Jim Staley - SABBATH DEBATE With Chris Rosebrough at Passion For Truth
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Table Of Content
Intro (0:00)
Jim Staley's Opening Statement (9:46)
Overview of Sabbath from creation.
Chris Rosebrough Opening Statement (29:28)
A look at the old and new covenant.
Jim Staley Rebuttal (49:10)
What is the law of God. Is it sin?
Chris Rosebrough Rebuttal (59:33)
Explains the writings of the church fathers
Jim Staley 2nd Rebuttal (1:09:18)
Early church was anti-semite and apostate on the issue of Sabbath.
Chris Rosebrough 2nd Rebuttal (1:16:33)
Jim Staley 10 min Cross Examination (1:22:44)
Chris Rosebrough admits that we are apart of the nation of Israel.
Chris Rosebrough 10 min Cross Examination (1:33:17)
Chris Rosebrough Closing Statements (1:43:35)
Jim Staley Closing Statements (1:47:15)
Closing Statements (1:51:56)
On May 10th, at 5:30pm, two Christian pastors shared the stage to debate a profound biblical question: Should Christians keep the Sabbath? Each man presented his case. This event was presented in front of a live audience at Passion for Truth Fellowship and was streamed live to thousands who tuned in.
The Participants
Jim Staley - is the director of Passion for Truth Ministries and Pastor/Teacher of Passion for Truth Fellowship in St. Charles, MO. He has been featured on God's Learning Channel, Sky Angel Network, WorldNetDaily, Sid Roth's It's Supernatural program and many others. His teachings and messages are heard daily and weekly on radio stations around the country and are translated into multiple languages and broadcasted into Christian television stations around the world. For years, Jim was an evangelical Christian apologist in the St. Louis area, teaching Bible study classes and equipping Christians to better defend their faith and evangelize. Since 2007 he has dedicated his life to helping believers further understand the Christian Roots of their faith by diving into the original cultural context, language and idiomatic expressions and how to apply them today.
Chris Rosebrough - is a Christian apologist, captain of Pirate Christian Radio, host of the Fighting for the Faith radio program, and Pastor at Kongsvinger Lutheran Church in Oslo, MN. He has been featured on the History Channel 2's series, The Bible Rules, and is a regular guest on the radio program, Issues, Etc., on KFUO in St. Louis. He has lectured at several conferences in the USA, and has been featured with prominent Christian authors and theologians such as, Phil Johnson & Dr. James White. Chris has a degree in religious studies & Biblical Languages.
After this argument I’m more convinced that we should keep the Sabbath and I’m a Sunday worshipper
Technically you can still worship on Sunday. Only Sabbath is to be kept holy and to rest on.
Jonny F thank you for your reply interesting perspective but how would I keep the sabbath holy?
@@solidbulletpro Quite simple: don't do your regular work/job, don't make anyone else work for you on the day. Taking care of animals and other people is permissible. I recommend spending time with the Lord deep in prayer and study of his word. Anything else is basically peripheral- you can drive to a Sabbath meeting with others if you want etc, but if it's too hard, don't worry about it
@@dandeliontea7 okay thank you
We sud keep one day holy separate for God, not both days.
Revelation talks of 1 true church and another a false Church.
Keeping Sabbath is the only one true church.
My dearest brothers with out a doubt one of the top 5 debates I have ever heard I was greatly blessed to the point of tears..I am weeping as I write this..thanks to all who made this happen!!!!
Keep the sabbath holy
I truly did not know what to believe about the Sabbath, until now, Jim Stanley truly won this debate, simply because he was sticking to scripture, but Chris was leaning more towards the church fathers not scripture, Chris said the Sabbath was for the Jews, but the scripture clearly states, for all (men) to keep the Sabbath day holy, and Jim's closing statement was the best, if I'm wrong about keeping the Sabbath day holy, I loses nothing, but if Chris is wrong about not keeping the Sabbath holy, he loses much more than just the debate, so I choose to be safe and keep the Sabbath day holy why not what do I have to lose
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God bless you Anthony, but I counted something over 25 scriptures which Chris mentioned, and often exegeted, in his first presentation. I also noted that Jim acknowledges how many Scriptures Chris quoted in his introduction to his second presentation. Chris also stated that he would briefly discuss the practice of Jesus' apostles in his second session, which, of course, he did.
You are in the right way, God bless you.
If you win the "debate" you are a good debater. Doesn't mean you are right.
The anti sabath guy had to draw from gnostics, heavily.
I believe ,if we Love Jesus,we should keep His Father's Commandments, all Ten.
Why, are you an ancient Israelite?
😊😍😘AMEN .
@@brianhyde5900 DEAREST BROTHER , PLEASE STUDY THE WORD OF GOD . 😊😘
@@CynthiaRothschild Oh because I have a different view than you, that means I haven't? Such arrogance. Go away and learn humility. Its found in the Bible, btw.
@@CynthiaRothschild When the religious like you come in, to build a wall between men, they won't win. because their wall is built of illusion and delusion.
Who else believes the sabith is on Saturday
Who else esteems all days alike?
+Litia Adams LOL. Very true.
Paul Beduhn It is good that you set apart time daily for studying God's word. And yes, there was only one day ever spoken of as being set apart. For you deciding to observed that day is between you and the Lord.
If someone believes Sunday is now the Sabbath they have missed it and are way off. Yeshuah is our Sabbath rest now.
There is no commandment that a person has to go to church on Saturday nor is there a commandment that a person has to go to church on Sunday. The sabbath was a shadow that pointed to Christ He is the substance in which we find our rest Heb 4 Heb 7 and Col 2
Primero Intern It is so refreshing to see that someone else actually "gets it"!
Blessings!
I can't believe I listened to pastors like Chris for many years.. it was long ago.. I always knew something is wrong with this "churchianity" nonsense...
I thank God Almighty for setting me free from the influence of those in error..
I'm free from these lies of protestantism for the last 6-7 yrs..
God is great! Shalom :-)
michal mazur yes there are many ppl being deceived by devil's doctrines though pastors dressed in sheep's clothing diluting the eternal doctrine of our true God & saviour ,the Sabbath of genesis is eternal we will be keeping the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord though eternity .I'm happy you found the truth unlike many others that say they love Jesus,but yet don't know him .ppl before Jesus were stoned for not keeping the Sabbath,,,God bless you always my brother ,let's get ready for the Sunday law ,,so not accept the Mark of the beast which is Sunday ,not some card,not chip ,seal of God is the Sabbath (Saturday)
Yes, He can’t even use the bible to back up His word about whether or not Christians should keep the Sabbath! Because He knows the bible would contradict what he is professing as a lie. He had to use some early church writings that are so polluted with error!
If you love Him obey His comments. Amen amen. God job Jim, thanks for sharing
sal tul , I hope you know Christians are under the new testament. Please quote to me just a single verse in the new testament that commanded Christians must keep the Sabbath. Thank you
One relied on the Bible. One relied on writings of the early church fathers.
If a person cannot prove their beliefs from scripture alone, then you have simply made up your own religion.
The early founders of SDA were solid... but still human.
William nordestee
Early SDA founders were neck deep in Kellogs cult teachings and Free Masons. You call that solid?
Here is your satanic cult keeping all the commandments of GOD?
www.RUclips.com/watch?v=0cyfcaKSrQc
**GOD wants to be worshipped HIS WAY no longer in an old covenant Jewish way and definately not in 35,000 and growing Protestant "man made" Golden Calf ways.***
BIBLICAL “FOREVER” COMMANDS OF WORSHIP
Does your Church meet the “forever” historical link all the way back to Judaism when Jesus Christ died on the cross, and from that point on until this very day celebrate the fulfillment of these “forever” liturgical worship commands of GOD in their “perfected” NEW COVENANT FORM?
1. Passover Feast (Exodus 12:14, 24) Jesus during the “Last Supper” transformed the “forever” GOD commanded Passover by replacing the lamb with Himself in all the Gospel accounts. (Jesus is described as the “Lamb of GOD” in John 1:29, 1 Peter 1:19, and in 1 Corinthians 5:7 “Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us”) In the OT, everyone celebrating the Passover Feast was commanded by GOD to eat the meat of the lamb for death to “Passover”. Could a Hebrew or later practicing Jew only “symbolically” eat the lamb and obey GOD??? Jesus was being liturgically consistent with the original “forever” OT Passover commands to “eat the meat of the lamb” culminating in His “hard” teaching in John 6:53-54: “Truly, Truly, I say to you, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, YOU DO NOT HAVE LIFE IN YOU. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood HAS ETERNAL LIFE”. NEWPASSOVER(CCC#611,13391340) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/the_paschal_mystery_how_jesus_celebrated_fulfilled_the_passover
2. Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16:30-33) CC has the altar and gives out the atoning blood provided by the “eternal” High Priest Jesus fulfilling Leviticus 17:11 “For the LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD, and I HAVE GIVEN IT FOR YOU UPON THE ALTAR TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR YOUR SOULS; for it is THE BLOOD THAT MAKES ATONEMENT, by REASON OF THE LIFE” (CCC 616,623) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/jesus_and_the_day_of_atonement
3. Tabernacle Feast (Leviticus 23:41-42) CC has the Tabernacle and fulfills this feast within the Mass. (CCC #1183,1090) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/tabernacles_old_testament_feast_and_eucharistic_fulfillment
4. Unleavened Bread Feast (Exodus 12:17) CC has “7 days” a week unleavened bread (CCC#1334) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/the_mystery_of_the_feast_of_unleavened_bread
5. Sanctuary Lamp (Exodus 27:20-21) CC has this burning constantly before the Tabernacle.
6. Tabernacle Candles (Leviticus 24:2-4) CC has special candles placed next to the Tabernacle as commanded (CCC #1154, 1189)
7. Tabernacle Bread of the Presence (Leviticus 24:5-9, Exodus 25:30) Jesus Christ becomes the true fulfilled “Bread of the Presence” during the Mass consecration. (CCC #1378)
8. Leviticus Priesthood (Exodus 29:7-9, Exodus 40:15, 1 Chronicles 23:13, *Numbers 25:12-13, *Jeremiah 33:14-22, *Isaiah 66:21, Malachi 2:4-7, Malachi 3:3) Jesus fulfills the Levi Covenant promise by ordaining and reconciling the 12 apostles (tribes) for priesthood in the Upper Room to “do this in remembrance of me” (CCC #611, 1337). Proof? John 13:1-20 Jesus prior to His passion washes and “purifies” the Apostles to prepare them for priestly altar work (fulfilling Malachi 3:3 and the “forever” priest washing in Exodus 30:21). Like OT “Forever” Feasts, a Leviticus form of priesthood has to preside at the altar of sacrifice, be washed, and ultimately has to abstain or be celibate to even touch the “Bread of the Presence” (CCC # 1541-2) Jesus is the “pure offering” presented by the priesthood through “daily” Mass across the world fulfilling Malachi 1:11 prophesy.
9. Priest Washing (Exodus 30:21) CC Priests complete a washing before consecration (CCC #1337)
10. Priestly Share (Numbers 18:22-23) CC Priests are the first partakers of the Holy Eucharist, and receive offerings to the Church (CCC #2043)
11. Animal Sacrifice (Leviticus 7:36-38; Deuteronomy 12:26-28, Exodus 29:42) Jesus is the described fulfillment “Lamb of GOD” (John 1:29 and 1 Corinthians 5:7) (CCC #608, 613)
12. Grain Offering (Leviticus 6:9-11; 23:13-14) CC has bread and wine offering from parishioners brought up to the priests and the altar. (CCC #1334, 1350)
13. Incense Burning (Exodus 30:8) CC Mass celebrate with incense on various occasions. (CCC #1154)
14. Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Matthew 12:8, Luke 6:5 “For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath”. The day our Risen Lord showed us what to do in Luke 24:13-35 and “how He was made known to them in the breaking of the bread”. The risen Jesus obeys His Heavenly Father's "perpetual" celebration command being on "the day after Sabbath" per Leviticus 23:11-14, Pentecost 15-21, and verse 39 Tabernacle Feast being the “First day” and “Eighth Day” which is one in the same SUNDAY or “First Day of the Week”. CC follows our Risen Lord’s lead with “breaking of bread” or celebrating the “forever” NEW COVENANT PASSOVER on Sundays. CC even fulfills Jesus’s “Our Father” prayer “give us this day our daily bread” (Jesus compared Himself to OT manna in John 6:31-35) by providing the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER “daily”.
The Hebrew word “olam” or English translations “forever, everlasting, or perpetual” was clearly understood by the Jewish people as they still are “forever” obeying GOD’s liturgical commands and celebrating a form of the original Passover, Unleavened Bread, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacle Feasts to this very day.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21) making us part of the NEW CREATION ( 2 CORINTHIANS 5:17, GALATIANS 6:15) to enter into the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH of worship (Isaiah 66:18-23).NEW ADAM + NEW CREATION + NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH = NEW SABBATH (Pentecost is "forever" GOD commanded on what "day" in Leviticus 23:15 with a day of rest in verse 21??? Hebrews 4:7-9??? "HE AGAIN SETS A CERTAIN DAY ” AND “ GOD WOULD NOT SPEAK LATER OF ANOTHER DAY " ).
So, if the Church was "born" on Pentecost through the "same day" the NEW ADAM was resurrected on, then what "day" would we get "reborn" (John 3:5) on to "LIVE in the "Spirit of the law" (Romans 8:2) being LOVE (John 13:34) of the NEW COVENANT???
@Brother Joseph ,
NEW COVENANT PASSOVER fulfills all "forever" old covenant feasts.
**GOD wants to be worshipped HIS WAY no longer in an old covenant Jewish way and definately not in 35,000 and growing Protestant "man made" Golden Calf ways.***
BIBLICAL “FOREVER” COMMANDS OF WORSHIP
Does your Church meet the “forever” historical link all the way back to Judaism when Jesus Christ died on the cross, and from that point on until this very day celebrate the fulfillment of these “forever” liturgical worship commands of GOD in their “perfected” NEW COVENANT FORM?
1. Passover Feast (Exodus 12:14, 24) Jesus during the “Last Supper” transformed the “forever” GOD commanded Passover by replacing the lamb with Himself in all the Gospel accounts. (Jesus is described as the “Lamb of GOD” in John 1:29, 1 Peter 1:19, and in 1 Corinthians 5:7 “Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us”) In the OT, everyone celebrating the Passover Feast was commanded by GOD to eat the meat of the lamb for death to “Passover”. Could a Hebrew or later practicing Jew only “symbolically” eat the lamb and obey GOD??? Jesus was being liturgically consistent with the original “forever” OT Passover commands to “eat the meat of the lamb” culminating in His “hard” teaching in John 6:53-54: “Truly, Truly, I say to you, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, YOU DO NOT HAVE LIFE IN YOU. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood HAS ETERNAL LIFE”. NEWPASSOVER(CCC#611,13391340) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/the_paschal_mystery_how_jesus_celebrated_fulfilled_the_passover
2. Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16:30-33) CC has the altar and gives out the atoning blood provided by the “eternal” High Priest Jesus fulfilling Leviticus 17:11 “For the LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD, and I HAVE GIVEN IT FOR YOU UPON THE ALTAR TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR YOUR SOULS; for it is THE BLOOD THAT MAKES ATONEMENT, by REASON OF THE LIFE” (CCC 616,623) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/jesus_and_the_day_of_atonement
3. Tabernacle Feast (Leviticus 23:41-42) CC has the Tabernacle and fulfills this feast within the Mass. (CCC #1183,1090) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/tabernacles_old_testament_feast_and_eucharistic_fulfillment
4. Unleavened Bread Feast (Exodus 12:17) CC has “7 days” a week unleavened bread (CCC#1334) www.salvationhistory.com/studies/lesson/the_mystery_of_the_feast_of_unleavened_bread
5. Sanctuary Lamp (Exodus 27:20-21) CC has this burning constantly before the Tabernacle.
6. Tabernacle Candles (Leviticus 24:2-4) CC has special candles placed next to the Tabernacle as commanded (CCC #1154, 1189)
7. Tabernacle Bread of the Presence (Leviticus 24:5-9, Exodus 25:30) Jesus Christ becomes the true fulfilled “Bread of the Presence” during the Mass consecration. (CCC #1378)
8. Leviticus Priesthood (Exodus 29:7-9, Exodus 40:15, 1 Chronicles 23:13, *Numbers 25:12-13, *Jeremiah 33:14-22, *Isaiah 66:21, Malachi 2:4-7, Malachi 3:3) Jesus fulfills the Levi Covenant promise by ordaining and reconciling the 12 apostles (tribes) for priesthood in the Upper Room to “do this in remembrance of me” (CCC #611, 1337). Proof? John 13:1-20 Jesus prior to His passion washes and “purifies” the Apostles to prepare them for priestly altar work (fulfilling Malachi 3:3 and the “forever” priest washing in Exodus 30:21). Like OT “Forever” Feasts, a Leviticus form of priesthood has to preside at the altar of sacrifice, be washed, and ultimately has to abstain or be celibate to even touch the “Bread of the Presence” (CCC # 1541-2) Jesus is the “pure offering” presented by the priesthood through “daily” Mass across the world fulfilling Malachi 1:11 prophesy.
9. Priest Washing (Exodus 30:21) CC Priests complete a washing before consecration (CCC #1337)
10. Priestly Share (Numbers 18:22-23) CC Priests are the first partakers of the Holy Eucharist, and receive offerings to the Church (CCC #2043)
11. Animal Sacrifice (Leviticus 7:36-38; Deuteronomy 12:26-28, Exodus 29:42) Jesus is the described fulfillment “Lamb of GOD” (John 1:29 and 1 Corinthians 5:7) (CCC #608, 613)
12. Grain Offering (Leviticus 6:9-11; 23:13-14) CC has bread and wine offering from parishioners brought up to the priests and the altar. (CCC #1334, 1350)
13. Incense Burning (Exodus 30:8) CC Mass celebrate with incense on various occasions. (CCC #1154)
14. Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Matthew 12:8, Luke 6:5 “For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath”. The day our Risen Lord showed us what to do in Luke 24:13-35 and “how He was made known to them in the breaking of the bread”. The risen Jesus obeys His Heavenly Father's "perpetual" celebration command being on "the day after Sabbath" per Leviticus 23:11-14, Pentecost 15-21, and verse 39 Tabernacle Feast being the “First day” and “Eighth Day” which is one in the same SUNDAY or “First Day of the Week”. CC follows our Risen Lord’s lead with “breaking of bread” or celebrating the “forever” NEW COVENANT PASSOVER on Sundays. CC even fulfills Jesus’s “Our Father” prayer “give us this day our daily bread” (Jesus compared Himself to OT manna in John 6:31-35) by providing the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER “daily”.
The Hebrew word “olam” or English translations “forever, everlasting, or perpetual” was clearly understood by the Jewish people as they still are “forever” obeying GOD’s liturgical commands and celebrating a form of the original Passover, Unleavened Bread, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacle Feasts to this very day.
JESUS CHRIST IS THE NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21) making us part of the NEW CREATION ( 2 CORINTHIANS 5:17, GALATIANS 6:15) to enter into the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH of worship (Isaiah 66:18-23).NEW ADAM + NEW CREATION + NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH = NEW SABBATH (Pentecost is "forever" GOD commanded on what "day" in Leviticus 23:15 with a day of rest in verse 21??? Hebrews 4:7-9??? "HE AGAIN SETS A CERTAIN DAY ” AND “ GOD WOULD NOT SPEAK LATER OF ANOTHER DAY " ).
So, if the Church was "born" on Pentecost through the "same day" the NEW ADAM was resurrected on, then what "day" would we get "reborn" (John 3:5) on to "LIVE in the "Spirit of the law" (Romans 8:2) being LOVE (John 13:34) of the NEW COVENANT???
@Brother Joseph ,
A Sacrament that has salvation written all over it. Much more than a "personal relationship" it is a marriage covenant between GOD and His chosen people - "Marriage Supper of the Lamb". ***You need an altar and Catholic priest to enter that covenant relationship.***
How do all Catholics become His ONE BODY, ONE "VISIBLE" CHURCH, ONE TEMPLE OR ONE BRIDE???
"Real Presence" or Holy Eucharist Defense
1. "Pascal lamb"
In Exodus 12:3-14 GOD "forever" liturgically commands the PASSOVER as a means of proper worship. In the Passover, GOD REQUIRED the "lamb" to be consumed for "Death to Passover" (Exodus 12:3-8). Then Jesus, the "Lamb of GOD" (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1:19), transforms this "forever" GOD commanded PASSOVER Feast during the "Last Supper" (in every synoptic Gospel account) into the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19). Further, in context of the PASSOVER (John 6:4) Jesus Christ's "Bread of LIFE" discourse He REQUIRES us to "abide" in His BODY and BLOOD for "Death to Passover" (John 6:54-58). ***Protestants, Jesus Christ states the consequences of not partaking of Him in John **6:53**.***
Additional John Chapter 6 Proof??? In John 6:60, everyone was disbelieving Jesus's "hard" teaching (John 6:54-58) about the Holy Eucharist. So, put yourself in Jesus's shoes how would you respond to people disbelieving you??? Wouldn't you want to provide some sort of "proof" or "evidence" you mean what you say??? How does Jesus Christ respond to His disbelievers in John 6:60 and what "proof" will He provide to them and you per John 6:62???
2. "Heavenly Manna"
GOD provided "Spiritual Food and Drink" (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) to His old covenant people, so wouldn't Jesus Christ provide something for His NEW COVENANT chosen people???
Jesus Christ compares Himself to the old covenant "Heavenly Manna" in John 6:31-35. Jesus teaches how the "Heavenly Manna" that came down "daily" will now actually be Him (John 6:51-58).
In the "Our Father" prayer Jesus Christ states "give us THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD" that actually refers to the NEW COVENANT MANNA or Jesus Christ Himself as the "BREAD OF LIFE" (John 6:35, 48, 51).
Acts 2:46. The Catholic Church has been "breaking bread (of LIFE) daily" of the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19) before the Book of Acts was even written in the mid 60's AD, all along since Jesus Christ's death in 33AD, and to this very day fulfilling Malachi 1:11 prophecy all across the world "daily"!!!
3. "HOW HE WAS MADE KNOWN TO THEM in the Breaking Bread" (Luke 24:35)
In the Luke 24:13-35 "Road to Emmaus" scriptures, there is a clear "structure" of worship being referrenced - being the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER or better known as the Catholic Mass.
In Luke 24:27, there is an opening up of the old testament Sacred Scriptures (Readings). Then, a clear explanation of how Jesus Christ fulfilled all the old covenant prophecies and covenant promises (Homily). Then, we have a "participation in" (1 Corinthians 10:16-17) the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER "breaking of bread" where the "Lamb of GOD" Jesus Christ ultimately becomes "KNOWN" to us.
Protestants, what does Jesus Christ say to you refusing to "break bread" and "become KNOWN" to Him in His ONE and ONLY "Kingdom of GOD" here on earth - being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH - per Luke 7:21-23??? Still saved???
4. "Bread of the PRESENCE"
Along with the Passover, GOD "forever" liturgically commands the "Bread of the PRESENCE" to be part of proper worship of Him in Leviticus 24:5-9.
In the old Jewish Temple, the old "Heaven and Earth" of worship, a veil seperated two main worship rooms.
In the outer room was the "Bread of the PRESENCE". A veil separated it from the inner room that was called the HOLY of HOLIES, where no one could enter but the High Priest once a year. This inner room the HOLY of HOLIES is where Jews believed God's "real presence" remained.
So, when Jesus Christ died the veil was reported to have been "torn" (Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45). Thus, liturgically speaking there no longer remains any barrier between GOD'S presence and the "Bread of the PRESENCE" (Matthew 28:20).
So, if the veil was "torn" allowing GOD'S presence in the Holy of Holies to flow to the "BREAD of the PRESENCE" in the outer room of worship, then what does the Holy Eucharist or "Bread of the PRESENCE" truly become in the fulfilled NEW COVENANT FORM???
5. "ONE BREAD ONE BODY"
1 Corinthians 10:16-17. If the "many" become "ONE BODY" through "participation in" the ONE SACRIFICE of the "Lamb of GOD" Jesus Christ in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER, then how can the Holy Eucharist logically be a mere symbol as Protestants purport???
Truly, we can ONLY become ONE BODY (1 Corinthians 10:16-17, Ephesians 5:29-32), ONE FLOCK (John 10:16), ONE TEMPLE (1 Corinthians 3:17), ONE CHURCH (Ephesians 4:4-6), ONE BRIDE (2 Corinthians 11:2) through the "ONE" Jesus Christ (John 6:54-58) the "Lamb of God" (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1:19) in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19).
6. "EAT AND DRINK JUDGMENT UPON OURSELVES"
1 Corinthians 11:27-29. If "partaking unworthily" is "eating and drinking JUDGMENT upon ourselves", then once again how logically can the Holy Eucharist merely be a symbol as Protestants purport???
7. Partaking of "Divinity" (John 6:55-56, 2 Peter 1:4, Catechism #460) is the only way to become a true Son or Daughter of GOD.
In the Garden of Eden man was created in the "image" and "likeness" of GOD. Through Adam and Eve's disobedience it caused us to lose our "likeness" to GOD (original sin). For how can GOD's "likeness" and goodness ever mix with sin??? (John 3:6, Romans Chapter 5) Jesus Christ is the NEW ADAM OF OBEDIENCE.
In God's beautiful salvation plan He takes a "do not partake" old Adam of disobedience and the removal of the "TREE OF LIFE" (Genesis 3:23), and completely transforms it into telling us to "partake" of the "TREE OF LIFE".
Catholics actually receive His priest, prophet and King "divinity" in the Holy Eucharist, thereby obtaining our "likeness" back if we only partake "worthily" (1 Corinthians 11:27-29). We truly become "divine" Sons and Daughters of GOD by "uniting" with Jesus Christ the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21). As a result, we become a part of GOD'S NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15, Ephesians 1:10, Colossians 1:15-17, 20) here on earth.
The "TREE OF LIFE" hangs above every Catholic Church altar.
8. "Thanksgiving" or Jewish Todah
In this Jewish Messianic prophecy feast the "lamb" sacrifice had to occur at the same time the "bread and wine" was consecrated. Just as the Jews believed they were "participating in" the original timeless and eternal first PASSOVER when celebrating their old covenant "forever" GOD commanded Passover (Exodus 12:14), so do we Catholics believe we are "participating in" the ONE SACRIFICE of Jesus Christ during the consecration of the bread and wine (1 Corinthians 10:16-17) in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER.
The Greek "Eucharistia" or English meaning "Thanksgiving" Feast for what Jesus Christ has done for us is the source, summit, and ultimate high point of worship in the NEW COVENANT.
9. "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" (Revelation 19:9).
Every CATHOLIC during the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER "Mass" enters the aisle and approaches the "Bridegroom" Jesus Christ the "Lamb of God" who hangs above every single Catholic altar. We see the "Bridegroom" who emptied Himself out of love for us on the cross - for His ONE and ONLY "BRIDE" - the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
The "right and just" response of each and every Catholic is to give all of ourselves back to Him in the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" NEW COVENANT PASSOVER.
Historical support per Early Church Father beliefs on the "Real Presence" Holy Eucharist:
www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html
Be "ONE WITH CHRIST" by accepting His ONE and ONLY BODY in the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
Sabbath is not a brand new teaching. It has always been. There have always been Sabbath keeping churches - The Waldensians, Albigensians, Early Celtic Church, Seventh Day Adventist and many more. Anyone debating the Sabbath will lose since the Sabbath is based on the bible. It is never a fair debate, God always wins. One comment which Jim Staley stated at 10:16 that "it is not a salvation issue", Breaking the law, any of the law a salvation issue. The wages of Sin is Death. Rm 6:23
What is new is that the Sabbath truth is coming out and starting to go main stream! Praise God~!
+hopgoblin1 You have said: ///"One comment which Jim Staley stated at 10:16 that "it is not a salvation issue", Breaking the law, any of the law a salvation issue. "///
Rm 6:23 The wages of Sin is Death.*(Question: Are you going to die? Answer: Yes)* Then you have broken Gods law haven't you.
The Apostle James says, If You Break One, you have broken ALL of them. James 2:10
As Born-Again Christians, We are saved by Faith alone, by grace alone, By JESUS CHRIST alone. There is nothing that you can do to maintain (it (salvation)), or to earn it. or your salvation would be by you, and not God.
***** Were sinners, And we sin all the time, Even the Apostle John includes himself in his epistles to us.
1 John 1:8
If *::>we,:::* claim to be without sin, *::wewenothing
The Waldensians, Albigensians, Early Celtic Church etc were FORMER Catholics. They have NOT always been. Only Catholics existed until the Reformation and we know they didn't keep the Sabbath, they kept the first day. The Western nor Eastern Church kept the Sabbath. Ironic that the Waldensians accepted the Nicean Creed which is a Catholic creed and the Canon of the NT which was decided by the Catholic church.
As a Catholic of the Latin Rite I agree. Ironic that the Protestants rail against the Catholics and yet it was our Church which determined the Canon of Scripture. In the 4th Century the council of Carthage and Hippo came together to decide which books are canon, the final decision was made by Pope Damacus 1st.
The book of Revelation which is used by Sabbatarians in attacking the Catholic church was actually considered non canonical by most Church fathers it was hotly debated. The one who infallibly declared the book of Revelation inspired Scripture was Pope Damacus the 1st. Now here is the kicker if the Catholic church has no authority via Apostolic and Papal succession there is no way for you to know which books of the NT are scripture. The early Church fathers themselves disagreed and had different NT lists of books.
Another point is that the council declared which books were NOT scripture e.g. Shepherd of Hermas, 7 letters of St. Ignatius (which many fathers wanted included in the canon).
+hopgoblin1 The Waldensians never kept the Sabbath, more importantly the early church never kept the Sabbath, so you are wrong on this. Majority of church history the Christians worshiped on Sunday based on (Acts 20:7) So please research early church history on this, not many Sabbath keepers do because they know their beliefs can't be supported by the early church who went by Scripture.
This is the best short 20 minutes of preaching on the Sabbath I have heard
You are not reading the law of God,you areading other verses which is not the law.only an occasion!
@@sumbodi9533 Okay. Teach me then. Often it's a matter of perception and weighting certain scriptures more than another. Please instruct me further on the sabbath.
Spot on Cory, this is powerfully preached.
The true rest, is the baptism of the Holy Ghost, thats the rest Jesus Gave the Aposltes on the day of Pentecost. Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Jesus said: Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.:-Matthew 11:28. Jesus did say he would give them rest, but he did not give them it on that day. If he did, then he would not have afterward spoken of another day… and, after his resurrection, he said: Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father [the Holy Spirit] upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Now here is that other day - Acts 2:1-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues [other languages], as the Spirit gave them utterance [as the Holy Spirit gave them to utter]. This was the day!... the day that the apostles entered into his rest, and… they became a part of his body… Now if this wasn’t true, then there would not have been a precept for it. - Isaiah 28:10-12 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue [other languages] will he [Jesus, the Holy Ghost] speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. They would not hear… some will not hear, even though every word is upon the word… Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Even though they know it’s the truth… 'For if Jesus had given them rest, then he would not have afterward spoken of another day'… 'Again, he limiteth a certain day'… 'And when the day of Pentecost was fully come'… 'this is the refreshing'… Isaiah 28:12 …This is the rest… 'yet they would not hear'.
This was the most wonderful debate have ever watched in my entire life and I agree with Jim. The law of God was never done away with and that includes the Sabbath which always points Him out as our creator in Genesis 20:8 and Saviour in Deuteronomy 5:15.
Engineer Ntini
That’s not what the bible says.
2Cor 3: 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 ¶ But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 ¶ Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
Truth In Love, Please tell me the Sabbath, whether it is a ceremonial or a moral law? Thank you.
Truth In Love, The law of God was fulfill NOT done away including the Sabbath which is a ceremonial law. I hope you know Christians are under the new testament. Please quote to me just a single verse in the new testament that commanded Christians must keep the Sabbath. Thank you
@@93556108 what are you talking about.
Surely my Sabbaths you shall keep in perpetuity as a sign that I am your God and you are my people. I will seal them as a frontlet between your eyes and a sigil on your hand
The counterfeit is: and he would cause all, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark on their forehead and their hand ......
Choose wisely.
@@darthvader5532 I am also asking you the same question, WHAT are you talking about?
Your quote “Surely my Sabbaths you shall keep in perpetuity as a sign that I am your God and you are my people”. Who was God talking to?
In case you don’t know to whom God made this Covenant with, I quote “(Deu 5:1) And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.(Deu 5:2) The LORD our God made the covenant with us in Horeb”.
Are you clear now, God was talking to ISRAEL and his old or Mosaic covenant is perpetual to them and NOT to Christians living under the new covenant. Please choose wisely by understanding the scripture before you could apply it correctly. Repent before it is too late.
Why the debate? Jesus kept the Sabbath. Follow Jesus, there will be no error.
Sorry, Jesus broke the sabbath .
@@14antsand Jesus was accused of breaking the sabbath, but He didn't. If He broke any part of the law then He wouldn't have been the perfect example for us or our sinless atonement.
Mervis Anderson
Jesus kept the Sabbath. Sure. Because He was born a Jew, born under the Law, to deliver us from the Law. To be "under the Law" means that a person is under the power and authority of the Law. That Law is no more with Jesus' passion, death and resurrection.
Peace
@@econs999 Jesus saved everyone who would believe in Him from the condemnation of the law. John 3:17. Sin was nailed to the cross (Jesus became sin) and it's consequence, death, were defeated at the cross. The law was not nailed to the cross and done away with.
@@dashulamite
Why wasn't the law done away with? What do you understand by "law"?
Peace
The Sabbath is the best day of the week. Period.
skapiricore Jesus was in the grave on the Sabbath and it is the nest day of the week, right?
Christ is the best sabbath. He is our eternal rest. We can now celebrate the sabbath in reality. The jews became so proud when they can keep the sabbath. That is the problem of the heart, deceitful above all things. But Christ came to provide us a better way to change the stony heart into a heart of flesh. The old covenant was done away, became obsolete! Do you understand english?? English is just my second language but i understand much better than you native speakers!!! Dont keep stretching and twisting the word of God just to suit your man made doctrines. The language used in the Bible are so plain and simple that even a child can understand.. .
I AM a Christian sabbath keeper. The sabbath was commanded by God through Moses, but IT was originally modeled by GOD for US in Genesis 2. His reason for resting must have been for US, as God (omnipotent spirit) has no need of physical rest.
Ever noticed most of what was created or made in days 1-6 was balanced? God is balanced and his creation is balanced:
light and dark
heaven and earth
land and sea
fish and fowl
sun and moon
likewise there is
good and evil
saved and damned
Heaven and Hell throughout his word
balance........!
So then, work and rest! He balanced days 1-6 (work, strive, struggle) against day 7 (rest, refresh, reset) and so should WE.
God worked, rested, and THEN he blessed and sanctified the seventh day.
The sabbath is not merely a holy day for the Jews/Israelites, but THE HOLY DAY FOR ALL GOD'S SONS AND DAUGHTERS.
He commands us to keep it (physically abstaining from work, any non-emergency servile labor) and to keep it "holy" (free from worldly strife and worldly consumption-and CENTERED AROUND HIM).
It is my belief that IF we keep the sabbath, and keep it holy, we do so with our God, whom we love. And he has made a special promise to the son of the stranger who joins himself to the Lord. IF he keeps the sabbath and keeps it holy.
[Isaiah 56: 3 and 6-8].
BeBlessed!
So, which day of the week do you keep Lord's Sabbath?
Ridiculous
if i was the second speaker, and i just heard the first bro speak so clearly upon the Sabbath, (with historical and biblical facts) I would have cancelled my presentation.
because the point should not be to win the argument but to obtain the truth and be closer to God. (as all true worshippers will do)
Could bring more light upon your points?
As I see, the question for debate is: Is Sabbath day keeping is still important or not? Am I right?
If I am right for the main idea of debate, I will appreciate not the facts, but the spirits first!
As a judge, and I can judge, as Jesus says: search spirits, - Chris didn't show love and compassion as he must show towards opponent! Without love any word is empty, even a word of God!
So, the importance to pay attention not on words/arguments, but on spirits is enormous!
I know what I am saying and I am ready to put my head down for the words I said!
They should have more time for exposing their believes, making in few parts!
I wish to debate for the question: Which day is the Lord's Sabbath: Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
What do you think: which is the one? God bless you!
Amen!! I agree with.
Amen!!!
Апостол Павел Genesis 2:22 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
@@37Iulian what do you think Friday, Saturday or Sunday,? why not give us the truth?
Go to the airport@ the wrong day& the wrong time& see if your plane is sitting there waiting on YOU!
Great and inportant depate! Keeping the sabbath and the other biblical feastdays has been such a blessing for me and my family! And both the sabbath and the feastdays are beautiful and all points to Jesus. They're all about HIM and I feel so grateful and blessed that God has given us this amazing gift that has been hidden to God's people for so many years. It was through Jim Staley's teachings that our eyes where opend to this and for that we will be eternaly grateful to him!
Col 2:16-17 Shows the Sabbath, New Moon and Holy Days are shadows which pointed to the reality, type met anti-type just as in Hebrews 10 that the Temple, sacrifices, priesthood, the person of Jesus, his Messiahship fulfills these Old Covenant rites.
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Col 2:16-17
10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming-not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Hebrews 10:1-2
The true rest, is the baptism of the Holy Ghost, thats the rest Jesus Gave the Aposltes on the day of Pentecost. Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Jesus said: Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.:-Matthew 11:28. Jesus did say he would give them rest, but he did not give them it on that day. If he did, then he would not have afterward spoken of another day… and, after his resurrection, he said: Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father [the Holy Spirit] upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Now here is that other day - Acts 2:1-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues [other languages], as the Spirit gave them utterance [as the Holy Spirit gave them to utter]. This was the day!... the day that the apostles entered into his rest, and… they became a part of his body… Now if this wasn’t true, then there would not have been a precept for it. - Isaiah 28:10-12 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue [other languages] will he [Jesus, the Holy Ghost] speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. They would not hear… some will not hear, even though every word is upon the word… Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Even though they know it’s the truth… 'For if Jesus had given them rest, then he would not have afterward spoken of another day'… 'Again, he limiteth a certain day'… 'And when the day of Pentecost was fully come'… 'this is the refreshing'… Isaiah 28:12 …This is the rest… 'yet they would not hear'.
@@MD-vz9ec We can always find rest in Jesus. This rest that you mentioned is a spiritual type of rest in Him and by being filled with the Holy spirit, a sort of inner peace that he fills His children with and that will give us comfort even in difficult times. This however doesn't remove the sabbath day. Nowere does it say that the sabbath day is removed. The sabbath is a special day that God has set apart for His children to rest on. The sabbath is a day when we get physical rest and rest from all obligations and just spend time together with family, friends and with our Father and maybe have a holy congregation. God knows that our bodies and minds needs rest so He gave us this day as a gift. Sure we can rest and worship our Father any day, but just like the other of Gods special feastdays, the sabbath is set apart and an apointed meeting time if you will that our Father has set to meet with his children. The festdays (including the sabbath) are called moedim in hebrew wich means apointed time and dress reherseal. In these days, He will meet with us in a special way and they are also ment to be a preparation for His second coming. People who opose to the sabbath and Gods feastdays tend to know very little about them and therefore missunderstand them, their purpose and what an amazing blessing they are. They are also prophetic and 100 % about Jesus and therefore very relevant for all of His followers including christians.
I don't know if you have actually watched the sabbath debate or if you just went straight to the comment section, but if you haven't watched it, I incourage you to do that. God bless you!
@@andrewjohn2124 Pastor Jim adresses those verses in the debate. Did you actually watch it or did you go straight to the comment section? If you didn't watch it, I incourage you to do that first.
@@EmelieTh the holy Ghost is not a sort of inner peace, it is the only inner peace, it is the person of Jesus CHRIST Dwelling in you, it is the seal of GOD eph4:30 and eph 1:13. it is not an intellectual feeling, because when you are filled with the holy Spirit, you are saying you are filled with God. And yes i did watch it, and i notice that they both are right whenever they quote the word, but when they turned to their own understanding, they took the emphasis off of Christ, and placed it in the law, or in grace, or faith or in works. they need to accept all the scripture as whole, and not partly.
Jim said something though, that they both believe and are wrong, because again they took the emphasis off of Jesus.
We are not grafted into Israel, we are grafted into Christ. Christ is the trunk of the tree, not Israel. If you say you're grafted into Isreal, then you make Israel the true vine, but Christ said i am the true Vine. “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.”- John 15:1(kjv) So Israel isnt the vine, they are also branches. “I am the vine, ye are the branches: ...”- John 15:5(kjv) The scriptures must agree. Isreal was also a branch, an original branch, from that trunk or vine, which is Christ the word, they were taken off, as the scripture said. “Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.”- Romans 11:19(kjv)
So some of Israel(the Jews/the branches) were broken off, off the vine(Christ), so that the the Gentiles could be grafted in, into the vine(Christ). “And if some of 👉the branches👈 be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;”- Romans 11:17(kjv) So its not about Israel, please fix this... it's about Christ. We are not grafted into Israel and are now Israelites, (as so many believe) we are Grafted into Christ, and are now Christians (or whatever u wanna call it), we are now apart of his body. Apart of the kingdom of God, the body of believers.
We became that when we believed his word and... received of his Spirit. "For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.- 1Corinthians 12:12(kjv)"
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.- 1Corinthians 12:13(kjv)" The Jews were broken off when they rejected that word/his Spirit, "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: ...-John 15:2(kjv)"
See?... Because they said we will not have this man(the Word) to rule over us. “But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.”- Luke 19:14(kjv)
“And they cried out again, Crucify him.”- Mark 15:13(KJV)
“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:”- Romans 11:20(kjv)
But when God is finish with the gentiles, and the gentile dispensation is over (the gentile age Rom 11:25/Luke 21:24), which is about to a happen, Christ will return to the Jews in the form of Two Prophets, and they will preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the Israelites (the 14400) that are predistinated to accept that message, will then be grafted back into Christ(the true vine) again. “And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.”- Romans 11:23(kjv)
So Jews and Gentiles are to come into Christ, not Gentiles come into Jews, . What? Are we to serve Jews or Christ? and are Jews to serve themselves or Christ Jesus? We are not grafted into Judaism, that doctrine is a false. Some fake law keepers will trick you with that. They say "oh, we are grafted in, so we have to keep the law," (not saying that we shouldn't keep the law) But my question is always, 'grafted into what?... not into Judaism, but into Christ.'
He is the Vine. Not israel. Isreal is a branch just like you.
“I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.”- John 15:5(kjv)
So now that you know the truth, becareful not to disbelieve, “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.”- Romans 11:21(kjv)
It is not the olive tree of Isreal, but the olive tree of God. Christ was that olive tree. Olive oil means 'anointing', that's why they anointed the old testament priest and prophets with oil, because it is a type/sign which represents being anointed by the Holy Spirit. And olive means 'anointed'. Tree means 'man'. Olive tree, means 'anointed man or anointed one. And Christ was that 'anointed one'.
Remember these scriptures?...
“The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against 👉his anointed👈, saying,”- Psalms 2:2(kjv)
“The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against 👉his Christ👈.”- Acts 4:26(kjv)
“And 👉he shall be like a tree👈 planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; ...”- Psalms 1:3(kjv)
See?
And remember the 2 prophets?... of Revelation 11:10,4,3
Zechariah describes them as 2 olive trees, 2 anointed ones.
Zechariah 4:¹¹ Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
… ¹⁴ Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.(kjv)
besides the fact that Jim was on point with all of the Scriptures it amazes me that Chris seems to put man’s word “the early church fathers” higher than God‘s word, Therefore Chris puts more weight I’ll let man has to say about the Scriptures instead of taking the Scriptures for what they actually mean .
True. Here's what Apostle Paul believed, in his own words!
10 Then Paul, after that the governor had beckoned unto him that he should speak, answered, I do the more gladly answer for myself...
14 *But this I confess unto thee, that after the way (which they call heresy) so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and the Prophets...*
-Acts 24: 10, 14
The Bible mentions that Paul is described as a Ringleader of the Nazarene Sect". The "Early Church Fathers" actually have written about this "Nazarene Sect", and what they believe!
nazarenejudaism.com/?page_id=203
Can’t stand how he quotes man and not the Bible.
I didnt care for all the outside remarks that weren’t scripture...as a Lutheran knowing Martin Lutheran later turned against the Jews, how could you stay in that denomination?
How can anyone, dare to make no effect, that which was written with the Finger of God
All Ten Commandments, are very much alive.
Jesus said that they are eternal in Luke 16:17
God can. God started the church on a Sunday. It was called Pentecost.
3,000 were saved.
The Jewish people kept time by a lunar calendar. Then there was the 8 day calendar. Now there is a 7 day calendar. When you go to church on Saturday you can never be sure it is a Sabbath day.
Because Faye the Lunar Calendar is and always has been a Seven day Calendar. Go tell all the Jews in the world. That they do not know how to read their own Calendar.
Faye Lewis
Your reply is ...LAME
Do you expect me to believe that Jesus Christ didn't know what day the Sabbath is ?
Even the National Aeronautics agency.... confirms that the Sabbath that God had given 6000 years ago to Adam is the same day is today.
It's a simple as counting from 1 to 7.
All you have to do is count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. To arrive at the true Sabbath
The Jews weren't keeping the wrong day for the past 2000 years.
Satan has you very deceived.
How people can hold to such light esteem, that which was written with the FINGER OF GOD is beyond me.. Exodus 20:8
Like the Steve McQueen look. Good points.
Amen Steve
God knew that human beings would forget, that's why He wrote "REMEMBER the Sabbath day".
What day of the week do you keep as Lord's Sabbath?
@@37Iulian ,
How do all Catholics become His ONE BODY, ONE "VISIBLE" CHURCH, ONE TEMPLE OR ONE BRIDE???
"Real Presence" or Holy Eucharist Defense
1. "Pascal lamb"
In Exodus 12:3-14 GOD "forever" liturgically commands the PASSOVER as a means of proper worship. In the Passover, GOD REQUIRED the "lamb" to be consumed for "Death to Passover" (Exodus 12:3-8). Then Jesus, the "Lamb of GOD" (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1:19), transforms this "forever" GOD commanded PASSOVER Feast during the "Last Supper" (in every synoptic Gospel account) into the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19). Further, in context of the PASSOVER (John 6:4) Jesus Christ's "Bread of LIFE" discourse He REQUIRES us to "abide" in His BODY and BLOOD for "Death to Passover" (John 6:54-58). ***Protestants, Jesus Christ states the consequences of not partaking of Him in John **6:53**.***
Additional John Chapter 6 Proof??? In John 6:60, everyone was disbelieving Jesus's "hard" teaching (John 6:54-58) about the Holy Eucharist. So, put yourself in Jesus's shoes how would you respond to people disbelieving you??? Wouldn't you want to provide some sort of "proof" or "evidence" you mean what you say??? How does Jesus Christ respond to His disbelievers in John 6:60 and what "proof" will He provide to them and you per John 6:62???
2. "Heavenly Manna"
GOD provided "Spiritual Food and Drink" (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) to His old covenant people, so wouldn't Jesus Christ provide something for His NEW COVENANT chosen people???
Jesus Christ compares Himself to the old covenant "Heavenly Manna" in John 6:31-35. Jesus teaches how the "Heavenly Manna" that came down "daily" will now actually be Him (John 6:51-58).
In the "Our Father" prayer Jesus Christ states "give us THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD" that actually refers to the NEW COVENANT MANNA or Jesus Christ Himself as the "BREAD OF LIFE" (John 6:35, 48, 51).
Acts 2:46. The Catholic Church has been "breaking bread (of LIFE) daily" of the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19) before the Book of Acts was even written in the mid 60's AD, all along since Jesus Christ's death in 33AD, and to this very day fulfilling Malachi 1:11 prophecy all across the world "daily"!!!
3. "HOW HE WAS MADE KNOWN TO THEM in the Breaking Bread" (Luke 24:35)
In the Luke 24:13-35 "Road to Emmaus" scriptures, there is a clear "structure" of worship being referrenced - being the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER or better known as the Catholic Mass.
In Luke 24:27, there is an opening up of the old testament Sacred Scriptures (Readings). Then, a clear explanation of how Jesus Christ fulfilled all the old covenant prophecies and covenant promises (Homily). Then, we have a "participation in" (1 Corinthians 10:16-17) the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER "breaking of bread" where the "Lamb of GOD" Jesus Christ ultimately becomes "KNOWN" to us.
Protestants, what does Jesus Christ say to you refusing to "break bread" and "become KNOWN" to Him in His ONE and ONLY "Kingdom of GOD" here on earth - being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH - per Luke 7:21-23??? Still saved???
4. "Bread of the PRESENCE"
Along with the Passover, GOD "forever" liturgically commands the "Bread of the PRESENCE" to be part of proper worship of Him in Leviticus 24:5-9.
In the old Jewish Temple, the old "Heaven and Earth" of worship, a veil seperated two main worship rooms.
In the outer room was the "Bread of the PRESENCE". A veil separated it from the inner room that was called the HOLY of HOLIES, where no one could enter but the High Priest once a year. This inner room the HOLY of HOLIES is where Jews believed God's "real presence" remained.
So, when Jesus Christ died the veil was reported to have been "torn" (Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45). Thus, liturgically speaking there no longer remains any barrier between GOD'S presence and the "Bread of the PRESENCE" (Matthew 28:20).
So, if the veil was "torn" allowing GOD'S presence in the Holy of Holies to flow to the "BREAD of the PRESENCE" in the outer room of worship, then what does the Holy Eucharist or "Bread of the PRESENCE" truly become in the fulfilled NEW COVENANT FORM???
5. "ONE BREAD ONE BODY"
1 Corinthians 10:16-17. If the "many" become "ONE BODY" through "participation in" the ONE SACRIFICE of the "Lamb of GOD" Jesus Christ in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER, then how can the Holy Eucharist logically be a mere symbol as Protestants purport???
Truly, we can ONLY become ONE BODY (1 Corinthians 10:16-17, Ephesians 5:29-32), ONE FLOCK (John 10:16), ONE TEMPLE (1 Corinthians 3:17), ONE CHURCH (Ephesians 4:4-6), ONE BRIDE (2 Corinthians 11:2) through the "ONE" Jesus Christ (John 6:54-58) the "Lamb of God" (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1:19) in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19).
6. "EAT AND DRINK JUDGMENT UPON OURSELVES"
1 Corinthians 11:27-29. If "partaking unworthily" is "eating and drinking JUDGMENT upon ourselves", then once again how logically can the Holy Eucharist merely be a symbol as Protestants purport???
7. Partaking of "Divinity" (John 6:55-56, 2 Peter 1:4, Catechism #460) is the only way to become a true Son or Daughter of GOD.
In the Garden of Eden man was created in the "image" and "likeness" of GOD. Through Adam and Eve's disobedience it caused us to lose our "likeness" to GOD (original sin). For how can GOD's "likeness" and goodness ever mix with sin??? (John 3:6, Romans Chapter 5) Jesus Christ is the NEW ADAM OF OBEDIENCE.
In God's beautiful salvation plan He takes a "do not partake" old Adam of disobedience and the removal of the "TREE OF LIFE" (Genesis 3:23), and completely transforms it into telling us to "partake" of the "TREE OF LIFE".
Catholics actually receive His priest, prophet and King "divinity" in the Holy Eucharist, thereby obtaining our "likeness" back if we only partake "worthily" (1 Corinthians 11:27-29). We truly become "divine" Sons and Daughters of GOD by "uniting" with Jesus Christ the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21). As a result, we become a part of GOD'S NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15, Ephesians 1:10, Colossians 1:15-17, 20) here on earth.
The "TREE OF LIFE" hangs above every Catholic Church altar.
8. "Thanksgiving" or Jewish Todah
In this Jewish Messianic prophecy feast the "lamb" sacrifice had to occur at the same time the "bread and wine" was consecrated. Just as the Jews believed they were "participating in" the original timeless and eternal first PASSOVER when celebrating their old covenant "forever" GOD commanded Passover (Exodus 12:14), so do we Catholics believe we are "participating in" the ONE SACRIFICE of Jesus Christ during the consecration of the bread and wine (1 Corinthians 10:16-17) in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER.
The Greek "Eucharistia" or English meaning "Thanksgiving" Feast for what Jesus Christ has done for us is the source, summit, and ultimate high point of worship in the NEW COVENANT.
9. "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" (Revelation 19:9).
Every CATHOLIC during the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER "Mass" enters the aisle and approaches the "Bridegroom" Jesus Christ the "Lamb of God" who hangs above every single Catholic altar. We see the "Bridegroom" who emptied Himself out of love for us on the cross - for His ONE and ONLY "BRIDE" - the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
The "right and just" response of each and every Catholic is to give all of ourselves back to Him in the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" NEW COVENANT PASSOVER.
Historical support per Early Church Father beliefs on the "Real Presence" Holy Eucharist:
www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html
Be "ONE WITH CHRIST" by accepting His ONE and ONLY BODY in the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
@@37Iulian ,
What else points to a "NEW SABBATH" besides GOD promising to end the old "Harlot Sabbath"(Hosea 2:11, Lamentations 2:6, 2:9, Luke 16:16) through the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21) Jesus Christ, NEW COVENANT (Luke 22:19), NEW LAW (John 13:34) and (Hebrews 4:7-9) "AGAIN, HE SETS A CERTAIN DAY" and "GOD WOULD NOT SPEAK LATER OF ANOTHER DAY"???
Acts 2:1. The Church (ONE BODY) was "born" on Pentecost being the "same day" the NEW ADAM Jesus Christ (ONE HEAD) was "reborn" on per Matthew 28:1.
Leviticus 23:15-21. What "day" is Pentecost "forever" celebrated on with a "day of rest"???
Please list out FULLY Leviticus 23:15 and tell me what "day" that is???,
1 God was talking to Israelites, NOT all humans. 2 "Remember" because it was a ceremony which required preparation. That's all..
Lies, they are told to remember because on chapter 18 they were told about the sabbath and they disobeyed
Jim Staley won this debate by 7 knockouts. No doubt about it.
One would only think this if they held to the same faulty hermeneutic as Staley.
Funny that you chose the number 7 because that's the number of years that Staley was sentenced to federal prison for criminal fraud...
keep the Sabbath because Christ did it and so should we
Christ kept all the law...so what about you?
***** I agree, the only sabbath rest I keep is Christ....not an old covenant law.
He was also circumcized religiously on the 8th day ...are you and was it done on the 8th day?
queenless eightyone thats not biblical study the bible meditate on God's word .
Amen
Thank God He is coming! Jesus save us from our sins. Victory in Jesus.
AMEN !!!
Save us from ourselves, Jesus.
God is the author of Sabbath.
Thank you so much Pastor Jim stanley, as for me & my house we will serve the Lord.
If you would like more information on Sabbath, You can have a PDF that covers all the scriptures on Sabbath organized by topic emailed to you - www.chadgleaves.com/sabbathdebate/
There is no Sabbath law for born again Christians, because - the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: " against such there is no law"........ Galatians 5:22-23....... " against such there is no law" ..............................
Okay born again Christian. Exodus 12:49; One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
One Law for all people not two! And as for quoting Paul writings? Understand what he said and what Peter said about his writings. Romans 7:1; Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Paul is speaking to them that know the Old Testament, not picking a verse here and one there? But Peter says it best: 2 Peter 3:15-17; And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
So in all Paul's writings, even when he was walking around with them, some people didn't understand what he was saying! Just as the statements above. Unlearned and wrestle with this verse and that verse to your own destruction.
Verse 17; Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Basically, you should stay out of Paul writings. Shalom.
your boss gives you a day off in a week you say there is no law for taking the day off because what?
Show me my and your boss in the Bible?
Plus do they have a Heaven or Hell to put you in?
Genesis 2:2-3; And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Can you show me in scripture Anywhere God Rested, Blessed, and Sanctified another day, and Jesus stated He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Mark 2:28; Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Jesus said this. Who are you going to listen to, your boss or Jesus?
I will leave you with this: Revelation 22:14-16; Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. nI am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Blessed are them that do what? His commandments. Only they will have that right to the tree of life and enter through the pearly gates. All without, not doing them is what? Verse 15 say some pretty bad things about people (dogs, whoremongers, liars). But look who said it? Verse 16, Jesus!
claim down king james, my comment was towards the truth whose not telling the truth.
In explaining at the 1:22:00 mark, how LOVE fulfills the law, he uses the examples of loving your neighbor fulfills the commands. I submit that observing the Sabbath fulfills the FIRST command to LOVE YHWH above all.
***** Being part of the 10 commandments, all the Pauline scriptures need not be debated. NO ONE argues from the point that we can do away with the other 9 commands. The Sabbath was from the beginning, not originating in the Mosaic Levitical law.
@@debrakcarey ,
SDA Protestant pastors don't want you to know this:
1. The Seventh Day Adventist Protestant denomination was not even thought of by a "man" in Battle Creek, MI until 1863AD, so how can there remotely be any claim back to Jesus Christ or outrageously "Genesis"??? The truth is the SDA Protestant denomination is just another "man made" division of 35,000 and growing divisions stemming from a 1500's "man" Martin Luther.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Seventh-day_Adventist_Church
2. SDA's don't want you to understand in the Book of Daniel it was referencing the Antiochus persecution of the Jews that is thoroughly corroborated in history and the Book of Maccabees.
3. SDA's don't want you to understand in the Book of Revelation the "Beast" (Roman Empire) and the "Harlot" (Jews) have already teamed up to not only kill our Lord (John 19:15), but all the early Church Saints. And yes, the "Beast" (Roman Empire) did in fact "devour" the "Harlot" (Revelation 17:16) with utter destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD as Jesus Christ accurately predicted in Matthew 24:34 or within one "generation" (40 years) of His prophecy.
4. SDA's don't want you to understand the old covenant Jews never ever separated the 10 Commandments from all 613 Commandments:
www.jewfaq.org/m/613.htm
Per Jewish law and the Word of GOD
Galatians 5:3-4 ***"I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace."***
5. SDA don't want you to understand we get "born again" (John 3:5) through the NEW ADAM OF OBEDIENCE Jesus Christ (Romans 5:12-21, 6:3-13, 7:6, 8:2, 10:4, Galatians 2:19-20, 3:19-25, 4:19-31, 5:18) to live in the "Spirit of the Law" being the NEW COVENANT COMMANDMENT of "LOVE" (John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17, Romans 7:6, 8:2) or "Law of Christ" (1 Corinthians 9:21, Galatians 6:2) that fulfills ALL the old covenant laws (Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14) and we actually become part of the NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 6:15).
6. SDA'S don't want you to know about GOD'S promise to "end" all the old Jewish covenant "Harlot Sabbaths" per Hosea 2:11, Lamentations 2:6, 2:9, Luke 16:16, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 3:19-25, Hebrews 8:13.
And, what day all the Leviticus Chapter 23 "forever" feasts point to - being "the day after Sabbath" as the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19) fulfills all these old covenant "shadow" feasts (Hebrews 10:1) .
7. SDA'S don't want you to know about the NEW COVENANT PRIESTHOOD or Levi covenant promise (Jeremiah 33:14-22, Malachi 2:4-7, 3:3) where GOD said He would take in "some" Gentile "priests" fulfilling Isaiah 66:18-21 prophecy - necessitating a "change" in the law to allow "some" Gentile priests:
Hebrews 7:12 "For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well."
8. SDA's don't want you to know the power of being baptized through the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21) Jesus Christ and how we are no longer "under" old covenant worship laws (Romans 6:14-15, 7:6, 7:10-11, 8:2, 10:4, 1 Corinthians 9:20-21, 2 Corinthians 3:3-11, 5:17, Galatians 3:19-25, 4:21-31, Hebrews 7:12, 8:13) and instead in a state of "GRACE" as long as we remain Holy.
9. SDA's don't want you to know that you can actually "FALL FROM GRACE" when you deliberately sin (Hebrews 10:26-27, 29).
How you will need the "power" the ONE MEDIATOR Jesus Christ gave to His ONE and ONLY established Church being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH per John 20:23 and Matthew 16:18 to be reconciled with GOD again - in order to be back in a state of "GRACE" or "SAVED" through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
10. SDA's don't want you to understand there is a NEW COMMAND in the NEW COVENANT (John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17) of "GRACE" (Romans 6:14-15, Galatians 5:18).
What does LOVE do??? (Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14). Ever wonder why the Ten Commandments were written on "two" tablets of stone??? 1. LOVE of GOD fulfills the first three commandments 2. LOVE of NEIGHBOR fulfills the remaining seven commandments. LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW and elevates the old covenant laws to perfection and serve as a reminder of what will happen if we are unloving and "FALL FROM GRACE" (Hebrews 10:29).
11. SDA's want you to believe "breaking bread" is just another Jewish meal instead of the transformation of the old covenant "forever" GOD commanded Passover (Exodus 12:14) into the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19). How we must eat the "Lamb of GOD" for "death to truly Passover" (John 6:4, 54-58).
1 Corinthians 10:16-17. All Catholics "participate in" the ONE SACRIFICE of Jesus Christ the "Lamb of God" and in consuming His ONE BODY (John 6:55) in the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" we truly "BECOME HIS ONE BODY", "the Church" a "Temple" holding the fulfilled forever liturgically commanded "Bread of the Presence" (Levicticus 24:5-9, Matthew 24:20):
www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html
May GOD open your eyes to these Biblical and historical truths that the ONE and ONLY established Church of Jesus Christ is and forever will be the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH (Matthew 16:18).
Debra Carey all other laws hang on those two
@@brianrosenberg6563 ,
How do all Catholics become His ONE BODY, ONE "VISIBLE" CHURCH, ONE TEMPLE OR ONE BRIDE???
"Real Presence" or Holy Eucharist Defense
1. "Pascal lamb"
In Exodus 12:3-14 GOD "forever" liturgically commands the PASSOVER as a means of proper worship. In the Passover, GOD REQUIRED the "lamb" to be consumed for "Death to Passover" (Exodus 12:3-8). Then Jesus, the "Lamb of GOD" (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1:19), transforms this "forever" GOD commanded PASSOVER Feast during the "Last Supper" (in every synoptic Gospel account) into the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19). Further, in context of the PASSOVER (John 6:4) Jesus Christ's "Bread of LIFE" discourse He REQUIRES us to "abide" in His BODY and BLOOD for "Death to Passover" (John 6:54-58). ***Protestants, Jesus Christ states the consequences of not partaking of Him in John **6:53**.***
Additional John Chapter 6 Proof??? In John 6:60, everyone was disbelieving Jesus's "hard" teaching (John 6:54-58) about the Holy Eucharist. So, put yourself in Jesus's shoes how would you respond to people disbelieving you??? Wouldn't you want to provide some sort of "proof" or "evidence" you mean what you say??? How does Jesus Christ respond to His disbelievers in John 6:60 and what "proof" will He provide to them and you per John 6:62???
2. "Heavenly Manna"
GOD provided "Spiritual Food and Drink" (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) to His old covenant people, so wouldn't Jesus Christ provide something for His NEW COVENANT chosen people???
Jesus Christ compares Himself to the old covenant "Heavenly Manna" in John 6:31-35. Jesus teaches how the "Heavenly Manna" that came down "daily" will now actually be Him (John 6:51-58).
In the "Our Father" prayer Jesus Christ states "give us THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD" that actually refers to the NEW COVENANT MANNA or Jesus Christ Himself as the "BREAD OF LIFE" (John 6:35, 48, 51).
Acts 2:46. The Catholic Church has been "breaking bread (of LIFE) daily" of the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19) before the Book of Acts was even written in the mid 60's AD, all along since Jesus Christ's death in 33AD, and to this very day fulfilling Malachi 1:11 prophecy all across the world "daily"!!!
3. "HOW HE WAS MADE KNOWN TO THEM in the Breaking Bread" (Luke 24:35)
In the Luke 24:13-35 "Road to Emmaus" scriptures, there is a clear "structure" of worship being referrenced - being the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER or better known as the Catholic Mass.
In Luke 24:27, there is an opening up of the old testament Sacred Scriptures (Readings). Then, a clear explanation of how Jesus Christ fulfilled all the old covenant prophecies and covenant promises (Homily). Then, we have a "participation in" (1 Corinthians 10:16-17) the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER "breaking of bread" where the "Lamb of GOD" Jesus Christ ultimately becomes "KNOWN" to us.
Protestants, what does Jesus Christ say to you refusing to "break bread" and "become KNOWN" to Him in His ONE and ONLY "Kingdom of GOD" here on earth - being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH - per Luke 7:21-23??? Still saved???
4. "Bread of the PRESENCE"
Along with the Passover, GOD "forever" liturgically commands the "Bread of the PRESENCE" to be part of proper worship of Him in Leviticus 24:5-9.
In the old Jewish Temple, the old "Heaven and Earth" of worship, a veil seperated two main worship rooms.
In the outer room was the "Bread of the PRESENCE". A veil separated it from the inner room that was called the HOLY of HOLIES, where no one could enter but the High Priest once a year. This inner room the HOLY of HOLIES is where Jews believed God's "real presence" remained.
So, when Jesus Christ died the veil was reported to have been "torn" (Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45). Thus, liturgically speaking there no longer remains any barrier between GOD'S presence and the "Bread of the PRESENCE" (Matthew 28:20).
So, if the veil was "torn" allowing GOD'S presence in the Holy of Holies to flow to the "BREAD of the PRESENCE" in the outer room of worship, then what does the Holy Eucharist or "Bread of the PRESENCE" truly become in the fulfilled NEW COVENANT FORM???
5. "ONE BREAD ONE BODY"
1 Corinthians 10:16-17. If the "many" become "ONE BODY" through "participation in" the ONE SACRIFICE of the "Lamb of GOD" Jesus Christ in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER, then how can the Holy Eucharist logically be a mere symbol as Protestants purport???
Truly, we can ONLY become ONE BODY (1 Corinthians 10:16-17, Ephesians 5:29-32), ONE FLOCK (John 10:16), ONE TEMPLE (1 Corinthians 3:17), ONE CHURCH (Ephesians 4:4-6), ONE BRIDE (2 Corinthians 11:2) through the "ONE" Jesus Christ (John 6:54-58) the "Lamb of God" (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1:19) in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19).
6. "EAT AND DRINK JUDGMENT UPON OURSELVES"
1 Corinthians 11:27-29. If "partaking unworthily" is "eating and drinking JUDGMENT upon ourselves", then once again how logically can the Holy Eucharist merely be a symbol as Protestants purport???
7. Partaking of "Divinity" (John 6:55-56, 2 Peter 1:4, Catechism #460) is the only way to become a true Son or Daughter of GOD.
In the Garden of Eden man was created in the "image" and "likeness" of GOD. Through Adam and Eve's disobedience it caused us to lose our "likeness" to GOD (original sin). For how can GOD's "likeness" and goodness ever mix with sin??? (John 3:6, Romans Chapter 5) Jesus Christ is the NEW ADAM OF OBEDIENCE.
In God's beautiful salvation plan He takes a "do not partake" old Adam of disobedience and the removal of the "TREE OF LIFE" (Genesis 3:23), and completely transforms it into telling us to "partake" of the "TREE OF LIFE".
Catholics actually receive His priest, prophet and King "divinity" in the Holy Eucharist, thereby obtaining our "likeness" back if we only partake "worthily" (1 Corinthians 11:27-29). We truly become "divine" Sons and Daughters of GOD by "uniting" with Jesus Christ the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21). As a result, we become a part of GOD'S NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15, Ephesians 1:10, Colossians 1:15-17, 20) here on earth.
The "TREE OF LIFE" hangs above every Catholic Church altar.
8. "Thanksgiving" or Jewish Todah
In this Jewish Messianic prophecy feast the "lamb" sacrifice had to occur at the same time the "bread and wine" was consecrated. Just as the Jews believed they were "participating in" the original timeless and eternal first PASSOVER when celebrating their old covenant "forever" GOD commanded Passover (Exodus 12:14), so do we Catholics believe we are "participating in" the ONE SACRIFICE of Jesus Christ during the consecration of the bread and wine (1 Corinthians 10:16-17) in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER.
The Greek "Eucharistia" or English meaning "Thanksgiving" Feast for what Jesus Christ has done for us is the source, summit, and ultimate high point of worship in the NEW COVENANT.
9. "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" (Revelation 19:9).
Every CATHOLIC during the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER "Mass" enters the aisle and approaches the "Bridegroom" Jesus Christ the "Lamb of God" who hangs above every single Catholic altar. We see the "Bridegroom" who emptied Himself out of love for us on the cross - for His ONE and ONLY "BRIDE" - the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
The "right and just" response of each and every Catholic is to give all of ourselves back to Him in the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" NEW COVENANT PASSOVER.
Historical support per Early Church Father beliefs on the "Real Presence" Holy Eucharist:
www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html
Be "ONE WITH CHRIST" by accepting His ONE and ONLY BODY in the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
@@debrakcarey , what are the implications of Jesus Christ being the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21) and giving us a NEW COMMANDMENT (,John 13:34) in the NEW COVENANT???
If anyone watch this debate and still reject Sabbath, i have no words to say… the heart has been harden.
Wangshol L, Please tell me the Sabbath, whether it is a ceremonial or a moral law? Thank you.
@@93556108 It’s a moral law. It came before ceremonial laws according to Genesis 2:1-3.
@@93556108 To add what Brandon said, the sabbath is a commandment wrote by God and given by God
@@kingPerry34 granted but God gave that commandment to who? I quote God's commandment addressed to them, the Israelites- (Eze 20:12) Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
There is no record in the old testaments the gentiles were punished for not keeping the sabbath. (Ephesians 2:11-12.)
@@93556108 Israel was supposed to be the light to spread the word to surrounding nations, in Exodus 12&13 you will see there was a mix multitude, Ruth n Rahab was not Israelites but the kept the sabbath, the people in Nineveh also kept the sabbath but they were not Jews also in Exodus chapter 20 God mention the stranger, read Isaiah 65:1-8
People get really upset when they think their Sunday worship is being challenged - this debate established that the disciples met on the first day of the week to worship, donate their income, etc...
NONE of those things have anything to do with keeping Sabbath, lol. Sabbath is simple... it is DELIBERATE REST, from Friday evening to Saturday evening.
That’s it folks! But the scary part about the resistance to Sabbath is the heart of those resisting. Deliberate rest is a good thing but yet people are fighting it because... wait for it... the flesh has enmity to God’s Law.
People, if you hate the idea of obedience to God’s Law, you need to examine thyself quickly before it’s too late.
“FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE, HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY. BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM. But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.”
HEBREWS 10:37-39 NASB
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What do you make of this? Seems like some folk are gonna “shrink back”. But those truly in Christ will not.
We don’t gain salvation nor do we keep it in our works, but from what I can tell, because it is impossible to know a man’s heart, we can only conclude his position in Christ by his steadfastness. That much is clear in Scripture. - those in Christ will remain in Christ and exemplify abiding in Him by obeying His commandments. Consider then these passages:
“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.”
JOHN 15:4, 6, 10 NASB
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And also,
“Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.”
1 JOHN 5:1-3 NASB
“if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law, if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and soul. "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.”
DEUTERONOMY 30:10-11 NASB
Exodus 20:8 KJV
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Numberless words need not be put upon paper to justify what speaks for itself and shines in its clearness. Truth is straight, plain, clear, and stands out boldly in its own defense; but it is not so with error. It is so winding and twisting that it needs a multitude of words to explain it in its crooked form.
David Malachi how do you a sinner keep that which is holy holy?
Lucy Atura Ponder the words of the command very carefully. It DIDNT say Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy...God said Remember the Sabbath TO keep it holy. How does God's people Israel...(both the Nation of Israel that were born into it naturally and those of us reborn/grafted into it spiritually)...how do we keep the Sabbath holy? By REMEMBERING it... remember that God made it the 7th day, that He blessed it, that He rested in it and eventually told His people to do the same. The holy part He already took care of. And the "rest" part to ME doesn't feel like a command as much as it is an invitation...that I gratefully accept every week from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. That is the Sabbath.
Here's an analogy. If I had a birthday party and I called you and told you to come because it was so much fun, and you came and it was so much fun, and when you were leaving I said Remember my birthday party was so much fun....would I be saying keep the memory of my party so that it will be fun...or would I be saying my party was a fun memory that you should remember.?
The Sabbath is a holy day that we should remember!
@@shellylarue9661 ,
SDA Protestant pastors don't want you to know this:
1. The Seventh Day Adventist Protestant denomination was not even thought of by a "man" in Battle Creek, MI until 1863AD, so how can there remotely be any claim back to Jesus Christ or outrageously "Genesis"??? The truth is the SDA Protestant denomination is just another "man made" division of 35,000 and growing divisions stemming from a 1500's "man" Martin Luther.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Seventh-day_Adventist_Church
2. SDA's don't want you to understand in the Book of Daniel it was referencing the Antiochus persecution of the Jews that is thoroughly corroborated in history and the Book of Maccabees.
3. SDA's don't want you to understand in the Book of Revelation the "Beast" (Roman Empire) and the "Harlot" (Jews) have already teamed up to not only kill our Lord (John 19:15), but all the early Church Saints. And yes, the "Beast" (Roman Empire) did in fact "devour" the "Harlot" (Revelation 17:16) with utter destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD as Jesus Christ accurately predicted in Matthew 24:34 or within one "generation" (40 years) of His prophecy.
4. SDA's don't want you to understand the old covenant Jews never ever separated the 10 Commandments from all 613 Commandments:
www.jewfaq.org/m/613.htm
Per Jewish law and the Word of GOD
Galatians 5:3-4 ***"I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace."***
5. SDA don't want you to understand we get "born again" (John 3:5) through the NEW ADAM OF OBEDIENCE Jesus Christ (Romans 5:12-21, 6:3-13, 7:6, 8:2, 10:4, Galatians 2:19-20, 3:19-25, 4:19-31, 5:18) to live in the "Spirit of the Law" being the NEW COVENANT COMMANDMENT of "LOVE" (John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17, Romans 7:6, 8:2) or "Law of Christ" (1 Corinthians 9:21, Galatians 6:2) that fulfills ALL the old covenant laws (Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14) and we actually become part of the NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 6:15).
6. SDA'S don't want you to know about GOD'S promise to "end" all the old Jewish covenant "Harlot Sabbaths" per Hosea 2:11, Lamentations 2:6, 2:9, Luke 16:16, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 3:19-25, Hebrews 8:13.
And, what day all the Leviticus Chapter 23 "forever" feasts point to - being "the day after Sabbath" as the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19) fulfills all these old covenant "shadow" feasts (Hebrews 10:1) .
7. SDA'S don't want you to know about the NEW COVENANT PRIESTHOOD or Levi covenant promise (Jeremiah 33:14-22, Malachi 2:4-7, 3:3) where GOD said He would take in "some" Gentile "priests" fulfilling Isaiah 66:18-21 prophecy - necessitating a "change" in the law to allow "some" Gentile priests:
Hebrews 7:12 "For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well."
8. SDA's don't want you to know the power of being baptized through the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-21) Jesus Christ and how we are no longer "under" old covenant worship laws (Romans 6:14-15, 7:6, 7:10-11, 8:2, 10:4, 1 Corinthians 9:20-21, 2 Corinthians 3:3-11, 5:17, Galatians 3:19-25, 4:21-31, Hebrews 7:12, 8:13) and instead in a state of "GRACE" as long as we remain Holy.
9. SDA's don't want you to know that you can actually "FALL FROM GRACE" when you deliberately sin (Hebrews 10:26-27, 29).
How you will need the "power" the ONE MEDIATOR Jesus Christ gave to His ONE and ONLY established Church being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH per John 20:23 and Matthew 16:18 to be reconciled with GOD again - in order to be back in a state of "GRACE" or "SAVED" through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
10. SDA's don't want you to understand there is a NEW COMMAND in the NEW COVENANT (John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17) of "GRACE" (Romans 6:14-15, Galatians 5:18).
What does LOVE do??? (Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14). Ever wonder why the Ten Commandments were written on "two" tablets of stone??? 1. LOVE of GOD fulfills the first three commandments 2. LOVE of NEIGHBOR fulfills the remaining seven commandments. LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW and elevates the old covenant laws to perfection and serve as a reminder of what will happen if we are unloving and "FALL FROM GRACE" (Hebrews 10:29).
11. SDA's want you to believe "breaking bread" is just another Jewish meal instead of the transformation of the old covenant "forever" GOD commanded Passover (Exodus 12:14) into the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19). How we must eat the "Lamb of GOD" for "death to truly Passover" (John 6:4, 54-58).
1 Corinthians 10:16-17. All Catholics "participate in" the ONE SACRIFICE of Jesus Christ the "Lamb of God" and in consuming His ONE BODY (John 6:55) in the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" we truly "BECOME HIS ONE BODY", "the Church" a "Temple" holding the fulfilled forever liturgically commanded "Bread of the Presence" (Levicticus 24:5-9, Matthew 24:20):
www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html
May GOD open your eyes to these Biblical and historical truths that the ONE and ONLY established Church of Jesus Christ is and forever will be the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH (Matthew 16:18).
"Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the SABBATH DAY:" Mt. 24:20. The sabbath remains a going concern in Jesus' mind to the tribulation, and his return. And he tells us to pray for it! [ If you don't keep it, you can't! ]
Very great point ashley. way to go. HaleluYAH
Yes, ashley. That is my favourite citation for this topic. Being from the Midwest, I can tell you that the winter has not been done away with either.
Not if tribulation already happened?
Steve Smith
And his return as a conquering KING. This hasn't happened yet.
ashley froud Read Revelation John said he was in tribulation. It started at that time.
Look what say the last book in the bible,REVELATION 22:14
blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENDS,THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE AND MAY ENTER IN THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY
NOW why on earth will that be in Revelation,the last book???why will God say that THEY WHO DO HIS COMMANDMENDS WILL......
THERE IS NOT 9 COMMANDMENDS BUT 10..... IF YOU LEAVE ONE OUT,THE SABBATH,THEN THERE IS ONLY 9 TO FOLLOW.GOD GAVE US 10 COMMANDMENDS TO OBEY.OBEY THE SABBATH TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE AND TO ENTER THE GATES OF THE CITY.
THERE IS YOUR ANSWERE
it ok then to have spirit practice, drink blood, the man to have so many wives, eat pigs and shrimp, cause none of these of the 10 and you say only the 10.
Chris Roseburg loves commentarys of men.
Stories of men.
Philosophy of men.
If these men were Yahshua (Jesus), are the Apostles then his words would be true,
But empty words and deceit philosophy of men hundreds of years later are NOTHING BUT LIES OF SATAN father of lies
@@rodpersonathod7806 Rod. Spirit practice would be worshipping other gods. The others are not good for your health. So you should avoid them.
: ) God bless.
Well said, thank you sister.
In the bible 2 very important things God had ever made with his own hand, first he form man out of dust in his own likeness second he write the ten commandment with his own finger, tnx GOD for wisdom he has given to pastor Jim staley now i know that you one of the remnant of our Lord Jesus Christ, because every remnant keep the sabbath and the commandment of God is eternal.
God finished the Creation and rested during the Sabbath.., God asked Israel to remember Him on that day.
Jesus went to the synagogue on the Sabbath, He also stated in the Bible that the Sabbath was a day made for us.
I chose to keep this day holy, just like God asked, and Jesus did.
He said he made it for me and I'm Thankful that God took the time for doing it and delight myself in His day... Happy Sabbath!
Juan Live happy BLESSED Sabbath bro!
David Fleming in original Greek writing first day of the week is
One of sabbath
#1540 Mai (One)
#3588 Ton (of) (of the)
#4521sabbton (Sabbath)
7th day (7 days in week)
They used first instead of one. Mai One
They used (day of the) instead of(of the)(ton)
They used week instead of sabbath (sabbton)
Acts 20:7 &1 Corth 16:2
And Everytime you read first day of the week in original Greek it's
(One of Sabbath)
Mai ton sabbton
Mark 16:9 Mai ton sabbton
Matt 28:1Mai ton sabbton
Luke 24 Mai ton sabbton
John 20 Mai ton sabbton
One of sabbath
David Fleming The Catholic Church change God's laws times and dates,,prophecy from Dan 7:25 little horn will think to change God's laws times and dates
David Fleming like you said prove all things,
If man says that God's laws don't stand in Proverbs it says with the word of God you can prove man a liar .
Jesus said learn what the pharrisees teach from the seat of Moses
Matthew 23:1
But don't act like them,.
Only the Torah was read from the seat of Moses and the Gentiles will learn to Acts 15:21every
Sabbath Acts 13:27 voice of the prophets read every Sabbath,the in Acts 13:42 the Gentiles begged that they will hear these words the Acts 13:44 and next Sabbath the whole city came together to hear the word of God
David Fleming 2Peter3:14-17 Peter warned me about liars like you unlearn,and untaught that twist Paul's letters to there own destruction as they twist the scriptures ,you must be a Sunday money collecter, John 19:31 That day was a high Sabbath day, not Friday John 20:19 that evening being first day,
God counts from evening and the morning was the first day, John wrote the same way,
Only laws greedy pastors love is Malachi 3:10 Rob God in tithes,
Nobody in the new testament quote from Malachi 3 only money hungry people love Malachi 3, and tithing was food never money
And it was a few times a year not every Sunday
it was the Catholic church who changed the day of the Sabbath not God cause he says I change not.
James McCluksey do you sacrifice animals still?
Abel Mendez no. because the mosaic law was nailed to the cross. how can you nail stone to wood?
Rad the real context of Colossians 2. It wasn't either the law or the ceremonial law that was nailed to the cross. Rather, it was our record of debt. It was Jesus paying our penalty for sin.
Absolutely! It was for the ratification OF SINS THAT ARE PAST...
ROMANS 3:25- Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of SINS THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
BUT NOT FOR SINS THAT ARE OF THE PRESENT & FUTURE TENSE.
We must confess those, and they need to be forgiven.
He was the Lamb that taketh sin away from the world.
So the Lamb offering, sacrifice, & feast was nullified. ( LEVITICUS 23).
THE FESTIVALS, OR CEREMONIES WERE NAILED TO THE CROSS.
“And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom” (Matthew 27:50-51).
THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN. Hebrews 10:26- For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins..... Blessings Bro.
Big E Colossians 2 has been used inappropriately by Sabbatarians and non-Sabbatarians alike.
Non-Sabbatarians to say that the entire law was nailed to the cross. Since this isn't the context of this passage it is a poor use of scripture. There are plenty of other places in scripture that point out that we are no longer under the law or the old covenant that are in context.
Sabbatarians use this to say "it was only the ceremonial laws that were nailed to the cross". Since that isn't in context either, that argument based upon this passage is moot.
This passage an the nailing of anything needs to be kept in context.
Jesus said, "come unto me those who are heavily laden and I will give you REST"! Come to Jesus and he will give you Sabbath! I'm FREE in Christ, he fulfilled the Law of the OT and I rejoice of Jesus New Covenant, to love God with all my heart & strenght!
Is that hard for some to you understand?
We are to observe all things which Christ has requested. Amen. Without the law we has no sin. But we do have a law. So we are all need of repentance today. So we can have grace and mercy through Jesus Christ. Amen
Sandra Walters-Blak
Which day of the week do you keep Lord's Sabbath?
As I have grown my relationship with God over the years He will get on to me over certain comandments. He let me know that I needed to to church 16 years ago. Now I have always went to church on a Sunday. God has never put conficntion in my heart to change the dates of which I serve God on. Now one of these days he might put conficntion in my heart to change. When that day happen I will change. Over all, I do feel that it is important to go to church and to be part of the body of Chirst, no matter what day of the week it is on.
Kassi Foster,I hope you know Christians are under the new testament. Please quote to me just a single verse in the new testament that commanded Christians must keep the Sabbath. Going to church on Saturday is not a decisive factor for your salvation but only legalism. Thank you
something amazing Mr. Staley mentions at the end. i have completely given my life to Yah. i repented of sin, been immersed in the correct name, follow all the commandments i can, i quit doing man made up worship, read the scriptures, and believe in the Messiah's help with forgiveness. my life has flipped 360 degrees into a new creature. i am not the same. i can't believe the change. Yahuah did this to me. it was sudden. like a miracle! i received this precious gift of His Spirit and you can too. keep the 7th day Sabbath. it is in His love for us that He gave us this lovely rest day and i thank Him. peace.
Amen and HaleluYAH brother
Are you reckoning sabbaths using the sun AND MOON?
You know if you flip 360 degrees you just go in a circle and end up where you started that makes no sense
AMENNNNNNNNNNN
I thank you brother for such precious speech about Sabbath because once I was a sunday worshipper.Now I am a Sabbath worshipper because of that church members kick out us from church.God's Law cannot be changed because it is written by God himself.Those who say no there is judgement for them.It is made for everlasting.
Those who live by the law, will perish by the law. *The righteousness of faith APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW Romans 3:21* ruclips.net/video/mPQnWDldApY/видео.html
Jesus wants his people to keep the Sabbath in the dispensation of grace. He would otherwise not have told them "Pray so you don't have to flee on the sabbath" Mathew 24: 20 He was speaking of an event that would not happen until 70AD. In Hebrews 4: 9 the word "rest" in English is "sabatismos' in the Greek. It actually means Sabbath rest, Sabbath observance , Sabbath keeping. So verse 9 should read " there remains a Sabbath rest, keeping and observance.' Isaiah 66: 22,23 states "As I live, the day is coming when all flesh will worship before me from one Sabbath to another Sabbath" and he doesn't say from one Sunday to another Sunday. The Bible backs itself up on this subject. Even the Vatican acknowledges this. However no matter what men would like to say or do regarding this day the LORD will have his way.
One good reason to beleive the Sabbath is because today we are still under the law of God. And Sabbath is the 4th commandment in the Law Of God
I am very glad you are very close to became a true Christian and I really admire your enthusiasm for keeping more commandments than God requires from us; please don't think for a second that if the Sabbath would be for Christians, God would leave it written very clear in the New Testament like the other nine that you have mentioned; but you don't find one place in the New Testament where it is written that you have to keep days, years or months or new moons like it is very clear written in the Old Testament; on the contrary you find some verses like this one in Romans 14:6 that show very clearly that keeping days is not important but if someone wants to keep it, he can do it but it is wrong to go around and tell someone that in order to be saved we have to keep the Sabbath because it is not true.
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6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. ROMANS 14:6
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Another very important point and it is exactly what you need is these passage of MARK 10:17-21 where this man asked Jesus what should he do to inherit eternal life and please read the passage and you will see that Jesus completely and very intentionally hided the Sabbath from the man; you see, but the man was not satisfied, and Jesus saw that the man wanted more than God requires from us and Jesus said to the man: One thing thou lackest: go sell everything you have and give to the poor, and the man went away very sad because he was very rich; JESUS GAVE HIM SIX COMMANDMENTS AND ONLY ONE MORE WAS MISSING AND WAS NOT THE SABBATH.
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17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. MARK 10:17-22
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DO YOU THINK THAT WE HAVE TO SELL EVERYTHING WE HAVE AND GIVE TO THE POOR IN ORDER TO GET SALVATION??
JESUS COMMANDED THE MAN TO DO IT; THEREFORE, IT IS A COMMANDMENT RIGHT?
I don't see anyone preaching about this commandment and I don't see anybody doing it literally; they only preach about Sabbaths, Tithes and Offerings, Sharing the Bread and Wine, Baptisms etc; WHY? They are the most easy right? and the Sabbath is one of the easiest, we don't have to go to work ;)
This commandment of selling everything and give to the poor was a commandment given by the VERY MOUTH of Jesus; why nobody talks about it?????????????
You see, there are people that are not satisfied with what God requires from us and then they stumble in to the Rock and get crashed into pieces. Please don't be one of them.
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_If you want to enter eternal life keep the commandments; Which are they? MATTHEW 19:17-22.
_What do I need to do to get saved? LUKE, 10: 25-28; MATTHEW, 25: 34-40.
_The true religion; JAMES, 1:27.
_Not all that I say, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. MAT, 7:21.
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AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SABBATH IS NOT NECESSARY TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE BUT IF YOU LIKE TO REST ON THE LORD ONE DAY A WEEK, GO FOR IT BUT AFTER THE CROSS, GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT WE REST ONE DAY A WEEK, GOD REQUIRES THAT WE REST EVERY DAY OF OUR LIFE ON THE LORD JESUS BECAUSE JESUS IS OUR SABBATH, HE IS OUR REST.
Remember that Jesus said: Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. MATHEW 11:28;
Why he wants to give us rest? because He is the Lord of the Sabbath (day of rest);
The sabbaths as a day of rest pointed to a time of rest that the people of God would have in the future; DEUT, 12: 9; HBREUS, 4: 1-13. This is the time of rest that God had promised back then in DEUT 12;9 and now is also fulfilled HEBREWS, 4: 1-13. So God is offering us a time of rest but rest from what? From the works of the Law !!!!!!
AREN'T YOU SURPRISED THAT JESUS ON MARK 10:17-22 DID NOT MENTION THE SABBATH? DO YOU THINK HE HAD FORGOTTEN TO MENTION IT?
Those who keep the Sabbath have not yet entered the rest; (Jews and others); Psalms 95: 10,11; HEBREWS, 3: 9-11; ROMANS, 10: 2-4.
Let us therefore try to enter into rest so as not to enter into that example of disobedience; HEBREWS, 4: 10,11.
YOU SEE, THIS VERSE ABOVE EVEN SAY THAT IF WE DON'T ENTER INTO GODS REST, WE ARE DISOBEYING GOD; RIGHT??
If we continue to keep the Sabbath, it shows that we have not yet entered into rest (of the works of the law, which keeping the Sabbath is one of them) so if we keep the Sabbath we are disobeying God according to Hebrews 4: 10,11.
DON'T EVEN THINK FOR A SECOND THAT BECAUSE YOU KEEP MORE COMMANDMENTS THAN THOSE THAT GOD REQUIRES FROM US, THAT GOD IS MORE PLEASED WITH YOU; NO, ON THE CONTRARY; GOD DEMANDS OBEDIENCE BUT OBEDIENCE TO WHAT HE WANTS NOT TO WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS RIGHT.
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS A FOUR DIMMENTIONAL BOOK
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. EPHESIANS 3:14-21.
yes
@@DominicYoutub except *all* of Yeshua's disciples *did* give up everything to follow him.
Why would you think Yeshua was being obtuse? He offered the man the exact same offer he gave to his other 12, but this one wasn't interested.
Theologians have always been the enemies of God. Yeshua taught things so simple that small children could understand what he meant, but adults (especially religious elites) are too smart for their own good, and invent complex theologies that twist, turn, and explain away everything Yeshua said to do. He said to give up everything to follow him, just as God said to Abraham, and Elijah said to Elijah, and Yeshua said to the 12. It's not complicated, just hard.
He also said if we don't forgive each other, he won't forgive us. They say we don't have to do that, either. They don't believe anything Yeshua said. Don't be like them. Those who hear his teachings and *don't put them into practice* he called fools headed for disaster.
Book of Moses are ceremonial laws that were nailed to cross. Such as circumcision and sacrificing lambs. Moral Law written by God himself will not pass away until heaven and Earth. You can't separate the Sabbath from the ten commandments. It starts with "remember" as if he knew we would forget. They even stopped wrapping Jesus body to observe the Sabbath. Daniel 7:25 warns us of a power that would think to change God's time and laws....aka the Sabbath.
Colossians 2:16, Matthew 16:19, Act 15 Jerusalem council
that's not true bro ..
book of moses includes all the 1st 5 books..
and actuslly it as well includes not to do bestiality and not to marry your sister or mother which isn't in the New testament
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You can't find a definition of sexual immorality outside the old testament.
Good luck trying to convince a smart and horny teenager that premarital sex is wrong when you've told them, "the old testament is outdated."
Only adultery and incest are mentioned in the NT, not other forms of sexual immorality, so if you say it's not important if it's not mentioned in the NT, they'll pick up on that quick even if you didn't. "Prove that premarital sex is wrong just by using the NT," I was told. I was shocked that I couldn't, yet still knew it was wrong, but only the OT has the verses we need to prove that.
The truth is God has not changed, his law is the same yesterday and today and until heaven and Earth pass away. No prophet said anything different, nor did Yeshua, nor did his 12 apostles. They all agreed the law stood.
Paul is argued to have taught against the law, yet he swore he didn't, it's in Acts 21, you should read it. It's a crucial passage no preacher wants to touch, because it blows holes in 99% of church's theology.
Further, in Acts 15 the apostles said new gentile believers should "abstain from sexual immorality (follow Torah) abstain from strangled animals (Torah) abstain from blood (Torah) abstain from things sacrificed to idols (Torah) and go to the synagoge each Sabbath (to learn more Torah). They were not teaching the law was dead.
Even if Paul DID teach against the law, which he swore that he didn't (Acts 21), the apostles didn't, because they were outraged at this rumour that Paul was teaching against the law, and by what right does he abolish it even if he did try? Yeshua never taught against the law. He taught people to follow it. Yeshua specifically warned that some would do great signs and miracles done in his name, but would be cast into hell "for practicing lawlessness." It's not okay to ignore the law!
Who gave Moses the instructions? I don’t think it was himself.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath
Reign u absolutely right amen
Reign what scripture is that?!?
"For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."
Matthew 12:8, KJV...."Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
Mark 2:28, KJV...."And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
Luke 6:5, KJV...
Yes He is ,but you do not seem to know Him. Your faith is in keeping His law. Did David a man after Gods own heart, have faith?
Mr Timeinabottle David followed the law yes, except in the case of the Hittite Uriah
Indeed if you broke 1 of the laws..you have broken them all. Ty Paster Jim.
Sabbath tells us who the Creator is.
When Friday comes around something in our Spirit feels different. Our bodie feel certain energy , vigor, strength, pep or maybe a sigh of relief (TGIF). That's because were created in the image of G-d and therefore we feel Fridays (Shabbat ) are Beautiful, Different and Good...I don't have that feeling on Sunday...May it be a duty. ..a delight to keep the Shabbat . ..but never a burden. Amen
yolanda blancas you feel that becouse of circumstances.but others do not.
When I'm on the Sabbath day, something happens, IT IS AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE TO REST ON SABBATH, sleeping the first part of it (friday night), and studying the Bible on the second part of it. It 's wonderful to rest on Sabbath, everybody should try it.
It's the weekend everyone feels that way if they have a day off. It could be Wednesday and the rush can kick in for someone resting on Thursday.
yolanda blancas,
"Man made" Protestant false teachers are FULL OF CONTRADICTION.
For example???
1. Protestant false teachers preach an "invisible" and "Spiritual" Church, while they hypocritically reach deep down into gullible people's pockets for money in a very "visible" place. Why do Protestants preach an "invisible" or "Spiritual" Church??? To hide the fact and truth they have absolutely no history back to Jesus Christ or beyond a 1500'S "man" Martin Luther.
2. Protestants teach a self contradictory false teaching "Bible Alone", which ironically is found absolutely no where in the Bible.
3. Protestants say "Everything has to be in the Bible to be believed". Where is that statement even in Sacred Scriptures??? Instead, what do Sacred Scriptures say??? John 21:25, 2 Thessalonians 2:15 or especially Acts 1:3. Which ONE CHURCH has these "40 days" of Jesus Christ's teachings that are not in the Bible per the Bible???
4. Protestants say "ORAL TRADITION" is to be rejected. Why??? Because, not one "man made" Protestant denomination has history back to Jesus Christ, so they have to reject it - despite what 2 Thessalonians 2:15 clearly says.
5. Protestants say the "pillar and bulwark of TRUTH" is the Bible. 1 Timothy 3:15 clearly says "the Church" singular meaning the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH is the "pillar and bulwark of TRUTH", who ultimately put the Bible together in the first place.
6. Protestants say "the Bible" is the final authority. As a result, it has led to 35,000 and growing "divisions" - as they each become their own "Pope" deciding what is correct or not. Conversely, we see Jesus Christ giving His final "authority" to resolve faith and moral disputes to His ONE and ONLY established Church being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH per Matthew 18:17.
7. Protestants preach "Faith Alone". The Bible clearly rebukes this specific false teaching by stating in James 2:24 "NOT BY FAITH ALONE". In John 13:34, Jesus Christ commands us in the NEW COVENANT to "love", which clearly is an action or work that is needed (John 5:29, 15:12, 17, Romans 2:6, Philippians 2:12, Colossians 1:10, Acts 26:20, etc.) for salvation.
8. Protestants say the Holy Eucharist is just "symbolism" - another word not found in the Bible just like "Bible Alone". But, Jesus Christ Himself (WHO CANNOT LIE) repeats over and over in the Bible "THIS IS MY BODY....THIS IS MY BLOOD" (Matthew 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19, John 6:51, 54-58) and is needed for salvation (John 6:54-55) or for "Death to Passover" in the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19). Jesus Christ, the "Lamb of God" (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1:19), is the true fulfilled "forever" GOD liturgically commanded "Bread of the PRESENCE" (Leviticus 24:5-9).
9. Protestants say Matthew 23:9 "call no man father" is an indictment against the Catholic Church priests being called "Father", while they hypocritically call their own biological father's "father".
In that Matthew 23:9 statement of Jesus Christ's, Protestants don't understand Jesus was using a hyperbole teaching emphasizing not to get caught up in honors or titles that can detract from proper worship due to our Heavenly "Father". Proof??? Judges 17:10, 18:19. What did GOD allow His old covenant priesthood to be called??? Philem 10 and especially 1 Corinthians 4:15. What did Catholic St. Paul consider himself in the New Covenant???
10. Protestants say "no man" can forgive sins. However, in the old covenant GOD clearly used ordained "men", the Leviticus Priesthood, to forgive sins (Leviticus 5:5-6, Numbers 5:5-9). In Matthew 16:19, 18:18, and specifically explained in John 20:21-23 what same "power" did Jesus Christ give to His ONE and ONLY established Church being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH or to the NEW COVENANT ordained "men" of GOD???
11. Protestants claim the Catholic Church is "man made" or "pagan". But, what does clear history and the Bible (Matthew 16:19) say???
www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
The irony and contradiction here is each and every single Protestant denomination (35,000 and growing divisions) is truly "man made" all stemming from a 1500's "man" Martin Luther. For instance, Protestant history can easily be revealed like the Seventh Day Adventist was formed by a "man" in Battle Creek, MI in 1863AD.
So yes, there are many contradictions in the rebellious "man made" Protestant Golden Calf faiths.
This is so true
This debate is a wonderful one. I really appreciate both parties. But at the end of the day, I believed we should all keep the Sabbath as God originally intended. The Sabbath was there before the law was given to Moses. Thank you all and God bless you.
Amen brother.
Amen
Agree: we need more debating!
I with to debate for the next level of study: Which day is the Lord's Sabbath: Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? Which day of the week do you keep Lord's Sabbath?
Dear cool man,
"The Sabbath was there before the law was given to Moses." Not sure what this statement means. The cessation of God's creative work ceased on the seventh day of the creation week, so that aspect of this issue existed from the Seventh day of creation week onward. I think people before the time of Moses knew of this fact. As I understand it, no one before Moses knew anything about observing the Sabbath as a rule to keep, and nor are there any examples of anyone before Moses keeping the Sabbath as described in the Mosaic Law. The first time we hear of man observing the "Sabbath" is during the time of Moses, when God revealed He wanted the Israelites to Observe the Sabbath.
Conclusion
The sound, rational conclusion, based on Scripture and reason, is that mankind was did not have any requirement to keep the Sabbath until the time of Moses, and the Sabbath observance was not revealed and described until the Mosaic law.
Implications
The Sabbath was not a requirement for the pre-mosaic people (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc.) Obviously God knew of the Sabbath, and I think the pre-mosaic people many have known that God ceased His creative work of creation of the seventh day, but there appears to be no objective evidence, from Scripture, supporting the idea that God retired them to Observe the Sabbath as described in Mosaic Law. It appears that God did not intend for the pre-mosaic people to keep the Sabbath. They apparently were excluded from this requirement.
I personally believe the Christians under the new covenant, are also excluded from the obligation of following the Mosaic Law. This was the central question for the Jerusalem Counsel described in Acts 15.
Christians are obligated to follow Moral Law, as were the pre-mosaic people were obligated to follow Moral Law. Neither the pre-mosaic people of the new covenant Christians are obligated to Mosaic Law. If the Sabbath was to be considered Moral Law, there would be sufficient evidence that the pre-mosaic people were instructed to follow it and there would be some examples of pre-mosaic people observed the Sabbath. I see no objective evidence supporting the Sabbath is moral in nature or essence, and therefore do not see it as Moral Law. It appears to be an example of a ceremonial law given to the Israelites under Moses as a sign of their covenant to God.
I believe the Moral Law is written on our hearts (we intrinsically know it). Consider if I were shipwrecked on a deserted island, lost consciousness for an indeterminable number of days. When I regained consciousness, I would still be aware of all the Moral Law (wrong to worship other gods, steal, murder, etc.) but I would not intrinsically know which day the seventh day was, and it seems probable that this would keep me from observing the Sabbath. You might have a 1 out of 7 chance, or a miracle, but your heart would not intrinsically know which day it was. This suggests that the Sabbath was indeed ceremonial in essence. Of course I consider this just one line of evidence along with many others.
DZ
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The second man said we are not under the law! That alone is stupid. Gods law or man's law, you choose! Or should I say the Vaticans law," mark".
I have always been confused about which ones we need to obey and why...but the big Ten seem to be pretty clear still. There are other commandments throughout the Bible as well...like taking communion. Do this in remembrance of me. That is not one of the big 10, but we do it.
Revelation 11::19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of the covenant was seen within the temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.
The ten commandments is the foundation of god's kingdom. It is eternal and cannot be change.
The Bible does not say that Sunday is the "Lord's day". It does say that the Sabbath is though.
no it doesnt, the Lord's day is in fact the first day...this is recognized in almost ALL the early church fathers writings..Justin, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Barnabas...etc..
Lord's day means first day not Saturday.
mattjestic1 When you take the writings of the early church fathers and place them above the Bible you fulfill the words of Jesus when He says "In vain do they worship me teaching for doctrine the commandments of men".
If you study the writings of the early church fathers you will discover that they were heavily influenced by paganism and Greek mythology.........so of course they held the venerable day of the sun in high esteem.
Paul warns us that grievous wolves were already entering the church in the first century.
The only safe course is to allow the Bible to have the final say on all doctrinal matters.
John in Revelation confirms that the Lord still has a day. Mark 2 confirms that this day is none other than the 7th day Sabbath. The Word of God has spoken. Let every man be a liar.
AMEN!!
The Lord's day is the coming return of the Messiah for His 1000 year reign, the symbolic 7th day of creation, after the first 6000 years have past. Being "in the Spirit" means being in the spiritual realm, John was prophesying.. He was there to see the great and dreadfu day of the Lord... Read the context, he mentions how he heard a trumpet just like when Paul tells us the trumpet will sound and the dead in Christ will rise first, because that's when He returns! God bless.
Team Jesus As an honest Bible student I allowed your comment a seat at the table to be studied openly and honestly. When viewing the context of the verse it appears to me that the word "day" still falls heavily on the side of being the Sabbath. Why do I not think that it represents the millennium? Context. Please note that Jesus is "walking among the 7 golden candle sticks" and wearing priestly attire. He is in the first compartment of the heavenly sanctuary. When did Jesus enter the first compartment? Hebrews dedicates entire chapters to this question and reveals that it was right after His ascension to heaven. Please note that the purpose of this vision was to send a message to the "7 churches". Those literal churches have already come and gone. (The spiritual application extends up to the 2nd coming but not beyond)
Also please note that Jesus is presently no longer in the first compartment of the sanctuary. The 2300 year prophecy of Daniel reveals that Jesus is already in the second compartment called the "Holy of Holies". Why? Because this compartment represents the "day of atonement" which must take place PRIOR to Jesus second coming. Why? Because His "reward" is with Him. You can't have a reward if the judgement is still taking place.
Jesus puts down His priestly garments and exits the sanctuary PRIOR to His second coming therefore He cannot be walking among the golden candle sticks during the millennium.
Do not think I have come to abolish the torah- Yahushua......not hard to understand!
So true
stefanierose88
Right on. Matt 5:18 says we must keep the law!
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@@MosinMan76254 do you keep the law?
Want to keep sabath keep it full don’t be hypocrites read exodus 31:12-18
It has become very simple for me. Those who LOVE GOD (JESUS) will keep the Sabbath day Holy and do no Work. As It is said " My people will keep my Commandments" So those who observe the Sabbath as a day of rest ( as GOD said it is) is showing their reverence to OUR CREATOR.
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Thanks Jim and glory to God for telling it like it is.
Pastor Doug told it like it is
Knowledge is what we need. Follow God's Word.
The Bible states that the Sabbath will be celebrated in the New Heavens & Earth. So if that is the case, then the seventh day Sabbath is still to be practised *now. And this will be the case for all eternity. So debate it all you like all of you who are spiritually blind, it is of no relevance. Satan does all he can to turn Christians against God's Sabbath, and follow a substitute false sabbath engineered by the Catholic Church. I prefer to follow God's commandments rather than the Deceiver's.
Will Robinson the pastors don't want to show them the Sabbath day because of money,
Then they can't read 1Corth 16:2 to gather on Sunday,. When that verse says nothing about tithing are worship service, because no body in gospel are letters quote from Malachi 3:8-10, curse with a curse if you don't pay tithes. But forget that Galatians 3 tells us that Jesus became the curse for us.
Tithing law is tied to the first covenant, that is the only law pastors love is the tithing law but all other laws are nailed to cross,. Greedy pastors change the tithes from grain,oil, fruit, and livestock to money,few times a year to every week and offerings to money on Wednesday service
It's not about a day as much as it is about showing love daily cause u can be like the rich young man and claim to keep the Sabbath day but fail t o show love to your neibour and those u meet along the way u cannot see the kingdom of God .
The Bible also states that the sacrifice of the Gentile will be accepted, it says that the Levitical system will be reinstituted and the expiatory sacrifices will happen again etc. The Bible says the nations will come up to the Feast of Tabernacles or else there will be no rain etc. Why are you only discussing the Sabbath? Now read the book of Hebrews and you can reconcile it.
Will Robinson you are using that verse wrong
If you want to keep the Sabbath, of which calendar would you Sabbath keepers want it? Would you keep Sabbath from the Gregorian calendar which are from the pagans/Gentiles or the Jewish Calendar which institute thr original Sabbath?
If anyone says the sabbath is irrelevant in the new testament, then please explain :
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. KJV
Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war againts the rest of her offspring - those who keep the the commandments of God and hold fast their tesmony about Jesus... NIV
It’s referring to the Law of Christ. The New Covenant Law
The winner of this debate is Jesus Christ! The Sabbath is real. It say Remember the Sabbath. I wonder why that is? Looks like many have forgotten it. Thank you Lord God! Say no to the Sunday rest that will be pushed upon us all soon.
Yup Sunday law coming soon!
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I'm in my 9th decade. The town in which I resided in the late 30's and early 40's had a Sunday law of sorts. Everything was closed on Sundays. If you accidentally wrote a Sunday date on a check, the banks refused to cash it.
Yes, Sunday law IS coming here SOON. I think that those of us who have eyes to see and ears to hear realize that, especially with the government we have at this time, which I believe God placed in power, for such a time as this.
You might be interested in SDRHerald.org where you can read Nicholas's 4 page writings. No, I am not SDA but I do appreciate how Nicholas brings out the BIG changes that have been made in that "denomination".
He always brings out something new regarding the upcoming Sunday laws.
I his July 2017 (and older) issue, he brings forth Sabbath History ~ how most all denominations in almost all countries, had previously regarded the true Sabbath.
He also has a Bible prophecy in the news section.
SHALOM and MARANATHA!
I agree, as soon as they both are wrong! They don't know what day they keep and cannot prove?
if they would now God's calendar for Israel, they wouldn't say what they said! Amen!
@@37Iulian the seventh day was never lost as you claim. Niether the Jewish nor the Roman calanders ever break sequence. The days go 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, without change.
What you are thinking of is the Jewish method of determining when a new month starts, which varies based on the moon's position.
When a new moon is declared, THE DAY IS NOT CHANGED, only the month. If it was Tuesday the day before a new moon is declared, Wednesday comes next, as always, and so on.
Please stop spreading this myth that the Jewish calander changes which day is the Sabbath. It doesn't. The Sabbath is always every seven days for them, without variation, the same as for us.
Good job Chris!!! The only thing that could have been added was how it is that we are not under any law except the Law of Liberty, yet through the Holy Spirit the Law is established in us. And yes, praise be to the Lamb! We have ceased from our works and REST in the finished work of Christ! He is our Sabbath! Our rest from our works of trying in vain to keep the Law, which NO MAN (except for Jesus) was able to keep! EVER. OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS AS FILTHY RAGS! Only His Righteousness will do. For if you break even one of the laws you are guilty of breaking them all!!! Good luck to all you living by law! I pray for you. It is in vain for it is God Himself who does this beautiful work in us, He teaches us ALL things, we need no man to teach us! He turns our ashes to beauty!
Makes us a vessel worthy of the Masters use, praise God! For he who the Son sets free is free indeed! Hallelujah.
Not a license to sin, on the contrary, a license to rest in what Christ has done for us. For narrow is the gate that leads to life, and there be few that find it. We cannot fully keep the Law, for even if you have managed to quit lying, or fornicating, or whatever the sin is that you are trying not to do, the SEED of the sin still remains in you. Christ removes the SEED and replaced it with a good SEED, He cleanses our conscience, and gives us new desires of our hearts, a desire for Righteounes, His Righteousness! We love, crave, hunger and thirst for His Righteousness! Praise be to God! Who takes away the sins of the world! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Hello Kdur. You say only his righteousness will do. You are correct. You ask for GOD to make us a vessel worthy of the Masters use. A good point. It is not a license to sin. So we agree. Agreed Christ removes the sin and replaces it with his desire.
I agree with all but a very little of what you wrote. The problem is you actually contradict yourself.
The law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments. So you mostly agree with us.
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
2Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
1John 2:3,4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1John 5:2,3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
2John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
James 1:21 -27 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Jamess 2:11-12 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
The Sabbath is a day set aside to spend in good works and with Jesus in worship and prayer. Do we not need these things?
Jesus saves to make us the vessel you speak of. So thank you for agreeing with me. Love GOD love others follow Jesus.
happy sabbath!
Yes, Shabbat Shaloam~
Yes keep the Sabbath, the true Sabbath is Saturday.
shabbat shalom
Dominique Blagojevic maybe Jim should have been more. concerned. about thou shalt not steal. maybe he would not be locked up in jail.
happy Sabbath, God changes not...
Over the last month THE HOLY SPIRIT has been urging me to follow the Sabbath, and I started reading the Bible and resting all day on the Sabbath. Now HE is bringing before me references and why I should be.
And yet the man against keeping the Sabbath mostly tells stories and not the word of GOD.
I'm going to continue to improve on keeping the Sabbath day, because I know our SAVIOR is coming soon, and I want to be as close to HIM as possible.
I fully agree that not only the OT but the NT is full of Sabbath (weekly and High Sabbaths) being observed even after Jesus' death even so much as that in his kingdom to come the feast i.e. High Sabbaths will be observed.
pauline Dsouza, Please tell me the Sabbath, whether it is a ceremonial or a moral law? Thank you.
paulina Dsouza, Please quote to me just a single verse in the new testament that commanded Christians must keep the Sabbath. Going to church on Saturday is not a decisive factor for your salvation but only legalism. Thank you
The Sabbath is extremely important. Praise God for the Sabbath.
Tadia Foster, Please tell me the Sabbath, whether it is a ceremonial or a moral law? Thank you.
The true rest, is the baptism of the Holy Ghost, thats the rest Jesus Gave the Aposltes on the day of Pentecost. Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Jesus said: Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.:-Matthew 11:28. Jesus did say he would give them rest, but he did not give them it on that day. If he did, then he would not have afterward spoken of another day… and, after his resurrection, he said: Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father [the Holy Spirit] upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Now here is that other day - Acts 2:1-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues [other languages], as the Spirit gave them utterance [as the Holy Spirit gave them to utter]. This was the day!... the day that the apostles entered into his rest, and… they became a part of his body… Now if this wasn’t true, then there would not have been a precept for it. - Isaiah 28:10-12 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue [other languages] will he [Jesus, the Holy Ghost] speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. They would not hear… some will not hear, even though every word is upon the word… Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Even though they know it’s the truth… 'For if Jesus had given them rest, then he would not have afterward spoken of another day'… 'Again, he limiteth a certain day'… 'And when the day of Pentecost was fully come'… 'this is the refreshing'… Isaiah 28:12 …This is the rest… 'yet they would not hear'.
Jim Staley's closing argument was AAAAAAAAAmazing. I love this debate, it is an issue I have been spiritually battling with for 2 years now and it really did answer a lot of questions and re-affirm what I know I need to start doing. He is absolutely right about the blessings that come with following the commandments. I was in the Church going through the motions and never felt God moving in my life til I left the church and focused on God alone. I started reading my bible and preaching and keeping his commandments. The only one I haven't is the Sabbath and that is because society has made it almost impossible to keep, but it is time to turn my back on the world instead of my creator. I know the blessings will only increase and my relationship with God will get more devout. I feel sorry for and pray for Anybody who believes they can call themselves a Christian and live how ever they please because they have never felt the true power of God working in their life.
Vegas Traci Act 20:7 and 1Corth 16:2 in the original Greek is One of Sabbath.
#1520 Mai -One
#3588 ton- of (of the)
#4521 sabbaton - Sabbath seventh day,
The Catholic Church put
First instead of (One)
day of instead of (of)
week instead of (sabbath) seven days makes a week... In strongs dictionary look up the numbers for words and share to show how people add to God's word,, God bless you
I hope you are still keeping God's Sabbath. God bless you and your family!
Did you stop believing in who Christ is and the finished work that Jesus did on the cross to save our souls ? That's what a man is doing when he begins to pervert the gospel of Christ.
O Foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you , Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh. ( Galatians 3:1-3 )
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead ( Died for nothing ) in vain. ( Galatians 2:21 )
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:6-9
which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
We could not, can not and will never be able to be made perfect by the works of the flesh. The Apostle Paul makes this very clear over and over again in his epistles. Read them again and again until God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit reveals truth to your heart, mind and spirit.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:6 ( AMAZING GRACE )
Works based faith is dangerous, it's really not having faith in what Christ did at all. It's about having faith in one's self. Performance based. That's religion.
The only one who could and did the perfect performance ( never sinned ) was Christ.
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Philippians 3:3
When one is truly born again and God's miracle working power begins; He ( God ) never stops working in that person's life.
being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Philippians 1:6
PEACE BE WITH YOU !
@@paulgemme6056 faith without works is dead. boom.
@@shadow_ow2 AMAZING GRACE HOW SWEET THE SOUND THAT SAVED A WRETCH LIKE ME.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Thank YOU Jim Staley! Many are CALLED but FEW shall enter those who will enter Keep our Abba's Commandments! FOREVER means FOREVER.
Elaine Hamarsheh do you keep them yourself?if you fail in one you break all.and if you break then you are cursed.
Why cant you find the word forever in Strongs concordence? Its aeon, and it dont mean never ending.
Everyone, who respects His law has God appreciation, but not all of them are justified, considered righteous and is saved! Amen! Salvation by legalism/works of God's law is still alive and many keep the wrong day for Lord's Sabbath! How many do know God's calendar in time of Moses, Christ, and after, till Jews betrayed God by changing the practice of obeying His calendar (began from Halel II)?
What day of the week do you keep as Lord's Sabbath?
E Please tell me the Sabbath, whether it is a ceremonial or a moral law? Thank you.
@@93556108 It is the 4th Commandment, it is mandatory.
The sabbath is not the seal of God. The Holy Spirit is.
A very intresting debate , I really think Jim has proved that the shabbat has to be observed and he proved it by Bible text not by qoutes from the church fathers.
Thanks for shearing this ..bless you
Aron Gatt, Please tell me the Sabbath, whether it is a ceremonial or a moral law? Thank you.
@@93556108 if it’s in the Ten Commandments, then it’s not ceremonial law but something that has to be observed.
@@arongatt if you affirmed the Sabbath is a moral law since you say it is not ceremonial. Please give me your explanation why the moral law of the Sabbath was broken?; #1. The Sabbath is not a moral law because the priests were allowed to profane it: Matt 12:5; Num 28:9-10; Josh 6:15; 1 Ki 20:29; Jn 5:10; #2.The Sabbath is not a moral law because a man could break it without sin to save an animal from a pit.; #3. the Sabbath is not a moral law because Jesus broke the Sabbath without sin in John 5:18.; #4. The Sabbath is not a moral law because God never intended for all mankind to keep it: God NEVER charged the Gentiles with breaking it, much less even keeping it. Only the Jews were expected to keep it. Interesting that God charges the Gentiles many times for breaking all the 9 moral commandments on the tablets of stone, but NEVER ONCE says anything about breaking the Sabbath!#5. If the Sabbath is moral, then why did God grow weary of them keeping it? God never said he was weary of them NOT stealing or NOT committing adultery. But God did say he was could not endure their keeping the Sabbath: Isa 1:13-14 "Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me." Such is never said of any moral command anywhere in the Bible! Think about it! Please comment. Thank you.
No where does it say anything about a moral or ceremonial law. In James 2:10, James tells us that whoever keeps the law, but stumbles in one point, breaks the whole law.
We are to live by every word from God’s mouth (Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deuteronomy 8: 1-3)
1. The Sabbath was not broken by the priest, nor was Jesus defending David for breaking Torah. He didn’t justify David for breaking the law. He was exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. They hold David to such high regard even though he broke God’s law. However, with Jesus and his disciples, they did nothing wrong, yet the Pharisees were trying to condemn them for not following their interpretation and man made rules. (They believed that since God told Moses that the Israelites in the wilderness couldn’t go get manna or leave their tent, that this applied to them as well). He also didn’t say that the priest broke the law, but rather that they profaned the Pharisees’ law of Sabbath keeping. The divinely authorized Sabbath activity of the priests proved that the accusation of the Pharisees brought against Jesus’ disciples was false. The term “profane” in verse 5 is an example of the figure of speech known as metonymy of the adjunct in which “things are spoken of according to appearance, opinions formed respecting them, or the claims made for them” (Dungan, 1888, p. 295, emp. added). By this figure, Leah was said to be the “mother” of Joseph (Genesis 37:10), Joseph was said to be the “father” of Jesus (Luke 2:48; John 6:42), God’s preached message was said to be “foolishness” (1 Corinthians 1:21), and angels were said to be “men” (e.g., Genesis 18:16; 19:10). Priestly activity on the Sabbath gave the appearance of violation when, in fact, it was not.
2. Saving an animal from a pit is not breaking the Sabbath. It *IS* lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:12, Mark 3:4). That was literally the whole point of his statement. The Pharisees added all of these extra non-biblical rules that they tried to force upon everyone, however Jesus was letting everyone know that their interpretation and rules meant nothing. The Sabbath law does not imply that everyone is to sit down and do nothing. The Law gave the right, even the obligation, to engage in several activities that does not constitute violation of the Sabbath regulation. Joshua and his army did not break the Sabbath by marching. God commanded them to do so (Joshua 6: 2-5). We are told to do all of *OUR* work in 6 days and rest in the Sabbath. No where does the Torah forbid anyone doing God’s work in any day. They were not doing their own work. You suggesting that they broke the Sabbath, makes you no different than the Pharisees
3. In John 5:18 Jesus did not break the Sabbath. Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). If Jesus broke the Sabbath, that would make him a sinner, a hypocrite, a liar, a false prophet, and he would not be the Messiah. Jesus was without sin (Luke 23:41, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, Hebrews 7:26, 1 Peter 1:19, 1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5,). He was perfect. If he broke the Sabbath, you have no hope, because he would not be our spotless lamb. If he broke the Sabbath, everything you believe, is in vain. It’s quite blasphemous to state that Jesus was a sinner. In 1 John 5:18, John is saying that Jesus broke the rules of the Pharisees. He broke the Sabbath traditions, not the commandment itself. If he broke the Sabbath here, then he broke it when he healed Simon Peter’s mother-in-law (Mark 1:29-31), the man with a withered hand (Mark 3:1-6), the man born blind (John 9:1-16), a crippled woman (Luke 13:10-17), a man with dropsy at a Pharisee’s house (Luke 14:1-6), and a demon-possessed man in Capernaum (Mark 1:21-28). However, we know this is not the case . The Pharisees were trying to tell the Lord of the Sabbath himself, that he broke the Sabbath.
4. The Jews are from the tribe of Judah. That’s only one tribe out of twelve. At Mount Sinai God gave his commandments to all 12 tribes. There was also a mixed multitude that left Egypt with Israel (Exodus 12:38). mixed multitude crossed the Reed sea and were with Israel when God spoke the Ten Commandments from Mount Sinai. This means that the Sabbath was also given to Gentiles. In fact, in the Ten Commandments itself, it says that the stranger is to rest on Sabbath as well (Exodus 20: 8-10). It repeats it in Deuteronomy 5: 12-15). Even the animals are to rest. There is one law for Israel and the stranger and sojourner who cleaves to them (Exodus 12:49, Exodus 20:10, Leviticus 24:22, Numbers 9:14, Numbers 15: 15-16, Numbers 15:29). In Isaiah 56: 3-7 God specifically speaks to Gentiles who have joined themselves to him. He says they *should* keep his Sabbaths and hold onto the covenant, which was given to Israel by the way (Jeremiah 31: 31-34, Romans 9: 3-5, Hebrews 8: 8-12)
5. This point is self explanatory. In Isaiah 1, God grew weary of the Sabbaths and the feast and the offerings because they were still being disobedient. It literally says this all throughout the chapter. They were going through the motions, but still rebelling. Their heart was not right. It’s similar to Jesus and the beatitudes. He wasn’t speaking against murder and adultery when he said “but I say unto you”. He was telling them that they were still not doing it right. They were keeping the letter, but not the spirit. Obedience is better than sacrifice (1 Samuel 15: 22-23, Proverbs 21:3)
GOOD JOB JIM
I have to disagree with Jim on a lot of his statements, there is definitely different exegesis and hermetical interpretations on verses he points to. Chris could have laid things out better but got some main points out there. I really love these two brothers though, makes my heart jump to see such passion for God by both! Thank God my salvation isn't dependent on me keeping the sabbath, but my only hope is the blood of my Lord and savior Jesus!
That guy Chris, he kept saying, "the church fathers this, the church fathers that." My question is, why are you holding to some people's opinions higher than God's own Word? If God's Word says to keep the Sabbath, and His Word is Law... why does the opinion of mere humans matter at all?
Overall, Chris displayed a whole host of misunderstandings of scripture. He's right, we should listen to people, not with an open mind but an open bible - The problem is, Chris himself wasn't following his own advice.
And he kept mentioning 8th day. There is no eighth day of the week.
Lovemore Nanjaya The 8th day is synonymous with the first day. Ever read Leviticus 23? The 8th day is extremely important. And has extreme typological importance to Christ and the atonement.
We are to keep the Sabbath END OF STORY.
***** read the original greek translations of the day YAHUSHUA ha MASHIACH resurrected. It was on a Sabbath not sunday.
***** ummm again read the original translations. YAHUSHUA ha MASHIACH resurrected on a Sabbath not sunday.
***** The Shabbat is a perpetual Commandment were gonna keep it forever. And again MESSIAH resurrected on a Sabbath not sunday.
+William Tyndale What makes the first day the Lord's Day?
***** A Christian is someone who follows Christ.
IF SABBATH WAS DONE AWAY WHY DID PAUL MAINTAIN HIS SABBATH KEEPING CUSTOM THESE WAS MANY YEARS AFTER THE CRUCIFIXION OF YESHUA THE CHRIST ? ACTS 17:2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Paul was not worshiping Jesus Christ in a synagogue that's for sure. The early Christians met in homes.
Why did God start the church on a Sunday, Pentecost?
John Michael Casten
Paul said he was a Hebrew of Hebrews - Phil 3:5.
Paul said he was trained in the exactness of the Law - Acts 22:3
Paul said in Christ (as to relationship with Him) there is neither Jew nor Gentile - "Gal 3:27 For as many as were baptized into Christ, you put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There cannot be Jew nor Greek, there is no slave nor freeman, there is no male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are of Christ, then you are a seed of Abraham, even heirs according to promise."
Paul says that he became all things to all men - "1Co 9:20 And I became as a Jew to the Jews, that I might gain Jews; to those under Law as under Law, that I might gain those under Law;
1Co 9:21 to those without Law as without Law (not being without Law of God, but under the law of Christ), that I might gain those without Law.
1Co 9:22 I became to the weak as weak, that I might gain the weak. To all I have become all things, that in any and every way I might save some.
1Co 9:23 And I do this for the gospel, that I might become a fellow partaker of it." LITV
John Michael Casten
@@fayelewis5476 Really on sunday?... He started HIS "church" in other day... and that day was a FEAST of GOD... but Not sunday... sunday was a pagan day and it is a pagan day...
@@conociendoelislam85 Why did God start the church on a Sunday?
All the days of the week are named after pagan gods, including SATURNday.
Well done Jim Staley for sharing your understanding about the Biblical Sabbath according to the Law of God.
"We ought to obey God rather than men" Acts 5:29.
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." Exo 20:8.
"SABBATH was made for man, and not man for the SABBATH " Mark 2: 27 & 28.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God
2 Tim 3 : 16.
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life,......Rev 22: 14.
I like this Sabbath Debate .
F FL, Please tell me the Sabbath, whether it is a ceremonial or a moral law? Thank you.
@@93556108 I never understood the distinction but if it's one of the 10 commandments, it must be important to my Father 💛
@@93556108 It Is Moral....as the other 9.....like not killing, stealing, coveting, false accusing ...etc!!!!
@@902105443 if you say it is a moral law, why the sabbath law was not repeated in the new testament but the other 9 moral laws of the 10 c ommandments like not killing, stealing etc.were repeated in the NT. Appreciate your reply. thank you.
@@902105443 if sabbath is moral then why it was left out in the new testament whether the 9 moral laws were repeated. Please tell me sy?
How can the Sabbath be a type and shadow, when the Sabbath was instituted before sin ?
Sabbath is a shadow of something great, and is real day of the week, separated from others by Him, for many things! Which day of the week do you keep Lord's Sabbath?
He. 4:9-11So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
The day You enter into His Rest and every other day ever trusting in Him.
Man was born into the sabath. Made the 6th Day, He was born into GODS Rest and so a man Born Again is Entered into HIS REST
iT WASN'T YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
Sabbath before sin was Gods rest not Adam. What did adam rest from. He rested in Gods completed work by communion with the Lord as we do we Jesus in christ completed work
Yeshua's last words to his disciples were "all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to OBSERVE ALL THAT I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. and behold I am with you always, to the end of the age." If Yeshua meant for us to no longer keep the Sabbath or the law, he not only would have said so himself but he would have lived it. Yeshua kept the Sabbath AND the law and we are told to be imitators of Christ. That means "do as he did."
You hit the nail on the head my friend. Yeshua told us to keep all of them, not some.
That sounds like Bethel Cult Church dogma to me,
Matthew 5:17-19
If Yeshua meant for us to no longer keep the Sabbath or the law, he not only would have said so himself but he would have lived it. Yeshua kept the Sabbath AND the law and we are told to be imitators of Christ. That means "do as he did."
The Lord answered him, "You hypocrites! Doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?"
Luke 13:15,16
which law? Torah? hahahaha yea, we keep the entire Law. Torah, Moral Code, Health Law and all others, why? You dont? I think you need a good excuse for sin. Anomea: translated LAWLESSNESS, iniquity, wickedness, and of course sin. What is sin? Transgression of the Law! Do you spout off about things you know nothing about much? You need repentance friend, your eternal safety is at stake. God bless and good luck with that.
By the way Antichrist changed the Law (321 AD) God didnt, to claim He did so, is calling God a LIAR you also do that? I would think you got enough problems without calling Jesus a liar who IS the Lord of the Sabbath by the way. You people are so deceived you dont KNOW your deceived but you deserve it BECAUSE you did not receive the love of the truth so therefore God has sent you strong delusion that you should believe a lie. Oh and by the way, all LIARS will have their place in the lake of fire. Rev. 21:8 read it and weep smart guy.
The Ten Commandments including the 4th one about the Sabbath ARE the commandments of GOD. Should we not obey him?.
I could have spent my the twenty nine years discussing it, instead I accepted it when I read it for myself.
Christ is a new Sabbath in the new testament
@@deybalingit4719 If He was why were the disciples keeping the Sabbatth after the resurrection. He came to established the law upon which the foundation of heaven is built ..do you love Jesus. If you me keep my commandments....they are there to protect u. The Sabbath is a sign between u and Christ forever
@@deybalingit4719
I heard that several times Jesus was on the earth ...he said "(the 4th commandment ) or sabbat it's a day which is the seven day of the week...
Math 12v 12
How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
@@Mackopoloo Sabbath is not Saturday. Sabbath was made by man and not man made by Sabbath...Mark 2:27-28
Typical of christians in having an opening where he tells stories that have nothing to do with Scripture. Our lives have been filled with symbolism and stories and more stories that only makes us feel good.
You have to understand the roots to be able to understand why you believe what you believe.
We have always been saved by grace.
The Commandments are our guide to a holy life of obedience.
From two peoples He made One.
I'm so thankful I found this.
Chris Rosebrough, well done. You’re a very good apologist
I wish people would remember the word says what God blesses is blessed forever and the Sabbath was blessed by God. The Sabbath began at creation...then later placed AGAIN in the Commandments asking us to REMEMBER and later Isaiah spoke about the Sabbath's importance. Then in Revelation it points to those who kept His commandments... please don't perish due to a lack of knowledge and Constantine's attempt to bring people together. When Paul spoke about the Sabbath remember who his audience was.........And noooo I'm not Adventist nor a Jew... I just READ!!!!
This fraud is defending the Sabbath. Joke
I noticed that Rosebrough kept mention the "shadows of things to come" and he just didn't get it! The shadows are not in the past, but are things to COME in the future. And I agree with the post by MihaaI86 that as soon as Rosebrough admitted that he was grafted into Israel Jim Staley won the debate.
SetApartLiving, Please tell me the Sabbath, whether it is a ceremonial or a moral law? Thank you.
Yup it was over
Set Apart Living, the Sabbath is a shadow in Colossians 2:16, 17) is always pointing to Christ, the Substance. Since Christ had come, the shadow, the Sabbath has lost it total religious significance thus it become obsolete to Christians.
Praises to the Most High...Shabbat Shalom through...and.. through, everybody!
It's a *commandment* end of debate
Based on Ellen White's Heretic, Plagiarized, works based salvation, flawed doctrine
Wow. Laziest respond I've ever seen
*WHO WILL YOU BELIEVE, THE HOLY SPIRIT OR MAN*? 1JOHN 2:27
As soon as Rosebrough admitted he was grafted into to being Israel, Staley won the debate.
I'm not a Hebrew roots guy but when heard that said whoops ouch. ....
Jonathan Rios Lol, it was certainly one of those foot-in-mouth moments. Once we understand passages such as the "grafting in" message (which is also found in the OT, such as Ruth), we can really start understanding everything else. We are all, who obey our Father and follow His Messiah, Israel :)
If you really think that you have not understood the Gospel. The Mosaic covenant is not binding on anyone, including Jews. It is obsolete.
“In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.(Heb 8:13)
Cris Putnam I could say the same thing to you that you do not understand the good news of the Kingdom. Especially since you call it the "Mosaic" covenant. But I don't believe I can "win you over", only God Himself can do this. He won me over Himself, I expect no different for you. May He guide you and bless you.
Cris Putnam At least the gentleman debating against the Sabbath had enough understanding to know that the commandments and covenants weren't with any other people group except Israel. If anyone really doubts that then they should really look into this new covenant more closely. Not a single covenant has ever been made from God to anyone else. So, if someone claims to have or be walking in, the new covenant, which in large part is having these nasty ole laws wrote on our new heart, then they should examine where it comes from, Jer 31 and restated for us in the book of Hebrews, and who it's made with. I just wouldn't want to be the one to align myself with whats called the "church" (all 30,000 plus denominations), which is mentioned absolutely no place in the bible. So, if your not Israel then you don't have this covenant and yes, it would be correct, you don't need to worry about the Sabbath either but, if you do have it or claim too have, and since the commandments/instructions of a Holy God/Torah and covenants are only given to Israel, then you might want to re-examine who you really serve, the doctrine of the church fathers or the Father of those who are in Messiah, the God of Israel.
Jim is totally correct. I have been so lost in going to different Churches to find the Truth. I have found it finally Praise God.
Praise God always
Here is the Sabbath (SATURDAY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT)👉👉👉✅♈️♈️✅You speak well of Paul but in an incomplete manner . Here are some others views you leave out 👉👉 💚plz take cognizance that the book of ACTS is the book of the ACTIONS OF THE DISCIPLES =FOLLOWERS OF JESUS AND THAT GOD GIVES HIS HOLY SPIRIT TO THOSE THAT FOLLOW HIM i.e Acts 5:32 💚👉 here are some views you leave out from the life of Paul who went to these gentile lands or gentile people 👉📍📍Acts 13:13,14 he went into the church synagogue just like his saviour Jesus. His sermon goes all thru those verses BUT also read Acts 13:27 it exclaims 👉👉”which are read every sabbath “ this is a present continuous tense and Acts 13:42-44 👉tells you that he was informed to meet all of them (Jews and gentiles ) the next sabbath (Saturday) , even gentiles that’s you and me for we were gentiles . Notice the the present continuous tense again in Acts 15 :21 for this as found in Acts was after Jesus died and rose and went to HEAVEN, yet they kept the sabbath the same Saturday Jesus kept and Paul says ( follow him as he follows Jesus 👉 1 Corinthians 11:1 but Jesus kept it in Mark 6:2 and Luke 4:16 and he says using KJV 👉👉John 14:15 ,21 , John 15:10 And James 2:10,11 makes it worse and with this remembering the definition of sin in 1John 3:4. ♈️BUT TO PAUL ♈️👉👉plz read Acts 16:13-16 still in this chapter Paul who you were quoting still kept the sabbath But of you doubt I may understand you.BUT WAIT! These next verses should remove the doubt if you sincerely love JESUS and what he decided to be put as truth in the BIBLE 👉👉here are the verses Acts 17: 2 this is the same day his master Jesus worshipped on (Mark 6:2 and Luke 4:16) who shed his blood for Paul and for us . Again Paul adds one of his Acts as a disciple in ACTS 18:1,4( and so the book of the Corinthians ) so even in Corinth Paul still kept Saturday Sabbath because he wanted to be like Jesus in everything he did= 1John 2:6 “ ought himself also to walk, even as he walked “ and Revelation 14:4 “FOLLOW the LAMB WITHERSOEVER HE GOETH” so follow your saviour if you love him and if you want to know which day the sabbath is plz read 📕Luke 23:52 -56 and continue to read Luke 24:1,2 and 6 📗and boooooooom you will be enlightened by the Holy Spirit who will faithfully lead you into all truth and that the sabbath is the 7th (Exodus 20:8-11) and not the 1st day of the week , no ,not Sunday but Saturday is the seventh Day and the SABBATH OF THE LORD JESUS (MARK 2:27,28 Also Revelation 1:10) I know this is mouthful or a lot of info but needful because I was moved by the Holy Spirit to write .♈️
Additionally using your kjv bible plz do kindly read 1JOHN 2:3,4 Revelation 14:12 , Revelation 12:17 Revelation 22:14,15 follow Jesus 👉Revelation 14:4 I say follow Jesus 👉👉1John 2:6 and keep the sabbath Saturday as Jesus did if he is the Saviour you claim to love
LASTLY PAUL IN ROMANS AND OTHER BOOKS 👉👉 Romans 2:13 actually that wrath of the Lamb =wrath of Jesus due to the destruction of the 7 last plagues and the destruction of the world at his 2nd coming is for those who don’t obey the TRUTH Roman 2:8 and truth is indeed the word of God but additionally truth also = Psalms 119:142 add verse 172. Again in ROMANS 3:31 and Romans 7:12 he says the law that includes Sabbath Saturday keeping , in Hebrews 10:16 And Hebrews 8:10 follow the same Paul outline.
♈️✅ Simply give your life to Jesus and follow what he lived and follow those verses I gave above all of them in the BOOK OF ACTS then make a decision for Jesus not your pastor or parents and friends 👉👉Matthew 10:36,37 📍and JESUS SPOKE IT CORRECTLY IN MATTHEW 10:38 and Matthew 16:24 , THEN FOLLOW JESUS TODAY AND HARDEN NOT YOUR HEART AGAINST THE PROMPTINGS AND PLEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAUSE GOD EVEN WARNED LONG BEFORE OF THE CHANGE OF SATURDAY TO SUNDAY BY THE POPE IN DANIEL 7:25 and EZEKIEL 22:26📍✅♈️ for clarifications plz call +260950345022 Thanks and God bless you and plz know that Jesus loves you.
Jim Stanley- Your opening sratement is awesome! I wish that I knew this year's ago! I can not change the past. I love the truth found in the scriptures! THANK YOU for exposing the truth found in the scriptures! I pray that everyone will understand this truth!
May YHWH richly bless you as you love honor and serve Him all of the days of your life!
I have watched this before, 10 Stars for Jim The church needs to wake up
Jim needs a get out jail free card and 10 million to pay back victims he ripped of.
the church is lost that's why I don't go
When I got born again I always go to church every Sunday for 35 years until God revealed to me in year 2018 about the sabbath. Im now believing that Saturday is sabbath the 7th day of a week. In 20th January 2018, I founded a church in London that worship every Saturday and some of my previous churchmate are afraid what I did because of my changed of belief about Saturday service. My Facebook account name is also my church name, its NITZACHON CHURCH.
I’m sure Jim will be really happy you approve while he’s serving seven years in prison For defrauding little old ladies
@@abidinginchrist3139 Do a little research fond out what really happened
Yes the Sabbath is for today, Amen !, anyone who can't see this is spiritually blind,....as I was, once, all the scriptures back up the Ten Commandments, yes the shud keep them, if God had no Law,....well, there wud, been no need for Jesus to have died,....wen we break one commandment, we break them all,....but we have a great high priest who we can come boldly before the throne of grace of God to repent, the Sabbath was in creation well before a Jewish nation even in the book of (Hebrews ch 4 -- 11),....note verse "8,"...wot Jesus says not that verse. So after this debate, think to ask God to show you all, He revealed much truth to me, years ago, & still does, Amen. It is a salvation issue,....if we don't keep these commandments the Ten of them, we don't love Him, as we think we ought we should,....Amen !.
Amen !.
Beautiful! God bless you for your testimony!
So, which day of the week do you keep Lord's Sabbath?
Yehovah God is Great I replied to Angela Day.
Yehovah God is Great what makes you think that Paul was talking to the Gentiles and all the other disciples were only talking to the Jews even when Jesus was alive Jesus took them out to Samaria which was not within jewish territory. Furthermore John was the youngest apostle and the last to die . was his message not for everyone. Find it interesting that when people are trying to prove that Sunday is the Sabbath they only use Paul's writings not the entire Bible or even the entire New Testament. I also find it interesting that he was the only one not personally in the company of our Savior Jesus Christ .But if Paul is the only one you wish to discuss let's look at what he wrote to the Hebrews ,for example Hebrews 4 verse eight now go back to the Hebrew because the new versions have change what it says except for the King James Version.
Paul wrote like 14 books of the Bible out of the 66 one of them was Ephesians. Ephesians is very interesting it says in Ephesians 2:2 in the past you disobeyed . what is it they were disobeying that they disobeyed in the past that now they're keeping. Could it be that in the past They didn't obey the 10 Commandments and Paul is calling them to keep them. Well let's take a look chapter 2 verse eight you're saved by grace not works now let's put that in perspective. Jesus was talking to The Pharisees when he told a parable about everyone that worked a certain day in the field but at the end of the day they all got the same reward or amount of pay. They all still had to work but for the same reward. Verse 15 says that the laws of the ordinance were abolished these were written on a parchment by Moses but the 10 Commandments were written in stone by God's own finger. They were also kept a different place the 10 Commandments in the box and the ordinances in a side pocket of the box outside the box. One was the foundation of his government seat like laws of all governments or kingdoms the other laws to keep a large amount of people in check and healthy like people with the leprosy were to be isolated. Verse 18 says the Holy Spirit was sent as opposed to the sanctuary services verse 19 of chapter 3 instead of the presence of the cloud filling the sanctuary his love is to fill our hearts verse 20 if we ask he will hear. Now here's where it gets interesting in chapter 4 he tells the Gentiles not to walk as other Gentiles that's verse 17 then versus 23 to 30 he tells them do you have a new mind or a new heart and if so put away lying stealing foul mouth chapter 5 he continues with verse three don't fornicate verse five don't covet verse 18 don't drink in excess verse 25 love your wives chapter 6 on obey your parents provoke not your kids to wrath. He goes on to say God is not prejudiced he treats us all the same and put on God's armor truth righteousness peace faith salvation and God's word . what he just did was list The 10Commandments . And he lets us know that Sabbath hasn't changed Hebrews 4 verse eight.
I don't understand how any Christians who truly love God and His holy Bible can go against the seventh Day Sabbath! God's holy Sabbath day!!!
Bodybuilder Friends the sign and seal is not in their minds so they are easy prey for the beast.
janie jones
EGW bs and now it became your bs. Scriptures say we are sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT not a limited day of the week. Sabbath was a sign and it guided me and other true belivers to enter HIS REST. Your obsessed with the sigh and never entered the gate for which it pointed too.
Jim Stanley is the founder and Director of passion for truth, the very platform and foundation that they are debating on!
Yes... and he just happened to get the first and last remarks... that's a bit rigged.... can't say I'm surprised though.
Chris says the law of love says we should not commit adultery but has nothing to do with the Sabbath
What about the law of loving God? Jesus said If you love me keep my commandments
The law of loving God, I see and have been taught they are the first four commandments. And that is the way we should see it as well.
Corrine Walker The law of loving God is keeping his cammandments. You cant love or even know God without keeping his laws and Commandments.
1 John 2:1-8 & 15-7
Matthew 15:8
Yosef Jones nobody notices how far the new testament goes first the shabbath was given to Yasharal only but jebus says its for man
Our Father Himself Observed the Sabbath on the 7th day Gen. 2:2...so it wasn't just for man and if The Creator and sustainer of the ENTIRE universe kept it holy, I think it's wise to keep it that way.
Jesus said " If you love me Keep my Commandments "
Read Matthew 24 and Revelation 22
God bless these men for this long due debate.
I've been, independently, led to believe in the Biblical precedence of the 4th Commandment as remaining intact with the "perfect Law of liberty" - the 10 Commandments, and it has been one of the greatest blessings in my life.
Keeping the Sabbath is not a work, just as not lying is not a work, or honoring your parents, or keeping any of the Commandments is.
And the argument that the Sabbath is somehow part of the Mosaic law that has been fulfilled by Christ, is a major blunder, for the remaining 9 Commandments testify that the 10 Commandments are still serving their intended purpose: to show us what sin is and therefore leave us guilty in need of saving, which leads us to the Cross of Christ. And those who are not under the blood of Christ remain under the condemnation of the Law.
My ears hear the Truth in Jim Staley's defense of the 4th Commandment, and my ears hear a multitude of error in Chris Rosebrough's assessments.
If you are a Christian that disagrees, do you really think God is the kind of God who would set up His perfect Laws in such a way that 10 Commandments would be changed to 9? (Then reinstated in the millennium and on the new earth?)
True we keep the commandments of YEHOVAH , we do not keep one and leave the other(s) out.
@@cynthiaodera8207 That's right! It's not that complicated but the modern evangelical world thinks it's all so outrageous. I blame 2000 years of deviation & pre-suppositions die hard.
How can Chris accuse us of not reading or understanding the Bible when he has not understood or quoted Romans 6: 14-15. We are no longer under the penalty of sin but we obey the law (Torah) of God to show our commitment to God. Jesus himself said 'if you love me keep my commandments' Jesus summarised the commandments into two, he didn't replace them the first four commandments are to love God and the other six are to love your neighbour. Learn you bible Chris and stop deceiving people with your Lutheran/Catholic lies.
I Worshipped on Sunday thank you now i believe Sabbath is the rest day
Sammy Spaniel your awesome man, im also an Adventist, praising our church and passion for truth ministries they keep also the law of god and the faith of jesus amen
Carlos delgado Amen brother, preach it loud!
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make shall remain before me, saith the lord, so shall your seed and your name remain...... And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me" saith the lord Isaiah 66: 22,23... Clear as crystal. The Sabbath is eternal.
Also, didn't Jesus said that if we love him, we should keep his commandments? And then we read in the book of Revelation, where the devil is angry with a group of" LAST DAY" people that keeps the commandments of God?
Some of us are ever learning, and cannot come to the knowledge of truth. I am not judging anyone, but we need to (myself included) study the Bible as if our lives depend on it
We need to trust Jesus and take him at his word. John 11:25,26 Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou me ?" True believers depend on the work that Christ did for us on the cross because we could never do it ( keep the law perfectly ). Only Jesus is capable of never sinning. If we could then Christ's death was in vain. Your right we do need to continue to study scripture and pray. Asking our Father to reveal truth to us. We are now under grace with a new law ; the law of love.
Vegan Meat that just tells me we will worship Every day, From one sabbath To the next. From one new moon To the next. Every day we will worship God. And we can do this Right Now. Worship God with our lives and living the two Great Commandments of love that Jesus gave us. Love God and Love our neighbor. We can live with God Right Now, Today!
amennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Uncle Will
@@paulgemme6056yes, obedience earns nothing.
"When a slave comes in from the field, does the master say to him, 'come, recline and eat'? Does he not rather say, 'wash yourself and cook my supper, then you may eat'? So too, *when* (not if!) you *have done* all that you are *commanded* (not suggested!) should say, 'we are but unworthy servants.'" -Yeshua
Yet, even if it earns nothing, obedience is not *optional.*
"The one who hears my words and does not *put them into practice* is like a fool who builds their house on the sand, and when the storm comes, his house will collapse, and its destruction will be complete."
"If you do not forgive, *I will not forgive you."*
@@joedoe1096 Jesus knows who his sheep are ( those who are born of the Spirit ). He sheep know his voice.
" I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!"
Matthew 7:23
A born again believer does not practice lawlessness. When Jesus says, depart from me; he is speaking to those who were never born again. When Jesus says never, that's exactly what he means, never. Jesus never knew them because they never became his. What ( those ) the Father gives to Jesus can and will never be snatched away from Jesus. Once a man or woman is born again, they are given eternal life. Do you what eternal means ? It means Jesus is the source of life without end. Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
A born again believer becomes a new creature in Christ, never to be become an old creature again. We can never undo what Christ has done for us. It's all about what Jesus Christ did on the cross. Read the third chapter of John over and over again until that truth sinks in.
Read the epistles of the Apostle Paul over and over again until the truth of the gospel of grace sinks in.
Romans 2:29
but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
Romans 7:6
But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
2 Corinthians 3:4
[ The Spirit, Not the Letter ] And we have such trust through Christ toward God.
2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Compassion illustrates God's love which draws people to God.
The letter ( law ) illustrates ( points out ) our sinfulness which pushes people further away from God.
We need to acknowledge our sinfulness but that is the work of the Holy Spirit when it comes to other people.
The information concerning the seventh day Sabbath cannot be any clearer than what we've heard and has not been changed by God or Jesus. Isaiah 66:22-23 did it for me, convincing me that the seventh day Sabbath will continue throughout eternity in the new Heaven and the new Earth. Wow!
Thank you.
"...from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another..."
Means that there shall be worship everyday. Not only on new moons and sabbaths.
The great sabbath is rest from the works of the flesh (sin). Labor is something different.
Jesus said that God must be worshiped in spirit and in thruth.
Where do you read in the NT that He must be worshiped on one particular day ?
@@nikolayivanov6676 You are wrong friend! We must worship the Lord everyday but the 7th day Sabbath is special and was made for man from the beginning of creation week. (Mark 2:27-28) It was, and still is, "blessed, sanctified, and holy". (Genesis 2:1-3) The fourth Commandment Say: "Remember the seventh day to keep it holy."(Exodus 20:8-11) It clearly gives the reason why we should keep it holy because we're to follow God's example. It reminds us that God, at creation, set the slandered by working six days and resting on the 7th day and therefore He want us to keep it holy. No other day was given to replace the 7th day Sabbath. Even a 5 years old child can read it and understand it. This is too clear to be confused, unless one chooses to be confused.
@@skimask7776 Romans 14
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
2Corinthians 3
Read it about "the letter that killeth" and "the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones".
Daniel Innocent, Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Quote for me a verse in the NT that Christians must keep the Sabbath. Thank you.
Wow... after the first ten minutes of the opening statements for keeping the Sabbath, my mind was made up! Sabbath is a keeper and on the seventh I'll be there! Debate over!
Study and see how GOD will show you all truth…
Man teaches with philosophy, doctrine,and teaches of men..
Chris spoke from philosophy of men and storytelling, not from the scriptures like Jim did…
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
That is downright scary that you are convinced by opening statements on this issue. Can I sell you on the proposition that condos in the desert are awesome...who needs water?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
Sometimes you just wished Jesus would just make an appearance in person where they can visibly see Him and He would say, Keep my Commandments, All 10 of them including the Sabbath to end their stiffneckedness!
Say that again Minh Hog!!
*17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."*
*-Revelation **12:17*
@@sinistransgressionofthetor5449 ,
I will gladly now walk you through the Book of Revelation to show how False Teachers spread “outrightlies” to get you to hate the ONE TRUE FAITH or the only Church established by Jesus Christ: the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Book of Revelation was placed in the back of the Bible for a reason by the “authority” that put the Bible together. The assumption is that you read ALL the preceding Books, so a PROPER INTERPRETATION can be madein a very complex and multilayered book.
Are you aware that BOTH Jerusalem and Rome have “7 Hills” ??? Google Jerusalem and “7 Hills”.
Are you aware “666” was NERO’s name spelled out in Hebrew ??? Are you aware NERO was the one who killed St. Peter and St. Paul along with many other saints ??? Are you aware the Roman Empire Caesars wanted and demanded to be viewed as “GODS” otherwise face death ??? Are you aware the Roman coins were referenced as the “mark of the Beast” because the graven images of the Caesars and were required to be worshipped as GODs ???
Are you aware from the Jewish understanding anything coming “out of the sea” represented pagan Gentiles??? Are you aware anything that came out of “the land” was referring to the Jewish Faith ???
***Are you aware in the OT repeatedly the Jewish Faith is called a “harlot” (Exodus ****34:16****, Leviticus 20:5-6, Numbers 25:1, **Deuteronomy ****31:16****, **Judges ****2:17****, **Judges ****8:27****, 33, 1 Chronicles ****5:25**** and I could go on and on) because of repeatedly accepting and worshipping pagan GODs and how they did commit idolatry and adultery in GOD’s eyes as the prophets repeatedly toldthe Jewish leaders over the centuries ???***
What old covenant “harlot” wore “fine linen” of “gold, blue, and purple and scarlet” Exodus 28:5-6, 8,39:8 ???
In the Book of Revelations what “same colors” are part of the description of the “harlot” in Revelation17:4, 18:12, 18:16???
***Now, are you aware that it is a HISTORICAL FACT the “harlot” (Jewish Faith) rode the “beast”(Roman Empire) teaming up to kill not only our Lord (John ****19:15****), but the saints of the Early Church ??? Further in Matthew ****24:34****, Jesus Christ correctly predicted within one generation (40 years) JUDGMENT upon Israel would happen - foretold the destruction of the Temple in CONTEXT (Matthew 24:2) - where the “beast” (Roman Empire) would end up devouring the “harlot”(Jewish Faith) in 70AD by destroying the Jewish Temple and over a million of Jews killed.****
How about Revelation 17:13-14 where "THE LAMB WILL CONQUER THEM"??? Where the "beast" Roman Empire leadership was located in Rome, now where is Jesus Christ's throne and "descendants on a throne" fulfilling Jeremiah 33:21-22 NEW COVENANT PROPHECY heading His church located at showing the "Lamb did CONQUER"???
www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
Now, let’s finish using a little logic and Bible sense. Does it make any sense St. John would prophecy AGAINST the ONE and ONLY Church created by Jesus Christ at the time of his writing the Book of Revelation???
Second, would St. John prophesy against the ONE and ONLY FAITH that can give out Jesus’s Body and Blood for ETERNALLIFE that he wrote about in John 6:54 and instead encourage people to walk away from Jesus’s Body and Blood becoming like those in John 6:53 ???
Makes absolutely no logical or Biblical sense whatsoever. My brother orsister, you have been repeatedly “lied” to in order to blind you from TRUTH and to get you to hate what is the ONE and ONLY TRUE FAITH. I pray for your eyes to become open to this FACT and TRUTH. We know false teachers are known by their “fruit” and in this case it is “out right lies”.
@@sinistransgressionofthetor5449 ,
JESUS CHRIST AS THE NEW MOSES
One cannot even remotely understand the NEW COVENANT without properly understanding the old covenant, i.e. all the other various covenants (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Mosaic, David, Levi), and all the covenant promises being “fulfilled” by Jesus Christ.
Are you aware Jesus was prophesized to be a NEW MOSES? Deuteronomy 18:18.
Leading a NEW EXODUS like Moses through “water (Baptism) and Spirit (Laying of Hands)” John 3:5 fulfilling Ezekiel 36:25-27 prophecy being “reborn” no longer liturgically bound by the old “written” covenant law (Baptism is per Romans 6:3-13 and explained in Romans 7:6)???
Establishing a NEW ISRAEL by choosing “12 Apostles” to represent the “12 Tribes” and gathering them all into the “NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH” where “ALL MANKIND” can come to worship Him (both Jew and Gentile alike) fulfilling Isaiah 66:22-23 prophecy???
Through Jesus Christ the NEW ADAM (Romans 5:12-18) we become part of the NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15) as “adopted” sons and daughters of GOD (Galatians 4:4-7)???
How like Moses Jesus went up on a mountain and gave us NEW LAW in the NEW COVENANT that “fulfill” (Matthew 5:17, Romans 13:8, 10, Galatians 5:14), elevate and “perfect” the old covenant laws (Matthew 5:1-12 and especially John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17, 1 Corinthians 9:21, Galatians 6:2)???
Aware that Jesus Christ transformed the Exodus 12:14 “forever” GOD commanded passover in the upper Room in the “Last Supper” into the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER (Luke 22:19-20) replacing the lamb in all the Synoptic Gospel accounts (Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:19-20) with Himself by becoming the “Lamb of GOD” (John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:7, 1 Peter 1 :19) for “Death to Passover” (John 6:54)???
Giving us a NEW SABBATH as the NEW COVENANT PASSOVER "fulfills" all the Leviticus 23 "forever" GOD commanded Feasts that point to what "day" in Leviticus 23:11,15 and verse 21 "on the same day" with a “day of rest”, and verse 39??? Further, see “AGAIN HE SET A CERTAIN DAY” and “another day” per Hebrews 4:7-9 with what conclusion in verse 9???
Aware that Jesus gave us a NEW PRIESTHOOD as He fulfilled His Father’s “forever” WORD (Exodus 29:7-9, Exodus 40:15, 1 Chronicles 23:13), covenant promise to Levi (Numbers 25:12-13, Malachi 2:4-7), and NEW COVENANT PROMISE (Jeremiah 33:14-22) to take in some “Gentile” priests (Isaiah 66:21) so it will no longer be based on tribal lineage??? Are you aware an old covenant Jew could not go directly to GOD to receive His forgiveness for his personal sins??? Leviticus 5:5-6 and Numbers 5:5-9. The same is true in the NEW COVENANT as the ONE MEDIATOR gave what “power” to His Church in Matthew 16:19, 18:18 and specifically stated to newly certain ordained “men” in John 20:21-23???
Aware Jesus Christ gave His very self to us as the NEW MANNA in the Holy Eucharist (John 6:31-35) to sustain us until we reach the NEW PROMISED LAND (Heaven)???
Doubts about the “real presence” of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist??? If the old covenant is a mere “shadow” of the revelation in Jesus Christ (Hebrews 10:1), then what do you believe the “forever” liturgically GOD commanded “Bread of the Presence” (Exodus 25:30, Leviticus 24:5-9) becomes in the NEW COVENANT???
@@sinistransgressionofthetor5449 ,
At least that's what your 1863 "man made" Protestant denomination false teaching a true "Harlot Sabbath Keeper" tells you to believe. And, as all "man made" there has to be a perversion of Sacred Scripture and history in their attempts.
Let’s start with Hosea 2:11. In CONTEXT of "END ALL....HER SABBATHS" plural not your perversion.
Lamentations 2:6 "the LORD HAS BROUGHT TO END in Zion appointed feast AND SABBATH"
Lamentations 2:9 "THE LAW IS NO MORE, AND HER PROPHETS OBTAIN NO VISION FROM THE LORD".
Luke 16:16 "THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS WERE UNTIL JOHN, THEN" what???
Ephesians 2:14 "BY ABOLISHING IN HIS FLESH THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS"
Colossians 2:14 "HAVING CANCELED THE BOND THAT STOOD AGAINST US WITH ITS LEGAL DEMANDS".
SDA interpretation of "legal demands" against us is "ceremonial laws" nowhere listed in the Bible just like "Bible Alone"??? How absolutely absurd. Follow all 613 commandments of GOD, then??? Galatians 5:3-4.
Romans 7:6 "BUT NOW WE ARE DISCHARGED FROM THE LAW.....SO, WE NO LONGER SERVE UNDER THE OLD WRITTEN CODE BUT IN THE NEW LIFE OF THE SPIRIT".
Romans 7:7-11. What clearly is the "LAW OF SIN AND DEATH"???
Romans 8:2 "FOR THE LAW OF SPIRIT OF LIFE (John 13:34, 15:12, 15:17) IN CHRIST JESUS HAS SET ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH"
Now, Romans 10:4 "FOR CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW". Remember, there is no separation of the 613 commandments of GOD of the old covenant laws:
www.jewfaq.org/10.htm
Hebrews 8:13 "IN SPEAKING OF THE NEW COVENANT HE TREATS THE FIRST AS OBSOLETE".
Galatians 4:4-7. For Jesus Christ was "BORN UNDER THE LAW to redeem THOSE WHO WERE UNDER THE LAW" and so that we may receive "adoption" as sons and daughters of GOD.
(Remember, Hebrews 10:26-29 what happens to that "sacrifice" that formerly "FREED US FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH" if we "deliberately sin". Welcome to what "fulfilled" means and you will need the "power" Jesus Christ the ONE MEDIATOR gave to His ONE and ONLY established Church to be reconciled with God again per John 20:21-23.)
TELL Chris that the 10 commandments is not the Moses law, it was spoken by GOD , written by GOD ON TABLE OF STONE, and today GOD PUT IN THE HEART , 2 Cor 3, 3, the so call church father were all liars,
He knows it!
What he doesn't know, I assume:
1) Which day of the week is Lord's Sabbath,
2) He cannot prove it by Bible,
3) Lord's Passover,
4) The prophesies about Jesus,
5) "2300 days and eves",
6) When Jesus left one part of the temple and move in the Most Holy Place?
The law of Christ IS the law of God. A house divided can not stand.
AMEN. that is a good way of putting it 👍
Im a seventh day adventist i keep the Sabbath saturday