I still don’t understand the labeling of cooking and cleaning as feminine. Like do you like living and existing as a person, or just rolling around in filth? They are such human activities, to label them blows my mind.
They are feminine if you’re in a relationship which most people will seek to be in. Men hunt and gather, women take care of the kids and house. 5’1 Britney isn’t hunting lions. Lol
gender roles. that is why these 3rd and 9th genders based on divison of work and expectations are so special. imagine if our "tomboys" were seen in such great light
@@TheNecessaryEvil Funfact: in a proper modern relationship housework is split between both man and woman because that's what you do if you live in a shared household. A lot of modern families do this, in fact.
pretty sure theyre just explaining the role of being two spirited. they take on the jobs that women would normally do, thus being feminine roles in their community. not they are being feminine from washing dishes.
Most of the cultures that had third genders were not "genderfluid", that is in fact a modern western concept about gender. To be truly de-colonial we would get rid of this modern concept. In traditional cultures with third genders what you most often see is a partriarichal culture with strict gender roles. Female people generally have no choice but to be women, most male people will be men but there will be an option for a small number of males to be a third gender. All 3 gender roles have strict rules, they are not fluid. And everyone in the tribe understood that this third gender was still male in biology.
The second story about India proves you wrong seeing how Hinduism is even older then the Abrahamic religions and she is right about India's original views on Gender....you have no clue what you are talking about, yet again confusing Gender with Sexuality. And I'm Native American and not all natives agree on the definition of Two spirit, and sorry science is on our side and I could careless about what you think from a cultural point of view from a western white perspective!
@@SkinWalker882012 I’m not white, thanks for making assumptions about me. I know the difference between gender and sexuality but apparently a lot of people don’t know the difference between gender identity and gender roles. If you want to import postmodern western concepts of gender into your culture I can’t stop you but I’m not rewriting the history of my people for the sake of the colonisers. Do we see a traditional role for masculine women in India? No, it doesn’t exist. There may be myths with gender fluidity but in real life women couldn’t just become men or become a third gender.. they were not allowed to be “fluid”. To say it was true is to ignore real tradition and shove western ideas onto Indian culture.
Dude, don’t even bother trying. The people who agree with the video are so goddamned ignorant that they won’t listen to anything you say, not matter how historically accurate you may be.
The Philippines has many indigenous LGBTQIA+ concepts. Baguyin, bantut, bayut, asog, mentefuwaley, asog, and many others. All of these terms were not discriminatory before, but due to colonization and the importation of Abrahamic religions (Christianity and Islam), some became slurs. Thankfully, "slurred" terms have been restored to their original meaning in some communities. But there are still many extremely homophobic areas such as the Bangsamoro, where murders and attempted murders against LGBT Filipinos have been recorded as recently as a few weeks ago. More needs to be done by government, especially in legislation.
I am genuinely curious about pre colonial history of the Philippines, can you recommend sites, books or youtube channels that educate about this matter?
You understand that gender roles and gender are separate things... Also "man and woman " are "western" concepts... they literally exist in every single culture... Ironically its transgenderism thats a western invention
Uh maybe do a little more research on these topics. I almost dropped my jaw when she said india was non binary friendly.... lol who paid these people to say this shit
Hm - the transgender person from the indigenous Australian community who says their culture has a third gender fails to explain how intrinsically binary their culture actually is. So much so, they restrict specific actions to only men and only women, i.e. "men's business" and "women's business" which orders with their sacred beliefs. In fact I had an Indigenous Australian person try to explain to me how un-sexists their groups of male and female activities is because he was scared in explaining his culture to a western audience he would be called a 'sexist', ironically. So, I've no doubt that this person is experiencing discrimination from their own culture - probably because their culture doesn't understand what this person is doing.
Yeah, they keep lying, applying stupid postmodern French ideas to existing cultures. They're colonizing their elite luxury beliefs into indigenous cultures and rewriting them. It's disgusting and dishonest. They're lying.
Extremely to fit the narrative they are being paid to push. Life is hard enough why make it harder? Luv who u are & none of this would matter. U can change your looks all u want but will still be you. Better learn to love yourself, u can’t get away from yourself no matter how hard you try.
@@icymmd7060 So people of different cultures discussing their culture's views and understanding on what gender means to them, is what "pushing a narrative to the extreme" looks like to you? These people are respectfully talking about how gender to them is not the same as the west's binary concept. Even then, some places in the west have recognised that constricting something as complicated as gender to a binary is harmful and incorrect, because not everyone resonates with the male and female binary. Gender fluidity and construct couldn't be discussed back then because it was illegal for many years, and some countries still refuse to accept transgender or genderqueer individuals as people who deserve rights as much as cisgendered people. The truth may be complicated for you to comprehend, but that's why people need more platforms and freedom to teach. The truth about gender is not restricted by sex. It is far more complex than that
what I am confused about is why there are even gender roles, why can't we just get rid of the idea that there's anything besides being able to grow another human being in a uterus that makes us different. That's the only true difference, That's it, so if we can get clear on that wouldn't all of this become resolved?
If we could teach all future generations what you stated, then yes, gender would no longer be a topic of debate. Gender roles are the only reason why people can’t stand non-traditional genders. But it would take a lot of time for the majority of humanity to come to a collective agreement on abolishing gender roles. I doubt it will happen, so the best we can do? Tell others that gender roles don’t have to be so present in EVERYONE’S life, and if someone cares about them less than you do, live and let live. No one is harming others by ignoring gender roles. You’re not harming others by conforming to them. It’s only when someone forces their opinions about gender roles onto others when we have a problem.
gender roles are important to some cultures, while in others, people wish to destroy them. girls can fight, men can keep house. but to others, girls who fight are given a special name, and men who keep house are considered something different
It's simply not true? Aboriginal cultural has always been "binary" and he has made up his own definition of brother boy and sister girl? Does anyone care about the fact he's lying?
it's a western ideology reinterpreting traditional cultures. they don't even realise that by spreading this misinformation they are colonising these cultures all over again
As a Trans two Spirit Native American who lives life to its 100%, I hate it when cishet people talk for me when they have no idea and this comment section and most comment sections are like that. I understand a lot are just 12 year olds being shitty but if you are not 12 and still talk like "there are only two genders" even though the mounting evidence to the contrary that these cishet people just want to ignore, if you Ignore that you're just not a serious human being and not going to get very fare. Sorry I will use a saying they love against them, Fact don't care about you're feelings! Go read a science book thats not tainted by Christianity or white propaganda.
You mean, "go read stuff that agrees with me, THOSE facts are the ones I care about." And what the hell is "white" propaganda? You think white people are the only homophobic people that exist? Take your 2 spirit ass to the middle East and see, or maybe they're tainted by Christianity and "white" propaganda too? BTW I'm not 12.
Exactly. It really saddens me when people dismiss other people's experiences because they aren't theirs. I studied Anthropology as an undergraduate and I can tell you, humanity has never been binary in anything. Not gender or sexuality, not religion, not colour, nothing and it is about time we stop forcing things that are not in our nature because diversity is what made us survive and thrive as a species.
"As a flying spaghetti monster who has completely lost touch with reality, disregard everything else I have to say because I'm obviously a lunatic." There, I fixed it for you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The title is misleading. It refers to gender identities but the video is actually about cultural gender *ROLES*. Gender identities and gender roles are two different things. Also fluidity refers to a gender changing over time, which was not discussed at all in this video. The four categories that one dude describes at 1:00 are derived from the binary between masculinity and femininity. Also the fact he identified as feminine because he weaves, cooks, and cleans reinforces gender stereotypes. Men can do all those things. This all goes to show why gender ideology doesn’t make any sense.
of course, but to some,. those genders cannot exist without it. a man who is a girly girl, is a man who is girly girl. in another culture, those people are seen as "wowhhhhh woweee a 8th gender" or it seems to be. meanwhile when we tell a girl she can't play with the trucks, that is mean.
They don't reinforce gender stereotypes, they follow gender stereotypes that have been forced upon them and have existed for thousands of years before their birth.
No, they're not. Gender is performative. Go look it up. Judith Butler defined gender as being performed, not something you have or are. You're the one misrepresenting. "Gender identity" is "identifying" with a "gender role." Which is adopting mannerisms and other stupid stereotypes. Which is to say, "gender" and "gender idenitty" don't exist. You are what you are. You can't "identify" into something else. If you "identify as" something you're saying that you're not that thing. "Identify as a wolf," means you're not a wolf. A human doesn't need to "identify" as a human. They just are. A man doesn't need to identify as a man, he just is. Stop perpetuating regressive, conservative, narrow stereotypes.
Um... I think you misunderstood me. Please allow me to elaborate. Gender is a synonym for sex, meaning it is innate and not performative. A philosopher, which is basically a glorified opinion haver, is not an authority on defining words. Gender identity is a belief of what one’s gender is without regard to biology. Gender roles are the performative social constructs. I’m not perpetuating stereotypes; I actually reject them. I also don’t agree when masculinity and femininity are referenced as personality traits. I think we’re agreeing.
@@TagSpamCop Also thank you for mentioning that the stereotypes are conservative. I'm glad to see people starting to realize that gender ideology has conservative elements to it.
thanks! this resonated way more than other videos i've watched on gender fluidity and so weird people are choosing to focus on the 1 or 2 instances that gender roles are mentioned. they speak about much more than that!
How DARE you speak of someone else's reality that makes me think outside of my binary and preconceived notions of an ever-changing society !!!1!1!1!!!1 😡😡😡😡
My lived experience is that obsessing about gender identity is a fabulous way to waste time when you're not doing useful things like training to become a plumber, software engineer, nurse or solicitor. And that most of this stuff is trivially unimportant to most people. Who just want to get on with their lives without having this obsession about "gender" rammed down their throats. And that before the englightenment, started in the western world, the world was far more barbaric and intolerant. Just like it is in many Islamic countries today.
"someone else's reality" No, you mean someone else's opinion. This is a serious problem, this misconception you people have that what a person thinks or feels has anything at all to do with reality. Reality is objective, not subjective. It doesn't matter how you feel. A man can think he's a woman all he wants, it won't change the fact that he's a man, just as I can think of myself as a dragon all I want, I'll still be a human at the end of the day. Learn the difference between fact and opinion, stop choosing the latter over the former.
Sex is simple...male or female (with room for DSDs). Personalities (and self-expression) are complex. Men and women should have more freedom and not think they have to destroy the sex binary, which cannot be done, in order to do so.
i would agree with you that they are connected. but as you have seen in the video, different cultures interpret this connection differently.@@franksanz1044
he has male sexual organs and XY genes. But that is not the end of the story, just the beginning. the point is not that "wearing a dress and having personality do not make him not a biological man". The point is that being a biological man does not induce that he have to limit his personality and behavior to the current transitory dominant localized idea of what a man behavior should be. his testimony is just stating who he defines he is and that he wants to be respected and accepted as such. Not put in others limited definitions. He is not asking other to be like him.
@justforfun6124 The fact that he is a man doesn't need to limit his behavior or personality. Who is telling a man he must act in a certain way to be a man? Not me. Not most people. That is my point. The concept of gender identity does imply that men need to behave in a certain way. The gender identity concept says that if men don't behave in a certain way, they must describe themselves with some gender word. This is terribly reductive. We need to move beyond this outdated way of thinking.
@justforfun6124 Actually, what you are saying is the exact opposite of the gender identity movement. We agree. No man is a man because he has a certain personality or behavior. The gender identity movement believes behavior or feelings determine whether someone is a man or a woman. We disagree.
Just when we thought we had a clear understanding of what defined a man and a woman now we’re been told that they’re not defined at birth but can be selected during our lifetime. Wow.
Not selected, really. I didn’t choose to be non-binary; that is just a fact of my existence. There’s psychology to support this, too, if you’re curious
But also, there really was never any clear understanding of what a man or a woman was, because sex isn’t binary and neither is gender. There are lots of exceptions, and doctors just assign you a certain gender at birth to make it easier just based on which sex you are most similar to. (Though most people fit within the two major categories of female and male.) Hence the term “assigned gender.” And then gender is a completely separate thing, being a social construct(in other words, a categorization of people based on certain qualities they have, and everyone categorizes it a little bit differently). It’s a complicated subject.
The Nadle of the Navajo was not a “third gender.” A real Nadle was intersex (very rare, and a genetic condition-not a socially-constructed identity). A “pretend” Nadle (yes, the Navajo called them that) was a man who rejected the male activities of hunting/war. Even the Navajo distinguished between real/pretend. “Transvestite” is closer to the real meaning. This “Gender fluid” label and “transgender” label is a Western-inspired anachronism being grafted into old tribal traditions (it’s the reverse of the title’s claim-it’s an LGBT whitewashing of history). The Nadle was treated as halfman-halfwoman (Cheyenne had a similar role for hemaneh). These were not “gender-fluid.” They were respected-within boundaries. They had strict tribal roles as a fringe group of mascots, were treated as witch doctors, and had ceremonial roles as medicine men (or medics in war). They weren’t allowed to hunt/fight, even if they wanted to. This is due to the strict division between male/female roles AS THEY WERE TIED TO SEX. The Cheyenne hemaneh were medics/love potion makers/good luck charms in war. Generally, they were treated as repositories or masculine virility because they were abstinent. They didn’t intermarry, and so had no sexual role in society. Abstinence=virility=war prowess. Just like Europe (which distinguished between masculine and effeminate men), thus the natives. No difference, except it’s chic to colonize tribals culture and pretend it’s all transgender TURTLES all the way down. So silly.
@@Orion-lt3zz It’s funny you should say that. Because this video was just a regurgitation of modern, white, Western LGBTQ theory straight from a gender studies department at Berkeley-not Native American cultural history. I gave you specific anthropological observations made by western scholars WHO LIVED FOR YEARS with actual natives who taught them their culture over a century ago. This 2 Spirit nonsense was invented in the 90s. It’s basically NA Kwanzaa.
@@elliefuller3667 “Turtles” is an insult-to very foolish claims with shortsighted premises. Claim: “The world is resting on the back of a turtle.” Skeptic: “Is it now? Then what is the turtle standing on.” Reply: “It’s turtles all the way down.”
@@blackgateboxingxuanmenquan6407 So you’re attempting to insult transgender people, for what exactly? What do you personally have to gain by insulting trans people? What are trans people doing that is so personally impactful that you feel the necessity to insult? One of my favorite quotes I’ve seen online applies to you very well: “You don’t have to disrespect and insult others simply to hold your own ground. If you do that, it shows how shaky your own position is.” Insults are arguably the highest form of insecurity, if you felt so self-assured and confident in your opinion/perspective, you would not have felt the need to insult anyone with your comment. Seems like you’re on shaky ground.
Not one of these examples directly addresses the distinction between sex and gender. It's borderline narcissistic/masturbatorial. This is what happens to humanity when we get so privileged and comfortable that we no longer have to worry about real external problems like food, shelter, and predators: all that energy gets rerouted and unfortunately for the majority of us it stokes the desire to willfully ignore/rewrite reality to conform to ones subjective whims instead of having to grow as a human and cast aside subjective feelings when faced with cold hard truths. The gender issue is just the most recent iteration of this phenomenon, we have been doing this same thing for several millennia
@@yol_n “if you’re a girl, a boy, or nonbinary, you should get away from all the normal people!!” Man I guess us agender folks are the only normal ones lmao
Colonialism didnt kill gender fluidity. Science did. At this point, the word “gender” has absolutely no relevence or significance bc everyone is continuously making up their own definitions for the term. There are 2 sexes: male, female. Either gender is linked to sex, meaning there are 2 genders, or its just something ppl use to describe their personality & should be taken no more seriously than what someone’s favorite color or food is.
I’m a gay man and I stand for 🏳️🌈-rights any day. What s*he said about the two-spirit ceremonial role: Indigenous tribes do not agree on this term and definition and it was a collective neologism for a number of different social roles within the tribes known as the Ojibwe. Also, the term Two Gender was coined at a 🏳️🌈-First Native Summit in 1990, it was created to fit an aspect of native American culture into the rainbow narrative. Stop misrepresenting culture and tradition to fit your narratives. This is incorrect.
Exactly. The vast majority of Native American tribes do not have the concept of a “two-spirit” in their culture, yet the gender activists will pick out a few tribes that did and claim that all Native Americans tribes did until the Europeans arrived. When we examine their folktales and read testimonies of people who interacted or lived among the Natives, we do not see much, if any, evidence of a ‘third gender’.
@@StockyDude Yes, this is just the whole Noble Savage beliefs all over again. They claim to be 'decolonising' indigenous gender but they are actually imposing their modern western ideology onto indigenous people.
@@StockyDude I don't remember any point in the video where it says 'all Native Americans'. This person talks about their own tribe. There are numerous tribes around the world (including mine) that, pre-colonisation' didn't have the gender restrictive ideals that are common today. I'm not going to say all former colonies had this, but there is mounting evidence of numerous tribes that do.
@@qtrustThere is not “mounting evidence”. The Apache have a single source mentioning “two-spirit” in a vague manner. Anthropologists admit that other tribes using the term don’t seem to be talking about gender at all. The problem is that now we have gender activists reinterpreting small amounts of evidence to suit their agenda. They’re weaponizing anthropology and history for their political goals.
@@magdalena_dewinter 😂 Bro British is a culture lol Russians are white and they have culture and hertiage as well, so do white Brits🤦🏼♂️. Asians and black people as a whole don't have a culture or hertiage. White people culture is mordren technology
I am not a female or male, I am your Spanish colonial frigate. Since I was born I have identified myself as an authentic 16th century Frigate with a very refined design thanks to my amaranth wood and I demand a lot of respect. If you want my friendship, do not send me flowers because I am not a woman and do not send me the Real Madrid Box Set because I am not a man ... I only accept Gold coins and Gold or Silver bars. Thanks.
Because progress against gender stereotypes is good. The notion that wearing a dress, cooking or dancing makes a male a woman or third gender needs to be scrapped. We need to move on....
The concept of gender fluidity is ironically 'colonialist' as well (in the context of SEA). In Thailand and the Bugis, it is accept that the third and fourth genders are born the way they are and they cannot simply just change their gender orientation
"As a flying spaghetti monster who has completely lost touch with reality, disregard everything else I have to say because I'm obviously a lunatic." There, I fixed it for you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yup, if he was too scared to go hunting buffalo and swimming deep for fish he could have just told the chief instead of crossdressing and pretending to be a girl 🤣🤣
No child should be shamed for what kind of costume he feels like wearing while being in a play he and his friends are putting on at the time. No child should be shamed only because of what his or her body anomalies which were present at their birth. Like an anomalie present in the urinary tract system only. Or one undescended Tesits in their reproductive system. Gender roles are way different in Indigenous cultures. Not something to be used as an excuse by any elder in their conflict of interests who is disrespecting and exploiting a young person while hoping to make them into their slave or into their second class marriage partner. Differing sex drives in marriage between persons of 2 genders at conception in utero is no grounds for divorce after their marriage is consumated. No matter what their skin color and what their first language is. Each tribe had different trraditional gender roles. How did people from different tribes communicate at work in healthy ways while honoring differences in culture? Had nothing to do with what some infants look like at birth. Readiness for marriage in Indigenous culture language is often being misunderstood. 3 words or so from so many languages which are dying out are not to be miscontrued during any conflict of interest to further ostracise anyone or to put them into a permanent stereotypical box. Thanks to how Indigenous people were often being exploited while living near a colonial Fort our cultures have been corrupted. Including how more infants than before look like at borth near oil and other mineral exploration sites or on reserves set aside on land that should not be farmed because raw Uranium deposits are there. The number of words to describe snow were numerous in Indigenous culture too. One day while serving people a fellow from Saskatchewan told me what life was like while living on a reservation where Uranium deposits were ubiquitous. No he didn't seem that different than the norm.
from what they say, i take these cultures have an equally sexist understanding of role models as western society does.(i.e. jeronimo saying "i can also do feminine activities, such as cooking or cleaning.") having more then three genders is not progressive or emancipatory, if you still deduce personal qualities or behavior from it.
I mean I get your point but o don’t personally think that it’s sexist to say cooking is feminine. It’s coded feminine and traditionally feminine but men clearly cook. Sure eventually ideally we would move beyond the division of labour as gendered altogether I’m our culture for sure, but I don’t see this as problem in this persons culture. It’s their culture not ours. If they don’t feel it’s sexist to code something feminine and they don’t suffer sexism. Then it’s ok for them. It’s not our place to judge too much unless they ask for help and it causes harm.
i would question if they didnt suffer sexism. in most northern american native cultures women are excluded from councils for example..@@innervoicejargon
Enough already of straightjacket gender roles! It's so tiring right now! They are different variations of masculine and feminine! Let gender evolve and set gender free of stereotypes!
Brother boy is such a nice term for what westerners would think of as transmasculine. I like the implication of not just gender but relation to others by the term brother.
From what I watch in these videos, people who claim to change their gender mostly reflect it by dressing up like how the other sex usually dresses. Sometimes they dress up a bit like this and that. In Islam, adultery/fornication and anal sex are considered immoral and thus prohibited. In order to prevent the triggers for these immotalities, male and female spaces are segregated and inter-mixing of sexes is limited to necessity. In order to limit the inter-mixing, sex is reflected through dress codes so that the opposite sex is identified with minimal looking. People taking up the opposite dress code (bcoz they like it) end up confusing others, and this may lead to immorality. Thus switching "genders" is prohibited too. Apart from dress codes, if a man's gestures look like that of a woman, he's considered effeminate but is tolerated if he is unable to imitate men. Women having male's gestures are kinda ok.
There are feminine man or masculine woman who can't change their condition, they are exception, but if they have functioning equipment, so their tolerable limit is only on being feminine or masculine, but they have to do the sexual activity to your opposite sex and no homosexuality.
I really would like to know does gender stereotypes (typical gender role in community) comes after fixing typical gender roles (like typical stereotypes male should be guy whose made money and female takes care for children) from cultures set life roles or visa versa?🤔🤔🤔
Also grpuping it w8thing the sex that sexualy arouses you is bang out of order i kbow its complicated the word sex keaning 2 different things but stay away from the kids cuz the revoupt is real
Fulfilling two gender roles means twice the work. Like you’re actually expected to do double the work. Navajo trans people live hard lives because you’re laboring to fill those roles. Visit the reservation and you’ll see they are toiling for their families. Navajos would reject the notion that there are two spirits it’s a concept that is incongruent with our concept of personhood. As a Navajo I’d say biligaanas would never fully understand our thinking around gender and personhood. As most Navajos would say “theres no translation in English”.
I agree that gender and sexuality are now becoming a trendy topic in society. The awareness is growing for sexuality laws and rights. In the video, I am glad that it includes the history of the two great cultures that have dealt with hardships of Gender and sexuality. Anthropologists research the community that has lost its history about gender fluidity. The world is evolving and changing, but that doesn't mean the culture has to change with it. Geronimo's story is an excellent example of what some of the Native communities go through. Americans try to teach a lie about native's history. Until I watch this video, I do not know about the Gender and sexuality roles of the natives. Androgyny was common in these communities, but now that colonialism changed and "gotten rid of" the culture's gender and sexuality identity roles.
For centuries, sex was synonymous with gender identity. Only recently have we seen academics pushing the idea that gender identity is fluid, and insisting that everyone adopt their new definitions and ideas. They’re also reinterpreting history to say that most non-Western cultures, because they were tolerant of homosexuality and cross dressing, believed in more than 1 gender. That is false. They had terms to refer to people who did not live by the traditionally assigned gender roles; that does not mean they saw those people as totally different genders. In the Philippines, for example, all folktales and pre-colonial religions use binary genders. Do not confuse tolerance and acceptance of people who live differently with a belief in a different gender. If that’s the case, we would be able to invent gender categories based on preferred hobbies.
Don’t include the Philippines in this nonsense. Many in Mindanao and Visayas were Muslims. That means their societies were gender binary. For Filipino natives that were not Muslims, their folk tales speak of princes, princesses, warriors, etc. There is no evidence that they did not follow a gender binary culture. The Igorots, Negritos, Zambales, and Ifugao all followed gender binary. There is very little evidence to support a claim that any Filipino tribe accepted the idea of gender fluidity. Throughout most of the Philippines, terms such as ‘datu’ and ‘raja’ were in common use. These terms came from Indonesia and Malaysia, countries where the cultures were gender binary, where men and women had very distinct expectations.
This documentary/video says it all transgenerlism has always existed from Ancient cultures! Also it’s had always been in existence! It’s when Europeans/white peoples invaded n colonised these places/islands/continents it’s when they judge/oppose to the idea that there are other genders! N that’s y we are having all these tensions toward the LGPQT community! Leave us alone we were here and will always be here! So let’s all be greatful for the beautiful individuals we are and embrace it with love n light🥰😍
Yes, homosexuality and people who don't conform to gender stereotypes have always existed. I'm sure gender dysphoria has existed for a very long time. Though many traditional non-western cultures include acceptance of homosexuality, lots of traditional cultures have elements of homophobia in them. They all have enforced gender roles. Some allow for a specific sex, usually the male one, to have 2 gender role options. But that's very different from this new western concept of "gender fulidity" and choosing your own identity, which is actually what is colonising other cultures currently, trying to replace their traditional gender roles with queer theory.
I think for me I will stick with "white mans" culture. It seems to make the most sense and has contributed the most to making my life happy. Other cultures should do them tho in their own countries and we should not expect them to have to change. If other countries want to have lots of genders great, as long as my culture( man+ women=family) and my beliefs are respected and followed in my country.
So you're saying that because im in your society, i should have to live the same cookie-cutter life as you? Why should i have to abide by YOUR beliefs? What makes you the morally superior person here?
@@fish_toes I did not personally create European Christian culture. Its a long standing creation of a specific people with similar beliefs, language, tradition and ancestry. My people fought died and sacrificed to build nations based on their beliefs and culture. As I have no desire to change other peoples culture I would appreciate it if people would not try to change mine.
Great! Think what you must think about yourself, but do not impose on my rights, comfort, and safety when we must be segregated by biological sex in bathrooms.
@@markbrook7468 Too bad science tells us gender isn’t the same as sex and that sex itself isn’t even a binary. There’s cis men who later discovered that based upon their chromosomes, they’re biological women. If this happened to you, would you change your gender identity bebaue of your chromosomes?
@@markbrook7468 You’d have male genitalia but not male chromosomes. Some people lack male genitalia but have male chromosomes. Also what about infertile men?
I think (from what I’ve seen) it’s an umbrella term for all of those including trans people (basically anyone with both male and female spirits - can be in gender and sexuality - correct me if wrong)
Gender and sex are synonym terms meaning the same thing since the beginning of the terms existence. It’s only in recent years that people are trying to divorce the two terms in an attempt to force peoples perception to misalign with reality. What you are born as is reality If your perception doesn’t align with reality then you suffer from gender dysphoria. Reality doesn’t change, perception does. If someone refuses to misalign their perception with reality then they are considered transphobic for refusing to believe or accept something that isn’t true. It’s like using reverse psychology on people who want to know and proclaim truth by saying they are hating when it’s the trans community that hate people so much for only wanting to live by truth and reality. It’s disgusting to hate people for not accepting a false reality just because you embrace it.
"Gender and sex are synonym terms meaning the same thing since the beginning of the terms existence." Wrong. This is not historical at all. Boys have not always been called boys. Until the late 15th century the word ‘girl’ simply means a child of either "sex". Boys, where they had to be differentiated, were referred to as ‘knave girls’ and girls in the "female" sense were called ‘gay girls’. Equally, a boy could be a ‘knave child’ and a girl a ‘maiden child’. A shit-ton of medical and psychological institutions validate trans identities. Facts are facts, regardless of whether it disagrees with your personal beliefs and feelings.
Human concepts are... human concepts. Start from here. All concepts and paradigms are historical products. Sex an gender have a long, rich and complex history - believe it or not, they already have changed and evolved a lot, and will change again. That's the way human history goes. For the rest... if you try to justify why you despise or pathologise trans people by some very basic misconceptions about the human intellectual production, well, ... it just won't work. Maybe you'd better avoid accusing inconsiderately people you may not understand of "acceptind a false reality" .
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul my point is that even the most popular religion also has ties sacrifice just like some of these cultures might but that does not mean these cultures or religions actually still actively practice the act of human sacrifice 😑
Yeah. It seems like homophobia impacted native lands really when religious intolerant people came to other lands and started oppressing natives and spreading hateful ideologies. They justified it by sighting their religious books.
Colonials we’re so terrible! We enjoyed disease, drought, cannibalism, slavery, and human sacrifice until they came along and ruined everything. Everyone could deny reality back then, too, and if you wanted to say you were a flying unicorn with two heads, everyone believed you and treated you with the respect owed to a two headed unicorn. 😂🤷🏿
this can't even be called an argument. What do Muslim countries have to do with this video? Talk about distracting from the actual points made by this video. And how is this "cult education"? Is historical facts "culty" now?
@@richjuin9504 Alot 😂 would you disrespect Saudi Arabia history with this? Whats wrong with me Current history? Also Alot of Islamic history and Arabian history is similar to Western Christian history. Alot of historical figures are the same race (white)
We all know BBC doesn't want to be labeled racist for taking about white man Muhammed and his followers. The BBC calls people racist for drawing a picture of a racist white man who owned slaves and traded slaves... Leftist logic
What are you talking about? Homosexuality was punished by capital punishment in every white man society up until recently... *I noticed it got popular when Obama came around*
Ummm Science disagrees with these claims. Are we really saying it is an actual fact in reality for someone to have "two spirits"? Stop it. Do whatever you want but do not attempt to justify it with science.
An ingénue is right, there are actually numerous papers on genders and sexes. Science, as you put it (biology field with intersex individuals or human sciences, particularly anthropology), has already proven the existence of more than two genders/sexes, society is just a little slow to catch up, but hey, in its own time. Also, "Two-spirit" is actually a poor translation of numerous words to describe Native Americans' experience of gender, as suggested at 4:39, it's not meant to be taken literally, don't worry. ^^
A spirit isn’t an actual physical thing.... u do know that right? And when do scientists believe in souls? It’s not something they can poke and prod so y would they care
In the Philippines it was also fluid until Spain.
They were called asogs and bayugins
Ikrrrr and now there are so many transphobic Filipinos sadly
@@redacted7060 - You mean, to not be tolerant of people "different" from you?
@@redacted7060 seriously?
Viva España!
I still don’t understand the labeling of cooking and cleaning as feminine. Like do you like living and existing as a person, or just rolling around in filth? They are such human activities, to label them blows my mind.
They are feminine if you’re in a relationship which most people will seek to be in. Men hunt and gather, women take care of the kids and house. 5’1 Britney isn’t hunting lions. Lol
gender roles. that is why these 3rd and 9th genders based on divison of work and expectations are so special. imagine if our "tomboys" were seen in such great light
@@TheNecessaryEvil Funfact: in a proper modern relationship housework is split between both man and woman because that's what you do if you live in a shared household. A lot of modern families do this, in fact.
Amen. A male doesn't become a woman or third gender because he sweeps a floor or wears a dress.
pretty sure theyre just explaining the role of being two spirited. they take on the jobs that women would normally do, thus being feminine roles in their community. not they are being feminine from washing dishes.
Most of the cultures that had third genders were not "genderfluid", that is in fact a modern western concept about gender. To be truly de-colonial we would get rid of this modern concept. In traditional cultures with third genders what you most often see is a partriarichal culture with strict gender roles. Female people generally have no choice but to be women, most male people will be men but there will be an option for a small number of males to be a third gender. All 3 gender roles have strict rules, they are not fluid. And everyone in the tribe understood that this third gender was still male in biology.
The second story about India proves you wrong seeing how Hinduism is even older then the Abrahamic religions and she is right about India's original views on Gender....you have no clue what you are talking about, yet again confusing Gender with Sexuality. And I'm Native American and not all natives agree on the definition of Two spirit, and sorry science is on our side and I could careless about what you think from a cultural point of view from a western white perspective!
@@SkinWalker882012 I’m not white, thanks for making assumptions about me. I know the difference between gender and sexuality but apparently a lot of people don’t know the difference between gender identity and gender roles. If you want to import postmodern western concepts of gender into your culture I can’t stop you but I’m not rewriting the history of my people for the sake of the colonisers.
Do we see a traditional role for masculine women in India? No, it doesn’t exist. There may be myths with gender fluidity but in real life women couldn’t just become men or become a third gender.. they were not allowed to be “fluid”. To say it was true is to ignore real tradition and shove western ideas onto Indian culture.
@@SkinWalker882012 India is a bad place for women, especially with the feminicide that happened
Dude, don’t even bother trying. The people who agree with the video are so goddamned ignorant that they won’t listen to anything you say, not matter how historically accurate you may be.
@@SkinWalker882012 Hinduism is older than Judaism?
The Philippines has many indigenous LGBTQIA+ concepts. Baguyin, bantut, bayut, asog, mentefuwaley, asog, and many others. All of these terms were not discriminatory before, but due to colonization and the importation of Abrahamic religions (Christianity and Islam), some became slurs. Thankfully, "slurred" terms have been restored to their original meaning in some communities. But there are still many extremely homophobic areas such as the Bangsamoro, where murders and attempted murders against LGBT Filipinos have been recorded as recently as a few weeks ago. More needs to be done by government, especially in legislation.
Yessss so many people in PH are homophobic and transphobic unfortunately :((
Does the 'A' stand for attack helicopter?
Based PH
I am genuinely curious about pre colonial history of the Philippines, can you recommend sites, books or youtube channels that educate about this matter?
Viva España!
I adore learning about cultures with genders outside the percieved western gender norms so thank you for this
Wdym western literally most cultures have the same gender roles as the west Arabs Asians Africans most anti lgbt countries
This is not true
You understand that gender roles and gender are separate things...
Also "man and woman " are "western" concepts... they literally exist in every single culture...
Ironically its transgenderism thats a western invention
Uh maybe do a little more research on these topics. I almost dropped my jaw when she said india was non binary friendly.... lol who paid these people to say this shit
@@jessicamessica2271 "she" lol
Hm - the transgender person from the indigenous Australian community who says their culture has a third gender fails to explain how intrinsically binary their culture actually is. So much so, they restrict specific actions to only men and only women, i.e. "men's business" and "women's business" which orders with their sacred beliefs. In fact I had an Indigenous Australian person try to explain to me how un-sexists their groups of male and female activities is because he was scared in explaining his culture to a western audience he would be called a 'sexist', ironically. So, I've no doubt that this person is experiencing discrimination from their own culture - probably because their culture doesn't understand what this person is doing.
i read a lot about navajo and all i heard so far is the opposite of what this is implying...
Yeah, they keep lying, applying stupid postmodern French ideas to existing cultures. They're colonizing their elite luxury beliefs into indigenous cultures and rewriting them. It's disgusting and dishonest. They're lying.
there are different indigneous cultures..
Without thos strict rules, many cultures might have less, or maybe 90 more
maybe you're reading the wrong things? look up nádleehí @@feanorgu
I love the diversity of our human nature and cultures. Why can’t we celebrate and honour all expressions 🤘🏼
Exceptions don't make the world diverse, you cheese curd
I hope you know most of the people in the world is don't want diversity... Do you think the Saudis want diversity?
@@bryanbradley6871 come its a woman let her be delusional
White Americans are the most diverse people on the planet. White Americans are European, Middle Eastern, and North African hybirds
This is taking an ancient concept out of context.........
What is out of context about concepts that are very explicit in involving gender outside of just man and woman?
Extremely to fit the narrative they are being paid to push. Life is hard enough why make it harder? Luv who u are & none of this would matter. U can change your looks all u want but will still be you. Better learn to love yourself, u can’t get away from yourself no matter how hard you try.
@@icymmd7060 So people of different cultures discussing their culture's views and understanding on what gender means to them, is what "pushing a narrative to the extreme" looks like to you? These people are respectfully talking about how gender to them is not the same as the west's binary concept. Even then, some places in the west have recognised that constricting something as complicated as gender to a binary is harmful and incorrect, because not everyone resonates with the male and female binary. Gender fluidity and construct couldn't be discussed back then because it was illegal for many years, and some countries still refuse to accept transgender or genderqueer individuals as people who deserve rights as much as cisgendered people. The truth may be complicated for you to comprehend, but that's why people need more platforms and freedom to teach. The truth about gender is not restricted by sex. It is far more complex than that
@@icymmd7060 Tell that to someone who's dying of cancer. I mean, it's natural, so just let cancer take it's course. They need to love their bodies...
The BBC shows the depths of Academic Insanity ,--- we have the Mentally Insane Academics running the Universities and Media .
what I am confused about is why there are even gender roles, why can't we just get rid of the idea that there's anything besides being able to grow another human being in a uterus that makes us different. That's the only true difference, That's it, so if we can get clear on that wouldn't all of this become resolved?
Yooo y’all are wild. Gender is real! Please stop this lie.
If we could teach all future generations what you stated, then yes, gender would no longer be a topic of debate. Gender roles are the only reason why people can’t stand non-traditional genders. But it would take a lot of time for the majority of humanity to come to a collective agreement on abolishing gender roles. I doubt it will happen, so the best we can do? Tell others that gender roles don’t have to be so present in EVERYONE’S life, and if someone cares about them less than you do, live and let live. No one is harming others by ignoring gender roles. You’re not harming others by conforming to them. It’s only when someone forces their opinions about gender roles onto others when we have a problem.
I'm reading sex at dawn, highly recommend
We have sex roles because that’s how society and nature functions. From insects to animals to humans. Come up with a better system!!!
gender roles are important to some cultures, while in others, people wish to destroy them. girls can fight, men can keep house. but to others, girls who fight are given a special name, and men who keep house are considered something different
It's simply not true? Aboriginal cultural has always been "binary" and he has made up his own definition of brother boy and sister girl? Does anyone care about the fact he's lying?
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they lie constantly
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it's a western ideology reinterpreting traditional cultures. they don't even realise that by spreading this misinformation they are colonising these cultures all over again
Because no one sticks to consistent definitions of male, female, man, woman, we are constantly confusing each other.
Yeah right cuz woman are men's property right?
As a Trans two Spirit Native American who lives life to its 100%, I hate it when cishet people talk for me when they have no idea and this comment section and most comment sections are like that. I understand a lot are just 12 year olds being shitty but if you are not 12 and still talk like "there are only two genders" even though the mounting evidence to the contrary that these cishet people just want to ignore, if you Ignore that you're just not a serious human being and not going to get very fare. Sorry I will use a saying they love against them, Fact don't care about you're feelings! Go read a science book thats not tainted by Christianity or white propaganda.
You mean, "go read stuff that agrees with me, THOSE facts are the ones I care about."
And what the hell is "white" propaganda? You think white people are the only homophobic people that exist? Take your 2 spirit ass to the middle East and see, or maybe they're tainted by Christianity and "white" propaganda too? BTW I'm not 12.
Exactly. It really saddens me when people dismiss other people's experiences because they aren't theirs. I studied Anthropology as an undergraduate and I can tell you, humanity has never been binary in anything. Not gender or sexuality, not religion, not colour, nothing and it is about time we stop forcing things that are not in our nature because diversity is what made us survive and thrive as a species.
"As a flying spaghetti monster who has completely lost touch with reality, disregard everything else I have to say because I'm obviously a lunatic." There, I fixed it for you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ok dude
The title is misleading. It refers to gender identities but the video is actually about cultural gender *ROLES*. Gender identities and gender roles are two different things. Also fluidity refers to a gender changing over time, which was not discussed at all in this video. The four categories that one dude describes at 1:00 are derived from the binary between masculinity and femininity. Also the fact he identified as feminine because he weaves, cooks, and cleans reinforces gender stereotypes. Men can do all those things. This all goes to show why gender ideology doesn’t make any sense.
of course, but to some,. those genders cannot exist without it. a man who is a girly girl, is a man who is girly girl. in another culture, those people are seen as "wowhhhhh woweee a 8th gender" or it seems to be. meanwhile when we tell a girl she can't play with the trucks, that is mean.
They don't reinforce gender stereotypes, they follow gender stereotypes that have been forced upon them and have existed for thousands of years before their birth.
No, they're not. Gender is performative. Go look it up. Judith Butler defined gender as being performed, not something you have or are. You're the one misrepresenting. "Gender identity" is "identifying" with a "gender role." Which is adopting mannerisms and other stupid stereotypes. Which is to say, "gender" and "gender idenitty" don't exist. You are what you are. You can't "identify" into something else. If you "identify as" something you're saying that you're not that thing. "Identify as a wolf," means you're not a wolf. A human doesn't need to "identify" as a human. They just are. A man doesn't need to identify as a man, he just is. Stop perpetuating regressive, conservative, narrow stereotypes.
Um... I think you misunderstood me. Please allow me to elaborate.
Gender is a synonym for sex, meaning it is innate and not performative. A philosopher, which is basically a glorified opinion haver, is not an authority on defining words. Gender identity is a belief of what one’s gender is without regard to biology. Gender roles are the performative social constructs. I’m not perpetuating stereotypes; I actually reject them. I also don’t agree when masculinity and femininity are referenced as personality traits.
I think we’re agreeing.
@@TagSpamCop Also thank you for mentioning that the stereotypes are conservative. I'm glad to see people starting to realize that gender ideology has conservative elements to it.
thanks! this resonated way more than other videos i've watched on gender fluidity
and so weird people are choosing to focus on the 1 or 2 instances that gender roles are mentioned. they speak about much more than that!
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How DARE you speak of someone else's reality that makes me think outside of my binary and preconceived notions of an ever-changing society !!!1!1!1!!!1 😡😡😡😡
They’re not making you, it’s just a poor way to describe what non-binary is
@Dani Damien right
My lived experience is that obsessing about gender identity is a fabulous way to waste time when you're not doing useful things like training to become a plumber, software engineer, nurse or solicitor.
And that most of this stuff is trivially unimportant to most people. Who just want to get on with their lives without having this obsession about "gender" rammed down their throats.
And that before the englightenment, started in the western world, the world was far more barbaric and intolerant. Just like it is in many Islamic countries today.
"someone else's reality" No, you mean someone else's opinion. This is a serious problem, this misconception you people have that what a person thinks or feels has anything at all to do with reality. Reality is objective, not subjective. It doesn't matter how you feel. A man can think he's a woman all he wants, it won't change the fact that he's a man, just as I can think of myself as a dragon all I want, I'll still be a human at the end of the day. Learn the difference between fact and opinion, stop choosing the latter over the former.
@@gazlink1in the West, you get fired for saying there are only two genders. You think that's tolerance?
Sex is simple...male or female (with room for DSDs). Personalities (and self-expression) are complex. Men and women should have more freedom and not think they have to destroy the sex binary, which cannot be done, in order to do so.
Male = man = XY
Female = woman = XX
It’s not that difficult; gender is not fluid or a spectrum
there's intersex XY female biologically.
I don't want to talk about gender fluid or trans. It's another topic, but intersex is biology.
you mean sex, not gender
@@MaxStirner-dp4zr Nope, I meant gender, which is connected to biological sex; you cannot make up a gender; gender is not a social construct
i would agree with you that they are connected. but as you have seen in the video, different cultures interpret this connection differently.@@franksanz1044
He was observed and recorded, apparently according to him, accurately as male. Wearing a dress and having a personality doesn't make him not a man.
he has male sexual organs and XY genes. But that is not the end of the story, just the beginning. the point is not that "wearing a dress and having personality do not make him not a biological man". The point is that being a biological man does not induce that he have to limit his personality and behavior to the current transitory dominant localized idea of what a man behavior should be. his testimony is just stating who he defines he is and that he wants to be respected and accepted as such. Not put in others limited definitions. He is not asking other to be like him.
@justforfun6124 The fact that he is a man doesn't need to limit his behavior or personality. Who is telling a man he must act in a certain way to be a man? Not me. Not most people. That is my point. The concept of gender identity does imply that men need to behave in a certain way. The gender identity concept says that if men don't behave in a certain way, they must describe themselves with some gender word. This is terribly reductive. We need to move beyond this outdated way of thinking.
@justforfun6124 Actually, what you are saying is the exact opposite of the gender identity movement. We agree. No man is a man because he has a certain personality or behavior. The gender identity movement believes behavior or feelings determine whether someone is a man or a woman. We disagree.
@justforfun6124 He should be respected as a man with a personality. "Who he is" is a man, and he should be accepted as a man.
@@justforfun6124 in the beginning, middle, and end of his story as a man, he was, is, and will be a man with a complex personality.
Just when we thought we had a clear understanding of what defined a man and a woman now we’re been told that they’re not defined at birth but can be selected during our lifetime. Wow.
This is nothing new I’m sorry you never took the time out of your day to learn about other people’s culture maybe you should pick up a book and learn
Not selected, really. I didn’t choose to be non-binary; that is just a fact of my existence. There’s psychology to support this, too, if you’re curious
But also, there really was never any clear understanding of what a man or a woman was, because sex isn’t binary and neither is gender. There are lots of exceptions, and doctors just assign you a certain gender at birth to make it easier just based on which sex you are most similar to. (Though most people fit within the two major categories of female and male.) Hence the term “assigned gender.”
And then gender is a completely separate thing, being a social construct(in other words, a categorization of people based on certain qualities they have, and everyone categorizes it a little bit differently).
It’s a complicated subject.
A reductive, toxic ideology that must be stopped.
The Nadle of the Navajo was not a “third gender.” A real Nadle was intersex (very rare, and a genetic condition-not a socially-constructed identity). A “pretend” Nadle (yes, the Navajo called them that) was a man who rejected the male activities of hunting/war. Even the Navajo distinguished between real/pretend. “Transvestite” is closer to the real meaning. This “Gender fluid” label and “transgender” label is a Western-inspired anachronism being grafted into old tribal traditions (it’s the reverse of the title’s claim-it’s an LGBT whitewashing of history). The Nadle was treated as halfman-halfwoman (Cheyenne had a similar role for hemaneh). These were not “gender-fluid.”
They were respected-within boundaries. They had strict tribal roles as a fringe group of mascots, were treated as witch doctors, and had ceremonial roles as medicine men (or medics in war). They weren’t allowed to hunt/fight, even if they wanted to. This is due to the strict division between male/female roles AS THEY WERE TIED TO SEX. The Cheyenne hemaneh were medics/love potion makers/good luck charms in war. Generally, they were treated as repositories or masculine virility because they were abstinent. They didn’t intermarry, and so had no sexual role in society. Abstinence=virility=war prowess.
Just like Europe (which distinguished between masculine and effeminate men), thus the natives. No difference, except it’s chic to colonize tribals culture and pretend it’s all transgender TURTLES all the way down. So silly.
What’s the point of your last sentence? What does “turtles” mean? Is it supposed to be an insult? If so, who are you insulting and for what reason?
Why are pretending to be an expert on our culture how and why would you pretend to be?
@@Orion-lt3zz It’s funny you should say that. Because this video was just a regurgitation of modern, white, Western LGBTQ theory straight from a gender studies department at Berkeley-not Native American cultural history.
I gave you specific anthropological observations made by western scholars WHO LIVED FOR YEARS with actual natives who taught them their culture over a century ago.
This 2 Spirit nonsense was invented in the 90s. It’s basically NA Kwanzaa.
@@elliefuller3667 “Turtles” is an insult-to very foolish claims with shortsighted premises.
Claim: “The world is resting on the back of a turtle.”
Skeptic: “Is it now? Then what is the turtle standing on.”
Reply: “It’s turtles all the way down.”
@@blackgateboxingxuanmenquan6407 So you’re attempting to insult transgender people, for what exactly? What do you personally have to gain by insulting trans people? What are trans people doing that is so personally impactful that you feel the necessity to insult? One of my favorite quotes I’ve seen online applies to you very well:
“You don’t have to disrespect and insult others simply to hold your own ground. If you do that, it shows how shaky your own position is.”
Insults are arguably the highest form of insecurity, if you felt so self-assured and confident in your opinion/perspective, you would not have felt the need to insult anyone with your comment. Seems like you’re on shaky ground.
Not one of these examples directly addresses the distinction between sex and gender. It's borderline narcissistic/masturbatorial. This is what happens to humanity when we get so privileged and comfortable that we no longer have to worry about real external problems like food, shelter, and predators: all that energy gets rerouted and unfortunately for the majority of us it stokes the desire to willfully ignore/rewrite reality to conform to ones subjective whims instead of having to grow as a human and cast aside subjective feelings when faced with cold hard truths. The gender issue is just the most recent iteration of this phenomenon, we have been doing this same thing for several millennia
Be who you are guys gals and nonbinary pals ❤🏳🌈🏳️⚧️
Yeah just be it away from all the normal people 🤝
@@yol_n if hate is normal then we will gladly stay away from that filth.
@@TakenByFea bye!
@@yol_n bye 💜
@@yol_n “if you’re a girl, a boy, or nonbinary, you should get away from all the normal people!!” Man I guess us agender folks are the only normal ones lmao
Colonialism didnt kill gender fluidity. Science did. At this point, the word “gender” has absolutely no relevence or significance bc everyone is continuously making up their own definitions for the term. There are 2 sexes: male, female. Either gender is linked to sex, meaning there are 2 genders, or its just something ppl use to describe their personality & should be taken no more seriously than what someone’s favorite color or food is.
I’m a gay man and I stand for 🏳️🌈-rights any day. What s*he said about the two-spirit ceremonial role: Indigenous tribes do not agree on this term and definition and it was a collective neologism for a number of different social roles within the tribes known as the Ojibwe.
Also, the term Two Gender was coined at a 🏳️🌈-First Native Summit in 1990, it was created to fit an aspect of native American culture into the rainbow narrative. Stop misrepresenting culture and tradition to fit your narratives. This is incorrect.
@@amameamameamame I am Swiss, so what? It has nothing to do with my opinion on this or the truth.
Exactly. The vast majority of Native American tribes do not have the concept of a “two-spirit” in their culture, yet the gender activists will pick out a few tribes that did and claim that all Native Americans tribes did until the Europeans arrived. When we examine their folktales and read testimonies of people who interacted or lived among the Natives, we do not see much, if any, evidence of a ‘third gender’.
@@StockyDude Yes, this is just the whole Noble Savage beliefs all over again. They claim to be 'decolonising' indigenous gender but they are actually imposing their modern western ideology onto indigenous people.
@@StockyDude I don't remember any point in the video where it says 'all Native Americans'. This person talks about their own tribe. There are numerous tribes around the world (including mine) that, pre-colonisation' didn't have the gender restrictive ideals that are common today. I'm not going to say all former colonies had this, but there is mounting evidence of numerous tribes that do.
@@qtrustThere is not “mounting evidence”. The Apache have a single source mentioning “two-spirit” in a vague manner. Anthropologists admit that other tribes using the term don’t seem to be talking about gender at all. The problem is that now we have gender activists reinterpreting small amounts of evidence to suit their agenda. They’re weaponizing anthropology and history for their political goals.
Bird Person identifies as Bird Person
Absolutely 😂
True and based.
The woman shown did not become a man. She should find a new word. How about calalai?
I think it's funny how people outside of this culture are trying to argue against it 😆
What culture? So Native white British have their own culture and nobody should argue about their culture?
@@bryanbradley6871 nope, white people as a whole so not have a culture. british people do not have any cultural heritage or practices
@@magdalena_dewinter 😂 Bro British is a culture lol Russians are white and they have culture and hertiage as well, so do white Brits🤦🏼♂️. Asians and black people as a whole don't have a culture or hertiage. White people culture is mordren technology
@@magdalena_dewinter If Russians have Cultural heritage, so do the Brits. Bro you are speaking their language and are part of their culture
@@magdalena_dewinter British culture and hertiage is all over the world now lol 😂
I am not a female or male, I am your Spanish colonial frigate. Since I was born I have identified myself as an authentic 16th century Frigate with a very refined design thanks to my amaranth wood and I demand a lot of respect. If you want my friendship, do not send me flowers because I am not a woman and do not send me the Real Madrid Box Set because I am not a man ... I only accept Gold coins and Gold or Silver bars. Thanks.
This has always existed. Idk why people fight so hard against that.
Only two genders
Because progress against gender stereotypes is good. The notion that wearing a dress, cooking or dancing makes a male a woman or third gender needs to be scrapped. We need to move on....
ideology is scary, no matter how much education they had, or how many facts they saw, they still believe what they believe
Yes. Denying biological reality for a gender ideology is toxic.
Hey, I know that deadly Brotherboy! Kai is a beautiful soul and is from my Mob Wakka Wakka 🖤 so proud!
The concept of gender fluidity is ironically 'colonialist' as well (in the context of SEA). In Thailand and the Bugis, it is accept that the third and fourth genders are born the way they are and they cannot simply just change their gender orientation
"As a flying spaghetti monster who has completely lost touch with reality, disregard everything else I have to say because I'm obviously a lunatic." There, I fixed it for you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yup, if he was too scared to go hunting buffalo and swimming deep for fish he could have just told the chief instead of crossdressing and pretending to be a girl 🤣🤣
@@westernsellers9148 Love how transphobes instantly turn to racism when called out on their transphobia
Children should not be allowed on the Internet
@@d.r.u. I agree, that's the primary source of this Transgenderism epidemic!
Hahahahaha Putin and Xi are laughing thenselves silly. Goodbye, West!
what if there were no gender roles and rules?
Then men and women would be determined by biological sex and all this gender stuff would be scrapped.
Nonesense.
No child should be shamed for what kind of costume he feels like wearing while being in a play he and his friends are putting on at the time. No child should be shamed only because of what his or her body anomalies which were present at their birth. Like an anomalie present in the urinary tract system only. Or one undescended Tesits in their reproductive system. Gender roles are way different in Indigenous cultures. Not something to be used as an excuse by any elder in their conflict of interests who is disrespecting and exploiting a young person while hoping to make them into their slave or into their second class marriage partner. Differing sex drives in marriage between persons of 2 genders at conception in utero is no grounds for divorce after their marriage is consumated. No matter what their skin color and what their first language is. Each tribe had different trraditional gender roles. How did people from different tribes communicate at work in healthy ways while honoring differences in culture? Had nothing to do with what some infants look like at birth. Readiness for marriage in Indigenous culture language is often being misunderstood. 3 words or so from so many languages which are dying out are not to be miscontrued during any conflict of interest to further ostracise anyone or to put them into a permanent stereotypical box. Thanks to how Indigenous people were often being exploited while living near a colonial Fort our cultures have been corrupted. Including how more infants than before look like at borth near oil and other mineral exploration sites or on reserves set aside on land that should not be farmed because raw Uranium deposits are there. The number of words to describe snow were numerous in Indigenous culture too. One day while serving people a fellow from Saskatchewan told me what life was like while living on a reservation where Uranium deposits were ubiquitous. No he didn't seem that different than the norm.
from what they say, i take these cultures have an equally sexist understanding of role models as western society does.(i.e. jeronimo saying "i can also do feminine activities, such as cooking or cleaning.")
having more then three genders is not progressive or emancipatory, if you still deduce personal qualities or behavior from it.
I mean I get your point but o don’t personally think that it’s sexist to say cooking is feminine. It’s coded feminine and traditionally feminine but men clearly cook. Sure eventually ideally we would move beyond the division of labour as gendered altogether I’m our culture for sure, but I don’t see this as problem in this persons culture. It’s their culture not ours. If they don’t feel it’s sexist to code something feminine and they don’t suffer sexism. Then it’s ok for them. It’s not our place to judge too much unless they ask for help and it causes harm.
i would question if they didnt suffer sexism. in most northern american native cultures women are excluded from councils for example..@@innervoicejargon
Why are so many touting this voodoo idiocy so objectively hideous to look at?
Enough already of straightjacket gender roles! It's so tiring right now! They are different variations of masculine and feminine! Let gender evolve and set gender free of stereotypes!
Brother boy is such a nice term for what westerners would think of as transmasculine. I like the implication of not just gender but relation to others by the term brother.
What does Islam say about multiple genders or transsexualism?
From what I watch in these videos, people who claim to change their gender mostly reflect it by dressing up like how the other sex usually dresses. Sometimes they dress up a bit like this and that.
In Islam, adultery/fornication and anal sex are considered immoral and thus prohibited. In order to prevent the triggers for these immotalities, male and female spaces are segregated and inter-mixing of sexes is limited to necessity. In order to limit the inter-mixing, sex is reflected through dress codes so that the opposite sex is identified with minimal looking.
People taking up the opposite dress code (bcoz they like it) end up confusing others, and this may lead to immorality. Thus switching "genders" is prohibited too.
Apart from dress codes, if a man's gestures look like that of a woman, he's considered effeminate but is tolerated if he is unable to imitate men. Women having male's gestures are kinda ok.
@@isaibnatman2155 huh?
@@isaibnatman2155 based
There are feminine man or masculine woman who can't change their condition, they are exception, but if they have functioning equipment, so their tolerable limit is only on being feminine or masculine, but they have to do the sexual activity to your opposite sex and no homosexuality.
Alternative title: How being exposed to the real world collapsed my culture’s delusions.
Alternative title: How white supremacy has limited and still limits and oppresses people all over the world to this very day
They were not "exposed to the real world" they were forced to live like the white man/Europeans
Assuming white colonisation is the "real world." Shows how you do not live in the real world.
I really would like to know does gender stereotypes (typical gender role in community) comes after fixing typical gender roles (like typical stereotypes male should be guy whose made money and female takes care for children) from cultures set life roles or visa versa?🤔🤔🤔
Sorry about my English 😞 would really appreciate if anybody correct it..
Also grpuping it w8thing the sex that sexualy arouses you is bang out of order i kbow its complicated the word sex keaning 2 different things but stay away from the kids cuz the revoupt is real
Fulfilling two gender roles means twice the work. Like you’re actually expected to do double the work. Navajo trans people live hard lives because you’re laboring to fill those roles. Visit the reservation and you’ll see they are toiling for their families. Navajos would reject the notion that there are two spirits it’s a concept that is incongruent with our concept of personhood. As a Navajo I’d say biligaanas would never fully understand our thinking around gender and personhood. As most Navajos would say “theres no translation in English”.
I agree that gender and sexuality are now becoming a trendy topic in society. The awareness is growing for sexuality laws and rights. In the video, I am glad that it includes the history of the two great cultures that have dealt with hardships of Gender and sexuality. Anthropologists research the community that has lost its history about gender fluidity. The world is evolving and changing, but that doesn't mean the culture has to change with it. Geronimo's story is an excellent example of what some of the Native communities go through. Americans try to teach a lie about native's history. Until I watch this video, I do not know about the Gender and sexuality roles of the natives. Androgyny was common in these communities, but now that colonialism changed and "gotten rid of" the culture's gender and sexuality identity roles.
For centuries, sex was synonymous with gender identity. Only recently have we seen academics pushing the idea that gender identity is fluid, and insisting that everyone adopt their new definitions and ideas. They’re also reinterpreting history to say that most non-Western cultures, because they were tolerant of homosexuality and cross dressing, believed in more than 1 gender. That is false. They had terms to refer to people who did not live by the traditionally assigned gender roles; that does not mean they saw those people as totally different genders. In the Philippines, for example, all folktales and pre-colonial religions use binary genders. Do not confuse tolerance and acceptance of people who live differently with a belief in a different gender. If that’s the case, we would be able to invent gender categories based on preferred hobbies.
Shamans are needed to remove the bad spirit confusing these people.,
Telling that no elders were interviewed.........
right?
That's happening in UK/Europe right now... Are you going allow that to happen in UK/Europe?
NO !!!!!
Don’t include the Philippines in this nonsense. Many in Mindanao and Visayas were Muslims. That means their societies were gender binary. For Filipino natives that were not Muslims, their folk tales speak of princes, princesses, warriors, etc. There is no evidence that they did not follow a gender binary culture. The Igorots, Negritos, Zambales, and Ifugao all followed gender binary. There is very little evidence to support a claim that any Filipino tribe accepted the idea of gender fluidity. Throughout most of the Philippines, terms such as ‘datu’ and ‘raja’ were in common use. These terms came from Indonesia and Malaysia, countries where the cultures were gender binary, where men and women had very distinct expectations.
yeah it's ridiculous westerners are imposing their modern gender views onto other cultures and claiming it's their tradition. that's colonisation.
The Navajo also believe in sasquatch....
You probably believe in NFT's 🙃
I dont think so cook and clean is a femal job as he said
@Matthew Morrey good point
Right, it sounds sexist
Use me as the dislike button
This documentary/video says it all transgenerlism has always existed from Ancient cultures! Also it’s had always been in existence! It’s when Europeans/white peoples invaded n colonised these places/islands/continents it’s when they judge/oppose to the idea that there are other genders! N that’s y we are having all these tensions toward the LGPQT community! Leave us alone we were here and will always be here! So let’s all be greatful for the beautiful individuals we are and embrace it with love n light🥰😍
Yes, homosexuality and people who don't conform to gender stereotypes have always existed. I'm sure gender dysphoria has existed for a very long time. Though many traditional non-western cultures include acceptance of homosexuality, lots of traditional cultures have elements of homophobia in them. They all have enforced gender roles. Some allow for a specific sex, usually the male one, to have 2 gender role options. But that's very different from this new western concept of "gender fulidity" and choosing your own identity, which is actually what is colonising other cultures currently, trying to replace their traditional gender roles with queer theory.
The people who dislike this videos have some spiritual evolving to do !! They're still stuck in the victoria age !!
I think for me I will stick with "white mans" culture. It seems to make the most sense and has contributed the most to making my life happy. Other cultures should do them tho in their own countries and we should not expect them to have to change. If other countries want to have lots of genders great, as long as my culture( man+ women=family) and my beliefs are respected and followed in my country.
So you're saying that because im in your society, i should have to live the same cookie-cutter life as you? Why should i have to abide by YOUR beliefs? What makes you the morally superior person here?
@@fish_toes I did not personally create European Christian culture. Its a long standing creation of a specific people with similar beliefs, language, tradition and ancestry. My people fought died and sacrificed to build nations based on their beliefs and culture. As I have no desire to change other peoples culture I would appreciate it if people would not try to change mine.
@@fish_toes Well if you’re in the white man’s culture then YES you should follow the cultural norms. If you don’t like it then move somewhere else.
Great! Think what you must think about yourself, but do not impose on my rights, comfort, and safety when we must be segregated by biological sex in bathrooms.
Are you aware how low the percentage of rapes/sexual assaults in bathrooms is?
@@elliefuller3667 The fact that it's not zero is the reason split bath rooms are a thing and should remain a thing.
Hellooo where are the contact info of this amazing human?? Insta etc? U can not just use the information of indigenous people without any credits.. ..
Period
First person can be found via: @geronimo.louie on both insta and tiktok!
You can do just that if “contracts, privacy disclaimers” etc
Do you call white native Brits/Europeans "Indigenous"?
What utter bullshite propaganda
Mentally I'll kid
The BBC’s Gender and Identity correspondent. FFS pensioners are going to be bullied into paying for this crap.
What a joke. Your either a guy or a girl. What the heck is wrong with people
Based upon what?
@@arthurmorgan1550 science and logic
@@markbrook7468 Too bad science tells us gender isn’t the same as sex and that sex itself isn’t even a binary.
There’s cis men who later discovered that based upon their chromosomes, they’re biological women. If this happened to you, would you change your gender identity bebaue of your chromosomes?
@@arthurmorgan1550 no because I would still be genetically a man I would still produce sperm
@@markbrook7468 You’d have male genitalia but not male chromosomes. Some people lack male genitalia but have male chromosomes. Also what about infertile men?
"This is what my stone age culture did before it was steam rolled by natural selection."
That's what's up, bro!
Grear to know that something wonderful came out of colonialism!! what a load of BS!!!
editing at 5:05 makes me giggle, cmon yall
Hail to the countless genders! From a transgender Draoí!
@does jesus love hitler ? ok "playboi carti homicide ( visual edit )"
what's a Draoi?
There are only two genders. Not sorry to burst your bubble
Does two-spirit have anything to do with intersex or just lesbian/gay/bisexual?
I think (from what I’ve seen) it’s an umbrella term for all of those including trans people (basically anyone with both male and female spirits - can be in gender and sexuality - correct me if wrong)
rainbow propaganda again
that community is really want childborn want to be part of them
The sacred gender 😂
Based Europeans
Can you believe we pay for this with our taxes?
I like the BBC but this is honestly such bull shit
@@raphytimmshardy9292 So historical facts are "bullshit". Your teachers have failed you.
@@raphytimmshardy9292 these are actual facts tho...
This is all nonsense
Oh stop.
No❤
Babaylan, balian, katalonan, fa afafine, mahu ... add more to my lists.
In Makassar is bissu
Gender and sex are synonym terms meaning the same thing since the beginning of the terms existence. It’s only in recent years that people are trying to divorce the two terms in an attempt to force peoples perception to misalign with reality.
What you are born as is reality
If your perception doesn’t align with reality then you suffer from gender dysphoria.
Reality doesn’t change, perception does.
If someone refuses to misalign their perception with reality then they are considered transphobic for refusing to believe or accept something that isn’t true. It’s like using reverse psychology on people who want to know and proclaim truth by saying they are hating when it’s the trans community that hate people so much for only wanting to live by truth and reality.
It’s disgusting to hate people for not accepting a false reality just because you embrace it.
"Gender and sex are synonym terms meaning the same thing since the beginning of the terms existence."
Wrong. This is not historical at all. Boys have not always been called boys. Until the late 15th century the word ‘girl’ simply means a child of either "sex". Boys, where they had to be differentiated, were referred to as ‘knave girls’ and girls in the "female" sense were called ‘gay girls’. Equally, a boy could be a ‘knave child’ and a girl a ‘maiden child’.
A shit-ton of medical and psychological institutions validate trans identities.
Facts are facts, regardless of whether it disagrees with your personal beliefs and feelings.
Yk people are killed for simply being trans...
@@sibilseason people are killed for anything. Literally,
@@frodo8592 what the fck does this even mean?
Human concepts are... human concepts.
Start from here.
All concepts and paradigms are historical products. Sex an gender have a long, rich and complex history - believe it or not, they already have changed and evolved a lot, and will change again. That's the way human history goes.
For the rest... if you try to justify why you despise or pathologise trans people by some very basic misconceptions about the human intellectual production, well, ... it just won't work.
Maybe you'd better avoid accusing inconsiderately people you may not understand of "acceptind a false reality" .
100% invented narrative
Lol ikr its such bs
How do you know?
Imagine telling a person you know more about their culture when you aren’t even a part of it
@@judoh1678 true.
I love how they justify themselves by the "pre-colonial" societies, then imidiately decry those current societies because they now reject them.
thank you all for this stories ❤️
It's MA'AM!!!
This is y straight ppl aren’t funny😬
@@Sagebigmountain Did you just assume my sexual orientation???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@allmerrypeople7644 I can tell😬 it’s the insecurity oozing thru the screen
@Memzys we don’t put other ppl at the butt of the joke..... y’all just aren’t unique
you're fourteen arent you?
What about the indigenous cultures that committed human sacrifice tho
what does that have to do with the anything? Christianity mentions human sacrifice too doesn't mean it's still practiced🙄
@@42069wastaken what does Christianity have to do with this?
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul what does your comment have to do with this?
@@42069wastaken because no one practices Christianity in this post
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul my point is that even the most popular religion also has ties sacrifice just like some of these cultures might but that does not mean these cultures or religions actually still actively practice the act of human sacrifice 😑
He’s using this to completely mislead
the reasoning for their gender identity is not just based on who they want to date 🙄
@@42069wastaken ?
It’s good to see that the newest comments of this video show sanity and rationality
This generation’s bullsh!t will be the end of humanity
Pretty sure climate change will do that not gender acceptance.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wow, I seriously did not know that
Bozho! Kijinja akwe ndezhnëkas. Bodwéwadmi ndaw. M'netokwe ndaw. 🏳️⚧️
It's Freedom Gender in other country. In China, it's difficult.
I'm from the lakota nation, we are also fluid aswell.
as in the gender is a feeling. so, like if you were a horse, sometimes you would feel like a mare, other times a stallion?
The question is what role did this type of inner cultural confusion play in the colonial doorway
LMFAO. You guys are literally insane.
The BBC shows the depths of Academic Insanity ,--- we have the Mentally Insane Academics running the Universities and Media .
free your mind and the rest will follow 🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶
not just insane, also attention needy ;)
Said the cave dweller to the shadow
@@d.r.u. I agree, that's the primary source of this Transgenderism epidemic!
Yeah. It seems like homophobia impacted native lands really when religious intolerant people came to other lands and started oppressing natives and spreading hateful ideologies. They justified it by sighting their religious books.
Colonials we’re so terrible! We enjoyed disease, drought, cannibalism, slavery, and human sacrifice until they came along and ruined everything. Everyone could deny reality back then, too, and if you wanted to say you were a flying unicorn with two heads, everyone believed you and treated you with the respect owed to a two headed unicorn. 😂🤷🏿
It's stupid how people think their primitive stone age culture and superstitions matter more than science.
It's almost like science proved that transgender people exist. I can link article if you'd like to educate yourself! 😁
Gross
By the way try to teach that in any Muslim country, I mean the UK has become a joke with these sort of cult education.
this can't even be called an argument. What do Muslim countries have to do with this video? Talk about distracting from the actual points made by this video.
And how is this "cult education"? Is historical facts "culty" now?
@@richjuin9504 Dude.. Children don't need to learn about a grown mans sexual identity... What does this have to do with education?
@@richjuin9504 Alot 😂 would you disrespect Saudi Arabia history with this? Whats wrong with me Current history? Also Alot of Islamic history and Arabian history is similar to Western Christian history. Alot of historical figures are the same race (white)
We all know BBC doesn't want to be labeled racist for taking about white man Muhammed and his followers. The BBC calls people racist for drawing a picture of a racist white man who owned slaves and traded slaves... Leftist logic
Yet this never happened until the white man.🤦
yet this never happened until the black man.
What are you talking about? Homosexuality was punished by capital punishment in every white man society up until recently...
*I noticed it got popular when Obama came around*
White men like Saudis or Persians or what?
Obama..
This never happened before Obama dude... It was illegal before him
Sanity also seems to be very fluid.
last i checked if your mind isn't fluid and workable (figurative sense, obviously) you're unable to learn
@@wheeI Nice straw man.
Love yourself for who and what you are not what you feel.
Well, you are expressing your thoughts rooted in your feelings.
Or don’t tell others to do.... it’s weird n just wrong... imma b whatever tf I want
LOVE IS FEELING
@@Sagebigmountain You can make up whatever bs you want, just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
Exactly! Be who you are! I am who I am. I AM nonbinary, and I do love myself. ❤ Even when I feel sad!
Ummm Science disagrees with these claims. Are we really saying it is an actual fact in reality for someone to have "two spirits"? Stop it. Do whatever you want but do not attempt to justify it with science.
you may wanna do more research on that buddy
how about this as a starter
sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/
An ingénue is right, there are actually numerous papers on genders and sexes. Science, as you put it (biology field with intersex individuals or human sciences, particularly anthropology), has already proven the existence of more than two genders/sexes, society is just a little slow to catch up, but hey, in its own time.
Also, "Two-spirit" is actually a poor translation of numerous words to describe Native Americans' experience of gender, as suggested at 4:39, it's not meant to be taken literally, don't worry. ^^
A spirit isn’t an actual physical thing.... u do know that right? And when do scientists believe in souls? It’s not something they can poke and prod so y would they care
@Memzys y u so obsessed with me?
@Memzys bores and ignorant 😂
God No 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I hope this dosent make me look like a bigot but 0:49 whats a captus?
It’s a cactus that identifies at sea captain from the 1800s.
Cactus
@@haiden5272 Dafuq dose that mean though?
@J B Apples 😆😆😆
@@traskmiguel866 It's a desert plant.