For me, the quieter and more fuel efficient Yamaha is the better choice. For many things the lower voltage under extreme conditions won't hurt. For sensitive electronics, I would be powering them with a solar generator. This is a good video in that I am in the market for a generator and this really brought the Yamaha to light as perhaps the best choice.
Hey - I was briefly associated way back with the original strategy team behind the Yamaha model you tested. This was done consciously and in fact its stated in the manual. ONE: this is meant for residential loads. TWO: most of the times it'll be used for electronics and standard devices THREE: 90% of all such residential devices like refrigerators, microwave, coffee machines have built-in power stabilizers. FOUR: motor stall / compressor stall will not happen. With these factors the strategy was to ALLOW as long as feasible running with heavy loads. I'd venture to say Yamaha can run at least 40% more load than Honda and longer. It'll cut off if voltage drops below 85. However, something you did not do and if you did would have been shocked. Even at voltages less than 105 you'll find its harmonics, frequency to be still at what it is if voltage was 124V. In other words the THD is still maintained at +/- 5% to 7% even under such extreme conditions. There's absolutely no other generator in the market today capable of doing this, at least sustaining this. In Japan there's actually a setting available and probably there in US versions too, except its not advertised. There's a jumper setting which when enabled ensures generator cuts-off at anything belong 109 V. This was done as there was few cases related to medical equipment which required extreme management of over/under voltage over everything else.
I've been running the Ef200iS since 2013 every summer on my boat. It runs the AC, microwave, electric stove, and battery charger just fine - but I cannot run the AC and a high-demand appliance (stove, microwave) concurrently. Since it has a 12V powered refrigerator, that means it is always running the fridge as well when the battery charger is on. Never had an issue with it other than when the oil gets low in the middle of the night and I have to clamor about to fill it. This is a non-V2 model, and I don't have the handy little door on the side. It also runs almost everything on our RV as well - and will barely start one of the roof AC units if I turn everything else off first. Add to this a few times I've used it in the field to run power tools, and I'd have to admit it is the best portable generator I've ever owned - and I've had more than 5, including an older Honda.
Fast is good If you talk faster than I can listen it’s an easy process to listen again and again and again and again...... thank you for making this video fast Fast is good
Lol thank you. Yea hard to find the right balance, but I guess people’s brains will just adapt to the fast verbal content and before they know it have no problem following along. 20 minute video in 10 mins lol.
Wow, that voltage sag on the Yamaha is really something. I've been "generator obsessed" since we purchased our travel trailer a few weeks ago, and I'll be doing some testing of the Honda EU2000i vs the Wen 56235i and then paralleling those to compare the pair of them against the Wen 56380i.
I'm not a Honda fanboy, but there's no denying that they know how to build inverter generators. I have two of them, along with a small Generac and Predator 2000. Those two don't come close to the Honda's in terms of overall quality/performance.
They truly are great gens and Yamaha is still a good one as well but now I’m still wondering why these are allowed to drop so low in voltages??? Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 😃👍🏼
Lol yea I really expected a little more out of it. It has the motor but with out the good inverter board might as well still buy a Aipower model and save a bunch of money.
I know and Honda is heading that way to. More and more of Honda’s are starting to be built there. Will see when it flips to majority of them are built there. I think it’s only 20-30 percent maybe.... and the rest in a few other areas Yea if not Honda or the other type of Yamahas like the 2400 or 3000 then might as well save your money. Only problem is that they are heavy.
Well most everything is made in China but as long as they still keep the Honda tough with longevity and durability built in it it'll still be good. And with the 2200 watt Honda with a 121cc engine producing 18.3 amps starting Max it's above most of the inverter portable generators out there. except for the Cummins Onan 2500 Watt for right now. But the Cummins Onan 2500 watt portable inverter generator no one knows if it'll with stand the test of time for longevity and durability it's not been out long enough to prove itself yet. I was going to buy the Cummins Onan 2500 portable inverter generator but I wasn't sure if it would last being it's a Chinese 98cc engine more amps than the Honda 2200 watt. So I just chose the tried and proven Honda 2200 watt inverter generator for now. If I just used an inverter generator sometimes I would go with one of the cheap Chinese 80cc models. But when you want to run RV rooftop air conditioners or more and off grid the Honda 2200 watt should hold up for me I hope. I had a 80cc cheap Chinese inverter generators and I burned up the inverter board. It didn't last 6 months being used every day off grid. luckily they exchanged it for me with a new generator. but after thinking things over I want to sell it I would rather had my money back and not lose a dime but it's too late. If I was just using a generator on the weekends or for camping or sometimes here and there I would go with the cheap chinese generator 80cc engine.
Thanks Johnny for the video; very interesting. As an engineer that has designed mission critical power supplies over the years, I would rate both generators as failures, however, Yamaha's performance was disturbing. Since one of the common household loads are induction motors, the output voltage from the generator needs to be well regulated. These motors are designed for a voltage range of 105 to 125 VAC. If the input voltage goes lower than 105 volts, the motor "slips", which will quickly overheat it. Therefore, the minimum output voltage from these generators under worst-case conditions, should never go below 110 volts. I say 110 volts instead of 105 because, with the high currents at max load, you will experience a few volts of drop in the wiring between the generator and load. Another problem with the way these generators are rated has to do with the Surge Rating - there is no published standard that I know of. Specifically, how long does the surge last? Generators typically have very little surge capability, whereas compressors, as used with refrigeration, have ridiculously high surge currents. For example, refrigerators usually have a peak surge current that is 10 to 20 times the Run Current that can last up to 5 seconds! Air conditions are not quite as bad at 5 to 10 times the run current. This is a current the generator must provide to guarantee a compressor start. Obviously generators like this can never supply the power required to properly start an RV A/C system but, they do barely supply just enough power to keep the compressor from stalling during the start but, you are risking damage to the generator and compressor, especially if a stall takes place, which is more likely to happen during hot weather. To improve the odds of the compressor starting, I recommend installing a capacitor start kit on the A/C unit, which typically drops the surge current by 30%.
Thanks Bill so much for the info. At some point I will install a capacitor for the AC unit but not everyone does so it shows a little more of a true test by keeping it stock. Mainly for the generator buyers out there. And I agree the generators should shut down by about 110 volt, which the bigger generators I test actually do shut off by about that. And 110 volts is NEC minimum from what I remember. Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
@@TheMickeymental HI Brad, I'm not sure I understand your point but, here is where I am coming from. The degree thing doesn't matter, I am just trying to pass on things I have learned the hard way with generators in hopes I will spare someone the same bad experience. I have been designing electronics for 45 years, with most of it used where someone's life depends upon it so, I'm sensitive to the fine details, such as testing under worst-case conditions. So, I'm sorry if I made it too technical. What I was trying to convey is; consumer grade generators are spec'ed using a perfect load, such as an electric space heater, which draws exactly the same amount of power at all times. Motors are just the opposite, they require huge starting currents to get them up to speed. Here is a scenario where the generator rating system will get you into big trouble. Let's say there is a hurricane forecast to come through your town so, you go out and buy a 900 watt generator to run your refrigerator just in case. The power consumption label on the frig says 5 amps maximum (which is 600 watts) so, everything looks good according to published ratings. You even go a step further and measure the actual power the frig pulls when it's running - only 120 watts; "piece of cake". As the hurricane comes through, it wipes out the power all along it's path and afterwards, the estimate to restore power in your area is 10 days, So, you fire your your new generator and plug it into your frig. The generator speeds up quite a bit after you plug it in but, you assume this is normal, nothing to worry about since all the ratings are within spec. 10 minute later you discover the generator is smoking, not from the engine but, the generator head so, you shut it down. As you had back into the house, you catch a wiff of an overheated motor smell as you pass by the frig. Some days later when you finally get power back on in the house, you discover your frig runs for a few minutes, then trips out every 5 minutes. Calling a repair man out to service the frig, he finds the compressor is bad. Later a detailed search for the failure proved that the frig tries to pull 20 amps (2,400 watts) the moment it tries to start. The generator only puts out 700 watts continuous, the 900 watt rating is actually a maximum surge rating (all portable generators are rating by Surge Watts, the continuous rating is usually 25% less). So, when the generator was connected to the frig, there wasn't power available but, the generator kept trying, putting only 60 volts. The frig compressor didn't have enough power so, it stayed in a stalled condition, dumping 500 watts of heat into its windings, as well as the generator's windings. This scenario is based upon a Harbor Freight 2 stroke generator, a higher quality Inverter Generator would probably cut off the output before damage occured.
@@billharris6886 Many people on the internet vastly overstate their education and accomplishments. There is not any possible way to support their conjectures. They use these claims to give more credence to their opinion, but more often than not the writings give them away. And your writing was not too technical. The hurricane scenario is not a generator problem, but a sizing problem and a misunderstanding by the consumer regarding basic electricity. And yes manufactures fudge the numbers. One issue I have with your statement is "mission critical.'" These referenced machines are not purchased for milspec, they are purchased by the consumer for short term situations. Although I have heard of people using them as a main source. I have seen several RUclips videos in which the Honda was placed upon an oscilloscope and tested and stayed within spec even while surging. Was the test valid? It seemed to be, but this is RUclips. The Yamaha states it will surge for 30 seconds while Honda claims 30 minutes. The key factor is the size of the engine. Several sites have individuals who claim to have 15.000 hours on the Honde EU2000i, but this is purely anecdotal evidence. Thanks for your reply.
@Brad Davies ..i think that were not giving any engineering logical & relavence arguments towards the discussed issues except misleading and sarcasm comments just to ignore other person goodness of sharing concerns. Please do not debating something you not even know, just nothing, specifically the ac thechnicals, compressor peak current start senario & etc, how that things will smoke them off, don't care how good the generator engine is.. the inverter total peak power can't hold enough such loads.. yes he is absolutely correct the power rating flaw. The other knowledgeable guy than yours was clearly telling the right things, thanks @Bill Harris and he mind to share out his thought that benefit others, critical for those who are well understood electrical motor principles. Go and check it out bro.. google text book..
I have the Yamaha model and it's been pretty great. I only got it for power outages (I live on a small island with a fragile electrical grid and we get hit by tropical storms, hurricanes, etc) to run 2 energy-efficient light bulbs, 2 floor fans, two laptops. The last time we lost power, for some reason the cable line was still working and I turned the tv on and we had entertainment! I always download vids to watch in these situations, so old SNL was the ticket. That setup lasted at least 12 hours on one tank. I have not tried to run the refrigerator on it yet. If we lose power for too long, then I'll have to test that out for sure. The manual says not to operate it in snow or rain, but I've started it and ran it in a tropical storm with lots of rain. I also have not grounded it. I probably should look into getting that done. The unit is on my roof patio. It really is the only place for it. I tried my ground patio, which is walled in with a 10-foot wall. The exhaust fumes seemed too much, so the roof patio seemed safer. Oh, I run a single 110 industrial cable from the unit on the roof down a wall to the ground patio area and into a window. From there I have a splitter running maybe two or three extension cords. I should also look into the power fluctuation issues your review discusses, especially for electronics. I need to learn/practice maintenance on it. Hope that helps!
You probably get good power because it is coming down hill from the roof and not fighting gravity so plenty of power for you. 😅 This is but one video on the net about generators and what they can and can't do so my advice will not be seen by 99.999% of people out there. Fridges test there ability but I would say to anybody who is on the one hand concerned that there fridge won't start and on the other that they can't afford a bigger generator, an easy fix is to purchase a 50-70 litre portable/mobile fridge - Weaco, Engel, etc but there are plenty of cheap Chinese models that won't empty your pocket. They will work on even small generators and can keep your most important perishables in tact during an emergency power outage. Good enough video John but my tip would be slow down, take a breath, speak slower, relate which item/device/unit you are referring to before giving out numbers, remind me regularly what you are testing for and why. 👍 In this video, was there a "load" in the microwave? Don't know but I do know they shouldn't be run while empty. Even a glass of water will suffice.
I have two of the yamaha generators...the original version, not the V2....nothing but praise. I like linking them together. I think mine was made in Japan. Does it say where it's made on a label?
It's funny this video showed up in my list but last week I was without power at my apartment thanks to a tree branch, sort of. That & the power co wouldn't hook a new line until the meter box was replaced. Anyway for a few days I rented a gen from home depot. It was the Honda version. So while I was home I used it to run the freezer & keep my aquarium going. It also powered my washer & pc a few times. It went through some fuel yeah & wasn't super loud but wouldn't say quiet either. Still, it worked. It has an economy mode which might be ok for just a bunch of lights.
The economy mode works to throttle the engine up and down as power as needed. I’d say running a compressor that turns on and off eco should be off so the generator has plenty of power and doesn’t get dragged down by the starting amps of the item. But on eco with the lower idle the generator will be quieter and burn a lot less fuel..👍🏼 Glad you stopped by 👍🏼😀
I only buy Generac products .. I like all of my Generators to be bright orange color .. and they have got me through long outages. ... great video, Thanks!
First, not every single thing made in China is crap, despite what politically driven sorts would have people believe. Chinese lower labor costs is what drives most of it, many items being built to a price for people wanting to spend less. Just like tools and other consumer items, we have choices, buy cheaper and hope they fill the need and last or buy higher priced, higher quality items and expect that they more than cover the need. It's everyone's choice. I had a Honda eu1000 generator for a number of years used for light camping and supplying some lighting around the house during outages. It was a sweetheart, ran like a top and very quiet but wattage limited. Sold it to a friend and bought a Kipor 3000 watt inverter generator (Chinese). Kipor is a large company but even though I saved some shekels over a Honda model it just doesn't have the quality feel that the Honda had. It doesn't start and idle as readily or as smoothly but handles loads well. It will start and run our 15,000btu AC on our 5th wheel but just so. To do it again I think I'd save just a little longer for a Honda.
The yamaha not shutting its self down i think must be a fluke internal electronics issue because i own the A.I Yamaha powered generator which is really the exact same generator and did very similar testing on my 18 jayco whitehawk RV and when I finally overloaded mine after being very happy with it being able to run everything minus the AC, I then brought out my lol same type radiator heater turned on medium and the generator kicked itself off at about approx 2080 watts. So I'm thinking yours might have an issues. That being said I think they both make great generators.
The Ai power with the Yamaha is actually not the same as far as electrical as the true Yamaha ef2000v2 The real Yamaha is actually much quieter and does provide more power over all. But yes In the test it should have shut down sooner but that is common when you sneak a load up and some gens.
In California My local Honda / motorsports/generator dealer has now said he has been instructed by management to not sell anymore Honda generators.maybe they are going to lower the emissions on them?then start reselling? Their salesmen haven't a clue.but I don't want to buy one that I can find somewhere else for sale on a " panic buy" with Honda pulling their own generators off the local market here.gonna wait to see if new lower emissions models or Honda just pulling out of the market permanently here
These days, most devices have switching power supplies that can handle just about any input voltage, so I don't see any major disadvantage for Yamaha here. These small generators are designed to run lights and small appliances, not cement mixers! Also, heaters "don't suffer." They are just dumb resistors that don't care about the voltage or current levels. Too much guessing in this video. It's silly when people try to run an electrical load of a McMansion from a small generator with one cylinder engine.
Did you check the voltage drop on your yellow Camco adapter? I found that to be a significant source of drop, it melted after a few hours of 1500w use with the generator.
@@johnnysweekends thanks, mine was causing my easy start to kick out on low voltage during startup. Couldn't figure it out for a while until I bought the dogbone style cord adapter. Would be interesting to check the voltage at the other plug using an extension and your killawatt or similar.
One thing with the kilowatt meter is that it’s only good to 1800 watts which is fine with these but a different meter helps with more accurate readings.
@@johnnysweekends yes, I would still use your inline setup you have for the 30a plug, the Killawatt would give you another volt meter (on a separate plug) to see how much loss you are getting across the adapter. Could also stick some multimeter leads into the socket. If I still had my yellow 15 to 30 adapter, I'd try it out, but it went into the trash when the pins pulled out! I've killed 2 killawatts when overloading my gen over the years as well, it wasn't the overload so much as the spike due to the inverter shutting down, which kills the 200mA fuse running the internals and display. I assume the inverter must shunt to ground to protect itself, and since the waveform isn't sinusoidal any longer, it drains the capacitors inside the unit and pops the fuse.They still pass power, but the display is dead.
If used I would try to bargain for any more off . Start at $800 and see what happens but honestly for two I’m good shape with a parallel setup for $1k. It’s not a bad deal at all. They are still great gens and are light sleek and are the quietest over all…👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends with the cheap tool they provide you mean ? Lol cuz if you're using a true spark plug socket that have rubber boots that get a grip on the plug it should be able to come out through that rubber boot hole, but I haven't had to try so not sure.
So the hole covered by the rubber plug is so you can use a extension and a real spark plug socket with rubber grip plug inside or the tool they provide. But I don’t know about you but my fingers are not super skinny and long enough to reach into the hole, pull the spark plug boot up and off and then reinstall it after my fingers are only standard size and not 8 inches long 😅 Hence that’s why the side panel must come off. Although I do have a really long set of right angle needle nose pliers I could probably g get in there and then blindly take off the boot. But by the time I mess with all that I could have the panel off and on by then. If you watch the video when the side panel is off for the Yamaha or watch the oil change on the Aipower 2000 watt you’ll see it’s pretty much a must. Thoughts…?
You said the Yamaha is quieter and the decibel reading said it's quieter. My question is did it sound like real world ut was quieter or are we just going off the decibel numbers?
Yes it’s really the only model that is quieter than the Honda but only in the lower rpm ranges. Once mid range and up then they equal out and then the Yamaha sounds louder
Well both of these units are 1600/ 1.6kw gens. So for these I think with the on and off load you would be close. A 1800watt unit I bet you would be fine but I would jump to maybe a 2500 starting watts with about 2200 running so your not always running the gen near peak. Price difference is minimal now for the jump in power
Your not going to go wrong with either, ive owned them both Nd theyre both awesome. The onky thing is with the yamahaa the choke lever broke so than i had to toggle it with channel locks and one time i went to change the oil on the yamahaa and somehow the oilpan filled up half way with gas even tho everything was sealed up. That was strange. Not sure what was going on internally with that or if some idiot was messing with it and couldnt start it and thinking it was out of gas thought that was the gas tank and tried filling it up? Who knows.
Sure but it doesn’t allow you to drain it while it’s running. It just shuts the fuel and generator off. But if you just cut it short you can have the fuel shut off and the gen still running to run the fuel out
Hello, I bought an EF2000 a few months ago for my DJ/outdoor movie business and was disappointed. The power conditioner in my equipment (Furman M-8DX) showed voltage fluctuations rapidly going up and down between 121 and 131 volts. I called the dealer and was told this was "acceptable" because it was in the 3% range. I have 3 other Yamaha inverters (EF2800, EF3000, EF6300 and a Honda EU3000 Handi all of which produce a stable 120-121 volts all day long. I owned several other Honda EU200/2200's and the big EU3000 over the years and always had stable voltage. The EF2000 was the only generator that did this. Rather than fight back and forth with the dealer and Yamaha, I made the executive decision to sell it on the Marketplace for 95% of what I paid for it. It's a shame because I really wanted to like it and felt it was a better "value" than the similar Honda.
Yea I honestly was a little disappointed as well. I expected more out of it… and unfortunately I was left with wanting more. Honda is hard to beat but the price tag is harsh. Maybe two small gens would be better of a different maker. But those other units you have should be fine or did you just want something easy to carry around for easy gigs??
@@johnnysweekends Yes. I wanted a 1-hand "grab and go" generator for smaller events where I don;t need a screen with a blower and thought the EF2000 would be ideal, Theoretically, it is. Did 1 event, noticed the voltage issue and sold it. Had 4 hours on it.
That kind of voltage range shouldn't affect your equipment. All professional equipment is hi-pot tested to 140V. The problem is probably because it's a new generator, give it a 50 hours to break in and you'll be fine. You can also minimize the fluctuations by putting on a heavier load.
@@COSMACELF1802 I appreciate the advice, but with all due respect, I can't wait 50 hours to see if things get better and risk damaging my A-V equipment. It should work perfectly right out of the box. I've never seen this much fluctuation with any other inverter... and I've owned several. There was a pretty good load on there probably in the neighborhood of 10 amps. (1/2 hp blower is 6 amps alone plus there's a projector, sound system, Blu-Ray, mixer and mic) I wanted to like this generator more than the Honda but needless to say, I was disappointed.
Yamaha vs Ai Power. I noticed that the Yamaha in this video does not have cooling fins on the valve cover. The blue Ai Power which has the Yamaha engine has cooling fins. Don't know what this means just pointing out differences since people take interest in comparing them. Maybe the new Yamaha 2200 has the cooling fins? Edit: Found a video of the 2200. No cooling fins
I did do a test on both Aipower units the red and blue…. The red being a clone Yamaha engine from senci and the blue being the exact same engine but with a Yamaha stamp. Everything else pretty much was the same in the tests. So blue or red will definitely loose to the Yamaha in most ways except price. The Yamaha is really quiet 🤫
So both Aipower units run a 80cc engine the red one and the blue one that says powered by Yamaha. The blue Aipower has a genuine Yamaha engine but the red has a clone but look identical and only way to tell if it’s really the same it to tear it done and check internally for parts and numbers. The Yamaha ef2000v2 has the same Yamaha powered engine but you get the real muffler and better electronics/ inverter module which runs better then both the others. Someone wanted me to do a test on the red Aipower and the actual Yamaha as they are a good price difference.
Both run 60hrz and most of these I only see them drop from 60 to 59.9 but only at full hard load for maybe a second or so. A oscilloscope would tell us more. But for the most part I don’t hear much of these newer inverter generators damaging items at all. Seems to be vary rare. And most people never think twice. Now sure if your running a lot of high dollar items I would want to make sure a cheaper gen is not going to fry it. But if you are running high dollar equipment more then likely your going to buy a quality generator. Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Inverters control frequency digitally, and won't change when load is high. Power delivered will drop when load is high, until the circuitry decides to stop delivering power to outlets. So Hz will be fine, but voltage (and watts) will sag some.
Yes!! I have noticed almost all this stuff puts out a sine wave that’s fine. Rarely do I ever see it dirty. I doing even bother to check now. It’s the voltage drop it what I’m curious about.
well to really feel safe and be ready u need the big 3.. i have a westing house 12k watt generator duel fuel... propane only i use. just incase shit hits the fan with the world. 2... i have the echo flow delta max with solar panels to run every thing in the rv 3600 watts i keep the solar panels conected to keep the power topped off.. 3.. i use my yamaha duel fuel 2200w to charge the echoflow when there is no sun so solar is useless at this point. so when i boondock with this set up im in the middle of nowhere for 3 months with no issues ever ..never. every blue moon i might go do a pro pane run thats it. u need solar for sure to keep everything topped off propane is the back up. i was in the arizona desert... this set up ran my AC every day for 2 months strait mainly off the solar panels.
The Yamaha model is still sold. The following is a list of pros and cons of both generators. The Yamaha rated surge capability is for 30 seconds the Honda is for 30 minutes. Another video purports to demonstrate the Honda reaching 2,267 watts on overload. He did not test the Yamaha. ruclips.net/video/txcY1ZirNHY/видео.html Overloading these generators and exceeding their surge capabilities will cause the sine wave to distort causing the power output to become extremely dirty. This also may cause the inverter to overheat and possible damage could occur to the unit and the powered device. A key difference in the two generators is service and parts. Honda’s service centers are ubiquitous while Yamaha is not as prevalent. There are also a plethora of videos on RUclips showing how to repair the Honda’s. The aftermarket accessories for the Honda are commonplace. There are videos on RUclips showing the Honda EU2000i powering a 15000 btu RV a.c., whether these videos are accurate is unknown. Touted by Yamaha when first introduced was the placement of controls being in the side of the unit. Owners began to realize this was not the optimum location since while transporting the units the placement was more prone to damage to the controls. Yamaha must have listened the newer model YAMAHA EF2200IS has the controls on the end, but it still uses the 79cc engine. This Yamaha can be found for about $120 less than the Honda. My apologies if I repeated any of the information in your video and thank you for your time and effort in the production of this video.
honda spinge forte. 120 110 volt fino al massimo mentre yamaha 85V? Assurdo. Io tengo il mio PRAMAC PMI2000 che mi fa partire il compressore in garage :D
I try to see where stuff dies… People abuse stuff so might as well see what some average people will do. Obviously you should read the instructions and know proper load amounts. But when testing, let’s just see what they will do until death if need be…😂
I no longer have that unit. But it won’t do it. The Honda will barely. If it’s not super hot it will but it’s also maxed when hot and that’s not a good way to use a generator. You’ll burn up the inverter board maybe. Even in high temps the 2200i is almost maxed. 105 degrees out and it doesn’t like it. Lol
Well I can run my 15k ac unit but heat robs horse power and to run a honda 2200i generator at 105 -110 degrees it’s only at 15.5 amps. Cool temps it may only use 13.5 amps in high heat could be right about 14.5 amps. That’s a sure way to burn a gen down by running them at max all the time. That’s why you need a bigger unit. Almost every gen has a rating for temp. 104F before decreasing performance.
The sound tests aren't really very accurate because at least your Honda is well used by the look of it. And having owned about 10 Hondas over the years I can tell you that over time they get louder and louder. You need a new Honda to accurately measure the sound as manufactured.
Is you watch several of my other sound test videos you’ll see minimal difference in a newer or older unit. They only get Really loud if abused and missing stuff. But the difference between new and used is about 1-2 db at most.
@@johnnysweekends I wholeheartedly disagree. I've been running Honda EU 2000 and EU 2200 since 2005. First on my camping rig and for the past 12 years on my off-grid home. I think I've gone through seven or eight overtime. They get used not abused but they don't sit around waiting for a camping trip once or twice a year. The volume starts going up after break in and the difference between a new unit and a used unit is significant after about a year. It's an obvious difference. But it's related to the hours used not how long you've owned it. To say it must be abuse is an ignorant assumption. It's simply hours used. So if you're going to make a sound comparison then both brand of machines need to have similar hours of use to make a fair comparison.
I don’t like that video either..😂 But as a creator you kinda try different stuff to see what works and what doesn’t. It’s not the camera that’s moving either it’s the white fold table that bounces..😕 Hence I replaced it with something stronger. So ya know , what the heck 🤷♂️🤣
too bad you are talking so fast i could hardly understand the numbers comparison .Why do you feel you have to rush thru the video ? Slow down take your time, so i can understand you.
I will consider this for future videos. The main reason unfortunately is most people’s attention span has seriously decreased according to scientific studies mainly due to social media and short videos. People want the information and peak info sooner rather then later and if the video or content is not paced enough people will barely make it thru a 3rd of the video. Hence the faster pace thanks to all these Tiktok and Instagram stories videos, it just has made people want information in a shorter amount of time. Thanks again for the comment. 🙏🏼
@@johnnysweekends i understand but these type of videos where numbers and mechanical comparison may not apply to ppl attention span. You really have to pay attention to the info the creator is relaying.
@@johnnysweekends i dont want to be to critical i just felt you were rushing thru the whole video and your speech was like you had quite a bit of coffee.
😅 well your right about the coffee lol. Yea it’s a challenge as a creator to meet a certain criteria for the viewers, the RUclips algorithm and using the constructive criticism we get and see which is most important so unfortunately all creators will be criticized no matter what. We just have to take the best constructive type and utilize it accordingly. If the video is to long and slow people don’t watch which makes the view duration go way down and RUclips will not promote it which then less people see. Even if you are kinda looking for it. So you try to find the right balance to make sure it’s seen, and people get something out of it that’s helpful to them in making a decision. Which sometimes is challenging even for seasoned creators as we all try to change things a little to make sure it’s balanced. So criticize away. One thing I have learned is my full time job is definitely easier and pays way better😂😂😂 But I needed a hobbie and have always liked testing things and building things so I’ll continue doing this as long as it’s fun...🙂👍🏼
For me, the quieter and more fuel efficient Yamaha is the better choice. For many things the lower voltage under extreme conditions won't hurt. For sensitive electronics, I would be powering them with a solar generator. This is a good video in that I am in the market for a generator and this really brought the Yamaha to light as perhaps the best choice.
Hey - I was briefly associated way back with the original strategy team behind the Yamaha model you tested. This was done consciously and in fact its stated in the manual. ONE: this is meant for residential loads. TWO: most of the times it'll be used for electronics and standard devices THREE: 90% of all such residential devices like refrigerators, microwave, coffee machines have built-in power stabilizers. FOUR: motor stall / compressor stall will not happen.
With these factors the strategy was to ALLOW as long as feasible running with heavy loads. I'd venture to say Yamaha can run at least 40% more load than Honda and longer. It'll cut off if voltage drops below 85. However, something you did not do and if you did would have been shocked. Even at voltages less than 105 you'll find its harmonics, frequency to be still at what it is if voltage was 124V. In other words the THD is still maintained at +/- 5% to 7% even under such extreme conditions.
There's absolutely no other generator in the market today capable of doing this, at least sustaining this.
In Japan there's actually a setting available and probably there in US versions too, except its not advertised. There's a jumper setting which when enabled ensures generator cuts-off at anything belong 109 V. This was done as there was few cases related to medical equipment which required extreme management of over/under voltage over everything else.
right and I was guy developed Yamaha Corolla engine and ford sho. Right right
I've been running the Ef200iS since 2013 every summer on my boat. It runs the AC, microwave, electric stove, and battery charger just fine - but I cannot run the AC and a high-demand appliance (stove, microwave) concurrently. Since it has a 12V powered refrigerator, that means it is always running the fridge as well when the battery charger is on. Never had an issue with it other than when the oil gets low in the middle of the night and I have to clamor about to fill it. This is a non-V2 model, and I don't have the handy little door on the side. It also runs almost everything on our RV as well - and will barely start one of the roof AC units if I turn everything else off first. Add to this a few times I've used it in the field to run power tools, and I'd have to admit it is the best portable generator I've ever owned - and I've had more than 5, including an older Honda.
Fast is good
If you talk faster than I can listen it’s an easy process to listen again and again and again and again......
thank you for making this video fast
Fast is good
Lol thank you. Yea hard to find the right balance, but I guess people’s brains will just adapt to the fast verbal content and before they know it have no problem following along.
20 minute video in 10 mins lol.
Wow, that voltage sag on the Yamaha is really something. I've been "generator obsessed" since we purchased our travel trailer a few weeks ago, and I'll be doing some testing of the Honda EU2000i vs the Wen 56235i and then paralleling those to compare the pair of them against the Wen 56380i.
I'm not a Honda fanboy, but there's no denying that they know how to build inverter generators. I have two of them, along with a small Generac and Predator 2000. Those two don't come close to the Honda's in terms of overall quality/performance.
They truly are great gens and Yamaha is still a good one as well but now I’m still wondering why these are allowed to drop so low in voltages???
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 😃👍🏼
Lol yea I really expected a little more out of it. It has the motor but with out the good inverter board might as well still buy a Aipower model and save a bunch of money.
@@johnnysweekends That MZ80 motor is built in China as well, so you're right...wait for Costco's next sale.
I know and Honda is heading that way to. More and more of Honda’s are starting to be built there. Will see when it flips to majority of them are built there. I think it’s only 20-30 percent maybe.... and the rest in a few other areas
Yea if not Honda or the other type of Yamahas like the 2400 or 3000 then might as well save your money. Only problem is that they are heavy.
Well most everything is made in China but as long as they still keep the Honda tough with longevity and durability built in it it'll still be good. And with the 2200 watt Honda with a 121cc engine producing 18.3 amps starting Max it's above most of the inverter portable generators out there. except for the Cummins Onan 2500 Watt for right now. But the Cummins Onan 2500 watt portable inverter generator no one knows if it'll with stand the test of time for longevity and durability it's not been out long enough to prove itself yet. I was going to buy the Cummins Onan 2500 portable inverter generator but I wasn't sure if it would last being it's a Chinese 98cc engine more amps than the Honda 2200 watt. So I just chose the tried and proven Honda 2200 watt inverter generator for now. If I just used an inverter generator sometimes I would go with one of the cheap Chinese 80cc models. But when you want to run RV rooftop air conditioners or more and off grid the Honda 2200 watt should hold up for me I hope. I had a 80cc cheap Chinese inverter generators and I burned up the inverter board. It didn't last 6 months being used every day off grid. luckily they exchanged it for me with a new generator. but after thinking things over I want to sell it I would rather had my money back and not lose a dime but it's too late. If I was just using a generator on the weekends or for camping or sometimes here and there I would go with the cheap chinese generator 80cc engine.
Thanks Johnny for the video; very interesting. As an engineer that has designed mission critical power supplies over the years, I would rate both generators as failures, however, Yamaha's performance was disturbing. Since one of the common household loads are induction motors, the output voltage from the generator needs to be well regulated. These motors are designed for a voltage range of 105 to 125 VAC. If the input voltage goes lower than 105 volts, the motor "slips", which will quickly overheat it. Therefore, the minimum output voltage from these generators under worst-case conditions, should never go below 110 volts. I say 110 volts instead of 105 because, with the high currents at max load, you will experience a few volts of drop in the wiring between the generator and load.
Another problem with the way these generators are rated has to do with the Surge Rating - there is no published standard that I know of. Specifically, how long does the surge last? Generators typically have very little surge capability, whereas compressors, as used with refrigeration, have ridiculously high surge currents. For example, refrigerators usually have a peak surge current that is 10 to 20 times the Run Current that can last up to 5 seconds! Air conditions are not quite as bad at 5 to 10 times the run current. This is a current the generator must provide to guarantee a compressor start. Obviously generators like this can never supply the power required to properly start an RV A/C system but, they do barely supply just enough power to keep the compressor from stalling during the start but, you are risking damage to the generator and compressor, especially if a stall takes place, which is more likely to happen during hot weather. To improve the odds of the compressor starting, I recommend installing a capacitor start kit on the A/C unit, which typically drops the surge current by 30%.
Thanks Bill so much for the info.
At some point I will install a capacitor for the AC unit but not everyone does so it shows a little more of a true test by keeping it stock. Mainly for the generator buyers out there.
And I agree the generators should shut down by about 110 volt, which the bigger generators I test actually do shut off by about that.
And 110 volts is NEC minimum from what I remember.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
How many people on RUclips have advanced degrees. I find your statements to be fallacious.
@@TheMickeymental HI Brad, I'm not sure I understand your point but, here is where I am coming from. The degree thing doesn't matter, I am just trying to pass on things I have learned the hard way with generators in hopes I will spare someone the same bad experience. I have been designing electronics for 45 years, with most of it used where someone's life depends upon it so, I'm sensitive to the fine details, such as testing under worst-case conditions. So, I'm sorry if I made it too technical. What I was trying to convey is; consumer grade generators are spec'ed using a perfect load, such as an electric space heater, which draws exactly the same amount of power at all times. Motors are just the opposite, they require huge starting currents to get them up to speed.
Here is a scenario where the generator rating system will get you into big trouble. Let's say there is a hurricane forecast to come through your town so, you go out and buy a 900 watt generator to run your refrigerator just in case. The power consumption label on the frig says 5 amps maximum (which is 600 watts) so, everything looks good according to published ratings. You even go a step further and measure the actual power the frig pulls when it's running - only 120 watts; "piece of cake". As the hurricane comes through, it wipes out the power all along it's path and afterwards, the estimate to restore power in your area is 10 days, So, you fire your your new generator and plug it into your frig. The generator speeds up quite a bit after you plug it in but, you assume this is normal, nothing to worry about since all the ratings are within spec. 10 minute later you discover the generator is smoking, not from the engine but, the generator head so, you shut it down. As you had back into the house, you catch a wiff of an overheated motor smell as you pass by the frig. Some days later when you finally get power back on in the house, you discover your frig runs for a few minutes, then trips out every 5 minutes. Calling a repair man out to service the frig, he finds the compressor is bad. Later a detailed search for the failure proved that the frig tries to pull 20 amps (2,400 watts) the moment it tries to start. The generator only puts out 700 watts continuous, the 900 watt rating is actually a maximum surge rating (all portable generators are rating by Surge Watts, the continuous rating is usually 25% less). So, when the generator was connected to the frig, there wasn't power available but, the generator kept trying, putting only 60 volts. The frig compressor didn't have enough power so, it stayed in a stalled condition, dumping 500 watts of heat into its windings, as well as the generator's windings. This scenario is based upon a Harbor Freight 2 stroke generator, a higher quality Inverter Generator would probably cut off the output before damage occured.
@@billharris6886 Many people on the internet vastly overstate their education and accomplishments. There is not any possible way to support their conjectures. They use these claims to give more credence to their opinion, but more often than not the writings give them away. And your writing was not too technical.
The hurricane scenario is not a generator problem, but a sizing problem and a misunderstanding by the consumer regarding basic electricity. And yes manufactures fudge the numbers.
One issue I have with your statement is "mission critical.'" These referenced machines are not purchased for milspec, they are purchased by the consumer for short term situations. Although I have heard of people using them as a main source.
I have seen several RUclips videos in which the Honda was placed upon an oscilloscope and tested and stayed within spec even while surging. Was the test valid? It seemed to be, but this is RUclips.
The Yamaha states it will surge for 30 seconds while Honda claims 30 minutes. The key factor is the size of the engine. Several sites have individuals who claim to have 15.000 hours on the Honde EU2000i, but this is purely anecdotal evidence.
Thanks for your reply.
@Brad Davies ..i think that were not giving any engineering logical & relavence arguments towards the discussed issues except misleading and sarcasm comments just to ignore other person goodness of sharing concerns. Please do not debating something you not even know, just nothing, specifically the ac thechnicals, compressor peak current start senario & etc, how that things will smoke them off, don't care how good the generator engine is.. the inverter total peak power can't hold enough such loads.. yes he is absolutely correct the power rating flaw. The other knowledgeable guy than yours was clearly telling the right things, thanks @Bill Harris and he mind to share out his thought that benefit others, critical for those who are well understood electrical motor principles. Go and check it out bro.. google text book..
I have the Yamaha model and it's been pretty great. I only got it for power outages (I live on a small island with a fragile electrical grid and we get hit by tropical storms, hurricanes, etc) to run 2 energy-efficient light bulbs, 2 floor fans, two laptops. The last time we lost power, for some reason the cable line was still working and I turned the tv on and we had entertainment! I always download vids to watch in these situations, so old SNL was the ticket. That setup lasted at least 12 hours on one tank. I have not tried to run the refrigerator on it yet. If we lose power for too long, then I'll have to test that out for sure. The manual says not to operate it in snow or rain, but I've started it and ran it in a tropical storm with lots of rain. I also have not grounded it. I probably should look into getting that done. The unit is on my roof patio. It really is the only place for it. I tried my ground patio, which is walled in with a 10-foot wall. The exhaust fumes seemed too much, so the roof patio seemed safer. Oh, I run a single 110 industrial cable from the unit on the roof down a wall to the ground patio area and into a window. From there I have a splitter running maybe two or three extension cords. I should also look into the power fluctuation issues your review discusses, especially for electronics. I need to learn/practice maintenance on it. Hope that helps!
It’s still a good gen but I expected a little more out of it. But when used at rated it’s just fine and a good gen.
You probably get good power because it is coming down hill from the roof and not fighting gravity so plenty of power for you. 😅
This is but one video on the net about generators and what they can and can't do so my advice will not be seen by 99.999% of people out there. Fridges test there ability but I would say to anybody who is on the one hand concerned that there fridge won't start and on the other that they can't afford a bigger generator, an easy fix is to purchase a 50-70 litre portable/mobile fridge - Weaco, Engel, etc but there are plenty of cheap Chinese models that won't empty your pocket. They will work on even small generators and can keep your most important perishables in tact during an emergency power outage.
Good enough video John but my tip would be slow down, take a breath, speak slower, relate which item/device/unit you are referring to before giving out numbers, remind me regularly what you are testing for and why. 👍
In this video, was there a "load" in the microwave? Don't know but I do know they shouldn't be run while empty. Even a glass of water will suffice.
My new videos are much different from my old. Finding a balance and learning the game is part of it..👍🏼
Mirando el video desde Uruguay!!excelente!
What does everyone think about these two?? Really hoping for more out of the Yamaha but still a good gen.
Great video! Awesome job Johnny!
Thank you…😀👍🏼
I have two of the yamaha generators...the original version, not the V2....nothing but praise. I like linking them together. I think mine was made in Japan. Does it say where it's made on a label?
Those of you with that Yamaha, better check if yours has the recall on it. they were catching fire. No joke. It'll depend on serial number.
Nice to know, do you know why?
@@johnnysweekends no idea..
It's funny this video showed up in my list but last week I was without power at my apartment thanks to a tree branch, sort of. That & the power co wouldn't hook a new line until the meter box was replaced. Anyway for a few days I rented a gen from home depot. It was the Honda version. So while I was home I used it to run the freezer & keep my aquarium going. It also powered my washer & pc a few times. It went through some fuel yeah & wasn't super loud but wouldn't say quiet either. Still, it worked. It has an economy mode which might be ok for just a bunch of lights.
The economy mode works to throttle the engine up and down as power as needed.
I’d say running a compressor that turns on and off eco should be off so the generator has plenty of power and doesn’t get dragged down by the starting amps of the item. But on eco with the lower idle the generator will be quieter and burn a lot less fuel..👍🏼
Glad you stopped by 👍🏼😀
I only buy Generac products .. I like all of my Generators to be bright orange color .. and they have got me through long outages.
... great video, Thanks!
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
First, not every single thing made in China is crap, despite what politically driven sorts would have people believe. Chinese lower labor costs is what drives most of it, many items being built to a price for people wanting to spend less. Just like tools and other consumer items, we have choices, buy cheaper and hope they fill the need and last or buy higher priced, higher quality items and expect that they more than cover the need. It's everyone's choice. I had a Honda eu1000 generator for a number of years used for light camping and supplying some lighting around the house during outages. It was a sweetheart, ran like a top and very quiet but wattage limited. Sold it to a friend and bought a Kipor 3000 watt inverter generator (Chinese). Kipor is a large company but even though I saved some shekels over a Honda model it just doesn't have the quality feel that the Honda had. It doesn't start and idle as readily or as smoothly but handles loads well. It will start and run our 15,000btu AC on our 5th wheel but just so. To do it again I think I'd save just a little longer for a Honda.
Made in china stuff is trash
They are both good generators but Yamaha models that a made in Japan are the best.
It’s a shame they are all made in China now 🤷🏼♂️
“Interesting” is not a word.
What is it?
The yamaha not shutting its self down i think must be a fluke internal electronics issue because i own the A.I Yamaha powered generator which is really the exact same generator and did very similar testing on my 18 jayco whitehawk RV and when I finally overloaded mine after being very happy with it being able to run everything minus the AC, I then brought out my lol same type radiator heater turned on medium and the generator kicked itself off at about approx 2080 watts. So I'm thinking yours might have an issues. That being said I think they both make great generators.
The Ai power with the Yamaha is actually not the same as far as electrical as the true Yamaha ef2000v2
The real Yamaha is actually much quieter and does provide more power over all. But yes In the test it should have shut down sooner but that is common when you sneak a load up and some gens.
@@johnnysweekends so have you reviewed the A.i version ? I'd think that the full on yamaha would be better quality overal.
In California My local Honda / motorsports/generator dealer has now said he has been instructed by management to not sell anymore Honda generators.maybe they are going to lower the emissions on them?then start reselling? Their salesmen haven't a clue.but I don't want to buy one that I can find somewhere else for sale on a " panic buy" with Honda pulling their own generators off the local market here.gonna wait to see if new lower emissions models or Honda just pulling out of the market permanently here
Never had a generator before and wanted to know if this would run a standard home refrigerator?
Yes. Any 2000 watt gen should be able to handle the normal home refrigerator as long as there isn’t a issue with it.
I had European fridges running without a problem on 900VA max Chinese generator. And a small freezer will work with a 1000VA.
Honda 2200 will run two freezers, or a fridge and a separate freezer easily.
Considering how old the model is on the Honda, they’re the pioneers. Their engines are built to run without oil.
Wish I could say that about the newer models.
Is that meter a custom build that you use to show voltage/watts on your generator?
Yes it’s a ac dc meter. It’s just easier then using a fluke meter or other expensive items and it shows it all at once
These days, most devices have switching power supplies that can handle just about any input voltage, so I don't see any major disadvantage for Yamaha here.
These small generators are designed to run lights and small appliances, not cement mixers! Also, heaters "don't suffer." They are just dumb resistors that don't care about the voltage or current levels.
Too much guessing in this video.
It's silly when people try to run an electrical load of a McMansion from a small generator with one cylinder engine.
And yet people do every, single, day…🤷♂️
I hear ya.
It's a test...because people _do_ use the generators for that sort of stuff.
Not calculating your power load correctly is the problem.Yes,it's amazing how many people think a little engine will power everything.
Did you check the voltage drop on your yellow Camco adapter? I found that to be a significant source of drop, it melted after a few hours of 1500w use with the generator.
No but since each used the same items it gives a general idea. But yea most those are all rated for 15 amps….. barely lol.
@@johnnysweekends thanks, mine was causing my easy start to kick out on low voltage during startup. Couldn't figure it out for a while until I bought the dogbone style cord adapter. Would be interesting to check the voltage at the other plug using an extension and your killawatt or similar.
One thing with the kilowatt meter is that it’s only good to 1800 watts which is fine with these but a different meter helps with more accurate readings.
@@johnnysweekends yes, I would still use your inline setup you have for the 30a plug, the Killawatt would give you another volt meter (on a separate plug) to see how much loss you are getting across the adapter. Could also stick some multimeter leads into the socket.
If I still had my yellow 15 to 30 adapter, I'd try it out, but it went into the trash when the pins pulled out!
I've killed 2 killawatts when overloading my gen over the years as well, it wasn't the overload so much as the spike due to the inverter shutting down, which kills the 200mA fuse running the internals and display. I assume the inverter must shunt to ground to protect itself, and since the waveform isn't sinusoidal any longer, it drains the capacitors inside the unit and pops the fuse.They still pass power, but the display is dead.
Yea I had the same thing happen. Popped the display. Oh well 😂
I have an opportunity to buy two EF2000isSV2Inverters, Includes cables and plugs, $1000. Should i pull the trigger?
If used I would try to bargain for any more off . Start at $800 and see what happens but honestly for two I’m good shape with a parallel setup for $1k. It’s not a bad deal at all. They are still great gens and are light sleek and are the quietest over all…👍🏼
Cool, but you missed the rubber spark plug acsess port on top of the yamaha.
I know it’s there just didn’t show in video. Still have to take side cover off to remove it that’s just for the tool.
@@johnnysweekends with the cheap tool they provide you mean ? Lol cuz if you're using a true spark plug socket that have rubber boots that get a grip on the plug it should be able to come out through that rubber boot hole, but I haven't had to try so not sure.
So the hole covered by the rubber plug is so you can use a extension and a real spark plug socket with rubber grip plug inside or the tool they provide.
But I don’t know about you but my fingers are not super skinny and long enough to reach into the hole, pull the spark plug boot up and off and then reinstall it after my fingers are only standard size and not 8 inches long 😅
Hence that’s why the side panel must come off.
Although I do have a really long set of right angle needle nose pliers I could probably g get in there and then blindly take off the boot.
But by the time I mess with all that I could have the panel off and on by then.
If you watch the video when the side panel is off for the Yamaha or watch the oil change on the Aipower 2000 watt you’ll see it’s pretty much a must.
Thoughts…?
@@johnnysweekends yep lol no matter what you have to remove the side cover to pull the plug. way to go yamaha 😆
You said the Yamaha is quieter and the decibel reading said it's quieter. My question is did it sound like real world ut was quieter or are we just going off the decibel numbers?
Yes it’s really the only model that is quieter than the Honda but only in the lower rpm ranges. Once mid range and up then they equal out and then the Yamaha sounds louder
@@johnnysweekends thank you
Can you put a 1500W SDS-plus power drill to a 1.8kW generator ?
Well both of these units are 1600/ 1.6kw gens.
So for these I think with the on and off load you would be close. A 1800watt unit I bet you would be fine but I would jump to maybe a 2500 starting watts with about 2200 running so your not always running the gen near peak.
Price difference is minimal now for the jump in power
I'm wondering why test the eu2200i at this date. I don't know if the eu2000i is even available. The eu2200i has been out for months.
Cuz that’s what he owned
You need to borrow a new EU2200i and test it!
Trying 😂 soon
Why lol
I have an old
7yr old one still going strong no issue
Your not going to go wrong with either, ive owned them both Nd theyre both awesome. The onky thing is with the yamahaa the choke lever broke so than i had to toggle it with channel locks and one time i went to change the oil on the yamahaa and somehow the oilpan filled up half way with gas even tho everything was sealed up. That was strange. Not sure what was going on internally with that or if some idiot was messing with it and couldnt start it and thinking it was out of gas thought that was the gas tank and tried filling it up? Who knows.
you are mistaken regarding the honda not having a fuel-shutoff. the ON/OFF knob also turns off the fuel.
Sure but it doesn’t allow you to drain it while it’s running. It just shuts the fuel and generator off. But if you just cut it short you can have the fuel shut off and the gen still running to run the fuel out
Nice review
Thank you..😀👍🏼
Yamaha Generator EF2000iS is the best ❤
Why does it matter? Neither one of these generators have been made for years. Both have been replaced by their respective 2200 w generator
Thx
Hello, I bought an EF2000 a few months ago for my DJ/outdoor movie business and was disappointed. The power conditioner in my equipment (Furman M-8DX) showed voltage fluctuations rapidly going up and down between 121 and 131 volts. I called the dealer and was told this was "acceptable" because it was in the 3% range. I have 3 other Yamaha inverters (EF2800, EF3000, EF6300 and a Honda EU3000 Handi all of which produce a stable 120-121 volts all day long. I owned several other Honda EU200/2200's and the big EU3000 over the years and always had stable voltage. The EF2000 was the only generator that did this. Rather than fight back and forth with the dealer and Yamaha, I made the executive decision to sell it on the Marketplace for 95% of what I paid for it. It's a shame because I really wanted to like it and felt it was a better "value" than the similar Honda.
Yea I honestly was a little disappointed as well. I expected more out of it… and unfortunately I was left with wanting more.
Honda is hard to beat but the price tag is harsh. Maybe two small gens would be better of a different maker. But those other units you have should be fine or did you just want something easy to carry around for easy gigs??
@@johnnysweekends Yes. I wanted a 1-hand "grab and go" generator for smaller events where I don;t need a screen with a blower and thought the EF2000 would be ideal, Theoretically, it is. Did 1 event, noticed the voltage issue and sold it. Had 4 hours on it.
Yea the Honda 2200 or even a 2500 watt unit would be good for that. Just spendy.
That kind of voltage range shouldn't affect your equipment. All professional equipment is hi-pot tested to 140V. The problem is probably because it's a new generator, give it a 50 hours to break in and you'll be fine. You can also minimize the fluctuations by putting on a heavier load.
@@COSMACELF1802 I appreciate the advice, but with all due respect, I can't wait 50 hours to see if things get better and risk damaging my A-V equipment. It should work perfectly right out of the box. I've never seen this much fluctuation with any other inverter... and I've owned several. There was a pretty good load on there probably in the neighborhood of 10 amps. (1/2 hp blower is 6 amps alone plus there's a projector, sound system, Blu-Ray, mixer and mic) I wanted to like this generator more than the Honda but needless to say, I was disappointed.
Yamaha vs Ai Power. I noticed that the Yamaha in this video does not have cooling fins on the valve cover. The blue Ai Power which has the Yamaha engine has cooling fins. Don't know what this means just pointing out differences since people take interest in comparing them. Maybe the new Yamaha 2200 has the cooling fins?
Edit: Found a video of the 2200. No cooling fins
And same 80cc engine.
I would never run electronics off a generator without a full battery inverter between them.
Honda quality vs price or roll the dice and hope its nice
lol nice..😂👍🏼
Interesting comparison. Thanks Johnny.
Your welcome Bill thanks for the continued support🙏🏼👍🏼🙂
You should do a head to head of the Yamaha ef2000is and the Yamaha powered sc2000i if you feel up to it :)
I did do a test on both Aipower units the red and blue…. The red being a clone Yamaha engine from senci and the blue being the exact same engine but with a Yamaha stamp. Everything else pretty much was the same in the tests.
So blue or red will definitely loose to the Yamaha in most ways except price. The Yamaha is really quiet 🤫
@@johnnysweekends so are you thinking the Yamaha version is still a senci built motor just with a Yamaha stamp
So both Aipower units run a 80cc engine the red one and the blue one that says powered by Yamaha. The blue Aipower has a genuine Yamaha engine but the red has a clone but look identical and only way to tell if it’s really the same it to tear it done and check internally for parts and numbers.
The Yamaha ef2000v2 has the same Yamaha powered engine but you get the real muffler and better electronics/ inverter module which runs better then both the others.
Someone wanted me to do a test on the red Aipower and the actual Yamaha as they are a good price difference.
@@johnnysweekends ok excellent. I saw in your video the blue ai power also has the Yamaha stamped muffler and better carb as well 👍🏻
Yes it does but it didn’t help for some reason I was surprised on that one.
"I feel bad for it" lol.
😂👍🏼
I’d be more interested in hertz than watts.
Both run 60hrz and most of these I only see them drop from 60 to 59.9 but only at full hard load for maybe a second or so.
A oscilloscope would tell us more. But for the most part I don’t hear much of these newer inverter generators damaging items at all. Seems to be vary rare. And most people never think twice.
Now sure if your running a lot of high dollar items I would want to make sure a cheaper gen is not going to fry it. But if you are running high dollar equipment more then likely your going to buy a quality generator.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Inverters control frequency digitally, and won't change when load is high. Power delivered will drop when load is high, until the circuitry decides to stop delivering power to outlets. So Hz will be fine, but voltage (and watts) will sag some.
Yes!! I have noticed almost all this stuff puts out a sine wave that’s fine. Rarely do I ever see it dirty. I doing even bother to check now. It’s the voltage drop it what I’m curious about.
i have never seen anyone ground units even testing
The Yamaha plug can be changed through the top rubber grommet . My Yamaha shut of with no issues.
well to really feel safe and be ready
u need the big 3..
i have a westing house 12k watt generator duel fuel...
propane only i use.
just incase shit hits the fan with the world.
2... i have the echo flow delta max with solar panels to run every thing in the rv 3600 watts i keep the solar panels
conected to keep the power topped off..
3.. i use my yamaha duel fuel 2200w to charge the echoflow when there is no sun so solar is useless at this point.
so when i boondock with this set up im in the middle of nowhere for 3 months with no issues ever ..never.
every blue moon
i might go do a pro pane run thats it.
u need solar for sure to keep everything topped off propane is the back up.
i was in the arizona desert... this set up ran my AC every day for 2 months strait mainly off the solar panels.
I use a ECOFLOW as well when camping. They are great for that. Lots of power in a little unit.
The Yamaha model is still sold. The following is a list of pros and cons of both generators.
The Yamaha rated surge capability is for 30 seconds the Honda is for 30 minutes. Another video purports to demonstrate the Honda reaching 2,267 watts on overload. He did not test the Yamaha.
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Overloading these generators and exceeding their surge capabilities will cause the sine wave to distort causing the power output to become extremely dirty. This also may cause the inverter to overheat and possible damage could occur to the unit and the powered device.
A key difference in the two generators is service and parts. Honda’s service centers are ubiquitous while Yamaha is not as prevalent. There are also a plethora of videos on RUclips showing how to repair the Honda’s. The aftermarket accessories for the Honda are commonplace.
There are videos on RUclips showing the Honda EU2000i powering a 15000 btu RV a.c., whether these videos are accurate is unknown.
Touted by Yamaha when first introduced was the placement of controls being in the side of the unit. Owners began to realize this was not the optimum location since while transporting the units the placement was more prone to damage to the controls. Yamaha must have listened the newer model YAMAHA EF2200IS has the controls on the end, but it still uses the 79cc engine. This Yamaha can be found for about $120 less than the Honda.
My apologies if I repeated any of the information in your video and thank you for your time and effort in the production of this video.
I'm pretty new to electric. Was this Honda insane?
13a at 1300 and 18a at 2000, isn't that close to a 40% over rating and it's running it no problem?
Yea the Hondas are pretty good at putting out peak voltage. But they should shut off when voltage drops to much
Does anyone on the planet know the difference/s between the EF2000is and the EF2000isV2 ?
honda spinge forte. 120 110 volt fino al massimo mentre yamaha 85V? Assurdo. Io tengo il mio PRAMAC PMI2000 che mi fa partire il compressore in garage :D
Honda or Yamaha?
Honda for sure on this.
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Kg, L, mm, cm???
16:33 rpm bouncing like that almost looks like you are destroying the Yamaha generator
I try to see where stuff dies…
People abuse stuff so might as well see what some average people will do.
Obviously you should read the instructions and know proper load amounts.
But when testing, let’s just see what they will do until death if need be…😂
@@johnnysweekends can you try power the air-conditioner in the RV through the Yamaha generator
I no longer have that unit. But it won’t do it. The Honda will barely. If it’s not super hot it will but it’s also maxed when hot and that’s not a good way to use a generator. You’ll burn up the inverter board maybe.
Even in high temps the 2200i is almost maxed. 105 degrees out and it doesn’t like it. Lol
Really?
Well I can run my 15k ac unit but heat robs horse power and to run a honda 2200i generator at 105 -110 degrees it’s only at 15.5 amps. Cool temps it may only use 13.5 amps in high heat could be right about 14.5 amps. That’s a sure way to burn a gen down by running them at max all the time. That’s why you need a bigger unit.
Almost every gen has a rating for temp. 104F before decreasing performance.
Keep in mind that 3db = X2
True but human perspective is about 7db till we truly notice a significant difference
What I want to know is did you hit the lotto. Lol.
I wish…. But can still try…😀👍🏼
The sound tests aren't really very accurate because at least your Honda is well used by the look of it. And having owned about 10 Hondas over the years I can tell you that over time they get louder and louder. You need a new Honda to accurately measure the sound as manufactured.
Is you watch several of my other sound test videos you’ll see minimal difference in a newer or older unit. They only get Really loud if abused and missing stuff. But the difference between new and used is about 1-2 db at most.
@@johnnysweekends I wholeheartedly disagree. I've been running Honda EU 2000 and EU 2200 since 2005. First on my camping rig and for the past 12 years on my off-grid home. I think I've gone through seven or eight overtime. They get used not abused but they don't sit around waiting for a camping trip once or twice a year. The volume starts going up after break in and the difference between a new unit and a used unit is significant after about a year. It's an obvious difference. But it's related to the hours used not how long you've owned it. To say it must be abuse is an ignorant assumption. It's simply hours used.
So if you're going to make a sound comparison then both brand of machines need to have similar hours of use to make a fair comparison.
Would you say comparing a Honda eu2000i with 600 or so hours is a good comparison against a new eu2200i to see the sound difference?
Since they do use the same muffler and all.
Try the Honda eu2200i inverter. Bluetooth, carbon monoxide sensor, and covered outlets
Check out the new videos I have on it plus vs generac 2200…👍🏼😀
to many go aheads said in this vid.. wow. I had to stop it 2 mins in.
Ehhh it was one of my earlier videos so.
Maybe I should go ahead and fix it …🫣😂👍🏼
anything under 3500 running watts are useless
Your hand movements were so jittery and annoying I didn’t even watch your whole video. Come on man.
I don’t like that video either..😂
But as a creator you kinda try different stuff to see what works and what doesn’t. It’s not the camera that’s moving either it’s the white fold table that bounces..😕
Hence I replaced it with something stronger.
So ya know , what the heck 🤷♂️🤣
@@johnnysweekends it’s all good man , just throwing out some constructive criticism.
Always good to have feed back. Thanks again for watching 👍🏼 even though it sucked….🤣🤣🤣🤣
too bad you are talking so fast i could hardly understand the numbers comparison .Why do you feel you have to rush thru the video ? Slow down take your time, so i can understand you.
I will consider this for future videos.
The main reason unfortunately is most people’s attention span has seriously decreased according to scientific studies mainly due to social media and short videos. People want the information and peak info sooner rather then later and if the video or content is not paced enough people will barely make it thru a 3rd of the video. Hence the faster pace thanks to all these Tiktok and Instagram stories videos, it just has made people want information in a shorter amount of time.
Thanks again for the comment. 🙏🏼
@@johnnysweekends i understand but these type of videos where numbers and mechanical comparison may not apply to ppl attention span. You really have to pay attention to the info the creator is relaying.
Which part in particular do you feel really needed to slow down? The closing or?
@@johnnysweekends i dont want to be to critical i just felt you were rushing thru the whole video and your speech was like you had quite a bit of coffee.
😅 well your right about the coffee lol.
Yea it’s a challenge as a creator to meet a certain criteria for the viewers, the RUclips algorithm and using the constructive criticism we get and see which is most important so unfortunately all creators will be criticized no matter what. We just have to take the best constructive type and utilize it accordingly. If the video is to long and slow people don’t watch which makes the view duration go way down and RUclips will not promote it which then less people see. Even if you are kinda looking for it.
So you try to find the right balance to make sure it’s seen, and people get something out of it that’s helpful to them in making a decision. Which sometimes is challenging even for seasoned creators as we all try to change things a little to make sure it’s balanced. So criticize away.
One thing I have learned is my full time job is definitely easier and pays way better😂😂😂
But I needed a hobbie and have always liked testing things and building things so I’ll continue doing this as long as it’s fun...🙂👍🏼