People who question Chamberlain's abilities NEVER saw him play and have NO IDEA; Bob Lanier, at 6'11 and 260lbs described his first meeting with Wilt in the post; " He moved me aside like I was an empty coffee cup." Shaq was the laziest, most unmotivated center when it came to off-season conditioning; He was traded multiple times, always demanding more money he didn't deserve, had an over-inflated opinion of himself and Phil Jackson has said Shaq was NEVER a worker and thought he blew what could have been an all time career. Wilt would have DESTROYED him. End of discussion.
Yao Ming actually did dominate Shaq. Yao Ming in his prime was disgustingly effective and hard to deal with, probably the 2nd best big man of all time, just with a sadly short career. He wasn't super athletic, but he took good care of himself, and he made even Shaq or Wilt look small, and had incredibly well polished skills, especially with shooting. With his enormous frame, he was a real nightmare on both ends of the court.
Shaq was grossly overweight most of his career. And he got away with murder. Never liked the way he played. He could have been like Wilt. But not disciplined
I think Jerry West said it best, and West wasn't just an old-time player defending his era. He was a GM for years, so he was very current, and he said he'd love to see a Wilt in his prime against 'todays players'. (He said this about 15 years ago). Said today's players would be embarrassed, and I believe him.
Excellent, Mike. MY BACKGROUND AND "CREDS": My dad was a "rabid" fanatic of Mr. Basketball, George Mikan; and raised me on "all things Mikan". Born and raised in New Jersey, I got to see the Harlem Globetrotters LIVE a number of times in 1959 - they had this incredible "point guard" - what was his name, oh yeah, Wilt. I "followed" him into the NBA. I went to high school, (Sept.) 1963 - (June) 1967, 30 miles northeast of Boston and got to see the great Bill Russell LIVE at the Gaaaden many times. (My strongest memory, by far, unfortunately is of the C's fans calling him the "N" word - it took Bill decades to "forgive" them; I still haven't.) I read literally everything available on the NBA back then (several newspapers' sports sections daily; sports magazines ...); and, living just outside NYC, we had the best NBA coverage in the world; and we NEVER missed a televised game (including tape-delayed ones). The games that weren't on TV, we listened to them on the radio. WILT WAS THE #1 ATHLETE (ALL SPORTS) OF THE ENTIRE 20TH CENTURY: As to Wilt's physical accomplishments, I tend to doubt NONE of the major claims. I don't doubt that he was THE #1 ATHLETE (all sports) for the entire 20th century. I SAW him lift guys up (like dolls) with only one extended arm; soon after it happened, we read about him stopping an NBA fight by lifting up BOTH guys. He WAS the fastest guy in the League, the quickest, the strongest and with the most endurance/stamina. And then there's the character of the man ON THE COURT. He lived in a world where if he swang hard at anybody, they'd NEVER recover - so, gentle giant that he was, he never did that. Back then, winning wasn't considered "everything"; and you weren't a "loser" if your team lost in the Play-Offs to the C's truly ALL-STAR team (EASILY THE team with the highest percent of League-wide All-Stars ever AND with era-wise, THE GREATEST COACH (& GM) EVER). The C's won many super-close games and series - and Red was EASILY worth 2-5 points a game over any other coach in his era. An example of Wilt's friendly on-court attitude is that he would tend to play to the level of his opponent - instead of utterly dominating weaker centers (as he easily could have) he'd "let them score" so as to not demoralize them too much. I value that greatly over the "win at all costs" attitude of more modern times. OTOH, he DOMINATED Bill Russell. He only scored some 5 points per game less vs the Cs (an All-Time Great defensive team) than he did against the rest of the League - and they were ALWAYS throwing multiple defenders at him AND playing dirty (holding only to his uniform, bear-hugging him ...) When people posit how Shaq would have done against Wilt, I picture this: Wilt would RISE to the challenge and just DOMINATE Shaq (as well as wear him out). People talk about if Wilt had access to modern training methods and medicine; but if he also played in an era where "winning is everything"; he would have racked up more Chips. Switch Wilt with Russell, and the C's win at least as many Chips, and Russell wins less Chips than Wilt. And then there's the character of the man IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE: Wilt single-handedly (sometimes accompanied by a teammate) integrated first an entire major city, then a State then a region! He certainly did not have to, but he made it his SOP to enter "Whites ONLY" establishments and sit up front waiting to be served. He KNEW that every single time he did, he was risking his very life - Southerners were armed to the teeth and all too willing to take down a "doesn't know his place Negro". So it just makes me laugh when people try to claim that Wilt was a "me-first" guy; who only cared about his personal stats and had troubles with all his coaches all the time. He lived by the HIGHEST MORAL CODE in society - regularly risking his very life, sacrificing for others; no bleeping way could he have been selfish on the court. btw, if you're guessing I'm a Wilt-homer; on my GOAT list, I have Wilt as #6 and GOAT #2 Center (behind Kareem). My GOAT Top 16: 1. KAJ; 2. LBJ; 3. MJ; 4. Magic; 5. TD; 6. Wilt; 7. Dr J; 8. Kobe; 9. Big "O"; 10. K. Malone; 11 Shaq; 12. Jerry West; 13. Bird; 14. Stockton (for now); 15. Pettit; 16. Bill Russell. The reason I can't rate Bill Russell higher is because he was DOMINATED at his own position in his own era. In the 9 years they both got ALL-NBA selections, Wilt got 7 First-Team selections to Russell's 2 - that's DOMINATION.
As someone who grew up in Lawrence, KS during the time Wilt played at KU, I can tell you that your comment about Wilt not doing weight training until he got to the pros is not true. At KU, a comtemporary of Wilt's was Bill Nieder, the first man to throw the shotput over 60 feet. Neider said that the only athlete at KU that he could not out-lift was Chamberlain. Wilt got into weight training much earlier than you indicated.
yeah, up until his death, people argued between him and MJ and it was pretty close even then same goes for folks like Moses Malone who are slowly turning into dust
Michael Sowell I love you. You recognize the greatness of Wilt. Greatness is too gentle a word though, he was simply the GOAT by far. 2nd is a tie between Bird, Magic, and Jordan. But Wilt is by far the most skilled, physically dominating player of all time. Thanks for these vids.
Well Wilt played normal many times and he could switch to the next level,we saw no player ever to switch to the other level that what makes him so dangerous.
I love your videos man. Your knowledge of the game is authentic. I'm not off the calendar quite yet with my age, so Ive never seen the 60s and 70s players. But I got all my knowledge of them from my dad who actually watched them play. His favorite player is MJ btw lol. But even he says no one compares to Wilt. It's a whole other subject when u ask him about anyone against Wilt. Keep making videos man. I'll always support u. Ur teaching the game to a generation that's not getting to see the game or hear a real opinion without and agenda behind it. 💯
That bullshit narrative that u cant be an effective offensive player w\o a 3 pt shot is just an example of how 3 pt happy fans have become demar derozan is a perfect example of a perimeter player surviving this era playing solely inside the arc but alot of fans are too busy creaming themselves whenever klay goes of for 60 on wide open threes notice
i watch videos of wilt talking in 1997 when he was 61 and he looked like he could still avg 30 and 15 and he also said at that time if he played in that era he would avg 60 or 70 PPG and based on highlights i have no reason not to belive him so thats all my throughts
I was living in Chicago during the Nineties and I watched pretty much every Bulls game during the six championship years. During the second trio of championships, when the Bulls had Rodman, the team would every time they played Shaw put Rodman on him for one quarter. They did this partly to wear Shaq down and partly because Rodman desperately wanted to take Shaq on for a quarter. For that one quarter, Rodman would completely and totally shut Shaq down. Shaq would do almost nothing. Nothing. Maybe a trash bucket, but Rodman would block him out and keep him from getting any rebounds and would keep him out of position so he couldn't get any decent shots. It was the most incredible thing I've ever seen. And Rodman didn't do this once or twice, but again and again and again. At the time I told some of my younger friends, "That is what Bill Russell was like, except he could do it night after night after night, against any center in the league." And I think Russell and Rodman are one and two on the all time NBA rebounds per minutes. My point is that Shaq relied on his weight. And your points about Shaq's strength is dead on. He wasn't a very strong guy. He was a HUGE guy. Shaq was a really heavy guy who was coordinated and knew how to use his weight against smaller players. Wilt was a huge guy (320 pounds during the last several years of his career) who was extremely fast, very coordinated, quick, and freakishly fast. But the amazing thing is that Wilt was a finesse player. He could have done a ton of two-handed dunks except he was afraid of hurting people. Instead, he liked to move inside for quick one handed dunks or he would do finger rolls or he would shoot his fade away. I think Wilt would have been a better player if he had been more aggressive physically, but everyone who played with or against him says he was afraid of hurting people. He was strong enough to dunk despite a guy sticking his hand out to block the shot, but he was afraid of breaking the guy's arm. Shaq, on the other hand, was a lot more physical, but because he didn't possess Wilt's power, he wasn't the treat to hurt someone. Bringing it all the way around, imagine Rodman guarding Wilt. As much as I came to admire Rodman as a player (my best friend's boyfriend bartended at a club that Rodman liked to visit, and he liked to get his drinks from her boyfriend; she says that Rodman was strange, but was also an extremely nice guy; strange but nice), you simply, can't imagine him containing Wilt. It's just pure physics. Wilt was bigger and - despite how strong Rodman was - a whole lot stronger. Being in great shape gave Rodman an advantage against Shaq, but it wouldn't be enough against Wilt. By the way, one reason Rodman was in such incredible shape was the fact that he kept exercising for ridiculous amounts of time each day. My friend and her boyfriend got invited to Rodman's apartment a couple of times and he kept an exercise bike in literally every room in the condo. As Rodman would go from room to room to talk to people, he would just jump on his exercise bike and start riding. He also had a leg press machine he'd go sit on. And all that paid off when he played. He was really one of the smaller small forwards in the league, but because he had some much lower body strength, you simply couldn't move him. If we were playing Utah and Rodman switched off to guard Malone, Malone wouldn't necessarily get the better of that match up. During those three years that he played for the Bulls, I was simply astonished at how smart he was. Yes, he was bonkers, but he may have been a genius on the court. One other thing to keep in mind about Wilt vs. Shaq is that the rules changed a lot to give Shaq advantages that Wilt ever had. I mean, can you even imagine Wilt playing during Shaq's era, with the rules against hand checking? He was unstoppable during the years when he wanted to score a lot. He was even unstoppable during his last few years. I remember one of his last seasons. Jerry West sustained an injury that kept him from playing. Let me add: Jerry West ALWAYS played injured. People don't remember this now, but West was always playing with a broken nose or strain muscle or broken finger. He could TEAR a muscle and he would still play. But this particular season he hard surgery and had to sit down for six weeks. The Lakers were having trouble scoring. Wilt was still trying to be the passing pivot, with the offense running through him, but with him only scoring 20 a game or so. But it became obvious that with West and another leading scorer down, things had to change. So Wilt reverted for about 10 games to the Wilt of 1962 or 1964. He averaged well over 40 a game for that stretch. I saw him on national TV during that stretch where he scored around 50. But they didn't have West or Goodrich or someone else (McMillan?), so he had to generate points. A few games later West started suiting up again and Wilt's scoring went back down. But I drift from my point which is that during most of his career Wilt had to score despite rules that were intended to make it harder for him to score. But during Shaq's career, they imposed rules that made it harder for people to guard him AND that allowed him to do things that would have been an offensive foul in previous decades. Had Wilt done a lot of the things that Shaq did, he would have been called for charging. That move Shaq made where he dipped his shoulder and shoved the defender out of the way would have been illegal for Wilt. But imagine Wilt being able to do that during the years when he was averaging 40 something a game. One last comment. Think about the Decathlon. Specifically, think about Shaq participating int he Decathlon while he was at LSU. First off, he had no events that he was particularly good at. He wasn't even very good at the shot put, since he didn't have a lot of upper arm or chest strength. But now think about Wilt. Everyone knows about what he did participating in AAU track and field and when he was at Kansas. He was outstanding in the shot put, the quarter mile, and the high jump. He was even very good at the 100 yard dash, even though he struggled getting out of the blocks. He was decent in the mile. I don't know if he was any good at the hurdles, but it isn't hard to imagine him doing well at it given his long legs. Basically, Wilt would simply have needed to learn to pole vault in order to participate in the Decathlon. Shaq, on the other hand, has no events in which he could have participated in. I actually think Wilt might have become a championship sprinter. He was very, very fast when he was younger, before the wear and tear on the knees. In the fifties there was a bias against tall sprinters. In fact, O.J. Simpson was barely able to participate in track because he was around 6'3 . Tall sprinters, it was thought, couldn't get a good start out of the blocks and took too long to reach their top speed. So those guys were put in the 220 and 440. But you watch film of Wilt in high school or college, and he had a freakishly long stride. Shaq at the peak of his career could be impressive because of his enormous bulk and his coordination, but Wilt was so amazingly impressive in so many ways. Sadly, I never saw Wilt in person. I did see Shaq once and I saw Artis Gilmore twice. I saw him in Louisville in 1975 when I was a first year seminary student at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, back when it was considered to be a first rate seminary (the fundamentalists have pretty much destroyed it since then, and all the good professors left for other schools). After that I transferred to Yale and got a masters and then got into the University of Chicago, where I went to work on a Ph.D. in Philosophy. My first month there I was having some health issues (severe headaches that were later found to be impacted wisdom teeth) and went to the hospital on campus to get looked at. I opened the door and there was Artis. He was playing for the Bulls at the time. He and Reggie Thesus were the big stars at the time. The first time I saw him he was outside, but for some reason seeing him indoors seemed to make him look bigger. He looked like a giant. I know that Shaq was bigger, but for some reason Artis looked bigger. Maybe it was the huge Afro. that added about five inches in height. I think Artis might be the most underrated center of all time right now. People simply don't remember him. I think he was hurt by playing in the ABA for so may seasons. But he was an excellent center. On the NBA site I see him listed 7'2 and 240. Hogwash! He was 7'2, but he had to be 280 or 290. And 7'7 with the Afro. If I remember correctly, he also sported some of the greatest sideburns in the history of the NBA. In fact, if I had to do an All Sideburn team, I'd start with Walt Frazier and Gilmore, and go on from there.
Thanks Mr. Sowell for another well-informed, articulate video. I was lucky enough to see Russell, Wilt and Shaq in their primes and can honestly concur with you with all parts of this video. Wilt and Russell were once asked how they would play Shaq and they both agreed that running Shaq hard up and down the court all night would wear him out to the point of severely impacting his overall game. Wilt was a physical fitness freak and was completely confident in his skills to dominate anyone from the past through the present(up until he passed). E solo la mia opinione. Peace.
Great vid Mike its really sad that a lot of the problem with people not being able to understand wilt , russell, gilmore ect. They don't want to take the time to educate themselves about these men. I know a guy I work with and told him he should check out your channel and the wilt chamberlain channel because he always want to talk nba basketball yet he didn't know the history of the game. I would go up to him from time to time and ask Hey man you sign up to those youtube channels yet? he would say Nahh I haven't had time. SMH
@Jesus Saldana ummm he avg a FG% over 50%. Notice also how PPG went down as the team got better, so he didn't have to score as much. And how many centers have won the assist title, 1, guess who that was.
@Jesus Saldana I agree teams win. MJ learned that lesson. But Wilt shot on those early teams because he didn't have a team like the Celtics. And Kareem and Wilt had a strange relationship, at one time he was Kareem 's mentor. And I notice you didn't acknowledge that Wilt blocked his shot.
Watched this video again and am still impressed with the way you convey your beliefs and back them up with facts. Really, any present and past NBA fan can't dispute any of these points that you make. You keep plugging away and maybe you will convince these young fans who the greatest center in the history of the NBA is. E solo la mia opinione. Pace.
william hardenbergh ur list is trash bruh lol no larry bird or hakeem who torched shaq nd carried rockets two years straight championship lol nd wtf Kareem definitely better than wilt lol the lebron ranking is laughable 3-5 nd choked two years staright versus celtics than mavs finals nd Tim duncan not better than kobe and is better than shaq horrible man wtf have u been watching the last 20 years wikipedia lol
I'm glad to hear someone finally speaking the truth about the Dipper. Grew up watching him and saw him play live. Anyone who saw him in his prime knows the truth, but so many on YT grew up in the 90's and seem to think anything done in sports prior to them had to be inferior for some reason. Thanks for putting this out. I would like to hear what you think of my other basketball hero; Oscar Robertson.
I don't know who would win but Shaq did hold his own against all the of top centers from the 80's draft classes. I remember reading about Wilt in the early 90's the 100 point game always came up.
Wilt vs. Shaq would be a great match-up. Shaq was a talented athlete in his own right. He had agility and good ball-handling skills for a man his size. Did Wilt "wear out" Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed and Kareem Abdul Jabbar? I think Shaq was more competitive in his match-ups with top big men.
I can't believe we are even comparing the two. Shaq at his best prime diesel couldn't handle Yao Ming. Man Wilt would've eat up both Yao and Shaq all day and take a break then take on more. Wilt picked up two grown basketball players one on each hand at the same time. Let me see any basketball player today do it with one arm. Only Andre the giant was of similar strength. In his 50s was still bench pressing more than Shaq in his prime. Thank you sir for defending the legacy of probably the 🐐 and it's a shame they don't include him in the recent conversations. Wilt created the bar. People thought that Wilt was just going to e the nom at the time and didn't truly appreciate him. He was living as a Giant
Wilt versus any player from any era is a slaughter in favor of Wilt. He is before my time, but based on everything that I've been to see on him (his game film and highlights) there is no player who can or could handle him 1 vs 1. It simply doesn't exist. I think he would shut out most of the greatest to ever play, past, present, and future.
Better go watch a Shaq highlight buddy. If you need an eye test please do. Nobody in there right mind can look at wilt & Shaq and think wilt can hold him.
Wilt work with arnold schzenegger wilt in in his 40s, 6 months, early 1960s wilt would chew up Shaquille o'Neil like a piece of streak,put Shaquille o'neal in his stomach
@@DNikos WILT CHAMBERLAIN AVERAGED 46 .3 MINTUES A GAME FOR HIS CAREER . THAT IS A NBA RECORD. SHAQ WAS LAZY AND UNDISCIPLINE THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON WHY KOBE BRYANT HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIM. WILT CHAMBERLAIN WOULD HAVE DESTROYED SHAQ .
To add to your Rodman arguement Malik Rose was another guy that Shaq had issues with, also Rick Smits gave Shaq issues, Shaq has admitted that Malik and Rick gave him issues, 3D has also stated the same on Rick. To me there's is no doubt that Wilt would dominate Shaq, that's because Wilt wasn't only a basketball player Wilt was an all around athlete who loved to train his body and loved being in great shape. Lastly, Sampras is my all time favorite tennis player, but I it hurts me to admit that Federer has surpassed Sampras, those Federer vs Nadal matches are by far the best I've ever seen. On the three point argument Barkley developed that shot, it became a reliable aspect of his game it was his three point shot that advanced the Suns to the finals against the Spurs, I concur with everything you have said and thank you for dropping some sense with people's useless arguments.
When Shaq came in the league, in the 7 games that Shaq faced David Robinson (before Tim Duncan joined the Spurs), Robinson outscored Shaq in 6 out of 7 of those games. In the head to head matchups between Shaq and Duncan, Duncan averaged more points than Shaq in regular season and playoffs. Hakeem outscored Shaq in their Finals series. If Wilt and Shaq matched up, Shaq would get his but not all the time, and Wilt would win that matchup.
Yo Wilt Chamberlain was a total beast in basketball. The guy was way more athletic, could shot free throws, could shot the hook shot, could shot a close range shot, he could lay it up with each hand, could dunk from the free throw line. It doesn't matter which shaq it is Wilt Chamberlain would still dominate. Wilt Chamberlain played with whites during the time of high racial and bigotry was in this society. Do you honestly think those white players were not trying to hurt him while they played with white referees. Use common sense people. Like what these Europeans tried to do to Pele the greatest soccer player of all times
what would you correct on my list michael sowell i have to say kd is my favorite player and i am biggest fan boy of him so i will admit im biases but everyone elase im unbiases
I agree Shaq plain wasn't as strong as Wilt but man Parish was facing rook Shaq and said that, not 99-03 sized Shaq etc. I still agree but let's put shit in perspective yo
You want to talk about endurance and conditioning? Look no further than Robert " The chief " Parish, who played against Shaq, and even in his forties could out-run him and get his high-arching jump shot over him.
no doubt Parish career 76-97 he was built to last. might have most gms played or at least in the top 3. one of the best bigs at filling the lanes/run floor, underrated defender and solid rebounder for career. I always said that I'd take him over Dwight big doofus Howard any day!
There is absolutely no doubt Wilt would have wore Shaq out, Wilt is probably the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA, Wilt's strength was incredible, Arnold Schwarzenegger said that Wilt would work out in the gym while they were filming Conan and he was making some of the strong guys in there look silly, In my opinion Wilt is the greatest player to have ever played the game, If you look at all the footage and read up on him, I have no doubt what I m saying is true.
WILT CHAMBERLAIN'S PLAYERS THAT HE FACED THAT WAS 6'11 OR TALLER FROM 1961-1972 Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF Dennis Awtrey: 6'11" Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0" Nate Bowmen: 6'11" Mel Counts: 7'0" Walter Dukes: 7'0" Jim Eakins: 6'11" Ray Felix: 6'11" Hank Finkel: 7'0" Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF Swede Halbrook: 7'3" Reggie Harding: 7'0" Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF Jim McDaniels: 6'11" Otto Moore: 6'11" Dave Newmark: 7'0" Rich Niemann: 7'0" Billy Paultz: 6'11" Craig Raymond: 6'11" Elmore Smith: 7'0" Chuck Share: 6'11" Ronald Taylor: 7'1" Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF Walt Wesley: 6'11"
I have to disagree somewhat. Wilt would run circles around Shaquille, but he wouldn't outmuscle him. Wilt couldn't bully players like Shaq could. Wilt was more finesse than muscle.
justin daisy dont know what youve been reading,shaq was heavier and strong indeed but,wilt was stronger with good core lower body base.this guy could lift 500 pounds well into his 60s believe that.shaq was a semi,wilt was a 747,jumbo jet!
justin daisy what was shaq 7 foot 300 pounds wilt lifted a man 6"11 290 pounds off the ground like he was a coffee cup carried him away and said we're not gonna have any of that young fella and the man just replied with yes sir so yeah I'm pretty sure wilt was far far stronger than Shaq and that's not even going into his leaping ability and his wing span or anything else he'd bully shaq in the paint
Wilt CHOSE to use finesse. At least for the first 10 years of his career. His last few years with the Lakers he played at about 320 and used his muscle more often.
The problem is Ewing, Robison and Hakeem was better all around players period and Hakeem schooled him 4-0 in the finals. Hakeem and Robison both won rings before Shaq did. Shaq beat no top 75 center in the finals because they were all old or hurt. Shaq is much overrated. Shaq was not a skilled big man, only bullied and powered people out the way
I knew this Afghanistan white guy named knish who is 7ft. tall and 400lbs. and very big and massive like the big show in WWE wrestling. This guy is also a big bully. I wonder who would be stronger the Afghanistan guy knish or Wilt Chamberlain ?
Appreciate the follow up here and again will respectfully post these questions, comments for you. Using heresy for Wilt while selecting different time periods for Shaq is not a good start to make a comparison. To start, Arnold in his peak wasn't 4% body fat, Wilt wasn't close to that and body fat has nothing to with the game. Secondly, Phoenix Shaq was well past his peak/prime and I believe around 16 years into his career. Now when you're making your argument, this isn't one on one so not sure how Wilt would wear Shaq down? Shaq was much more advance offensively, and knew how to use his weight. Watch actual full game footage on Wilt, not highlight reel or stories that cannot be verified or are questioned by many, and interviewers question Wilt himself where Wilt admits of exaggeration to a point. Shaq played in the perimeter league, not the big man league. When you watch game film of Wilt, he is usually the only guy under the rim for the board and they clear out so he could challenge the shot. It's a big difference and again, Wilt himself was in 'awe' for how Shaq played the game. The problem I have with the Wilt is that the stories don't match the actual game footage of what he was supposed to do. Wilt kept himself is great shape, no one can argue this, but Shaq didn't just lean on you once in the post, he leaned on you from one side to the other...and repeat and repeat all game long. You hardly see anyone playing Wilt in this manner and because Wilt played all game long he could somehow take this because his bench press was so strong?? Bellamy, Thurmond, Russell, Gilmore, KAJ, etc, none of these guys played close to Shaq style and even at rookie stage, Shaq was still over 300 pounds. Take any version you want because Shaq outmatched Duncan, Robinson, Hakeem, YAO, Morning, Deke, Sabonis, and the list goes on. Point being, the only way they slowed Shaq down offensively was through Hack a Shaq and signing scrubs for 6 fouls. We have footage of Wilt being posted down, so why do you think the Shaq couldn't do it to Wilt? Shaq was a post master, that was his game and Wilt wouldn't have fared any differently. Rodman is a great example of what a lower center of gravity does and at times he certainly did bother Shaq, but not to the hyperbole everyone makes of it. I mean, we have the full footage. If you understand the game, watch how Wilt dribbled in the post versus Shaq. Wilt was a high dribble while looking at the rock. This is video evidence, while Shaq felt the defense and leaned for either a score, foul or sometimes offensive foul. But the truth is, they didn't know how to make calls against him because the league never had anyone like him before. Takes nothing away from Wilt but bench press means little based on his foundation. He had skinny long legs which filled out more by LA. Wilt was long which gives anyone a match up problem and was a great leaper and rebounder. But watch how the game was played, how long bigs stayed in the key and how there was always room for him to swing from side to side. This was by design and also because the game was much more inefficient. Guys ran up, saw Wilt and took a jumper. Then Wilt got the rebound. Some teams were hitting a higher percentage of 3's then previous teams of the 60's hitting fg%. It's not a slight, it's just context is needed and mass is mass my friend. No one used their body like Shaq and Shaq wouldn't just allow Wilt to wait to attempt to block the shot or grab the board. He'd be leaning on him all game even if it wasn't thrown into him. It would be a great match up either way. Respectfully
First, an old Sabonis handled Shaq. There is some question whether the refs gifted the Lakers a championship when they fouled out Sabonis in the game 7 against Portland, because Shaq was being managed by Sabonis. And funny people forget how Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman had success against Shaq.
Can we be realistic please. People who played with Wilt and against him, have already said, that Shaq is more dominant. Shaq would have three people hanging on him, and still dunk the ball. Wilt couldn't do that.
Only Phil Jackson said that, because Wilt humiliated him as the second-string center on the Knicks. Jerry West, and many other Wilt-era players who are still around always go with Wilt.
Justin, Wilt was known for dunking with guys hanging all over him. He took MUCH more abuse than Shaq ever could have handled and still played full games all season. Shaq couldn't handle the fouls and abuse that Wilt endured.
I didn't know Hakeem, Patrick and David Robinson were white; You are correct in saying Shaq was fat, more like obese and NEVER took conditioning seriously.
Putting Lebron ahead of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson is the funniest, most uniformed statement I've seen in a long time; You didn't see them play, and you have NO idea.
Ever hear of Bill Russell? Jerry West? Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor? Julius Erving? You don't know shit about basketball. Just keep playing your NBA video games.
You're pretty dumb. I'm not even going to argue with you. The only one in that group that you COULD be right about is Elgin Baylor. To think LeBron is not ahead of ANYBODY other than MJ shows that you are misinformed. You don't know what you're talking about therefore this will be the only response.
You sycophancy of Lebron just demonstrates your lack of NBA Knowledge clown; Larry Bird in his Prime was bigger, a superior shooter, passer, rebounder, help-defender by jumping passing lanes, free-throw shooting; Lebron has yet to shoot over %50, yet Bird did this his entire career, and Bird didn't take steroids which MANY players of Lebron's class have taken. Misinformed simple-simon? I've been studying the NBA for forty years and saw players such as Benard King, who would have destroyed Lebron. You are such an imbecile, but I won't let anything come between you and your delusions of blowing Lebron.
You NEVER saw Baylor play, and Jerry West who was waaayyy ahead of his time; Ever hear of the " Big O?" He averaged a Triple Double for an entire season. Lebron, for all his talent, still is a suspect shooter, and most surprisingly, has no post-up game to speak of; Go back to school, or sleep simple-simon.
Another good video Mike!
Wilt Chamberlain Archive Thank you!!
People who question Chamberlain's abilities NEVER saw him play and have NO IDEA; Bob Lanier, at 6'11 and 260lbs described his first meeting with Wilt in the post; " He moved me aside like I was an empty coffee cup." Shaq was the laziest, most unmotivated center when it came to off-season conditioning; He was traded multiple times, always demanding more money he didn't deserve, had an over-inflated opinion of himself and Phil Jackson has said Shaq was NEVER a worker and thought he blew what could have been an all time career. Wilt would have DESTROYED him. End of discussion.
Totally agree with this analysis 😊
Yao Ming actually did dominate Shaq. Yao Ming in his prime was disgustingly effective and hard to deal with, probably the 2nd best big man of all time, just with a sadly short career. He wasn't super athletic, but he took good care of himself, and he made even Shaq or Wilt look small, and had incredibly well polished skills, especially with shooting. With his enormous frame, he was a real nightmare on both ends of the court.
@@syncmonism - No he did not "dominate" Shaq. Not even close. Ming is a Hall of Famer, but he's not Shaq.
Shaq was grossly overweight most of his career. And he got away with murder. Never liked the way he played. He could have been like Wilt. But not disciplined
VictorLionsTV no Bob Lanier was 250 👌👉www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/laniebo01.html
Wilt using himself as a carjack so casually is freakish af
I think Jerry West said it best, and West wasn't just an old-time player defending his era. He was a GM for years, so he was very current, and he said he'd love to see a Wilt in his prime against 'todays players'. (He said this about 15 years ago). Said today's players would be embarrassed, and I believe him.
Young athletes have it easy with teaching sports on internet &teaching dvds stuff,
Only negative on Wilt is he dont want to hurt people. Imagine if he has barkley and malone mentality
Wilt was easy on bill Russell too,they were close friends
Excellent, Mike.
MY BACKGROUND AND "CREDS": My dad was a "rabid" fanatic of Mr. Basketball, George Mikan; and raised me on "all things Mikan". Born and raised in New Jersey, I got to see the Harlem Globetrotters LIVE a number of times in 1959 - they had this incredible "point guard" - what was his name, oh yeah, Wilt.
I "followed" him into the NBA. I went to high school, (Sept.) 1963 - (June) 1967, 30 miles northeast of Boston and got to see the great Bill Russell LIVE at the Gaaaden many times. (My strongest memory, by far, unfortunately is of the C's fans calling him the "N" word - it took Bill decades to "forgive" them; I still haven't.) I read literally everything available on the NBA back then (several newspapers' sports sections daily; sports magazines ...); and, living just outside NYC, we had the best NBA coverage in the world; and we NEVER missed a televised game (including tape-delayed ones). The games that weren't on TV, we listened to them on the radio.
WILT WAS THE #1 ATHLETE (ALL SPORTS) OF THE ENTIRE 20TH CENTURY: As to Wilt's physical accomplishments, I tend to doubt NONE of the major claims. I don't doubt that he was THE #1 ATHLETE (all sports) for the entire 20th century. I SAW him lift guys up (like dolls) with only one extended arm; soon after it happened, we read about him stopping an NBA fight by lifting up BOTH guys. He WAS the fastest guy in the League, the quickest, the strongest and with the most endurance/stamina.
And then there's the character of the man ON THE COURT. He lived in a world where if he swang hard at anybody, they'd NEVER recover - so, gentle giant that he was, he never did that. Back then, winning wasn't considered "everything"; and you weren't a "loser" if your team lost in the Play-Offs to the C's truly ALL-STAR team (EASILY THE team with the highest percent of League-wide All-Stars ever AND with era-wise, THE GREATEST COACH (& GM) EVER). The C's won many super-close games and series - and Red was EASILY worth 2-5 points a game over any other coach in his era.
An example of Wilt's friendly on-court attitude is that he would tend to play to the level of his opponent - instead of utterly dominating weaker centers (as he easily could have) he'd "let them score" so as to not demoralize them too much. I value that greatly over the "win at all costs" attitude of more modern times. OTOH, he DOMINATED Bill Russell. He only scored some 5 points per game less vs the Cs (an All-Time Great defensive team) than he did against the rest of the League - and they were ALWAYS throwing multiple defenders at him AND playing dirty (holding only to his uniform, bear-hugging him ...)
When people posit how Shaq would have done against Wilt, I picture this: Wilt would RISE to the challenge and just DOMINATE Shaq (as well as wear him out). People talk about if Wilt had access to modern training methods and medicine; but if he also played in an era where "winning is everything"; he would have racked up more Chips. Switch Wilt with Russell, and the C's win at least as many Chips, and Russell wins less Chips than Wilt.
And then there's the character of the man IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE: Wilt single-handedly (sometimes accompanied by a teammate) integrated first an entire major city, then a State then a region! He certainly did not have to, but he made it his SOP to enter "Whites ONLY" establishments and sit up front waiting to be served. He KNEW that every single time he did, he was risking his very life - Southerners were armed to the teeth and all too willing to take down a "doesn't know his place Negro".
So it just makes me laugh when people try to claim that Wilt was a "me-first" guy; who only cared about his personal stats and had troubles with all his coaches all the time. He lived by the HIGHEST MORAL CODE in society - regularly risking his very life, sacrificing for others; no bleeping way could he have been selfish on the court.
btw, if you're guessing I'm a Wilt-homer; on my GOAT list, I have Wilt as #6 and GOAT #2 Center (behind Kareem). My GOAT Top 16: 1. KAJ; 2. LBJ; 3. MJ; 4. Magic; 5. TD; 6. Wilt; 7. Dr J; 8. Kobe; 9. Big "O"; 10. K. Malone; 11 Shaq; 12. Jerry West; 13. Bird; 14. Stockton (for now); 15. Pettit; 16. Bill Russell.
The reason I can't rate Bill Russell higher is because he was DOMINATED at his own position in his own era. In the 9 years they both got ALL-NBA selections, Wilt got 7 First-Team selections to Russell's 2 - that's DOMINATION.
As someone who grew up in Lawrence, KS during the time Wilt played at KU, I can tell you that your comment about Wilt not doing weight training until he got to the pros is not true. At KU, a comtemporary of Wilt's was Bill Nieder, the first man to throw the shotput over 60 feet. Neider said that the only athlete at KU that he could not out-lift was Chamberlain. Wilt got into weight training much earlier than you indicated.
The man is no longer here to defend himself anymore either.
yeah, up until his death, people argued between him and MJ and it was pretty close even then
same goes for folks like Moses Malone who are slowly turning into dust
@@harmanjotsingh4230people superficial
Michael Sowell I love you. You recognize the greatness of Wilt. Greatness is too gentle a word though, he was simply the GOAT by far. 2nd is a tie between Bird, Magic, and Jordan. But Wilt is by far the most skilled, physically dominating player of all time. Thanks for these vids.
Well Wilt played normal many times and he could switch to the next level,we saw no player ever to switch to the other level that what makes him so dangerous.
I love your videos man. Your knowledge of the game is authentic. I'm not off the calendar quite yet with my age, so Ive never seen the 60s and 70s players. But I got all my knowledge of them from my dad who actually watched them play. His favorite player is MJ btw lol. But even he says no one compares to Wilt. It's a whole other subject when u ask him about anyone against Wilt. Keep making videos man. I'll always support u. Ur teaching the game to a generation that's not getting to see the game or hear a real opinion without and agenda behind it. 💯
That bullshit narrative that u cant be an effective offensive player w\o a 3 pt shot is just an example of how 3 pt happy fans have become demar derozan is a perfect example of a perimeter player surviving this era playing solely inside the arc but alot of fans are too busy creaming themselves whenever klay goes of for 60 on wide open threes notice
TheLilbigcat Exactly, I'll add Rondo, DWade's game has always been a mid range-post game.
dude created the fallaway and people think he wont adapt today
WILT CHAMBERLAIN HOF COMPETITION
1.BILL RUSSELL 6'10
2.NATE THURMOND 6'11
3.WALT BELLAMY 6'11
4.WILLIS REED 6'9
5.WES UNSELD 6'7
6.BOB LANIER 6'11
7.DAVE COWENS 6'9
8.KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR 7'2
9.ARTIST GILMORE 7'2
10.ZELMO BEATY 6'9
Thanks for putting this list together and posting it here :) please post this on all other Wilt related videos if u please!
i watch videos of wilt talking in 1997 when he was 61 and he looked like he could still avg 30 and 15 and he also said at that time if he played in that era he would avg 60 or 70 PPG and based on highlights i have no reason not to belive him so thats all my throughts
Wilt Chamberlain would beat Michael Jordan and Shaq at the same time by himself
I was living in Chicago during the Nineties and I watched pretty much every Bulls game during the six championship years. During the second trio of championships, when the Bulls had Rodman, the team would every time they played Shaw put Rodman on him for one quarter. They did this partly to wear Shaq down and partly because Rodman desperately wanted to take Shaq on for a quarter.
For that one quarter, Rodman would completely and totally shut Shaq down. Shaq would do almost nothing. Nothing. Maybe a trash bucket, but Rodman would block him out and keep him from getting any rebounds and would keep him out of position so he couldn't get any decent shots. It was the most incredible thing I've ever seen. And Rodman didn't do this once or twice, but again and again and again. At the time I told some of my younger friends, "That is what Bill Russell was like, except he could do it night after night after night, against any center in the league." And I think Russell and Rodman are one and two on the all time NBA rebounds per minutes. My point is that Shaq relied on his weight. And your points about Shaq's strength is dead on. He wasn't a very strong guy. He was a HUGE guy. Shaq was a really heavy guy who was coordinated and knew how to use his weight against smaller players. Wilt was a huge guy (320 pounds during the last several years of his career) who was extremely fast, very coordinated, quick, and freakishly fast. But the amazing thing is that Wilt was a finesse player. He could have done a ton of two-handed dunks except he was afraid of hurting people. Instead, he liked to move inside for quick one handed dunks or he would do finger rolls or he would shoot his fade away. I think Wilt would have been a better player if he had been more aggressive physically, but everyone who played with or against him says he was afraid of hurting people. He was strong enough to dunk despite a guy sticking his hand out to block the shot, but he was afraid of breaking the guy's arm. Shaq, on the other hand, was a lot more physical, but because he didn't possess Wilt's power, he wasn't the treat to hurt someone.
Bringing it all the way around, imagine Rodman guarding Wilt. As much as I came to admire Rodman as a player (my best friend's boyfriend bartended at a club that Rodman liked to visit, and he liked to get his drinks from her boyfriend; she says that Rodman was strange, but was also an extremely nice guy; strange but nice), you simply, can't imagine him containing Wilt. It's just pure physics. Wilt was bigger and - despite how strong Rodman was - a whole lot stronger. Being in great shape gave Rodman an advantage against Shaq, but it wouldn't be enough against Wilt. By the way, one reason Rodman was in such incredible shape was the fact that he kept exercising for ridiculous amounts of time each day. My friend and her boyfriend got invited to Rodman's apartment a couple of times and he kept an exercise bike in literally every room in the condo. As Rodman would go from room to room to talk to people, he would just jump on his exercise bike and start riding. He also had a leg press machine he'd go sit on. And all that paid off when he played. He was really one of the smaller small forwards in the league, but because he had some much lower body strength, you simply couldn't move him. If we were playing Utah and Rodman switched off to guard Malone, Malone wouldn't necessarily get the better of that match up. During those three years that he played for the Bulls, I was simply astonished at how smart he was. Yes, he was bonkers, but he may have been a genius on the court.
One other thing to keep in mind about Wilt vs. Shaq is that the rules changed a lot to give Shaq advantages that Wilt ever had. I mean, can you even imagine Wilt playing during Shaq's era, with the rules against hand checking? He was unstoppable during the years when he wanted to score a lot. He was even unstoppable during his last few years. I remember one of his last seasons. Jerry West sustained an injury that kept him from playing. Let me add: Jerry West ALWAYS played injured. People don't remember this now, but West was always playing with a broken nose or strain muscle or broken finger. He could TEAR a muscle and he would still play. But this particular season he hard surgery and had to sit down for six weeks. The Lakers were having trouble scoring. Wilt was still trying to be the passing pivot, with the offense running through him, but with him only scoring 20 a game or so. But it became obvious that with West and another leading scorer down, things had to change. So Wilt reverted for about 10 games to the Wilt of 1962 or 1964. He averaged well over 40 a game for that stretch. I saw him on national TV during that stretch where he scored around 50. But they didn't have West or Goodrich or someone else (McMillan?), so he had to generate points. A few games later West started suiting up again and Wilt's scoring went back down.
But I drift from my point which is that during most of his career Wilt had to score despite rules that were intended to make it harder for him to score. But during Shaq's career, they imposed rules that made it harder for people to guard him AND that allowed him to do things that would have been an offensive foul in previous decades. Had Wilt done a lot of the things that Shaq did, he would have been called for charging. That move Shaq made where he dipped his shoulder and shoved the defender out of the way would have been illegal for Wilt. But imagine Wilt being able to do that during the years when he was averaging 40 something a game.
One last comment. Think about the Decathlon. Specifically, think about Shaq participating int he Decathlon while he was at LSU. First off, he had no events that he was particularly good at. He wasn't even very good at the shot put, since he didn't have a lot of upper arm or chest strength. But now think about Wilt. Everyone knows about what he did participating in AAU track and field and when he was at Kansas. He was outstanding in the shot put, the quarter mile, and the high jump. He was even very good at the 100 yard dash, even though he struggled getting out of the blocks. He was decent in the mile. I don't know if he was any good at the hurdles, but it isn't hard to imagine him doing well at it given his long legs. Basically, Wilt would simply have needed to learn to pole vault in order to participate in the Decathlon. Shaq, on the other hand, has no events in which he could have participated in. I actually think Wilt might have become a championship sprinter. He was very, very fast when he was younger, before the wear and tear on the knees. In the fifties there was a bias against tall sprinters. In fact, O.J. Simpson was barely able to participate in track because he was around 6'3 . Tall sprinters, it was thought, couldn't get a good start out of the blocks and took too long to reach their top speed. So those guys were put in the 220 and 440. But you watch film of Wilt in high school or college, and he had a freakishly long stride. Shaq at the peak of his career could be impressive because of his enormous bulk and his coordination, but Wilt was so amazingly impressive in so many ways.
Sadly, I never saw Wilt in person. I did see Shaq once and I saw Artis Gilmore twice. I saw him in Louisville in 1975 when I was a first year seminary student at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, back when it was considered to be a first rate seminary (the fundamentalists have pretty much destroyed it since then, and all the good professors left for other schools). After that I transferred to Yale and got a masters and then got into the University of Chicago, where I went to work on a Ph.D. in Philosophy. My first month there I was having some health issues (severe headaches that were later found to be impacted wisdom teeth) and went to the hospital on campus to get looked at. I opened the door and there was Artis. He was playing for the Bulls at the time. He and Reggie Thesus were the big stars at the time. The first time I saw him he was outside, but for some reason seeing him indoors seemed to make him look bigger. He looked like a giant. I know that Shaq was bigger, but for some reason Artis looked bigger. Maybe it was the huge Afro. that added about five inches in height. I think Artis might be the most underrated center of all time right now. People simply don't remember him. I think he was hurt by playing in the ABA for so may seasons. But he was an excellent center. On the NBA site I see him listed 7'2 and 240. Hogwash! He was 7'2, but he had to be 280 or 290. And 7'7 with the Afro. If I remember correctly, he also sported some of the greatest sideburns in the history of the NBA. In fact, if I had to do an All Sideburn team, I'd start with Walt Frazier and Gilmore, and go on from there.
Wilt Chamberlain was a much better athlete than SHAQ
Thanks Mr. Sowell for another well-informed, articulate video. I was lucky enough to see Russell, Wilt and Shaq in their primes and can honestly concur with you with all parts of this video. Wilt and Russell were once asked how they would play Shaq and they both agreed that running Shaq hard up and down the court all night would wear him out to the point of severely impacting his overall game. Wilt was a physical fitness freak and was completely confident in his skills to dominate anyone from the past through the present(up until he passed). E solo la mia opinione. Peace.
Great vid Mike its really sad that a lot of the problem with people not being able to understand wilt , russell, gilmore ect. They don't want to take the time to educate themselves about these men. I know a guy I work with and told him he should check out your channel and the wilt chamberlain channel because he always want to talk nba basketball yet he didn't know the history of the game. I would go up to him from time to time and ask Hey man you sign up to those youtube channels yet? he would say Nahh I haven't had time. SMH
Dennis was 6"6 i thought
he is
hes wilt numbers from 1959 to 1966 most domanite strech of years by any player in nba history
1959-60 37.6 PPG 27 RPG 46.1 FG
1960-61 38.4 PPG 27.2 RPG 50.9 FG
1961-62 50.4 PPG 25.7 RPG 50.4 FG
1962-63 44.8 PPG 24.3 RPG 52.8 FG
1963-64 36.9 PPG 22.3 RPG 52.4 FG
1964-65 34.7 PPG 22.9 RPG 51 FG
1965-66 33.5 PPG 24.6 RPG 54 FG
@Jesus Saldana ummm he avg a FG% over 50%. Notice also how PPG went down as the team got better, so he didn't have to score as much. And how many centers have won the assist title, 1, guess who that was.
Ask Kareem or Bill Russell then get back to me.
@Jesus Saldana then tell the NBA that he didn't win that year. And again, as his team's got better, he scored less.
@Jesus Saldana I agree teams win. MJ learned that lesson. But Wilt shot on those early teams because he didn't have a team like the Celtics. And Kareem and Wilt had a strange relationship, at one time he was Kareem 's mentor. And I notice you didn't acknowledge that Wilt blocked his shot.
@Jesus Saldana actually he did. Had these 60 pt game against the Celtics and lost. Never saw that again once Scotty and co. Came onboarding.
They will both get the best of each other so it won’t be clear Winner
Wilt vs. Slim '92 Shaq would be a great 1on1 to see if Wilt was playing in Shaq's era
Early 1960s wilt vs Shaquille o'neal
Wilt also knew how to use leverage
Watched this video again and am still impressed with the way you convey your beliefs and back them up with facts. Really, any present and past NBA fan can't dispute any of these points that you make. You keep plugging away and maybe you will convince these young fans who the greatest center in the history of the NBA is. E solo la mia opinione. Pace.
Wilt would definitely wear out Shaq no question.
Doknot1999 wilt was super strong. Wilt was s better defender. Shot locker
TOP 10 PLAYERS ALL TIME
MICHAEL HES MY LIST AND IM 17
10 KD
9 KOBE
8 TIM
7 SHAQ
6 BILL
5 MAGIC
4 KAREEM
3 LEBRON
2 MICHAEL
1 WILT
william hardenbergh I like your list, but I'm not sure Durant has done enough quite yet to be a top 10 NBA player.
fair enough
MICHAEL SOWELL. Shaq had a lower center of gravity, while Wilt had greater upper body strength.
william hardenbergh ur list is trash bruh lol no larry bird or hakeem who torched shaq nd carried rockets two years straight championship lol nd wtf Kareem definitely better than wilt lol the lebron ranking is laughable 3-5 nd choked two years staright versus celtics than mavs finals nd Tim duncan not better than kobe and is better than shaq horrible man wtf have u been watching the last 20 years wikipedia lol
william hardenbergh more like
1.Kobe
2.MJ
3.Kareem
4.Magic
5.Bill
6.Larry bird
7.Tim Duncan
8.Wilt
9.Hakeem
10.Shaq
15.Lebron
I'm glad to hear someone finally speaking the truth about the Dipper. Grew up watching him and saw him play live. Anyone who saw him in his prime knows the truth, but so many on YT grew up in the 90's and seem to think anything done in sports prior to them had to be inferior for some reason. Thanks for putting this out. I would like to hear what you think of my other basketball hero; Oscar Robertson.
as a sixteen year old, hands down
Wilt is the best center all time, Kareem the greatest, Hakeem the skilled, and Russell with the most heart
Do you known how cramp up the lane is when there's no three point shots
I don't know who would win but Shaq did hold his own against all the of top centers from the 80's draft classes. I remember reading about Wilt in the early 90's the 100 point game always came up.
Wilt vs. Shaq would be a great match-up. Shaq was a talented athlete in his own right. He had agility and good ball-handling skills for a man his size. Did Wilt "wear out" Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed and Kareem Abdul Jabbar? I think Shaq was more competitive in his match-ups with top big men.
Rashid Sundiata very good point
I can't believe we are even comparing the two. Shaq at his best prime diesel couldn't handle Yao Ming. Man Wilt would've eat up both Yao and Shaq all day and take a break then take on more. Wilt picked up two grown basketball players one on each hand at the same time. Let me see any basketball player today do it with one arm. Only Andre the giant was of similar strength. In his 50s was still bench pressing more than Shaq in his prime. Thank you sir for defending the legacy of probably the 🐐 and it's a shame they don't include him in the recent conversations. Wilt created the bar. People thought that Wilt was just going to e the nom at the time and didn't truly appreciate him. He was living as a Giant
Wilt versus any player from any era is a slaughter in favor of Wilt. He is before my time, but based on everything that I've been to see on him (his game film and highlights) there is no player who can or could handle him 1 vs 1. It simply doesn't exist. I think he would shut out most of the greatest to ever play, past, present, and future.
RESPECT TO THE LEGEND WILT CHAMBERLAIN!!!!!
Honestly, I thought Kareem was more dominant than Shaq.
CHAMBERLAIN WOULD DOMINATE O'Neal with easy is this a joke? LOL!!!!! CHAMBERLAIN IS THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME!!!!!
Better go watch a Shaq highlight buddy. If you need an eye test please do. Nobody in there right mind can look at wilt & Shaq and think wilt can hold him.
Wilt work with arnold schzenegger wilt in in his 40s, 6 months, early 1960s wilt would chew up Shaquille o'Neil like a piece of streak,put Shaquille o'neal in his stomach
@@DNikos WILT CHAMBERLAIN almost dislocated shaq's shoulder when he shook his hand AND WILT CHAMBERLAIN was 50 yrs old .LOL !!!
@@DNikos WILT CHAMBERLAIN AVERAGED 46 .3 MINTUES A GAME FOR HIS CAREER . THAT IS A NBA RECORD. SHAQ WAS LAZY AND UNDISCIPLINE THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON WHY KOBE BRYANT HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIM. WILT CHAMBERLAIN WOULD HAVE DESTROYED SHAQ .
To add to your Rodman arguement Malik Rose was another guy that Shaq had issues with, also Rick Smits gave Shaq issues, Shaq has admitted that Malik and Rick gave him issues, 3D has also stated the same on Rick. To me there's is no doubt that Wilt would dominate Shaq, that's because Wilt wasn't only a basketball player Wilt was an all around athlete who loved to train his body and loved being in great shape. Lastly, Sampras is my all time favorite tennis player, but I it hurts me to admit that Federer has surpassed Sampras, those Federer vs Nadal matches are by far the best I've ever seen. On the three point argument Barkley developed that shot, it became a reliable aspect of his game it was his three point shot that advanced the Suns to the finals against the Spurs, I concur with everything you have said and thank you for dropping some sense with people's useless arguments.
When Shaq came in the league, in the 7 games that Shaq faced David Robinson (before Tim Duncan joined the Spurs), Robinson outscored Shaq in 6 out of 7 of those games. In the head to head matchups between Shaq and Duncan, Duncan averaged more points than Shaq in regular season and playoffs. Hakeem outscored Shaq in their Finals series. If Wilt and Shaq matched up, Shaq would get his but not all the time, and Wilt would win that matchup.
Wilt was easy on bill Russell too they were close friends , used to have dinner before basketball games
One thing Phil Jackson is wrong about - had Shaq worked out every waking moment he wasn't at a game - he would still never be ahead of Chamberlain.
Would not matter what version of Shaq play Wilt would have destroy Shaw hands down
Great video, keep up the good work ✊
Suarezjo11 Thanks!
Federer is the GOAT of Tennis
Yo Wilt Chamberlain was a total beast in basketball. The guy was way more athletic, could shot free throws, could shot the hook shot, could shot a close range shot, he could lay it up with each hand, could dunk from the free throw line. It doesn't matter which shaq it is Wilt Chamberlain would still dominate.
Wilt Chamberlain played with whites during the time of high racial and bigotry was in this society. Do you honestly think those white players were not trying to hurt him while they played with white referees. Use common sense people. Like what these Europeans tried to do to Pele the greatest soccer player of all times
what would you correct on my list michael sowell
i have to say kd is my favorite player and i am biggest fan boy of him so i will admit im biases but everyone elase im unbiases
I agree Shaq plain wasn't as strong as Wilt but man Parish was facing rook Shaq and said that, not 99-03 sized Shaq etc. I still agree but let's put shit in perspective yo
ProtectedSouls4 Parish didn't retire until 1997 though. Let's just agree to disagree.
I know but didn't Parish have that statement said in '93? don't get me wrong I know Wilt trumps Shaq as uber athlete
You want to talk about endurance and conditioning? Look no further than Robert " The chief " Parish, who played against Shaq, and even in his forties could out-run him and get his high-arching jump shot over him.
no doubt Parish career 76-97 he was built to last. might have most gms played or at least in the top 3. one of the best bigs at filling the lanes/run floor, underrated defender and solid rebounder for career. I always said that I'd take him over Dwight big doofus Howard any day!
There is absolutely no doubt Wilt would have wore Shaq out, Wilt is probably the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA, Wilt's strength was incredible, Arnold Schwarzenegger said that Wilt would work out in the gym while they were filming Conan and he was making some of the strong guys in there look silly, In my opinion Wilt is the greatest player to have ever played the game, If you look at all the footage and read up on him, I have no doubt what I m saying is true.
WILT CHAMBERLAIN'S PLAYERS THAT HE FACED THAT WAS 6'11 OR TALLER
FROM 1961-1972
Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF
Dennis Awtrey: 6'11"
Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF
Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0"
Nate Bowmen: 6'11"
Mel Counts: 7'0"
Walter Dukes: 7'0"
Jim Eakins: 6'11"
Ray Felix: 6'11"
Hank Finkel: 7'0"
Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF
Swede Halbrook: 7'3"
Reggie Harding: 7'0"
Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF
Jim McDaniels: 6'11"
Otto Moore: 6'11"
Dave Newmark: 7'0"
Rich Niemann: 7'0"
Billy Paultz: 6'11"
Craig Raymond: 6'11"
Elmore Smith: 7'0"
Chuck Share: 6'11"
Ronald Taylor: 7'1"
Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF
Walt Wesley: 6'11"
with shoes 7'3
Wilt only played against Gilmore in the NBA/ABA exhibition game, but great job on that list.
I have to disagree somewhat. Wilt would run circles around Shaquille, but he wouldn't outmuscle him. Wilt couldn't bully players like Shaq could. Wilt was more finesse than muscle.
justin daisy dont know what youve been reading,shaq was heavier and strong indeed but,wilt was stronger with good core lower body base.this guy could lift 500 pounds well into his 60s believe that.shaq was a semi,wilt was a 747,jumbo jet!
justin daisy what was shaq 7 foot 300 pounds wilt lifted a man 6"11 290 pounds off the ground like he was a coffee cup carried him away and said we're not gonna have any of that young fella and the man just replied with yes sir so yeah I'm pretty sure wilt was far far stronger than Shaq and that's not even going into his leaping ability and his wing span or anything else he'd bully shaq in the paint
Wilt CHOSE to use finesse. At least for the first 10 years of his career. His last few years with the Lakers he played at about 320 and used his muscle more often.
Wilt could bully players. He chose to use finesse. The refs also didn't allow him to get away with the type of crap that Shaq did.
The problem is Ewing, Robison and Hakeem was better all around players period and Hakeem schooled him 4-0 in the finals. Hakeem and Robison both won rings before Shaq did. Shaq beat no top 75 center in the finals because they were all old or hurt. Shaq is much overrated. Shaq was not a skilled big man, only bullied and powered people out the way
Strength ? LOL!!! CHAMBERLAIN at 58 yrs old was bench pressing 460 at 58 yrs old REALLY o Neal has problems walking to chair at tnt .studios LOL!!!!
I knew this Afghanistan white guy named knish who is 7ft. tall and 400lbs. and very big and massive like the big show in WWE wrestling. This guy is also a big bully. I wonder who would be stronger the Afghanistan guy knish or Wilt Chamberlain ?
Even rookie wilt chamberlain wil dominate shaq wilt was bench pressing over 490 in college
Appreciate the follow up here and again will respectfully post these questions, comments for you. Using heresy for Wilt while selecting different time periods for Shaq is not a good start to make a comparison. To start, Arnold in his peak wasn't 4% body fat, Wilt wasn't close to that and body fat has nothing to with the game. Secondly, Phoenix Shaq was well past his peak/prime and I believe around 16 years into his career. Now when you're making your argument, this isn't one on one so not sure how Wilt would wear Shaq down? Shaq was much more advance offensively, and knew how to use his weight. Watch actual full game footage on Wilt, not highlight reel or stories that cannot be verified or are questioned by many, and interviewers question Wilt himself where Wilt admits of exaggeration to a point. Shaq played in the perimeter league, not the big man league. When you watch game film of Wilt, he is usually the only guy under the rim for the board and they clear out so he could challenge the shot. It's a big difference and again, Wilt himself was in 'awe' for how Shaq played the game. The problem I have with the Wilt is that the stories don't match the actual game footage of what he was supposed to do. Wilt kept himself is great shape, no one can argue this, but Shaq didn't just lean on you once in the post, he leaned on you from one side to the other...and repeat and repeat all game long. You hardly see anyone playing Wilt in this manner and because Wilt played all game long he could somehow take this because his bench press was so strong?? Bellamy, Thurmond, Russell, Gilmore, KAJ, etc, none of these guys played close to Shaq style and even at rookie stage, Shaq was still over 300 pounds. Take any version you want because Shaq outmatched Duncan, Robinson, Hakeem, YAO, Morning, Deke, Sabonis, and the list goes on. Point being, the only way they slowed Shaq down offensively was through Hack a Shaq and signing scrubs for 6 fouls. We have footage of Wilt being posted down, so why do you think the Shaq couldn't do it to Wilt? Shaq was a post master, that was his game and Wilt wouldn't have fared any differently. Rodman is a great example of what a lower center of gravity does and at times he certainly did bother Shaq, but not to the hyperbole everyone makes of it. I mean, we have the full footage. If you understand the game, watch how Wilt dribbled in the post versus Shaq. Wilt was a high dribble while looking at the rock. This is video evidence, while Shaq felt the defense and leaned for either a score, foul or sometimes offensive foul. But the truth is, they didn't know how to make calls against him because the league never had anyone like him before. Takes nothing away from Wilt but bench press means little based on his foundation. He had skinny long legs which filled out more by LA. Wilt was long which gives anyone a match up problem and was a great leaper and rebounder. But watch how the game was played, how long bigs stayed in the key and how there was always room for him to swing from side to side. This was by design and also because the game was much more inefficient. Guys ran up, saw Wilt and took a jumper. Then Wilt got the rebound. Some teams were hitting a higher percentage of 3's then previous teams of the 60's hitting fg%. It's not a slight, it's just context is needed and mass is mass my friend. No one used their body like Shaq and Shaq wouldn't just allow Wilt to wait to attempt to block the shot or grab the board. He'd be leaning on him all game even if it wasn't thrown into him. It would be a great match up either way. Respectfully
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First, an old Sabonis handled Shaq. There is some question whether the refs gifted the Lakers a championship when they fouled out Sabonis in the game 7 against Portland, because Shaq was being managed by Sabonis. And funny people forget how Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman had success against Shaq.
Shaq lazy and because of that he does not belong on Mt Rushmore. Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Big Mo, the Dream....that's it.
Can we be realistic please. People who played with Wilt and against him, have already said, that Shaq is more dominant. Shaq would have three people hanging on him, and still dunk the ball. Wilt couldn't do that.
Only Phil Jackson said that, because Wilt humiliated him as the second-string center on the Knicks. Jerry West, and many other Wilt-era players who are still around always go with Wilt.
Justin, Wilt was known for dunking with guys hanging all over him. He took MUCH more abuse than Shaq ever could have handled and still played full games all season. Shaq couldn't handle the fouls and abuse that Wilt endured.
Love 2 know which players have said that. And Shaq never dislocated anyone's shoulder from a block.
Wilt would NOT bully prime Shaq sorry, nobody could bully that beast.
Very true Billy!
Ahnold Short I still laughing at this... Wilt would destroy shaq...
LOL.. yes, he would.
I agree shaq was just fat facing white boys wilt was the most dominant all time better skills definitely
I didn't know Hakeem, Patrick and David Robinson were white; You are correct in saying Shaq was fat, more like obese and NEVER took conditioning seriously.
@@johnflanagan9153 he was only "fat" one year off injury. Name another
TOP PLAYERS ALL TIME:
1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Shaquille
6. KD
7. Timmy
8. Larry Legend
9. Magic
10. Dirk
Bonus: Wade
Putting Lebron ahead of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson is the funniest, most uniformed statement I've seen in a long time; You didn't see them play, and you have NO idea.
Ever hear of Bill Russell? Jerry West? Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor? Julius Erving? You don't know shit about basketball. Just keep playing your NBA video games.
You're pretty dumb. I'm not even going to argue with you. The only one in that group that you COULD be right about is Elgin Baylor. To think LeBron is not ahead of ANYBODY other than MJ shows that you are misinformed. You don't know what you're talking about therefore this will be the only response.
You sycophancy of Lebron just demonstrates your lack of NBA Knowledge clown; Larry Bird in his Prime was bigger, a superior shooter, passer, rebounder, help-defender by jumping passing lanes, free-throw shooting; Lebron has yet to shoot over %50, yet Bird did this his entire career, and Bird didn't take steroids which MANY players of Lebron's class have taken. Misinformed simple-simon? I've been studying the NBA for forty years and saw players such as Benard King, who would have destroyed Lebron. You are such an imbecile, but I won't let anything come between you and your delusions of blowing Lebron.
You NEVER saw Baylor play, and Jerry West who was waaayyy ahead of his time; Ever hear of the " Big O?" He averaged a Triple Double for an entire season. Lebron, for all his talent, still is a suspect shooter, and most surprisingly, has no post-up game to speak of; Go back to school, or sleep simple-simon.