It's interesting everyone's different opinion on Oppenheimer. My experience was that the audio editing was Nolan's best by far - A+, and the score fit perfectly - I never hardly noticed it, which made everything feel much more natural and immersive. Plus, unlike a lot of his other films, the script was actually pretty good - good dialogue, true to history, etc. I would argue that this easily is one of his best. I didn't even notice the 3hr runtime, but I could see that cutting 20 mins wouldn't have hurt it. RDJr was phenomenal; Matt Damon was fun; Emily Blunt is always magical; and Cillian Murphy was excellent. But hey, to each their own!
Jared is such a Nolan apologist to the point of missing objectivity, he even gets irritated about the audio thing. Like bro, it’s been ten years of people telling Nolan to fix his mix.
Nolan saying bad sound mixing is operatic is a huge cope. Nobody knows how to mix sound post-2012, and no one knows how to adjust brightness, contrast or color grading either. 3 of the four movies I've seen since covid broke have sounded like dogshit, and been too dark to see. (It's bad on streaming content too).
I only disagree with Jared on the movie being mean spirited toward men. It even genuinely lends a hand towards the male audience at the end which I didn’t expect and in the exact way the characters say what the writers think so I’m surprised Jared didn’t catch that.
It both does and doesnt. I enjoyed the movie, however there isn't a single depection of a good male figure in the whole movie. They're all shy, self-centered, narcissistic, dependent, superficial etc I just think where there are mothers, there are fathers, daughters, sons, grandmother, granfathers etc Duality is the essence of humanity.
It’s also pretty hateful of women. Think about the line “men hate women, but women hate women too”. Even the break down the mom has about how hard it is to be a woman are primarily issues created by women. There is a little bit of respect given to the characters at the end, but I really didn’t understand what the whole conclusion of the movie is.
Always great to see you two together. I said in the last video I agree with Jared on Oppenheimer. With Barbie, I'm pretty much halfway between Ryan and Jared. I liked the silliness of the first half, and Ryan Gosling's Ken was amazing, but it was a bit confusing in tone, plot, and message. I would have given it a 7 or 8 out of 10, but the ending knocked it down a full point. By the end, I also felt a bit bummed. Although in a very different way to the bummer after Oppenheimer. Also surprised you're not a Baumbach fan since, like Ryan, his work reminds me of Woody Allen. But that "everyone sounds too clever" feeling you're talking about is very personal, and some movies and shows rub me that way too. Frances Ha is my favorite Baumbach and is what made me a Greta Gerwig fan, so if you ever feel like giving him another shot, check that out. But I think we can all agree this video's a 10/10. Would recommend.
I disagree re dialogue. I couldn’t follow Tenet because I couldn’t understand Basil Exposition, and that’s required to understand the story. I’ve also watched a few Dark Knight Rises reactions on RUclips, and Bane is completely understandable. He isn’t on my Blu Ray, which leads me to believe the dialogue has subsequently been cleaned up.
One thing I love about Jared, even back in the days when I used to listen to the Rick and Morty podcast. I never know what he’s going to say. No matter where are you think he’s going to go you always go the opposite way.
I took the triviality of the world as part of the joke, like the reason why ken gets "radicalized" by "patriarchy" is so stupid because he doesn't understand patriarchy, he is just seeing shapes and colors.
I thought the "real world" in _Barbie_ was in fact a heightened reality, almost to the degree that Barbieland was, despite its appearance. So the over-the-top nature of the patriarchy was a portrayal of how girls/women imagine the patriarchy, not how it actually is.
I think it’s more of a reflection of how Barbie, a “woman” who hasn’t been socialized under a patriarcal social structure, would see our world. It’s pretty much like an antropologist meeting a new and totally foreign culture.
I didn't really care for Barbie for many reasons but I think it speaks to a level of fragility of the male ego to say that this movie is misandrist. If looking like a bit of a fool and not getting the girl at the end is the greatest affront for men that speaks volumes to the level of privilege men hold. Ken was even quite endearing as a character, he is the only one really who got an arc of any kind. Women get degraded, dogged and worse in films for less.
I think it's fair to call it a little misandrist because it's less about getting the girl and a bit more about how in this film the stereotype of a woman is always portrayed as positive (intelligent, stylish, mature, cooperative ,carrying themselves with a lot of burdens) and the stereotype of men being negative (foolish, immature , tacky, conflictive, incompetent but successful) but that's just my take. I agree that women have been portrayed way worse in films and that should stop. One message I loved about the film is that we should strive to get out of our "fantasy land" and enjoy life for all that it's worth (good and bad). I just wished that message was more integrated to the plot.
52:00 There was an interview with Christopher Nolan and Brian Cox where Noland said the colour segments were supposed to represent Oppenheimer's subjective view, while the black and white was supposed to be more of an objective view. He wanted the colour segments to jump out and be more emotional and close, set against the distant black and white stock footage from the test footage.
I think Barbie makes a clearer point about "existence precedes essence" then it does about its social message. Its not particularly deep, but that was my big takeaway from the movie and I am surprised Jared didn't comment on it
My gf said people in twitter were complaining about the film not showing japanese people. And I was like: It would have been awesome seeing ken watanabe and hiroyuki sanada playing japanese dominoes and getting roasted by the bomb
I'm at the point of wanting subtitles because I'm having trouble hearing dialogs. At the same time it's not unrelatable to think that one might be distracted when the environmental audio is muted compared to the dialogue and one would start feeling that "this is two actors in a sound stage" versus "this is a snapshot of the actual time and place in history", etc. I don't need that realism, but I can understand how some are this nit picky.
@@lanzer22 " @lanzer22 16 hours ago I'm at the point of wanting subtitles because I'm having trouble hearing dialogs. " Mate... I thought I de-learned English, I'm not a native speaker, but constantly sourrounded by different English, different American whatever accents, and I really really struggled to only get like 50-60 % of what was talked about... super frustrating.
Yeah I'm with Ryan on Barbie, was in a totally packed screen, everyone in pink, was kinda drunk off cocktails and I laughed my ass off. It was just a genuinely fun movie, much better than the trailers made it out it be. I loved the way they just waved away the technicalities of how the universe worked...it just wasn't important to the story they were telling. It's like in Tenet when Nolan is constantly telling us as the audience that it doesn't really matter how any of the technicalities work. You have to feel it and not thinking about it. I'm also a Gerwig and Baumbach fan so idk, maybe I was just predisposed to like it. Oppenheimer was very very good but I didn't LOVE it. I definitely had a better time with Barbie and glad I ended my double bill with that. I unironically agree with Ryan too...the bombs were underwhelming.
It really is. It feels like it's a litmus test whether a guy has a fragile ego or not because it's clearly satirical in nature so to have the butt of the joke being turned on its head is not only refreshing but allows to give insight to what other people are thinking about ourselves (if it really applies to you).
Do men need an ego checking...? Do we need movies to do that? Feels kinda like a shitty thing to do to make an entire movie just to ego check an entire subset of the population just because they dared to be born a certain way. Are trans men a part of that ego check? They're men after all, so that makes them in need of one apparently.
Subjective Objective: Nolan spoke in early interviews about how the color scenes are subjective, and the b&w scenes are objective. We're only subjectively experiencing Oppenheimer's POV. Strauss is only a main character in the b&w scenes. In the color scenes Strauss is sidelined. CinemaStix made a good primer talking about the subjective/objective filmmaking Nolan used in Memento.
I'm on the total opposite on the Baumbach/Gerwig thing. I love both stylized dialogue (otherwise I wouldn't touch Allen's or Tarantino's flicks) AND the mumblecore semi-improv 'movement' both participated in. I don't get how someone can turn off something like Marriage Story or Blue Jay, but to each his own. Also talk about missing the forest for the tree "wanting to see more bomb" lmao. Pure spectacle brain.
I totally agree about Barbie and mumblecore, but on Oppenheimer- come on! You can criticize the lack of payoff after building up the bomb the whole movie, and the test itself for an entire act, without just meaning it wasn’t enough spectacle. I felt like the explosions Oppenheimer was imagining during the “victory” speech after the test was more effective than the explosion itself. I don’t think Nolan meant for the explosion to be intentionally underwhelming to make the point it shouldn’t have been exciting, since it should be morally wrong to celebrate it. He clearly makes that point in the scene immediately following it. The contrast between the celebrations and what Opp was experiencing and feeling were incredibly effective in showing that. It was an amazing scene. Nolan can clearly effectively make points about spectacle, but the bomb being underwhelming is not the result of a greater point he was making. It just didn’t hit.
The sound mix was so annoying for Openheimer specially for dialogue driven 3 hours film. The dialogue volume was too low even when the person speaking is full on camera. This kills any re-watchability of this film on the small screen, because the sound will be even more terrible.
I liked it a bit more than Ryan but I kind of agree with him about Oppenheimer. First of all--ditch the unintelligible dialogue, but also, the whole security clearance part of the movie felt like a kind of a subplot and it felt like it was appended more than part of the main story. I honestly wish the movie had been more linear in its storytelling. I heard that the black and white scenes were meant to be essentially real and that the color scenes (most of the movie) were sort of Nolan's own imagining of what actually took place, which sort of made it even more confusing. I mean the narrative wasn't confusing per se, but a little difficult to follow and there were literally 3 timelines going on at once and in one of the timelines the action shifted from New Jersey to Berkeley to Los Alamos. Edit: Actually 4 timelines, I forgot his student days.
You guys should definitely do a Sound of Freedom review together! That would be awesome. Lol. Personally I’ve heard there’s nothing special about the film. But still curious on you guys thoughts.
The irony is that Oppenheimer was persecuted and distrusted because of his left leaning politics but Jared doesn’t like Barbie because of it’s left leaning politics, thus connecting barbenheimer organically
38:00 I feel like in the Barbie movie, they were experiencing serious issues in a very superficial way because superficial is all they know. Like when a cartoon character (or Sesame Street) visits the "real world" in a show, the real world interacts with them superficially because both worlds are still part of the cartoon. But I think the issues and feelings were real and serious, but filtered through the characters' / dolls' superficiality and ability to comprehend.
Not really since Barbie is Warner Bros and after Nolans falling out with Warner Bros, Barbie was actually moved to compete directly with Oppie. So more like counter programming that backfired. That being said I now except campaigns like this to be made by Hollywood trying to cash in on the trend. Already see some memes about Saw 10 and Paw Patrol releasing on the same day later this year.
It really is a marketing campaign. Tweets, posts, videos and comments on interviews is part of marketing too. But I don't think it was planned out too far ahead, it was kind of organic.
Even without going into what is the actual message of the films, I think the onus on Oppenheimer to get it correct on that front is far more than Barbie as Oppenheimer as you say is a film that has a very serious tone and talks about things like nuclear explosion etc. And I think Oppenheimer does not get it correct, no where near what it could have done.
Man, mad respect to you Jared, but not everything has to be made for the white man. lol But on that note, I think the point of the movie was ultimately that gendering our issues is silly and can only ever create messed up societies. No one would look at Barbieworld and think, "Yeah! Seems great!" You are supposed to be a little uncomfortable with the plan to put Barbieworld back to exactly how it was. Yeah, some stuff is on the nose, but our society is also kind of stupid these days. Sometimes you gotta write the important stuff in big, colorful letters. Just my take, and I also enjoyed Barbie. Did it open the door to talk about class? Nah, but it did, kinda, shut the door on interpretting all of women's problems from the sex-based perspective of, "If only men would...." I think that is a stepping stone to "If only WE would...."
My theory on.the dialogue choices is partly due to how loud the IMAX film camera can be, so proper balanced dialogue is near impossible on set and those sections of the movie will be dubbed anyways why not just hide or distort it instead of reshoots LOL
3:02 Film Makers: Christopher Nolan & Greta Gerwig 🎥 🎞️ 4:24 Helsinki Finland 🇫🇮 • Film Nerds turned out for Oppenheimer • Barbie appealed to Teenage Girls (of course!) 6:34 • Oppenheimer A? • Barbie B? 7:43 Oppenheimer A? Barbie C/D? 8:11 - The Trailers put Ryan’s expectations off. 8:56 Ryan had a fun time watching Barbie. 9:34 Oppenheimer B-., - It did not need to be 3 hours! Too long! - Needed more bombs 💣 🚀!
Great to see Jared and Ryan back together talking movies! I'm glad you brought up Sound Of Freedom and I hope you two see it because I'm curious about your thoughts. My wife, who is the most apolitical person I know, wanted to see it because she heard from alot of people that it was good (we are in a red southern state also). I too was hesitant to see it because it has some right wing MAGA stank on it. It feels like just the act of going to see a movie now can be viewed as a political statement, which sucks. All that being said, I thought was very good. The only message i got from it was that human trafficking is terrible. I interpreted no deep state conspiracy elements to it but maybe I missed something. Also not a heavy religious theme either. The most egregious line is ''Gods children are not for sell.'' It is, to me, a well made, well acted film. Think Taken but more grounded. I don't want to say too much about it but I think it's worth seeing. As a bonus, you can understand every line of dialog!
Maybe if Bauer was honest, he'd admit that everyone who worked on Barbie did an amazing job creating a film that kids and adults can watch and enjoy, all the while getting directives and vetos from a giant greedy corporation only interested in money. The company that took Barbie's success as a sign that creating a whole bunch of films about their games and toys is a great idea. And, btw, Barbie IS a movie about toys so it definitively CAN at the same time be fun for kids and fun for adults, and at the same time not really be serious about itself.
Oppenhiemer > barbie for me. I barbinhiemered. They got my money either way lol. The issue for me is that barbie completely ignores that kens are actually oppressed more than realworld women in the context of thier world. The kens are not allowed to do anything and dont even have homes lol Even when thats pointed out it, they did the opposite of what actual female leaders would likely do. Now the partiarchy not being about horses dialogue, and the mojo dojo casa house were hilarious concepts.
I didn't like either too much honestly... On one hand I thought Barbie was fun, had great music but for my taste it was too morally empty while being also overtly, tiresomely preachy. For me, any feminist message gets muddled at the end by not giving Kens equal rights. That's the reason for me, the film unintentionally becomes a critique on power dynamics (which then, Triangle of Sadness does way way better). On the other hand, Oppenheimer had great acting but then it (proved Barbie's point ?) started sexualizing / utilizing women in a very materialistic way and the plot/ pacing felt a bit disjointed after the successful test. The Strauss subplot specially was confusing for me and I would have liked to see more of Strauss, specially if he's going to be the "main antagonist" and if we're supposed to rally against him.
I am ok with a political ideology on gender norms but I wish the conclusion was "We should live and work together as equals." not "The patriarchy should be replaced by the matriarchy!"
That wasn't the message dawg! Wtf is wrong with you? They literally show at the end how the matriarchy of the Barbieworld was awful for the Kens. How do people keep missing that?
Barbie is so confused that it ends up saying very little. I have seen a few "normies" like it; however, if the purported political convictions of the filmmakers fail to surmount the predominant essence of Barbie, and normies are therefore extrapolating the opposite of what the filmmakers intended - that is, rejecting the feminism of Barbie in favour of gravitating toward the sanctity of motherhood, which is an inevitable component of Barbie's unapologetic femininity, however much it discards it - then that's interesting. The word meretricious comes to mind for both films. Both were indulgent for me, though Oppenheimer was the more engaging.
Thank god Ryan called Jared out that he kept referring to Barbie as Noah baumbach’s film. It’s Greta Gerwigs film. When Jared talks about other movies he only refers to the director name. Let’s take woody Allen for example. He doesn’t call Annie Hall Marshall Brickmans movie. Dude has some serious misogynist issues he’s got to deal with and I am not surprised he didn’t like Barbie. I know it’s hard to see things you like change, but women are going to be making content for women and you gotta take some time to understand why that bothers you so much.
I think it's just because the meta style is similar to other Noah Baumbach films and since he hasn't seen any Gerwig films that's the point of reference he uses to discuss why he doesn't like films in that style. I don't think he thinks Gerwig had nothing to do with the movie or anything like that.
Well, he was going and going about seeing the writer and all when Ryan told him "But you love Woody Allen" and he had to admit he didn't like the criticism of masculinity the film does. I think that calling the movie a "Baumbach movie" all the time was a way to hide this too. IDK if this was on purpose, but I think there was something there.
I hear the points above and yes fair enough. I think after a bit of reflecting, I know Jared is a smart person. I believe I listened to every episode of show me the meaning, and I can not remember another time Jared referenced a movie based on a one of the co writers and not the director/main writer of the movie. If you are going to review a movie, know the names of the person behind it. To me, it’s coming off as disrespectful. Plus, the really important fact that there aren’t a lot of female directors. Knowing their names is the least a person who’s been reviewing movies for years can do. Smh.
He has praised female creators numerous times. What's with this tendency of jumping into a 1 min pseudo-pyschonalisis of whoever I disagree with it on the internet !? It´s just not healthy.
The Barbie movie is either an ironic smug but oblivious tone deaf satire of its own brand, or a poorly executed and lazy yet cynical take of the brand it claims to want to represent. At the end it's just a pricey advertisement that exploits nostalgia anyway.
I thought Sound of Freedom was an effective film that wasn't explicitly political. I'm left wing and atheist but still enjoyed the movie, but I saw it opening day so I didn't have the cultural influence on me.
The marketing for Barbie was disgustingly deceitful. The movie is like 50% about "Patriarchy bad, female empowerment good". And sure, that's OK if you like it, but going into the theater as a man trying to find some fun was an absolute bummer. Nothing in the trailers show that the sub-plot is about Ken taking Patriarchy to Barbieland. Jared, please go watch Across the Spiderverse, it's the best animated movie in the last couple of years IMO (after Puss in Boots: The Last Wish). Looking forward to see Sound of Freedom, even splashed by Q-Anon stuff at least talks about real sh*t that sadly still happens in the world (child trafficking).
Imagine being a grown man who knows and appreciates film on a deep level yet thinking that Barbie is better than Oppenheimer. Truly a strange world we live in.
Imagine being a grown man who still doesn't realize that art (and literally everything else) is entirely subjective. What a tiny little world you live in.
@@user_2148 call me crazy but I’m pretty confident in my “subjective opinion” that saying Oppenheimer “needed more explosions because it’s a movie about bombs” is a dog shit, surface level, braindead thing to say. You’re an idiot if you disagree.
Jared AND Ryan!!!!??A "Show me the Meaning!"" Mini reunion!!
Gonna listen to Oldboy episode right now
Ryan talking intellectually just seems confusing to me knowing all the Funhaus Ryan lore I know.
It's good seeing Ryan again!
It's interesting everyone's different opinion on Oppenheimer. My experience was that the audio editing was Nolan's best by far - A+, and the score fit perfectly - I never hardly noticed it, which made everything feel much more natural and immersive. Plus, unlike a lot of his other films, the script was actually pretty good - good dialogue, true to history, etc. I would argue that this easily is one of his best. I didn't even notice the 3hr runtime, but I could see that cutting 20 mins wouldn't have hurt it. RDJr was phenomenal; Matt Damon was fun; Emily Blunt is always magical; and Cillian Murphy was excellent. But hey, to each their own!
Jared is such a Nolan apologist to the point of missing objectivity, he even gets irritated about the audio thing. Like bro, it’s been ten years of people telling Nolan to fix his mix.
Nolan saying bad sound mixing is operatic is a huge cope.
Nobody knows how to
mix sound post-2012, and no one knows how to adjust brightness, contrast or color grading either.
3 of the four movies I've seen since covid broke have sounded like dogshit, and been too dark to see. (It's bad on streaming content too).
I only disagree with Jared on the movie being mean spirited toward men. It even genuinely lends a hand towards the male audience at the end which I didn’t expect and in the exact way the characters say what the writers think so I’m surprised Jared didn’t catch that.
It both does and doesnt. I enjoyed the movie, however there isn't a single depection of a good male figure in the whole movie. They're all shy, self-centered, narcissistic, dependent, superficial etc
I just think where there are mothers, there are fathers, daughters, sons, grandmother, granfathers etc
Duality is the essence of humanity.
So they crap on men for 3 hours and then lends them a hand at the end?
I kid.
Can you elaborate how they do that at the end?
It’s also pretty hateful of women. Think about the line “men hate women, but women hate women too”. Even the break down the mom has about how hard it is to be a woman are primarily issues created by women. There is a little bit of respect given to the characters at the end, but I really didn’t understand what the whole conclusion of the movie is.
Omgggggggggggggg I thought Jared and Ryan were going to screaming: SHOW ME THE MEANING!!!! 😂😂😅😂😂😅😅😅. LOVE JARED, MY SAVIOR.
Always great to see you two together. I said in the last video I agree with Jared on Oppenheimer. With Barbie, I'm pretty much halfway between Ryan and Jared.
I liked the silliness of the first half, and Ryan Gosling's Ken was amazing, but it was a bit confusing in tone, plot, and message. I would have given it a 7 or 8 out of 10, but the ending knocked it down a full point. By the end, I also felt a bit bummed. Although in a very different way to the bummer after Oppenheimer.
Also surprised you're not a Baumbach fan since, like Ryan, his work reminds me of Woody Allen. But that "everyone sounds too clever" feeling you're talking about is very personal, and some movies and shows rub me that way too. Frances Ha is my favorite Baumbach and is what made me a Greta Gerwig fan, so if you ever feel like giving him another shot, check that out.
But I think we can all agree this video's a 10/10. Would recommend.
I disagree re dialogue. I couldn’t follow Tenet because I couldn’t understand Basil Exposition, and that’s required to understand the story. I’ve also watched a few Dark Knight Rises reactions on RUclips, and Bane is completely understandable. He isn’t on my Blu Ray, which leads me to believe the dialogue has subsequently been cleaned up.
First off, amazing to see you and Ryan together again. Also I love that Jared and I share the same opinion on Baumbach
One thing I love about Jared, even back in the days when I used to listen to the Rick and Morty podcast. I never know what he’s going to say. No matter where are you think he’s going to go you always go the opposite way.
I took the triviality of the world as part of the joke, like the reason why ken gets "radicalized" by "patriarchy" is so stupid because he doesn't understand patriarchy, he is just seeing shapes and colors.
I thought the "real world" in _Barbie_ was in fact a heightened reality, almost to the degree that Barbieland was, despite its appearance. So the over-the-top nature of the patriarchy was a portrayal of how girls/women imagine the patriarchy, not how it actually is.
I think it’s more of a reflection of how Barbie, a “woman” who hasn’t been socialized under a patriarcal social structure, would see our world. It’s pretty much like an antropologist meeting a new and totally foreign culture.
Totally agree
I agree with Ryan and disagree with Jared
I didn't really care for Barbie for many reasons but I think it speaks to a level of fragility of the male ego to say that this movie is misandrist. If looking like a bit of a fool and not getting the girl at the end is the greatest affront for men that speaks volumes to the level of privilege men hold. Ken was even quite endearing as a character, he is the only one really who got an arc of any kind. Women get degraded, dogged and worse in films for less.
I think it's fair to call it a little misandrist because it's less about getting the girl and a bit more about how in this film the stereotype of a woman is always portrayed as positive (intelligent, stylish, mature, cooperative ,carrying themselves with a lot of burdens) and the stereotype of men being negative (foolish, immature , tacky, conflictive, incompetent but successful) but that's just my take. I agree that women have been portrayed way worse in films and that should stop. One message I loved about the film is that we should strive to get out of our "fantasy land" and enjoy life for all that it's worth (good and bad). I just wished that message was more integrated to the plot.
52:00 There was an interview with Christopher Nolan and Brian Cox where Noland said the colour segments were supposed to represent Oppenheimer's subjective view, while the black and white was supposed to be more of an objective view.
He wanted the colour segments to jump out and be more emotional and close, set against the distant black and white stock footage from the test footage.
I think Barbie makes a clearer point about "existence precedes essence" then it does about its social message. Its not particularly deep, but that was my big takeaway from the movie and I am surprised Jared didn't comment on it
My gf said people in twitter were complaining about the film not showing japanese people. And I was like: It would have been awesome seeing ken watanabe and hiroyuki sanada playing japanese dominoes and getting roasted by the bomb
Jared going soft on Nolan for having unforgivable audio mixing is something i didn’t think i’d see (or hear)
I'm at the point of wanting subtitles because I'm having trouble hearing dialogs. At the same time it's not unrelatable to think that one might be distracted when the environmental audio is muted compared to the dialogue and one would start feeling that "this is two actors in a sound stage" versus "this is a snapshot of the actual time and place in history", etc. I don't need that realism, but I can understand how some are this nit picky.
I see what you did there.
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I'm at the point of wanting subtitles because I'm having trouble hearing dialogs. " Mate... I thought I de-learned English, I'm not a native speaker, but constantly sourrounded by different English, different American whatever accents, and I really really struggled to only get like 50-60 % of what was talked about... super frustrating.
"unforgivable"?
Or "artistically brilliant to such a degree that we will not realize so until years or perhaps decades later"?
I am so curious about Barbie now that I've seen Oppie! Can't wait to watch!
Yeah I'm with Ryan on Barbie, was in a totally packed screen, everyone in pink, was kinda drunk off cocktails and I laughed my ass off. It was just a genuinely fun movie, much better than the trailers made it out it be. I loved the way they just waved away the technicalities of how the universe worked...it just wasn't important to the story they were telling. It's like in Tenet when Nolan is constantly telling us as the audience that it doesn't really matter how any of the technicalities work. You have to feel it and not thinking about it. I'm also a Gerwig and Baumbach fan so idk, maybe I was just predisposed to like it.
Oppenheimer was very very good but I didn't LOVE it. I definitely had a better time with Barbie and glad I ended my double bill with that. I unironically agree with Ryan too...the bombs were underwhelming.
#TeamRyan, mostly.
show me the meani- wait fuck wrong show, glad to see the boys back in the same place
I love this two! That dynamic gets me a little nostalgic
I think Barbie is also an ego check for men, and it can be hard to identify that while analyzing.
It's actually a very shallow critique of the patriarchy and masculinity.
It really is. It feels like it's a litmus test whether a guy has a fragile ego or not because it's clearly satirical in nature so to have the butt of the joke being turned on its head is not only refreshing but allows to give insight to what other people are thinking about ourselves (if it really applies to you).
@@mindlander looks like it went over your head completely
Do men need an ego checking...? Do we need movies to do that? Feels kinda like a shitty thing to do to make an entire movie just to ego check an entire subset of the population just because they dared to be born a certain way. Are trans men a part of that ego check? They're men after all, so that makes them in need of one apparently.
so jared seems to have strong opinions on metamodernism.
Subjective Objective: Nolan spoke in early interviews about how the color scenes are subjective, and the b&w scenes are objective. We're only subjectively experiencing Oppenheimer's POV. Strauss is only a main character in the b&w scenes. In the color scenes Strauss is sidelined. CinemaStix made a good primer talking about the subjective/objective filmmaking Nolan used in Memento.
I'm on the total opposite on the Baumbach/Gerwig thing. I love both stylized dialogue (otherwise I wouldn't touch Allen's or Tarantino's flicks) AND the mumblecore semi-improv 'movement' both participated in. I don't get how someone can turn off something like Marriage Story or Blue Jay, but to each his own.
Also talk about missing the forest for the tree "wanting to see more bomb" lmao. Pure spectacle brain.
I totally agree about Barbie and mumblecore, but on Oppenheimer- come on! You can criticize the lack of payoff after building up the bomb the whole movie, and the test itself for an entire act, without just meaning it wasn’t enough spectacle.
I felt like the explosions Oppenheimer was imagining during the “victory” speech after the test was more effective than the explosion itself. I don’t think Nolan meant for the explosion to be intentionally underwhelming to make the point it shouldn’t have been exciting, since it should be morally wrong to celebrate it. He clearly makes that point in the scene immediately following it. The contrast between the celebrations and what Opp was experiencing and feeling were incredibly effective in showing that. It was an amazing scene.
Nolan can clearly effectively make points about spectacle, but the bomb being underwhelming is not the result of a greater point he was making. It just didn’t hit.
YAY Ryan!! Good to see you two together again
The sound mix was so annoying for Openheimer specially for dialogue driven 3 hours film. The dialogue volume was too low even when the person speaking is full on camera. This kills any re-watchability of this film on the small screen, because the sound will be even more terrible.
Wait, isn’t this the guy who did the “definitive barbenhimer guide”
People think by disking Barbie they will turn all-right. if you find it silly it silly that's it
I don't think people feel that way
@@letsfindsomepeace9207 I hope it's not the case for a lot of people
Never thought I’d see the day that Ryan has a better take than Jared
like the good ol' days
I liked it a bit more than Ryan but I kind of agree with him about Oppenheimer. First of all--ditch the unintelligible dialogue, but also, the whole security clearance part of the movie felt like a kind of a subplot and it felt like it was appended more than part of the main story. I honestly wish the movie had been more linear in its storytelling. I heard that the black and white scenes were meant to be essentially real and that the color scenes (most of the movie) were sort of Nolan's own imagining of what actually took place, which sort of made it even more confusing. I mean the narrative wasn't confusing per se, but a little difficult to follow and there were literally 3 timelines going on at once and in one of the timelines the action shifted from New Jersey to Berkeley to Los Alamos. Edit: Actually 4 timelines, I forgot his student days.
You guys should definitely do a Sound of Freedom review together! That would be awesome. Lol. Personally I’ve heard there’s nothing special about the film. But still curious on you guys thoughts.
The irony is that Oppenheimer was persecuted and distrusted because of his left leaning politics but Jared doesn’t like Barbie because of it’s left leaning politics, thus connecting barbenheimer organically
That's not why he didn't like it lol
@@anon2127 it’s certainly one of the things he didn’t enjoy about it. He says so in the video.
No it's the hamfisted way it presented the politics. Like sledgehammer over the head - it distrusts the intelligence of the audience
38:00 I feel like in the Barbie movie, they were experiencing serious issues in a very superficial way because superficial is all they know.
Like when a cartoon character (or Sesame Street) visits the "real world" in a show, the real world interacts with them superficially because both worlds are still part of the cartoon.
But I think the issues and feelings were real and serious, but filtered through the characters' / dolls' superficiality and ability to comprehend.
Anyone else think this whole Barbieheimer thing could have been a stealth marketing campaign?
Not really since Barbie is Warner Bros and after Nolans falling out with Warner Bros, Barbie was actually moved to compete directly with Oppie. So more like counter programming that backfired. That being said I now except campaigns like this to be made by Hollywood trying to cash in on the trend. Already see some memes about Saw 10 and Paw Patrol releasing on the same day later this year.
@@user_2148 Marketing by theaters though...? I don't believe so either, really, but my social media paranoia brain still thinks about it.
It really is a marketing campaign. Tweets, posts, videos and comments on interviews is part of marketing too. But I don't think it was planned out too far ahead, it was kind of organic.
Ryan is baked.
barbie was super enjoyable if you go to laugh, bot to see a good movie lol, the music was great
Even without going into what is the actual message of the films, I think the onus on Oppenheimer to get it correct on that front is far more than Barbie as Oppenheimer as you say is a film that has a very serious tone and talks about things like nuclear explosion etc. And I think Oppenheimer does not get it correct, no where near what it could have done.
Jared taking a break from smelling his own farts
Things got a bit tense there
Man, mad respect to you Jared, but not everything has to be made for the white man. lol
But on that note, I think the point of the movie was ultimately that gendering our issues is silly and can only ever create messed up societies. No one would look at Barbieworld and think, "Yeah! Seems great!" You are supposed to be a little uncomfortable with the plan to put Barbieworld back to exactly how it was. Yeah, some stuff is on the nose, but our society is also kind of stupid these days. Sometimes you gotta write the important stuff in big, colorful letters.
Just my take, and I also enjoyed Barbie. Did it open the door to talk about class? Nah, but it did, kinda, shut the door on interpretting all of women's problems from the sex-based perspective of, "If only men would...." I think that is a stepping stone to "If only WE would...."
Hi Jared, do you think Universal might release a directors cut to Oppenheimer?
Or was this the director's cut?
My theory on.the dialogue choices is partly due to how loud the IMAX film camera can be, so proper balanced dialogue is near impossible on set and those sections of the movie will be dubbed anyways why not just hide or distort it instead of reshoots LOL
Missed this combo!!
3:02 Film Makers:
Christopher Nolan &
Greta Gerwig 🎥 🎞️
4:24 Helsinki Finland 🇫🇮
• Film Nerds turned out for Oppenheimer
• Barbie appealed to Teenage Girls (of course!)
6:34
• Oppenheimer A?
• Barbie B?
7:43 Oppenheimer A?
Barbie C/D?
8:11
- The Trailers put Ryan’s expectations off.
8:56 Ryan had a fun time watching Barbie.
9:34 Oppenheimer B-.,
- It did not need to be 3 hours! Too long!
- Needed more bombs 💣 🚀!
Great to see Jared and Ryan back together talking movies! I'm glad you brought up Sound Of Freedom and I hope you two see it because I'm curious about your thoughts. My wife, who is the most apolitical person I know, wanted to see it because she heard from alot of people that it was good (we are in a red southern state also). I too was hesitant to see it because it has some right wing MAGA stank on it. It feels like just the act of going to see a movie now can be viewed as a political statement, which sucks. All that being said, I thought was very good. The only message i got from it was that human trafficking is terrible. I interpreted no deep state conspiracy elements to it but maybe I missed something. Also not a heavy religious theme either. The most egregious line is ''Gods children are not for sell.'' It is, to me, a well made, well acted film. Think Taken but more grounded. I don't want to say too much about it but I think it's worth seeing. As a bonus, you can understand every line of dialog!
Can you make more analysis like you used to for Wisecrack?
BarbieQ’d lmaoooooo, great discussion here
My biggest take away from Barbie was that it hates men, but it also hates women too.
For me the Black and White shots were moments in time where Opp had no credibility.
Having never watched either,both are "P's" (for,"Problems ima never has")...
D&D!? Why doesn't anyone remember that movie happened?
Maybe if Bauer was honest, he'd admit that everyone who worked on Barbie did an amazing job creating a film that kids and adults can watch and enjoy, all the while getting directives and vetos from a giant greedy corporation only interested in money. The company that took Barbie's success as a sign that creating a whole bunch of films about their games and toys is a great idea.
And, btw, Barbie IS a movie about toys so it definitively CAN at the same time be fun for kids and fun for adults, and at the same time not really be serious about itself.
The B&W is supposed to be Anti-Subjective with respect to Oppenheimer's POV (and hence non-colour), but not Strauss' Subjective POV...
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Oppenhiemer > barbie for me. I barbinhiemered. They got my money either way lol. The issue for me is that barbie completely ignores that kens are actually oppressed more than realworld women in the context of thier world. The kens are not allowed to do anything and dont even have homes lol Even when thats pointed out it, they did the opposite of what actual female leaders would likely do. Now the partiarchy not being about horses dialogue, and the mojo dojo casa house were hilarious concepts.
Barbie chaser is the way to go.
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i dont see what the politcal message is in the lego movie , so its a week defence
whaaaaat, are you serious? Watch the lego movie again mate. it has a "profound" political message.
@@adrianseanheidmann4559 in the second one sure but the first nah cant se any haard political message , but pls Enlighten me with more info
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I didn't like either too much honestly...
On one hand I thought Barbie was fun, had great music but for my taste it was too morally empty while being also overtly, tiresomely preachy. For me, any feminist message gets muddled at the end by not giving Kens equal rights. That's the reason for me, the film unintentionally becomes a critique on power dynamics (which then, Triangle of Sadness does way way better).
On the other hand, Oppenheimer had great acting but then it (proved Barbie's point ?) started sexualizing / utilizing women in a very materialistic way and the plot/ pacing felt a bit disjointed after the successful test. The Strauss subplot specially was confusing for me and I would have liked to see more of Strauss, specially if he's going to be the "main antagonist" and if we're supposed to rally against him.
I am ok with a political ideology on gender norms but I wish the conclusion was "We should live and work together as equals." not "The patriarchy should be replaced by the matriarchy!"
That wasn't the message dawg! Wtf is wrong with you? They literally show at the end how the matriarchy of the Barbieworld was awful for the Kens. How do people keep missing that?
Barbie is so confused that it ends up saying very little. I have seen a few "normies" like it; however, if the purported political convictions of the filmmakers fail to surmount the predominant essence of Barbie, and normies are therefore extrapolating the opposite of what the filmmakers intended - that is, rejecting the feminism of Barbie in favour of gravitating toward the sanctity of motherhood, which is an inevitable component of Barbie's unapologetic femininity, however much it discards it - then that's interesting.
The word meretricious comes to mind for both films. Both were indulgent for me, though Oppenheimer was the more engaging.
Thank god Ryan called Jared out that he kept referring to Barbie as Noah baumbach’s film. It’s Greta Gerwigs film.
When Jared talks about other movies he only refers to the director name. Let’s take woody Allen for example. He doesn’t call Annie Hall Marshall Brickmans movie.
Dude has some serious misogynist issues he’s got to deal with and I am not surprised he didn’t like Barbie. I know it’s hard to see things you like change, but women are going to be making content for women and you gotta take some time to understand why that bothers you so much.
seemed like a simple mistake tbh but idk 🤷♂
I think it's just because the meta style is similar to other Noah Baumbach films and since he hasn't seen any Gerwig films that's the point of reference he uses to discuss why he doesn't like films in that style. I don't think he thinks Gerwig had nothing to do with the movie or anything like that.
Well, he was going and going about seeing the writer and all when Ryan told him "But you love Woody Allen" and he had to admit he didn't like the criticism of masculinity the film does. I think that calling the movie a "Baumbach movie" all the time was a way to hide this too. IDK if this was on purpose, but I think there was something there.
I hear the points above and yes fair enough.
I think after a bit of reflecting, I know Jared is a smart person. I believe I listened to every episode of show me the meaning, and I can not remember another time Jared referenced a movie based on a one of the co writers and not the director/main writer of the movie.
If you are going to review a movie, know the names of the person behind it.
To me, it’s coming off as disrespectful. Plus, the really important fact that there aren’t a lot of female directors. Knowing their names is the least a person who’s been reviewing movies for years can do. Smh.
He has praised female creators numerous times. What's with this tendency of jumping into a 1 min pseudo-pyschonalisis of whoever I disagree with it on the internet !? It´s just not healthy.
The Barbie movie is either an ironic smug but oblivious tone deaf satire of its own brand, or a poorly executed and lazy yet cynical take of the brand it claims to want to represent.
At the end it's just a pricey advertisement that exploits nostalgia anyway.
Great talk! But Jared, pls, change your photo in a preview. You look like you've been shot by a high density radiation beam.
I thought Sound of Freedom was an effective film that wasn't explicitly political. I'm left wing and atheist but still enjoyed the movie, but I saw it opening day so I didn't have the cultural influence on me.
The marketing for Barbie was disgustingly deceitful. The movie is like 50% about "Patriarchy bad, female empowerment good". And sure, that's OK if you like it, but going into the theater as a man trying to find some fun was an absolute bummer.
Nothing in the trailers show that the sub-plot is about Ken taking Patriarchy to Barbieland.
Jared, please go watch Across the Spiderverse, it's the best animated movie in the last couple of years IMO (after Puss in Boots: The Last Wish).
Looking forward to see Sound of Freedom, even splashed by Q-Anon stuff at least talks about real sh*t that sadly still happens in the world (child trafficking).
Jared a.k.a. The Voice of Reason!
Of course a beta like Ryan would love the Barbie movie.
Imagine being a grown man who knows and appreciates film on a deep level yet thinking that Barbie is better than Oppenheimer. Truly a strange world we live in.
Imagine being a grown man who still doesn't realize that art (and literally everything else) is entirely subjective. What a tiny little world you live in.
@@user_2148 call me crazy but I’m pretty confident in my “subjective opinion” that saying Oppenheimer “needed more explosions because it’s a movie about bombs” is a dog shit, surface level, braindead thing to say. You’re an idiot if you disagree.
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