Hi Brian, Great to meet You! Thank You! I'm honored and flattered. Our Goal is to keep it simple and make it work! I'm amazed how so many are so interested in what we originally thought was an esoteric topic. Stay tuned! Thanks for watching!
Gil, you are by far the most thoroughly informative and detailed tech guru I have found yet. How on Earth does your channel not have 50k+ subscribers? Btw, Gil, I am completely crazy with anticipation about the new AMD Threadripper Pro build I am sure you are going to make once the parts are available. I am seriously hoping you pick the Gigabyte motherboard as that is likely the one I will use eventually. I plan on using the new tech to finally give my wife 512GB+ RAM. May seem overkill to most but she does a lot of heavy statistical analyses on big data and until now has had to rely on university centralized supercomputer nodes shared with other researchers. Finally I will soon be able to build what she needs in a personal workstation computer. Super excited.
Hi Guapo Desperado, Thank You for Your Comments! I'm honored! Just answering Subscriber Questions! So much info and so little time! Trying to keep it simple and just hit the high points! Amazing Technology on the Desktop! Honest? I'm giddy about the WRX80! A Workstation to be reckoned with! Not overkill! Right now, that's as dense a RAM as we've seen. More of that to come as well! Stay tuned!
@@alextracythaxton5796 ha ha don't make me blush. Sadly with the current supply drought and crazy prices, I had to put her new build on hold for a bit, but still waiting on Gil to do his hopefully upcoming tutorial on his next build anyway before I dive into that Threadripper Pro build. I built my wife's current workstation (based on AMD 3900XT, Gigabyte Aorus board, and 128G RAM, running on Linux Mint) based in large part on a build Gil did and the specs for a build Linus Torvalds (developer of linux) made for himself. Scored some big points for that ha ha. Honestly, it was the first computer I built in nearly 15 years, so much has changed. Gil's videos were a huge help. I was ecstatic when I finished it and loaded Linux flawlessly on the first try. Now it has been crunching some serious statistics for about 18 months and running strong. Even maintains decent temps without liquid cooling, even with maxing out nearly all the RAM in the stats packages for days on end. I got double Noctua fans on the core and a Be Quite case with good airflow and multiple added Be Quite case fans. I can hardly wait to build her the new beast because once I do, I get the current one for audio-visual editing. Gil is the most thorough, in depth, and patient computer RUclipsr I know of. Truly slendid. The world needs more Gil Boyds. He definitely gave me confidence to jump back into computer building.
Hi Don Jon, I'm honored! Just sharing what I know by answering Subscriber Questions! Bringing my unique perspective to a complicated technology and trying to keep it simple so we can make it work! This is amazing technology for the Desktop trickling down from the Workstation platform. This is a blast! Glad You're enjoying the Video! More to come! Stay Tuned!
Hi Neo_182, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Always a new learning experience. As You well know, about the time We figure it all out, everything changes again and here We go again! Experience is the best teacher! Thanks for Watching!
After more than a month I could finally watch this amazing video till the end. It has 100 thumbs up. I'm giving a thumb up number 101. I only give thumbs up after I watch a complete video and if I really like it. So great job Gill! Once again! BTW This shows how I'm so much behind schedule in viewing entire videos. That's only because there's so much going in my life. Mostly bad things.
Appreciate You're Watching and Comments! I'm flattered! Sorry to hear You're having health problems. Think about good things and dwell on those thoughts. Anything You care to share? Blessings.
@@gillboyd2956 Thank You! I would like to share with All of You my comments in the NV Link video. To make it short: a blessing and a prayer for someone to the One and Only God is worth more than any amount of thank yous or money. I've seen it do small, medium and huge wonders for people. Give it a try, you would be just as surprised as I was. I thought my whole life that it's just cheap talk but it really works! The power of a prayer is just amazing!
Informative video. I can see why X79 was asked for. There is a lot of cheap mainboards coming out of China being able to use E5 Xeon chips and then you essentially have 40 PCI-E lanes per CPU. So if you want to build a cheap fast home server / NAS one of these boards is great. I have a cheap chinese board with Intel X99/C612 chipset with 3 16x 3.0 size slots (2x 16x and 1x 4x) that supports bifurcation and with these cards you can essentially run 8 NVME drives + 10Gbit NIC.
Hi Fred Thomas, Welcome! Thank You! I'm honored! Amazing how so many Motherboards are so poorly organized. Such as it is with Shared vs Dedicated PCIe Resources. Let's hope more Viewers will think about what they're getting before they make a purchase. Thanks for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments!
Hi Prithwijit De, Thank You! I'm honored! Wise man. Love your Family while You can. We don't know how alone we are until we lose the ones we love. Blessings.
Thank you just configure my ASUS HYPER V2 on a x570 Taichi, move the card to 1st x16 slot and had to manually configure the bios PCIe X16 switch in the bios to 4x4 and it works !
Thanks for the video Gill, I gave this review a well deserved like and subscribe! I bought the V2 card last year and was quite surprised by the noise of the small fan. Since I currently use it with a single nvme drive, I have decided to switch it off. Can the V2 drive be run without the cooling fan on when it is used with 4 nvme drives or will the four drives overheat?
Hi Edseltje, I'm honored! Thank You for Subscribing! Very Much Appreciated! We have Industrial Case Fans making more noise. Good question. We need to run thermals (Emissivity reading) on the card and see. The problem is getting the card and the FLIR Camera in the same parallel plane for a proper reading. We'll probably have to watch according to software which is a close approximation based on power. Thanks for Asking!
Hi PrincepsComitatus, Appreciate Your Comments! Outstanding! Thanks for Watching! Looks like we're going to have to do another Video just on RAID Types and Levels.
I came to the internet thinking I would not find the answers I sought, and, if I were to find them, it would not be from the same place. You made my assumption false. Excellent content 😎👍
Hi OpenSource Dev, Welcome! I'm honored! Highly Edited for Content and Time! We have several Videos on Installing, Configuring and Testing Performance of different X16 Quad cards plus Requirements all based on Subscribers Questions! Fascinating Topic! Thanks for Watching!
I appreciate the walkthrough. I just setup the ASUS card with 2 Samsung 980 Pro and 2 Sabrent Rocket 1st gen. 1TB x 4. I installed the Hyper Card and got the setup running as a non bootable drive. Once it is a valid mount point I use a disk imager to copy the OS to a the new drive. That way I do not have to reinstall windows. Windows installation is not too bad now but resetting all the Firewall rules, network config, programs and VMs etc is a little tedious. Worked Ok. I am getting: SEQ1M: Q8T1: 16200 MB/s R and 15200 MB/s W. 4GiB Transfer. Thanks again.
Hi Ricardo Viatruso, Excellent! Glad We could help You with that Information. Do You need a Link for a Self Bifurcated Add in card? This capability started with Intel X299 HEDT Chipset. Which has trickled down from the Server Platform. Bifurcation is here to stay! We just need more PCIe Resources!
Spent weeks trying to figure this out but thanks to gill I'm getting 7800mbps transfer rates! Thank you so much! You blow away guys like linus and jaystwocents thank you!
Hi@@lgonzalez1154, Got it! Glad We could help! Thanks for that clarification! Details matter! BTW: You are NOT alone. Based on Questions, We're seeing a lot of that detail step missed.
Hi Claus Bohm, Thank You! I'm honored! Always considered RAID to be an esoteric Subject. Not anymore! We're getting a lot of interest in RAID. And that's amazing! As Questions arise, We try to address those with possible Solutions! Thanks for Watching!
Asus x570-Plus. PCIE Bifurcation only works in pcie 16x1 slot. In bios find onboard device configuration- PCIEX16_1 Bandwidth PCIE with raid mode selected. This allows you to your m.2 expander up to 4. With a 1,3, 1,3,4, 1-4 placement.
Hi FunDumbMental, Welcome! Yes, 1 dedicated x16 Slot. That's a first! However, what happens to Your Video card? 1 x4 Slot. Thanks for Sharing! Asus Tuff Gaming x570-Plus www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS/
Hi LANDRY D., Thank You very much for Your Comments! I'm honored. Our Goal is to keep it Simple and make it work. Vendors could save a lot of RMAs if they would just Document their Products! Thanks for Watching! Here to help!
Gil, you are the most thoroughly informative and detailed tech guru I have found yet. I have a question. I'm running an ASUS Prime z590-a MoBo, i9-11900K @ 3.50GHz; I have a Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8 GB GPU with 2 monitors running. I have an Asus Hyper m.2 x16 gen 4 (PCIe 4.0/3.0 card) and want to run 4 Samsung 990 2TB m.2 cards. it shows 3 out of 4 cards in my disk management. How can I run all 4 m.2 cards and 2 monitors? or do I need to upgrade a few components.
Hello Rev. Warren Bonner, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! See Motherboard PDF Manual for: PCIe bifurcation & M.2 settings in PCIe x16 slots (from CPU). Bifurcation on x16_1 = 3 (x8+x4+x4). Therfore, 3 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives is all You're going to see with that Motherboard and Chipset combination. Bummer, right. I'm just the messenger! Hope that helps!
does plugging one of these into a ASUS Maximus Hero Z790 in slot two, cause any problems with using a RTX4090 in slot 1? is 8 lanes of PCI Express 5 enough for the 4090?
Hello Sams911, Welcome! Two different issues that must be separated to be understood. A Delineation of Specs. 1. Quad card requirements. A. 1 X16 Slot, PCIe 3.0 or above. Primary Slot. B. Bios Bifurcation from X16 to X4X4X4X4. Note: Lane speed is not relevant. Lane count remains constant from PCIe 3.0 through PCIe 5.0 for backwards compatibility. 2. Your GPU is only PCIe 4.0. The GPU no longer drives the PCIe Bus, M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives drive the PCIe Bus! Yes X8 should be adequate. However, Test and Verify. Your Results may vary. 3. The Z790 Chipset does not fully Bifurcate. You will only get X8X8. Therefore only 2 out of 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives would be seen on a Quad card. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for the response, I actually already have it set up. Everything is running amazingly well. I am most impressed with the cooling which was the bigger issue. I was concerned with with that card being so close to the 4090.
Hi spirit kgh, Welcome! Tell Us more about Your Motherboard Brand, Model and Chipset. From that We can determine if Your Motherboard Supports Bifurcation. And if You have the PCIe Resources for a Quad card.
@@BuildOrBuy i'm using 5600x. with msi b550 tomahawk and graphic card at first slot. i know b550 series don't support pcie bifurcation. so when i upgrade to x570, all 4 ssds ganna work? i don't care about speed that much. i just need around 1Gb/s/ssd or over. but capacity should over 4~ 5Tb.
Hi@@spirtkgh, That depends upon the Motherboard and the ability to Bifurcate a given slot. And that means full Bifurcation not just partial. Which Motherboard?
Hi NGK Alex Lazarev, Welcome! I'm honored! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! We have another M.2 NVMe card, JEYI iHyper-Pro to look at as requested by Subscriber! Arrived today! Stay tuned!
I have an SuperMicro X9DAi I'm trying to get a couple more years from. It supports Gen3 PCIe and bifurcation, there is also PCIe UEFI Option Rom selectability. You seem familar with SuperMicro Product line. What are the odds of booting NVMe from this rig and any caveats that you may be aware. Thanks
Hi Mêłōdïç Çâñçér, Nice to meet You! Musician? SuperMicro X9DAi, Short Answer, looks like it will work according to SuperMicro. Details below. On a PCIe card only, like this ASUS Hyper M.2 or Gigabyte Aorus M.2 Card. 7 Steps... 1.) Create Your Windows Installation Media from Windows Media Creation Tool. Note: Use USB Thumb Drive 32GBs or less. Windows Media Creation Tool will format USB Drive for FAT32. 2.) Bifurcate the Slot, If using a x8 Slot or more. 3.) Change Bios options from Bios to UEFI. No more backwards compatability. Save and Exit. Reboot. 4.) During Windows install, Press F11, Select UEFI: USB Device. 5.) During Windows Install, be prepared to load Drivers IF Booting Bios / UEFI RAID! NVMe RAID on an ASUS Hyper M.2 NVMe PCIe card is only possible if supported by Bios. Otherwise, as AHCI, Windows 10 should be good to go on a single Drive! 6.) Next Reboot - See Windows Boot Manager or change in Bios / UEFI to Boot from Windows Boot Manager. We have a Video on Windows Bootable RAID 0 as it pertains to this type of card. SuperMicro X9DAi Intel C602 Chipset (PCH A) www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/xeon/c600/x9dai.cfm Three (3) PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots (CPU1 Slot1/Slot3, CPU2 Slot5). No mention of VROC Chip. RAID indicated on SATA. One (1) PCI Express 3.0x4 slot (CPU1 Slot2). If You want NVMe RAID on that Motherboard, suggest a MegaRAID Card for NVMe M.2 Hardware RAID. A True hardware RAID card. SuperMicro X9Dai Boot from NVMe - Note: This is specific to Intel 750 NVMe PCI-E SSD. However, it should be generic. www.supermicro.com/support/faqs/faq.cfm?faq=21166 Another option since You can Boot NVMe but not RAID NVMe from Bios / UEFI, would be a single Drive on a single Slot. And since each NVMe only requires 4 PCIe Lanes, use that one PCI Express 3.0x4 slot (CPU1 Slot2). That would accomodate a Single NVMe Drive. And no Bifurcation required. Slick! Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE) amzn.to/2R6XjB5 As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. We never recommend this route due to management of PCIe Resources and now here You are the 2nd! Curious. All about best path to managing said Resources and Options. We will not know for certain, this works, until You try this out and verify! No substitute for experience. Research only gets Us started! Hope this helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Amazing information. Maybe you could help me, I currently have an Asus x570 Crosshair hero VIII, with 1TB M.2 Nvme Pcie 4.0 installed on the motherboard itself, I'm looking to upgrade my storage, and I would like to go with a 4TB nvme pcie 4.0 for now, but I would like to be able to get another one in the future, what would you recommend in order to make it work? This extra storage is not for the boot, I will keep my current 1TB for windows, the 4tb extra is for work. Hope you can help me. Again amazing video. Cheers.
Hi Mandonga, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments. This one and the other one on a different Video. Have read both of Your Comments. Working on Video response for possible Solutions. Options - Plural.
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks alot Gill, I just found your chanel a few days ago and I'm eating all the content, you have no idea how helpfull is this information, I can tell you are really passionate about the content. I will be waiting for the video if you end up doing it, if you need more info regarding my setup I'm happy to provide it. Thanks alot for this amazing videos. Cheers.
just want to say this channel is excellent, about 5 hours into trying to get this to work with my setup, currently got 4 980 saamsung running in passthrough not coming up in RST through pci controller, no VMD assign options on x299 tuf mrk I
Hello orkarma, Welcome. Thank You. Just now seeing Your comment. Were you able to get this working? X299 Chipset started this Bifurcation process in motion.
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for your reply, essentially no, it seems they really wanted you to buy a vraid key to get it working properly, then again I'm not using an official hyper card. in the end I just Frankenstein nvme into any slot available on the board and one in the pcie slot that doesn't got through PCH. in the bios on my board they don't call it bifurcation which is a pain. TBO I wanted to buy a vraid key but i can find any for a decent price anywhere, the prem one.
Hi@@orkarma, Yes. On some ASUS X299 Motherboards, VROC was deprecated for Intel RST for CPU RAID. The wording in your Motherboard manual makes it clear VROC is required for Intel RST. And only works with Intel M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. Most Curious. Goes to show how even that technology changed.
Yeh I got the drives to show up at one point but making a bootable array was seemingly impossible via 4x4x4x4, I will try again as its possible rst wasnt detecting the drives properly as they wouldn't show up in the rst manager on the bios via the bifurcation card. Possible they were in the wrong format to show up, strange though as was able to make a bootable array using the 3 slots on the board and a pcie adding card, just not via bifurcation.
Great videos. What's your opinion ... it's better to do RAID0 on NVME disks or RAID0 on Intel Optane 900p disks ? What do you think about the Intel VROC?
Hi Sony Sony, Nice to meet You! Great questions! Intel Optane is a Hybrid storage solution. Keep it simple! Q: What's the largest Intel Optane SSD? Q: Why has Intel discontinued Intel Optane on the Desktop? We're not a fan of anything proprietary. If You want RAID 0, there are 3 Options... Hardware RAID, Hybrid Bios RAID and O/S software RAID. An NVMe M.2 PCIe I/O Card is not a RAID card but can do a Hybrid Bios RAID if supported by Bios or an O/S software RAID as a Function of the O/S. Intel VROC, We should do another Video just on that. Virtual RAID On Chip pretty much sums it up. Defined as Pay more to Play. RAID 0 without and using any SSDs. With, using only Intel SSDs. VROC = proprietary. A real bummer and very annoying to Users! BTW: Also requires a 40 Lane CPU. FYI. All of that makes AMD, more cost effective. And we like being able to use any SSDs we choose! To reiterate, Keep it Simple! Hope that helps! Thanks for asking! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy so what aobut Intel® Optane™ SSD DC P5800X Series ? 1.6TB - PCIe 4.0 x4, NVMe - 4 pcie 4.0 disks in RAID0 on WRX80E-SAGE - it will go in benchmark around 25.000 MB/s ?
Hi@@SonySony-ng5tq , Theoretically, yes. We'd have to try it to verify. Remember, Specs are burst mode and not Sustained throughput. That much in RAID should be a Hardware RAID Card like a MegaRAID. A real test would require 2 Computers of same networked with Melanox cards and timed for a given amount of data. That would be a wicked test!
Starting to focus my attention on the Threadrippers per your comments on the video about now being the time to build a workstation socket. I've already got a 7950x and plan to pickup the new X3D on launch day but I'm still in my return period of my Crosshair Extreme and CPU. Looking like some fun potential with the threadrippers for me being mainly gaming
Hi Ryan Odneal, Welcome! We Focus on Building a Purpose Built Computer for Rendering. Sounds like an interesting proposition! Too bad the HEDT is not viable right now. Let Us know which direction You choose!
Hi Gil, i have the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2 with 4 m.2 SSDs installed on my Asus Prime X570-p Motherboard with a AMD 3700X CPU. However, in Bios it is now only detecting 2 drives. I had it configured to show 4 drives before, but i cannot get it back to that state. I am thinking the bios setting are wrong, but i have tried all types of settings. I did swap out the CPU to a AMD 5600G, but then realized that the G series only support 3 disks on my motherboard. So i put the original CPU back in, but now it only show 2 disks, not 4. What am i missing? Any hints much appreciated.
Hi Hurly D'souza, Welcome! Let's check! This might be easier in a Video but here goes... Asus Prime X570-P www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/PRIME/PRIME-X570-P/ PDF Motherboard Manual Page 8 - Specifications Summary CPUs... AMD Ryzen 5 5600G (Radeon Vega 7 Video) - 24 lanes of PCIe 3.0 - 6 Cores, 12 Threads www.amd.com/en/product/11176 AMD 3700X - 20 lanes of PCIe 4.0 - 8 Cores, 16 Threads www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x You went from a X16 Slot to a X8 Slot and back to a X16 Slot by changing the CPU. And You're only seeing 3 Drives. OK. Page 16 - Motherboard Layout PCIeX16_1 and PCIeX16_2. Page 66 - PCIeX16_1 Bandwidth Choose: PCIe RAID Mode - The ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 Quad card. ASUS Bifurcation chart: Search - Prime X570-P www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/ Based on Your CPU, not enough PCIe Lanes for Full Bifurcation to see 4 Drives based on Your CPU PCIe Lanes the way that lays out. Only seeing 3 Drives is confirmed. Whew! That was work! Always in the Details! Hope that helps!
Might be good to review how to restore the foreign drive for some people. Nice that the Asus board will work in a Gigabyte motherboard. But I think the Designare's included NVME drive card is better. IMHO. Waiting for your RAID configuration for that beast!
Hi Lee, Good to hear from You! You know You're absolutely right! Never take any of this for granted! OK. Done! Another Video! Agreed. You would be amazed how many Viewers are more interested in the ASUS M.2 AIC over the Gigabyte M.2 AIC. I'd say Awareness. ASUS has been doing M.2 Quad cards since x299. You have no idea how long I've been trying to get the RAID done. Since we Built the TRX40 Designare! BTW: DaVinci Resolve Studio License & Edit Panel have Shipped! Have tracking info! Another Video!
Hyper M.2 Card V2 works perfectly on my X79 Rampage IV Extreme in both Windows 10 and Linux (Manjaro). Needed a modded BIOS though, that you can find easily enough. Oh, there's a registry fix for X79 to make it PCI 3.0 for The Rampage IV.
Hi yorkyswe, Welcome! You are now 1 of maybe 3 in 4 years with this setup that We have come across. I'd say You have done well in making that Motherboard last this long! Congrats!
Great review! One question though. On X570, if put my Hyper m.2 V2 in my top PCIe 16_1 slot and my GPU in the 16_2 slot, would 4x4 bifurcation work? The compatibility chart makes it seem like it will (VIII Hero), but I would like to confirm.
Hi Jonathan Muller, Nice to meet You! Much Appreciated! Only 2 M.2 NVMe Drives will be recognized. Not enough PCIe Resources since those 2 Slots share PCIe Lanes. Bummer, right. 4x4 Bifurcation is just that, 2 Drives. Remember, each M.2 NVMe SSD Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. Hence 2 Drives = 1 - x8 Slot, electrically. And using both Slots, they both share PCIe Resources therefor by using both, each becomes x8. Real hassle! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much! Asus compatibly chart is not totally clear on this and makes it seem like it could work, but the reality is that it cannot. In theory, it seems as though it "could" work if I put my GPU in my 16_3 slot, but that in itself will cause issues, and I was hoping I would make this work with my current platform. But it looks as though I would need to move to a HEDT.
HI@@ultimatebikekid, Agreed. Vendors are obfuscating the details. And that makes what You want and should be able to do a real bummer. Hence, HEDT. And I'm a fan of the x570 Chipset, on paper. On implementation, not so much. Try the Video card in the 3rd Slot. You'll have the same Bandwidth as if Your video were on Thunderbolt 3. Something else to ponder! Thanks for Asking! I'm here if You need more Computer help!
@@BuildOrBuy My needs just drastically changed and I wanted to see if I could make it work, but I am understanding this a lot more thoroughly now that I am in the process. Again, huge thank you for responding to me!
Hi@@ultimatebikekid, Absolutely! Amazing how, many Channels do not respond to Comments. I don't get that. Stuff happens! Let Us know when You're ready to talk Chipsets. Thanks for Asking! Best Wishes!
Sir I can by far tell this is the most informative video I have ever seen in RUclips today. But quick question though can I boot from that asus m.2 adapter even if I have an older motherboard??
Hi Ian, Nice to meet You! Thank You for Your Comments! I'm humbled. Depends. With this type of M.2 NVMe card, You must have Bios support to Boot. Other option would be to get a self Bifurcated card with Boot PLX chip. Those are in the $300.00 range. What's Your Motherboard Brand and Model. Be happy to look it up and check.
@@BuildOrBuy I have an h87m d3h sir. Unfortunately my main pcie x16 3.0 is occupied with a GPU. My other x16 is 2.0 and its only running at x4 speed. Unfortunately I cant find any alternative method to boot from an NVME drive if I use an adapter without modify the BIOS. I really dont want to modify the BIOS it could breaky my system.
Hi@@iangabrielalcantara7756, Thank You very Much! Really Appreciate your Comments! Agreed, a Modded Bios is dangerous! You can easily brick a Motherboard even using the correct Bios. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Unfortunately, that Motherboard is too old for this new Technology. Gigabyte GA-H87M-D3H (rev. 1.x), according to Amazon, June 4, 2013. www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-H87M-D3H-rev-1x#ov We need to talk about Chipsets when you're ready! Think about it. You've been running that Computer since Windows 7. That's been a while. You're due for an Upgrade! I can show You a self Bifurcated Bootable M.2 NVMe card by High Point but it requires (1) x16 PCIe 3.0 Slot. That's in the $300.00 range in USA.
@@BuildOrBuy Oh okay sir thanks again. I am actually planning over to build my next rig. I found some decent Chinese motherboard like Huananzhi x99. That motherboard has m.2 nvme slot so I think I wont need this adapter anymore if I go to that upgrade path. Thanks again sir keep making detailed and informative videos for various tech solutions. Godspeed sir
Hi@@iangabrielalcantara7756, You are most Welcome! Consider a HEDT like an x299 or x399. Don't go any lower than the x570 Chipset. Definitely! Thank You for Watching! Stay tuned! Blessings!
Great Video. I have a Asus z390 gaming motherboard. I did see support for "Hyper M.2 in the motherboard. So, Question, for none raid setup, do you think this card is worth to try and will it work?
Hi Terry Griffin, Welcome! Not really. Why? Not enough CPU PCIe Lanes! You would be removing CPU Lanes from Your GPU. There are 9 variations of that Motherboard. You can verify Your Motherboard Version on the ASUS Bifurcation Chart below and see those Results. www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/ Next issue, Restrictions: 2. For Z390 series Motherboard, install IRST version 16 or above to use RAID on CPU function. Only Intel SSDs can activate Intel RAID on CPU function in Intel platform. Hope that helps! Intel made that technology way more complicated and convoluted than it should have been! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for you reply. So if I wanted to add 2 more M.2 nmve drives, I am not planning on doing RAID. I will be for storing and playing my VST in Cubase. What do you suggest?I have 2 m.2 already. 1-boot drive, the other 2 T storage.Both are on the on-board m.2 slots. I have a AMD Radeon VII in the PCI-E slot for the GPU. Any suggestions will be a great help. I am lost on what to buy
Hi@@terrygriffin5201, Understandable. That's why We do Motherboard Overviews regarding Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations. Every Motherboard is different. Which Motherboard and CPU do You have? We have to look at the Specs and Compare, Design to Implementation. Your GPU will end up in a X8 Slot due to Shared PCIe Resources. And this has nothing to do with RAID. We have several Videos Outlining what You're asking. After We look at Your Specifics You'll have possibly two options. A Bios Bifurcated AIC such as You're asking about. Or a Self Bifurcated AIC. A Bios Bifurcated AIC is the least expensive option. BTW: Did You look at the ASUS Bifurcation Chart? That Chart will show You what's possible on Your Motherboard.
@@BuildOrBuy Greetings, and thanks for your reply. I have watched all of your content on this subject. I also looked at the chart on Asus' website regarding M.2 storage options and I am very familiar with the Z390-F Gaming motherboard by Asus, which I mentioned in the originally post. I know that it will bump the lanes for the AMD GPU down to x8 when I enable the Hyper m.2 option from the BIOS. I am not tied to just using the Asus Hyper M.2 card. I just want to look at my options in adding 2 more m.2 for my virtual instruments. Any thoughts specifically on adding M.2 as mentioned on this motherboard before I spend money. Thank you in advance for your knowledge
Hi@@terrygriffin5201, To reiterate each of the 9 versions are different. Specifying ASUS Z390-F Gaming helps immensely! Without digging Since You understand Lane allocations and Bifurcation, You have several Options. All You want is JBOD! No RAID! Not Hardware nor Software RAID! 1. Bios Bifurcation AIC 2. Self Bifurcated AIC The ASUS Quad card is of the Bios Bifurcated type. And the most prevalent. And least expensive way to ADD M.2 NVMe PCIe Storage. Motherboard Manual Page 24 to reiterate Specifies Intel M.2 NVMe only! According to Your Intel Chipset, PCIEX16_1 would see 3 Drives. In postions 1, 3 & 4. Hence X8+X4+X4. PCIEX16_2 would see 2 Drives. In positions 1 & 2. Hence X4+X4. Verify using ASUS Bifurcation Chart. If You want to use any Brand of M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives then You will NOT have a Bios Bootable Drive. Just FYI. Just JBOD! PCIeX16_3 slot shares bandwidth with SATA6G_56. The PCIeX16_3 is set at x2 mode by default. The Advantage of a Self Bifurcated AIC would be 4 Drives. Since You only want to ADD 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives, Bios Bifurcated AIC is Your Best option hence the ASUS Hyper Quad M.2 NVMe PCIe AIC. Keep the Motherboard and Quad card same brand otherwise if You ever Contact ASUS Tech support that will Eliminate a potential problem in their minds. The 1st step is installing the card with 2 Drives. Once the Slot is configured and seen by the Bios, then proceed to Windows Disk Management to Initialize and Format. To reiterate, set Slot Configuration. Reboot. SEE Slot Configuration and verify in Bios seeing those 2 additional Drives! BIOS must see those Drives before the O/S does! That should work! Intel Z390 Chipset www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/133293/intel-z390-chipset/specifications.html Intel RST is for RAID and You're not doing RAID! JBOD! BTW: Since You only want to see 2 Drives and since You have full Bifurcation on that 2nd Slot, You could use the Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter. However, no Heatsinks! Therfore suggest stick with the ASUS Hyper Quad M.2 NVMe PCIe AIC. Keep it Simple! Lots of Conversations to keep up with! We try! Appreciate Your Patience! Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! All about the Music! Especially for Virtual Instruments!
Hello. I just wanted to say thanks for your video. You do talk alot lol but your straight to the point and explain everything well. I have one of the hyper cards on the way but with your instructions I was able to install a generic 4 slot nvme card and get x four 2tb cards working. I do have a question though. I have 3 PCIe x16 slots. One is taken up by my video card. Another taken up by this generic x4 nvme card. Am I able to install the Hyper m.2 aswell taking up the last port? Or will that create bottle necks in my pc?
Hi@@daneayers7483, The X299 started this capability to Bifurcate a PCIe Slot with PCIe 3.0. ASUS X299 Tuff Mark 2 www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/others/tuf-x299-mark-2/ With 44 Lane CPU 1. X16 - PCIEX16_1 2. X16 - PCIEX16_2 3. X8 - PCIEX16_3 4. PCIEX4_1 max. at x2 mode 5. X1 The last X16 Slot, mechanically but only X8, electrically. To reiterate, You only have 2 X16 Slots, electrically. In that 3rd X16 Slot, Bifurcated, You'll see 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives on a Quad card. For more PCIe Resources, You'll have to go from HEDT to Workstation. Hope that helps!
@BuildOrBuy Hello. Sorry I didn't see your msg. Bifurcate isn't in my bios I can see anywhere. So only 2 hd will be visible in the 3rd lane with a 4 slot card. Is it possible to just have 2 hd installed into the 4 card slots or does it need all 5 to work? I suppose I can just take 2 out and see
Great videos on the Hyper M.2 cards! I have been looking to find good info on them and your explanations are excellent. Thank you. I have a couple of questions regarding a build I’m looking to do with a Hyper M.2 Gen 4 card. I’m looking to build a computer using an AMD 5900x or 5800x CPU, an ASUS Strix X570-E or ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero or Formula motherboard, and an ASUS Hyper M.2 Gen 4 card populated with two 0.5 TB NVMe drives and two 2.0 TB NVMe drives (all Western Digital PCIe 4.0 SN850’s). In order to do this, I realize that the Hyper M.2 card will need to be installed in the PCIEX16_1 slot bifurcated x4, x4, x4, x4. I think that ASUS must have released a BIOS update for these motherboards in the last few days as the latest Hyper M.2 Gen 4 compatibility document (www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/) now shows up to 4 drives being supported in slot 1 for these motherboards, implying that bifurcation is now possible in that slot. Am I correct about this? Will I be able to get four NVMe drives on a Hyper M.2 board in that slot? I understand that I will need to leave slot PCIEX16_2 empty (so that slot PCIEX16_1 gets all 16 PCIe lanes) which means that since I am using a 5000 series cpu, I will have to put my video card, a GeForce GT 1030 based card requiring 4 PCIe lanes, in slot PCIEX16_3. Is there any reason the video card won’t work in the chipset based, 4 lane PCIEX16_3 slot? Assuming the above works, I’d like to use RAID 1 mirroring on the 0.5 TB and 2.0 TB NVMe drive pairs with the 0.5 TB volume being my boot drive. Will RAID 1 be supported in this configuration and be bootable? Do you recommend hardware-based RAID 1 via the BIOS or Windows based RAID 1? I would just like to know that this configuration will work before I start buying parts as I am new to these technologies, although it is not my first computer build. Any guidance / info / confirmation you can provide is much appreciated!
Hi Chris Wilson, Welcome! Nice to meet You! Thank You for Your Comments! My first concern would be that last x16 Slot. Do You actually get 4 PCIe Lanes? A possible shared Resource, just FYI. Otherwise, If OK, good to go! Video card should be OK. We have not tried it but no reason for that NOT to work on any of those 3 Motherboards. More a matter of PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0. A Hybrid Bios RAID anything is bootable, yes! We're going to have to do another Video about RAID Types and RAID Levels. Of the 3 types of RAID, Hardware RAID, Hybrid Bios RAID and O/S Software RAID, the Hybrid Bios RAID is the only one we've had fail. Ever have a RAID Fail? Any RAID should exist in 3 places. Experience! With that being said... The best option for RAID is a Hardware RAID like a MegaRAID card. Of the other 2 types of which are Your only options in this Configuration, if You want Bootable, Hybrid Bios RAID. If You don't mind a tad bit slower but safer, O/S Windows RAID. I would suggest aiming higher for a HEDT, x399, TRX40 or WRX80 Build. Why? PCIe Resource allocation. Meaning, no Shared PCIe Resources! 1.) ASUS Strix X570-E - PCIe 4.0 x16_3 Slot shares bandwidth with PCIe x1_2. rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-model/ 2.) ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero X570 - PCIe 3.0 x4 Slot on Chipset. Does not appeared to be shared. rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-dark-hero-model/ 3.) ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Formula X570 - PCIe 4.0 x4 Slot on Chipset. Does not appeared to be shared. rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-formula-model/ Note: Two of those Motherboards have 3rd Slot on PCIe 4.0. Whereas one is PCIe 3.0 if that matters according to the PDF documentation. Based on that one feature alone, I'd go with the ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Formula X570. All 3 will Bifurcate the 1 x16 Slot. Hope that helps! BTW: Your message just showed up today or else I would have answered sooner! RUclips did not send an email message nor did Your message show up, until today, in the Channel Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the response! No worries about the delay, I didn't get notified of your reply either. So I kept researching my questions and pulled the trigger on my purchases before I got your response because I was able to snag an AMD 5950X cpu and an ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero motherboard. Lucky me. I put the ASUS Hyper M.2 Gen 4 card in slot PCIEX_1, bifurcated x4x4x4x4, and put four Western Digital SN850's in the card. Slot PCIEX-2 was left empty. My Geforce GT1030 video card was installed in PCIEX_3. Motherboard M.2 sockets were left empty. After booting into the BIOS I was able to configure two RAID 1 mirror arrays, install Windows 10 and boot from one of them. So it works exactly as I had hoped. BTW, your video on Windows Bootable NVMe RAID 0 Tutorial on Gigabyte TRX40... (ruclips.net/video/U-KBgEXrWLA/видео.html) was invaluable for getting Windows loaded with the proper drivers installed. Couldn't have done it without this guidance! Thanks again ! Well done!
Hi@@chriswilson8300, I think RUclips is having a glitch. Just now found Your message. The 2 different Channel Views are not showing the same information. Odd. Sorry for not answering sooner! AMD 5950X, 16 Cores - Good choice! Very lucky! Scare as hens teeth right now! Perfect! Success! Thanks for sharing! Appreciate Your Support!
So none of these cards will work with the MSI MEG ACE x570 motherboard which holds 3 M2 SSD, and I wanted to add another 4 with this but I don't see it MSI at all in the list
Hi Edwin Gonzalez, Welcome! There are two types of M.2 NVMe x16 PCIe Add in cards. 1. Those like this one that require Motherboard Bifurcation. 2. Those that are Self Bifurcated. In other words, they have a PLX chip that does the Lane Switching for the M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives. That's why We talk about different Chipsets and their respective capabilities or limitations due to limited PCIe Resources such as You have on Your Motherboard. You require a Self Bifurcated M.2 NVMe x16 PCIe Add in card. Glotrends Sky. We have a Video on that here: ruclips.net/video/QF71-5nhrAk/видео.html Link in Video Description for Product. Hope that helps!
Good job. Hopefully someone who has had problems with this card or Gigabyte's version can finally get their system working. The manuals for these cards are terrible and don't go into explaining bifurcation. Seems to me that is the root cause of why so many people have had problems with them. Rule #1 , never trust anything to "auto" in the BIOS to ALWAYS work.. a little research does wonders. Thanks again.
Hi John Smith, Agreed. Too much taken for granted. Most Documentation for this is abysmal to say the least. We're working on Our Windows RAID Tutorial video right now and we'll share peculiarities encountered using both PCIe 3.0 and PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe cards in RAID 0 and RAID Volume (JBOD). This next video should do two things. 1. Simplify the How To process. 2. Identify key areas where Installing Windows RAID can fail and how to resolve those issues. Simple! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! Stay tuned!
Hi! Amazing video with lots of useful information, and very well explained! Congratularions. I have a question though: How can I make sure my motherboard (Aorus Z390 Ultra with i7-9900k) will support this piece of hardware (V2 version)? My idea is to populate it with 4x WD SN850 NVMe drives. Motherboard supports Intel IRST feature apparently. Ideally I would like to set those drives as a Raid 1 of 2x 2TB disks set as JBOD. Is that possible? I mean, "merge 2x 2TB disks into one JBOD, and make it Raid with the other pair of sticks. Thank you so much for your input!
Hi Laurens Velasco Welcome! This really requires a video response, give me some time. My Allergies have been giving me fits! In the mean time, I don't think You have enough PCIe Resources to go around. I'll explain in my response as We look at the Problems and Solutions.
@@BuildOrBuy This are the specs of my MoBo, anthough the Bios detects PCI-e 3.0 @ 8x / 8x when plugged into Pciex8, or x4 x4 when plugged into PCIEX4. Never got windows to recognise more than 1 disk :( If my MoBo would not support this card, which alternative would you suggest? Maybe OWC Accelsior? Or rather replacing the motherboard instead? Thank you! Expansion Slots 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16) * For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x8 (PCIEX8) * The PCIEX8 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot. When the PCIEX8 slot is populated, the PCIEX16 slot operates at up to x8 mode. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4) * The PCIEX4 slot shares bandwidth with the M2P connector. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x2 mode when a PCIe SSD is installed in the M2P connector. 3 x PCI Express x1 slots (All of the PCI Express slots conform to PCI Express 3.0 standard.) 1 x M.2 Socket 1 connector for an Intel® CNVi wireless module only (CNVI)
@@BuildOrBuy The final plot destination drives 16-18TB only get written to once, so there is no issue there but the demand has obscenely raised prices over the last 60days. The cheap NVME's people were using to plot were literally burning up. Old NVME's were not made for constant writes, reads, erase, writes, etc. Naturally, because of this, there is a HUGE run on enterprise-class SSD's and NVME's with 3000+ TBW ratings. The Samsung 970 & 980 PRO's, for instance, are selling like hotcakes and the new SP Silicone power sticks which are more affordable sell out as soon as they're put on the market. It's a madhouse of TMP storage buying right now. The PCIE4.0 Gen4 NVME X4 is also sold out everywhere so people are buying the Asus B550 Mobo's with that card bundled for $300+ just so they can pull the card out of it.
Hi@@JoeVSvolcano, Thanks for Sharing Your insight and experience. Appreciate that clarification. What about the GPUs? What have You heard? We have another M.2 NVMe AIC coming! From China. The Vendor on Amazon supplying the AIC was having trouble sourcing chips. Curious to know how well it performs compared to the Gigabyte and ASUS M.2 AICs. The JEYI iHyper-Pro M.2 X16 to 4X PCIE 4.0 GEN4. One of Our Subscribers was asking about it. Never heard of it until they asked. Stay tuned!
Hi l'illustre, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comment! Excellent Question! Since there is no bridge chip or translation / interface chip, the M.2 NVMe Add in cards should accept the maximum capacity which is currently 8TBs from Corsair, Sabrent or VisionTek. Highpoint has the largest Capacity M.2 NVMe Add in card with 8 M.2 NVMe Drives. BTW: The NVMe standard has a theoretical maximum storage capacity of 75.2 ZB. Whew! We have a ways to go! Now that's a wild amount of storage capacity! Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
Hi Worthington, Welcome! Once lost, never found! Be Forewarned! Newer Motherboards are no longer using those detachable screws opting for a twist mechanism! But alas, as long as there are Quad cards, We will still have those tiny pesky screws to persist! Patience is the order of the day during assembly! Appreciate Your Comments!
The information density of your videos are great! Could you finised the "how to restore the foreign drive" video what you mentioned on this video? I could not find it. PS: I am bulding first HEDT and your video is extremly helpfull! Thank You! -3975wx -ASUS® Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE -RTX 3090
Hi UNKNOWN, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! In the works! On the short List! Thunderbolt 4 and the WRX80 took center stage for the moment! Thanks for Asking! Appreciate your patience! Outstanding! Welcome to the HEDT Platform! Smart Choice! All the way around! Fantastic GPU! Which one? 3 Slot? Do You have Your PSU? This is exciting news! And keep Us posted on Your Progress! We have a Premiere tomorrow for the Gigabyte Aorus M.2 vs the ASUS Hyper x16 M.2 NVMe AICs - Speed and Heat Test. Both are PCIe 4.0. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy For PSU: CORSAIR 1600W PRO GPU: ZOTAC RTX 309 It is a prebuild. I am living in Germany and the rtx 3090 prices are crazy high +3000€ In this setup I will get for 1900€. I find it a great deal. I do buy some parts separatelly, because those are cheaper. The whole config is -8510€ 3975WX prebuild CONFIG -6150 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 2TB -370 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 2TB -370 Samsung 980 Pro M.2 1TB -170 HYPER M.2 X16 GEN 4 CARD -82 Kingston 256GB -1 368 The system will be dual boot Win + Linux Win for all around Linux for Davinci
Great video. Do you know if it's possible to bifurcate one of the 8x slots on the Designare into two 4x slots? Would like to run the GC-Titan Ridge card and a 10 gig NIC from the same slot. This because many new GPUs are so wide that they block one of the 8x slots, as highlighted in one of your earlier videos. Splitting those 8x slots could also allow more CPU direct NVME SSDs. As the Thunderbolt card is only 4x, and wastes half of the provided lanes.
Hi Michael V, Interesting Question. Crazy right? Glad You've asked. You make a very valid point about PCIe Resources. Only one Add in card (AIC) per Slot even if Bifurcated. There's more signaling going on the PCIe Bus than just Bifurcation for Slot and Lane assignment. There are Riser Cables. Successful on PCIe 3.0. Rare right now on PCIe 4.0 that would give Us access to a Slot otherwise blocked. Crazy stuff going on when You think about it. Amazing how changing one thing can change everything! When we Test the Capture and Streaming cards, that too will drive home that fact about a x 4 card in an x8 Slot. We just need more Slots! PCIe 5.0 may be the game changer for that problem. Some of these problems now, the only way to deal with is to have 2 Computers simply because we don't have enough PCIe Resources! Hence the WRX80 for now with 7 PCIe 4.0 x16 Slots! Coming in March 2021! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy Yes, am going to try a riser cable to claw back that blocked slot. But there are 16x PCIe riser cards that turn a 16x into 4 4x PCIe slots, or 2 8x Slots. Most are designed for enterprise use or for crypto mining rigs, but since the TRX40 boards support bifurcation in bios, suspect they may indeed work to allow up to 4 4x PCIe cards on the TRX40's 2 8x slots.
Hi@@Trevellian, Yes! We've seen those. 1.) The Mounting. 2.) PCIe 4.0. Those still seem to be flaky. Solid for PCIe 3.0. Keep Us posted on Your Progress. Especially when You come across one that works consistently on PCIe 4.0 and the Mount! In time. I would suspect this might be easier to do on the WRX80 due to being a Workstation class Motherboard. We'll be on the lookout too!
@@BuildOrBuy For now, will only focus on PCIe 3.0, as both the Titan Ridge card and 10 gig NICs are all PCIe 3.0, as are most other PCIe cards. Mounting could be a hack unless one of the vertical GPU mounts will suffice. But the Titan Ridge and NICs are small, lightweight cards. Some industrial velcro should keep them in place.
Hi@@Trevellian, Agreed. Man with a mission! Since You know what You're doing, I'll double check Bios tomorrow and let You know. On smartphone right now. This should be an interesting Build with velcro!
Ive been really irritated with these cards . the gen 4 calls itself RAID ON CHIP , ive been looking for days for how to get into the web face gui , am i understanding there is no gui to set up the raid at the hardware level ?
Hi NerdLabs 001, Intel VROC giving You fits? RAID has to be setup from the Bios. Hybrid Bios RAID. Intel VROC has very specific parameters to deal with. Need help? Tell Us about Your Motherboard Model and CPU. We'll look it up and see what We can make of it! Hope that helps!
Hello sir its great video i have Asus Tuf X570 Gaming with amd 3900x if i buy Asus, Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2 GEN 4 can i use 4 difrents NWME m2 ssd on second PCI slot or i have to change GPU to second PCı than this card put to FİRst PCi slot? which Method is works on x570? thank you
Hi Jaydee Joy, Nice To meet You! Thank You for Your Comments! Asus Tuf X570 Gaming www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS/specifications/ 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 mode - electrically) 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (max at x4 mode - electrically) You'll have to install the Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2 GEN 4 (PCIe 4.0) in 1st and only x16 Slot - x16 Electrically and Mechanically. Video card will would have to go in 2nd x16 Slot. 2nd x16 Slot is only x4 electrically although mechanically x16. And in that Configuration, You would see all 4 M.2 NVMe Drives. Hope that helps!
@@BananaBeach519 Yes. From x16 to x4. Depends upon what You're doing with Your RTX 2070. Test and verify to see if You notice any performance degradations. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Yes Sir i ll test Gpu with second PCI before buy Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2 GEN 4. just rendering and game. thank you. and i m gonna buy CRX4 Speaker after your video.
and Sir i am asking to much question sorry for this i found in amazon i think its Gen 3 (Asus Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2 ) this card can work 2nd PCi slot with 4 nvme(gen3) thank you
Dear SIR , Thank you for your exceptionally informative video. I apologize in advance , if this has been asked again and again. I own an ASUS X99 Deluxe II motherboard PCI 3.0 ..... Is the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2 compatible with my own motherboard. I cannot find any information on that. I Truly appreciate your time.
Hi Hollwood-Wedding-Films.com, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Solving Problems and Providing Solutions! Your Motherboard does not Support Bios Bifurcation. Options: 1. Get a Bios Mod. Travel at Your own risk! Your Results may vary! 2. Use a Self Bifurcated card. Need a List? 3. New Build. Newer Motherboard. That's OK. You Ask, We Answer! Hope that helps!
I have new x299 asus mobo, 48 lane cpu 10980xe, and with rtx3090 in slot 1, and Hyper M2 v2 in slot 3 I get only 8x (2x m2 drives) instead of 4x M2. Slot 2 disabled, why no 16x in slot 3 ? However, if I install in slot 2 (anabled) I get 4xm2 16x, bit not in slot 3. I did a stripped 4x 1tb m2 for virtual RAID 0 and I get 13000/13000 ! (Slot 2).
Hi VideoByPatrick, Your Motherboard: Asus x299 Prime Deluxe II with Thunderbolt 3 - Nice Motherboard! amzn.to/3iPRPov www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-x299-deluxe-ii/ 48 Lane CPU - 3 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16, x16/x16, x16/x16/x8) According to Your PCIe Resources, PCIex16_1 = x16 Electrically. PCIex16_2 = x16 Electrically. PCIex16_3 = x8 Electrically. Which RTX 3090? How many Slots Wide? More than 3 1/2 Slots Wide? Hope that helps! Details matter! Thanks for Asking!
Great video ! bought this after seeing this. I do have an issue tho that I don't find the answer for so I hope you can help. I have 2 NVMe drives with the V2 of this card. the drives just don't show up in the BIOS ? they do show up in Windows. Now I cannot set those drives in RAID. Any ideas what I should do? Using an Asus PRIME x399-A with a Treadripper 2970WX, slot is set to Bifurcation (used a 16 lane slot) so that all seem to be fine , just not seeing them in BIOS is weird
Hi J B, Welcome! Thank You very much for Your Comments! Then see in Bios under Boot Devices. In RAID if doing Hybrid Bios RAID. Agreed, M.2 NVMe Drives don't show up like SATA does. Which RAID are You trying to do? Hybrid Bios RAID or Windows RAID? Are You trying to do a Windows Bootable RAID? Details matter! We have two other Videos that might help on this - Windows Bootable RAID and Non typical RAID. Let me know, here to help! Just need clarification!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the quick response! I'm pretty new to RAID so I just wanted to add those drives together in RAID 0 for the combined storage and speed. But because they did not show up in BIOS I tought something was wrong. I have a different m.2 with my WIndows OS installed (that one does show up in BIOS) so I do not need a bootable RAID
Hi Ricardo Viatruso, Welcome! I'm honored! Thank You for Your Comments! Bifurcation usually presents a problem for most Consumer Desktop Motherboards. We always have to check and verify every Motherboard asked about.
I hope you can answer this question if you want to. I've got a Hyper x16 V2 installed with two m.2 nvme drives installed. I'm running an Asus z370 motherboard. I feel like I could swap out the V2 card for a Gen 4, and the Intel chipset would still recognize the upgraded card without having to install new Hyper x16 Gen 4 drivers.
Hi William Blake, Welcome! Excellent Question! Here to help! You're only capable of what Your Chipsets allows. Meaning? You Motherboard Chipset is z370. That's PCIe 3.0. To utilize PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe Drives requires a Motherboard Chipset that supports that Spec. To reiterate, if You want PCIe 4.0, get a Motherboard that supports PCIe 4.0. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
I have the Asus Dark Hero VIII x570 board, 5900X cpu, and a 3090 FE card. So is there anyways I can run my 3090 FE card @ x16 speed and still have a Hyper M.2 card with all 4 SSDs? I'm guessing the answer is NO, but I just want to clarify it with you.
Hi Viett, Unfortunately, You have the same problem as other x750 Motherboards face. Not enough PCIe Lanes! You need a HEDT like the TRX40 for those PCIe Lanes. Asus Dark Hero VIII x570 board rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-dark-hero-model/spec To the CPU - 2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) Though the Chipset - 1 x PCIe 4.0 x4 - 1 x PCIe 4.0 x1 Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Hi Alex & Tracy Thaxton, We have created several Videos about the different Quad x16 M.2 NVMe PCIe Add in cards, Dual M.2 NVMe Adapters and of course the 6 Drive Amfeltec Add in card. Amazing Reponses to what We thought would be an esoteric subject, in the beginning! Not at all! Our first Video on this Topic with a Quad x16 M.2 NVMe PCIe and x399 Chipset has over 100k Views! Appreciate Your Support! ASUS Hyper M2 X16 NVMe Quad card plus four Samsung 970s - AMD NVMe RAID 0 Upgrade ruclips.net/video/x5G-zciner4/видео.html Enjoy!
Hi Alex Ellington, RAID can do three things. 1. Aggregate Drives for Capacity. 2. Enhance Speed. 3. Redundancy of Data if so configured but no one does anymore! Currently the largest M.2 NVMe Drive is 8TBs. 8TBs x 4 = 32TBs or just under that due to overhead. Depends upon the Project. There are 3 types of RAID. 1. Hardware. 2. Software. And that can be broken down to either a Hybrid Bios Bootable RAID (Faster) or OS RAID (Slower but easier to deal with). Anyone who really needs RAID should be looking and waiting for Hardware RAID. These Quad Adapters are like JBOD, Just a Bunch of Disks if You need it and everyone seems to want it! By default an I/O Card. With Bios support, RAID. But I question if they need it. Depends. VMs, Databases, etc. Rendering, no. Rendering is about Processing Power! Great Question! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much for taking the time out to answer my question. Let me be more specific: is there any performance enhancement or degradation running a single m.2 direct-to-CPU on the motherboard as opposed to running on a PCI-E riser card? Or are they the same?
HI@@fade2black244, Absolutely! We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions! Now that's a bit different. First, M.2 NVMe direct to CPU is the fastest. Second would be on a PCIe Slot to the CPU. Third would be through the Chipset. Different yes. Noticeable, no. The greatest difference would be in RAID. The fastest would be whatever the Slowest is capable of. A chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Primary, Stick to the M.2 NVMe to CPU! Hope that helps!
HP Z8 G4 workstation: 16X pci 3.0 supports bifurcation in the bios. Would the V2 card work? If so what are the fastest M.2 NVMe choice? Thanks so much!
Hi@@JensonRiley-i5q, Welcome. Your Chipset will be the fastest an M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive can perform. Larger cache will help. V2 card, same issue. Your lowest common denominator is your Motherboard Chipset. Get an M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive that meets your price performance ratio. Larger M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives tend to perform better than the smaller Drives. What capacity M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive are you going to utilize?
i want one of these in my spare pcie slot (16) intel z490 motherboard lga 1200 socket haven't found out if it supports bifurcation thanks for the upload
Hi PokemonCrystal, Thank You for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments! The definitive source, is here below from ASUS. That being said, on an ASUS z490 Motherboard, the most You might see would be 3 PCIe M.2 NVMe SSD Drives, but not all 4. The z490 Chipset does not have enough PCIe Resources. Any other brand of Motherboard would require a Bios Update or Bios Mod. ASUS has done more than any other Manufacturer to make this technology work with their Motherboards. www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 We suggest using the Glotrends Sky card. Video here: ruclips.net/video/QF71-5nhrAk/видео.html Self Bifurcating. Requires 1 x8 Slot, electrically. For PCIe 3.0. There currently are NOT any PCIe 4.0 M.2 Quad cards for PCIe 4.0, self Bifurcating that requires 1 x8 Slot. They are all currently requiring 1 x16 Slot. And if You had a x16 Slot, You would not need a self Bifurcating card. A conundrum or an enigma. Go figure. Sometimes I wonder what Vendors are thinking. It's like they did not think things through.
Hi BSDas, Welcome! Doubtful. Dell T7910, 5th Generation. "Intel Optane memory is a system acceleration solution for 7th Generation Intel Core Processor-based platforms or later," Bummer! Intel Optane Memory: Before You Buy, Key Requirements www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000023994/memory-and-storage/intel-optane-memory.html Hope that helps!
hi i have a Asus x79-deluxe will one work manuel says 3 x pci express 3.0 x 16 (www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/X79DELUXE/HelpDesk_Manual/ page 8 thanks link please
Hi Popsvlog, Wow! Just now seeing Your Comment! RUclips never informed Us! I'm seeing this through the RUclips Dashboard! Are You asking about the PCIe Resources on Your Motherboard to utilize an ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Quad AIC? Your Motherboard does not support PCIe Bifurcation in the Bios / UEFI. Your Options: 1. You would need a self Bifurcated AIC. 2. Otherwise, You would need a Bios Mod. We do not do that nor do We recommend that. A Bios Mod on that Chipset means PCIe Resources would have to be reallocated. In other words taken away from something so You could have Bios Bifurcation. Hope that helps! Sorry for not responding sooner! Thanks for Asking!
thanks for the video man! i have an old dell t5610. i use ssd right now but my disk always at 100% when doing simulation in solidworks. i know i can't use m.2 for boot for this device but i found a way using clover. i'm curious can i use this card doing 0-1 raid array?
Hello Man Ray, Welcome! Good Question! Yes, IF Your Motherboard Supported Bifurcation but it does not therefor You can not unless You try a Bios Mod. Depends upon Chipset and if You're willing to try. X79 Chipset? Guessing. You'll have to look to Verify Chipset. A Bios Mod would allow a reallocation of CPU PCIe Lanes on an older Chipset. Be careful! Even a legit Bios Update can brick a Motherboard! Your Results may vary. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy well it doesn't work, i think i need a card with bifurcation. do you have any alternative beside sonnet that do well with raid 0-1? thank you sir
Hi@@manray8513, Ok. According to Dell, PCIe 3.0. Good. Slot 2 and Slot 4 are X16, electrically. Also good. Options below. 1. HighPoint Technologies Highpoint SSD7105 - PCIe 3.0 x16 Fully Bootable 4-Port M.2 NVMe amzn.to/3IGFYXl This card above is Bootable. 2. Glotrends Sky 4-Bay M.2 NVME Adapter, Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard, Soft RAID, PCIE 3.0 X8 Bandwidth, Full Aluminum Panel with Built-in Fan (Sky) amzn.to/45yw5VD As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! Glotrends Sky is unique in that it works in a X8 PCIe Slot, electrically. Your Slot1 is PCIe X8. And is Bootable. Hope that helps!
Hi Nikolai, Welcome. Appreciate your comment. Great idea if your Motherboard supports Bios Bifurcation and has a X16 Slot with 16 PCIe Lanes available.
@@BuildOrBuy it’s a dell precision tower I rack mounted with a c422 chipset I believe it supports xeons and x299 chips, I’ll check the bios tomorrow snd make sure it supports 4x4 bifurcation but the manual says it does. You were a great help when I was looking at getting TB3 add in cards working properly on an x570 system I have.
Hi@@NikolaiCherepanov, Nice. Bifurcation uses CPU PCIe Lanes. It should be supported. TB3 was a lot simpler to implement. TB4 USB 4 has tighter Specs and is Vendor specific. Appreciate the Update.
@@BuildOrBuy I’m still trying to get proxmox to properly pass it through to a windows VM but from my reading and research due to the fact it uses CPU lanes it’s very tricky to get working properly
@@BuildOrBuy Bought the Gen3 V2 and put it in the Dell 5820 and it worked flawlessly out of the box, the PCIE slot automatically bifurcated to 4x 4 Lanes and all drives were recognized.
Hi Jag 1010, Nice to meet You! ASUS Z97-PRO Gamer - Your Motherboard does not support Bifurcation. Would require a Bios Mod. We do not advise that. Instead get a self Bifurcated card like the Glotrends Sky card. We have Video on that card. Requires a x8 Slot. PCIe 3.0 only. There are currently NO PCIe 4.0 self Bifurcated cards that work on a x8 Slot. www.asus.com/supportonly/Z97-PRO%20GAMER/HelpDesk_Download/ www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/ Glotrends Sky card: ruclips.net/video/QF71-5nhrAk/видео.html Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the quick response, this helps alot, In addition i am thinking about an upgrade as its due and will likely go for the TRX40, you mentioned , good price, and specs. Learnt something new from your video, how misleading the PCIE lane speeds are. with the power distribution in play.
Hi@@Jag-ws5ue, Absolutely! Especially important when making purchasing decisions or diagnosing a problem. Vendors love to quote Specs hoping Users perceive what is Burst mode as actual Throughput irrespective of Overhead. Like PCIe 3.0 and Thunderbolt 3. We're working on a Video about Thunderbolt 4 that further highlights that aspect. Thanks for watching! When You get ready to Build Your TRX40, let Us know if You need another set of eyes on that Spec. Congrats on Your decision!
Hello, I wanted to know if I can install only one Kingston FURY Renegade 2TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSD drive in my Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe using Asus Hyper X16 V1-2?
Hello aquarius1098, Welcome! Interesting Question. Looking over Your Specs... ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe www.asus.com/us/supportonly/p8z77v_deluxe/helpdesk_knowledge/ According to Your Motherboard Specs, Primary or 1st Slot claims to be PCIe 3.0. That would depend upon CPU. Otherwise, PCIe 2.0. That Slot is X16, mechanically but X8, electrically. Therefore X8 Lanes, electrically. Intel Z77 Chipset - 2012 www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/64024/intel-z77-express-chipset/specifications.html Chipset is PCIe 2.0; X8 PCIe Lanes; Supports X1, X2, X4. Definite maybe but doubtful. ASUS Quad card would have to be in Slot 1. Onboard GPU? M.2 NVMe requires PCIe 3.0. An M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive can be used on 2 PCIe Lanes. When M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives 1st became available, there were a few Motherboards revised to accommodate that technology. However, Depends upon Chipset configuration. Your Chipset predates all of that. ASUS Bifurcation Charts www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/ servers.asus.com/support/faq/detail/1037507 Intel Z77 Chipset is not listed on any ASUS Bifurcation Charts. Based on the age of Your Motherboard, the only way to be absolutely certain would be to Test and Verify. During the Bootstrap process, expect Motherboard to hang during Boot-up since it would not understand how to allocate PCIe Resources. Hope that helps.
Hi@@aquarius1098, Correct. To sum it up, not enough PCIe Resources. You can try and see what happens. But You'll have some idea of what and why. You need a newer Motherboard with more PCIe Lanes. There have been Bios Mods to make this work. Where essential PCIe Lanes are reallocated by turning something else off. This has been done on the Intel X79 Chipset. We're not aware of anyone trying that or if it's even possible on Your Chipset. Bummer, right. Hope that helps!
Hi@@aquarius1098, Absolutely! That's Your best Option on that Motherboard with that Chipset. Until You can Upgrade. You'll be pleased with the Performance Upgrade with an SSD!
Excellent video, thank you very much. Please help me with the following: I have a motherboard: ROG STRIX TRX40-XE GAMING. The 4 PCIe x16 slots are running in mode: x4,x4,x4,x4 and I need to configure a RAID 5 with the 4 NVMe, is it possible? Additionally I will install an AMD RADEON RX 6900 16GB GDDR6 GPU. Can I use the PCIEX16_2? Thanks again.
Hi Claudio Donoso, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! ASUS ROG Strix TRX40-E rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-trx40-xe-gaming-model/ To CPU: 3 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16/x16/x16) See details in PDF Manual on Page 24. PCIex16_1 PCIex16_2 PCIex16_3 - Through Chipset: 1 x PCIe 4.0 x4 See details in PDF Manual on 75. PCIex16_1 Bandwidth x4+x4+x4+x4 [Bifurcation] PCIex16_2 Bandwidth PCIex16_3 Bandwidth Info on Page 24 contradicts Info on Page 75. Those 3 Slots to CPU should be x16, electrically. If However Info on page 24 is correct then that might be a problem for GPU if You want PCIex16_2 to be x16 Electrically. To reiterate, appears Yes You can Use but whether x16, You'll have to try it and let Us know! According to the PDF Manual, RAID 0, 1 and RAID 10. I think AMD added RAID 5 through a Bios Update. I do not know for certain if Your Motherboard has RAID 5. It should. Gigabyte does on TRX40 Designare from Bios Update. According to AMD RAID: www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-ryzen-raid-2-08-12-400 drivers.amd.com/relnotes/amd-raidxpert2_user_guide.pdf RAID5 is listed. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
For a rescued Dell T3600 (C600 series chipset) with Xeon E5-1620 (40 PCIe 3.0 lanes) with Quadro K6000 in the first PCIe x 16 slot, will this work in the second PCIe 3.0 x16?
Hi john hazel, Looks like that system does not have Bios support for NVMe nor Bifurcation support. From 2013 or earlier? Four options: 1. Hardware RAID Card, MegaRAID. 2. Self Bifurcated card. 3. Moded Bios. 4. There's a workaround for getting NVMe support. It's a bit convoluted and no guarantees using Clover Boot Utility. www.win-raid.com/t2375f50-Guide-NVMe-boot-without-modding-your-UEFI-BIOS-Clover-EFI-bootloader-method.html
Is there any difference between u.2 Nvme ssd connected to the motherboard vs the ones that are connected as pcie AIC? Does one have any advantage over the other?
Hi Numan, U.2 is an Intel, Enterprise technology. And a Resource hog. Larger 2.5 inch size form factor like an SSD only faster. Big idea 5 years ago! Now only found on HEDTs and Workstations. Larger Form Factor than M.2, and originally was larger capacity. M.2 is now at 8TBs per Drive for Consumers. U.2 is now at 16TBs per Drive. U.2 Specs look great! Prices are ridiculous! PCIe Gen 3. U.2 Connectors require a Cable (Power and Data like SATA) whereas M.2 NVMe is a direct Device connection. M.2 NVMe is PCIe 4.0. Usually U.2 Connectors share Resources meaning something else gets shut off like SATA ports or PCIe Slots or both. U.2 was a great idea. Past tense. M.2 is a better idea. Present tense. For the best Price / Performance, stick with M.2 NVMe. U.2 Connectors are typically in pairs. A typical HEDT or Workstation Motherboard will have 2 to 3 M.2 Connectors, some have as many as 4 M.2s. The greater question is the Connection. Direct to CPU or through Chipset. Shared or Dedicated Resource. And HotSwap / Hot Plug... M.2 can do that too! Now for U.2 direct to Motherboard vs U.2 AIC. The Connection... To CPU, AIC then Chipset. Either way, each Device requires 4 PCIe Lanes. A U.2 AIC for 2 U.2 Connectors would require a x8 Slot. Anything less would be a self Bifurcating AIC. Are You looking at this: Sonnet Technologies Fusion Dual U.2 SSD PCIe Card amzn.to/3t9uD8t Micron 9300 Pro 15.36TB NVMe U.2 Enterprise Solid State Drive amzn.to/3235Abt As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Excellent Question! Almost needed a Video for that one! Hope that helps!
WOW!! Very interesting and you talk very precisely! Now I understand more. I think. XD In case I buy a TRX-40 and the asus gen4 and I want to have the graphics card at x16, and there are other 2 x8 slots, then I should put just 2 m.2 per each x8 slot, right? (+ set at the bios x4x4 each x8 slot in case it is not automatic) But, is it required to put the m.2 at the asus on specific order or not?
Hi Mitxel Sadaba, Thank You for Your Comments! If You're getting ready to Build, Welcome to the TRX40 platform! Just so You know, the Threadripper Pro WRX80 has just become available on NewEgg! This Video is specific to the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare. We do not know if the same issues apply to the ASUS TRX40 Motherboards. However, based on what we do know, this is something to be aware of. We are not finished with this subject and will update when we have more info to share! With PCIe Slot and Lane assignments, this was a most interesting process to diagnose, test and verify. Very convoluted to run out of PCIe Resources. There is either a Bus prioritization or Bus dependency issue. We think a Bios update can resolve this problem. As to Your Question, If using an M.2 NVMe Add in Card, pay attention to the details. Everything matters! Of this type of M.2 NVMe card, they all require 1 x16 Slot, electrically to accommodate 4 M.2 NVMe Drives since each M.2 NVMe Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. The x8 slots could be used for a self Bifurcated M.2 NVMe card. The Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card is unique to the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard since that Motherboard has the TB3 Header to allocate Memory for the card. ASUS has just announced their Thunderbolt 4 add in card. Not enough details yet to know enough about System requirements. Hope this helps! Thanks for Watching! www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/ThunderboltEX-4/
@@BuildOrBuy Sorry, but I am not an expert in your language (or even building computers XD ) Are you saying that I am right? And also advising on buying another product instead of the Asus? Because I would waste 2 m.2 ports per each Asus? Well, if that is the case, I don't know. I was just thinking that if I buy this product with 2 m.2 per each x8 slot free, in the future with more x16 slots with another motherboard I would recycle the Asus and also add 2 m.2 so I would have 8 m.2 . But for the moment it seems that the 16x slot is needed for the graphics card (in my case) and I don't find gen4 adapters cards.
Hi@@mr_nemo24, You are correct! However. Better to use 2nd x16 Slot for 4 M.2 NVMe Drives. Both ASUS and Gigabyte make an M.2 NVMe Quad card, PCIe 4.0. Hope that helps.
@@BuildOrBuy the problem is that the graphics card that I want just leaves 1cm aproximately at that 2nd x16 slot and I think it doesn't fit. That's why I ask about x8 slots.
Hi TGS Partners, Welcome! Does not look like the HP Z820 Supports Bifurcation. Bummer. Highpoint makes Self Bifurcated cards that would work. They have both 4 & 8 Drive cards. Links below. 1. Highpoint SSD7101A-1 NVMe 4-Port M.2 amzn.to/3EM6Fal 2. Highpoint SSD7103 - PCIe 3.0 x16 4-Port M.2 NVMe RAID AIC RAID Controller Card amzn.to/3gIY4gM 3. Highpoint SSD7540 NVMe 8-Port M.2/U.2 Industry Fastest-Performance/Comprehensive Selection Capable of Supporting Over 100TB On a Single Controller! amzn.to/3gLh7af As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! 3 Options! All Self Bifurcated! Hope that helps!
Im using it on my X570 ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula motherboard, it works as intended, i currently only have 2 m.2 nvme's inside of it. One thing i do not like is that this Hyper M.2 X16 Card can not be used on all the x16 Lanes, atleast for asus motherboards you can only use pciEX16_1 pciEX16_2 pciEX16_1 is for my graphics card. pciEX16_2 is for my hyper m.2 card i do have a pciEX16_3 aswell, but in bios you can not put pciEX16_3 in raid mode, which means you will only have 1 nvme working on the card. It does not help to change the AUTO to x4x4 on this pcie lane sadly. If you have any experience in this to fix this i would be glad to hear something back. But atleast for the manual for this card it says it can only be used with pciEX16_1 pciEX16_2. Here is a screenshot image of some X570 mobos: gyazo.com/a2cad52a490ba7318d466145a6a086e1
Hi Marsvinking, Welcome! The X570 Chipset looks great on paper. However, the Vendor implementation is lacking. We just need more PCIe Resources! ASUS does have 1 X570 with 1 x16 dedicated Slot. X570 ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-formula-model/spec - 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) - M.2 NVMe AIC is 1st Slot only for 4 Drives Bifurcated, to be seen. - 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 mode). Video card, only option. Crazy right. Even if You swapped PCIe Slots, since they share PCIe Resources, You still have 2 x8 Slots, electrically. And that's a bummer! To reiterate, the other option is to place the Video card in 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 mode) Slot. This is the link to the Chart in Your image. ASUS documentation - Search: ROG Crosshair VIII Formula ; 2nd Listing. www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Hi JOSEslayer 101, Welcome! Good question! Seems that way! Who would have ever thought. Impossible right. The only one right now in that category at that price range is this: *JEYI iHyper-Pro M.2 X16 to 4X PCIE 4.0 GEN4 Expansion Card* amzn.to/3wks6tK As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. We have one on Order. It has Shipped. We need to test and Verify. Another subscriber had asked about this very add in card. Hope that helps!
Hi Mr B, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Thank You very much as well! Details matter! Keep is Simple and Make it Work! Fascinating Topic! We have several Quad card Videos! Each a little different!
One question: if you put one (or more) PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD like the Samsung 980 Pro in one of these cards and install the card in a 8x lane PCIe 3.0 slot (which theoretically has a bandwidth of up to 7000 mb/s), will we have those speeds for each SSDs?
Hi sebasrjsrdz, Welcome! Great Question! In this situation and configuration as described, the limiting factor is the Motherboard Chipset. Whether PCIe 3.0 or 4.0! And since a chain is only as strong as the weakest link, the next factor would be the M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive. Hence as You have stated, 7,000Mbps. The biggest problem to overcome is meeting the 2 requirements to install a X16 M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad card! Requirements: X16 PCIe Slot, electrically and Motherboard Bios Bifurcation from X16 to X4X4X4X4. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks. I actually just bought the card (v2) and I'm getting it tomorrow. I have an HP Z440 workstation with several PCIe slots (two 16x 3.0, one 8x 3.0, one 4x 2.0, one 1x 2.0). I currently have a Supermicro 8x 3.0 card with 2 NVMes in the 8x 3.0 slot, one of the NVMe being a Crucial P5 Plus which is PCIe 4.0 with max speed of 6600 mb/s, but it maxes out at 3500 mb/s because (I suppose) the Supermicro card is limited to PCIe 3.0 x4 for each NVMe (that's what it says in their product description). I even tried the card in a 16x slot and I got the same speeds. Now I'm gonna swap it for the Asus and theoretically it should work, even in the 8x slot. Like you said, the only problem could be that the card won't work on a 8x slot because of power, or some other problem (HP motherboards are very special) we'll see.
Hi@@sebasrojas00, Therefore You know all about Bifurcation. That Slot that's maxing out at 3,500Mbps, that's PCIe 3.0 on that PCIe Slot on the Motherboard. To reiterate, if the M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive is capable of faster then the Motherboard Chipset on a given Slot is the limiting factor. Here's what We found: HP Z440 provides two PCIe 3.0 x16, one PCIe 3.0 x8, one PCIe 2.0 x4, and one PCIe 2.0 x1 Slots, electrically. Is that correct?
@@BuildOrBuy yes those are the slots. So technically a PCI 3.0 slot of 8x lanes should provide a max speed of 7000 mb/s, given that the card used provides this bandwidth (the Asus V2 does, my Supermicro was limited to PCIe 3.0 x4 per NVMe). So all this doesn't matter if my motherboard chipset doesn't allow speeds higher than PCIe 3.0? So I'm always going to be limited to that speed? Even if I use a 16x 3.0 slot with a card like the Asus and that provides this bandwidth and an NVMe that also can give these speeds?
Hi@@sebasrojas00, Let's try this another way. To reiterate, a X8 PCIe 3.0 Slot is only capable of 3,500Mbps. A X8 PCIe 3.0 Slot allows enough PCIe Lanes for 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives. Bandwidth Speeds for M.2 NVMe 1. PCIe 3.0 = 3,500MBps 2. PCIe 4.0, 1st Generation = 5,000Mbps 3. PCIe 4.0, 2nd Generation = 7,000Mbps 4. PCIe 4.0, 3rd Generation = 7,200Mps on Read and Writes 5. PCIe 5.0, 1st Generation = 10,000Mbps The Speed of the PCIe Bus is dictated by the Chipset. The PCIe Lane count of 4 Lanes is required per each M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive to achieve the specified Speed whether PCIe 3.0 or PCIe 4.0 or PCIe 5.0. To reiterate, Each M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. Bifurcation is a function of CPU PCIe Lanes and not Chipset PCIe Lanes. Hope that helps! Now IF You RAID 0 - 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives then You increase the Bandwidth to being close to double as You have outlined. The only scenario when the Add in Card would limit the speed would be IF the Add in Card were Self Bifurcated. In that scenario the Self Bifurcated Add in card would have a PLX Chip doing the Lane Switching and that PLX Chip sets the Speed according to Specs of that PLX Chip. Right now, all Self Bifurcated Add in Cards are PCIe 3.0 only.
Hi Aaron Pinson, As You already are learning, You'll need to Buy those M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives. There are some Quad and 8 Drive cards that are populated but the one that's included with the ASUS WRX80 Workstation Motherboard is not populated. Success on Your Build!
Would this work on a system with an Asus P6X58D Premium motherboard with a Xeon X5680 CPU? RTX3060 graphics card is presently installed in the second 16x PCI 2.0 slot, leaving the first one open. Just hoping to squeeze as much life out of that old system for as long as I can.
Hi Kam, Welcome! You did. While perusing through Your Motherboard Specs looking for Bifurcation Requirements, stopped on PCIe 2.0. Bifurcation Requires PCIe 3.0 or above. Thought 11 Years old looked iffy based on last Bios Update. Amazing the changes and differences We've encountered in 11 Years. Considering that System, can You wait a bit longer? How long? Maybe 12 months. Crystal ball forecasting. PCIe 5.0, new Chipsets and new Motherboards! PCIe 6.0 is maybe 2 years out. You definitely had a nice System for the time. Even a Self Bifurcated Add in card Requires PCIe 3.0. Bummer, right. Hope that helps! Research Data below: Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D www.asus.com/supportonly/p6x58d_premium/helpdesk_knowledge/ Last Bios Dated 2011 - 11 Year old Motherboard Intel ICH10R Southbridge PCIe 2.0 CPU: Xeon X5680 ASUS Bifurcation Chart www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/
@@BuildOrBuy Wow, thanks for the quick reply! And yeah, that is a bummer. I was also looking at the self-bifurcating Startech dual card as it advertises backward 2.0 compatibility with seemingly no other requirements, but, is that incorrect? As for the waiting part, yeah, I could probably do that since I was thinking about getting a new mobo and cpu anyway if I couldn't squeeze more performance out of the current system.
Hi@@NightOwwl728, Absolutely! Good timing for both of Us! Startech Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter or Dual M.2 SATA? See link: StarTech.com Dual M.2 PCIe SSD Adapter Card - x8 / x16 Dual NVMe or AHCI M.2 SSD to PCI Express 3.0 amzn.to/3GGDDKf As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! If on Amazon locate the ASIN or Model Number. RUclips will not allow Viewer Comments with links due to Spam. FYI. Be happy to Verify those Specs! Bifurcation is a Fascinating Topic!
@@BuildOrBuy The NVMe one. But, maybe the M.2 SATA route would be a wiser choice considering that it would be more affordable and also that things are now changing with the arrival of 5.0, the supposed EOL of the LGA1700 socket, and AMD just got their ass kicked by the new Intel CPUs (at least in the mid-range). So, might be worth it to just save some money now and just go with some more SATA to tide me over in the meanwhile and see what shakes out at this time next year.
Hi@@NightOwwl728, Yes, Startech PEX8M2E2 uses an ASMedia ASM2824 PLX Chip for Lane Switching and is as You stated, Self Bifurcated. And says PCIe 2.0 compatible. Interesting considering the Speeds. An M.2 NVMe PCIe 3.0 SSD is capable of 3,500Mbps. Whereas on PCIe 2.0, cut that in half. Says compatible even with PCIe 1.0. Wow! Supports Software RAID. Yes. Storage Drive only unless Your Bios supports NVMe Boot. Startech has 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Dual Adapters. One with Chipset Heatsink is Self Bifurcated. The other one requires Bios Bifurcation. Thanks for Sharing! I learned something new! Only knew of one of those until You asked! Fascinating! ASMedia ASM2824 Chipset - For Reference: www.asmedia.com.tw/product/249yq0aSx7zRFGJ9/7c5YQ79xz8urEGr1#:~:text=General%20Description,system%20storage%20or%20communication%20platforms.
Hi Ronsanut, In real time, absolutely. On edited Video, no. I Edit out those pauses for time to keep the video as short as possible and still deliver the message effectively. Lots of Editing! Thanks for Watching!
Hi beber dubox, Welcome! As is, no. However... ASUS Maximus VII Formula - Z97 Chipset. Would require a Bios Mod. Not advised but doable. Your Motherboard existed before Bifurcation did. We have had a few Users with a Z97 Chipset Motherboard who have successfully achieved that. PCIe Resources have to be reallocated to Bifurcate a slot. You would have to check a Bios Mod site for those individuals that do that. Be forewarned, You could end up bricking your Motherboard if the Bios Mod procedure Fails. dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/MAXIMUS-VII-FORMULA/E9796_maximus_vii_formula_ug_v2_WEB.pdf Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Hi Mr Serrano, Welcome! For specificity, give Us an x570 Motherboard. This deserves a video response for clarity of a complex issue about options! Stay tuned! Now, Your Motherboard so We can have a Specific example!
Hi dizsit, Welcome! Great Question! Intel Z77 Chipset. ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/64024/intel-z77-express-chipset.html According to Intel, You have PCIe 2.0. We need PCIe 3.0 plus a fully Bios Bifurcated X16 Slot. Bummer. There may be some Self Bifurcated cards that work with PCIe 2.0 but then You also Require Bios Boot Support for NVMe which will not be available. Double Bummer!
Hi@@dizsit, Absolutely! Your CPU, Intel i7 3770K, 4 Cores, 8 Threads. www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/65523/intel-core-i73770k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz/specifications.html We recommend 16 CPU Cores and 32 Threads for Rendering. Minimum. Hope that helps!
Hi Numan, Yes! By Chipset, x299 HEDT. By Configuration, 1.) You need a 44 Lane CPU or above. 2.) Requires 1 x16 Lane PCIe Slot, electrically. No shared PCIe Resources! Install in PCIeX16_2. 3.) Turn on Bifurcation in Bios / UEFI Firmware. For that PCIe Slot, Hyper or x4x4x4x4. 4.) RAID 0 only. Use any M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives You want. 5.) With Intel VROC Key [VROCISSDMOD] - RAID 0/1/5/10 support on Intel SSDs only.
ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x299-e-gaming-model/ Search below for: ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING II ASUS Hyper M.2 x 16 card Motherboard Compatibility of PCIE Bifurcation www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 To reiterate, Install in PCIeX16_2. Hope that helps! Your Motherboard and Bios PDFs do not provide those details for me to tell You where to look specifically. You should be able to go the Setting for that Slot and change Resource allocations accordingly as Listed above.
its rly called M.2 sata (vs M.2 NvMe) in total we got 2,5 SSD(Sata), Msata SSD(Sata), M.2 Sata(Sata), M.2 Nvme(pice), U.2 SSD(Pcie), Pcie Sata(Pcie) and 3,5 SSD(sata)
Hi Norkris, Keeping it relevant. Not intended to account for everything. That alone is another Discussion for another Video. This was about answering Subscribers questions, as asked. Thank You for Your Comments.
I got the asus hyper m.2 x16 card v2. Will this work in a x4 pcie slot that is x16 electrically?(x4 slot that accepts x16 cards) I have 4x 2tb m.2 nvme 3.0 installed in the card and only half of the capacity is showing up. My motherboard is the gigabyte b550 master.
Hi Glasgowmg, Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10#kf The ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 card would have to go in PCIex16. And You see only 2 M.2 NVMe Drives. Got it. Your Motherboard does not have the capability to fully Bifurcate to 4x4x4x4. Bummer. Each M.2 NVMe Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes, hence a x16 Slot Electrically. You have 1 other option. Get a self Bifurcating card. HighPoint and Glotrends each have a card. They are pricey. Listed in Video Description. Hope that helps!
Fun video, thanks! I just copied a 767,523 KB file from my M.2 PCI-E 4x4(Samsung 980 PRO 1TB) drive to a ram drive. The Windows "transfer screen" didn't even pop up. The Task Manager transfer rate graph showed the Disk Transfer rate line at 300 MB/s which was about 2/3 from the peak. z590 and a i7-11700k CPU. I have 1 PCIE-4.0 x16 slot on the board.
Hi Jason, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments and those Stats! Which Motherboard are You using? That X16 Slot will have to have Bios Bifurcation for x4x4x4x4 to see all 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives!
Hi@@JasonCarmichael, Got it! According to Your Bios pdf manual, Your Bios has a Setting as follows: CPU PCIe Lanes Configuration. No more details are given. You'll have to Verify if that can be changed to X4X4X4X4 to accommodate a Quad card. Hope that helps! Thanks for Sharing! BTW: Thinking about Upgrading?
i hew a problem,, and i dont find a solution for it,,, the asus hyper m.2 x16 card i hew only show up 1 m.2 ssd in bios and in windows 10,, i hew the asus prime x299-a motherboard, what am i doing wrong? and yes the card are in the pciex16_2 slot, (secound from the top) as far as i understand from asus support page, thts the slots that supports all 4 nvme,
Hi Demon_Ghost_666, Welcome! What CPU do You have? Do You have a 6 Core CPU or above? You may require a VROC Chip. If a VROC Chip is required then You'll only be able to use Intel M.2 NVMe Drives. 1. Did You disable CSM in UEFI? 2. Go to Advanced, CPU Storage Configuration. Select the PCIe Slot and set to either Hyper M.2 x16 or PCIe x4 SSD Card. This will Bifurcate that Slot from x16 to x4x4x4x4. WithOUT Intel VROC Key - RAID 0 only, using any PCIe NVMe M.2 SSDs you like. Not Bootable. See if that helps!
Hi@@demon_ghost_6662, OK. Processor is good to go! Intel Core i9-9820X X-series Processor www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/189121/intel-core-i99820x-xseries-processor-16-5m-cache-up-to-4-20-ghz/specifications.html What about the other options mentioned? Did You Bifurcate the Slot?
@@BuildOrBuy i figured out the problem actualy,, some of my bios settings got reset somehow,, jupp sure i fucked it up somehow,,,,,, the setting for the cpu that change the pci to storage prossesing, thingy, thanks for responding so fast!! :) love that it exsist people that want to help others!
Hi@@demon_ghost_6662, Excellent! Stuff happens. Maybe Reset from a Bios Update. Glad You figured it out with maybe a little help! Absolutely! Thanks for Asking!
hi I'm from Brazil, I bought (hyper m.2 x16 gen 4 card) and, my motherboard is an Asus B85M-E/BR motherboard for Intel LGA-1150 VGA DVI HDMI (2015) It is compatible? Is it possible to use with 2 or more nvme m.2 ssd hds?
Hello henrique, Welcome. Count your PCIe Lanes. How many Lanes are available? How many PCIe Lanes does a Quad card require. Short answer, no. Do the math.
Hi@@henriquefernandes1985 , ASUS does not indicate your Motherboard as having Bifurcation support. Therefore, No Bifurcation, No Hyper card support. In your Bios You would need a setting to change a PCIe Slot from X16 to x4x4x4x4. Bifurcation started on the X299 Chipset.
Can you use the Rog Zenith Extreme Alpha when you install that gen 4 card? id like to see the bios for configuring it and if its automatic when its installed. Or use an Asus board in general. i have that board and 4 980 pro's i want to raid into 1 drive for speed. And have my 3090 in x16 1 and this in x16 slot 2 full speed. thanks.
I've got 2 Hyper Gen4 Asus quad cards on an old X399 Asus board. It's easy. Bios for PCIe lanes change auto to raid. The x16 goes to 4x 4x 4x 4x with one click in the bios. I'm not using a raid array but it goes to four separate devices seen on the bios.Just reboot and it shows all 4 drives. The Asus gen4 quad card was only $20 more than the gen3 V2. Buy GEN4 drives and your ready for an upgrade to a gen4 mobo/cpu.
Hi stephen smith, Nice to meet You! Max has You covered! Just now seeing his message. I'll throw my 2 scents in as well since I'm replying! Have to hibernate when Filming and Editing! Great Motherboard Choice! We were only able to Build two Gigabyte TRX40 Designares. Both are same. If a Client had asked, certainly. Would really like to have that on Video as You have asked! I had another Client who also Built same again with TRX40 Designare. ASUS Rog Zenith Extreme Alpha TRX40 rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-zenith/rog-zenith-extreme-alpha-model/ I can tell You what to look for based on the PDF Manual. Page 82. Onboard Devices Configuration - Slot: PCIe16_3 Bandwidth - Choose PCIe RAID Mode for Bifurcation. Does not appear to be Automatic for PCIe 4.0. Curious. Probably safer. May require a Bios Update to enable that feature. BTW: Your RTX 3090 - How many Slots wide? Hope it's no more than 3 Slots Wide?
Hi@@maxhughes5687, Exquisite! Thank You! Have to hibernate when Filming and Editing! Have to ask, Do You have them all in one RAID? I was thinking about showing that very thing! Interesting!
@@BuildOrBuy I thought about it. It looked way more complicated than run the drivers and clone the boot drive to a new raid array. XP from a boot drive 100mb ribbon cable to two SATA velocy raptors was easy. Install W10 on an OCZ revo drive with 4 120GB SSDs was just spin a cd with the drivers on install. Even HighPoints 7505 looks scary. So I just run 3 spanned drives for D: 5.5TB storage. One boot drive on the quad card and one drive on a DIMM card for W10 backup. I have used a second Hyper with one drive on Linux. I power up one or the other, but never both cards.
Hi@@maxhughes5687, Curious. How do You power one card without powering the other card? We've thought about showing a Dual Boot in Hardware only. Keep it Simple!
@@BuildOrBuy Gen 2 Asus is generation 2 Hyper X card which is PCIE 4.0 of which I use PCIE 3.0 NVME 4x1TB Teamgroup drives in due to their long TBW specs as I use it for a NAS in an ESXi virtual NAS guest. On a 10Gb network I get read/write speeds of 1GB constant which serves the purpose perfectly. In a few years I will re use that card in my workstation with pcie 4.0 NVME’s hence I went witht he Gen 2 hyper X card.
I still wish the 2TB limit that the Phison PS5016-E16 or E18 controller didn't exist or at least have a press release of upcoming controller specs that have more than 8TB total limits considering there are PCI gen 3 controllers that support beyond a 2TB drive..Can you imagine 4 or 8 TB PCIe gen 4 NVME drive s(16 or 32TB total) with the almost mind blowing speeds these drives are able to achieve.... total drive space nerd heaven. Of course I wont comment on the wallet draining price of the drives. Especially after spending what I did on my Threadripper 3960x system which by itself was 1000% overkill for what I do with it.
Hi John Smith, Overkill? Bragging rights! You have to admit, that was fun Building Your Threadripper! Faster Drives are coming! PCIe 5.0 Switches and PCIe 6.0 Spec announced. What a time to be Building a PC Computer! Can You imagine by 2023 an NVMe Drive with Twice the Bandwidth and Double the Speed? Wow!
@@BuildOrBuy Too be perfectly honest. I don't even want to imagine the speed of PC's that are just over the horizon, but you summed it up well with WOW. I still find it humorous that the average PC user/gamer can not even begin to saturate the gen 3 bandwidth 100% let alone gen 4.0, 5.0 or 6.0. Oh well, I guess the only one who suffers is my poor wallet..poor me. You are so right when you say in your videos is fun and we learn by doing. Speaking of which I need to go rewatch the ASUS Hyper card videos, I ran across some data in their FAQ about the card and bifurcation including x570 realated info that has me thinking and I'm not sure you showed anything on it during that video.. Keep up the great content, I'm certain it helps those struggling.
The Asus mobo doesn’t allow for all this customization. My gpu is in top slot asus card in second, but it drops my gpu to x8. I can’t figure out a way to manually set the speeds on this crosshair viii hero wifi. I have two nvme drives installed on the mobo already, could those be taking the slots? I do Bification on the second slot, my gpu in top slot runs at x8. Can’t get it to x16 unless I take out the hyper card
Hi DalisYn, Welcome! ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI) - X570 Chipset. To CPU - 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) Through AMD X570 chipset: 1 x PCIe 4.0 x1 rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-hero-wi-fi-model/spec Not enough PCIe Resources to allocate on that Motherboard. You will only see 2 M.2 Drives. Your options... Use a self Bifurcated M.2 NVMe Card that would work in a x8 Slot. Only two right now: Glotrends Sky card is Your best Option. The other one is more expensive. However, both are PCIe 3.0. We have a Video on that card here: ruclips.net/video/QF71-5nhrAk/видео.html Bummer, right. Sorry to be the messenger. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Next time You Build, let's talk Chipsets and Motherboards, in that Order!
HI@@DalisYn, Absolutely! Here to help! This is what ASUS has on the matter: www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 We thought this was an esoteric topic. Hardly! Thanks for Asking!
Hi Jamie, Welcome! MSI MEG X570 ACE www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X570-ACE On all Desktop Motherboards, You're facing the same problem. A X16 M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad card has 2 requirements. 1. A X16 Slot, Electrically. 2. Motherboard Bios Bifurcation. Be happy to create a Video and explain how that all relates to Your Motherboard if You like. And possible Options. What CPU are You using?
@@BuildOrBuy First off thank you for the reply and yes that's the motherboard there and YES a video would be awesome if you have the time. any who I have a AMD 5950x, with a 3090 Aorus xtreame on the 1st x16 slot but it easily blocks the 2nd x16 slot and I already have 3 WD sn850s occupying the 3 m.2 slots on the board and I want to add more since they are already nearing full capacity so I've bin looking into my options hence why I'm here, I have looked into several adapters including the ones you are demonstrating here, and I am trying to see what will work the best other then having to settle for SATA or HDD, I've even learned that MSI does make an expander that comes with the MSI GODLIKE x570. and I wonder if that would work on the ACE since the bios is basically the same and it does have the setting to split the lanes and I could easily order one on ebay, but the only slots i have open as of now are the 2 very last lower ones the x1 and x16 so I've also found they make single and dual m.2 adapters I seen on amazon that can be added to the pcie x1 and ive also found that Sabrent even makes a universal one that claims it can work on pcie x4 x8 x16 would any of these options work? could I make any of these options run in raid 0? could i just put my gpu on a riser and use my 2nd x16 slot because i believe the GODLIKE says the xpander goes into the 2nd slot? id also would really like to keep the gpu on the 1st slot. below are several adapters I've also looked at they all look different. thanks i look fwd to your reply. google adapters I found on amazon. " GLOTRENDS M.2 PCIe X1 Adapter with M.2 Heatsink for M.2 PCIe 4.0/3.0 SSD (NVMe/AHCI Key M), PCIe X1/X4/X8/X16 Lane Installation, but Only PCIe X1 Bandwidth (PA09-X1-HS) " " SABRENT NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE) " " AMPCOM M.2 NVME SSD to PCIe 4.0 X4 Adapter Card with Copper Cooling Best Heatsink Upgraded for Desktop PC , PCI-E GEN4 Full Speed 64Gbps " " JEYI Quad NVMe PCIe 4.0 Expansion Card, Supports 4 NVMe M.2 SSD 2280 up to 8TB, Raid Bandwidth 256Gbps, Required Bifurcation " " AMPCOM M.2 M Key Nvme SSD to PCI-e 4.0 Adapter, PCI Express 4.0 X16 Card with Aluminum Case, Supports Windows 7/8/ 10, Supports 2280 " " MZHOU M.2 SSD to PCIe 3.0 X4 Adapter Card for M.2 SSD (m Key) and SATA (b Key) 22110 2280 2260 2242 2230 to PCI-e 3.0 x 4 Host Controller Expansion Card with Low Profile Bracket "
You sir, are a legend. I want to grow up to be just like you! Explained this very succinctly and thoroughly. Thank you for educating us all for free!
Hi Brian, Great to meet You! Thank You! I'm honored and flattered. Our Goal is to keep it simple and make it work! I'm amazed how so many are so interested in what we originally thought was an esoteric topic. Stay tuned! Thanks for watching!
Grow up? You are grown up!
Gil, you are by far the most thoroughly informative and detailed tech guru I have found yet. How on Earth does your channel not have 50k+ subscribers?
Btw, Gil, I am completely crazy with anticipation about the new AMD Threadripper Pro build I am sure you are going to make once the parts are available. I am seriously hoping you pick the Gigabyte motherboard as that is likely the one I will use eventually. I plan on using the new tech to finally give my wife 512GB+ RAM. May seem overkill to most but she does a lot of heavy statistical analyses on big data and until now has had to rely on university centralized supercomputer nodes shared with other researchers. Finally I will soon be able to build what she needs in a personal workstation computer. Super excited.
Hi Guapo Desperado,
Thank You for Your Comments! I'm honored! Just answering Subscriber Questions! So much info and so little time! Trying to keep it simple and just hit the high points! Amazing Technology on the Desktop!
Honest? I'm giddy about the WRX80! A Workstation to be reckoned with! Not overkill! Right now, that's as dense a RAM as we've seen. More of that to come as well! Stay tuned!
She will be over the moon. 👍
Awesome husband
@@alextracythaxton5796 ha ha don't make me blush. Sadly with the current supply drought and crazy prices, I had to put her new build on hold for a bit, but still waiting on Gil to do his hopefully upcoming tutorial on his next build anyway before I dive into that Threadripper Pro build.
I built my wife's current workstation (based on AMD 3900XT, Gigabyte Aorus board, and 128G RAM, running on Linux Mint) based in large part on a build Gil did and the specs for a build Linus Torvalds (developer of linux) made for himself. Scored some big points for that ha ha. Honestly, it was the first computer I built in nearly 15 years, so much has changed. Gil's videos were a huge help. I was ecstatic when I finished it and loaded Linux flawlessly on the first try. Now it has been crunching some serious statistics for about 18 months and running strong. Even maintains decent temps without liquid cooling, even with maxing out nearly all the RAM in the stats packages for days on end. I got double Noctua fans on the core and a Be Quite case with good airflow and multiple added Be Quite case fans. I can hardly wait to build her the new beast because once I do, I get the current one for audio-visual editing.
Gil is the most thorough, in depth, and patient computer RUclipsr I know of. Truly slendid. The world needs more Gil Boyds. He definitely gave me confidence to jump back into computer building.
@@guapodesperado2822 Gil is an amazing teacher.
BuildOrBuy You're the best there is, the best there was and the best that there ever will be !
Hi Don Jon, I'm honored! Just sharing what I know by answering Subscriber Questions! Bringing my unique perspective to a complicated technology and trying to keep it simple so we can make it work! This is amazing technology for the Desktop trickling down from the Workstation platform. This is a blast! Glad You're enjoying the Video! More to come! Stay Tuned!
Excellent video! Despite having 20 years experience i still learn everyday. Your video was tremendously helpful.
Hi Neo_182,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Always a new learning experience. As You well know, about the time We figure it all out, everything changes again and here We go again! Experience is the best teacher! Thanks for Watching!
Totally agree!!! Noting he missed, learned some new things. Thnx!
After more than a month I could finally watch this amazing video till the end. It has 100 thumbs up. I'm giving a thumb up number 101. I only give thumbs up after I watch a complete video and if I really like it. So great job Gill! Once again! BTW This shows how I'm so much behind schedule in viewing entire videos. That's only because there's so much going in my life. Mostly bad things.
Appreciate You're Watching and Comments! I'm flattered!
Sorry to hear You're having health problems. Think about good things and dwell on those thoughts. Anything You care to share? Blessings.
@@gillboyd2956 Thank You! I would like to share with All of You my comments in the NV Link video. To make it short: a blessing and a prayer for someone to the One and Only God is worth more than any amount of thank yous or money. I've seen it do small, medium and huge wonders for people. Give it a try, you would be just as surprised as I was. I thought my whole life that it's just cheap talk but it really works! The power of a prayer is just amazing!
Hi@@donjon7554,
Amen to that! Prayers and Blessings! Appreciate Your Thoughts and Comments!
Informative video. I can see why X79 was asked for. There is a lot of cheap mainboards coming out of China being able to use E5 Xeon chips and then you essentially have 40 PCI-E lanes per CPU. So if you want to build a cheap fast home server / NAS one of these boards is great. I have a cheap chinese board with Intel X99/C612 chipset with 3 16x 3.0 size slots (2x 16x and 1x 4x) that supports bifurcation and with these cards you can essentially run 8 NVME drives + 10Gbit NIC.
Hi BertM3,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Yes, Bifurcation is the key! Thanks for Watching!
I love your channel. I wish I had seen this years ago. I'm very knowledgeable but I really like to hear you run through setups and configs.
Hi Fred Thomas,
Welcome! Thank You! I'm honored! Amazing how so many Motherboards are so poorly organized. Such as it is with Shared vs Dedicated PCIe Resources. Let's hope more Viewers will think about what they're getting before they make a purchase. Thanks for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments!
I'm from kolkata, India... whenEver I listen to u, I feel/remember my dad . Wonderful,, clean orthodox approach.
Hi Prithwijit De,
Thank You! I'm honored! Wise man. Love your Family while You can. We don't know how alone we are until we lose the ones we love. Blessings.
Thank you just configure my ASUS HYPER V2 on a x570 Taichi, move the card to 1st x16 slot and had to manually configure the bios PCIe X16 switch in the bios to 4x4 and it works !
Hi EliHeRe,
Welcome! Fantastic! Success! Congrats! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing!
Very easy to understand the difference, motherboard is important to take full advantage of these cards, if no 16 lanes no use to install 4 drives
Hi Mark Dagelinckx,
Welcome! Exactly! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Thanks for the video Gill, I gave this review a well deserved like and subscribe! I bought the V2 card last year and was quite surprised by the noise of the small fan. Since I currently use it with a single nvme drive, I have decided to switch it off. Can the V2 drive be run without the cooling fan on when it is used with 4 nvme drives or will the four drives overheat?
Hi Edseltje,
I'm honored! Thank You for Subscribing! Very Much Appreciated! We have Industrial Case Fans making more noise. Good question. We need to run thermals (Emissivity reading) on the card and see. The problem is getting the card and the FLIR Camera in the same parallel plane for a proper reading. We'll probably have to watch according to software which is a close approximation based on power. Thanks for Asking!
Some much knowledge in one video. Love it.
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Appreciate Your Comments! Outstanding! Thanks for Watching!
Looks like we're going to have to do another Video just on RAID Types and Levels.
I came to the internet thinking I would not find the answers I sought, and, if I were to find them, it would not be from the same place. You made my assumption false. Excellent content 😎👍
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You are an amazing presenter. Dear Lord, I didn't expect to watch this whole thing, but i enjoyed it that much. Well done
Hi OpenSource Dev,
Welcome! I'm honored! Highly Edited for Content and Time! We have several Videos on Installing, Configuring and Testing Performance of different X16 Quad cards plus Requirements all based on Subscribers Questions! Fascinating Topic! Thanks for Watching!
I appreciate the walkthrough. I just setup the ASUS card with 2 Samsung 980 Pro and 2 Sabrent Rocket 1st gen. 1TB x 4. I installed the Hyper Card and got the setup running as a non bootable drive. Once it is a valid mount point I use a disk imager to copy the OS to a the new drive. That way I do not have to reinstall windows. Windows installation is not too bad now but resetting all the Firewall rules, network config, programs and VMs etc is a little tedious. Worked Ok. I am getting:
SEQ1M: Q8T1: 16200 MB/s R and 15200 MB/s W. 4GiB Transfer.
Thanks again.
Hi Larry Roshak,
Welcome! Thanks for Sharing! Sounds like You're good to go!
The best videos as always! Well done sir...! You have my respect.
Hi Giannis, Thank You very Much! Appreciate Your Comments! We try!
My MOBO (AW R12) doesn't support bifurcation, im glad I watched this video to get the correct adapter for my nvmes
Hi Ricardo Viatruso,
Excellent! Glad We could help You with that Information. Do You need a Link for a Self Bifurcated Add in card? This capability started with Intel X299 HEDT Chipset. Which has trickled down from the Server Platform. Bifurcation is here to stay! We just need more PCIe Resources!
I have an R12 as well...What exactly did you experience cause I want to put in 4 4TB Nvme cards in my Asus V2
Spent weeks trying to figure this out but thanks to gill I'm getting 7800mbps transfer rates! Thank you so much! You blow away guys like linus and jaystwocents thank you!
Hi Stand Alone,
Outstanding! Success on Your Build! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support!
@@BuildOrBuy Installing the drivers during the windows install was the step that I was missing!
Hi@@lgonzalez1154,
Got it! Glad We could help! Thanks for that clarification! Details matter!
BTW: You are NOT alone. Based on Questions, We're seeing a lot of that detail step missed.
Your source of knowledge in this subject amazes me!
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Thank You! I'm honored! Always considered RAID to be an esoteric Subject. Not anymore! We're getting a lot of interest in RAID. And that's amazing! As Questions arise, We try to address those with possible Solutions! Thanks for Watching!
Asus x570-Plus. PCIE Bifurcation only works in pcie 16x1 slot. In bios find onboard device configuration- PCIEX16_1 Bandwidth PCIE with raid mode selected.
This allows you to your m.2 expander up to 4. With a 1,3, 1,3,4, 1-4 placement.
Hi FunDumbMental, Welcome! Yes, 1 dedicated x16 Slot. That's a first! However, what happens to Your Video card? 1 x4 Slot. Thanks for Sharing!
Asus Tuff Gaming x570-Plus
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS/
Very high quality content, thank you. From Russia with love.
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Sir, you do know how to explain, wish I had a teacher like that! Bravo,
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Gil, you are the most thoroughly informative and detailed tech guru I have found yet. I have a question. I'm running an ASUS Prime z590-a MoBo, i9-11900K @ 3.50GHz; I have a Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8 GB GPU with 2 monitors running. I have an Asus Hyper m.2 x16 gen 4 (PCIe 4.0/3.0 card) and want to run 4 Samsung 990 2TB m.2 cards. it shows 3 out of 4 cards in my disk management. How can I run all 4 m.2 cards and 2 monitors? or do I need to upgrade a few components.
Hello Rev. Warren Bonner,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! See Motherboard PDF Manual for:
PCIe bifurcation & M.2 settings in PCIe x16 slots (from CPU).
Bifurcation on x16_1 = 3 (x8+x4+x4). Therfore, 3 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives is all You're going to see with that Motherboard and Chipset combination. Bummer, right. I'm just the messenger! Hope that helps!
does plugging one of these into a ASUS Maximus Hero Z790 in slot two, cause any problems with using a RTX4090 in slot 1? is 8 lanes of PCI Express 5 enough for the 4090?
Hello Sams911,
Welcome! Two different issues that must be separated to be understood. A Delineation of Specs.
1. Quad card requirements.
A. 1 X16 Slot, PCIe 3.0 or above. Primary Slot.
B. Bios Bifurcation from X16 to X4X4X4X4.
Note: Lane speed is not relevant. Lane count remains constant from PCIe 3.0 through PCIe 5.0 for backwards compatibility.
2. Your GPU is only PCIe 4.0. The GPU no longer drives the PCIe Bus, M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives drive the PCIe Bus! Yes X8 should be adequate. However, Test and Verify. Your Results may vary.
3. The Z790 Chipset does not fully Bifurcate. You will only get X8X8. Therefore only 2 out of 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives would be seen on a Quad card. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for the response, I actually already have it set up. Everything is running amazingly well. I am most impressed with the cooling which was the bigger issue. I was concerned with with that card being so close to the 4090.
Hello@@Sams911,
Indubitably! Outstanding! Glad You're up and running!
Thanks for the video.
If i connect one of that card to pcie3.0 (or 4.0) x4 speed, all 4 SSDs ganna work with x1 each? or just one SSD appear?
Hi spirit kgh,
Welcome! Tell Us more about Your Motherboard Brand, Model and Chipset. From that We can determine if Your Motherboard Supports Bifurcation. And if You have the PCIe Resources for a Quad card.
@@BuildOrBuy i'm using 5600x. with msi b550 tomahawk and graphic card at first slot. i know b550 series don't support pcie bifurcation. so when i upgrade to x570, all 4 ssds ganna work? i don't care about speed that much. i just need around 1Gb/s/ssd or over. but capacity should over 4~ 5Tb.
Hi@@spirtkgh,
That depends upon the Motherboard and the ability to Bifurcate a given slot. And that means full Bifurcation not just partial. Which Motherboard?
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Hi NGK Alex Lazarev,
Welcome! I'm honored! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! We have another M.2 NVMe card, JEYI iHyper-Pro to look at as requested by Subscriber! Arrived today! Stay tuned!
I have an SuperMicro X9DAi I'm trying to get a couple more years from. It supports Gen3 PCIe and bifurcation, there is also PCIe UEFI Option Rom selectability. You seem familar with SuperMicro Product line. What are the odds of booting NVMe from this rig and any caveats that you may be aware. Thanks
Hi Mêłōdïç Çâñçér,
Nice to meet You! Musician? SuperMicro X9DAi, Short Answer, looks like it will work according to SuperMicro. Details below. On a PCIe card only, like this ASUS Hyper M.2 or Gigabyte Aorus M.2 Card.
7 Steps...
1.) Create Your Windows Installation Media from Windows Media Creation Tool.
Note: Use USB Thumb Drive 32GBs or less. Windows Media Creation Tool will format USB Drive for FAT32.
2.) Bifurcate the Slot, If using a x8 Slot or more.
3.) Change Bios options from Bios to UEFI. No more backwards compatability. Save and Exit. Reboot.
4.) During Windows install, Press F11, Select UEFI: USB Device.
5.) During Windows Install, be prepared to load Drivers IF Booting Bios / UEFI RAID! NVMe RAID on an ASUS Hyper M.2 NVMe PCIe card is only possible if supported by Bios. Otherwise, as AHCI, Windows 10 should be good to go on a single Drive!
6.) Next Reboot - See Windows Boot Manager or change in Bios / UEFI to Boot from Windows Boot Manager.
We have a Video on Windows Bootable RAID 0 as it pertains to this type of card.
SuperMicro X9DAi
Intel C602 Chipset (PCH A)
www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/xeon/c600/x9dai.cfm
Three (3) PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots (CPU1 Slot1/Slot3, CPU2 Slot5).
No mention of VROC Chip. RAID indicated on SATA.
One (1) PCI Express 3.0x4 slot (CPU1 Slot2).
If You want NVMe RAID on that Motherboard, suggest a MegaRAID Card for NVMe M.2 Hardware RAID. A True hardware RAID card.
SuperMicro X9Dai Boot from NVMe - Note: This is specific to Intel 750 NVMe PCI-E SSD. However, it should be generic.
www.supermicro.com/support/faqs/faq.cfm?faq=21166
Another option since You can Boot NVMe but not RAID NVMe from Bios / UEFI, would be a single Drive on a single Slot. And since each NVMe only requires 4 PCIe Lanes, use that one PCI Express 3.0x4 slot (CPU1 Slot2). That would accomodate a Single NVMe Drive. And no Bifurcation required. Slick!
Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE)
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We never recommend this route due to management of PCIe Resources and now here You are the 2nd! Curious. All about best path to managing said Resources and Options. We will not know for certain, this works, until You try this out and verify! No substitute for experience. Research only gets Us started! Hope this helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
Amazing information. Maybe you could help me, I currently have an Asus x570 Crosshair hero VIII, with 1TB M.2 Nvme Pcie 4.0 installed on the motherboard itself, I'm looking to upgrade my storage, and I would like to go with a 4TB nvme pcie 4.0 for now, but I would like to be able to get another one in the future, what would you recommend in order to make it work? This extra storage is not for the boot, I will keep my current 1TB for windows, the 4tb extra is for work. Hope you can help me. Again amazing video. Cheers.
Hi Mandonga,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments. This one and the other one on a different Video. Have read both of Your Comments. Working on Video response for possible Solutions. Options - Plural.
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks alot Gill, I just found your chanel a few days ago and I'm eating all the content, you have no idea how helpfull is this information, I can tell you are really passionate about the content. I will be waiting for the video if you end up doing it, if you need more info regarding my setup I'm happy to provide it. Thanks alot for this amazing videos. Cheers.
HI@@mandonga1200,
To reiterate, Appreciate Your Comments! Fascinating, right! Working on Video response for Your Options. Appreciate Your Patience!
just want to say this channel is excellent, about 5 hours into trying to get this to work with my setup, currently got 4 980 saamsung running in passthrough not coming up in RST through pci controller, no VMD assign options on x299 tuf mrk I
Hello orkarma,
Welcome. Thank You. Just now seeing Your comment. Were you able to get this working? X299 Chipset started this Bifurcation process in motion.
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for your reply, essentially no, it seems they really wanted you to buy a vraid key to get it working properly, then again I'm not using an official hyper card. in the end I just Frankenstein nvme into any slot available on the board and one in the pcie slot that doesn't got through PCH. in the bios on my board they don't call it bifurcation which is a pain. TBO I wanted to buy a vraid key but i can find any for a decent price anywhere, the prem one.
Hi@@orkarma,
Yes. On some ASUS X299 Motherboards, VROC was deprecated for Intel RST for CPU RAID.
The wording in your Motherboard manual makes it clear VROC is required for Intel RST. And only works with Intel M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. Most Curious. Goes to show how even that technology changed.
Yeh I got the drives to show up at one point but making a bootable array was seemingly impossible via 4x4x4x4, I will try again as its possible rst wasnt detecting the drives properly as they wouldn't show up in the rst manager on the bios via the bifurcation card. Possible they were in the wrong format to show up, strange though as was able to make a bootable array using the 3 slots on the board and a pcie adding card, just not via bifurcation.
Hi@@orkarma,
Sounds like the state of the technology at that time. Most interesting.
Great videos.
What's your opinion ... it's better to do RAID0 on NVME disks or RAID0 on Intel Optane 900p disks ? What do you think about the Intel VROC?
Hi Sony Sony, Nice to meet You! Great questions! Intel Optane is a Hybrid storage solution. Keep it simple!
Q: What's the largest Intel Optane SSD?
Q: Why has Intel discontinued Intel Optane on the Desktop? We're not a fan of anything proprietary. If You want RAID 0, there are 3 Options... Hardware RAID, Hybrid Bios RAID and O/S software RAID.
An NVMe M.2 PCIe I/O Card is not a RAID card but can do a Hybrid Bios RAID if supported by Bios or an O/S software RAID as a Function of the O/S.
Intel VROC, We should do another Video just on that. Virtual RAID On Chip pretty much sums it up. Defined as Pay more to Play. RAID 0 without and using any SSDs. With, using only Intel SSDs. VROC = proprietary. A real bummer and very annoying to Users! BTW: Also requires a 40 Lane CPU. FYI.
All of that makes AMD, more cost effective. And we like being able to use any SSDs we choose! To reiterate, Keep it Simple! Hope that helps! Thanks for asking! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy so what aobut Intel® Optane™ SSD DC P5800X Series ? 1.6TB - PCIe 4.0 x4, NVMe - 4 pcie 4.0 disks in RAID0 on WRX80E-SAGE - it will go in benchmark around 25.000 MB/s ?
Hi@@SonySony-ng5tq , Theoretically, yes. We'd have to try it to verify. Remember, Specs are burst mode and not Sustained throughput. That much in RAID should be a Hardware RAID Card like a MegaRAID.
A real test would require 2 Computers of same networked with Melanox cards and timed for a given amount of data. That would be a wicked test!
Starting to focus my attention on the Threadrippers per your comments on the video about now being the time to build a workstation socket. I've already got a 7950x and plan to pickup the new X3D on launch day but I'm still in my return period of my Crosshair Extreme and CPU. Looking like some fun potential with the threadrippers for me being mainly gaming
Hi Ryan Odneal,
Welcome! We Focus on Building a Purpose Built Computer for Rendering. Sounds like an interesting proposition! Too bad the HEDT is not viable right now. Let Us know which direction You choose!
Yes! Yes! Yes! I think that's video for me 🤣 watching first seconds. I love that channel!
Hi Don Jon, Thank You! Appreciate Your Enthusiasm!
Hi Gil, i have the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2 with 4 m.2 SSDs installed on my Asus Prime X570-p Motherboard with a AMD 3700X CPU.
However, in Bios it is now only detecting 2 drives. I had it configured to show 4 drives before, but i cannot get it back to that state. I am thinking the bios setting are wrong, but i have tried all types of settings.
I did swap out the CPU to a AMD 5600G, but then realized that the G series only support 3 disks on my motherboard. So i put the original CPU back in, but now it only show 2 disks, not 4.
What am i missing? Any hints much appreciated.
Hi Hurly D'souza,
Welcome! Let's check! This might be easier in a Video but here goes...
Asus Prime X570-P
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/PRIME/PRIME-X570-P/
PDF Motherboard Manual
Page 8 - Specifications Summary
CPUs...
AMD Ryzen 5 5600G (Radeon Vega 7 Video) - 24 lanes of PCIe 3.0 - 6 Cores, 12 Threads
www.amd.com/en/product/11176
AMD 3700X - 20 lanes of PCIe 4.0 - 8 Cores, 16 Threads
www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x
You went from a X16 Slot to a X8 Slot and back to a X16 Slot by changing the CPU. And You're only seeing 3 Drives. OK.
Page 16 - Motherboard Layout
PCIeX16_1 and PCIeX16_2.
Page 66 - PCIeX16_1 Bandwidth
Choose: PCIe RAID Mode - The ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 Quad card.
ASUS Bifurcation chart: Search - Prime X570-P
www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/
Based on Your CPU, not enough PCIe Lanes for Full Bifurcation to see 4 Drives based on Your CPU PCIe Lanes the way that lays out. Only seeing 3 Drives is confirmed. Whew! That was work! Always in the Details! Hope that helps!
Might be good to review how to restore the foreign drive for some people. Nice that the Asus board will work in a Gigabyte motherboard. But I think the Designare's included NVME drive card is better. IMHO. Waiting for your RAID configuration for that beast!
Hi Lee,
Good to hear from You! You know You're absolutely right! Never take any of this for granted! OK. Done! Another Video! Agreed. You would be amazed how many Viewers are more interested in the ASUS M.2 AIC over the Gigabyte M.2 AIC. I'd say Awareness. ASUS has been doing M.2 Quad cards since x299. You have no idea how long I've been trying to get the RAID done. Since we Built the TRX40 Designare!
BTW: DaVinci Resolve Studio License & Edit Panel have Shipped! Have tracking info! Another Video!
Hyper M.2 Card V2 works perfectly on my X79 Rampage IV Extreme in both Windows 10 and Linux (Manjaro). Needed a modded BIOS though, that you can find easily enough.
Oh, there's a registry fix for X79 to make it PCI 3.0 for The Rampage IV.
Hi yorkyswe,
Welcome! You are now 1 of maybe 3 in 4 years with this setup that We have come across. I'd say You have done well in making that Motherboard last this long! Congrats!
Great review! One question though. On X570, if put my Hyper m.2 V2 in my top PCIe 16_1 slot and my GPU in the 16_2 slot, would 4x4 bifurcation work? The compatibility chart makes it seem like it will (VIII Hero), but I would like to confirm.
Hi Jonathan Muller,
Nice to meet You! Much Appreciated! Only 2 M.2 NVMe Drives will be recognized. Not enough PCIe Resources since those 2 Slots share PCIe Lanes. Bummer, right. 4x4 Bifurcation is just that, 2 Drives. Remember, each M.2 NVMe SSD Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. Hence 2 Drives = 1 - x8 Slot, electrically. And using both Slots, they both share PCIe Resources therefor by using both, each becomes x8. Real hassle! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much! Asus compatibly chart is not totally clear on this and makes it seem like it could work, but the reality is that it cannot. In theory, it seems as though it "could" work if I put my GPU in my 16_3 slot, but that in itself will cause issues, and I was hoping I would make this work with my current platform. But it looks as though I would need to move to a HEDT.
HI@@ultimatebikekid,
Agreed. Vendors are obfuscating the details. And that makes what You want and should be able to do a real bummer. Hence, HEDT. And I'm a fan of the x570 Chipset, on paper. On implementation, not so much.
Try the Video card in the 3rd Slot. You'll have the same Bandwidth as if Your video were on Thunderbolt 3. Something else to ponder! Thanks for Asking! I'm here if You need more Computer help!
@@BuildOrBuy My needs just drastically changed and I wanted to see if I could make it work, but I am understanding this a lot more thoroughly now that I am in the process. Again, huge thank you for responding to me!
Hi@@ultimatebikekid,
Absolutely! Amazing how, many Channels do not respond to Comments. I don't get that. Stuff happens! Let Us know when You're ready to talk Chipsets. Thanks for Asking! Best Wishes!
Sir I can by far tell this is the most informative video I have ever seen in RUclips today.
But quick question though can I boot from that asus m.2 adapter even if I have an older motherboard??
Hi Ian, Nice to meet You! Thank You for Your Comments! I'm humbled.
Depends. With this type of M.2 NVMe card, You must have Bios support to Boot. Other option would be to get a self Bifurcated card with Boot PLX chip. Those are in the $300.00 range.
What's Your Motherboard Brand and Model. Be happy to look it up and check.
@@BuildOrBuy I have an h87m d3h sir. Unfortunately my main pcie x16 3.0 is occupied with a GPU. My other x16 is 2.0 and its only running at x4 speed.
Unfortunately I cant find any alternative method to boot from an NVME drive if I use an adapter without modify the BIOS. I really dont want to modify the BIOS it could breaky my system.
Hi@@iangabrielalcantara7756,
Thank You very Much! Really Appreciate your Comments! Agreed, a Modded Bios is dangerous! You can easily brick a Motherboard even using the correct Bios. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Unfortunately, that Motherboard is too old for this new Technology.
Gigabyte GA-H87M-D3H (rev. 1.x), according to Amazon, June 4, 2013.
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-H87M-D3H-rev-1x#ov
We need to talk about Chipsets when you're ready! Think about it. You've been running that Computer since Windows 7. That's been a while. You're due for an Upgrade!
I can show You a self Bifurcated Bootable M.2 NVMe card by High Point but it requires (1) x16 PCIe 3.0 Slot. That's in the $300.00 range in USA.
@@BuildOrBuy Oh okay sir thanks again. I am actually planning over to build my next rig. I found some decent Chinese motherboard like Huananzhi x99. That motherboard has m.2 nvme slot so I think I wont need this adapter anymore if I go to that upgrade path. Thanks again sir keep making detailed and informative videos for various tech solutions. Godspeed sir
Hi@@iangabrielalcantara7756,
You are most Welcome! Consider a HEDT like an x299 or x399. Don't go any lower than the x570 Chipset. Definitely! Thank You for Watching! Stay tuned! Blessings!
Great Video. I have a Asus z390 gaming motherboard. I did see support for "Hyper M.2 in the motherboard. So, Question, for none raid setup, do you think this card is worth to try and will it work?
Hi Terry Griffin,
Welcome! Not really. Why? Not enough CPU PCIe Lanes! You would be removing CPU Lanes from Your GPU. There are 9 variations of that Motherboard. You can verify Your Motherboard Version on the ASUS Bifurcation Chart below and see those Results.
www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/
Next issue, Restrictions:
2. For Z390 series Motherboard, install IRST version 16 or above to use RAID on CPU function. Only Intel SSDs can activate Intel RAID on CPU function in Intel platform. Hope that helps! Intel made that technology way more complicated and convoluted than it should have been! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for you reply. So if I wanted to add 2 more M.2 nmve drives, I am not planning on doing RAID. I will be for storing and playing my VST in Cubase. What do you suggest?I have 2 m.2 already. 1-boot drive, the other 2 T storage.Both are on the on-board m.2 slots. I have a AMD Radeon VII in the PCI-E slot for the GPU. Any suggestions will be a great help. I am lost on what to buy
Hi@@terrygriffin5201,
Understandable. That's why We do Motherboard Overviews regarding Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations. Every Motherboard is different. Which Motherboard and CPU do You have? We have to look at the Specs and Compare, Design to Implementation. Your GPU will end up in a X8 Slot due to Shared PCIe Resources. And this has nothing to do with RAID. We have several Videos Outlining what You're asking. After We look at Your Specifics You'll have possibly two options. A Bios Bifurcated AIC such as You're asking about. Or a Self Bifurcated AIC. A Bios Bifurcated AIC is the least expensive option.
BTW: Did You look at the ASUS Bifurcation Chart? That Chart will show You what's possible on Your Motherboard.
@@BuildOrBuy Greetings, and thanks for your reply. I have watched all of your content on this subject. I also looked at the chart on Asus' website regarding M.2 storage options and I am very familiar with the Z390-F Gaming motherboard by Asus, which I mentioned in the originally post. I know that it will bump the lanes for the AMD GPU down to x8 when I enable the Hyper m.2 option from the BIOS. I am not tied to just using the Asus Hyper M.2 card. I just want to look at my options in adding 2 more m.2 for my virtual instruments. Any thoughts specifically on adding M.2 as mentioned on this motherboard before I spend money. Thank you in advance for your knowledge
Hi@@terrygriffin5201,
To reiterate each of the 9 versions are different. Specifying ASUS Z390-F Gaming helps immensely! Without digging Since You understand Lane allocations and Bifurcation, You have several Options. All You want is JBOD! No RAID! Not Hardware nor Software RAID!
1. Bios Bifurcation AIC
2. Self Bifurcated AIC
The ASUS Quad card is of the Bios Bifurcated type. And the most prevalent. And least expensive way to ADD M.2 NVMe PCIe Storage.
Motherboard Manual Page 24 to reiterate Specifies Intel M.2 NVMe only!
According to Your Intel Chipset,
PCIEX16_1 would see 3 Drives. In postions 1, 3 & 4. Hence X8+X4+X4.
PCIEX16_2 would see 2 Drives. In positions 1 & 2. Hence X4+X4.
Verify using ASUS Bifurcation Chart.
If You want to use any Brand of M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives then You will NOT have a Bios Bootable Drive. Just FYI. Just JBOD!
PCIeX16_3 slot shares bandwidth with SATA6G_56. The PCIeX16_3 is set at x2
mode by default.
The Advantage of a Self Bifurcated AIC would be 4 Drives. Since You only want to ADD 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives, Bios Bifurcated AIC is Your Best option hence the ASUS Hyper Quad M.2 NVMe PCIe AIC. Keep the Motherboard and Quad card same brand otherwise if You ever Contact ASUS Tech support that will Eliminate a potential problem in their minds.
The 1st step is installing the card with 2 Drives. Once the Slot is configured and seen by the Bios, then proceed to Windows Disk Management to Initialize and Format. To reiterate, set Slot Configuration. Reboot. SEE Slot Configuration and verify in Bios seeing those 2 additional Drives! BIOS must see those Drives before the O/S does!
That should work!
Intel Z390 Chipset
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/133293/intel-z390-chipset/specifications.html
Intel RST is for RAID and You're not doing RAID! JBOD!
BTW: Since You only want to see 2 Drives and since You have full Bifurcation on that 2nd Slot, You could use the Supermicro Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter. However, no Heatsinks! Therfore suggest stick with the ASUS Hyper Quad M.2 NVMe PCIe AIC. Keep it Simple! Lots of Conversations to keep up with! We try! Appreciate Your Patience! Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! All about the Music! Especially for Virtual Instruments!
Hello.
I just wanted to say thanks for your video.
You do talk alot lol but your straight to the point and explain everything well. I have one of the hyper cards on the way but with your instructions I was able to install a generic 4 slot nvme card and get x four 2tb cards working.
I do have a question though. I have 3 PCIe x16 slots. One is taken up by my video card. Another taken up by this generic x4 nvme card. Am I able to install the Hyper m.2 aswell taking up the last port? Or will that create bottle necks in my pc?
Hello Dane,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Good Question! Depends. Which Motherboard are You Using?
@BuildOrBuy I've got the Asus x299 Tuff Mark 2
If you need to know any other specs I'm happy to answer
Hi@@daneayers7483,
The X299 started this capability to Bifurcate a PCIe Slot with PCIe 3.0.
ASUS X299 Tuff Mark 2
www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/others/tuf-x299-mark-2/
With 44 Lane CPU
1. X16 - PCIEX16_1
2. X16 - PCIEX16_2
3. X8 - PCIEX16_3
4. PCIEX4_1 max. at x2 mode
5. X1
The last X16 Slot, mechanically but only X8, electrically. To reiterate, You only have 2 X16 Slots, electrically. In that 3rd X16 Slot, Bifurcated, You'll see 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives on a Quad card.
For more PCIe Resources, You'll have to go from HEDT to Workstation. Hope that helps!
@BuildOrBuy Hello. Sorry I didn't see your msg. Bifurcate isn't in my bios I can see anywhere. So only 2 hd will be visible in the 3rd lane with a 4 slot card. Is it possible to just have 2 hd installed into the 4 card slots or does it need all 5 to work? I suppose I can just take 2 out and see
Great videos on the Hyper M.2 cards! I have been looking to find good info on them and your explanations are excellent. Thank you. I have a couple of questions regarding a build I’m looking to do with a Hyper M.2 Gen 4 card.
I’m looking to build a computer using an AMD 5900x or 5800x CPU, an ASUS Strix X570-E or ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero or Formula motherboard, and an ASUS Hyper M.2 Gen 4 card populated with two 0.5 TB NVMe drives and two 2.0 TB NVMe drives (all Western Digital PCIe 4.0 SN850’s).
In order to do this, I realize that the Hyper M.2 card will need to be installed in the PCIEX16_1 slot bifurcated x4, x4, x4, x4. I think that ASUS must have released a BIOS update for these motherboards in the last few days as the latest Hyper M.2 Gen 4 compatibility document (www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/) now shows up to 4 drives being supported in slot 1 for these motherboards, implying that bifurcation is now possible in that slot. Am I correct about this? Will I be able to get four NVMe drives on a Hyper M.2 board in that slot?
I understand that I will need to leave slot PCIEX16_2 empty (so that slot PCIEX16_1 gets all 16 PCIe lanes) which means that since I am using a 5000 series cpu, I will have to put my video card, a GeForce GT 1030 based card requiring 4 PCIe lanes, in slot PCIEX16_3. Is there any reason the video card won’t work in the chipset based, 4 lane PCIEX16_3 slot?
Assuming the above works, I’d like to use RAID 1 mirroring on the 0.5 TB and 2.0 TB NVMe drive pairs with the 0.5 TB volume being my boot drive. Will RAID 1 be supported in this configuration and be bootable? Do you recommend hardware-based RAID 1 via the BIOS or Windows based RAID 1?
I would just like to know that this configuration will work before I start buying parts as I am new to these technologies, although it is not my first computer build. Any guidance / info / confirmation you can provide is much appreciated!
Hi Chris Wilson,
Welcome! Nice to meet You! Thank You for Your Comments! My first concern would be that last x16 Slot. Do You actually get 4 PCIe Lanes? A possible shared Resource, just FYI. Otherwise, If OK, good to go! Video card should be OK. We have not tried it but no reason for that NOT to work on any of those 3 Motherboards. More a matter of PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0.
A Hybrid Bios RAID anything is bootable, yes!
We're going to have to do another Video about RAID Types and RAID Levels. Of the 3 types of RAID, Hardware RAID, Hybrid Bios RAID and O/S Software RAID, the Hybrid Bios RAID is the only one we've had fail.
Ever have a RAID Fail? Any RAID should exist in 3 places. Experience! With that being said...
The best option for RAID is a Hardware RAID like a MegaRAID card. Of the other 2 types of which are Your only options in this Configuration, if You want Bootable, Hybrid Bios RAID. If You don't mind a tad bit slower but safer, O/S Windows RAID.
I would suggest aiming higher for a HEDT, x399, TRX40 or WRX80 Build. Why? PCIe Resource allocation. Meaning, no Shared PCIe Resources!
1.) ASUS Strix X570-E - PCIe 4.0 x16_3 Slot shares bandwidth with PCIe x1_2.
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-model/
2.) ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero X570 - PCIe 3.0 x4 Slot on Chipset. Does not appeared to be shared.
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-dark-hero-model/
3.) ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Formula X570 - PCIe 4.0 x4 Slot on Chipset. Does not appeared to be shared.
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-formula-model/
Note: Two of those Motherboards have 3rd Slot on PCIe 4.0. Whereas one is PCIe 3.0 if that matters according to the PDF documentation. Based on that one feature alone, I'd go with the ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Formula X570. All 3 will Bifurcate the 1 x16 Slot. Hope that helps!
BTW: Your message just showed up today or else I would have answered sooner! RUclips did not send an email message nor did Your message show up, until today, in the Channel Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the response! No worries about the delay, I didn't get notified of your reply either.
So I kept researching my questions and pulled the trigger on my purchases before I got your response because I was able to snag an AMD 5950X cpu and an ASUS Crosshair VIII Dark Hero motherboard. Lucky me. I put the ASUS Hyper M.2 Gen 4 card in slot PCIEX_1, bifurcated x4x4x4x4, and put four Western Digital SN850's in the card. Slot PCIEX-2 was left empty. My Geforce GT1030 video card was installed in PCIEX_3. Motherboard M.2 sockets were left empty. After booting into the BIOS I was able to configure two RAID 1 mirror arrays, install Windows 10 and boot from one of them.
So it works exactly as I had hoped.
BTW, your video on Windows Bootable NVMe RAID 0 Tutorial on Gigabyte TRX40... (ruclips.net/video/U-KBgEXrWLA/видео.html) was invaluable for getting Windows loaded with the proper drivers installed. Couldn't have done it without this guidance!
Thanks again ! Well done!
Hi@@chriswilson8300,
I think RUclips is having a glitch. Just now found Your message. The 2 different Channel Views are not showing the same information. Odd. Sorry for not answering sooner!
AMD 5950X, 16 Cores - Good choice! Very lucky! Scare as hens teeth right now!
Perfect! Success! Thanks for sharing! Appreciate Your Support!
So none of these cards will work with the MSI MEG ACE x570 motherboard which holds 3 M2 SSD, and I wanted to add another 4 with this but I don't see it MSI at all in the list
Hi Edwin Gonzalez,
Welcome! There are two types of M.2 NVMe x16 PCIe Add in cards.
1. Those like this one that require Motherboard Bifurcation.
2. Those that are Self Bifurcated. In other words, they have a PLX chip that does the Lane Switching for the M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives.
That's why We talk about different Chipsets and their respective capabilities or limitations due to limited PCIe Resources such as You have on Your Motherboard.
You require a Self Bifurcated M.2 NVMe x16 PCIe Add in card. Glotrends Sky. We have a Video on that here: ruclips.net/video/QF71-5nhrAk/видео.html
Link in Video Description for Product. Hope that helps!
Good job. Hopefully someone who has had problems with this card or Gigabyte's version can finally get their system working. The manuals for these cards are terrible and don't go into explaining bifurcation. Seems to me that is the root cause of why so many people have had problems with them. Rule #1 , never trust anything to "auto" in the BIOS to ALWAYS work.. a little research does wonders. Thanks again.
Hi John Smith, Agreed. Too much taken for granted. Most Documentation for this is abysmal to say the least. We're working on Our Windows RAID Tutorial video right now and we'll share peculiarities encountered using both PCIe 3.0 and PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe cards in RAID 0 and RAID Volume (JBOD).
This next video should do two things. 1. Simplify the How To process. 2. Identify key areas where Installing Windows RAID can fail and how to resolve those issues. Simple! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy I'll be sure to watch the next video then.
Hi@@That_Stealth_Guy, Editing that Video at this very moment!
Hi! Amazing video with lots of useful information, and very well explained! Congratularions. I have a question though: How can I make sure my motherboard (Aorus Z390 Ultra with i7-9900k) will support this piece of hardware (V2 version)? My idea is to populate it with 4x WD SN850 NVMe drives. Motherboard supports Intel IRST feature apparently. Ideally I would like to set those drives as a Raid 1 of 2x 2TB disks set as JBOD. Is that possible? I mean, "merge 2x 2TB disks into one JBOD, and make it Raid with the other pair of sticks. Thank you so much for your input!
Hi Laurens Velasco
Welcome! This really requires a video response, give me some time. My Allergies have been giving me fits! In the mean time, I don't think You have enough PCIe Resources to go around. I'll explain in my response as We look at the Problems and Solutions.
@@BuildOrBuy This are the specs of my MoBo, anthough the Bios detects PCI-e 3.0 @ 8x / 8x when plugged into Pciex8, or x4 x4 when plugged into PCIEX4. Never got windows to recognise more than 1 disk :( If my MoBo would not support this card, which alternative would you suggest? Maybe OWC Accelsior? Or rather replacing the motherboard instead? Thank you!
Expansion Slots
1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16)
* For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot.
1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x8 (PCIEX8)
* The PCIEX8 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX16 slot. When the PCIEX8 slot is populated, the PCIEX16 slot operates at up to x8 mode.
1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4)
* The PCIEX4 slot shares bandwidth with the M2P connector. The PCIEX4 slot operates at up to x2 mode when a PCIe SSD is installed in the M2P connector.
3 x PCI Express x1 slots
(All of the PCI Express slots conform to PCI Express 3.0 standard.)
1 x M.2 Socket 1 connector for an Intel® CNVi wireless module only (CNVI)
Those PCIE4.0 x16 Gen4 cards make WiCKED fast Chia plotting drives. 70 plots a day!
Hi JoeVSvolcano,
We hear mining Chia is destroying the Media.
@@BuildOrBuy The final plot destination drives 16-18TB only get written to once, so there is no issue there but the demand has obscenely raised prices over the last 60days. The cheap NVME's people were using to plot were literally burning up. Old NVME's were not made for constant writes, reads, erase, writes, etc. Naturally, because of this, there is a HUGE run on enterprise-class SSD's and NVME's with 3000+ TBW ratings.
The Samsung 970 & 980 PRO's, for instance, are selling like hotcakes and the new SP Silicone power sticks which are more affordable sell out as soon as they're put on the market. It's a madhouse of TMP storage buying right now.
The PCIE4.0 Gen4 NVME X4 is also sold out everywhere so people are buying the Asus B550 Mobo's with that card bundled for $300+ just so they can pull the card out of it.
Hi@@JoeVSvolcano,
Thanks for Sharing Your insight and experience. Appreciate that clarification. What about the GPUs? What have You heard?
We have another M.2 NVMe AIC coming! From China. The Vendor on Amazon supplying the AIC was having trouble sourcing chips. Curious to know how well it performs compared to the Gigabyte and ASUS M.2 AICs. The JEYI iHyper-Pro M.2 X16 to 4X PCIE 4.0 GEN4. One of Our Subscribers was asking about it. Never heard of it until they asked. Stay tuned!
You sir are fantastic! I love the level of detail, thank you very much!
Hi DaKi_B,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments!
This kind of reviewer deserves millions of subscribers !!
Hi malaengsarbdigital,
Welcome! I'm honored! Thank You for Your Comments! Very much Appreciated! Thank You for Watching!
also works on the C246 chipset just fine
Hi Dirk Hoeppner,
Welcome! PCIe 3.0, Bifurcation, Xenon E - 8 CPU Cores, Yes! Thanks for Sharing! Appreciate Your Comments!
Awesome video, what is the maximum capacity of the M2 that you can install ? I would like to get this with 4x8TB M2
Hi l'illustre,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comment! Excellent Question! Since there is no bridge chip or translation / interface chip, the M.2 NVMe Add in cards should accept the maximum capacity which is currently 8TBs from Corsair, Sabrent or VisionTek.
Highpoint has the largest Capacity M.2 NVMe Add in card with 8 M.2 NVMe Drives.
BTW: The NVMe standard has a theoretical maximum storage capacity of 75.2 ZB. Whew! We have a ways to go! Now that's a wild amount of storage capacity! Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
Like an old 'hints from heloise' newspaper column but store your 2mm screws on the many open threaded holes for later usage.
Hi Worthington,
Welcome! Once lost, never found! Be Forewarned! Newer Motherboards are no longer using those detachable screws opting for a twist mechanism! But alas, as long as there are Quad cards, We will still have those tiny pesky screws to persist! Patience is the order of the day during assembly! Appreciate Your Comments!
The information density of your videos are great!
Could you finised the "how to restore the foreign drive" video what you mentioned on this video? I could not find it.
PS: I am bulding first HEDT and your video is extremly helpfull! Thank You!
-3975wx
-ASUS® Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE
-RTX 3090
Hi UNKNOWN,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! In the works! On the short List! Thunderbolt 4 and the WRX80 took center stage for the moment! Thanks for Asking! Appreciate your patience!
Outstanding! Welcome to the HEDT Platform! Smart Choice! All the way around! Fantastic GPU! Which one? 3 Slot? Do You have Your PSU? This is exciting news! And keep Us posted on Your Progress!
We have a Premiere tomorrow for the Gigabyte Aorus M.2 vs the ASUS Hyper x16 M.2 NVMe AICs - Speed and Heat Test. Both are PCIe 4.0. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy
For PSU:
CORSAIR 1600W PRO
GPU:
ZOTAC RTX 309
It is a prebuild. I am living in Germany and the rtx 3090 prices are crazy high +3000€
In this setup I will get for 1900€. I find it a great deal.
I do buy some parts separatelly, because those are cheaper.
The whole config is -8510€
3975WX prebuild CONFIG -6150
Samsung 980 Pro M.2 2TB -370
Samsung 980 Pro M.2 2TB -370
Samsung 980 Pro M.2 1TB -170
HYPER M.2 X16 GEN 4 CARD -82
Kingston 256GB -1 368
The system will be dual boot Win + Linux
Win for all around
Linux for Davinci
Hi@@UNKW0N, Outstanding! Sounds like You made a wise choice! Congrats! Thanks for Sharing Your Specs!
Great video. Do you know if it's possible to bifurcate one of the 8x slots on the Designare into two 4x slots? Would like to run the GC-Titan Ridge card and a 10 gig NIC from the same slot. This because many new GPUs are so wide that they block one of the 8x slots, as highlighted in one of your earlier videos.
Splitting those 8x slots could also allow more CPU direct NVME SSDs. As the Thunderbolt card is only 4x, and wastes half of the provided lanes.
Hi Michael V,
Interesting Question. Crazy right? Glad You've asked. You make a very valid point about PCIe Resources. Only one Add in card (AIC) per Slot even if Bifurcated. There's more signaling going on the PCIe Bus than just Bifurcation for Slot and Lane assignment.
There are Riser Cables. Successful on PCIe 3.0. Rare right now on PCIe 4.0 that would give Us access to a Slot otherwise blocked. Crazy stuff going on when You think about it. Amazing how changing one thing can change everything!
When we Test the Capture and Streaming cards, that too will drive home that fact about a x 4 card in an x8 Slot. We just need more Slots! PCIe 5.0 may be the game changer for that problem. Some of these problems now, the only way to deal with is to have 2 Computers simply because we don't have enough PCIe Resources! Hence the WRX80 for now with 7 PCIe 4.0 x16 Slots! Coming in March 2021! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy Yes, am going to try a riser cable to claw back that blocked slot. But there are 16x PCIe riser cards that turn a 16x into 4 4x PCIe slots, or 2 8x Slots. Most are designed for enterprise use or for crypto mining rigs, but since the TRX40 boards support bifurcation in bios, suspect they may indeed work to allow up to 4 4x PCIe cards on the TRX40's 2 8x slots.
Hi@@Trevellian,
Yes! We've seen those. 1.) The Mounting. 2.) PCIe 4.0. Those still seem to be flaky. Solid for PCIe 3.0. Keep Us posted on Your Progress. Especially when You come across one that works consistently on PCIe 4.0 and the Mount! In time. I would suspect this might be easier to do on the WRX80 due to being a Workstation class Motherboard. We'll be on the lookout too!
@@BuildOrBuy For now, will only focus on PCIe 3.0, as both the Titan Ridge card and 10 gig NICs are all PCIe 3.0, as are most other PCIe cards. Mounting could be a hack unless one of the vertical GPU mounts will suffice. But the Titan Ridge and NICs are small, lightweight cards. Some industrial velcro should keep them in place.
Hi@@Trevellian, Agreed. Man with a mission! Since You know what You're doing, I'll double check Bios tomorrow and let You know. On smartphone right now. This should be an interesting Build with velcro!
Ive been really irritated with these cards . the gen 4 calls itself RAID ON CHIP , ive been looking for days for how to get into the web face gui , am i understanding there is no gui to set up the raid at the hardware level ?
Hi NerdLabs 001,
Intel VROC giving You fits? RAID has to be setup from the Bios. Hybrid Bios RAID. Intel VROC has very specific parameters to deal with. Need help? Tell Us about Your Motherboard Model and CPU. We'll look it up and see what We can make of it! Hope that helps!
Hello sir its great video
i have Asus Tuf X570 Gaming with amd 3900x
if i buy Asus, Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2 GEN 4
can i use 4 difrents NWME m2 ssd on second PCI slot or i have to change GPU to second PCı than this card put to FİRst PCi slot? which Method is works on x570?
thank you
Hi Jaydee Joy,
Nice To meet You! Thank You for Your Comments!
Asus Tuf X570 Gaming
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS/specifications/
1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 mode - electrically)
1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (max at x4 mode - electrically)
You'll have to install the Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2 GEN 4 (PCIe 4.0) in 1st and only x16 Slot - x16 Electrically and Mechanically. Video card will would have to go in 2nd x16 Slot. 2nd x16 Slot is only x4 electrically although mechanically x16.
And in that Configuration, You would see all 4 M.2 NVMe Drives. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you. İt's helped to much. When gpu install to 2nd PCI , will I lose any performance , I have rtx 2070s. Thank you.
@@BananaBeach519 Yes. From x16 to x4. Depends upon what You're doing with Your RTX 2070. Test and verify to see if You notice any performance degradations. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Yes Sir i ll test Gpu with second PCI before buy Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2 GEN 4. just rendering and game. thank you. and i m gonna buy CRX4 Speaker after your video.
and Sir i am asking to much question sorry for this
i found in amazon i think its Gen 3 (Asus Hyper M.2 X16 Card V2 ) this card can work 2nd PCi slot with 4 nvme(gen3) thank you
Dear SIR ,
Thank you for your exceptionally informative video.
I apologize in advance , if this has been asked again and again.
I own an ASUS X99 Deluxe II motherboard PCI 3.0 ..... Is the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2 compatible with my own motherboard. I cannot find any information on that.
I Truly appreciate your time.
Hi Hollwood-Wedding-Films.com,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Solving Problems and Providing Solutions! Your Motherboard does not Support Bios Bifurcation. Options:
1. Get a Bios Mod. Travel at Your own risk! Your Results may vary!
2. Use a Self Bifurcated card. Need a List?
3. New Build. Newer Motherboard.
That's OK. You Ask, We Answer! Hope that helps!
I have new x299 asus mobo, 48 lane cpu 10980xe, and with rtx3090 in slot 1, and Hyper M2 v2 in slot 3 I get only 8x (2x m2 drives) instead of 4x M2. Slot 2 disabled, why no 16x in slot 3 ? However, if I install in slot 2 (anabled) I get 4xm2 16x, bit not in slot 3. I did a stripped 4x 1tb m2 for virtual RAID 0 and I get 13000/13000 ! (Slot 2).
Hi VideoByPatrick,
Welcome! Which x299 ASUS Motherboard are You using? We have to know Specifics to be helpful.
Hi VideoByPatrick,
Your Motherboard: Asus x299 Prime Deluxe II with Thunderbolt 3 - Nice Motherboard!
amzn.to/3iPRPov
www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-x299-deluxe-ii/
48 Lane CPU
- 3 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16, x16/x16, x16/x16/x8)
According to Your PCIe Resources,
PCIex16_1 = x16 Electrically.
PCIex16_2 = x16 Electrically.
PCIex16_3 = x8 Electrically.
Which RTX 3090? How many Slots Wide? More than 3 1/2 Slots Wide? Hope that helps! Details matter! Thanks for Asking!
Great video ! bought this after seeing this.
I do have an issue tho that I don't find the answer for so I hope you can help.
I have 2 NVMe drives with the V2 of this card. the drives just don't show up in the BIOS ? they do show up in Windows.
Now I cannot set those drives in RAID. Any ideas what I should do?
Using an Asus PRIME x399-A with a Treadripper 2970WX, slot is set to Bifurcation (used a 16 lane slot) so that all seem to be fine , just not seeing them in BIOS is weird
Hi J B,
Welcome! Thank You very much for Your Comments! Then see in Bios under Boot Devices. In RAID if doing Hybrid Bios RAID. Agreed, M.2 NVMe Drives don't show up like SATA does.
Which RAID are You trying to do? Hybrid Bios RAID or Windows RAID? Are You trying to do a Windows Bootable RAID? Details matter! We have two other Videos that might help on this - Windows Bootable RAID and Non typical RAID. Let me know, here to help! Just need clarification!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the quick response! I'm pretty new to RAID so I just wanted to add those drives together in RAID 0 for the combined storage and speed. But because they did not show up in BIOS I tought something was wrong. I have a different m.2 with my WIndows OS installed (that one does show up in BIOS) so I do not need a bootable RAID
Hi@@JB-jx3qf, Ok! Let Us know when You have anymore Computer questions! Thanks for Watching!
Truly the best video, very great teacher, thank you sir
Hi Ricardo Viatruso,
Welcome! I'm honored! Thank You for Your Comments! Bifurcation usually presents a problem for most Consumer Desktop Motherboards. We always have to check and verify every Motherboard asked about.
I hope you can answer this question if you want to. I've got a Hyper x16 V2 installed with two m.2 nvme drives installed. I'm running an Asus z370 motherboard. I feel like I could swap out the V2 card for a Gen 4, and the Intel chipset would still recognize the upgraded card without having to install new Hyper x16 Gen 4 drivers.
Hi William Blake,
Welcome! Excellent Question! Here to help! You're only capable of what Your Chipsets allows. Meaning? You Motherboard Chipset is z370. That's PCIe 3.0. To utilize PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe Drives requires a Motherboard Chipset that supports that Spec. To reiterate, if You want PCIe 4.0, get a Motherboard that supports PCIe 4.0. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
I have the Asus Dark Hero VIII x570 board, 5900X cpu, and a 3090 FE card. So is there anyways I can run my 3090 FE card @ x16 speed and still have a Hyper M.2 card with all 4 SSDs? I'm guessing the answer is NO, but I just want to clarify it with you.
Hi Viett,
Unfortunately, You have the same problem as other x750 Motherboards face. Not enough PCIe Lanes! You need a HEDT like the TRX40 for those PCIe Lanes.
Asus Dark Hero VIII x570 board
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-dark-hero-model/spec
To the CPU
- 2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
Though the Chipset
- 1 x PCIe 4.0 x4
- 1 x PCIe 4.0 x1
Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
good advance information good editing well spoken plain English = I subscribe for sure 😊
Hi vargasmongo3435,
Nice to meet You! Thank You for Your Comments! Welcome! Much Appreciated!
Gill you are the man.
Hi Alex & Tracy Thaxton,
We have created several Videos about the different Quad x16 M.2 NVMe PCIe Add in cards, Dual M.2 NVMe Adapters and of course the 6 Drive Amfeltec Add in card. Amazing Reponses to what We thought would be an esoteric subject, in the beginning! Not at all! Our first Video on this Topic with a Quad x16 M.2 NVMe PCIe and x399 Chipset has over 100k Views! Appreciate Your Support!
ASUS Hyper M2 X16 NVMe Quad card plus four Samsung 970s - AMD NVMe RAID 0 Upgrade
ruclips.net/video/x5G-zciner4/видео.html
Enjoy!
Thank you sir . Very interesting to me and a others.
Hi@@alextracythaxton5796
Glad We could help and Share what We know! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Is there any real practical reason to use a Hyper m.2 card other than a RAID (& PCI-E 5.0) if your motherboard supports them natively?
Hi Alex Ellington,
RAID can do three things. 1. Aggregate Drives for Capacity. 2. Enhance Speed. 3. Redundancy of Data if so configured but no one does anymore!
Currently the largest M.2 NVMe Drive is 8TBs. 8TBs x 4 = 32TBs or just under that due to overhead. Depends upon the Project. There are 3 types of RAID. 1. Hardware. 2. Software. And that can be broken down to either a Hybrid Bios Bootable RAID (Faster) or OS RAID (Slower but easier to deal with). Anyone who really needs RAID should be looking and waiting for Hardware RAID. These Quad Adapters are like JBOD, Just a Bunch of Disks if You need it and everyone seems to want it! By default an I/O Card. With Bios support, RAID. But I question if they need it. Depends. VMs, Databases, etc. Rendering, no. Rendering is about Processing Power! Great Question! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much for taking the time out to answer my question. Let me be more specific: is there any performance enhancement or degradation running a single m.2 direct-to-CPU on the motherboard as opposed to running on a PCI-E riser card? Or are they the same?
HI@@fade2black244,
Absolutely! We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions! Now that's a bit different. First, M.2 NVMe direct to CPU is the fastest. Second would be on a PCIe Slot to the CPU. Third would be through the Chipset. Different yes. Noticeable, no. The greatest difference would be in RAID. The fastest would be whatever the Slowest is capable of. A chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Primary, Stick to the M.2 NVMe to CPU! Hope that helps!
HP Z8 G4 workstation: 16X pci 3.0 supports bifurcation in the bios. Would the V2 card work? If so what are the fastest M.2 NVMe choice? Thanks so much!
Hi@@JensonRiley-i5q,
Welcome. Your Chipset will be the fastest an M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive can perform. Larger cache will help. V2 card, same issue. Your lowest common denominator is your Motherboard Chipset. Get an M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive that meets your price performance ratio. Larger M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives tend to perform better than the smaller Drives. What capacity M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive are you going to utilize?
i want one of these in my spare pcie slot (16)
intel z490 motherboard lga 1200 socket
haven't found out if it supports bifurcation
thanks for the upload
Hi PokemonCrystal,
Thank You for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments! The definitive source, is here below from ASUS. That being said, on an ASUS z490 Motherboard, the most You might see would be 3 PCIe M.2 NVMe SSD Drives, but not all 4. The z490 Chipset does not have enough PCIe Resources. Any other brand of Motherboard would require a Bios Update or Bios Mod. ASUS has done more than any other Manufacturer to make this technology work with their Motherboards.
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507
We suggest using the Glotrends Sky card. Video here:
ruclips.net/video/QF71-5nhrAk/видео.html
Self Bifurcating. Requires 1 x8 Slot, electrically. For PCIe 3.0. There currently are NOT any PCIe 4.0 M.2 Quad cards for PCIe 4.0, self Bifurcating that requires 1 x8 Slot. They are all currently requiring 1 x16 Slot. And if You had a x16 Slot, You would not need a self Bifurcating card. A conundrum or an enigma. Go figure. Sometimes I wonder what Vendors are thinking. It's like they did not think things through.
Hey, will intel optane memory work on Dell T7910 (Broadwell Processor)...
Hi BSDas,
Welcome! Doubtful. Dell T7910, 5th Generation. "Intel Optane memory is a system acceleration solution for 7th Generation Intel Core Processor-based platforms or later," Bummer!
Intel Optane Memory: Before You Buy, Key Requirements
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000023994/memory-and-storage/intel-optane-memory.html
Hope that helps!
hi i have a Asus x79-deluxe will one work manuel says 3 x pci express 3.0 x 16 (www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/X79DELUXE/HelpDesk_Manual/ page 8 thanks link please
Hi Popsvlog,
Wow! Just now seeing Your Comment! RUclips never informed Us! I'm seeing this through the RUclips Dashboard! Are You asking about the PCIe Resources on Your Motherboard to utilize an ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Quad AIC? Your Motherboard does not support PCIe Bifurcation in the Bios / UEFI. Your Options: 1. You would need a self Bifurcated AIC. 2. Otherwise, You would need a Bios Mod. We do not do that nor do We recommend that. A Bios Mod on that Chipset means PCIe Resources would have to be reallocated. In other words taken away from something so You could have Bios Bifurcation. Hope that helps! Sorry for not responding sooner! Thanks for Asking!
thanks for the video man! i have an old dell t5610. i use ssd right now but my disk always at 100% when doing simulation in solidworks. i know i can't use m.2 for boot for this device but i found a way using clover. i'm curious can i use this card doing 0-1 raid array?
Hello Man Ray,
Welcome! Good Question! Yes, IF Your Motherboard Supported Bifurcation but it does not therefor You can not unless You try a Bios Mod. Depends upon Chipset and if You're willing to try. X79 Chipset? Guessing. You'll have to look to Verify Chipset. A Bios Mod would allow a reallocation of CPU PCIe Lanes on an older Chipset. Be careful! Even a legit Bios Update can brick a Motherboard! Your Results may vary. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy well it doesn't work, i think i need a card with bifurcation. do you have any alternative beside sonnet that do well with raid 0-1? thank you sir
Hello@@manray8513,
Do You have PCIe 3.0? What's Your Motherboard? Easier to be Specific.
@@BuildOrBuy it's dell t5610 sir
Hi@@manray8513,
Ok. According to Dell, PCIe 3.0. Good. Slot 2 and Slot 4 are X16, electrically. Also good. Options below.
1. HighPoint Technologies Highpoint SSD7105 - PCIe 3.0 x16 Fully Bootable 4-Port M.2 NVMe
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This card above is Bootable.
2. Glotrends Sky 4-Bay M.2 NVME Adapter, Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard, Soft RAID, PCIE 3.0 X8 Bandwidth, Full Aluminum Panel with Built-in Fan (Sky)
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As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! Glotrends Sky is unique in that it works in a X8 PCIe Slot, electrically. Your Slot1 is PCIe X8. And is Bootable. Hope that helps!
Informative as always been wanting to stick this in my storage server
Hi Nikolai,
Welcome. Appreciate your comment. Great idea if your Motherboard supports Bios Bifurcation and has a X16 Slot with 16 PCIe Lanes available.
@@BuildOrBuy it’s a dell precision tower I rack mounted with a c422 chipset I believe it supports xeons and x299 chips, I’ll check the bios tomorrow snd make sure it supports 4x4 bifurcation but the manual says it does. You were a great help when I was looking at getting TB3 add in cards working properly on an x570 system I have.
Hi@@NikolaiCherepanov,
Nice. Bifurcation uses CPU PCIe Lanes. It should be supported. TB3 was a lot simpler to implement. TB4 USB 4 has tighter Specs and is Vendor specific. Appreciate the Update.
@@BuildOrBuy I’m still trying to get proxmox to properly pass it through to a windows VM but from my reading and research due to the fact it uses CPU lanes it’s very tricky to get working properly
@@BuildOrBuy Bought the Gen3 V2 and put it in the Dell 5820 and it worked flawlessly out of the box, the PCIE slot automatically bifurcated to 4x 4 Lanes and all drives were recognized.
thanks my man you remind me of my grandfather
Hi gold 4 boomers doge 4 mooners,
Welcome! I'm honored! Love Your Family while You can. Blessings. Thank You for Watching!
I cannot get the 2nd M.2 disc to recognise on Expansion Card V2. I have the ASUS Z97-PRO Gamer Socket 1150 Motherboard with PCI Express 3.0 support
Hi Jag 1010,
Nice to meet You! ASUS Z97-PRO Gamer - Your Motherboard does not support Bifurcation. Would require a Bios Mod. We do not advise that. Instead get a self Bifurcated card like the Glotrends Sky card. We have Video on that card. Requires a x8 Slot. PCIe 3.0 only. There are currently NO PCIe 4.0 self Bifurcated cards that work on a x8 Slot.
www.asus.com/supportonly/Z97-PRO%20GAMER/HelpDesk_Download/
www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/
Glotrends Sky card:
ruclips.net/video/QF71-5nhrAk/видео.html
Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the quick response, this helps alot,
In addition i am thinking about an upgrade as its due and will likely go for the TRX40, you mentioned , good price, and specs.
Learnt something new from your video, how misleading the PCIE lane speeds are. with the power distribution in play.
Hi@@Jag-ws5ue, Absolutely! Especially important when making purchasing decisions or diagnosing a problem.
Vendors love to quote Specs hoping Users perceive what is Burst mode as actual Throughput irrespective of Overhead. Like PCIe 3.0 and Thunderbolt 3. We're working on a Video about Thunderbolt 4 that further highlights that aspect. Thanks for watching!
When You get ready to Build Your TRX40, let Us know if You need another set of eyes on that Spec. Congrats on Your decision!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks again, and will let you know when I start the build.
Hi@@Jag-ws5ue, You are most welcome! Outstanding!
Hello, I wanted to know if I can install only one Kingston FURY Renegade 2TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSD drive in my Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe using Asus Hyper X16 V1-2?
Hello aquarius1098,
Welcome! Interesting Question. Looking over Your Specs...
ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe
www.asus.com/us/supportonly/p8z77v_deluxe/helpdesk_knowledge/
According to Your Motherboard Specs, Primary or 1st Slot claims to be PCIe 3.0. That would depend upon CPU. Otherwise, PCIe 2.0. That Slot is X16, mechanically but X8, electrically. Therefore X8 Lanes, electrically.
Intel Z77 Chipset - 2012
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/64024/intel-z77-express-chipset/specifications.html
Chipset is PCIe 2.0; X8 PCIe Lanes; Supports X1, X2, X4.
Definite maybe but doubtful. ASUS Quad card would have to be in Slot 1. Onboard GPU?
M.2 NVMe requires PCIe 3.0. An M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive can be used on 2 PCIe Lanes. When M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives 1st became available, there were a few Motherboards revised to accommodate that technology. However, Depends upon Chipset configuration. Your Chipset predates all of that.
ASUS Bifurcation Charts
www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/
servers.asus.com/support/faq/detail/1037507
Intel Z77 Chipset is not listed on any ASUS Bifurcation Charts.
Based on the age of Your Motherboard, the only way to be absolutely certain would be to Test and Verify. During the Bootstrap process, expect Motherboard to hang during Boot-up since it would not understand how to allocate PCIe Resources.
Hope that helps.
@@BuildOrBuy I have a i7-3770k and a RTX 3060 Ti. that is, only the first slot where my video card is located meets the requirement?
Hi@@aquarius1098,
Correct. To sum it up, not enough PCIe Resources. You can try and see what happens. But You'll have some idea of what and why. You need a newer Motherboard with more PCIe Lanes. There have been Bios Mods to make this work. Where essential PCIe Lanes are reallocated by turning something else off. This has been done on the Intel X79 Chipset. We're not aware of anyone trying that or if it's even possible on Your Chipset. Bummer, right. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much for your answer and for paying attention to my question! Then I'd better take a regular sata ssd
Hi@@aquarius1098,
Absolutely! That's Your best Option on that Motherboard with that Chipset. Until You can Upgrade. You'll be pleased with the Performance Upgrade with an SSD!
Excellent video, thank you very much. Please help me with the following: I have a motherboard: ROG STRIX TRX40-XE GAMING. The 4 PCIe x16 slots are running in mode: x4,x4,x4,x4 and I need to configure a RAID 5 with the 4 NVMe, is it possible? Additionally I will install an AMD RADEON RX 6900 16GB GDDR6 GPU. Can I use the PCIEX16_2? Thanks again.
Hi Claudio Donoso,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments!
ASUS ROG Strix TRX40-E
rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-trx40-xe-gaming-model/
To CPU:
3 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16/x16/x16)
See details in PDF Manual on Page 24.
PCIex16_1
PCIex16_2
PCIex16_3 -
Through Chipset:
1 x PCIe 4.0 x4
See details in PDF Manual on 75.
PCIex16_1 Bandwidth x4+x4+x4+x4 [Bifurcation]
PCIex16_2 Bandwidth
PCIex16_3 Bandwidth
Info on Page 24 contradicts Info on Page 75. Those 3 Slots to CPU should be x16, electrically. If However Info on page 24 is correct then that might be a problem for GPU if You want PCIex16_2 to be x16 Electrically. To reiterate, appears Yes You can Use but whether x16, You'll have to try it and let Us know!
According to the PDF Manual, RAID 0, 1 and RAID 10. I think AMD added RAID 5 through a Bios Update. I do not know for certain if Your Motherboard has RAID 5. It should. Gigabyte does on TRX40 Designare from Bios Update.
According to AMD RAID:
www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-ryzen-raid-2-08-12-400
drivers.amd.com/relnotes/amd-raidxpert2_user_guide.pdf
RAID5 is listed. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
For a rescued Dell T3600 (C600 series chipset) with Xeon E5-1620 (40 PCIe 3.0 lanes) with Quadro K6000 in the first PCIe x 16 slot, will this work in the second PCIe 3.0 x16?
Hi john hazel, Looks like that system does not have Bios support for NVMe nor Bifurcation support. From 2013 or earlier? Four options:
1. Hardware RAID Card, MegaRAID.
2. Self Bifurcated card.
3. Moded Bios.
4. There's a workaround for getting NVMe support. It's a bit convoluted and no guarantees using Clover Boot Utility.
www.win-raid.com/t2375f50-Guide-NVMe-boot-without-modding-your-UEFI-BIOS-Clover-EFI-bootloader-method.html
Is there any difference between u.2 Nvme ssd connected to the motherboard vs the ones that are connected as pcie AIC? Does one have any advantage over the other?
Hi Numan,
U.2 is an Intel, Enterprise technology. And a Resource hog. Larger 2.5 inch size form factor like an SSD only faster. Big idea 5 years ago! Now only found on HEDTs and Workstations. Larger Form Factor than M.2, and originally was larger capacity. M.2 is now at 8TBs per Drive for Consumers. U.2 is now at 16TBs per Drive. U.2 Specs look great! Prices are ridiculous! PCIe Gen 3. U.2 Connectors require a Cable (Power and Data like SATA) whereas M.2 NVMe is a direct Device connection. M.2 NVMe is PCIe 4.0. Usually U.2 Connectors share Resources meaning something else gets shut off like SATA ports or PCIe Slots or both. U.2 was a great idea. Past tense. M.2 is a better idea. Present tense. For the best Price / Performance, stick with M.2 NVMe.
U.2 Connectors are typically in pairs. A typical HEDT or Workstation Motherboard will have 2 to 3 M.2 Connectors, some have as many as 4 M.2s. The greater question is the Connection. Direct to CPU or through Chipset. Shared or Dedicated Resource. And HotSwap / Hot Plug... M.2 can do that too!
Now for U.2 direct to Motherboard vs U.2 AIC. The Connection... To CPU, AIC then Chipset. Either way, each Device requires 4 PCIe Lanes. A U.2 AIC for 2 U.2 Connectors would require a x8 Slot. Anything less would be a self Bifurcating AIC.
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Excellent Question! Almost needed a Video for that one! Hope that helps!
WOW!! Very interesting and you talk very precisely! Now I understand more. I think. XD In case I buy a TRX-40 and the asus gen4 and I want to have the graphics card at x16, and there are other 2 x8 slots, then I should put just 2 m.2 per each x8 slot, right? (+ set at the bios x4x4 each x8 slot in case it is not automatic) But, is it required to put the m.2 at the asus on specific order or not?
Hi Mitxel Sadaba,
Thank You for Your Comments! If You're getting ready to Build, Welcome to the TRX40 platform! Just so You know, the Threadripper Pro WRX80 has just become available on NewEgg!
This Video is specific to the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare. We do not know if the same issues apply to the ASUS TRX40 Motherboards. However, based on what we do know, this is something to be aware of. We are not finished with this subject and will update when we have more info to share!
With PCIe Slot and Lane assignments, this was a most interesting process to diagnose, test and verify. Very convoluted to run out of PCIe Resources. There is either a Bus prioritization or Bus dependency issue. We think a Bios update can resolve this problem.
As to Your Question, If using an M.2 NVMe Add in Card, pay attention to the details. Everything matters! Of this type of M.2 NVMe card, they all require 1 x16 Slot, electrically to accommodate 4 M.2 NVMe Drives since each M.2 NVMe Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. The x8 slots could be used for a self Bifurcated M.2 NVMe card.
The Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card is unique to the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard since that Motherboard has the TB3 Header to allocate Memory for the card.
ASUS has just announced their Thunderbolt 4 add in card. Not enough details yet to know enough about System requirements. Hope this helps! Thanks for Watching!
www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/ThunderboltEX-4/
@@BuildOrBuy Sorry, but I am not an expert in your language (or even building computers XD ) Are you saying that I am right? And also advising on buying another product instead of the Asus? Because I would waste 2 m.2 ports per each Asus? Well, if that is the case, I don't know. I was just thinking that if I buy this product with 2 m.2 per each x8 slot free, in the future with more x16 slots with another motherboard I would recycle the Asus and also add 2 m.2 so I would have 8 m.2 . But for the moment it seems that the 16x slot is needed for the graphics card (in my case) and I don't find gen4 adapters cards.
Hi@@mr_nemo24, You are correct! However. Better to use 2nd x16 Slot for 4 M.2 NVMe Drives. Both ASUS and Gigabyte make an M.2 NVMe Quad card, PCIe 4.0. Hope that helps.
@@BuildOrBuy the problem is that the graphics card that I want just leaves 1cm aproximately at that 2nd x16 slot and I think it doesn't fit. That's why I ask about x8 slots.
@@BuildOrBuy wow! Nevermind! The card fits (it was a x8 slot at the middle wich I thought it was the x16 XDDD) Thanx!!!
Am i understanding correctly that I can run my GPU in the x16 slot, and 2 nvme m.2 drives within this card, in a x8 slot?
Hi Samphaa7,
Yes! However, Your Motherboard Bios must support Bifurcation. Otherwise, You would need a self Bifurcating Card.
Thanks for helping clarify for me PCI bifurcation. Hoping to use this card in an HP Z820
Hi TGS Partners,
Welcome! Does not look like the HP Z820 Supports Bifurcation. Bummer. Highpoint makes Self Bifurcated cards that would work. They have both 4 & 8 Drive cards. Links below.
1. Highpoint SSD7101A-1 NVMe 4-Port M.2
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2. Highpoint SSD7103 - PCIe 3.0 x16 4-Port M.2 NVMe RAID AIC RAID Controller Card
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3. Highpoint SSD7540 NVMe 8-Port M.2/U.2 Industry Fastest-Performance/Comprehensive Selection Capable of Supporting Over 100TB On a Single Controller!
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@@BuildOrBuy thanks very much, I'll have a look at Highpoint 👍
Hi@@Tgspartnership,
Since Highpoint cards are Self Bifurcated, they are expensive due to the PLX Chips that do the Lane Switching. Hope that helps!
Im using it on my X570 ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula motherboard, it works as intended, i currently only have 2 m.2 nvme's inside of it. One thing i do not like is that this Hyper M.2 X16 Card can not be used on all the x16 Lanes, atleast for asus motherboards you can only use pciEX16_1 pciEX16_2 pciEX16_1 is for my graphics card. pciEX16_2 is for my hyper m.2 card i do have a pciEX16_3 aswell, but in bios you can not put pciEX16_3 in raid mode, which means you will only have 1 nvme working on the card. It does not help to change the AUTO to x4x4 on this pcie lane sadly. If you have any experience in this to fix this i would be glad to hear something back. But atleast for the manual for this card it says it can only be used with pciEX16_1 pciEX16_2.
Here is a screenshot image of some X570 mobos: gyazo.com/a2cad52a490ba7318d466145a6a086e1
Hi Marsvinking,
Welcome! The X570 Chipset looks great on paper. However, the Vendor implementation is lacking. We just need more PCIe Resources! ASUS does have 1 X570 with 1 x16 dedicated Slot.
X570 ASUS Crosshair VIII Formula
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-formula-model/spec
- 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) - M.2 NVMe AIC is 1st Slot only for 4 Drives Bifurcated, to be seen.
- 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 mode). Video card, only option. Crazy right.
Even if You swapped PCIe Slots, since they share PCIe Resources, You still have 2 x8 Slots, electrically. And that's a bummer! To reiterate, the other option is to place the Video card in 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x4 mode) Slot.
This is the link to the Chart in Your image. ASUS documentation - Search: ROG Crosshair VIII Formula ; 2nd Listing.
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507
Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Is someone buying them all up? I hesitated buying one late last year and now I can’t find a single one from a regular department store.
Hi JOSEslayer 101,
Welcome! Good question! Seems that way! Who would have ever thought. Impossible right. The only one right now in that category at that price range is this:
*JEYI iHyper-Pro M.2 X16 to 4X PCIE 4.0 GEN4 Expansion Card*
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We have one on Order. It has Shipped. We need to test and Verify. Another subscriber had asked about this very add in card. Hope that helps!
Like your videos how you describe things in detail was excellent thank you very much
Hi Mr B,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Thank You very much as well! Details matter! Keep is Simple and Make it Work! Fascinating Topic! We have several Quad card Videos! Each a little different!
One question: if you put one (or more) PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD like the Samsung 980 Pro in one of these cards and install the card in a 8x lane PCIe 3.0 slot (which theoretically has a bandwidth of up to 7000 mb/s), will we have those speeds for each SSDs?
Hi sebasrjsrdz,
Welcome! Great Question! In this situation and configuration as described, the limiting factor is the Motherboard Chipset. Whether PCIe 3.0 or 4.0! And since a chain is only as strong as the weakest link, the next factor would be the M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive. Hence as You have stated, 7,000Mbps. The biggest problem to overcome is meeting the 2 requirements to install a X16 M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad card! Requirements: X16 PCIe Slot, electrically and Motherboard Bios Bifurcation from X16 to X4X4X4X4. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks. I actually just bought the card (v2) and I'm getting it tomorrow. I have an HP Z440 workstation with several PCIe slots (two 16x 3.0, one 8x 3.0, one 4x 2.0, one 1x 2.0). I currently have a Supermicro 8x 3.0 card with 2 NVMes in the 8x 3.0 slot, one of the NVMe being a Crucial P5 Plus which is PCIe 4.0 with max speed of 6600 mb/s, but it maxes out at 3500 mb/s because (I suppose) the Supermicro card is limited to PCIe 3.0 x4 for each NVMe (that's what it says in their product description). I even tried the card in a 16x slot and I got the same speeds. Now I'm gonna swap it for the Asus and theoretically it should work, even in the 8x slot. Like you said, the only problem could be that the card won't work on a 8x slot because of power, or some other problem (HP motherboards are very special) we'll see.
Hi@@sebasrojas00,
Therefore You know all about Bifurcation. That Slot that's maxing out at 3,500Mbps, that's PCIe 3.0 on that PCIe Slot on the Motherboard. To reiterate, if the M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive is capable of faster then the Motherboard Chipset on a given Slot is the limiting factor. Here's what We found: HP Z440 provides two PCIe 3.0 x16, one PCIe 3.0 x8, one PCIe 2.0 x4, and one PCIe 2.0 x1 Slots, electrically. Is that correct?
@@BuildOrBuy yes those are the slots. So technically a PCI 3.0 slot of 8x lanes should provide a max speed of 7000 mb/s, given that the card used provides this bandwidth (the Asus V2 does, my Supermicro was limited to PCIe 3.0 x4 per NVMe). So all this doesn't matter if my motherboard chipset doesn't allow speeds higher than PCIe 3.0? So I'm always going to be limited to that speed? Even if I use a 16x 3.0 slot with a card like the Asus and that provides this bandwidth and an NVMe that also can give these speeds?
Hi@@sebasrojas00,
Let's try this another way. To reiterate, a X8 PCIe 3.0 Slot is only capable of 3,500Mbps. A X8 PCIe 3.0 Slot allows enough PCIe Lanes for 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives.
Bandwidth Speeds for M.2 NVMe
1. PCIe 3.0 = 3,500MBps
2. PCIe 4.0, 1st Generation = 5,000Mbps
3. PCIe 4.0, 2nd Generation = 7,000Mbps
4. PCIe 4.0, 3rd Generation = 7,200Mps on Read and Writes
5. PCIe 5.0, 1st Generation = 10,000Mbps
The Speed of the PCIe Bus is dictated by the Chipset. The PCIe Lane count of 4 Lanes is required per each M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive to achieve the specified Speed whether PCIe 3.0 or PCIe 4.0 or PCIe 5.0. To reiterate, Each M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. Bifurcation is a function of CPU PCIe Lanes and not Chipset PCIe Lanes. Hope that helps!
Now IF You RAID 0 - 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives then You increase the Bandwidth to being close to double as You have outlined.
The only scenario when the Add in Card would limit the speed would be IF the Add in Card were Self Bifurcated. In that scenario the Self Bifurcated Add in card would have a PLX Chip doing the Lane Switching and that PLX Chip sets the Speed according to Specs of that PLX Chip. Right now, all Self Bifurcated Add in Cards are PCIe 3.0 only.
I have a asus pro WS WRX80.3. Does the m.2 hyper card have the m.2 memory already in the card, or do i need to buy 4 m.2 pcie cards for it?
Hi Aaron Pinson,
As You already are learning, You'll need to Buy those M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives. There are some Quad and 8 Drive cards that are populated but the one that's included with the ASUS WRX80 Workstation Motherboard is not populated. Success on Your Build!
Would this work on a system with an Asus P6X58D Premium motherboard with a Xeon X5680 CPU? RTX3060 graphics card is presently installed in the second 16x PCI 2.0 slot, leaving the first one open. Just hoping to squeeze as much life out of that old system for as long as I can.
Hi Kam,
Welcome! You did. While perusing through Your Motherboard Specs looking for Bifurcation Requirements, stopped on PCIe 2.0. Bifurcation Requires PCIe 3.0 or above. Thought 11 Years old looked iffy based on last Bios Update. Amazing the changes and differences We've encountered in 11 Years. Considering that System, can You wait a bit longer? How long? Maybe 12 months. Crystal ball forecasting. PCIe 5.0, new Chipsets and new Motherboards! PCIe 6.0 is maybe 2 years out. You definitely had a nice System for the time. Even a Self Bifurcated Add in card Requires PCIe 3.0. Bummer, right. Hope that helps!
Research Data below:
Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D
www.asus.com/supportonly/p6x58d_premium/helpdesk_knowledge/
Last Bios Dated 2011 -
11 Year old Motherboard
Intel ICH10R Southbridge
PCIe 2.0
CPU: Xeon X5680
ASUS Bifurcation Chart
www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507/
@@BuildOrBuy Wow, thanks for the quick reply! And yeah, that is a bummer. I was also looking at the self-bifurcating Startech dual card as it advertises backward 2.0 compatibility with seemingly no other requirements, but, is that incorrect? As for the waiting part, yeah, I could probably do that since I was thinking about getting a new mobo and cpu anyway if I couldn't squeeze more performance out of the current system.
Hi@@NightOwwl728,
Absolutely! Good timing for both of Us! Startech Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter or Dual M.2 SATA? See link:
StarTech.com Dual M.2 PCIe SSD Adapter Card - x8 / x16 Dual NVMe or AHCI M.2 SSD to PCI Express 3.0
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@@BuildOrBuy The NVMe one. But, maybe the M.2 SATA route would be a wiser choice considering that it would be more affordable and also that things are now changing with the arrival of 5.0, the supposed EOL of the LGA1700 socket, and AMD just got their ass kicked by the new Intel CPUs (at least in the mid-range). So, might be worth it to just save some money now and just go with some more SATA to tide me over in the meanwhile and see what shakes out at this time next year.
Hi@@NightOwwl728,
Yes, Startech PEX8M2E2 uses an ASMedia ASM2824 PLX Chip for Lane Switching and is as You stated, Self Bifurcated. And says PCIe 2.0 compatible. Interesting considering the Speeds. An M.2 NVMe PCIe 3.0 SSD is capable of 3,500Mbps. Whereas on PCIe 2.0, cut that in half. Says compatible even with PCIe 1.0. Wow! Supports Software RAID. Yes. Storage Drive only unless Your Bios supports NVMe Boot. Startech has 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe Dual Adapters. One with Chipset Heatsink is Self Bifurcated. The other one requires Bios Bifurcation. Thanks for Sharing! I learned something new! Only knew of one of those until You asked! Fascinating!
ASMedia ASM2824 Chipset - For Reference:
www.asmedia.com.tw/product/249yq0aSx7zRFGJ9/7c5YQ79xz8urEGr1#:~:text=General%20Description,system%20storage%20or%20communication%20platforms.
Great info. Do you ever stop to breath? Non stop. Thanks.
Hi Ronsanut, In real time, absolutely. On edited Video, no. I Edit out those pauses for time to keep the video as short as possible and still deliver the message effectively. Lots of Editing! Thanks for Watching!
Bonjour ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2 PCIe 3.0 serais compatible avec ma carte mère la asus maximus vii formula merci
Hi beber dubox,
Welcome! As is, no. However...
ASUS Maximus VII Formula - Z97 Chipset. Would require a Bios Mod. Not advised but doable. Your Motherboard existed before Bifurcation did. We have had a few Users with a Z97 Chipset Motherboard who have successfully achieved that. PCIe Resources have to be reallocated to Bifurcate a slot. You would have to check a Bios Mod site for those individuals that do that. Be forewarned, You could end up bricking your Motherboard if the Bios Mod procedure Fails.
dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/MAXIMUS-VII-FORMULA/E9796_maximus_vii_formula_ug_v2_WEB.pdf
Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Hi Gil i have the asus rampage V extreme with one 40 lane provessor wl de hyper m.2 gen 4 working on the motherbord for 4 seperal drives
Hello Willie,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your comment. Fantastic. X299 Chipset?
What would you recommend for an x570 board for adding m.2 drives?
Hi Mr Serrano,
Welcome! For specificity, give Us an x570 Motherboard. This deserves a video response for clarity of a complex issue about options! Stay tuned! Now, Your Motherboard so We can have a Specific example!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for the prompt reply! It’s an ASUS AMD AM4 ROG Strix X570-E really wish it had 3 m.2 slots, especially for the money.
Hi@@MrNiceKnife, We'll work from that perspective in the Video! We're all about answering Subscribers Questions! Stay tuned!
Hello, I have an old Z77 chipset motherboard and I would like to ask if I can use an ASUS Hyper adapter with NVMe ssd? Thank you, best regards
Hi dizsit,
Welcome! Great Question! Intel Z77 Chipset.
ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/64024/intel-z77-express-chipset.html
According to Intel, You have PCIe 2.0. We need PCIe 3.0 plus a fully Bios Bifurcated X16 Slot. Bummer. There may be some Self Bifurcated cards that work with PCIe 2.0 but then You also Require Bios Boot Support for NVMe which will not be available. Double Bummer!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you very much for the answer! Then maybe it is worth to upgrade my setup soon... but I am still satisfied with my 3770k cpu. :(
Hi@@dizsit,
Absolutely! Your CPU, Intel i7 3770K, 4 Cores, 8 Threads.
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/65523/intel-core-i73770k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz/specifications.html
We recommend 16 CPU Cores and 32 Threads for Rendering. Minimum. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you very much!
Hi@@dizsit,
Absolutely! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Curios as to what Direction You choose!
I have a "ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING, Intel X299 Chipset, LGA 2066" motherboard. Will this work with it? I want to add 4x 2TB NvMe SSDs.
Hi Numan,
Yes! By Chipset, x299 HEDT. By Configuration,
1.) You need a 44 Lane CPU or above.
2.) Requires 1 x16 Lane PCIe Slot, electrically. No shared PCIe Resources! Install in PCIeX16_2.
3.) Turn on Bifurcation in Bios / UEFI Firmware. For that PCIe Slot, Hyper or x4x4x4x4.
4.) RAID 0 only. Use any M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives You want.
5.) With Intel VROC Key [VROCISSDMOD] - RAID 0/1/5/10 support on Intel SSDs only.
ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x299-e-gaming-model/
Search below for: ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING II
ASUS Hyper M.2 x 16 card Motherboard Compatibility of PCIE Bifurcation
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507
To reiterate, Install in PCIeX16_2. Hope that helps! Your Motherboard and Bios PDFs do not provide those details for me to tell You where to look specifically. You should be able to go the Setting for that Slot and change Resource allocations accordingly as Listed above.
its rly called M.2 sata (vs M.2 NvMe) in total we got 2,5 SSD(Sata), Msata SSD(Sata), M.2 Sata(Sata), M.2 Nvme(pice), U.2 SSD(Pcie), Pcie Sata(Pcie) and 3,5 SSD(sata)
Hi Norkris, Keeping it relevant. Not intended to account for everything. That alone is another Discussion for another Video. This was about answering Subscribers questions, as asked. Thank You for Your Comments.
I got the asus hyper m.2 x16 card v2. Will this work in a x4 pcie slot that is x16 electrically?(x4 slot that accepts x16 cards) I have 4x 2tb m.2 nvme 3.0 installed in the card and only half of the capacity is showing up. My motherboard is the gigabyte b550 master.
Hi Glasgowmg,
Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10#kf
The ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 card would have to go in PCIex16. And You see only 2 M.2 NVMe Drives. Got it. Your Motherboard does not have the capability to fully Bifurcate to 4x4x4x4. Bummer.
Each M.2 NVMe Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes, hence a x16 Slot Electrically.
You have 1 other option. Get a self Bifurcating card. HighPoint and Glotrends each have a card. They are pricey. Listed in Video Description. Hope that helps!
Fun video, thanks!
I just copied a 767,523 KB file from my M.2 PCI-E 4x4(Samsung 980 PRO 1TB) drive to a ram drive. The Windows "transfer screen" didn't even pop up. The Task Manager transfer rate graph showed the Disk Transfer rate line at 300 MB/s which was about 2/3 from the peak.
z590 and a i7-11700k CPU. I have 1 PCIE-4.0 x16 slot on the board.
Hi Jason,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments and those Stats! Which Motherboard are You using? That X16 Slot will have to have Bios Bifurcation for x4x4x4x4 to see all 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives!
@@BuildOrBuy An inexpensive MSI MPG GAMING FORCE. I can really appreciate the Gigabyte bios now, MSI is just painful to navigate.
Hi@@JasonCarmichael,
Got it! According to Your Bios pdf manual, Your Bios has a Setting as follows: CPU PCIe Lanes Configuration. No more details are given. You'll have to Verify if that can be changed to X4X4X4X4 to accommodate a Quad card. Hope that helps! Thanks for Sharing!
BTW: Thinking about Upgrading?
@@BuildOrBuy it can do x8, x4, x4.
I just upgraded to it. 🤣.
Hi@@JasonCarmichael,
Partial Bios Bifurcation. You'll see 3 Drives but not 4 Drives. Hope that helps!
i hew a problem,, and i dont find a solution for it,,, the asus hyper m.2 x16 card i hew only show up 1 m.2 ssd in bios and in windows 10,, i hew the asus prime x299-a motherboard, what am i doing wrong? and yes the card are in the pciex16_2 slot, (secound from the top) as far as i understand from asus support page, thts the slots that supports all 4 nvme,
Hi Demon_Ghost_666,
Welcome! What CPU do You have? Do You have a 6 Core CPU or above?
You may require a VROC Chip. If a VROC Chip is required then You'll only be able to use Intel M.2 NVMe Drives.
1. Did You disable CSM in UEFI?
2. Go to Advanced, CPU Storage Configuration. Select the PCIe Slot and set to either Hyper M.2 x16 or PCIe x4 SSD Card. This will Bifurcate that Slot from x16 to x4x4x4x4. WithOUT Intel VROC Key - RAID 0 only, using any PCIe NVMe M.2 SSDs you like. Not Bootable.
See if that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy i hew Intel i9 9820X prosessor. 10core 20threads
Hi@@demon_ghost_6662,
OK. Processor is good to go! Intel Core i9-9820X X-series Processor
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/189121/intel-core-i99820x-xseries-processor-16-5m-cache-up-to-4-20-ghz/specifications.html
What about the other options mentioned? Did You Bifurcate the Slot?
@@BuildOrBuy i figured out the problem actualy,, some of my bios settings got reset somehow,, jupp sure i fucked it up somehow,,,,,, the setting for the cpu that change the pci to storage prossesing, thingy, thanks for responding so fast!! :) love that it exsist people that want to help others!
Hi@@demon_ghost_6662,
Excellent! Stuff happens. Maybe Reset from a Bios Update. Glad You figured it out with maybe a little help! Absolutely! Thanks for Asking!
hi I'm from Brazil,
I bought (hyper m.2 x16 gen 4 card) and,
my motherboard is an Asus B85M-E/BR motherboard for Intel LGA-1150 VGA DVI HDMI (2015)
It is compatible?
Is it possible to use with 2 or more nvme m.2 ssd hds?
Hello henrique,
Welcome. Count your PCIe Lanes. How many Lanes are available? How many PCIe Lanes does a Quad card require. Short answer, no. Do the math.
@@BuildOrBuy hello,
I only have a 16X PCI
Hi@@henriquefernandes1985 ,
ASUS does not indicate your Motherboard as having Bifurcation support. Therefore, No Bifurcation, No Hyper card support. In your Bios You would need a setting to change a PCIe Slot from X16 to x4x4x4x4. Bifurcation started on the X299 Chipset.
Can you use the Rog Zenith Extreme Alpha when you install that gen 4 card? id like to see the bios for configuring it and if its automatic when its installed. Or use an Asus board in general. i have that board and 4 980 pro's i want to raid into 1 drive for speed. And have my 3090 in x16 1 and this in x16 slot 2 full speed. thanks.
I've got 2 Hyper Gen4 Asus quad cards on an old X399 Asus board. It's easy. Bios for PCIe lanes change auto to raid. The x16 goes to 4x 4x 4x 4x with one click in the bios. I'm not using a raid array but it goes to four separate devices seen on the bios.Just reboot and it shows all 4 drives. The Asus gen4 quad card was only $20 more than the gen3 V2. Buy GEN4 drives and your ready for an upgrade to a gen4 mobo/cpu.
Hi stephen smith,
Nice to meet You! Max has You covered! Just now seeing his message. I'll throw my 2 scents in as well since I'm replying! Have to hibernate when Filming and Editing! Great Motherboard Choice! We were only able to Build two Gigabyte TRX40 Designares. Both are same. If a Client had asked, certainly. Would really like to have that on Video as You have asked! I had another Client who also Built same again with TRX40 Designare.
ASUS Rog Zenith Extreme Alpha TRX40
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-zenith/rog-zenith-extreme-alpha-model/
I can tell You what to look for based on the PDF Manual. Page 82. Onboard Devices Configuration - Slot: PCIe16_3 Bandwidth - Choose PCIe RAID Mode for Bifurcation. Does not appear to be Automatic for PCIe 4.0. Curious. Probably safer. May require a Bios Update to enable that feature.
BTW: Your RTX 3090 - How many Slots wide? Hope it's no more than 3 Slots Wide?
Hi@@maxhughes5687, Exquisite! Thank You! Have to hibernate when Filming and Editing! Have to ask, Do You have them all in one RAID? I was thinking about showing that very thing! Interesting!
@@BuildOrBuy I thought about it. It looked way more complicated than run the drivers and clone the boot drive to a new raid array. XP from a boot drive 100mb ribbon cable to two SATA velocy raptors was easy. Install W10 on an OCZ revo drive with 4 120GB SSDs was just spin a cd with the drivers on install. Even HighPoints 7505 looks scary. So I just run 3 spanned drives for D: 5.5TB storage. One boot drive on the quad card and one drive on a DIMM card for W10 backup. I have used a second Hyper with one drive on Linux. I power up one or the other, but never both cards.
Hi@@maxhughes5687,
Curious. How do You power one card without powering the other card? We've thought about showing a Dual Boot in Hardware only. Keep it Simple!
I went with Gen2 so I can simply swap out my drives and boot when time comes to upgrade the motherboard. This to me is a far more sensible approach.
Hi Shmaya zuggot,
Welcome! Which M.2 NVMe Drives are You using? Gen2 would be PCIe 2.0.
@@BuildOrBuy Gen 2 Asus is generation 2 Hyper X card which is PCIE 4.0 of which I use PCIE 3.0 NVME 4x1TB Teamgroup drives in due to their long TBW specs as I use it for a NAS in an ESXi virtual NAS guest. On a 10Gb network I get read/write speeds of 1GB constant which serves the purpose perfectly. In a few years I will re use that card in my workstation with pcie 4.0 NVME’s hence I went witht he Gen 2 hyper X card.
Hi@@shmayazuggot8558
Got it. ASUS has made 3 Quad cards. Thanks for referencing specifics. And Thanks for Sharing!
I still wish the 2TB limit that the Phison PS5016-E16 or E18 controller didn't exist or at least have a press release of upcoming controller specs that have more than 8TB total limits considering there are PCI gen 3 controllers that support beyond a 2TB drive..Can you imagine 4 or 8 TB PCIe gen 4 NVME drive s(16 or 32TB total) with the almost mind blowing speeds these drives are able to achieve.... total drive space nerd heaven. Of course I wont comment on the wallet draining price of the drives. Especially after spending what I did on my Threadripper 3960x system which by itself was 1000% overkill for what I do with it.
Hi John Smith, Overkill? Bragging rights! You have to admit, that was fun Building Your Threadripper! Faster Drives are coming! PCIe 5.0 Switches and PCIe 6.0 Spec announced. What a time to be Building a PC Computer! Can You imagine by 2023 an NVMe Drive with Twice the Bandwidth and Double the Speed? Wow!
@@BuildOrBuy Too be perfectly honest. I don't even want to imagine the speed of PC's that are just over the horizon, but you summed it up well with WOW. I still find it humorous that the average PC user/gamer can not even begin to saturate the gen 3 bandwidth 100% let alone gen 4.0, 5.0 or 6.0. Oh well, I guess the only one who suffers is my poor wallet..poor me.
You are so right when you say in your videos is fun and we learn by doing. Speaking of which I need to go rewatch the ASUS Hyper card videos, I ran across some data in their FAQ about the card and bifurcation including x570 realated info that has me thinking and I'm not sure you showed anything on it during that video..
Keep up the great content, I'm certain it helps those struggling.
The Asus mobo doesn’t allow for all this customization. My gpu is in top slot asus card in second, but it drops my gpu to x8. I can’t figure out a way to manually set the speeds on this crosshair viii hero wifi. I have two nvme drives installed on the mobo already, could those be taking the slots? I do Bification on the second slot, my gpu in top slot runs at x8. Can’t get it to x16 unless I take out the hyper card
Hi DalisYn,
Welcome! ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI) - X570 Chipset.
To CPU - 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
Through AMD X570 chipset: 1 x PCIe 4.0 x1
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-hero-wi-fi-model/spec
Not enough PCIe Resources to allocate on that Motherboard. You will only see 2 M.2 Drives. Your options... Use a self Bifurcated M.2 NVMe Card that would work in a x8 Slot. Only two right now: Glotrends Sky card is Your best Option. The other one is more expensive. However, both are PCIe 3.0. We have a Video on that card here:
ruclips.net/video/QF71-5nhrAk/видео.html
Bummer, right. Sorry to be the messenger. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Next time You Build, let's talk Chipsets and Motherboards, in that Order!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks for the answer, I can’t find much info on it so I was hoping you’d reply here
HI@@DalisYn,
Absolutely! Here to help! This is what ASUS has on the matter:
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507
We thought this was an esoteric topic. Hardly! Thanks for Asking!
I've just watched Royal Rumble 2021 and this video may beat WWE
Hi Don Jon, Wow! OK! Thanks. I think!
would any of these work for an msi X570 ace motherboard? if so, will it work on the last bottom pcie slot?
Hi Jamie,
Welcome! MSI MEG X570 ACE
www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X570-ACE
On all Desktop Motherboards, You're facing the same problem. A X16 M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad card has 2 requirements.
1. A X16 Slot, Electrically.
2. Motherboard Bios Bifurcation.
Be happy to create a Video and explain how that all relates to Your Motherboard if You like. And possible Options. What CPU are You using?
@@BuildOrBuy First off thank you for the reply and yes that's the motherboard there and YES a video would be awesome if you have the time.
any who I have a AMD 5950x, with a 3090 Aorus xtreame on the 1st x16 slot but it easily blocks the 2nd x16 slot and I already have 3 WD sn850s occupying the 3 m.2 slots on the board and I want to add more since they are already nearing full capacity so I've bin looking into my options hence why I'm here, I have looked into several adapters including the ones you are demonstrating here, and I am trying to see what will work the best other then having to settle for SATA or HDD, I've even learned that MSI does make an expander that comes with the MSI GODLIKE x570. and I wonder if that would work on the ACE since the bios is basically the same and it does have the setting to split the lanes and I could easily order one on ebay, but the only slots i have open as of now are the 2 very last lower ones the x1 and x16 so I've also found they make single and dual m.2 adapters I seen on amazon that can be added to the pcie x1 and ive also found that Sabrent even makes a universal one that claims it can work on pcie x4 x8 x16 would any of these options work?
could I make any of these options run in raid 0?
could i just put my gpu on a riser and use my 2nd x16 slot because i believe the GODLIKE says the xpander goes into the 2nd slot?
id also would really like to keep the gpu on the 1st slot. below are several adapters I've also looked at they all look different.
thanks i look fwd to your reply.
google adapters I found on amazon.
" GLOTRENDS M.2 PCIe X1 Adapter with M.2 Heatsink for M.2 PCIe 4.0/3.0 SSD (NVMe/AHCI Key M), PCIe X1/X4/X8/X16 Lane Installation, but Only PCIe X1 Bandwidth (PA09-X1-HS) "
" SABRENT NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE) "
" AMPCOM M.2 NVME SSD to PCIe 4.0 X4 Adapter Card with Copper Cooling Best Heatsink Upgraded for Desktop PC , PCI-E GEN4 Full Speed 64Gbps "
" JEYI Quad NVMe PCIe 4.0 Expansion Card, Supports 4 NVMe M.2 SSD 2280 up to 8TB, Raid Bandwidth 256Gbps, Required Bifurcation "
" AMPCOM M.2 M Key Nvme SSD to PCI-e 4.0 Adapter, PCI Express 4.0 X16 Card with Aluminum Case, Supports Windows 7/8/ 10, Supports 2280 "
" MZHOU M.2 SSD to PCIe 3.0 X4 Adapter Card for M.2 SSD (m Key) and SATA (b Key) 22110 2280 2260 2242 2230 to PCI-e 3.0 x 4 Host Controller Expansion Card with Low Profile Bracket "