No, Ford's Electric F-150 Can't Tow 1 Million Pounds (Realistically)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2019
- Ford's Electric F-150 pulled a 1 million pound train, but Ford's stunt was way easier than it looked. This isn't a competitive advantage, instead, it's a very clever, very cool, marketing exercise.
Towing a million pounds sounds impossible. On an open road, it pretty much is. On a railroad, however, things are different. With a steel wheel riding on a steel track, the rolling resistance of the train is extremely low. The result? A relatively tiny force is required to move the train in comparison to the weight of the train.
What makes it easy? Well it all comes down to the coefficient of rolling resistance. This is the ratio of force required to pull a certain rotational mass. For example, a coefficient of rolling resistance of 0.1 means you only need a 1 pound-force to move a 10 pound ball. With steel wheels on a steel track, that ratio is far, far lower. Plenty of trucks out there could have done the same thing Ford's electric F-150 did, if not family crossovers and SUVs. Check out the video for a full breakdown of how it all works.
Important Note: This video was filmed prior to my article being published in Road & Track (link below). Upon release of the article, Ford reached out with clarification. Here is additional information with regards to the power required for accelerating the 1.25 million pound train:
1. We want to know how much power it takes to move 1.25 million pounds at a speed of 4.5 mph in just 1,000 ft.
2. We’re going to assume the truck is accelerating for those entire 1,000 ft, and reaches 4.5 mph right when it crosses the 1,000 ft. line.
3. Power = Work / Time. If we calculate work & time, we determine power.
4. Time can be calculated based on average speed over 1,000 ft. Top speed 4.5 mph, starting at 0 mph. Average 2.25 mph. 2.25 mph = 3.3 ft/s. 1000 ft / 3.3 ft/s = 303 seconds (5 minutes, 3 seconds, to go from 0 to 4.5 mph). T = 303 sec.
5. Work = change in kinetic energy. We start at 0, so kinetic energy is zero. All we need to know is final kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is equal to one-half mass times velocity squared (k=0.5mv^2). 12.5M lb = 566,990 kg. 4.5 mph = 2.01 m/s. KE = (0.5)*(566,990 kg)*(2.01168 m/s)^2 = 1,147,263.561 N-m.
6. Plug in variables to Power equation. Power = Work/Time. P = (1,147,263.561 N-m)/(303 seconds) = 3.786 kW or ~ 5 Horsepower.
7. It’s important to note that 5 HP is the power required to to accelerate this mass assuming zero losses. Heat, friction, aerodynamics, etc. There are also smaller assumptions like not accelerating any rotational masses (the train has wheels, etc). A sanity check using the same math shows a 3,300 lb car requires 240 HP to go 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. We know it’s generally double that in the real world. Even giving the truck a factor of 10 advantage, 50 HP is nothing crazy.
8. The train is very heavy, this is the impressive part. Unfortunately, the duration is very long (5 minutes), and the speed is very low (5 mph). Both time and speed variables work heavily against the power required. If the train were to accelerate to 60 mph in the same 1,000 ft distance, it would take 12,000 HP without losses. Quite a difference, just from changing speed!
Road & Track article covering the stunt:
www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...
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**IMPORTANT NOTE** This video was filmed prior to my article being published in Road & Track (link below). Upon release of the article, Ford reached out with additional information. They said the truck was traveling at 4.5 mph when it crossed 1,000 ft. From this, we can calculate power required:
1. We want to know how much power it takes to move 1.25 million pounds at a speed of 4.5 mph in just 1,000 ft.
2. We’re going to assume the truck is accelerating for those entire 1,000 ft, and reaches 4.5 mph right when it crosses the 1,000 ft. line.
3. Power = Work / Time. If we calculate work & time, we determine power.
4. Time can be calculated based on average speed over 1,000 ft. Top speed 4.5 mph, starting at 0 mph. Average 2.25 mph. 2.25 mph = 3.3 ft/s. 1000 ft / 3.3 ft/s = 303 seconds (5 minutes, 3 seconds, to go from 0 to 4.5 mph). T = 303 sec.
5. Work = change in kinetic energy. We start at 0, so kinetic energy is zero. All we need to know is final kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is equal to one-half mass times velocity squared (k=0.5mv^2). 12.5M lb = 566,990 kg. 4.5 mph = 2.01 m/s. KE = (0.5)*(566,990 kg)*(2.01168 m/s)^2 = 1,147,263.561 N-m.
6. Plug in variables to Power equation. Power = Work/Time. P = (1,147,263.561 N-m)/(303 seconds) = 3.786 kW or ~ 5 Horsepower.
7. It’s important to note that 5 HP is the power required to to accelerate this mass assuming zero losses. Heat, friction, aerodynamics, etc. There are also smaller assumptions like not accelerating any rotational masses (the train has wheels, etc). A sanity check using the same math shows a 3,300 lb car requires 240 HP to go 0-60 in 3.0 seconds. We know it’s generally double that in the real world. Even giving the truck a factor of 10 advantage, 50 HP is nothing crazy.
8. The train is very heavy, this is the impressive part. Unfortunately, the duration is very long (5 minutes), and the speed is very low (5 mph). Both time and speed variables work heavily against the power required. If the train were to accelerate to 60 mph in the same 1,000 ft distance, it would take 12,000 HP without losses. Quite a difference, just from changing speed!
Road & Track article covering the stunt:
www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a28506476/ford-electric-f150-train-tow-physics-explained/
Holy engineering degree
kind of old news but a couple years ago there was a toyota tundra that pulled a rocket ship and was wondering if you could discuss the differences in forces between that stunt and this stunt?
I wonder if they did the train car trick where they bunch up the cars so that they "effectively" only have to accelerate each one, one at a time.
Can you please analyse Model X pulling the plane commercial in the same way. It was on a runway I think. Interesting..
So what I'm getting from this is anything that can pull a 2000lb trailer can do this trick??
and that's why trains are a real efficient way to transport very heavy loads
That's the real take away here fo sho. Lol
and that nearly all trains are electric anyway... ever since 1879.
EVs are just reasserting their rightful place in society.
@@ahaveland Perhaps in your region, but in New England the only electrified rail outside of city-centric mass transit is the Boston-NYC-DC Acela* which still sometimes substitutes diesel locomotives.
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*If they used a more rational spelling of "acela" perhaps they'd be more commercially successful. I digress.
@@disorganizedorg I mean, the diesel engine powers the traction motors which then drive the wheels, so technically you could consider them "electric"
@@ahaveland diesel-electric here...it's still a way more efficient way to be burning diesel.
Wait... you're saying marketing is misleading!?
Lol
@Nick Cassetta Weird, I think I need someone to explain to me the difference between misleading and lying.
Imagine that!
I am shocked. You can tell from the plethora of exclamation marks.
Shocked! Shocked, I say!
The tow-strap is honestly what gives it away. They should have used a monster steel bridge cable on it to make it seem like that's what you need to handle the force involved.
let me summarize:
it pulled it because it was on wheels which were on a rail.
wheels roll
so it's easier
this is the same reason you can push a car with some friends but not a 1,500 kilogram object
Forgot to mention that they are steel on steel wheels which is VERY important.
Pretty much
@@caz9634 guy is talking about OP, not the video
They should have said in the end that any gas pickup could do this but scumbag lying is what they do best.
I would surprise you, but one young man can push one regular railcar hard enough to make it moves. We where having a fun at this when were kids. :D Unfortunately one man then cannot stop it :D
A company: *Has a advertising idea*
Engineering Explained: No
Yes, but no.*
Well yes but actually no
N O
Why do you have my discord pfp
It confuse me
I'm more impressed by the fact that he successfully said "railroad wheels on steel railroad rails."
Hayden White same!!!
That can't be that hard can it? Railroad reels on steel rairow reels
Easy 😉
steel railroad wheels on steel railroad rails rather... But yes, it is a tongue twister.
I thought, how hard is that? So I tried it and failed the first time, but got it on the second attempt!
i hardly said it in my head
And that’s why ford refuses to sell this guy a vehicle. 😂
F series has been America's #1 selling truck for 43 consecutive years.
R S ok and?
@@rs6383 sales mean nothing besides the fans are too stubborn and fords puts alot of money into ads
N that they give great fleet discounts on vehicles
@@rs6383 and what,America isn't the only country in the world lol,if you haven't realised, there's more than 7 billion other people on earth
Did I miss the part where he explained the magic trick? Seriously, where the card under the play button go?
Video editing probably
@@szymoniak75 it went to edit a video? That’s a talented playing card. I found Avid on one the Macs in the computer lab at my high school, while I was teaching a graphic design class my senior year. I decided to edit my final RTF project in Avid on a Mac purchased in 1996. Instead of doing it tape to tape via two S-VHS decks and a wonky edit controller. I wonder if the whole deck helps out or if it’s just that one card. It’s not credited on this video. Do you think it was editing a separate project?
P.S. All the consonants in your name are neat👍🏻
@@54BiZZuRKS lmao 🤣
@@54BiZZuRKS 😂
@@54BiZZuRKS LMAO LOL XD XD.
If a strongman can pull a jumbo jet with his teeth , this is actually not that impressive.
Also a Tuareg pulled a jumbo jet
@@yahyasajid5113 still not as impressive as someone pulling one with their teeth
But can a Tuareg pull a jumbo jet with it's teeth?
@@dinethaltmann9582 Can a strongman pull (with it's theeth) a Tuareg pulling (with it's teeth [?]) a jumbo jet?
@@Rankidu BUUUUUTT... can a jumbo jet fly (with it's teeth) a Tuareg pulling (with it's teeth) a strongman that's pulling (with his THEETH) a jumbo jet?!
Wait until Tesla's Cybertruck tows Earth to Andromeda galaxy.
Wait... That's illegal.
Nah. The truck tows the Andromeda galaxy to our Milky Way galaxy.
Why Tesla truck can’t pull the earth
*Starts staring at a different galaxy *
well if you wanna get technical that would require less energy... assuming you have a nearly infinite amount of time on your hands
Well Andromeda is already getting towed to us right now by gravity D:
*Ford comes up with a brilliant marketing idea*
Jason : Uploads this
Ford : Ah sh*t, here we go again
The only math class that I will enjoy.
Physics* lol
@@p3rk4n27 is it not mathematical?
This is pure physics
@@p3rk4n27 but is there mathematics? 🤔
Sorry physics.
Why is AthleanX teaching math?
On godddd
hhhhhhhhha
Yoo 😂😂😂💀💀
Ty tutaj?
It’s his brother
shouldnt that strap be a dead give away on the force needed to tow the train :P
Yes exactly! Yet it's the top comment, but they don't seem to allow for replies (I replied to 3 comments, none were published).
Isn't this the truth? Probably could have used a bra strap instead of tow strap?
@@islandnites no, I tried to use a braw strap as a noose and it couldn't even hold 200 pounds
@@mahmoudbisharat3239 Thx - everything has structural limitations I imagine. (Sure would like to have a peek at those 200 lb. boobies tho) LOL - oopz thatz racist / sorry
I would of laughed if it snap lol
One thing I think is missing from your equations, rail car couplers have some slack, if they took advantage of that they could get "some" momentum on the 1st car (even if it's under an inch) before it yanks the 2nd car and so on...so it may not have to overcome ALL the static friction at once.
True, if you manage to move the first rail car some cm(inches) the f150 and your car is already weighting much more than 5000pounds
Yup. That is exactly why a single locomotive can tow dozens of rail cars, and I felt like it was a huge omission from the video
@@marconka441 well no - once the whole train is moving there's no slack, so the locomotive really is supplying enough force to pull all of its cars. Besides, the maths supports one locomotive supplying enough force to do so.
@@ME0WMERE but the weight of the first car moving helps get the momentum to pull the second car and so on even with just a tiny distance between one another which doesn't put as much force on whatever is pulling them.
There's also alot of slack between the knuckles of each train car. So that kinda helps to get the thing started because essentially you're only pulling one car at a time briefly before the next one starts rolling and by then the previous car has a bit of momentum to get the next one going.
Yes, and for the first car... the stretch in the strap is likely to built-up kinetic energy to help start it.
this is huge, it's how you can go with a loco with the same low friction
I cant wait for the chevy version "real trains not actors"
*Thomas the tank engine gets "pulled" by a Silverado*
And mahks "if car ads were honest"
Just wait for Mahk to make a vid of it
They did have the Cheyenne pulling the logs😂decades ago
I cant wait for MAHK to make the new chevy video of their video
@@CM-jm6ui that one is legit
i mean jeremy clarkson pulled a 13000 tonne ship with a Citroen c3 (28.6 million pounds)
You've just ruined this whole ford stunt along with clarkson lol
This comment needs more attention 😂
Yeah but that’s water I can push a hole
Ass boat lol
Japheth Bonnema water has a lot less friction ;)
Of course he almost ended up in the bay, then almost killed the clutch, but, yeah, he managed to pull it 25 meters. Also, the rolling resistance of a ship in the water is orders of magnitude lower than a train on rails.
This is a great video, but i cant get over the fact that this guy looks 20 and 40 at the same time.
That’s what math does to you
It's called being 30
@@zachorvik8361 😂🤡
30?
When you down an entire bottle of vitamin gummies
I'm a freight conductor and this stunt of Fords reminds me of a story I was told many years ago about a switchman back in the late 70's or early 80's. Apparently this guy had purchased a Chevy Blazer and wanted to pull a few loaded sand cars (about 120 tons each) by hooking up a tow strap and pulling from a slight angle along the switching lead to show how tough his new ride was. As you can imagine, he didn't have much trouble getting the cars to start moving, but had failed to come up with a plan to brake and get them to stop. When he tried to slow down, the cars kept rolling and his Blazer became the towed vehicle until it was pulled into the side of the cars and badly damaged. I'm not quite sure how this was explained to local management, but like so many other things, railroading was a much different bussiness back then 😂
Hahahahahah. That's an excellent story!
@MetraMan09 Apparently not. This is a story that was told to me by someone who was there (I was just a little kid when this happened), but I did get the impression that they had a good idea what would happen, and just let him suffer the consequences for his macho act.
@Blake Terry that makes sense. You might be surprised by how easy it is to stop a cut of cars with a single handbrake.
@@shawnseeley9561 Or possibly had a locomotive at the back to apply the brakes if need be.
@@sts8997 definitely the safest course.
Nice explanation and all, but my primary interest is finding out what happened to that Tesla card?!
Gone! Wow!
Obviously, the shelf has a trapdoor activated by a micro switch hidden on the far side of the frame, which is why he only lifts the front. A trained Gecko positioned on the underside of the shelf then catches the card with its tongue. The gecko ultimately trades the card back in exchange for a juicy cricket. Magic is easy.
PB P obviously
I found it in my gastank.
Gone. Just like his bank balance. 😄
Yes the force needed to overcome static friction is incredibly low on rails.
I learn more with this guy than with my physics teacher
I would have been more impressed if the F150 broke the tow strap
Ford ain’t that strong
AduptUniform26 what vehicle company do you consider strong then?
@Jielyn Sabarez Chevy gmc sometimes Toyota. Why?
Just askin
@poopypants678 _ no it’s not just because it has a V12 doesn’t mean it has torque or enough grip for that mater. It has plenty of HP but would never be able to do this. Its physics dude
The huge advantage is steel wheels on steel rails is super super super efficient. Practically no friction. That's why trains do so well. A human being can move a single box car on a flat surface if he's in really good shape.
He said that in the coefficient of rolling resistance part but ya
I work in a rail yard. I've done just that.
I was able to move 2 lmao
Anyone can push a car on a flat surface, as long as you have grippy shoes you have more than enough force to get it moving, and once it's moving it goes easily.
Same concept with boats, even a child is strong enought to give a 7-8 ton boat a push away from a pier.
No one:
Ford: “lol my truck can pull a million lb”
Did it have something to do with drag? And no I dont mean the men in dresses that would buy it or understand why this isn't a real world comparison. Not to mention towing will decrease the overall battery life. Lol
@@scottwall8419 what?
@@scottwall8419 umm, it was a joke bro, uhh, also, can you speak English
@@scottwall8419 ford fanboy be like
@@OGmemegenerator I know right, you cant say anything negative about a ford without people having a damn seizure
Now I'm really impressed with trains efficiency.
"Wheels are round" nice I knew I'd learn something here
Go away bigot. No one wants your input here.
@@TheHonestBroker wheels are flat like the earth my boi don't believe what they tell you
If they were round they would both just roll off eachother
mark rodenburg just to be sure, this is a joke right?
@@TheHonestBroker what's it like to be failing trader?
No they are ovals
Making your Tesla card disappear under your RUclips award.
*Weird flex but ok*
bbkangs My guess is that the disappearance of the Tesla card was a pure video editing trick - notice that the award is placed perfectly at the corner so that he can lift it up, remove it and replace it at the exact same position.
It's a plug for Tesla. Or he's dissing them?
He's clearly a Tesla fan boi which is why he chooses to make this video about knocking Ford's claim instead of mentioning that Elon's claim is pure hogwash for the same reasons.
@Jim S. Nobody ever mentions the fact that Elon started all of this and predicted others would follow. Musk ftw.
What cards was he going to use? His credit cards? And no i get the joke.
The tow strap is more impressive than the truck 😂
Right lol
Basically: Train tracks and train wheels have less road resistance than that of rubber tyres and concrete road
The illusion would have been a little more dramatic with several giant steel cables between the truck and train
Yes ... it would be a nicer PR stunt.
Agreed, would have been a nice touch!
Yes I couldn't agree more.
Marius Ipad They should just use aluminum, it’s all the rage!
@Marius Ipad It is a low speed prototype test. They could jam something under there to hold it up.
Whoa, never occurred to me that the efficiency of trains comes from the hardness of steel. Simple and profound
If you have depression and can’t sleep watch this guy you’ll fall asleep ASAP !
Not at all!! I watch this channel in the morning to wake up and get my brain functioning. I’m an engineer myself and love the math.
DeanDennis1959 I want to be an engineer but the math is what kills the dream
Another way to crack this myth: there is only one strap that is pulling the train, and the starp survived. There's no way that single strap can handle one million pounds!
You don’t seem to get it. While the strap pulls 1m lbs, it only needs to withstand 2k lbs of force. Weight and force are very different
@@nathangetty4892 yes that was the point of the comment you replied to and of the whole video
Ironic
Woosh
@@nathangetty4892 woosh
@@csl2583 I don’t see how this comment is a joke dude so no whoosh
I found it odd they didn't use some huge-ass chain to mask the fact that this wasn't a big deal..
Facts that tow strap kind of gave it away
They had a heavy duty two strap
Tow*
@@fidsnfads__warthunder6337 okay but there isn’t a strap in this world that is rated for 1.2 million pound hauls
@DD PN Ofc. Why would someone make a 1 million pound rated tow strap when you could just use a giant chain?
Him talking about that made me feel like I’m back in school already.
haha same though
School is less interesting,the teacher isn’t motivated as him too
PewdiePie is a racist A-hole and deserve to fired into Mt. Ol Doinyo Lengai.
skuzzle butt k
@@skuzzlebutt5261 k
A truck in Australia pulled some enormous number of trailers. Our triple trailer road trains, even eight trailer trucks are super pullers but by using the small gap between the surfaces of the couplings to get one, two, three etc trailers moveing one at a time. Big trucks have similar power but greater torque than a two ton pickup. The sustained application of that, until every trailer was rolling might have bothered the clutch but over here we also have five hundred horsepower self powered trailers.
Always feel accomplished when I more or less "know" the answer going into a video. Trains are genuinely just so efficient at transporting large amounts of material, and I grew up in what was more or less a mining town, although the mines shut down years ago. Used to go playing on the tracks when I was a kid and ended up becoming a bit obsessed as I grew up. Always wanted to get into building an HO scale train track, but I've never had the time, money, or room to set one up. But that's a story for another time.
Goddamnit you mean I can’t tow my nuclear submarine down the road even if I buy the new electric F150, frick
Ahahahaha!!
no, you would probably need an f350 lol
Well, you probably can, but launching it will probably short something out in the F150...
There goes the weekend's plans
just use the shore connect and provide the power from the sub to the truck !
Jason is without a doubt, the smartest person I have ever hear explain anything involving math and engineering
Every marketing team fears this guy
This is basically the same thing that Toyota did years ago with the tundra when they pulled the space shuttle platform, rolling resistance makes everything so much easier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yet it wasn't an issue when they did it
Only when an American brand does
Something people want to expose it
😢😢😢
kbrownfocus I mean at least the shuttle was on pneumatic tires on pavement
Plum_Crazy 1992
I don’t know why, no one complained, but no, when ford did it, people started talking crap
What about VW when they pulled a 747?
@@TecDLogic
There's so many companies who
Are doing dirt to consumers yet
We are exposing PR stunt. How
Many buyers will attempt this 😂
I'm surprised you didn't mention the play between couplers as well, those auto racks have a ton of slack.
Having to start only one car moving at a time is a huge advantage vs. lifting the whole train at once.
Exactly this.
Agreed let’s fill the truck bed with osmium 😂😭
Came down here to post this.
They usually reverse slightly to close the gaps before moving off.
aye, I said the same thing. didn't see your comment, that's why when a train stops it sounds like thunder rolling through all of the cars, the slack is closing between each knuckler in succession from front to back.
Easy explanation:
Steel wheels are smooth against rails meaning the slip reduces the actual weight
It’s not the slip it’s the fact that the steel doesn’t deform as much, reducing the rolling resistance, the locomotives that haul miles of those cars have steel wheels, and you don’t want any slip on the locomotive, it’s entirely rolling resistance.
0:35 is probably the biggest subtle flex I've seen this year!
I learned more from this 11 minute video than I did from 7 hours of school
I dont have school
HAHAHAHHAH BROO
*12 years of school
School is a business anyway
Same lmao 🤣
Ford: our car can pull 1,25 million pounds
Jason: well yes but actually no
Yup this video really shows how little people know about something they see daily. To need an explanation that it's different on a track vs roadway. I'd wager most people don't even know that exhaust coming out of trains puts 0% power to the wheels on most trains in the us. They're electric powered the diesel simply charges the electric and each axle can instantly and independently adjust power to limit or eliminate slip. The brakes also are held off not on by air pressure so they charge the lines and have a plug which gets pulled as the truck in this case decouples.
Cactus Rider yes almost all air brakes work that way and most people don‘t know. It is much safer that way tho, if the pressure fails the vehicle brakes and cannot move with failed brakes. In a normal car you don‘t know ur brakes dont work untill you need to brake and then it is likely to cause an accident
My Ford won't even start.
How can it pull 1 oz ?
@@loktom4068 If most people look under the hood they'd be surprised. What parts often keeping a car any from starting is usually not made by the company. Valero, bendix, bosch etc.. Not Chevy, Bmw, Ford, fiat.
@@bigsmoke9935 That's right the only thing checked is abs at 10-15. But the actual brakes many cars it's empty before a light triggers. In 40 years of driving I've had only one throw the brake light. Well when you still had enough pressure to stop normally. I'd think that would be more important to do auto low speed checks than only the abs/tc functionality.
Thank you for you’re enthusiasm and excitement concerning the practical application of math, physics and mechanics! Makes this stuff even more interesting!
And I've seen a bobcat move 5 railcars with a couple towropes. Where's my award for wiping my ass?
Ford : This is about to be the best marketing campaign ever.
Jason : Hold my dry erase board.
This
That's still a lot of ft-lbs of torque. The 5L F-150 only puts out 400 lb-ft of torque. This prototype is likely producing five or more times the torque.
bagehi Tesla’s best cars only make 758 ft lbs of torque. Of course the f-150 can be geared different to change that. But I highly doubt you are going to get 2,000 ft lbs out of it.
Jordan Prier yet they’re already pushing 1000 ft lbs with the diesel. Enough competition for dodge to market their diesel at 5 ft lbs more just to keep relevant
The campaign has already paid off. Look how many people are talking about. Winning!
"You're about to get more sad, so here we go!"
>ad starts
You were right.
It didnt start to me lol
If you have RUclips premium, no ads anywhere.
Ye
@@SDRob01 well, there are other ways to remove ads, just sayin
Wow, trains are crazy efficient
All Ford dealerships hate this guy and here's why.
Also important that you stated again that wheels are round.
Always a nice reminder
Excellent video. I’m not a math guy, but I can follow you as you work your way through the steps. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
The stunt is a display of how efficient trains are, nothing else.
The 2k dislikes are from Ford's marketing team
Beto is much more like-able since he dropped out of the presidential race.
Perpetual Wins
You mean Beta O’Male
Beta O’Soy
Keith Walker just stfu soy boy
Ahahhahahahahaha i was wondering who does this guy remember me of
lol that’s rude
*Hides Tesla Key under RUclips Sub plaque*
Nice little flex there.....
K nuts you mad bro?
@@elstingergt3374 why would I be mad? I said it was a "nice flex".
Weird flex but ok
I appreciate how much work he puts into his descriptions
Looks like my FWD Chevy Cavalier could even pull that train 😂
It would probably overheat.
@@someonefamous8671 as long as he has a can of starting fluid and a can of gas, top off and be should be fine.
Jason, dont lie.
How many times did you have to practice saying "Steel railroad wheels on steel railroad rails" before you could do it without messing up?
Because im up to like 8 so far and still cant do it
I start saying Steel railroad whales on stel relroad rels
Railroad is just a hard word to say fast lol
Rolling resistance of steel railroad wheels on steel railroad rails steered rails rowing rows of tolls stayed rolling on railroad rails made rays of real steel railroad radiation from real rays of sterling steel railroad
keep saying railwoad
Legit many, many times. Kept saying all kinds of random words by the time I got to railroad roads. Wait that's not even right. Ugh!
Ford I can tow over 1mil pounds
Him,hold my mathematics
That's like the weight of the UP big boy. They were over a million pounds lol.
🤣🤣
It’s more physics then math
The thing is, Ford demonstrated a completely fair test. No shenanigans. He basically tried to argue Ford made a claim, which they didn't make.
This is beyond an AP class
Ford wants to know your location.
I don't know why but the break down and math being walked through was so very pleasing to me. Thank you
Me: Can it pull all of that weight?
Engineering Explained: Well yes but actually no.
Dead meme
Find another meme format to use, this one was killed by 9 year olds
@@RandomNumber141 Well I commented this 2 months ago, and I'm not gonna keep updating it for you, dead or not, it fits well.
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Explains why train are so efficient.
Coal comes from Freedom.
He just did, low rolling friction between steel wheels and steel rails.
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Naoh Watson What?
@@doyouhavegainsonyourphone4507 what'd you expect from someone who's name is permanently misspelled?
Yeah that’s exactly what I thought, the steel wheels and track don’t have NEARLY as much resistance as tires on roads do. It’s why trains are so efficient in the first place.
I work in Boucherville, Canada and when the ice storm hit in 1998 and shut down the power grid, they derailed a locomotive and drove it down the street to city hall (destroying the street) and used it to provide power to the emergency shelter. Locomotives are basically giant diesel generators that power electric motors.
That is exactly what diesel electric locomotives are, a huge generator, powering electric motors.
Plus, trains have COMPRESSION COUPLINGS between each car, so the truck only needs to get one car of the train moving at a time; not the whole train at once.
Yep! Another factor which I did not discuss.
@@EngineeringExplained, if you ever watch a train
starting to move, you'll hear a series of thumps.
There is about an inch of play, in those couplings,
and that is on purpose. I was talking to a guy, who
drove locomotives, he said, without the slack, his
locomotive couldn't start a train moving.
steve
That is interesting to know. Always heard of the thumps when the train starts moving but never thought to question it.
@@steveskouson9620 auto racks have 3 feet of slack per car due to the cushion drawbars
Those are called End of Car Cushion units. Theres no "spring back" force assisting. They are there to reduce the buff force on the vehicles when they are going at speed.
Give it enough JD power and watch it go
Best in class train hauling?
JD Powah!
@@davidbeppler3032 Boi u look goofy af
@@DoctorRickSanchez Damn, that is my good side too. sad.
You think we forgot about the Tundra towing the Space Shuttle.
My Guy opens a bag of crisps..' Well guys today we are going to work out the force needed to open a bag of crisps'
TIL my old $1500 1998 V8 Ford Explorer can pull a train with the tow strap I bought at Walmart
Yes but my 1.9L TDI Golf can do that at 45MPG
My 2.4L Acura TSX can do it at 30mph
Meh, my diesel will haul it cross country and back if it had highrails. Afterall, what Union Pacific uses on their tie gangs.
So will my 1999 chevy blazer v6 apparently
haha was thinking the same thing.
That 1,250,000lbs load is about 500 tons I used to compete in strongman and have pulled a 100 ton load on railway tracks which in fact was easier than the average truck pull in strongman.
As explained in the video it took about 1875 lbs, so the 100 ton load would need 375lbs of force to start, so that's pretty well achievable for the average strongman which has a deadlift of at least 500lbs.
1875lbs of drawbar force is still a good number and only achievable for heavy, mainly 4WD vehicles like this truck or off road vehicles, most standard 2WD road cars will not have such a tractive effort.
Ford: Thinks they pulled off something that seems impressive and hopes no one will figure it out...
Engineering Explained: BRUH... oh really?... *hold my beer* and completely makes a foul out of ford...
Ford: oh... but it's still impressive? right?....
Other people: *face palms*....
Maybe if ford knew what physic's and force were, they wouldn't be making a foul out of them selves... like seriously, did ford really think that pulling 1.25 million pounds was hard to do on rails?... even a young person like me know's its not that hard... common ford, you guys are known for "apparently" having the best ideas!... "ApPaReNtLy"....
You took this really serious.. its simple. It looks cool. The stats never said it can pull 1 million.
@@allencrabbe8585 lol. I was putting some humor into it as well.. if anything, I was joking around and wasn't very "serious" but ok...
What the hell is "making a foul out of yourself?" 😂😂😂
Ford be like:
Yoyo come into this truck I have some candy for you
What you said is absolutely correct...This means that this very truck will be replacing all the Locomotive Trains and will surely bring down the cost of Transport as long as you are good with transport speed of 4.5 mph.
"You're about to get more sad!"-Engineering explained 2019
Well, realistically speaking, a normal ICE truck would burn out it's clutch while accelerating the cargo to a speed that it would be able to release that clutch. (Which would be about 4 mph. It wouldn't have enough power at those rpm though.)
F150 towes 1 million pounds
Cyber truck: piece of cake
So you're saying my Prius can tow one million Electric Fords, Got it!
Tow, tow, tow, them Fords, in your Prius' dreams.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, your Prius is a Queen. (no offense)
Tow, tow, tow then Fords, in your Prius' dreams.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, your Prius is a Queen. (no offense)
Kevin Lee you’ve got a point most people don’t realize. A lot of these small cars can barely even handle their own weight capacity versus a sports car with a transmission and gearing designed for the impact several hundred ft lbs of torque from a dig at a drag strip and not be deformed.
Kevin Lee he didn’t say he needed to do so more than once
EdgeRunner no but he likely couldn’t even do it once
Tow 'straps' instead of 'chains(&chains &chains & more chains)', is a good indicator of the maximum forces that play.
It's amazing how such simple physics elludes the vast majority of people.
It's basically like someone trying to market a crane as the strongest in the world because it can lift a million tons but demonstrating it with a strap/chain rated at 10 tons, anyone with half a brain will know right away something's up.
This stunt would have been so much cooler if they had it pull the Union Pacific Big Boy, the largest steam locomotive ever built, which also happens to weigh 1.25 million pounds
It's still impressive having that grip with an aluminum truck bed
If look closely the topoint on the truck is higher than on the train so that when it's pulling it's pulling the truck down in that sense since giving it more grip.
You forgot about F = m*A! Force on tow strap will be more than 1875.
If it took 303 seconds to reach 4.5 mph, that’s an additional 846lb force needed. So force on tow strap would be closer to 2721lb force.
Yes, 1875 is just the force to start movement, not to accelerate.
Love your content! Keep up the good work!
4.5mph = 2.012m/s
a = (2.012m/s - 0) / (303s) = 0.00664m/s^2
F = (566991kg)(0.00664m/s^2)
F = 3764N = 846lbf
for anyone wondering
Fortunately a 5000lb strap is only a couple dollars more. Can still pull trains on a shoestring budget.
@@Raven1024 Shoestring budget = like literally!
A Mercedes-Benz Unimog is rated for three times this weight, with less then 300hp. In the old days little train engines moved thousends of tons with less then 100hp. When you have the gearing and the grip you can pull anything. Nice stunt though.
As noted, inclines are a problem. Hence cog railways, with a gear on the loco and a toothed rack between the rails.
yeah,but the unimog has low ratio gearing as well as the high. this does not
Robi Flego You’re incorrect
@@kevinnorris6558 how? the thing has 20 gears... maybe the new auto ones have something else but the oldschool ones do have it like that
@@robivlahov Linear traction motors (such as those used in diesel electric locomotives) have one unique feature...torque is proportional to rotational speed. 100 hp in (~74500 W) at 1 RPM with a traction motor can get you up to 525,000 lb-ft of torque...
I felt like I was in math class through this video
Thank you Mrs. Delp from NHS for sparking my interest in physics
So basically, a 1945 international model M gasoline tractor running a 4.5:1 compression ratio can do this.
yeah, I'm thinking, what does the word 'tractor' mean?
Eric Anderson yes, and so could a team of somewhere around 8 horses I’d like to say...
@@chevyguy5525 Or any professional muscle trainer.
Yeah I've watched athletes do similar stunts just with their own strength.
Anything able to produce _______# of drawbar force could do it. Hell a football team with a big rope could do it.
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I have a book with a photo of a Kansas City Southern train in a flat location. The caption reads "a single GP40 is rated for 10,000 tons on this part of the railroad."
A GP40 is a medium-sized 3,000 horsepower locomotive from the 1960s that can comfortably develop 40,000 lb of tractive effort at 20 mph.
1.25 million pounds is 625 tons. If something like a GP40 can haul 10,000 tons in flat terrain, it makes sense that a pickup could manage 625 tons.
Great video, only note, you said 1800lbf is the force that the tow strap is enduring, but that's only true when constant velocity is applied, I wonder how much it had to handle during acceleration, and mostly when going from 0 to the first deltaV, which usually is the point of highest normal resistance.
That tow rope is a paid actor
Ford Mustang Ford F-350 Ford sucks
Imagine liking Ford
If you watched the video, you can tell he drives a Tesla
This guy definitely drives a Ford Mustang Ford F-350
leimeisei909 NOW they suck. I’d take a 70s or 80s F-350. No complicated electronics so I can fix it easier, not made of aluminum, and trucks seem to be made for luxury more than work now.
And also, why does the guy with the username “Ford Power Stroke” have a Mustang as their profile picture?
The moment I saw the Ford clip I thought of that strong man pulling a train gripped only with his teeth. I thought..."yeah, nice try Ford".
Similarly, I thought of the strongman competition in which they were pulling airplanes! Pulling a giant load on wheels... isn't that big of a deal with a truck lol
Yep. any lawnmower with correct gearing can do it.
I love doing these types of napkin calculations. Love the explanation and love your diagrams. Great video!
Damn. My ass slept in class again