TheAlternative.ch - LinuxDays FS16 - Linux for Experts course
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- In this course, Aline Abler gives an introduction to Tiling Window Managers. Slides are available here: thealternative....
Tiling Window Managers allow you to control your graphical interface using your keyboard in a more intuitive way. They are highly configurable, and there are many different implementations out there. We will show you a selection of them, to help you find the Window Manager that best fits your needs.
Once you learn how to use them, Tiling Window Managers can have a great impact on your productivity. Have a look at them, and find a complete new way of controlling your device!
Covered Tiling Window Managers: bspwm, dwm, Xmonad, i3, awesome, herbstluftwm
This course is part of the LinuxDays of the student association TheAlternative.ch, the digital arm of [project21]. In the digital age, we want to draw attention to a sustainable interaction with knowledge and culture. We want to encourage usage and comprehension of Free and Open Source Software (also known as FOSS) as an alternative to proprietary software, as well as promote similar open alternatives in other areas.
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All students of Zürich may attend our events for free. In consideration of international participants, all courses are held in English.
WM Demos:
- bspwm: 29:10
- dwm: 52:20
- Xmonad: 1:10:01
- i3: 1:20:22
- awesome: 1:38:04
- herbstluft: 1:45:31
Thank you, fine Sir.
@@qaulwart FOREALZ!
thx :)
Thank you
Thanks
i sent this video to my friend who is using windows 10, now he uses Gentoo Linux with dwm
Over a year later, and this is still one of the most informative introductions to tiling window managers I've ever come across! Props to Aline for the presentation -- even though I've already used AwesomeWM as my preferred WM for a year, I've learnt many new things about TWMs from this, really appreciate it. :)
Its still true in 2022
@@Fuad_ it always will be true, wait... wayland is here
I used to think that tiling window mangers like i3wm were such a pain in the neck but now that I'm using i3wm, I think it's the best gift in my life.
Iya Bro, I3WM juga favouriteku juga. Tapi semenjak pakai Debian, jadi lebih sering pakai Gnome dan XFCE
I've thought about using a tiling manager for years, but had always been put off by how dry and uninspiring I've found explanations of them. What a difference a good teacher can make! Great presentation 👍
Best explanation about this topic! Even today.
Thank you Aline.
Great course! And great to hear that all linux geeks are not necessarily men :-) Two thumbs up!!
Best presentation ever on window tiling managers! I moved to BSPWM and I feel that my productivity improved a lot. Window managers are super useful, especially when you use a widescreen monitor.
She sounds smarter then me, im in love. Ok im an old perv, so as we finally establish that let me say that is a greatest introduction to tilling managers i see so far. Right to the point and straightforward
her small laugh made my day
No time to watch it all now - past 3 am and I should work tomorrow - but watched first hour and saving it to watch later. I'm just playing around with i3 (trying Arch with it on an old Thinkpad x230) and while I couldn't initially understand why would anyone want a tiling WM it kind of starts to make sense. I don't know if I will really switch main computers as well but it's intrigueing on laptop especially when you don't have a mouse anyway and trackpads suck.
Explanations and demo are pretty cool, well done!
Funnily this popped up again in my recommendations. I occasionally still use Windows (to play a game) but I am using Manjaro on my desktop, Arch on a notebook, Endeavour on another, and I use i3 or i3-gaps on all of them. It just kind of makes more sense than moving windows and resizing them all day long. Especially on a desktop, with 2 monitors and virtual desktops it's just the best.
Thanks Aline, great presentation, i learned about some philosophical approaches on TWMs that I didn´t knew. I also found HerbsluftWM very interesting.
As a user who discovered about TWMs with practice, this course helped me a lot to understand other managers.
Thanks, the most complete video that I found on tiling WM !
Wow! That's all the explanation I've been searching. Congratulations for you great, complete, big, long lecture. Thank you @Aline.
Guess I'm first to see this, I'm a BSPWM user, but have also used AwesomeWM for a while. I really like bspwms flexibility, but as you kind of explained, out of the box it might feel useless depending on what kind of linux user you are. In fact it is not useless at all. If you like to have a minimal desktop you can just start using it, but then you wont have a panel so you get no visual feedback. That's why I started with AwesomeWM, it is also super flexible and offers a lot of stuff out of the box, but I dont like lua config at all, and I really dig the preselection feature of BSPWM which allows me to forget about layout types alltogether. Maybe a disadvantage to this is that you need to remember a lot of hotkey-combinations. If you ask me what the hotkeys are.. I have no idea, it's all muslce memory!
Nice explanation on why one would pseudo-tiling-mode... 1:51:06 Java....
Amazing video. Watched it till the end. I just got started with i3 and this was a great introduction and comparison with all other major ones. Another window manager I've seen that looks interesting is Qtile, a wm written in and configured in python.
Felt like I was back at school. I have hard time managing 1 twm, nevermind 6 of the fkers. Tutor was very knowledgeable, and likes 'Tuna' it seems. If this doesn't explain TWM's enough to get you hooked, nothing will, ever.
Thunar, a file manager named after Thuner, the Frisian god of thunder. She's pronouncing it correctly.
This one is going to be saved in my favorite list. Awesome presentation. Bless your heart.
unfortunatly the link in the description isn't working anymore. But I found the script here
files.project21.ch/LinuxDays-Public/16FS-Expert.pdf
This video got blessed by St. Luke, the patron of twms.
When?
@RHCE Envisage Server 3.3 Even though I don't agree with his politics or his views. His effect on the Linux community has been quite positive. And his videos are quite helpful
Awesome presentation.
This was very interesting and so well explained! Thank you so much!
I can recommend polybar as a replacement for lemonbar. The configuration is much easier.
I3 is my choice, hands down. It makes the most sense, although I do love the tags feature of the other window managers. What we need is a really elegant merge of the tiling and floating window managers. Tile where it makes sense. Float where it makes sense. Keep the desktop organized and efficient for the user.
To reduce the number of keyboard shortcuts one has to remember, integrate gestures from special devices that have sensors that we could attach to our hands. Don't forget voice control, too, although I can live withoutit. My hope is that the i3 team adds the most valuable features of the other window managers, but keep its pure tree layout.
1:50:47 - My favorite part: "...and everything is f-ckt up."
Fantastic comprehensive presentation!
hahahaha
also I think I love Aline Abler
Yea, its just something about a tech girl that gets the heart skipping ☺
A really thorough and nice Tiling WM presentation mhm!
(Tho cus im such a scatterybrain imma not leave my one-program-per-fullscreen-desktops openbox setup yet)
It was an interesting presentation and very detailed :)
Who does not know git? **Disappointment in her face**
She doesn't know dieting or fasting.
@@samsun01 bro tf is that supposed to mean
@@retrace if she's like this at her prime, i can't imagine how she'd look in 10 years. she needs to step up her game.
@@samsun01 ayo incel vibes
@@retrace troll virgin.
3:42 "this is garbage" lol
This is really nice. I have used notion for a while. It has the concept of static tiles which may not have a window. It also has tabbed windows. Where multiple windows in a tile are tabbed.
One problem I have with tree layout is the user needs to be aware of the tree and decompile it based on the current view. This can be difficult to do.
I would like to know how does her make that little window showing a fake monitor, also they way of launching the others wms inside of i3 :)
XMonad "configuration" is not configuration, is the actual code for your TWM, the code imports the libraries for the TWM and then creates it and configures it.
Nice presentation!
>tfw no qt twm-loving swiss gf
... wanted to post this exact comment.
>tfw no foss-loving gf
Now that's a mood
1:55:49 Ask qt twm-loving swiss which twm allows you to use mouse to rearrange windows. Easy date.
Smart girls are so charming!!
This is the only kind of feminism I recognice. Brain > complains.
Great talk, I learned a lot!
1:06:00 Plan 9 does that, not because muh fancy feature, but because that's just the natural way to do graphics in Plan 9. Why write boilerplate to create a window when a window already exists? A window manager in Plan 9 is basically a tmux for graphical displays.
You could also say a program inherits the window from the parent (the shell) through fork the same way it gets its std* file descriptors.
Plan 9 is underrated. And that's a shame, considering it was basically a revamp of Bell UNIX to make it simpler, more portable (even the compilers and the C language changes a bit), and with both network and graphics in mind (after the experience with Blit terminals).
What window manager do you use? And prefrrably a why aswell.. A very informative presentation
I use BSPWM on my Linux Install and Yabai on my MacOS Install, can anyone recommend a TWM for Windows?
www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/2rn775/best_tiled_window_manager_for_windows/
hi r/linux :)
(Watching this in xmonad with a shit eating grin)
partially covered windows can be useful for copying information from them when other information is also needed, and means websites or UIs with static margins will not squish the content you care about into a tiny column. however, any Stacking WM without robust tiling features is useless, because yo spend too much time trying to scale windows. so while Tiling WMs are inspiration for many extensions i use, i still prefer being able to hide some windows behind others and then use either a keyboard shortcut or in Windows with a Taskbar Tweaker app, use a scroll up on the windows i want to pull them to foreground efficiently, without fumbling around with stacked icons and sequential lists.
I have 25 windows opened in my stacking desktop right now, this is why I don't use twms because with this many windows I would need multiple desktops for this much windows. and the standard wm algorithms work great on a small screen, a laptop screen, but in a big screen they don't. I guess I will have to code my own with DWM/XMonad
Holy sh*t, I now understood i3wm tree structure.
thx
How did you managed to run and change between different twm?
How you do that? run multi wms
She used Xephyr
She used telegram back in 2016, respect
Many of us switched back in 2013 when Telegram had just come out... the nerd rage against WhatsApp has a long history
And my favourite WM is I3WM, until today..😊
What is it now?
@@ggsap still I3WM
Shiet, she is awesome!
Somewhere in the video said she makes i3 behave like xmonad. I believe she meant like switching to a workspace on the 2nd monitor swaps it to the first? Is it easy to do that? Because I want that, but I feel drawn to i3wm
It wasn't exactly easy to do from scratch, but she'd publish the script she's created if you want to. However, it's not as smooth as with xmonad, sometimes it misbehaves a little. Let us know if you would like to have the script.
Yes! I'd appreciate that, although I won't be able to try it out anytime soon.
I wanna be at this place so baaaaaad
You probably don't wanna be there right now - on Covid lockdown ;-)
@@sandro-here lol yeah
why is it so hard to find myself a gf who's willing to talk about wms for 2 hours straight
great!!! excelente presentation, but what is the best?
Very nice and well-structured presentation, thanks a lot!
I have been using i3 for like a year now, and I am quite happy with it. However, there is one thing that I am frequently annoyed by and where I haven't found a way to configure it differently yet:
When I press a keyboard shortcut to open a new window that takes some time to initialize, and during initializing I switch to another workspace, it gets opened on the new workspace instead of on the one I was on when I pressed the shortcut. How are the other twms behaving in this situation? Is there a window manager where you can easily configure this?
Hi Martin! Thanks for your input! This is Aline's reply to your comment:
In theory, i3 has support for opening a window on the workspace which was active at the time you run the command. This is automatically done if you use the "exec" directive in your i3 config file.
However, there is a caveat: this functionality relies on startup notifications, which are the responsibility of the program you're starting. If your program does not support startup notifications, then this will not work. There is unfortunately no easy fix for that within i3.
As for other WMs, I must admit I don't know if they can handle this better.
@@sandro-here It's mostly gtk-launch for Jetbrains-IDEs ... I already use 'exec' ... That's a shame. Thank you for your explanation! :)
One thing is that, she could've just use same key bindings. Great explanation though.
Cutest way of saying "tiling window management"
i loved those witty quotes /messages on her terminal . where do i get those? anyone share please
Hi, it's fortune-mod with the -s option (for short fortune cookies)
Where may i take yours zsh config? Looks very nice.
It's Bash actually
GRAY="\[\e[1;30m\]"
RED="\[\e[1;31m\]"
C1="\[\e[1;34m\]"
GREEN="\[\e[1;32m\]"
C2="\[\e[0;35m\]"
NORM="\[\e[0m\]"
PS1="
$GRAY┌(\$(if [[ \$? == 0 ]]; then echo \"$GREEN^.^\"; else echo \"${RED}O_O\"; fi)$GRAY)-($C1\u@\h$GRAY)-($C1\j$GRAY)-($C1\A \d$GRAY)-($C2\w$GRAY)
\$(if [ ${EUID} -eq 0 ]; then echo \"$RED\"; else echo \"$GRAY\"; fi)└─» $NORM"
@@sandro-here wow, thank you! (* ^ ω ^)
She says that xmonad's only layouts are Tall, Mirror Tall and Fullscreen, but those are the only ones by default. Xmonad's configuration is just haskell code, so you can program your own layouts. The prebuilt layouts that come with xmonad can be found at github.com/xmonad/xmonad/wiki/Layouts
My god, I'm in love😍
I have become compressed diamonds.
hello everybody actually I have one problem with Arch Linux with I3wm configuration ; I don't know how to manage WiFi networks , I tried nm-applet and netctl but don't know what's wrong in this ; please suggest me if you have any ideas . Thank You !!
wifi-menu, it’s on the install image but not in the base distro. Install dialog package
thanks
I'm sad that I live in the US. I wish I would have had the chance to attend this course. I am thankful that you posted it so that anyone can benefit from the knowledge. Also learning from beautiful women makes me pay more attention. :) thanks
Using chunkwm on my Macbook pro :)
not related to linux but what is that beamer theme?
It's custom made
Functional programming is EASY, is a lot easier than imperative programming, it decouples business logic from any implementation detail. And uses pretty simple and easy to understand type system that reduces all the mess in OO. OO is a mess.
I have been using i3wm for some weeks and it's ok but she killed me when she began using Vim, I cannot use Vim. Guess I am a brainlet.
not many people like it. I love it and use it a lot, but admittedly there are better text editors so don't beat yourself over it :-)
I have been learning Python and so far, Geany is the only editor I use. It's ok and works for most task. I have to admit that I am a beginner learning about programming, I don't know what kind of tools a professional programmer or sys admin would use. BTW, by better do you mean Emacs? :)
Once you get used to it, vim is pretty awesome. I started using it because my Professor insisted we all use vim, but now I see the appeal.
Is there something else besides stacking and tiling? (I don't mean dynamic)
Hi! We are not aware of any other window management system. If you find one, please let us know :-)
@@sandro-here There is actually, tabbing window manager (which is just every window is full screen and taab switcher is at top, bottom, left or right)
Thank you for your survey of wtms but it is clearly disorienting to have Xmonad running on a shared home pc when the other users are not familiar with it. Like kids. However there are certain features i wish ubuntu could adopt like - when you open a program , linux should know to automatically use the left half of the screen and move all the other windows already open as horizontal slices of the right half. 'Intelligent window placement' instead of just opening the new window like a big plop into the middle of everything. Do you know of any way to make ubuntu a little more polite?
Hi, I'm not aware of a hybrid window manager excelling at both tiling and stacking. Nor do I have any experience with smarter stacking window managers. Maybe someone else has an idea to share? Regarding your kids, I'd recommend you install both a tiling and a standard window manager. You can then choose which one to start at the login screen (e.g. lightdm).
Really well presented information...and I'm a smitten kitten...awwww...
3:30, i do, all the time actually
She is my kind of woman
What is up with the titles on the terminal windows @ 37:30 ? Are these something random generated by the twm, awesome she is using?
She put fortune in her shell startup script
"But you can't have everything"
Well, this is Open Source, you can always code yourself another wm.
Beautiful WM's, beautiful girl. Perfect, thanks.
i liked herbstluft , i3, bspwm... Which one is faster, lighter?
Hard to tell. Unless you're using incredibly old or very rare hardware, you'll very likely not feel a difference. All are very light and very fast.
I've been able to run DWM on OpenBSD on a Pentium II with 128MB of RAM. The total RAM usage was ~50-60MB.
1:56 These images look nice only, because you haven't opened any non-terminal (GUI) applications...
In my experience, most GUI applications work well or well enough with tiling window managers. For the others, I instruct my WM to use floating mode for that particular window.
How she switches to different wm so fast?
With Xephyr
what is the DE of the 4:12, what kind of theme it uses?
It's XFCE and it was the Arch Linux default from 2016
@@sandro-here where can i get this theme now? i am using gentoo xfce .thanks
@@taizhouxulimachineryco.ltd9168 Sorry, I have no idea
If there is still someone reading this, please what are the other TWM that does the monitor workspace swapping, the way xmonad does, mentioned in 1:13:43 ?
Xmonad ist the only one doing it exacly like this, but [EDIT]: Aline says she feels like remembering a WM with static workspaces which handled monitors like xmonad, however she does not remember which.
Ah and of course you can use bash scripts, e.g. with i3 and i3-msg
@@sandro-here hi Aline, thank you for the video - I loved it! And also for the comment, keep the great work!
Did you please find any other uses for Haskell btw, other than xmonad?
@@peter_babic This ist Kalsan speaking, I relay messages to Aline. I'll gladly forward the compliment and your question
Update: Aline does not currently use Haskell on her personal setup
@@peter_babic Update update: It was herbstluftwm
@@sandro-here Aah sorry kalsan, nice to meet you, too. Are you as a group still operate in Switzerland? Do you organize some meetups or something (during the good times ofc) ?
what text editor does she use?
I asked and she's currently mostly using vim
i think these tiling wm are much alike. so many windows manager ,which one i should go with? but now i goes with i3wm
I also started with i3 and I think it's a very suitable first tilting WM.
@@sandro-here yes, this is the first tiling wm i use. but i also want to try bspwm. which linux version you are using now? i use arch. and also learn to install gentoo
@@andrewhuang6232 I'm (yet) on Arch, but I'm about to switch to Debian because Arch breaks too often. Still it's a great distro for learning and if you're willing to fix a few things every few months. Gento also has an excellent reputation as a distro that you should have used at least once in your life, due to the many wonders you learn when using it.
At TheAlternative.ch some people also use Fedora.
@@sandro-here yes, arch based Linux is great, easy to get an application.but frequently to update. sometime it may cause problem, first i install manjaro, and then get destroyed when updating. then installed arch. but i now am also worried,someday,it maybe corrupt again. but i know gentoo is arch alike, but with different. so i wanna try it . debian is steady. but i am not used to install application.
@@andrewhuang6232 Yes this is a common problem with bleeding edge. For me, Debian testing seems the best mid-way between stability and being up-to-date, my secondary computer has not experienced a single problem since I've switched.
69k views, nice
It's crazy how great presentations are presented in such casual ways, doubting themselves if they are even worth doing, while absolutely brain-dead presentations are presented with all the hype..
Where's xmonad/haskell gang at?
right here. high five :)
@@valbogda5512 aaaay high fiiiiive :D
Okay I don't use xmonad nor haskell. As a matter of fact I don't even use any tiling window managers. But I'm a sucker for high fives and I wanted to feel any sense of belonging.
Love Haskell! Not sure about Xmonad yet but I may try it :)
I use wms on debian based systems but I see so little amount of people doing that. Not that it matter but why is everyone using arch based systems? :-D
Personally, I'm using Arch because of the AUR. It's convenience I haven't found anywhere else. However, I love Debian for its reliability and completeness, it's a very thought-through system. I wish I could combine the comfort and the reliability of both, but they are probably contradictory.
kalsan15 aaah, I completely see why you said That! Unfortunately for me, when I was using arch aur didn't seem as complete to me as debian repos.. however, that may have changed or there could be other aspects to it. Funny enough besides me thinking aur is not good enough, I found the system itself nice and easy enough to learn
It's very complete now, but lacking stability and security. It's sad that a "Debian DUR" is strictly against the Debian mentality and I'm still searching for a solution in between...
What terminal is that?
URxvt
@@sandro-here Muchas thanks!
I guess I have a big handicap in being put off and unable to continue listening the moment I hear someone start talking about window manatchers. Even though her accent is actually pretty good otherwise... Curiously, she seems to get it right in the case of the verb "... a window manaTCHer manaGes windows..."
I'm 666th Subscriber! lol
She has the same laptop as me lol
shes so cute
Linux waifu
I was going to play AC: Odyssey. Instead i watch this... ?
Did you regret it? Might it change your life?
Well im at least thinking of trying awesome, bspwn or i3... So i guess it might.
Bless her she looks terrified :P
she kinda hot is it me or just she seem so interesting when it come to linux
I would love to marry Aline Abler.
How may I contact her for marriage proposal?
She has a very cute innocence aura with these glasses. But I'm not sure I would want a wife which has the exact same interests to my own. Programming at work, at home and in bed? That's too much.. 😂
Holy cow, she needs to slow down her speech. Nevertheless, great knowledge and contribution.
What?? Watched at 2x...
She could have set the same key combinations for all the window managers, but say what the default key combination is for that window manager.
Better luck next time.
UwU