If these events are under contracts negotiated before they left, then ADOR should still be getting paid by the brands. As long as the company gets their money for already agreed upon work with the artists, there's no reason to sue and no damages to recover. ADOR is probably even paying the members their share of the brand money, just to show that the company is abiding by the terms of the work contract.
Ador signed Omega. Omega was approached to bypass Ador by the manager who wiped the company laptop clean before returning it to Ador. We all know that attempt failed.
@@HailToTheMeepcan you explain why Omega is omitting the group name entirely still even if you look at their past ambassador ships individually the group name is always somewhere but even on the site and their social media accounts it only says Danielle Marsh no NewJeans name anywhere
No way Ador would go after Omega. Why would they risk jeopardising future brand endorsements with them? Omega is owned by The Swatch group which includes other luxury brands like Blancpain, Breguet, Tissot, Longines, etc. It would be completely stupid of them to burn that bridge.
This legal game of chicken is fascinating. The two parties have taken almost opposite strategies. I'm so curious about how the court proceedings will go. Personally, I think Ador will wait for the contract to be decided by the court before suing anyone else. If they win, then they have a basis to say what and who violated the contract and when. Having a solid foundation is everything.
Lawyer of Seoul gives an analysis of the outcome of a potential case, and has advised the NJ girls to get independent legal advice, as no lawyer with any ethics working for the girls would recommend the actions they are taking. He stated Ador will win, and a penalty will be required to be paid if they want to be released.
One of the more sensible approaches to the issues I've seen. So tired of people claiming New Jeans is somehow free when it's clear that there's a legal fight in the works and that no other label will deal with them until that's cleared. Also, apparently the rogue ADOR employee was reported to ADOR by the brand he was trying to pull in. It sounds like whatever brand that was values the ongoing ADOR/HYBE connection more than having a single brand deal with New Jeans. Personally I doubt it was Omega as agreeing on a brand ambassadorship takes more than a couple weeks.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video 🥹🙏🏾 No for real though, I'm like something doesn't become true just because you said it with conviction 🤧 Also, that's very fair tbh! I admittedly wasn't too sure on the Omega situation, but what you said makes total sense - I think ADOR themselves should try to make things clearer though, it's weird they didn't promote the Vogue release until after it was already on the NJs' IG - but maybe the girls just posted ahead of schedule too 🤔
I feel like the visa situation should have been something they talked about during the conference or something, this was one of the first things i thought about when they talked about the contract being terminated. I hate that these girls are making these decisions and, unfortunately, giving the impression of spoiled young women who can't get what they want. All I want is for ador and NewJeans to separate officially, and stop giving them the publicity and empathy they are looking for because I'm over it.
Yeah, I heard that a new album was in the works for them with another tour next year... Man, I hope they get none of that handed to them after all they've done. They're free to do as they like in the future, but hope Ador doesn't hand them anything else.
The press conference they did was a whole lot of nothing to begin with, and they were probably hoping this issue would fly under the radar so I'm not surprised they didn't mention it. And at this point, I'm finding it harder to give them grace, I think they *are* becoming spoiled young women because they've been put into an echo chamber that is encouraging their self destruction. As much as I agree that I'd like this to be over sooner rather than later, I actually doubt leaving ADOR would ever be good for NJs, they've already branded themselves as trouble and everything they do moving forward would have to be self-managed, and a narcissist like MHJ will never put herself in harms way to help them.
I think the album and stuff is more ADOR working for their own sake, at the end of the day, the profits are where their paychecks come from. Even if they let go of NJs in the end, they aren't going to do it unless it's in exchange for the huge termination penalty - they do not care about the girls.
@@TheHaniverse that’s true, the conference did nothing but show us that the girls KNOW nothing. But the fact that they think things like this would go unquestioned makes me think that they don’t take Kpop fans or the public as thinking individuals?? Like do you actually think this situation wouldn’t come up at all? The journalists at the conference were immediately confronting the girls with their positions because it didn’t make sense from the beginning. This situation is far from over but my birthday is in June and I’m gonna need this to be significantly farther than it is right now so my birthday will be fun 😂but on a serious note I don’t believe they actually understand what leaving ador means and terminating their contract. I’ve seen them post on their ‘new’ account being at the HYBE building and such, so I’m hoping the reality check come sooner than later because I hate to see when people are obviously wrong, feel like they’re right because that comes with entitlement and arrogance and they’ll be in for a rude awakening when MHJ doesn’t show up for them
@@TheHaniverse 100% ADOR (or any of these other companies) actually care for the artist. They can find others to fit the image the previous one did. They want to make sure that get the most amount of money from them they can. But ADOR is also tryna to hold on to their side of the contract as well, which is plan for the next year/comback
it would be stupid of vouge to make an enemy out of hybe because of all the artist they have who sell well. if they some day need another cover shoot of a group more popular than nj like BTS they could just deny it and go for another brand instead. to put all their money in one basket is stupid especially when we don´t know if mhj will be found guilty or not. it would affect all brands. so i hope for them that it was just an old agreement shoot they had already planned. and for it to still happen and not et a blank issue out, they where forced to only write the names of the members which caused the delay. they have covered other hybe artists before so i found it strange if they deliberately get on their bad side. but did ador make a statement about vouge? maybe they already knew and allowed them to print it anyway so that hybe artist could still get sponsorships with them. but idk how it works. hybe works slow but once they are ready they strike with a airtight blow. like they did with mhj and firering her.
Yes, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. I'm also very interested in finding out if the shoot was done earlier and was approved... Or not. Seems suspicious that they didn't state the group name or give credit to anyone but mhj.
I'm like 99% sure it was an existing schedule because ADOR shared the vogue tweet on the official NJs twitter account. I think the only thing to be confirmed is did they credit ADOR inside the magazine or not. I totally agree it would be stupid for them not to, I think this really became an issue because NJs shared the images first on their unofficial IG account, when normally the company would be the one to announce things like this first. I agree that Vogue wouldn't try to burn bridge over NJs, it would not be worth it. In ADOR's statement, they mentioned the IG account causing confusion rather than calling out Vogue directly, so I think it's more 'how things went down' that they're made about. Also yes, whatever the case may be, HYBE and ADOR will absolutely not shoot until they have a bullseye.
Well, as far as their visas are concerned, they should have thought about that earlier instead of making such a big drama and now trying to find a new solution as quickly as possible. Happy New Year to everyone.🎉🎉🎉
Firstly, your @ 😭💜 Secondly, absolutely 💯 if they hadn't thought of this before, at least they still have time and options lolol And finally, happy new year to you too 💜
it kind of shows a lot of sillyness that comes with foreigners trying to be idols not saying they shouldnt but it just keeps proving that they dont know how to handle the idol lifestyle very well and clearly dont know a lot of the contractual rules that they have to follow again why did they become idols if they knew they had to sort through all of this nonsense? if its not a pr stunt then i dont know what is
@ I don't think it's because of foreigners' stupidity. It's simply because one person is stupid that they believe everything another person says, no matter how badly they say about them.
Los padres se involucraron con MHJ de manera laboral, haciendo imposible separar, así que cuando MHJ enfrente los juicios, NJ va a ser arrastrando. Los padres realmente, les fallaron a sus hijas.
I couldn't agree more :/ but, there's still hope that one of the NJs dads was the one who leaked the messages to Dispatch, so maybe they're starting to realise MHJ is no good for their daughters..
3:52 does this mean that, by appearing independently alongside the other girls on Kim Hyun-jung's News Show on Sports Chosun, on 12/24/24, an appearance that ADOR has stated was done without discussing it with the company or notifying them in advance, Hanni has already broken the stipulations of her E-6 visa even though ADOR is still sponsoring her? Since she performed on a show without ADOR’s prior knowledge, that would count as working as an entertainer. Would whether or not they were paid for their independent appearance factor into that? And if so, what could the consequences of her defying her visa in this way be?
Ooh great point and question! If she got paid, then yes, it would count as her breaking her visa and working illegally if there is not contract with ADOR, but someone would still need to report her for it to be recorded. The most likely punishment is just a fine though, and the amount of the fine would be dependant on if it was her first offense and how much she made. In the case of a huge fine, it could hinder her from getting an E6 visa again, but I doubt it would be that big. It also absolutely wouldnt stop her getting one of the investment visas!
I think that the main problem here is not even the possibility of getting another visa but instead her claims of contract termination. If she argues that her contract is terminated, she is already in violation of immigration laws. The fact that she’s still using her visa issued through ador is a direct contradiction of her own claims that her contract was terminated in November since the fact that without a valid contract, there’s no visa. This is something that only Hanni has to deal with it and there’s nothing requiring the court to rule in he same way for all NJ members. if the chances of them winning the lawsuit are very low already, Hanni chances are even lower than the others since the status and conditions of her foreign visa are very specific.
Yes, I agree with you except her original visa is valid until ADOR reports the contract termination - even if Hanni herself believes it terminated, it's the sponsor's (ie ADOR's) duty to report it to immigration which they obviously won't do. Also I disagree about the court not ruling the same way for all members, their contracts will have the same terms so if ador violated their duties, that would be the same for all the girls - but like you said, the chance of that is very low anyway. (That being said, them losing would mean the contract is still valid, hence her visa is also.) The reality is, while ADOR will not report the contract as terminated, Hanni's visa will run out long before the court ruling, and she will have to find another visa for the meantime. As discussed in my video, the best options for her are the F-series visas, that allow her to do any financial activities she wants, so she can continue being an idol.
Happy New Year, everyone! 🎉 I hope 2025 brings you all your hearts desires, and life treats you a little softer. I'm curious if any of you have any major new years resolutions or goals? :3 if so, feel to comment them so we can keep each other accountable! 😂 (My main goal was mentioned in the video! 😉)
I do have one. This year I want to be accountable not just to the people around me but to myself. I want to make plans and stick to them rather than finding excuses for my procrastination. And I'm going to try to reach out to my friends more, yunno, to communicate with them now and again. Maybe it might just help fuel my social battery or not. Or my anxiety. 😂 I just want to be better than my previous version. Give this year my all in everything.
That's a great goal 🥹💪🏾 all the best! I did a similar thing last year, particularly with the communication. I'm honestly not the best at making plans with people and I prefer being alone so I always turn now invites, but last year I said I couldnt reject invites, only reschedule and it ended up being a great year, so I hope you get to have a similar experience! 🙏🏾💜 Accountability is definitely one of mind this year too, and that'll ultimately be shown through this channel 😅 wish me luck!
Given all the instability in Korea and the state of the won, I would imagine the country wants to project the image of 'business as usual.' You cannot have havoc unfolding with respect to fundamentals of contract law as well as political drama at the same time - it's very unsettling for investors both within and outside the country. I just read headlines in the NYTimes about the president not cooperating with investigators, so it's getting messier and messier. I don't know if any of this would finally impact NJ's case (and MHJ's - remember her?) but I do think anyone who's not a stan and is actually putting money on the line is looking for signs of normalcy. We'll see. Also, I really appreciate the detail with which you've laid out the visa types and application processes. Maybe her residency visa application process is underway, maybe it isn't. But if she's hanging around on an Ador visa (she's technically within her rights to do so) while terminating a contract via press conference and saying 'no obligations apply!,' that just isn't a good look.
Oh I completely agree with you, mind you investor confidence in Korea (not just kpop) has BEEN low throughout 2024, and add the possibility of conflict between China-Taiwan before 2030 and the fact Korea would almost definitely have to get involved, literally EVERYTHING is a mess in Korea right now. I agree that maintaining status quo is very important, and in this case, HYBE is an industry leader, so anything ADOR does reflects on the company which reflects on the whole industry - I think that's why they're not being as aggressive as they could be. In regards to the residency visas, F-2 processes pretty fast - I got mine in just 2 weeks and received my ID card a week later, but I know the average processing time is 1 month. In the case of an F-5, it's supposed to take about twice as long, but regardless, she has a legally binding contract she has to honour even if ADOR isn't her visa sponsor.
Must be a challenging time to be an ordinary Korean citizen - even if you aren't personally affected, there is still such a thing as a national mood. For K-Pop overall, it feels like a lot is riding on BTS' comeback. Newspapers are already making predictions while they're still serving in the military, so the macro level jitters are showing. I hope your new year is off to a better start, at least! Thanks again for your videos and content, have subscribed and am looking forward to your analysis.
@Chingooze2022 Couldn't agree more, there's so much uncertainty in so many things at the moment - people are genuinely thanking tourists for visiting and stimulating the economy in these turbulent times, it's very somber here >< Oh absolutely, I have faith in their ability to make a strong return, both as a fan and just as an industry observer, but at the same time, the pressure shouldn't need to be on them :/ It has, thank you so much, I hope yours is going well too! 🥰 and thank you! I'm going to be mixing in other types of content soon, but I will continue to cover this story closely too!
42:35 The members are still living in Ador's dorm and using Ador's facilities and staff. Chosun Ilbo 어도어 지원 받고, 활동은 맘대로?… 계약해지 됐다는 ‘뉴진스’ 이래도 될까, December 25, 2024.
Unfortunately, the contract judicial review result will be at fastest 2 years. Unless some force can request to fasten the process up due to the damage these brings to the overall kpop and SK investment scene
Yes, this is what I'm worried about - how much damage will this case do to the rest of the industry in the time we're waiting for a result. Not to mention if NJs were to actually win (hypothetically!)
New subscriber here! Love how you are covering this NJ/ Ador/ Hybe and MHJ situation. Love how your commentary is presented. It gives well researched, knowledgeable, mature and just well done. Looking foward to more content. Finally happy new year to all and hoping we all have a fruitful and wonderful 2025 🎉
Thank you so much 🥹🙏🏾💜💙 I'm still new to commentary so I tried to fact check and not try to be a know it all 🤧 I'm glad you've found the videos enjoyable and informative 🥺 I hope you have a wonderful year ahead too! ✨️🥳
It would be amazing if once Ador wins on the fact the contract is valid, NJ returns. What will Ador do then since the members have openly declared war on them, made their contempt for the new CEO clear, and openly despise the non-MHJ staff? If they shut down jeanzforfree, NJ can say they have been silenced. If they made new music/world tour (as promised by Ador in its public statements) the NJ members would make it clear to the world its under duress. If Hybe dungeons them for the remainder of their contract, then NJ can say that was their plan all along.
Great question, but I think the main things to consider is sympathy and perception. If the court rules that ADOR was right, that also means NewJeans never had any reason to complain to begin with and that they weren't mistreated, they were just acting out. This would paint them as ungrateful brats who threw a legal tantrum because they didn't get their way, and some people already see them like that. Rather than a victim being silenced, it's a brat being disciplined. Rather than oppressed idols fighting their oppressive company, its a company taking the necessary measures to put them in check, so there's no duress. Basically the court ruling would change the optics bc its not longer a he-said she-said, its just business. At that point, NJs can either suck it up and do their job, continue throwing tantrums and get sued for misconduct, or pay the termination fee and just leave ador all together.
@@TheHaniverse Their fanbase though will always see them as victims no matter the courts. I've always said if NJ was smart they would force Hybe/Ador to live up to the many promises they've made - including albums/tour/A-list producers etc. - and wait it out for 5 years while building up their personal brand, and THEN walk away. MHJ is a brilliant marketer (give her that) and NJ was built for a global audience in a way Illit/Les Serrafim/IVE are not so they could dominate the charts still, BUT they've clearly been brainwashed and I really believe these girls would rather pay the penalty and have their music careers go the way of the ex-50/50 members rather than "betray" MHJ (who could care less about them).
@J_Benn oh I've always said the same thing! That's exactly what i spoke about in my previous video, regardless of if ador is bad or not, they have resources that NewJeans could milk dry for 5 years, and walk away with money, connections and a bigger name value after 5 years. In the grand scheme of their careers, it's a small price to pay! Edit: I also agree with everything you said about MHJ, i respect her work/skill, but I highly doubt she cares for these girls at all.
You didn't ask me but I think that if/once the court declares the contract still valid they'll go on a big apology tour behind the scene and maybe in the public eye too to appease the growing annoyance towards them, then lay low and maybe be seen with other hybe groups to redeem themselves. If they don't want to (finally) be professional, they're probably going to continue to act the way they do, get in debt to leave ADOR (I wouldn't advise to do that but who knows how deep the codependency/obsession for mhj goes).
HYBE/ADORE will do what they do best they won't make a big song and dance about things they'll simply get their evidence/paperwork in order and file it with the courts.
I totally agree, but sometimes.. I kinda wish they would be messy and dramatic XD NJs/MHJ are controlling too much of the public narrative and it's just so frustrating 🤧
13:22 I've been thinking for a long time, that they funnel money... Whatever they do is not clean. I really hope that there's not a huge abuse scandal hiding behind all of this! People would stupidly support NJ again and forget what what they've done! I think NJ was specifically designed for this ploy, never to have a lond-term career..
I mean, the government can only cover so much, I'd be lying if I said I didn't know people who've been paid illegally by getting money through friends LOL I honestly don't think it'll be a big deal, especially since the money would have been taxed before it was paid out, it's one of those 'illegal but not really enforced' things I kinda agree with you here! I think MHJ intentionally planned to remove NJs from HYBE from the very beginning - but I don't think she thought she would get caught (the April audit) and have to ruin her asset (ie destroy NJs' career) in the process of protecting herself and spiting HYBE. She likely thought she could have her cake and eat it because that's the kind of greedy and arrogant person she is.
@TheHaniverse Yea, but her plan was hedged in 2019, 2021 at the latest, before NJ existed and all this drama! I think NJ were always part of her plan, and burning them. I know people keep talking about NJ and Ador, no more about MHJ, but she specifically stated that her aim is to bring BSH down while BTS is away! 🤷♀️
Oh, that's a separate situation to the BELIFT case I was talking about. Did the SA employee try to sue her? I can't keep track of all the cases she has going on XD
@@TheHaniverse from what I get, there are 3 law suits with belife, SA and s music (le seraffin company, I totally forgot bity names), but I also don't know if all get thru or rumors.
No but for real 😭 I can't move from my current visa to an F5 because of the money required (2x GNI as your salary) - the Korean immigration system really does give more opportunity to rich people.
1) Great video and happy new year. 2) If hanni accepts visa renewal through ador, thus confirming her contract is valid, wouldn't that also confirm the other 4 members contracts since they unilaterally "terminated". 3) I saw Bunnies on Twt/X saying that Ador violated the "Personal Information Protection Act" but Ador simply responded to rumors. Does PIPA cover Idols? 4) I also some Bunnies claim Ador violated the "JYJ" law but I don't know too much about it. Sorry for the long comment, just things that have been on my mind since the issue was brought up.
Hello! 🥰 1) Thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed 🥹 and happy new year to you too! 2) Yes! If she accepts the visa from them, it's going to hurt NJs case a lot since all their contracts are likely identical - but I highly doubt she will. 3) They'd be wrong, ADOR didnt reveal anything beyond 'we are working on her visa application', that statement is far too vague to be considered personal information, and everything else around it has been public knowledge - the only visa it could be is an E-6 because that's the only visa for idols that need the company's support. (But yes, everyone is covered by PIPA) 4) It wasn't ADOR but another organization (I believe KMA/KMF, Korea Management Association/Federation) who demanded that NJs be banned from making any public appearance on music and tv shows. But the JYJ law says that idols who leave their company should not have their appearance limited by any broadcaster unless there is 'substantial reason' - that 'substantial reason' is the problem tho, as it's somewhat subjective. Even in JYJ's case, Junsu was only able to appear on EBS (an educational channel in Korea), and Jaejung hadn't appeared on TV until this year, despite settling the dispute with SM 10 years ago. Also, Yoochun hasn't been on tv bc he ruined his career with a drug scandal lol 😅 so even for JYJ, their law didnt do much to help them. ADOR hasnt requested that NJs not be allowed on TV, just that anyone working with them confirmed with the company first, which CBS already didn't do - so in short, no ADOR has not violated the JYJ law as of yet. 5) Please never apologise for a long comment! I appreciate it so much, and I'm more than happy to answer any time 🥰
I don’t understand how Ador can wait until the case goes to court, if it does indeed take a couple of years. I know they will keep a tally of all the contract breaches which will likely occur during this period. However, didn’t several Korean entertainment industries say that new investors will not invest in the K-pop industry because of this. Therefore, surely if Ador don’t do something now/soon, the industry will suffer greatly over the coming years. Why can’t Ador gather more evidence and then take NJ to court for breach of contract?
Honestly I'd say check my last two videos, I explained why ador doesnt want to take them to court to terminate the contract and why they are trying to keep them instead. But if I were to add some thoughts: Losing/throwing away an asset like njs because they threw a tantrum is not going to restore investor confidence in the industry, especially when this is happening so close to 5050 and hybe/ador is such a big company. If the no.1 entertainment company can't maintain/restore order, it doesnt look good for the whole industry and makes them all not worth investing in. Investors dont just want their money back, they want a return on their investment and even with the contravt penalty, theres a high chance the girls will never be able to pay it even if the court rules that they should - theyre worth more (money wise) if they keep working. Also the low investor confidence thing is not just a kpop issue but a korean economy issue, foreign investment is the main type of investment in korea and it has been down across the board over the last few years - it's actually one of the reasons people hated Prez Yoon before the martial law move. It's a very nuanced situation in Korea rn unfortunately, this is why this case has such a huge impact on the industry.
I read that having dual citizenship can put you in a conundrum eg if you have both British and another country's citizenship in situations like evacuations, the British can choose to put you aside until those singularly British are evaluated. I don't know whether Hanni will have any allegiance with the two embassies she is associated with. What is said here has nothing to do with her visa. PS. People should stop getting wound up about her status in SK. That is not the biggest problem. The problem here is the violation of the contract. Any immigration issues have no value compared to what she and her favourite boss are doing to the Kpop world.
I have dual citizenship actually! XD British and Nigerian, and both countries have embassies here. Because I'm here on a visa registered to my British passport, if there were any emergencies, I will be evacuated as a British citizen regardless of my Nigerian citizenship, because I cant exercise those rights here 🤧 at least to the best of my knowledge!
Isn't Hyannis residency Hybe? Would hype confirm they supply her residency if she is denying a contract with them. Also, operating within legal limits but skirting the spirit of regulations, seems to be another m.o of Njs and Mhj, this could go against their character witness history.
Also, unless Mhj has been fully reimbursed her shares money, doesn't her original contract still hold certain stipulations regarding non-compete clauses. These stipulations often remain active until all financial ties are fully severed, so surely they include any "free-lance" roles?
ADOR is very much 'they are our employees and we are filling the employer role' so I'm not sure they *need* to confirm anything, especially their private addresses - but technically any of the girls can buy their own places if they really wanted to, I don't think the company can legally force them to have to stay in the dorm. Also yes, they are drawing a Venn Diagram of 'contract valid' and 'contract not valid' and doing anything they can in that little overlap section so they aren't penalized later no matter the income, but they are playing dangerously close to the lines.
Okay the contract situation is a bit complex. Starting with not non-compete - this would only stop her from starting her own entertainment business where she would be directly competing with ADOR, they can't block her from all work in the industry as a whole or she literally wouldn't be able to make money. MHJ being the creative director of a vogue photoshoot is not in competition with ADOR at all. Also, technically the non-compete clause might not be valid because her shareholder agreement was cancelled from ADOR's end, not MHJ voluntarily leaving that contract (the job she quit after is a separate employment contract for a different position.) Finally, they reimbursed her shares, but not with the 13x valuation she would have got as a shareholder, that's why she said she was going to sue them (not sure if she ever filed that suit or now though.) The fact that she didn't get the 13x from the shareholder agreement supports the idea that the non-compete was also not valid because the shareholder agreement was dismissed.
Question: 1) In the Vogue interview, was the name New Jeans mentioned? I cannot imagine how they could get around that. 2) Not really a question: Vogue does not pay talent to be in the magazine so there would not be any income from appearing on the cover/inside interview. Also, Vogue books the hair and makeup as well as transportation.
Según se la ropa y accesorios, son de exponsor y seria un lío cancelar la aparición . Pero Vogue, no debería omitir el nombre NJ, hay está causado problemas. Vogue no usa NJ, sino el nombre de las chicas
It is rumoured heavily by reliable sources it was Omega who approached Ador to advise of the NJ Manager try to set up advertising outside of Ador. Also the Vogue shoot was an already scheduled activity. The only activity that Ador has pointed out to be unsanctioned is the interview they did with CBS Korea. It was also CBS Korea that had the only interview with MHJ post that train wreck of press conference she called. Ador has sent the warning shot to CBS Korea they have them in their sights.
1) As far as I'm aware, they did not mention it once. Similar to the CBS radio appearance the girls did, they just vaguely mention 'the group' or 'you ladies' or the members names. 2) Oh fair fair, I didn't know that, but makes sense, they're investing in the outfits and all that. I think the whole point of this shoot was publicity and optics anyway.
I don’t like New Jeans anymore. I am cancelling them from my life because I don’t want that toxicity in my life. They are devious and tbh greedy and liars too.i will not support products they promote as well.
Exactly. I'm setting aside how I feel about Min Hee Jin and just saying she literally showed us her lawyers during those wild press conferences. Even if someone thinks MHJ and NJ are delulu, there's no way they didn't go through their plans with lawyers. So I still feel there's something there, like a loophole or confidential information, that we just don't know yet
Sorry but not possible as the New Jeans girls contracts were signed under Source Music another HYBE Subsidiary, these have never been rescinded, it was a transfer only, no new signing.
Lawyer of Seoul gives an analysis of the outcome of a potential case, and has advised the NJ girls to get independent legal advice, as no lawyer with any ethics working for the girls (key point) would recommend the actions they are taking. He stated Ador will win, and a penalty will be required to be paid if they want to be released. He implied the legal team/advice appears to be for a third party interest, so tampering.
Okay, you pointed out the thing that I've BEEN saying! MHJ has always shown up with lawyers, but the girls never have at any of their appearances - isn't that strange?? Especially when they are liable for much more damage than she is. I personally believe that all the lawyers NJs are using are supplied by MHJ, which means the lawyers technically only have MHJs benefits at heart. Until now, she has faced zero risk. I spoke about this more in my previous video (I believe the dispatch one) - MHJ is smart and she has unwavering trust from NJs, and she's using that to manipulate them while protecting herself. MHJ is not delulu, but I think NJs are. edit: Oh also, remember at MHJs first conference, her lawyers were also facepalming and walking off the stage. While she does have good legal representation, they can only do so much if she herself sticks her foot in her mouth - I think that's why all her statements since then have been through her lawyers and press agency, but NJs? All their statements have been their own.
But if she used an investment visa then she wouldn’t be able to work as an artist or in entertainment, so she has no choice but to work with ADOR or find an entertainment company to sponsor her.
El problema también seria, si insiste en que se separa de Ador el 29 , porque no podía trabajar ya que la visa es invalida y tenía que hacer algo a los 15 días y no lo hizo.
If she has an investment visa, she CAN work as an artist. An F-series visa gives you complete economic freedom because you're a resident. Like I said in my personal example, I was able to quit, change jobs, and run side hustles legally because I'm not tied to a job - you just have to pay tax LOL
As I mentioned in the video, the visa isn't cancelled until ADOR notify immigration, and visa cancellation doesn't work retroactively. In short, Hanni's E-6 is still valid until it expires or ADOR reports the contract as terminated (whichever comes first) - but she can change to an investment visa before that.
@@TheHaniverse I thought the economic freedom came with F-5 visa. My general understanding is that to even get an F-2 visa, an employment sponsor was still required.
That depends on the type of F-2. For my F-2-7, I need to have a certain length of financial stability at the time of application, this can be a job or savings. Then at the time of extension, it can also be a personal business or freelance income. For the F-2-12 mentioned in the video, if you have 500 mil won to invest, it's assumed you also have enough to support yourself. Even if they needed proof, personal savings would be enough. After you've been granted an F-2, you can do whatever economic activity you want, work a regular job, freelance, start a business, not work at all - visa wise, there's no restriction. However Hanni still has an businesses agreement with ADOR she needs to honor, regardless of her visa. Edit: also, in every case, you dont need a sponsor, your company have no input on your F-2 visa. You just need to ahow you are economically stable, and you can use an employment contract to do that, but that employer has no relationship to your visa status, and you can quit that job right after the visa is granted xD
They ashamed to call themselves NEWJEANS But shamelessly attend the award ceremony and receive AWARD as ADOR NEWJEANS ...there is contradiction between their action and word........ They digging their own grave
Oh wait, I didn't even consider that their awards are all under NewJeans name XD But tbh, I don't think they're ashamed, they mentioned in their press conference that they want to keep the name, but they know that IP doesn't belong to them if they leave the company - so they will probably true to sue for it later, if they're allowed to terminate the contract (very unlikely.)
Hey I have a friend that has these magazines already they have been released already and I can confirm Ador is credited nowhere in the magazine the company name is not in there at all
Hanni is bad juju for Korea she went to the assembly and now all these lawmakers are in despair even the president Korea became crazy messing up the whole country..to all those who where sending funerals wreath for fun all this year the universe has answered..be careful what you wish for
@ it’s true my dear ..since the Suga saga were the Korea shows it’s true colours towards BTS I had my prediction something so big that will keep the whole Korea on their toes was coming and here comes the craziness their president lost his job ..journalists got so much to do they are working overtime providing finally real news …the bad juju girl (Hanni) now got lawmakers running up and down trying save the country from real problems and funeral wreaths fans people wishing they didn’t call the universe for real funeral wreaths..
I think the way she is, she will try to get a new E6 visa, but the way things are looking at the moment, she will be so desperate to accept another visa herself, but she will never humiliate herself enough to go to Ador and let them extend her visa, because that will mean that everything they say is lies.
Getting an E6 is too complicated I don't think any company will risk to sign a contract with her. I think she'll go for an investment Visa, it'll allow her to work in entertainment as before @@WeWasOnlySeven
43:11 ADOR posted in NJ official Instagram account all cover spread of the said Vogue shoot, do u really think that they will post it or claim it officially if all contracts and agreements are not officially under ADOR? And no matter how big Vogue is i dont think they will take the risk of a court noise and drama and loosing the pocket of all hybe artistsjust to please MHJ and NJ.
LOOOOOL 😂😂😂 I'd say you'd be better off just staying here and watching my videos instead 😂 the immigration office is scary! But more seriously, thank you so much! Im glad you enjoyed and found the video useful ☺️💜
if there are numerous years left on hanni's contract with ador and she manages to get a visa on her own how does that affect the work ador lines up for the group in future?
It doesn't! If she changed to a resident's visa, it doesn't have any effect on her position/work, and it would actually cut the company out of her visa process all together. Any visa she needs for work in other countries like japan or the us would still be the same though, and ADOR would likely assist with those :3
Omega actually followed the official NewJeans account, so that deal was probably intercepted and done through ADOR I'd also guess that Vogue has creative freedom for how they present the artists in their photoshoots. Unless the contract states that the NewJeans branding has to be used, then they didnt exactly do anything illegal. One could argue that it's misleading, but as long as they pay ADOR accordingly then it's just a crime of hurt feelings really lmao
but who said Vogue paid Ador. they're trying to get around this by using fake NJ name and or the girls own names. but sincerely who knows what the contract with vogue was
It is rumoured heavily by reliable sources it was Omega who approached Ador to advise of the NJ Manager try to set up advertising outside of Ador. Also the Vogue shoot was an already scheduled activity. The only activity that Ador has pointed out to be unsanctioned is the interview they did with CBS Korea. It was also CBS Korea that had the only interview with MHJ post that train wreck of press conference she called. Ador has sent the warning shot to CBS Korea they have them in their sights.
Yes exactly, I think the main question is did Vogue credit ADOR or not inside the magazine - I think no mention of ADOR at all would be weird, but I don't think it needs to be on the front cover. And yes, someone else pointed out that the Omega deal was likely official because of how long it would take to set up such a deal.
At first they had a lot of supporters and sympathy, but ever since the YT live stream they've slowly been losing support. I've spoken to so korean Bunnies and they say they wish NJs would just stop and finish things with ador and then join MHJ after the 5 years is up - the people I've spoken to acknowledge their current attitude is a bad play!
@34:54 Non-citizens of Korea cannot take part in the politics in Korea. There was a channel of a black guy that looked into it, his lawyers told him, He can't even go to the rallies and film it. If he participated in the rallies he could be deported.
Yes, I'm aware of this, but I think it's because it was done as part of the team that she was able to do it. (However deportation is not a direct punishment for any crime except being undocumented. You'd be punished legally which can stop you being able to renew your visa/get s new visa - and then they'd deport you lolol)
like imagine how much money the brand can generate working with newjeans through tampering versus how little they are gonna pay for fines and lawsuit. I think omega watch was thinking that it is worth the risk. who cares about the fine and controversies if newjeans can sell their products to public astronomically.
Ik they aren’t using the new jeans name in the magazine and in their current activities but isn’t each member contracted individually as themselves like they didn’t sign in one contract each signed their own papers. yk what I mean?
Yes! Technically each of them would have their own individual contract, but the contents should be identical, so if one clause was broken, that clause would exist in all of their contracts.
so does ador have any legal standing? like it seems these NJ girls are just getting away with their disgusting behavior. whats the point of having a contract.
Legal actions take time, Ador has lodged its first case the validation of the contract. Lawyer of Seoul gives an analysis of the outcome of a potential case, and has advised the NJ girls to get independent legal advice, as no lawyer with any ethics working for the girls (key point) would recommend the actions they are taking. He stated Ador will win, and a penalty will be required to be paid if they want to be released. He implied the legal team/advice appears to be for a third party interest, so tampering.
Oh absolutely, that's why they filed the lawsuit to prove the contract validity - it's just that the existence of the lawsuit calls into question the contract itself, so everyone is kinda making their own rules until the courts decide something - unfortunately that case is just going to take a long ass time.
@ its crazy. In the mean time NJ will just continue to humiliate Ador until the darn court system settles this crap. But i still believe they should not keep NJ. Especially if they have the audacity to disrespect their company so publicly.
Assuming you mean $300,000 USD, I can tell you there are no 'condos' in Seoul for that price, the best she could get is a studio apartment with a small side room. She absolutely could get an apartment if necessary, but she needs a visa to stay in the country :3
They scrapped the property investment visa after Moon stopped being president bc it was just driving up housing prices, I spoke about the other investment visas she could get for like 10 minutes of the video 😅
No, not really, the visa is granted at moment she invests, and is valid for the full 5 years as long as she doesn't withdraw her investment. After the 5 years she can change to an F5 without any additional investment. The real issue is that her exclusive contract with ADOR would still be valid, so she still needs to dispute that to do any other work
Why all astimeted time us so long, simply law things i. Korea are this lonf ir what , bc in theory it us simple question "is tge contract valid?", they look into it and give the verdict and xase can move, why people think it will take 2 years, when MHJ did this injunction things it was all so fast... I understand that later case woukd ve long like this old case with sm and tvxq(?forgot name?), but simply give opinion if contract is legal, really thry need so much time.
The 2 year period is coming from actual lawyers in Korea monitoring the case, but it's just an estimation. On ADOR’s side, it's quite an easy case as you said, they show the contract, show they've been working well and still are, done. But NJs will do everything they can to try and present evidence of being neglected, causing there to be multiple hearings and investigation and witnesses, and then ADOR will have to present evidence to the contrary - this is what will make the case take so long. For the TVXQ/JYJ situation, they reached a settlement after 5 years - ie, no verdict was actually met. In 5050 case, the court sided with the comoany after about a year, but they were mainly claiming lack of payment which was shown to be wrong. NJs case is more nuanced because mistreatment could be a lot of things and will take more effort to prove/disprove
It's not a 'checkmate' because ADOR never had a problem with her visa 😅 it was simply 'is Hanni an illegal immigrant or not' and the answer is just 'no'.
Both Hanni and NJ are basically stuck with HYBE/Ador unless another label takes them in or buys them out. Such a mess. I can only empathize because I know what it's like working in a hostile work environment. Hopefully everything will settle by 2025. Best of luck to them.
Hostile? Hanni nor any of the other members have filed a lawsuit to show proof of any mistreatment by Ador. Saying something is true needs to be backed up with proof. I feel bad these girls chose loyalty to 🧢 rather than working hard and becoming incredibly successful! It could take years for the courts to sort this out. Sadly they don't have years unless they have someone to pay their penalty. I wish them the best but it doesn't look promising.
What idiot would ever trust them to sign a contract then not try to wiggle out of it. They are something business wise you would not touch with a barge pole let alone sit down and sign a contract with.
Lawyer of Seoul gives an analysis of the outcome of a potential case, and has advised the NJ girls to get independent legal advice, as no lawyer with any ethics working for the girls (key point) would recommend the actions they are taking. He stated Ador will win, and a penalty will be required to be paid if they want to be released. He implied the legal team/advice appears to be for a third party interest, so tampering.
I'm pretty sure Ador will be suing a lot of people (including Omega watches) after the court determines their exclusive contract is still valid lol
If these events are under contracts negotiated before they left, then ADOR should still be getting paid by the brands. As long as the company gets their money for already agreed upon work with the artists, there's no reason to sue and no damages to recover.
ADOR is probably even paying the members their share of the brand money, just to show that the company is abiding by the terms of the work contract.
Ador signed Omega. Omega was approached to bypass Ador by the manager who wiped the company laptop clean before returning it to Ador. We all know that attempt failed.
@@HailToTheMeepcan you explain why Omega is omitting the group name entirely still even if you look at their past ambassador ships individually the group name is always somewhere but even on the site and their social media accounts it only says Danielle Marsh no NewJeans name anywhere
No way Ador would go after Omega. Why would they risk jeopardising future brand endorsements with them? Omega is owned by The Swatch group which includes other luxury brands like Blancpain, Breguet, Tissot, Longines, etc. It would be completely stupid of them to burn that bridge.
@@hanimcko the deal went through ador, cry about it
This legal game of chicken is fascinating. The two parties have taken almost opposite strategies. I'm so curious about how the court proceedings will go.
Personally, I think Ador will wait for the contract to be decided by the court before suing anyone else. If they win, then they have a basis to say what and who violated the contract and when. Having a solid foundation is everything.
That's exactly what I'm thinking
Just follow the example set by Attrakt. Win the lawsuit, fire the unwilling and redebut those who are willing to repent in another group.
@@JO-qn8gy
Totally agree
Lawyer of Seoul gives an analysis of the outcome of a potential case, and has advised the NJ girls to get independent legal advice, as no lawyer with any ethics working for the girls would recommend the actions they are taking. He stated Ador will win, and a penalty will be required to be paid if they want to be released.
Unfortunately the result will take at least 2 years
One of the more sensible approaches to the issues I've seen.
So tired of people claiming New Jeans is somehow free when it's clear that there's a legal fight in the works and that no other label will deal with them until that's cleared.
Also, apparently the rogue ADOR employee was reported to ADOR by the brand he was trying to pull in. It sounds like whatever brand that was values the ongoing ADOR/HYBE connection more than having a single brand deal with New Jeans. Personally I doubt it was Omega as agreeing on a brand ambassadorship takes more than a couple weeks.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video 🥹🙏🏾
No for real though, I'm like something doesn't become true just because you said it with conviction 🤧
Also, that's very fair tbh! I admittedly wasn't too sure on the Omega situation, but what you said makes total sense - I think ADOR themselves should try to make things clearer though, it's weird they didn't promote the Vogue release until after it was already on the NJs' IG - but maybe the girls just posted ahead of schedule too 🤔
Thanks for this. Your personal experience navigating immigration in Korea adds new depth to the existing analysis.
Thank you, that's exactly what I was hoping for! 😭😭
I feel like the visa situation should have been something they talked about during the conference or something, this was one of the first things i thought about when they talked about the contract being terminated. I hate that these girls are making these decisions and, unfortunately, giving the impression of spoiled young women who can't get what they want. All I want is for ador and NewJeans to separate officially, and stop giving them the publicity and empathy they are looking for because I'm over it.
Yeah, I heard that a new album was in the works for them with another tour next year... Man, I hope they get none of that handed to them after all they've done. They're free to do as they like in the future, but hope Ador doesn't hand them anything else.
The press conference they did was a whole lot of nothing to begin with, and they were probably hoping this issue would fly under the radar so I'm not surprised they didn't mention it. And at this point, I'm finding it harder to give them grace, I think they *are* becoming spoiled young women because they've been put into an echo chamber that is encouraging their self destruction. As much as I agree that I'd like this to be over sooner rather than later, I actually doubt leaving ADOR would ever be good for NJs, they've already branded themselves as trouble and everything they do moving forward would have to be self-managed, and a narcissist like MHJ will never put herself in harms way to help them.
I think the album and stuff is more ADOR working for their own sake, at the end of the day, the profits are where their paychecks come from. Even if they let go of NJs in the end, they aren't going to do it unless it's in exchange for the huge termination penalty - they do not care about the girls.
@@TheHaniverse that’s true, the conference did nothing but show us that the girls KNOW nothing. But the fact that they think things like this would go unquestioned makes me think that they don’t take Kpop fans or the public as thinking individuals?? Like do you actually think this situation wouldn’t come up at all? The journalists at the conference were immediately confronting the girls with their positions because it didn’t make sense from the beginning.
This situation is far from over but my birthday is in June and I’m gonna need this to be significantly farther than it is right now so my birthday will be fun 😂but on a serious note I don’t believe they actually understand what leaving ador means and terminating their contract. I’ve seen them post on their ‘new’ account being at the HYBE building and such, so I’m hoping the reality check come sooner than later because I hate to see when people are obviously wrong, feel like they’re right because that comes with entitlement and arrogance and they’ll be in for a rude awakening when MHJ doesn’t show up for them
@@TheHaniverse 100% ADOR (or any of these other companies) actually care for the artist. They can find others to fit the image the previous one did. They want to make sure that get the most amount of money from them they can. But ADOR is also tryna to hold on to their side of the contract as well, which is plan for the next year/comback
it would be stupid of vouge to make an enemy out of hybe because of all the artist they have who sell well. if they some day need another cover shoot of a group more popular than nj like BTS they could just deny it and go for another brand instead. to put all their money in one basket is stupid especially when we don´t know if mhj will be found guilty or not. it would affect all brands. so i hope for them that it was just an old agreement shoot they had already planned. and for it to still happen and not et a blank issue out, they where forced to only write the names of the members which caused the delay.
they have covered other hybe artists before so i found it strange if they deliberately get on their bad side. but did ador make a statement about vouge? maybe they already knew and allowed them to print it anyway so that hybe artist could still get sponsorships with them. but idk how it works. hybe works slow but once they are ready they strike with a airtight blow. like they did with mhj and firering her.
Yes they tend to dot all the I's and cross all the T's before they do anything, which is the best way to be and not alert the enemy.
Yes, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. I'm also very interested in finding out if the shoot was done earlier and was approved... Or not. Seems suspicious that they didn't state the group name or give credit to anyone but mhj.
I'm like 99% sure it was an existing schedule because ADOR shared the vogue tweet on the official NJs twitter account. I think the only thing to be confirmed is did they credit ADOR inside the magazine or not. I totally agree it would be stupid for them not to, I think this really became an issue because NJs shared the images first on their unofficial IG account, when normally the company would be the one to announce things like this first. I agree that Vogue wouldn't try to burn bridge over NJs, it would not be worth it.
In ADOR's statement, they mentioned the IG account causing confusion rather than calling out Vogue directly, so I think it's more 'how things went down' that they're made about.
Also yes, whatever the case may be, HYBE and ADOR will absolutely not shoot until they have a bullseye.
Your visa insight is such a helpful contribution to the latest discussion like the fact that no matter what Hanni needs to be in person
Thank you! I'm glad to be helpful 🥹🙏🏾
Well, as far as their visas are concerned, they should have thought about that earlier instead of making such a big drama and now trying to find a new solution as quickly as possible.
Happy New Year to everyone.🎉🎉🎉
Firstly, your @ 😭💜
Secondly, absolutely 💯 if they hadn't thought of this before, at least they still have time and options lolol
And finally, happy new year to you too 💜
@ that’s true
it kind of shows a lot of sillyness that comes with foreigners trying to be idols not saying they shouldnt but it just keeps proving that they dont know how to handle the idol lifestyle very well and clearly dont know a lot of the contractual rules that they have to follow again why did they become idols if they knew they had to sort through all of this nonsense? if its not a pr stunt then i dont know what is
@ I don't think it's because of foreigners' stupidity. It's simply because one person is stupid that they believe everything another person says, no matter how badly they say about them.
Given all this seems to be organized and planned since before the group existed, she might have a plan ahead
Let's just say this continues to prove how incapable MHJ and the adults around News Jeans should not be managing anything.
Los padres se involucraron con MHJ de manera laboral, haciendo imposible separar, así que cuando MHJ enfrente los juicios, NJ va a ser arrastrando. Los padres realmente, les fallaron a sus hijas.
No but for real, I feel so sad that they've just had so much terrible guidance :/
I couldn't agree more :/ but, there's still hope that one of the NJs dads was the one who leaked the messages to Dispatch, so maybe they're starting to realise MHJ is no good for their daughters..
I've been waiting for this, lol. I love your videos.
You're so sweet, thank you! 😭🙏🏾💜💙 I still have a lot to learn/improve on, but I'm glad you're enjoying so far 🥹
3:52 does this mean that, by appearing independently alongside the other girls on Kim Hyun-jung's News Show on Sports Chosun, on 12/24/24, an appearance that ADOR has stated was done without discussing it with the company or notifying them in advance, Hanni has already broken the stipulations of her E-6 visa even though ADOR is still sponsoring her? Since she performed on a show without ADOR’s prior knowledge, that would count as working as an entertainer. Would whether or not they were paid for their independent appearance factor into that?
And if so, what could the consequences of her defying her visa in this way be?
Ooh great point and question! If she got paid, then yes, it would count as her breaking her visa and working illegally if there is not contract with ADOR, but someone would still need to report her for it to be recorded.
The most likely punishment is just a fine though, and the amount of the fine would be dependant on if it was her first offense and how much she made. In the case of a huge fine, it could hinder her from getting an E6 visa again, but I doubt it would be that big. It also absolutely wouldnt stop her getting one of the investment visas!
I think that the main problem here is not even the possibility of getting another visa but instead her claims of contract termination. If she argues that her contract is terminated, she is already in violation of immigration laws. The fact that she’s still using her visa issued through ador is a direct contradiction of her own claims that her contract was terminated in November since the fact that without a valid contract, there’s no visa.
This is something that only Hanni has to deal with it and there’s nothing requiring the court to rule in he same way for all NJ members. if the chances of them winning the lawsuit are very low already, Hanni chances are even lower than the others since the status and conditions of her foreign visa are very specific.
Yes, I agree with you except her original visa is valid until ADOR reports the contract termination - even if Hanni herself believes it terminated, it's the sponsor's (ie ADOR's) duty to report it to immigration which they obviously won't do.
Also I disagree about the court not ruling the same way for all members, their contracts will have the same terms so if ador violated their duties, that would be the same for all the girls - but like you said, the chance of that is very low anyway. (That being said, them losing would mean the contract is still valid, hence her visa is also.)
The reality is, while ADOR will not report the contract as terminated, Hanni's visa will run out long before the court ruling, and she will have to find another visa for the meantime. As discussed in my video, the best options for her are the F-series visas, that allow her to do any financial activities she wants, so she can continue being an idol.
Happy New Year, everyone! 🎉
I hope 2025 brings you all your hearts desires, and life treats you a little softer.
I'm curious if any of you have any major new years resolutions or goals? :3 if so, feel to comment them so we can keep each other accountable! 😂
(My main goal was mentioned in the video! 😉)
I do have one. This year I want to be accountable not just to the people around me but to myself. I want to make plans and stick to them rather than finding excuses for my procrastination. And I'm going to try to reach out to my friends more, yunno, to communicate with them now and again. Maybe it might just help fuel my social battery or not. Or my anxiety. 😂
I just want to be better than my previous version. Give this year my all in everything.
That's a great goal 🥹💪🏾 all the best!
I did a similar thing last year, particularly with the communication. I'm honestly not the best at making plans with people and I prefer being alone so I always turn now invites, but last year I said I couldnt reject invites, only reschedule and it ended up being a great year, so I hope you get to have a similar experience! 🙏🏾💜
Accountability is definitely one of mind this year too, and that'll ultimately be shown through this channel 😅 wish me luck!
Given all the instability in Korea and the state of the won, I would imagine the country wants to project the image of 'business as usual.' You cannot have havoc unfolding with respect to fundamentals of contract law as well as political drama at the same time - it's very unsettling for investors both within and outside the country. I just read headlines in the NYTimes about the president not cooperating with investigators, so it's getting messier and messier. I don't know if any of this would finally impact NJ's case (and MHJ's - remember her?) but I do think anyone who's not a stan and is actually putting money on the line is looking for signs of normalcy. We'll see.
Also, I really appreciate the detail with which you've laid out the visa types and application processes. Maybe her residency visa application process is underway, maybe it isn't. But if she's hanging around on an Ador visa (she's technically within her rights to do so) while terminating a contract via press conference and saying 'no obligations apply!,' that just isn't a good look.
Oh I completely agree with you, mind you investor confidence in Korea (not just kpop) has BEEN low throughout 2024, and add the possibility of conflict between China-Taiwan before 2030 and the fact Korea would almost definitely have to get involved, literally EVERYTHING is a mess in Korea right now.
I agree that maintaining status quo is very important, and in this case, HYBE is an industry leader, so anything ADOR does reflects on the company which reflects on the whole industry - I think that's why they're not being as aggressive as they could be.
In regards to the residency visas, F-2 processes pretty fast - I got mine in just 2 weeks and received my ID card a week later, but I know the average processing time is 1 month. In the case of an F-5, it's supposed to take about twice as long, but regardless, she has a legally binding contract she has to honour even if ADOR isn't her visa sponsor.
Must be a challenging time to be an ordinary Korean citizen - even if you aren't personally affected, there is still such a thing as a national mood.
For K-Pop overall, it feels like a lot is riding on BTS' comeback. Newspapers are already making predictions while they're still serving in the military, so the macro level jitters are showing.
I hope your new year is off to a better start, at least! Thanks again for your videos and content, have subscribed and am looking forward to your analysis.
@Chingooze2022 Couldn't agree more, there's so much uncertainty in so many things at the moment - people are genuinely thanking tourists for visiting and stimulating the economy in these turbulent times, it's very somber here ><
Oh absolutely, I have faith in their ability to make a strong return, both as a fan and just as an industry observer, but at the same time, the pressure shouldn't need to be on them :/
It has, thank you so much, I hope yours is going well too! 🥰 and thank you! I'm going to be mixing in other types of content soon, but I will continue to cover this story closely too!
Thank you for all the helpful info! Also your sweater is very cute.
I'm glad the video was helpful! And thank you ☺️🤧💜
42:35 The members are still living in Ador's dorm and using Ador's facilities and staff. Chosun Ilbo 어도어 지원 받고, 활동은 맘대로?… 계약해지 됐다는 ‘뉴진스’ 이래도 될까, December 25, 2024.
How do you know members are still living in Ador’s dorm?
@@Andromeda-2.5Mread the article. It's Korea's newspaper of record.
I knew they were using the facilities, but not the dorm! Thank you for the info 👀💜
@@FifthGateThey aren't using the dorm's
Unfortunately, the contract judicial review result will be at fastest 2 years. Unless some force can request to fasten the process up due to the damage these brings to the overall kpop and SK investment scene
Yes, this is what I'm worried about - how much damage will this case do to the rest of the industry in the time we're waiting for a result. Not to mention if NJs were to actually win (hypothetically!)
New subscriber here! Love how you are covering this NJ/ Ador/ Hybe and MHJ situation.
Love how your commentary is presented. It gives well researched, knowledgeable, mature and just well done. Looking foward to more content.
Finally happy new year to all and hoping we all have a fruitful and wonderful 2025 🎉
Thank you so much 🥹🙏🏾💜💙 I'm still new to commentary so I tried to fact check and not try to be a know it all 🤧 I'm glad you've found the videos enjoyable and informative 🥺
I hope you have a wonderful year ahead too! ✨️🥳
It would be amazing if once Ador wins on the fact the contract is valid, NJ returns. What will Ador do then since the members have openly declared war on them, made their contempt for the new CEO clear, and openly despise the non-MHJ staff? If they shut down jeanzforfree, NJ can say they have been silenced. If they made new music/world tour (as promised by Ador in its public statements) the NJ members would make it clear to the world its under duress. If Hybe dungeons them for the remainder of their contract, then NJ can say that was their plan all along.
Great question, but I think the main things to consider is sympathy and perception.
If the court rules that ADOR was right, that also means NewJeans never had any reason to complain to begin with and that they weren't mistreated, they were just acting out. This would paint them as ungrateful brats who threw a legal tantrum because they didn't get their way, and some people already see them like that.
Rather than a victim being silenced, it's a brat being disciplined. Rather than oppressed idols fighting their oppressive company, its a company taking the necessary measures to put them in check, so there's no duress.
Basically the court ruling would change the optics bc its not longer a he-said she-said, its just business. At that point, NJs can either suck it up and do their job, continue throwing tantrums and get sued for misconduct, or pay the termination fee and just leave ador all together.
@@TheHaniverse Their fanbase though will always see them as victims no matter the courts. I've always said if NJ was smart they would force Hybe/Ador to live up to the many promises they've made - including albums/tour/A-list producers etc. - and wait it out for 5 years while building up their personal brand, and THEN walk away. MHJ is a brilliant marketer (give her that) and NJ was built for a global audience in a way Illit/Les Serrafim/IVE are not so they could dominate the charts still, BUT they've clearly been brainwashed and I really believe these girls would rather pay the penalty and have their music careers go the way of the ex-50/50 members rather than "betray" MHJ (who could care less about them).
@J_Benn oh I've always said the same thing! That's exactly what i spoke about in my previous video, regardless of if ador is bad or not, they have resources that NewJeans could milk dry for 5 years, and walk away with money, connections and a bigger name value after 5 years. In the grand scheme of their careers, it's a small price to pay!
Edit: I also agree with everything you said about MHJ, i respect her work/skill, but I highly doubt she cares for these girls at all.
You didn't ask me but I think that if/once the court declares the contract still valid they'll go on a big apology tour behind the scene and maybe in the public eye too to appease the growing annoyance towards them, then lay low and maybe be seen with other hybe groups to redeem themselves.
If they don't want to (finally) be professional, they're probably going to continue to act the way they do, get in debt to leave ADOR (I wouldn't advise to do that but who knows how deep the codependency/obsession for mhj goes).
doesnt she have to sign the visa application done by Ador? thus admitting she is still under contract with Ador?
Only if she wants them to continue being her sponsors - I explained her alternative visa options that she can get without ADOR in the video!
This was soooo informative, thank you!!
You're so sweet, thank you! 😭🙏🏾💜💙 I tried to keep it information but not too boring XD
@@TheHaniverse well sista I’m an now an official subscriber! We love an educated queen 🤙🏾👌🏾. Happy New Years🎉
HYBE/ADORE will do what they do best they won't make a big song and dance about things they'll simply get their evidence/paperwork in order and file it with the courts.
I totally agree, but sometimes.. I kinda wish they would be messy and dramatic XD NJs/MHJ are controlling too much of the public narrative and it's just so frustrating 🤧
@@TheHaniverse Being a mature adult I prefer Keep calm and carry on as normal rather than all the theatricts and foot stomping.
This is my first video of yours. Liked and subscribed!
Thank you so much! 😭💜
@@TheHaniverse 😊
Wohooo a new one! Thanks for the video😊
First video of the new year! 😉 let's make 2025 a good one! 💙💜
13:22 I've been thinking for a long time, that they funnel money... Whatever they do is not clean. I really hope that there's not a huge abuse scandal hiding behind all of this! People would stupidly support NJ again and forget what what they've done!
I think NJ was specifically designed for this ploy, never to have a lond-term career..
I mean, the government can only cover so much, I'd be lying if I said I didn't know people who've been paid illegally by getting money through friends LOL I honestly don't think it'll be a big deal, especially since the money would have been taxed before it was paid out, it's one of those 'illegal but not really enforced' things
I kinda agree with you here! I think MHJ intentionally planned to remove NJs from HYBE from the very beginning - but I don't think she thought she would get caught (the April audit) and have to ruin her asset (ie destroy NJs' career) in the process of protecting herself and spiting HYBE. She likely thought she could have her cake and eat it because that's the kind of greedy and arrogant person she is.
@TheHaniverse Yea, but her plan was hedged in 2019, 2021 at the latest, before NJ existed and all this drama! I think NJ were always part of her plan, and burning them. I know people keep talking about NJ and Ador, no more about MHJ, but she specifically stated that her aim is to bring BSH down while BTS is away! 🤷♀️
@TheHaniverse She even talked about taking them over. She started in BH... And they got her out at the expense of 'this'.
Jan 6th mediation (if it fails) a trial with MHJ and SA employee
Dvomim, da se bo Min Heejin prikazala na sodišču!
@@KsenijaHajdu-x3gif she is subpoena she would have no choice but to show up.
Oh, that's a separate situation to the BELIFT case I was talking about. Did the SA employee try to sue her? I can't keep track of all the cases she has going on XD
@@TheHaniverse She did because she wants an apology more than money; however, the mediation has money involved.
@@TheHaniverse from what I get, there are 3 law suits with belife, SA and s music (le seraffin company, I totally forgot bity names), but I also don't know if all get thru or rumors.
Yayy thanks for answering my question. Happy New Year!
Happy New Year to you too! 🎉✨️and my pleasure! ☺️
Damn that F2 12 visa sounds like a dream if you have the money 😂
No but for real 😭 I can't move from my current visa to an F5 because of the money required (2x GNI as your salary) - the Korean immigration system really does give more opportunity to rich people.
1) Great video and happy new year.
2) If hanni accepts visa renewal through ador, thus confirming her contract is valid, wouldn't that also confirm the other 4 members contracts since they unilaterally "terminated".
3) I saw Bunnies on Twt/X saying that Ador violated the "Personal Information Protection Act" but Ador simply responded to rumors. Does PIPA cover Idols?
4) I also some Bunnies claim Ador violated the "JYJ" law but I don't know too much about it.
Sorry for the long comment, just things that have been on my mind since the issue was brought up.
Hello! 🥰
1) Thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed 🥹 and happy new year to you too!
2) Yes! If she accepts the visa from them, it's going to hurt NJs case a lot since all their contracts are likely identical - but I highly doubt she will.
3) They'd be wrong, ADOR didnt reveal anything beyond 'we are working on her visa application', that statement is far too vague to be considered personal information, and everything else around it has been public knowledge - the only visa it could be is an E-6 because that's the only visa for idols that need the company's support. (But yes, everyone is covered by PIPA)
4) It wasn't ADOR but another organization (I believe KMA/KMF, Korea Management Association/Federation) who demanded that NJs be banned from making any public appearance on music and tv shows. But the JYJ law says that idols who leave their company should not have their appearance limited by any broadcaster unless there is 'substantial reason' - that 'substantial reason' is the problem tho, as it's somewhat subjective.
Even in JYJ's case, Junsu was only able to appear on EBS (an educational channel in Korea), and Jaejung hadn't appeared on TV until this year, despite settling the dispute with SM 10 years ago. Also, Yoochun hasn't been on tv bc he ruined his career with a drug scandal lol 😅 so even for JYJ, their law didnt do much to help them.
ADOR hasnt requested that NJs not be allowed on TV, just that anyone working with them confirmed with the company first, which CBS already didn't do - so in short, no ADOR has not violated the JYJ law as of yet.
5) Please never apologise for a long comment! I appreciate it so much, and I'm more than happy to answer any time 🥰
Thank you for answering my question! :)
My pleasure! Thank you for the great question! 💜✨
I don’t understand how Ador can wait until the case goes to court, if it does indeed take a couple of years. I know they will keep a tally of all the contract breaches which will likely occur during this period.
However, didn’t several Korean entertainment industries say that new investors will not invest in the K-pop industry because of this. Therefore, surely if Ador don’t do something now/soon, the industry will suffer greatly over the coming years.
Why can’t Ador gather more evidence and then take NJ to court for breach of contract?
Honestly I'd say check my last two videos, I explained why ador doesnt want to take them to court to terminate the contract and why they are trying to keep them instead.
But if I were to add some thoughts: Losing/throwing away an asset like njs because they threw a tantrum is not going to restore investor confidence in the industry, especially when this is happening so close to 5050 and hybe/ador is such a big company. If the no.1 entertainment company can't maintain/restore order, it doesnt look good for the whole industry and makes them all not worth investing in. Investors dont just want their money back, they want a return on their investment and even with the contravt penalty, theres a high chance the girls will never be able to pay it even if the court rules that they should - theyre worth more (money wise) if they keep working.
Also the low investor confidence thing is not just a kpop issue but a korean economy issue, foreign investment is the main type of investment in korea and it has been down across the board over the last few years - it's actually one of the reasons people hated Prez Yoon before the martial law move. It's a very nuanced situation in Korea rn unfortunately, this is why this case has such a huge impact on the industry.
I read that having dual citizenship can put you in a conundrum eg if you have both British and another country's citizenship in situations like evacuations, the British can choose to put you aside until those singularly British are evaluated. I don't know whether Hanni will have any allegiance with the two embassies she is associated with. What is said here has nothing to do with her visa.
PS. People should stop getting wound up about her status in SK. That is not the biggest problem. The problem here is the violation of the contract. Any immigration issues have no value compared to what she and her favourite boss are doing to the Kpop world.
I have dual citizenship actually! XD British and Nigerian, and both countries have embassies here. Because I'm here on a visa registered to my British passport, if there were any emergencies, I will be evacuated as a British citizen regardless of my Nigerian citizenship, because I cant exercise those rights here 🤧 at least to the best of my knowledge!
Isn't Hyannis residency Hybe? Would hype confirm they supply her residency if she is denying a contract with them. Also, operating within legal limits but skirting the spirit of regulations, seems to be another m.o of Njs and Mhj, this could go against their character witness history.
Also, unless Mhj has been fully reimbursed her shares money, doesn't her original contract still hold certain stipulations regarding non-compete clauses. These stipulations often remain active until all financial ties are fully severed, so surely they include any "free-lance" roles?
@@whk3120MHJ no tiene acciones por CEO, sino las que compra ( con dinero prestado de Bang y el plazo para devolver, se está acercando).
ADOR is very much 'they are our employees and we are filling the employer role' so I'm not sure they *need* to confirm anything, especially their private addresses - but technically any of the girls can buy their own places if they really wanted to, I don't think the company can legally force them to have to stay in the dorm.
Also yes, they are drawing a Venn Diagram of 'contract valid' and 'contract not valid' and doing anything they can in that little overlap section so they aren't penalized later no matter the income, but they are playing dangerously close to the lines.
Okay the contract situation is a bit complex.
Starting with not non-compete - this would only stop her from starting her own entertainment business where she would be directly competing with ADOR, they can't block her from all work in the industry as a whole or she literally wouldn't be able to make money. MHJ being the creative director of a vogue photoshoot is not in competition with ADOR at all.
Also, technically the non-compete clause might not be valid because her shareholder agreement was cancelled from ADOR's end, not MHJ voluntarily leaving that contract (the job she quit after is a separate employment contract for a different position.)
Finally, they reimbursed her shares, but not with the 13x valuation she would have got as a shareholder, that's why she said she was going to sue them (not sure if she ever filed that suit or now though.) The fact that she didn't get the 13x from the shareholder agreement supports the idea that the non-compete was also not valid because the shareholder agreement was dismissed.
@@TheHaniverse thankyou for your indepth answer, I appreciate it.
Question: 1) In the Vogue interview, was the name New Jeans mentioned? I cannot imagine how they could get around that. 2) Not really a question: Vogue does not pay talent to be in the magazine so there would not be any income from appearing on the cover/inside interview. Also, Vogue books the hair and makeup as well as transportation.
Según se la ropa y accesorios, son de exponsor y seria un lío cancelar la aparición . Pero Vogue, no debería omitir el nombre NJ, hay está causado problemas.
Vogue no usa NJ, sino el nombre de las chicas
It is rumoured heavily by reliable sources it was Omega who approached Ador to advise of the NJ Manager try to set up advertising outside of Ador.
Also the Vogue shoot was an already scheduled activity.
The only activity that Ador has pointed out to be unsanctioned is the interview they did with CBS Korea. It was also CBS Korea that had the only interview with MHJ post that train wreck of press conference she called. Ador has sent the warning shot to CBS Korea they have them in their sights.
1) As far as I'm aware, they did not mention it once. Similar to the CBS radio appearance the girls did, they just vaguely mention 'the group' or 'you ladies' or the members names.
2) Oh fair fair, I didn't know that, but makes sense, they're investing in the outfits and all that. I think the whole point of this shoot was publicity and optics anyway.
I don’t like New Jeans anymore. I am cancelling them from my life because I don’t want that toxicity in my life. They are devious and tbh greedy and liars too.i will not support products they promote as well.
I still think Min Hee Jin did something to release NJ while she was still an employee at Ador, including the immigration situation.
Exactly. I'm setting aside how I feel about Min Hee Jin and just saying she literally showed us her lawyers during those wild press conferences. Even if someone thinks MHJ and NJ are delulu, there's no way they didn't go through their plans with lawyers. So I still feel there's something there, like a loophole or confidential information, that we just don't know yet
Sorry but not possible as the New Jeans girls contracts were signed under Source Music another HYBE Subsidiary, these have never been rescinded, it was a transfer only, no new signing.
Lawyer of Seoul gives an analysis of the outcome of a potential case, and has advised the NJ girls to get independent legal advice, as no lawyer with any ethics working for the girls (key point) would recommend the actions they are taking. He stated Ador will win, and a penalty will be required to be paid if they want to be released. He implied the legal team/advice appears to be for a third party interest, so tampering.
Oh absolutely, the dispatch leak practically says the same thing!
Okay, you pointed out the thing that I've BEEN saying! MHJ has always shown up with lawyers, but the girls never have at any of their appearances - isn't that strange?? Especially when they are liable for much more damage than she is.
I personally believe that all the lawyers NJs are using are supplied by MHJ, which means the lawyers technically only have MHJs benefits at heart. Until now, she has faced zero risk. I spoke about this more in my previous video (I believe the dispatch one) - MHJ is smart and she has unwavering trust from NJs, and she's using that to manipulate them while protecting herself. MHJ is not delulu, but I think NJs are.
edit: Oh also, remember at MHJs first conference, her lawyers were also facepalming and walking off the stage. While she does have good legal representation, they can only do so much if she herself sticks her foot in her mouth - I think that's why all her statements since then have been through her lawyers and press agency, but NJs? All their statements have been their own.
You should have so many more subs. 😊
Thank you 🥹🙏🏾 imma try and make that happen this year! 💜💙
Very informative video about the Visa, thank you!
Thank you for watching too, I'm glad it was helpful! ☺️
But if she used an investment visa then she wouldn’t be able to work as an artist or in entertainment, so she has no choice but to work with ADOR or find an entertainment company to sponsor her.
El problema también seria, si insiste en que se separa de Ador el 29 , porque no podía trabajar ya que la visa es invalida y tenía que hacer algo a los 15 días y no lo hizo.
If she has an investment visa, she CAN work as an artist. An F-series visa gives you complete economic freedom because you're a resident. Like I said in my personal example, I was able to quit, change jobs, and run side hustles legally because I'm not tied to a job - you just have to pay tax LOL
As I mentioned in the video, the visa isn't cancelled until ADOR notify immigration, and visa cancellation doesn't work retroactively. In short, Hanni's E-6 is still valid until it expires or ADOR reports the contract as terminated (whichever comes first) - but she can change to an investment visa before that.
@@TheHaniverse I thought the economic freedom came with F-5 visa. My general understanding is that to even get an F-2 visa, an employment sponsor was still required.
That depends on the type of F-2. For my F-2-7, I need to have a certain length of financial stability at the time of application, this can be a job or savings. Then at the time of extension, it can also be a personal business or freelance income.
For the F-2-12 mentioned in the video, if you have 500 mil won to invest, it's assumed you also have enough to support yourself. Even if they needed proof, personal savings would be enough.
After you've been granted an F-2, you can do whatever economic activity you want, work a regular job, freelance, start a business, not work at all - visa wise, there's no restriction. However Hanni still has an businesses agreement with ADOR she needs to honor, regardless of her visa.
Edit: also, in every case, you dont need a sponsor, your company have no input on your F-2 visa. You just need to ahow you are economically stable, and you can use an employment contract to do that, but that employer has no relationship to your visa status, and you can quit that job right after the visa is granted xD
They ashamed to call themselves NEWJEANS But shamelessly attend the award ceremony and receive AWARD as ADOR NEWJEANS ...there is contradiction between their action and word........
They digging their own grave
Oh wait, I didn't even consider that their awards are all under NewJeans name XD But tbh, I don't think they're ashamed, they mentioned in their press conference that they want to keep the name, but they know that IP doesn't belong to them if they leave the company - so they will probably true to sue for it later, if they're allowed to terminate the contract (very unlikely.)
Hey I have a friend that has these magazines already they have been released already and I can confirm Ador is credited nowhere in the magazine the company name is not in there at all
Hanni is bad juju for Korea she went to the assembly and now all these lawmakers are in despair even the president Korea became crazy messing up the whole country..to all those who where sending funerals wreath for fun all this year the universe has answered..be careful what you wish for
😂😂😂😂😂 this comment took me out xD but I agree, people should be careful what they wish for 🤧
@ it’s true my dear ..since the Suga saga were the Korea shows it’s true colours towards BTS I had my prediction something so big that will keep the whole Korea on their toes was coming and here comes the craziness their president lost his job ..journalists got so much to do they are working overtime providing finally real news …the bad juju girl (Hanni) now got lawmakers running up and down trying save the country from real problems and funeral wreaths fans people wishing they didn’t call the universe for real funeral wreaths..
@ one thing for sure tides are turning against MHJ and her cronies the political environment will play a role somehow….
What do you think ADOR's next legal move is gonna be? 👀 and do you think Hanni will go for the investment visa??
I think the way she is, she will try to get a new E6 visa, but the way things are looking at the moment, she will be so desperate to accept another visa herself, but she will never humiliate herself enough to go to Ador and let them extend her visa, because that will mean that everything they say is lies.
Getting an E6 is too complicated I don't think any company will risk to sign a contract with her. I think she'll go for an investment Visa, it'll allow her to work in entertainment as before @@WeWasOnlySeven
@@WeWasOnlySeven I agree. Humility is not in their vocabulary.
A new E6 is not possible unless ADOR agree to let her go, without a letter of release, she can't do anything 🤧
@@TheHaniverse Yes, the question is whether they can do that, because they clearly haven't thought it through properly otherwise.
43:11 ADOR posted in NJ official Instagram account all cover spread of the said Vogue shoot, do u really think that they will post it or claim it officially if all contracts and agreements are not officially under ADOR? And no matter how big Vogue is i dont think they will take the risk of a court noise and drama and loosing the pocket of all hybe artistsjust to please MHJ and NJ.
This is really good info and you explained so well I almost think I could try to get one😂!
LOOOOOL 😂😂😂 I'd say you'd be better off just staying here and watching my videos instead 😂 the immigration office is scary!
But more seriously, thank you so much! Im glad you enjoyed and found the video useful ☺️💜
if there are numerous years left on hanni's contract with ador and she manages to get a visa on her own how does that affect the work ador lines up for the group in future?
It doesn't! If she changed to a resident's visa, it doesn't have any effect on her position/work, and it would actually cut the company out of her visa process all together. Any visa she needs for work in other countries like japan or the us would still be the same though, and ADOR would likely assist with those :3
45:01 I thought it wa the Shinhan bank because of the wording they used for why they aren't renewing their contract with Ador (NJ was their models)
Honestly who even knows at this point, this story has so many branches, it's hard to keep up with everything 💀
Omega actually followed the official NewJeans account, so that deal was probably intercepted and done through ADOR
I'd also guess that Vogue has creative freedom for how they present the artists in their photoshoots. Unless the contract states that the NewJeans branding has to be used, then they didnt exactly do anything illegal. One could argue that it's misleading, but as long as they pay ADOR accordingly then it's just a crime of hurt feelings really lmao
Al principio siguió la cuenta nueva sola y parece que Ador, le dio una advertencia y después siguió la cuenta oficial también.
but who said Vogue paid Ador. they're trying to get around this by using fake NJ name and or the girls own names. but sincerely who knows what the contract with vogue was
@@geekyreader34 si Vogue actúa sin informar a Ador y solo habla con NJ. Está interviniendo en el contrato de exclusividad y Ador puede demandar .
It is rumoured heavily by reliable sources it was Omega who approached Ador to advise of the NJ Manager try to set up advertising outside of Ador.
Also the Vogue shoot was an already scheduled activity.
The only activity that Ador has pointed out to be unsanctioned is the interview they did with CBS Korea. It was also CBS Korea that had the only interview with MHJ post that train wreck of press conference she called. Ador has sent the warning shot to CBS Korea they have them in their sights.
Yes exactly, I think the main question is did Vogue credit ADOR or not inside the magazine - I think no mention of ADOR at all would be weird, but I don't think it needs to be on the front cover.
And yes, someone else pointed out that the Omega deal was likely official because of how long it would take to set up such a deal.
I’m curious to know what Knetz think about the girls and their actions so far?
At first they had a lot of supporters and sympathy, but ever since the YT live stream they've slowly been losing support. I've spoken to so korean Bunnies and they say they wish NJs would just stop and finish things with ador and then join MHJ after the 5 years is up - the people I've spoken to acknowledge their current attitude is a bad play!
@34:54 Non-citizens of Korea cannot take part in the politics in Korea. There was a channel of a black guy that looked into it, his lawyers told him, He can't even go to the rallies and film it. If he participated in the rallies he could be deported.
Yes, I'm aware of this, but I think it's because it was done as part of the team that she was able to do it.
(However deportation is not a direct punishment for any crime except being undocumented. You'd be punished legally which can stop you being able to renew your visa/get s new visa - and then they'd deport you lolol)
like imagine how much money the brand can generate working with newjeans through tampering versus how little they are gonna pay for fines and lawsuit. I think omega watch was thinking that it is worth the risk. who cares about the fine and controversies if newjeans can sell their products to public astronomically.
Excellent knowledge thanks
I'm glad you found it informative! ☺️💜
Ik they aren’t using the new jeans name in the magazine and in their current activities but isn’t each member contracted individually as themselves like they didn’t sign in one contract each signed their own papers. yk what I mean?
Yes! Technically each of them would have their own individual contract, but the contents should be identical, so if one clause was broken, that clause would exist in all of their contracts.
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Thank you for watching! 🥹💜
Hanni’s feigning ignorance. maybe she thought she’s a celebrity people around her were just take care of it.
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so does ador have any legal standing? like it seems these NJ girls are just getting away with their disgusting behavior. whats the point of having a contract.
Legal actions take time, Ador has lodged its first case the validation of the contract. Lawyer of Seoul gives an analysis of the outcome of a potential case, and has advised the NJ girls to get independent legal advice, as no lawyer with any ethics working for the girls (key point) would recommend the actions they are taking. He stated Ador will win, and a penalty will be required to be paid if they want to be released. He implied the legal team/advice appears to be for a third party interest, so tampering.
Oh absolutely, that's why they filed the lawsuit to prove the contract validity - it's just that the existence of the lawsuit calls into question the contract itself, so everyone is kinda making their own rules until the courts decide something - unfortunately that case is just going to take a long ass time.
@ its crazy. In the mean time NJ will just continue to humiliate Ador until the darn court system settles this crap. But i still believe they should not keep NJ. Especially if they have the audacity to disrespect their company so publicly.
Can't she apply for a different type of Visa? I don't think she'll be deported
She can buy a 300,000 condo
I answered your question in the video XD
Assuming you mean $300,000 USD, I can tell you there are no 'condos' in Seoul for that price, the best she could get is a studio apartment with a small side room. She absolutely could get an apartment if necessary, but she needs a visa to stay in the country :3
@@TheHaniverse I must have missed that part of your video but it becomes a resident play buying property is there a Visa for that
They scrapped the property investment visa after Moon stopped being president bc it was just driving up housing prices, I spoke about the other investment visas she could get for like 10 minutes of the video 😅
Hanni would be in limbo for five years if she tried f2- 12
No, not really, the visa is granted at moment she invests, and is valid for the full 5 years as long as she doesn't withdraw her investment. After the 5 years she can change to an F5 without any additional investment.
The real issue is that her exclusive contract with ADOR would still be valid, so she still needs to dispute that to do any other work
@TheHaniverse oh ok
Why all astimeted time us so long, simply law things i. Korea are this lonf ir what , bc in theory it us simple question "is tge contract valid?", they look into it and give the verdict and xase can move, why people think it will take 2 years, when MHJ did this injunction things it was all so fast...
I understand that later case woukd ve long like this old case with sm and tvxq(?forgot name?), but simply give opinion if contract is legal, really thry need so much time.
The 2 year period is coming from actual lawyers in Korea monitoring the case, but it's just an estimation.
On ADOR’s side, it's quite an easy case as you said, they show the contract, show they've been working well and still are, done.
But NJs will do everything they can to try and present evidence of being neglected, causing there to be multiple hearings and investigation and witnesses, and then ADOR will have to present evidence to the contrary - this is what will make the case take so long.
For the TVXQ/JYJ situation, they reached a settlement after 5 years - ie, no verdict was actually met. In 5050 case, the court sided with the comoany after about a year, but they were mainly claiming lack of payment which was shown to be wrong. NJs case is more nuanced because mistreatment could be a lot of things and will take more effort to prove/disprove
If gay marriage was legal in Korea she could marry MHJ and get a visa that way maybe? Just a joke
The Most Hated KPOP Idol by KNetz ---- HANNI!!!
So Hanni will probably be fine.
Če se ukvarjaš s prevarami in lažmi, nikoli ne bo dobro.
Mientras que siga con MHJ, nose 😅
It is basically an Ador checkmate when it comes to Hanni.
Visa wise, I would say so!
It's not a 'checkmate' because ADOR never had a problem with her visa 😅 it was simply 'is Hanni an illegal immigrant or not' and the answer is just 'no'.
Both Hanni and NJ are basically stuck with HYBE/Ador unless another label takes them in or buys them out. Such a mess. I can only empathize because I know what it's like working in a hostile work environment. Hopefully everything will settle by 2025. Best of luck to them.
Hostile? Hanni nor any of the other members have filed a lawsuit to show proof of any mistreatment by Ador. Saying something is true needs to be backed up with proof. I feel bad these girls chose loyalty to 🧢 rather than working hard and becoming incredibly successful! It could take years for the courts to sort this out. Sadly they don't have years unless they have someone to pay their penalty. I wish them the best but it doesn't look promising.
It only became hostile because they tried to commit tampering.
Quien tiene el dinero para esa deuda?
Y la falta de compromiso con el contrato de exclusividad, también las hace un riesgo 😅
What idiot would ever trust them to sign a contract then not try to wiggle out of it. They are something business wise you would not touch with a barge pole let alone sit down and sign a contract with.
Lawyer of Seoul gives an analysis of the outcome of a potential case, and has advised the NJ girls to get independent legal advice, as no lawyer with any ethics working for the girls (key point) would recommend the actions they are taking. He stated Ador will win, and a penalty will be required to be paid if they want to be released. He implied the legal team/advice appears to be for a third party interest, so tampering.