Aussie and a Melbournian here, that train station still looks the same as it did then, it’s called Flinders St station and the Sports field is called the MCG and held the Olympics 13 years later in 56’
Sledge's landing on Peleliu in Episode 5 was an epiphany to me. I don't know why it clicked more than Saving Private Ryan or any other war movie I had seen. From that moment on my understanding of war has been different. Thank you to the producers, directors, and actors, but most importantly I thank the men that lived this and the men like Eugene Sledge that could tell the story.
to add into what you guys said with Sledge and the abyss, I believe it is the next episode where Sledge is on the beach asking Sid what it's like. the poignant idea of Sid mentioning sleeping with a woman beng on one end of the beach and the experience of war being on the other side as far as you could imagine. The dissonance between the two that nether will understand until later when they are both now combat vets is a great way to show the vet POV v the green recruit POV along with how their childhood romanticism of war have been altered.
It bothered me when vets kept telling Sledge "youll be alright" Because it showed how toxic masculinity would interfere with somebody's efforts to save a life with the truth
Whenever I watch this series, I'm often very envious of these war veteran and their relatives who were able to share their experiences with their fathers and grandfathers and their time in the war. My granddad was a naval soldier during WW2. He was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked. He was fortunate to have been in town when the attack occurred. He was a bombardier on a smaller plane. He was shot down twice and survived both. One of those times though he spent like 2 weeks in the ocean on a raft with his dead pilot with him, before he was finally rescued. My granddad refused to dump him overboard. He wanted them both to get home. This is about the extent of my knowledge of his time in the war, because he refused to discuss it with his family. He said the experiences were just to harsh to rehash. He passed away back in the late 80's. So much of his knowledge was lost with him. I was only like 13 or 14 at the time. But I can't tell you how much I regret that we weren't able to get him to open up. Because he had some amazing stories to share, I have no doubt. But I also understand and I'm glad my dad or others didn't try and force him to talk about it either.
I appreciate this channel so much. Jared, you do an amazing job. Henry offers such great context and is such a terrific representative for his father. I’m sure his father is looking down with great pride. Thank you, fine gentlemen.
I recently read "With the Old Breed" and "Islands of the Damned" Sledge's observations as well as Burgin's observations of Sledge are extremely insightful. The afternoon before the Dog Handler was beaten to death, Burgin had to yell at Sledge to stop looking at birds. Meanwhile Sledge is writing about the terrain and yes birds. Knowing, later, that Sledge becomes a biologist, I often wonder if his focus on the flora and fauna of the islands was a coping mechanism as much as it was a natural curiosity. It seems really nice that he was able to fully embrace biology after the war. The final scene of The Pacific, where Sledge walks through a field and looks at bees and flowers shows that Sledge's love for the natural world was everpresent. It's so beautiful.
Once again, an amazing duo in commentary, context and sharing history. I am really enjoying this collaboration! 🇨🇦history Prof, always learning from you!
@@snapmalloy5556 I think they served a great juxtaposition for the episodes after. Remember that these soldiers were fighting to get home to their women.
BoB is a better depiction of a unit. And more accurate. The Pacific is incredibly good at showing the individual perspective. Of Leckie, Baseline and Sledge Especially sledge...
@boss-anova Stella was a completely fictional character. All that never happened. He stayed at a home.of someone he called Sheila but there was no romantic relationship.
Military markings were still present in the MCG when I was a teenager in the 80s. There is a display covering the war years in the new stand that replaced it.
21:44 I think one of the points of that scene was actually to set up the character who took that shot for the next episode because he's a very big part of it.
Another great episode, thank you gentlemen. Syd and his sister were so interesting to watch and listen to in the Ken Burn’s documentary. Her accent was wild.
The boy riding the bike at the beginning cannot be overlooked. Romanticizing body counts or the like should not overlook the horror these guys went through
Seeing that next video is going to be about the time Leaky spend in the mental health hospital, do you think that war-related PTSD has a "modern" origin or that has been with humankind all along but unrecognized or avoided? I'm curious because the way we see conflict, violence and war is constantly changing across time and even different human cultures/societies have different views on those topics
NO ONE IN AUSTRALIA calls Guadalcanal the battle that saved Australia. I would know, I live here. That honour belongs to the Kokoda Track or Milne Bay.
14:00 All of my grandparents were displaced muslims (turks, circassians, albanians) forced to leave their homes by Serbia, Greece and Russia but somehow only christians' suffering are shown in the holywood.
Stella's mum was referring to the Greco Turkish war that led to the displacement of populations. That was an after effect of the first world war. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919%E2%80%931922)
Can’t agree more about the music of The Pacific. It’s just beautiful.
Aussie and a Melbournian here, that train station still looks the same as it did then, it’s called Flinders St station and the Sports field is called the MCG and held the Olympics 13 years later in 56’
Sledge's landing on Peleliu in Episode 5 was an epiphany to me. I don't know why it clicked more than Saving Private Ryan or any other war movie I had seen. From that moment on my understanding of war has been different. Thank you to the producers, directors, and actors, but most importantly I thank the men that lived this and the men like Eugene Sledge that could tell the story.
*big doors open* (with close up of Sledges face)
Lt. Hilly Billy: “HERE WE GO BOYS!”
The Peleliu and Okinawa episodes are gonna be awesome. With the old
Breed is one of my absolute favorite books.
to add into what you guys said with Sledge and the abyss, I believe it is the next episode where Sledge is on the beach asking Sid what it's like. the poignant idea of Sid mentioning sleeping with a woman beng on one end of the beach and the experience of war being on the other side as far as you could imagine. The dissonance between the two that nether will understand until later when they are both now combat vets is a great way to show the vet POV v the green recruit POV along with how their childhood romanticism of war have been altered.
It bothered me when vets kept telling Sledge "youll be alright" Because it showed how toxic masculinity would interfere with somebody's efforts to save a life with the truth
I love this series so much. Henrys presence and insights makes it feel so much closer.
Really loving this series of commentaries. Well done, gents. Thank you.
Whenever I watch this series, I'm often very envious of these war veteran and their relatives who were able to share their experiences with their fathers and grandfathers and their time in the war. My granddad was a naval soldier during WW2. He was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked. He was fortunate to have been in town when the attack occurred. He was a bombardier on a smaller plane. He was shot down twice and survived both. One of those times though he spent like 2 weeks in the ocean on a raft with his dead pilot with him, before he was finally rescued. My granddad refused to dump him overboard. He wanted them both to get home. This is about the extent of my knowledge of his time in the war, because he refused to discuss it with his family. He said the experiences were just to harsh to rehash. He passed away back in the late 80's. So much of his knowledge was lost with him. I was only like 13 or 14 at the time. But I can't tell you how much I regret that we weren't able to get him to open up. Because he had some amazing stories to share, I have no doubt. But I also understand and I'm glad my dad or others didn't try and force him to talk about it either.
I appreciate this channel so much. Jared, you do an amazing job.
Henry offers such great context and is such a terrific representative for his father. I’m sure his father is looking down with great pride.
Thank you, fine gentlemen.
Thanks for the kind words
Thank you Jared this is amazing, fantastic episode with a lot of great insights!
Thanks for watching!
This series is so interesting to watch! Both perspectives are absolutely stunning!
I recently read "With the Old Breed" and "Islands of the Damned"
Sledge's observations as well as Burgin's observations of Sledge are extremely insightful.
The afternoon before the Dog Handler was beaten to death, Burgin had to yell at Sledge to stop looking at birds. Meanwhile Sledge is writing about the terrain and yes birds.
Knowing, later, that Sledge becomes a biologist, I often wonder if his focus on the flora and fauna of the islands was a coping mechanism as much as it was a natural curiosity. It seems really nice that he was able to fully embrace biology after the war.
The final scene of The Pacific, where Sledge walks through a field and looks at bees and flowers shows that Sledge's love for the natural world was everpresent. It's so beautiful.
I love that, man.
Once again, an amazing duo in commentary, context and sharing history.
I am really enjoying this collaboration!
🇨🇦history Prof, always learning from you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you Jared
Thank you gentlemen.
I rate the pacific over band of brothers, feels like a more raw depiction of war
The love stories were ridiculous and boring.
@@snapmalloy5556 I think they served a great juxtaposition for the episodes after. Remember that these soldiers were fighting to get home to their women.
BoB is a better depiction of a unit. And more accurate.
The Pacific is incredibly good at showing the individual perspective. Of Leckie, Baseline and Sledge
Especially sledge...
@boss-anova Stella was a completely fictional character. All that never happened.
He stayed at a home.of someone he called Sheila but there was no romantic relationship.
Same
Military markings were still present in the MCG when I was a teenager in the 80s.
There is a display covering the war years in the new stand that replaced it.
Thank you!
Good job, team!
21:44 I think one of the points of that scene was actually to set up the character who took that shot for the next episode because he's a very big part of it.
Another great episode, thank you gentlemen. Syd and his sister were so interesting to watch and listen to in the Ken Burn’s documentary. Her accent was wild.
"Cobber" A Cobber is not just your mate, he's a best mate. Generally abbreviate to 'On Ya' Cob...'
The boy riding the bike at the beginning cannot be overlooked. Romanticizing body counts or the like should not overlook the horror these guys went through
Nice!
34:10 OMG yes, I always preferred the Pacific's soundtrack compared to Band of Brothers', mostly in part because of Hans Zimmer 😌
your discussion of okinowa reminds me of one of my FAVORITE films.. "TEA HOUSE OF THE AUGUST MOON" staring Marlon Brando Eddie Albert John Glenn
Fantastic episode once again. Having Henry along side adds so much more. Great insights and trivia. Thank you guys!
Seeing that next video is going to be about the time Leaky spend in the mental health hospital, do you think that war-related PTSD has a "modern" origin or that has been with humankind all along but unrecognized or avoided? I'm curious because the way we see conflict, violence and war is constantly changing across time and even different human cultures/societies have different views on those topics
NO ONE IN AUSTRALIA calls Guadalcanal the battle that saved Australia.
I would know, I live here.
That honour belongs to the Kokoda Track or Milne Bay.
Jared plays guitar or is that Henry’s house?
14:00 All of my grandparents were displaced muslims (turks, circassians, albanians) forced to leave their homes by Serbia, Greece and Russia but somehow only christians' suffering are shown in the holywood.
love the condom balloon at 33:57
34:58 some times i need to watch a little more before i comment
Didn't sid phillips daughter marry an Australian who's the son of the real wartime girlfriend?
First!
Second
Stella's mum was referring to the Greco Turkish war that led to the displacement of populations. That was an after effect of the first world war. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919%E2%80%931922)