About as great a basketball genius as there is. Gr8 player & executive that was a pioneer of sorts that had a positive impact everywhere he went. Rip Jerry West 🕊
@@Ross601MS he was on a good team. A superteam is when players in their primes self select to play together. Not when you have to play with other guys just because you’re on the same team. Much easier to play with your friends than someone chosen by management or someone you don’t like.
Come on Rob. West was equally a great player and executive. On at least two of his finals losses to Boston, it was game 7 and was lost by a last second shot. You're going to hold that against him and say he only won once. Awe come on. Jerry West is an ALL TIME GREAT PLAYER. Top 20 all time.
I see a lot of folks touchy because he passed, but I think this is a good discussion I liked It and they showing both of his careers lots of love. The man is very successful
Jerry West was listed as point guard all but two of his seasons ., he even led the league in assists once. He also led the league in scoring once. I rank him as the second best PG behind Oscar and ahead of Magic. He played better defense and shot outside better than magic. As for the losses , NOBODY won except the Celtics - Havlicek , S Jones , Russell , Heinshon , Sanders , Cousey , Nelson , Howell , KC Jones , Sharman , Ramsey VS West & Baylor
I'd say equally both he's literally one of the very few to go from having an excellent career as a player then become an excellent executive, legendary both on the court and in the office can't say that about many other greats.
you all did not even mention Red Auerbach. Jerry West had a hand in those early Warriors rings, too, and what he did in Memphis, even though he won no championships, was impressive as well because they were nothing when he got there.
All of those warrior rings. Since they were gonna trade klay for kevin love until West said he would quit if they did so. Then he was the one who convinced Kd to sign. Let's not forget he also gifted the Lakers Pau Gasol while he was with the Grizzlies.
It is now that we know the outcome but not then keep in mind the center had just led those same Lakers to the finals and lost to Jordan! So Charlotte made the right decision for them they already had LJ and a good powerful they had good guard play so it helped them!! Fyi Kobe is my all time fav! But at the time good move for both remember Beans team had great guard play also he didn't even start because of it!
Chris cannot help but to tear down Kobe to pump up LeBron every chance he gets. Folks DID know Kobe was nice BUT the league, at that time placed more emphasis on veterans and never ever had a high school kid come in and play well. Kobe was KILLING pros in workouts and scrimmages prior to the draft.... Everyone knew it but the league wasn't ready to take that gamble... Thus Kobe came in and had to sit and wait his turn despite him able to start from day 1. The Kobe's and KGs of the world laid the groundwork for LeBron to come and teams to be confident a high school kid come into the league right away and be great
Exactly, Bron was no. 1 pick because of the immediate impact players like KG & Kobe had where they both Top 15-20 players in the NBA by the time they 20-21 years old. It's the main reason in 2001 Draft, 3 out of 4 Top 4 Picks were players straight out of highschool.
@@blacknetsmed Lebron was the best high school prospect in the modern era of basketball. He was gonna be number 1 regardless even if KG and Kobe didn’t turn into stars.
Chris & Rob: As a point of reference I have been watching (or more recently just following) the NBA since 1963-64. So I remember Jerry West very well. The league during Jerry West's time was very different than now. In his era, Oscar Robertson and Jerry West were considered the two best guards. Those two were supplanted by Jordan, Erving, Majic Johnson, and Steph Curry, and LeBron. The LA Lakers should have won against the Celtics in 1969 and could have won in 1984. The Celtics had a very strong team during the 1960s - and their bench players could have been starters on other teams.
Jerry’s competitiveness , obsession and anxiety drove his greatness and what a gift to us fans. We see these traits in Jordan and Lebron. Jordan never really took to the executive role and seemed more interested in golf, etc. Lebron’s full bball book isn’t written yet. Let’s hope that Lebron becomes an owner to see if he can succeed at that level.
As a lifelong Celtics fan, 46 years to be exact, how can you not include Red Auerbach in a discussion about great basketball executives? Red, RIP, was a HOF coach and GM/President, talent evaluator. He is the only man who could rival Mr. West as a GM/President.
It would be pretty tough for anyone to be a better player than "Mr Clutch". He set the standard for Laker nation and more importantly taught us the importance of hating Boston. RIP to one of my All-Time Basketball Heroes.
No one talks about this but he did say before the draft that SGA is gonna become great. No one saw that until he was traded to the thunder. If he ran the clippers they would have been way better.
I honestly have no idea what you mean. They’re basically saying he’s one of the best basketball people ever, and asking what is the best thing that he did? You’re acting like they just completely disrespected him.
All Chris had to say was West has the most total finals points all time... and end it there. But does he? NOPE. He HAS to mention Bron. Chris is so deep with Klutch he can't even give Mr. Clutch a decent send off.... Chris, you are literally the worst.
He was a catalyst to the Warriors dynasty! He got KD and refused to trade Klay for Kevin Love before Klay was great. Had he done that trade, it would have changed the Warriors trajectory.
Guys Jerry West was one of the greatest players in NBA history he was the BEST executive/ evaluator of talent in the history of the league two examples he was the only person who knew that Kobe Bryant was the closest thing to Michael Jordan takes over the Memphis Grizzlies made a lot of player moves hired Hubie Brown as coach the Grizzlies went from a 65 loss team to a 50 win team and made the playoffs. just 2 examples of the greatness from Jerry West RIP 🌺🇺🇲
Chris I tired of your LeBron was seen as better than Kobe in HS absolutely not right yes James was drafted #1 over all but keep mind that was a AAU small guard league of mostly teenages! Kobe was drafted in a veterans older league and he was actually the highest drafted guard the league had ever seen and scouts had said had the best pre-draft workouts they had ever seen!
U right i remember how big kobe was..but cmon lebron games was on espn wasn’t they? Real question btw but i kno they was on tv..im kobe over lebron fyi lol
If you go back and watch the '95 & '96 Draft the analyst would automatically pegged Highschool players as 3-4 year "projects". A players that'll take years to develop into any kind of impact player.
@@durellscott9411 you ever thought that the REASON Bron had ESPN games was due to Kobe (and KG) being successful? Someone had to prove HS players could actually succeed in order for the ones after to be drafted 🤦🏾♂️
A better executive . Looking back at the laker years with wilt, West and Baylor, at least for me, I don’t remember any of them being a true team leader, and I think that’s why they lost against Boston so many times. Don’t get me wrong, Jerry played his heart out and was a superstar, but they seemed to lack a leader. Even when they won the championship it seemed leaderless.
Lebron james has 6finals loses, only second to Jerry West who lost 8finals Chris Broussard the only two players from the Lakers to do it.john Havlichek won Championships with the Boston Celtics.
Jerry west is at least a top 20 all time, maybe top 15..if he only won two more chips and an mvp..he would be top 10 all time...the big O was the better player at the beginning of their careers..they both enter the nba together in 1960, oscar won roy, an mvp and averaged a td..but jerry west was the better player from 1968 until they retired..a better defender and more clutch than oscar...my top 15 all time in no particular order...kareem, wilt, russ, shaq, timmy, bird, magic, lebron, mj, kobe, hakeem, steph, west, oscar, and pettit..then followed by hondo, malone, barkley, baylor, and moses to round up my top 20 all time...
@antoniouy9704 I posted very similar comments yesterday, especially regarding Oscar being better at the beginning of their careers and Jerry better late in their careers. Also, your top 15 is almost identical to mine, with the only difference being that I included Durant (I could possibly be argued away from him, though) rather than Pettit. I would also include Julius Erving in my top 20. Finally, I want to mention that John Havlicek is my all-time favorite player, so I'm really happy you included him in your top 20. Baylor and Moses are easily top 20.
@@kevinhouse4376 yes, forgot about dr j..if we include his aba stats..i would have him over barkley or malone .in barry's case i considered his aba stats...
@@kevinhouse4376 yes, forgot about dr j..if we include his aba stats..i would have him over barkley or malone .in barry's case i considered his aba stats...
What’s distasteful? They’re giving him flowers, the question is just which flowers are bigger? It would be like asking if when Jimmy Carter passes away if his philanthropy work or political work was more helpful.
Because black media is obsessed with race. The race talk in the Catlin Clark conversation is black media members constantly bringing up race. We could be talking about a turkey sandwhich and some how a black media member will bring up race.
if u scored 100 points against middle school players is that a big accomplishment..stop acting like blk ppl didn’t make the league harder for yt ppl..questions like this is a distraction
@@durellscott9411 but bringin up race constantly isnt a distraction ? also when a black man dominates in a sport where white folks generally dominate do we see white people saying and omg hes a black guy wow ,,no cuz its stupid n divisive and serves no purpose
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 King James Version 15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
You just don’t know what you’re talking about. Charlotte drafted him SPECIFICALLY because they learned how much Jerry wanted him. Jerry West tried to keep the tryout a secret because of how sure he was Kobe was going to be amazing. I have no idea why you’re trying to rewrite history.
@@rickyrobby8133 not to mention Divac was not happy when he found out because his wife at the time was an aspiring actress. No one is saying you're wrong. Chill out. I'm explaining exactly what went down real time in 1996 because I watched the telecast.
My favorite Jerry West moment was when he called JJ Reddick the plumber of his era!😂
And he’s right
😂 facts
Jerry West is arguably the greatest basketball mind in NBA history. He’s responsible for 3 of the greatest dynasties ever.
Not arguably. There's no one that compares.
he's our Red Auerbach too bad the lakers organization didnt treat as well as the celtics treated red
Death taxes and Broussard always bringing up LEBRAAAAAWWN
About as great a basketball genius as there is. Gr8 player & executive that was a pioneer of sorts that had a positive impact everywhere he went. Rip Jerry West 🕊
Kobe got 5 legit rings. West was alltime mastermind. West went to 8 finals without joining a super team
Legend.
9 finals
@@Ross601MS he was on a good team. A superteam is when players in their primes self select to play together. Not when you have to play with other guys just because you’re on the same team. Much easier to play with your friends than someone chosen by management or someone you don’t like.
@@Ross601MS there were no free agents back then so how could that be?
@@Ross601MSthe Celtics of his era were a super team. They had like 8 HOFers
Come on Rob. West was equally a great player and executive. On at least two of his finals losses to Boston, it was game 7 and was lost by a last second shot. You're going to hold that against him and say he only won once. Awe come on. Jerry West is an ALL TIME GREAT PLAYER. Top 20 all time.
he was a better player than exec
jerry west didnt lose 8 finals--- his TEAMS lost 8 finals (it's a TEAM sport)
Well said.
He was a greater player by far, look at the man's stats
Top 10 guard of all time
@@TIGMT0824but possibly the best executive ever, so I think that wins out.
But he's the Greatest Executive of all time.
I see a lot of folks touchy because he passed, but I think this is a good discussion I liked It and they showing both of his careers lots of love. The man is very successful
Hell of a legacy and career guy can get into HOF as boy player and gm this man was amazing
Jerry West was listed as point guard all but two of his seasons ., he even led the league in assists once. He also led the league in scoring once. I rank him as the second best PG behind Oscar and ahead of Magic. He played better defense and shot outside better than magic. As for the losses , NOBODY won except the Celtics - Havlicek , S Jones , Russell , Heinshon , Sanders , Cousey , Nelson , Howell , KC Jones , Sharman , Ramsey VS West & Baylor
He was a great combo guard.
Why is this a discussion?? Jus celebrate his life
Exactly
Yes, just love him as both.
Same thing I was thinking. Just celebrate what he did for the league.
They're making us choose and he's not even cold yet. WTF.
@@greggibson33 I wanna laugh so bad bruh
I'd say equally both he's literally one of the very few to go from having an excellent career as a player then become an excellent executive, legendary both on the court and in the office can't say that about many other greats.
you all did not even mention Red Auerbach.
Jerry West had a hand in those early Warriors rings, too, and what he did in Memphis, even though he won no championships, was impressive as well because they were nothing when he got there.
All of those warrior rings. Since they were gonna trade klay for kevin love until West said he would quit if they did so. Then he was the one who convinced Kd to sign. Let's not forget he also gifted the Lakers Pau Gasol while he was with the Grizzlies.
How could they forget about Red who set the standard for Jerry Buss - Lakers !
@@202One Because Red has literally nothing to do with Jerry's passing.
Great segment! Very timely. If not now when!!!???
This is true , if this quuestion is not asked now when will it ever be?
Getting 18 year old Kobe for Divac is an all time heist. Divac was getting old too didn't have many good years left.
Vlade was 28 years old in 1996. So he was in his prime.
Vlade was still in his prime with the Hornets and Kings.
It is now that we know the outcome but not then keep in mind the center had just led those same Lakers to the finals and lost to Jordan! So Charlotte made the right decision for them they already had LJ and a good powerful they had good guard play so it helped them!! Fyi Kobe is my all time fav! But at the time good move for both remember Beans team had great guard play also he didn't even start because of it!
@@harinderrana9735Vlade was an old 28.
mr west fleeced tf out of the hornets 😂
Chris cannot help but to tear down Kobe to pump up LeBron every chance he gets.
Folks DID know Kobe was nice BUT the league, at that time placed more emphasis on veterans and never ever had a high school kid come in and play well.
Kobe was KILLING pros in workouts and scrimmages prior to the draft.... Everyone knew it but the league wasn't ready to take that gamble... Thus Kobe came in and had to sit and wait his turn despite him able to start from day 1. The Kobe's and KGs of the world laid the groundwork for LeBron to come and teams to be confident a high school kid come into the league right away and be great
Exactly, Bron was no. 1 pick because of the immediate impact players like KG & Kobe had where they both Top 15-20 players in the NBA by the time they 20-21 years old. It's the main reason in 2001 Draft, 3 out of 4 Top 4 Picks were players straight out of highschool.
Even if Kobe and KG wasn’t a thing you wasn’t gonna pass on a talent like Lebron. They was nowhere near as good as him coming out of high school.
@@blacknetsmed Lebron was the best high school prospect in the modern era of basketball. He was gonna be number 1 regardless even if KG and Kobe didn’t turn into stars.
Chris takes any chance he gets to spit on Kobe's grave. 💦
He’s a Kobe hater since day one
Chris & Rob: As a point of reference I have been watching (or more recently just following) the NBA since 1963-64. So I remember Jerry West very well. The league during Jerry West's time was very different than now. In his era, Oscar Robertson and Jerry West were considered the two best guards. Those two were supplanted by Jordan, Erving, Majic Johnson, and Steph Curry, and LeBron. The LA Lakers should have won against the Celtics in 1969 and could have won in 1984. The Celtics had a very strong team during the 1960s - and their bench players could have been starters on other teams.
Next u gon tell us u was a referee..wats the point man 😂 shoulda coulda woulda
A legend on the court/executive Supreme.
Saying no to the Kevin Love Klay Thompson trade was genius and the fact the didn’t mention that he won finals mvp on a losing team is crazy
Jerry’s competitiveness , obsession and anxiety drove his greatness and what a gift to us fans. We see these traits in Jordan and Lebron. Jordan never really took to the executive role and seemed more interested in golf, etc. Lebron’s full bball book isn’t written yet. Let’s hope that Lebron becomes an owner to see if he can succeed at that level.
As a lifelong Celtics fan, 46 years to be exact, how can you not include Red Auerbach in a discussion about great basketball executives? Red, RIP, was a HOF coach and GM/President, talent evaluator. He is the only man who could rival Mr. West as a GM/President.
Let the man rest in peace. Jerry West was a brilliant player and executive. A brilliant basketball mind and IQ. Logo…
It would be pretty tough for anyone to be a better player than "Mr Clutch". He set the standard for Laker nation and more importantly taught us the importance of hating Boston. RIP to one of my All-Time Basketball Heroes.
No one talks about this but he did say before the draft that SGA is gonna become great. No one saw that until he was traded to the thunder. If he ran the clippers they would have been way better.
That guy that debated Rob about Kobe has to call in to the show now!
Odd Couple down bad for this. Smh
I honestly have no idea what you mean. They’re basically saying he’s one of the best basketball people ever, and asking what is the best thing that he did?
You’re acting like they just completely disrespected him.
@@rickyrobby8133 it’s too early for a debate like that tho
@@z-mane1438 Don’t be so dramatic Karen.
@@blaketindle4703 lol ijs bruh
@@z-mane1438 Truth, dude. Who's the actual dramatic Karen? 😆
All Chris had to say was West has the most total finals points all time... and end it there. But does he? NOPE. He HAS to mention Bron. Chris is so deep with Klutch he can't even give Mr. Clutch a decent send off.... Chris, you are literally the worst.
He was a catalyst to the Warriors dynasty! He got KD and refused to trade Klay for Kevin Love before Klay was great. Had he done that trade, it would have changed the Warriors trajectory.
Guys Jerry West was one of the greatest players in NBA history he was the BEST executive/ evaluator of talent in the history of the league two examples he was the only person who knew that Kobe Bryant was the closest thing to Michael Jordan takes over the Memphis Grizzlies made a lot of player moves hired Hubie Brown as coach the Grizzlies went from a 65 loss team to a 50 win team and made the playoffs. just 2 examples of the greatness from Jerry West RIP 🌺🇺🇲
Chris I tired of your LeBron was seen as better than Kobe in HS absolutely not right yes James was drafted #1 over all but keep mind that was a AAU small guard league of mostly teenages! Kobe was drafted in a veterans older league and he was actually the highest drafted guard the league had ever seen and scouts had said had the best pre-draft workouts they had ever seen!
U right i remember how big kobe was..but cmon lebron games was on espn wasn’t they? Real question btw but i kno they was on tv..im kobe over lebron fyi lol
If you go back and watch the '95 & '96 Draft the analyst would automatically pegged Highschool players as 3-4 year "projects". A players that'll take years to develop into any kind of impact player.
Stop it
@@durellscott9411 you ever thought that the REASON Bron had ESPN games was due to Kobe (and KG) being successful? Someone had to prove HS players could actually succeed in order for the ones after to be drafted 🤦🏾♂️
@@bluefalcon24 no!!! Wth..do u see anyone like that today..either u got it or u dont..kobe aint make no lebron..God did
Did we forget that he pick Shai too ?
But bro common man a debate on him on this day ?
Leave at least the man rest under the ground peacefully. Smh
I think ur misinterpreting the topic
Having a discussion the day he died about if he was a better player or executive that’s tough for me man. Give his props and move on
Looks like Chris ran out of discussion in the middle of the cast😂
Kobe for Vlade Divac is wild. History sure looks kindly on that decision for West. As for Charlotte.......
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
A better executive .
Looking back at the laker years with wilt, West and Baylor, at least for me, I don’t remember any of them being a true team leader, and I think that’s why they lost against Boston so many times. Don’t get me wrong, Jerry played his heart out and was a superstar, but they seemed to lack a leader. Even when they won the championship it seemed leaderless.
So Rob is notorious for giving bag takes?
Yes
God of bad takes
have these sports guys ever heard of red Auerbach ? 16 titles as coach and gm
Mostly coach. West more as GM.
Lebron james has 6finals loses, only second to Jerry West who lost 8finals Chris Broussard the only two players from the Lakers to do it.john Havlichek won Championships with the Boston Celtics.
Better executive how about Red Auerbach. RIP to the Logo
He told golden state not to get rid of klay for love
I hate how Rob is always looking down and playing on his phone
Was he really like the way he was portrayed in "Winning Time???"
He was amazing at both...better player for that era but his executive work led to success of others but did he make insane moves not really
that's disrespectful, he was a better player than executive, he was the first nba superstar. In my opinion, he had a better career than Kobe
I would love to imagine when West died he was greeted by Kobe at the gates of heaven and he told him some funny joke lol
Player
Jerry West would rather see the afterlife than to see the Celtics win another title..
JW,RA,PR greatest ex. Ever
Red Arback? Real close though
Jerry west is at least a top 20 all time, maybe top 15..if he only won two more chips and an mvp..he would be top 10 all time...the big O was the better player at the beginning of their careers..they both enter the nba together in 1960, oscar won roy, an mvp and averaged a td..but jerry west was the better player from 1968 until they retired..a better defender and more clutch than oscar...my top 15 all time in no particular order...kareem, wilt, russ, shaq, timmy, bird, magic, lebron, mj, kobe, hakeem, steph, west, oscar, and pettit..then followed by hondo, malone, barkley, baylor, and moses to round up my top 20 all time...
@antoniouy9704 I posted very similar comments yesterday, especially regarding Oscar being better at the beginning of their careers and Jerry better late in their careers. Also, your top 15 is almost identical to mine, with the only difference being that I included Durant (I could possibly be argued away from him, though) rather than Pettit. I would also include Julius Erving in my top 20. Finally, I want to mention that John Havlicek is my all-time favorite player, so I'm really happy you included him in your top 20. Baylor and Moses are easily top 20.
@@kevinhouse4376 yes, forgot about dr j..if we include his aba stats..i would have him over barkley or malone .in barry's case i considered his aba stats...
@@kevinhouse4376 yes, forgot about dr j..if we include his aba stats..i would have him over barkley or malone .in barry's case i considered his aba stats...
@@kevinhouse4376 Havlicek 8-0 in finals.
RIP Jerry West the logo great player great man executive menager he's a legend and will live forever as the NBA logo
Jordan, Kobe and D. Wade are the top 3 GOAT Shooting Guards, Joe Dumars is at 4. Jerry West is not better than no damn Dwayne Wade.
The guy was just laid to rest and this is the genius topic you come up with? Dudes this is an all time low.
Why can’t he be both?!
Dirty Deacon Brossard . Like I said it’s something in Chris contract where he has to talk about lebron
This segment is distasteful, Chris you are better than this
Sad they bring up LeJuice 🤬
Exactly, Chris inserts LeBron into every conversation
@@TIGMT0824 He's contractually obligated by Klutch to always talk about Bron.
@@TIGMT0824Also he like other media members has to bring race into everything
@@soda8736 He's a total embarrassment.
Mastermind! Won as a excutive and a player. Showtime and the Kobe and Shaq era!
This is so distasteful! Y'all better than this!🤨
What’s distasteful? They’re giving him flowers, the question is just which flowers are bigger? It would be like asking if when Jimmy Carter passes away if his philanthropy work or political work was more helpful.
@@rickyrobby8133whenever u compare u disappoint
@@rickyrobby8133Social media is toxic. People love to complain.
executive. he's maybe the goat executive. he's a top 50 player.
Maybe goat? Who's a better executive?
He's arguably a top 20 player, top 3 at his position all-time.
@@greggibson33 RC Buford maybe? Jerry is definitely one of the better ones.
Top 100
@@bernyourhartNo he's not better than MJ, Kobe, A.I, Wade, Vince, Tmac and I'd even say Ray Allen and Klay Thompson 😮
why does race have to be brought in everything ?
Because black media is obsessed with race. The race talk in the Catlin Clark conversation is black media members constantly bringing up race. We could be talking about a turkey sandwhich and some how a black media member will bring up race.
@@soda8736 Was the turkey Black Forest turkey?
@@greggibson33😂
if u scored 100 points against middle school players is that a big accomplishment..stop acting like blk ppl didn’t make the league harder for yt ppl..questions like this is a distraction
@@durellscott9411 but bringin up race constantly isnt a distraction ? also when a black man dominates in a sport where white folks generally dominate do we see white people saying and omg hes a black guy wow ,,no cuz its stupid n divisive and serves no purpose
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
King James Version
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Somehow they bring up Jordan... pathetic
Top 5 worst segments ever.
el primero
Just fyi---he didn't draft Kobe. He traded for him on a hunch---and traded away Jabbar's replacement. That's sayin somethin
You just don’t know what you’re talking about. Charlotte drafted him SPECIFICALLY because they learned how much Jerry wanted him. Jerry West tried to keep the tryout a secret because of how sure he was Kobe was going to be amazing.
I have no idea why you’re trying to rewrite history.
@@rickyrobby8133 do you have to be a dick?! I know exactly what I'm talking about because I watched the draft. Work on your approach
@@rickyrobby8133 not to mention Divac was not happy when he found out because his wife at the time was an aspiring actress. No one is saying you're wrong. Chill out. I'm explaining exactly what went down real time in 1996 because I watched the telecast.
The lakers didn't have that lottery pick but still
Obviously, he won more rings 💍
After playing, duh
Jerry west was no different from joe biden