Helicopter Photo Flight: 737 MAX Airplanes at Moses Lake
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- Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2019
- SIT ON THE NOSE OF MY HELICOPTER as I take a professional photographer over Grant County Airport in Moses Lake, WA to shoot photos of Boeing 737 MAX airplanes parked there. There are over 100 planes, parked in three big areas, and this video gives you a good view of all of them.
The video starts with a cockpit POV radio call requesting permission from the tower to make the flight. We'd taken off at sunrise from Wenatchee, so it was still early when we arrived and there was no other aircraft traffic. The tower told us to "proceed as requested," giving us free-rein to conduct the flight as needed. The view then switches to an unobstructed forward view from the helicopter's nose. The photographer was sitting behind me so we both had the same view; that made it easy for me to get into position for his shots. Iit also meant that the best shots were off the right side of the aircraft and not the nose where my camera was. Still, I think you'll agree that I got some good footage of a lot of parked planes.
A few more notes about this video:
You can find the photos David Ryder took that morning here: www.gettyimages.com/search/ph... His photos are AMAZING and I highly recommend taking a look.
David also flew with me back in 2016 to shooting aerial news photos of the aftermath of the Sleepy Hollow Fire that destroyed 25 homes in a Wenatchee subdivision.
The big runway at Grand County Airport is 13,502 feet long and 200 feet wide. This is big enough for 747 airplanes to land.
(When I did an air-to-air photo flight with the Global SuperTanker some years ago, this is where the crew landed to refuel between passes. You can learn all about that flight and see video of the inside of the Global SuperTanker here: www.aneclecticmind.com/2016/0...)
You can learn more about the retired Qantas 747 at Moses Lake here: www.sfgate.com/travel/article...
About Me and the Helicopter
- I have been flying since 1998. My nearly 4,000 hours of flight time is in Robinson R44, Robinson R22, and Bell 206L (Long Ranger) helicopters.
- My helicopter is a 2005 Robinson R44 Raven II - the same one that appears in the photo near the beginning of the video. You can learn more about R44s here: robinsonheli.com/r44-specific... This is the third helicopter I've owned since 2000.
- My helicopter has ADS-B Out and is picked up by radar facilities. You can see my track for recent flights on Flightradar24: www.flightradar24.com/data/ai... This is a great site for tracking any almost any flight, including the airlines.
About the Video
- The video was recorded with a GoPro Hero 7 camera (amzn.to/2Lxyzwl) mounted on the nose of the helicopter. Audio, which includes wind, engine, and rotor noise, comes from the camera's built-in speaker and has been incorporated into this video at 25% normal volume.
- The brief cockpit footage at the beginning and end of the video was recorded with another GoPro Hero 7 camera (amzn.to/2Lxyzwl) mounted on the bar between the two front seats using a MyPilotPro (mypilotpro.com/shop/?wpam_id=13) Helicopter Mount (mypilotpro.com/product/helico...) with a few customized RAM mount components. Audio in these clips comes from the helicopter's intercom system, which was connected to the camera with an NFlightCam audio cable (amzn.to/31syLTm)
- Narration was done using a Røde Podcaster microphone (amzn.to/2IFnbNr) connected to a Macintosh.
- The video was edited on a Macintosh using Screenflow software. Learn more about it here: www.telestream.net/screenflow...
- The intro music is by Bob Levitus, famed "Dr. Mac." You can find him here: www.boblevitus.com/
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I lived in Moses Lake as a kid when I first immigrated to the US back in the 70s. So neat to see familiar buildings and scenery. When I was there, Boeing was working the SST project there. It was also a JAL training facility and the entire 5th grade class got a 1 hr flight in a JAL 747. You can't beat that! Thanks for the video!
I am from KMWH, Moses Lake. You were correct there were right around 100 737 Max airplanes there when you did your fly over. These are airplanes that are awaiting “the fix” so that they can be delivered to the customers. I believe they are coming over from Boeing on a one time ferry permit. Boeing is actually temp hiring a lot of people to try and keep these planes “active” when they do the worst thing possible, sitting on the ground.
The 747 is now owned by Rolls-Royce and is going to be modified and maintained by AeroTEC to be able to test new engines.They say it will take about two years for, “AeroTEC engineers and technicians will convert the 747-400 from a commercial aircraft with 364 passenger seats to a state-of-the-art flying testbed equipped with extensive instrumentation and systems to take sophisticated measurements of engine performance in flight.”
That was a great flight and I’m sure the photographer got some great shots, I’ll have to check out the link. I even saw where I work as you first flew in, our company is just outside the NNE end of the airport. The airport has facilities for Boeing, AeroTEC, Mitsubishi Aircraft, and Greenpoint Technologies, all of whom do modifications and flight testing at KMWH. The Port of Moses Lake and AeroTEC, and the Aerospace Futures Alliance have teamed up for the purpose of establishing a first-of-its-kind supersonic testing operation over northeastern Washington. They are currently working on establishing a supersonic test area over land north of here from the east side of the Cascade’s all the way to Montana, a 300 mile stretch, and want to use KMWH as the main airport for those planes.
Thanks very much for all of this information! It's great to fill in the gaps in my descriptions.
Wow! Fantastic information!! Thank you!!
There is more like 170
I went by the Southwest “Max’s” stored at SoCal Logistics (George AFB). October count was 80+. More are stored at Goodyear Arizona
Worst thing possible , sitting on the ground . Wonder why no one talks about that
Used to be an Air Force Base. Notice the "Christmas tree" parking areas which used to be for bombers on alert.
It's decorated with 737 MAXs!
B Llaneta This comment made my day!
B52s?
Why did the Air Force pull out of Moses Lake?
@@michaellackie3756 Yes. B-52's and also KC-135 tankers.
The Southwest planes are always so easy to spot.
Nice work Maria! It's always good to learn new stuff. I.e deadmans curve. There is always a learning curve in life.
Loved this one, thanks Maria!..be watching!
This video graphically illustrates a classic example of what happens when you send something into production before all the bugs are worked out of the design. You multiply your mistake every time a new unit comes off the assembly line. This video should serve as a valuable lesson to all the young design engineers out there. Don't let something like this happen to you.
Actually, all this video shows is a bunch of airplanes parked at an airport. 🤷🏻♀️
@@FlyingMAir What the video shows is the result of putting something into mass production while a major flaw still exists in the design. If you had ever done design or manufacturing engineering like I have you would have made the connection. I think your video has value beyond your original intention. I think the video should be mandatory viewing for students studying design and manufacturing engineering. It should also be mandatory viewing for MBA's. Probably especially for MBA's.
I checked out those photos that you suggested we look at they really came out nice he did a good job and so did you with the flying .
Terrific video!! I am watching it several times so I can really check out everything!! Love your last comment🤣🤣🤣 You are too funny..let that part of you out more😉
Thanks! I don’t think too many people watch until the end. 😉
Nice footage btw! I love it 😻
Cool. 😊 Nice to hear naration from a female pilot. Nice photography and views. 💙
Fascinating Maria - sad to see so much inventory still just parked up. Thanks for sharing.
Agreed. I hate to see any aircraft grounded, but all these shiny new ones? Tragic. I hope they have the problem resolved soon.
I was stationed at Fairchild back in the 1970's and got a ride on a UH-1N Huey. We flew down to Moses Lake and hovered over it for a while and then landed to give people a bathroom break.
This is a perfect example of why we need the nose cam. Thanks for the awesomeness.
Agreed!!
I live in Yakima. Those pictures are beautiful! Great video. Well done and a subscriber.
Thanks!
Funny enough, I was there just the evening before, doing some spotting for myself. Nice to see the old Qantas 744 down there... Great vid!
Did you catch the PBY Catalina just down from the Qantas 747?
Great flight and an experienced competent pilot. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for watching!
I drive by Boeing Field daily and there are bunches of neatly parked 737 Max’s in the area where they built B17’s in WW2. It’s a parking lot now of course, but during the war this is where there was a huge camouflage city scape covering over the area.
Thumbs Up! Great Video!
Those Chistmas Tree parking areas look a lot bomber alert parking.
Moses Lake used to and still may be the Alternate Recovery Base for Fairchild AFB. During the cold war had their been a nuclear event it was presumed that Fairchild would be destroyed in a first strike. The plan was that the bombers would depart Fairchild and return to Moses Lake after dropping their bombs. As soon as the bombers departed Fairchild, all essential personnel along with everything else needed to relaunch the planes would then head 100 miles down the road to Moses Lake to await the bombers return and then relaunch them.
I don't know what the plan would have been had the Soviets eliminated Moses Lake too, I also don't know what became of the plan after the bombers were removed from Fairchild.
I noticed the Christmas tree too. New right away what it was since I spent a few years at Fairchild with the B52s were still there. I drove by their alert facility every day to and from work.
Kenneth Southard My Dad flew 97’s and 135’s.. From Altus and Clinton Sherman a lot.. They were told to offload all their fuel to the bombers and just keep enough to glide to the tree line in Canada and if we won someone would come get them.. Yeah.. Watching 8 tankers and bombers doing MITO takeoffs was awe inspiring.. We used to visit him on alert and watched many a scramble, start up and return, they only actually took off if it was an ORI...
I was a Tower Operator in the Air Force here when we closed the base (Larson AFB(. and was there when the B52 A models we had and the kc135;s. Departed.. .During the Cold War we were just as much target as Fairchild. AFB.
Yup, typically if there is a christmas tree set up at a flightline, they were bombers (and typically nuclear loaded back during the cold war days) it was their "ready area", so they were loaded and on stand by
Over the past years, I have heard a lot of unusual-sounding traffic into and out of Moses lake, but have never been there myself. Your flight helped me understand what is happening at KMWH. I couldn't figure out why there were a lot of heavy aircraft flying VFR into and out of the airport... even a B-777 I heard once that was rolling along at 7,500 ft.
MWH has always been one of Boeing's main testing airports, and they fly heavies here every day for various flight testing and certification before delivery. C17s from JBLM also uses MWH as their main training airport for approach/landing practice. All the heavy traffic usually stays on the east side of the airport, and light GA mostly uses the west side. - CFII at MWH
Way cool video and showed a bit of what Eastern WA looks like. Thanks...
Your videos are getting better and better Maria.
Thanks!
The flight school at the college is awesome!
Nice job. Thanks.
Very nice.... Looked like excellent lighting for the photographer.
It was. His photos are amazing. Check out the link in the description if you have time.
Great overhead views, thank you for posting. As a side note at time stamp 6:44 in the lower left corner of the screen, You and see a Consolidated Catalina PBY, I got to help do some restoration on that craft. The owner confirmed that it was the last PBY to come off the assembly line.
That was really interesting. Thanks!
Thanks! Keep checking in! There's always more to come!
Great flight!
Thanks!
Maria, were you talking to the photographer on the intercom to coord. your setups? Beautiful scenery. So many airplanes there and elsewhere. Thank you.
Yes. Unfortunately, the camera with cockpit audio died just as we were getting started with this flight. 🙄
Love your narration
Thanks!
Great job! Subbed!
Great flight ! At 6:42 in lower left, what the Heck is that ? Looks like a Tri-Motor or a PBY ( because of wing length ).. And a BEECH 18 above it !! Geeze, how cool. Is that something you could check in the future ? Thanks ! Keep 'em coming !!
Heck, I didn't even notice that! I don't know what it is. I'll try to zoom in on the original footage, which was shot at a higher resolution than what's on RUclips.
Awesome video, I was out there couple of weeks ago visiting terex-genie and seen the aircrafts, was blown away, initially thought it was an international airport that I didn't know about
I always feel that way when I stumble past an airport with a lot of big jets parked there. One of the other commenters listed a bunch of other airports they're parked at.
@@FlyingMAir, you are correct, they are parked there until Boeing has a fix for the recent problems they have been having, also looks like they have been parking a few at the future of flight museum in mukilteo
Nice video. I know United has their used 737 Max aircraft parked there.
The ex-Qantas 747 is being converted to a Rolls Royce engine flying testbed
I sure hope they start a lot more work in Moses Lake ,,, My family has a house on Blue Lake and I am buying 5 acres right by the airport there,,at this point its pretty much because its pretty cheap land but I have worked at Boeing here in Everett since 1996,,so if it ramps up there I will be relocating soon.
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Hey there , i found that channel 2 days ago and this is really amazing.I liked your videos.Have safe flights , greetings from Turkey. By the way i saw 4 Turkish airlines planes on the ground,i dont know why they are there..
Ah settlin with power. My unicorn brothers learned that lesson the hard way while placing a Xmas decoration on a Southern Korean bridge. Rest easy InnKeeper17
I enjoyed the video of this bird's-eye view of the parked aircraft. Makes me wonder what our feathered friends think of these stationary machines, "why don't they eat, fly , sqwauk, a pointless life"!
Is this where the phrase "MAXed out my credit card comes from?"
Many may wonder "why their is such a huge airport in the middle of Central Washington, where there's very little need for passenger service, etc. Grant County Airport is a former Air Force base which closed in 1966. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larson_Air_Force_Base
It's also been used as a backup landing /operations location for Fairchild AFB in Spokane, when runway maintenance is being performed.
It's actually interesting to me that they don't have some sort of scheduled passenger service from Moses Lake. Wenatchee has three flights each way every day to Seattle. Moses Lake is good hour-long drive to any other airport with scheduled service. Seems to me that Horizon (which serves Wenatchee) could do one round trip flight a day with one of their smaller planes into Seattle and make a lot of people happy. Hell, a bunch of Boeing employees would probably use it.
These planes are brand new.
It has been many years since Mary Schiavo published her book, " Flying Blind, Flying Safe" which was brilliant. I hope she, or someone at least as knowledgeable would publish an updated version of that excellent book.
Moses Lake has the longest runway west of the Mississippi, its also where the Concord was certified by the FAA
Thats not true. Denver International has a runway 16,000 ft. (the longest in North America) Moses Lake's is right aroundr 13,500. And there are several others west of the Miss. longer than Moses Lake. Vandenberg is 15,000 ft., Las Vegas 14,500, Edwards AFB 15,023, etc
I saw the Concord there.
Over 100 planes... How many billions of dollars, in planes, is just sitting there in Moses Lake???
Edit: What a beautiful day. It's footage like this that makes me want to learn to fly helicopters.
Hi Maria - great video! Quick one - there's no 'u' in Qantas.
Dang! I should have known that. Fixing now. Thanks!
Was born right there in the base infirmary 69 years ago. Lot’s changed! Ha!
I count 160 737-MAX plus 1 787.
Thanks for counting!
That's nearly 20 _billion_
That's not the right number lol .... I'm not going to tell you what that number is since Airlines all pay different prices based on lots of factors, but its not $20billion
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td *Bill gates* - *I'LL TAKE 5*
Interesting
I've landed on that runway before. Its so long
we were out there a coupe months ago, (on the ground,) could not believe how many Maxes they have parked out there now...
I spoke to someone yesterday with a business out by the airport and she seems to think they’ll have as many as 300 there soon. Someone watching the video counted 180.
Catalina lower left towards the end.
Thank you for your work!! Bravo!!
I believe that is a 787 at the front of the roe @3:33
The 737 MAX crisis is costing Boeing billions of dollars. Proof positive is sitting there at that facility.
David Ryder's photos are stunning.
David is an amazing photographer. The light was perfect that morning. Some of the shots with the long shadows are absolutely artistic.
I hope Boeing can sort out the troubles really quickly.
The Ex-Larson AFB.
Excellent video as always Maria.. ahh the 737-Max - proof that computers are going too far everywhere. I hope they get fixed but I really don’t like this over reliance on computers. I love technology, don’t get me wrong but there’s a time and a place
I am with you 100% on this. They are adding computerized systems EVERYWHERE these days and not giving people the training they need to handle computer failures. It’s terrifying, especially when you realize that in some instances, a human cannot take over when the computer fails because the system is just too complex.
Simpler is so often better. There’s just one “computerized” system on my helicopter: the governor. It controls the throttle to keep the engine and rotor RPM In the green during flight. If that fails, a mechanical correlator does part of the job, increasing and decreasing throttle as the collective is raised or lowered. But governors do fail - I had a high-side failure in my old R22 once and was bright enough to figure out what the problem was, disable the governor, and fly it back to the airport for repair.
Not at all a "computer problem".
The engines are too big for this aircraft.
The failing system is nothing but a patch on this misconception.
Hello from Ireland, now Ryanair (an Irish low budget airline) wants it's planes back ha ha, I could see three 737's in the video!!!
Nossa é muito triste ver esse tanto de aeronave parada 😢. Mas logo logo a boeing vai fazer todos voar novamente.,.
Heh... I lived in ML until, oh, yesterday. I think I was once going to ask you if you ever had cause to visit MWH.
I usually don't! I got a call to fly the photographer out there in October and did the flight. That's the first time I'd been there in over a year.
Once Boeing gets the software upgrades and other modifications certified, this place will get busy. I assume that aircraft will be ferried back to the Seattle area, undergo upgrades, then prepped for delivery to customers.
It will be interesting to see how many aircraft will depart for the Seattle area on any given day.
I’m kind of hoping I can be around to watch some of that. Occasionally, we’ll see jetliners flying in loose formation between Seattle and Moses Lake here in Wenatchee. I bet we see more when they start heading back to the Seattle area.
Oh my God, I love aircraft's - especially Boeing aircraft's and I find them all together absolutely great and to be honest I by myself fly the legendary and most majestic aircraft ever in the world - the one and only Queen of the Sky - the Boeing 747-400F and 747-400BCF and I would like to have one of those ones here as a private jet to fly around for holidays and special occasions! I trust in Boeing and I know that they will fix this problem with the Boeing 737-800MAX and the MCAS - that's it! In the past there were so many problems in the aircraft industry and all these things were fixed from the engineers who are working there and I think the people at the Boeing Company will have it done in the next time and then I think the Boeing 737-800MAX will be one of the most safe and secure aircraft in the world - simply because this problem has been happening and it has forced Boeing that the new system called MCAS have to be adjusted and re-calibrated and newly developed and programmed to be better than before! If people say that they won't fly in one of this aircraft's because of this problem - so I say that they should never ever leave their house and bed and stay away from all kinds of moving things because all these things are so dangerous and life-threatening! That's it! Period, end of story! Lovely greetings from Captain Sarah Sutter (Boeing 747-400F and 747-400BCF) 🙋💖✈️😍👍 and by the way - this aerial view and your flight above Moses Lake was so wonderful, awesome, gorgeous and so majestic to see and I love it so much and thank you very much for it 😍😍😍😍😍
Hi Maria. Just wondering when you say Low time Pilot 👨✈️ what does that mean?
"Low time" means a pilot without a lot of flying time -- in other words, a less experienced pilot.
That’s lot of Max
$500 for a 6.8 megapixel image? That photographer is absolutely insane. For that price I better be getting AT LEAST original resolution. To get every image he took, (35 * $500 = $17,500) it would 8-10 TIMES cheaper to buy a camera, lens, and rent someone like FlyingMAir for an hour and take the photos yourself. Not only that, but you'd also get FULL RESOLUTION photos.
To be honest you could get a helicopter pilot's license for that price.
You have a LOT to learn about the photography business.
Those plane are awaiting delivery.
They sure do look brand spanking new!
I did see one of ours, still awaiting the delivery of 80+ MAX8’s. Can’t wait for deliveries to resume 😁
Hey I just saw your post about your live AMA for Nov. 10. When I touch the picture it says 2 p.m. and in the information it says 11 a.m.?
The AMA is 11 PT. Are you on the east coast? If so, it might be adjusting for you.
@@FlyingMAir Yes. Just checking. Thank you 😊😊😊
Sadly Qantas 747s are being retired soon (only 400er models left) & being replaced by 787-9.
Maria, what’s the “dead mans curve” mean? Is that reference to the low speed or the geographical area?
Thanks,
Tony P
This explains it: www.aneclecticmind.com/2008/04/27/the-deadmans-curve/
FlyingMAir thanks Maria!!!!
@@FlyingMAir Whew, I had read that a few times.
@@FlyingMAir So when I look at the Height-Velocity diagram: Hovering at a height of 1000 ft. at zero speed is save. If the engine quits in that situation you have to trade potential energy, i.e. height, for kinetic energy, i.e. horizontal speed. You accelerate horizontally while going down to at least 50 knots, preferably 60 knots. You keep speed while sinking and start decelerate horizontally only when close, 25 to 10 ft., to ground. Basically you fly the "Recommended Take-Off Profile" from that diagram in reverse.
Exactly -- well, almost. We like to autorotate at at least 65-75 knots so that's the speed I'd shoot for if I could. (Did you see the autorotation practice video I did? ruclips.net/video/W9UEqinM0Js/видео.html) Once you get the speed up, it's a standard autorotation.
I used to practice autorotations from a high hover but I truly hate doing them. To get that speed up, you have to basically point the nose at the ground and it is terrifying when you don't do it very often.
Big guys...Big WOMEN for that matter (no weighty matters here)...LOL!! your videos are awesome & narration on another level.Cheers
Thanks! Tell your friends!
And about the "big women" comment -- heck, I don't like to stereotype, but it's the 200+ pound MEN who really make photo flights challenging. That doesn't mean women can't be heavyweights -- it's just a little less likely.
@@FlyingMAir Indeed a couple of my friends know and love you channel. Kindly check out mine ruclips.net/channel/UCKmGhXYQD70T0O06g-cYOBA never mind about the camera.Should get better by the day.Thanks
Hello Maria, it would be interesting for me to know what your fuel cost per hour is on the R44! It's my dream becoming a heli pilot but I have to finish school first and study before I can go for my licence because it's so damn expensive 🙁
Fuel is not the main cost. My insurance is $15K/year. Divide that by 100 hours of flight time each year and it comes to $150/hour.
A video about helicopter costs is in the works. Keep checking in.
@@FlyingMAir Thank you for your response! I appreciate it😊
Was that a PBY Catalina on the left at 6:31?
Maybe? 🤷🏻♀️
There aren't enough #Pilots to fly The #Boeing 737MAX Jets.
This is why 737 MAXs have been parked there. Structural problems that virtually could never been solved.
Boeing had to use much “Bigger Engines” that didn’t fit in the usual position under the wing of the repurposed, 53-year-old 737 design. The engines had to be moved forward and hoisted higher. As a result, the aerodynamics changed, and the planes had a tendency to pitch up and potentially stall on takeoff. Boeing’s solution to this hardware defect was an imperfect software bandage that would automatically correct the pitch. In both crashes, preliminary investigations found this software kicked in even when the plane wasn’t stalling, with lethal. The 28,000 flight attendants working for American Airlines refuse to walk onto a plane that may not be safe and are calling for the highest possible safety standards to avoid another tragedy.
This is my understanding as well, although I’m not sure what kind of expertise flight attendants have on engineering matters.
FlyingMAir I assume they value their lives is all.. Let’s sell safety as an option.. That’s true..
FlyingMAir - They are a bit nuts at AA, both their pilot and cabin union. No other airline having MAX’s are showing this kind of behaviour, neither at my airline. We will all fly the MAX again with no concerns when the grounding is lifted.
Not all of them at 3:30 are the 737MAX. There’s was a 787 sitting there.
Great vidieo can they not sell planes to private buyers
The planes are awaiting hardware and software updates to fix safety issues. They will all be delivered to the companies that originally bought them.
@@FlyingMAir thankyou for reply i thought it would like an auction quick sell
These planes are already owned by the airlines indicated by their livery. (Not necessarily paid for, though.)
No lie but the 737 max fly save to those airports to just park why wernt they any issues when they fly to other airports to park.
If you look closely, you can see 3 737 MAX jets in the new United paint scheme
Correction maybe 4
Lost me when you talked about skids in the way? In the way of the camera ha ha and not in the way of the 41 foot MAX tails. OK
Whoa, is that a PBY at 6:40?
Yup and a DC-3 by the looks of it, good eye ;)
Is there a helicopter school in Wenatchee?
Nope. Closest one is Spokane, I believe.
Please do a video on UN-sold Tesla vehicles! They don't have the issues of the Boeing airplanes; they have a different problem... Tesla wants to keep a certain hype by not telling you about their overstock production, nobody wants/needs... The location (in my area of the unsold Teslas - about 500 of them) is behind the former SEARS store in Bellevue WA at the intersection of 148/24... Now you will have material for a new video... One more thing; there are such overstock parking lots with Teslas all over the country...
I have plenty of new material for videos without flying over Bellevue parking lots. But thanks.
@@FlyingMAir Exposing the Tesla scheme is not a nothing-burger... Your channel, your money, your pleasure to do whatever you want.
My count estimate is 180, so about $2 billion sitting there.
Boeing, test fly them continuously and show a track record of thousands of perfect take-offs six months from now.
I think they'll have the problem fixed and release the planes sooner than that. I just hope the give all the pilots sufficient training. I think that's a huge factor in this problem.
Hope so, but public perception/fears need to be overcome strongly. Can't be lazy in this, should be viewed as a four-alarm fire.
Additionally I would take input from pilots. That doesn't include me, but I expect they might wish for an MCAS lighted switch on the autopilot panel within vision always (when looking ahead), not these simple old-fashioned rocker switches on the console out of usual peripheral vision: ruclips.net/video/xixM_cwSLcQ/видео.html I would make the MCAS switch a blade switch, even though that is never done. That means the user activates the mechanical connection and can see its condition, thus even if the LED light is no longer working due to a lightning strike or something (and don't worry, airliners do very well there but you can never be too too safe), the arm of the switch that makes the actual electrical connection can be seen with absolute certainty as to whether it is off/disconnected so that MCAS features cannot possibly be functional in that state. Those old rocker switches can sometimes go bad inside them behind the panel if they get too hot.
I'm afraid Boeing is expecting this to blow over like the jackscrew problem in January 2000. Or did it? You never hear of those MD-83 planes anymore, nor the related Boeing 717. In the crash of Flight 261 off the Southern California coast which killed all 88 people on board, the NTSB found that the jackscrew on the MD-83 failed because it had not been adequately lubricated. Would you like to fly on an MD-83? Any MD model? Even the words McDonnell Douglas seem to have been removed from our vocabulary.
When I read public comments about MCAS, there's deep hatred from the public. Boeing thinks it can just casually let this blow over without the words MCAS or 737 Max or all of Boeing being scrubbed from our lives. It thinks it can let the same engineers who created the problem supply a patch. Candidates for a Darwin Award because Boeing might die as a company with even one more single incident involving those planes, and in my opinion, if you will excuse my french, are treating this like cavalier hotshots and/or pussies. I believe that's the technical term. Walk through the halls at Boeing looking for a person matching that description and you'll find the guy in charge of MCAS unless it is an entire culture problem.
Boeing: Who is going to let their mother fly on a 737 Max?
Which company is going to buy those planes and risk bankruptcy because of people refusing to fly on them? Spirit? United? Delta? Southwest? Perhaps Emirates or China Southern. China has so many people that who cares, right? Not right. Find a way to demonstrate that you are no longer sloppy. Fire some people. Major redesign, not software. Extensive sensor testing. Extensive flight tests. What, you don't have pilots willing to risk those test flights? Prove that you do. Rebrand the plane. The terms 737 Max stimulates in people the same neurons that imagined the horrible deaths of those 346. You can't just apologize before Congress and update software and consider it ok. Boeing, you need to make some significant strategic moves or you risk bankruptcy yourself. You think you are too big to fail. Wake up.
Anyone: Do any analogous airliner crashes spring to your mind where the pain of them just sort of faded out and everybody concluded yeah ok, everything's ok now? If so, that will provide some hope for Boeing's future and help me relax a bit, thanks. Perhaps Air France Flight 447 Airbus 330, but it didn't happen twice: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/12840/what-improvements-did-airbus-make-as-a-result-of-the-air-france-447-accident
So here's an afterthought. I live in Seattle. You could hire me for one purpose, to be poking my nose into things and raising red flags. The first three months are free. We can also form a small consumer oversight board if you wish, or not. One of its functions could be monitoring social media and you'll benefit from that in many ways too as a side-effect. I'm both a software and mechanical engineer with a background in high energy physics, and we can hire other engineers offering rewards/incentives monetarily for improvements, not unlike white-hat hackers who help protect companies. Oh but you are stubborn and proud aren't you, and you know it. You wouldn't even give me the courtesy of a call back when I provided the most logical cause of your lithium battery problem to even discuss it: thingsweirdandwonderful.com/comments/787_battery/ You need someone who spits vinegar, because in the corporate environment everyone is highly motivated to just go along and keep their $250K+ salaries. I'm not that mean, but I could find some engineers who like to find flaws and that was my job at Microsoft on all of the quality operating systems. The ones I didn't work on were dismal flops (millenium and vista). I left after XP, just after filing a priority 1 severity 1 bug that nearly postponed its release, for example. True. You want to do well? Same. I want you to do well: garyha at sellerline dot com .
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At 3:47 your first question is affirmative.
That's what you call a few dollars worth of metal sitting there.
I'll say!
Loks like a Lemonyard
6:42 I can spot my country's national carrier Oman Air! (3rd last plane)
If there such bad plane ? How did they fly there?
Great shots. Loved this video!! And that former Qantas 747-400 you captured will be used to test greener, quieter engines. There is an article on it here: www.sfgate.com/travel/article/Qantas-747-final-flight-14540153.php
I think I linked to the same article in the video description. You DID read the description, didn't you...? 😉
I work where these are painted
Yup, saw a couple that look familiar, other than southwest
Some of those planes have really nice paint jobs. Good work!
I haven't been there long, but i think i saw 3 that i actually helped with. Boeing flies them to us in Spokane, we paint, then to Moses lake.
How much a day would it cost to park 100 Commercial Jets and not use them ? It must be a massive expense for Boeing to absorb, and what additional maintenance would that add ? Washington State is hardly ideal for such storage, and it makes me wonder why these jets are not in some dry warm climate like the Southwest. Can anyone explain why Boeing has chosen the Northwest for this purpose, over the dry arid climate ?
Eastern Washington state IS dry. It’s actually desert. The average annual rainfall is 9 inches in Moses Lake. The US average is 23 inches. www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/washington/moses_lake
Boeing is based in the Seattle area, so it makes sense that these planes are kept relatively nearby until they can be fixed.
@@FlyingMAir When I found out I was being stationed at Fairchild AFB outside Spokane someone told me, "It always rains in Washington state". Then when I got off the plane at the airport it was raining so I said to myself, "I guess its true". The next day it was sunny and it didn't rain again for 3 months.
@@FlyingMAir I enjoyed your video. Thanks. While I was at Fairchild back in the 1970's I got a ride in a UH-1N Huey and we flew down to Moses Lake. The N model Huey was the two engine version of the Huey that the Air Force used for air-sea rescue. I had never flown in a helicopter before so hovering motionless over the field was a new experience. I hadn't thought about it for years so thanks for the memories.
I can't tell you how many people thought I was nuts for moving from Arizona to "rainy Washington State." They just didn't believe it when I said it was a desert out here. Seriously: the climate of this area is virtually identical to Flagstaff or Prescott AZ. That doesn't mean it NEVER rains. It just doesn't rain very much.
Who here lives in Moses Lake
6:52 Polish airlines LOT
How much money is sitting there?
How much lost revenue is being accrued?
lets say 100 aircraft x $ 99.7 milion each (Base price 737 Max) = $ 9.700.000.000
@@monsterkillsports3499 I doubt most airlines paid much more than 50m$
Still making a profit
Build them safely and you wont have this problem, simple. Boeing can only blame itself.
ATCkeepsUsafe I don’t think all that’s a slam dunk
I still want to help out, so let me put $100 on your fuel bill. Just let me know how to do it.
I appreciate that! How about becoming a member here? ruclips.net/channel/UCLGD_GbGsS6YKK_Ekx0QMqQjoin
@@FlyingMAir Okay thanks, I'll look into it. Nice video as usual!
Gave a like, but seemed wrong, my like changed your likes from 747 to 748. Sorry.
748 is 747-8 so no bad :)
3:30 bombs waiting to be deployed.