Orthodoxy & Social Justice - Hieromonk Gabriel

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  • Опубликовано: 31 дек 2020
  • This is the fifth episode from my interview with Orthodox priest monk and blogger, Hieromonk Gabriel of Holy Cross Monastery in Wayne, WV.
    In this episode, Hieromonk Gabriel discusses the traditional Christian approach to social justice.
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Комментарии • 73

  • @ProtectingVeil
    @ProtectingVeil  4 месяца назад

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  • @tyxikosgatpopoulos4004
    @tyxikosgatpopoulos4004 3 года назад +40

    To put it simply,if everyone tried with all.his might to follow the teachings of Christ there would be no social problems or injustice.

  • @OrthodoxReview
    @OrthodoxReview 3 года назад +19

    I need to listen to this every day.

    • @davidwatts3048
      @davidwatts3048 3 года назад +1

      no kidding. I wish he were our priest!

  • @bradspitt3896
    @bradspitt3896 3 года назад +16

    "Social Justice" is just outsourcing virtue to the state.

    • @brotheraugustine
      @brotheraugustine 3 года назад +9

      It would be if it had anything to do with justice, but it’s mostly just envy, stealing, violence, and racial hatred masquerading as “love and tolerance.”

  • @darlenezamora1277
    @darlenezamora1277 3 года назад +1

    Thank you brother, for the most humbling lesson of the century. 🙏

  • @suchisthismystery2814
    @suchisthismystery2814 3 года назад +4

    God came to my house
    and asked for charity.
    And I fell on my knees and cried,
    'Beloved, what may I give?'
    'Just love,' He said.
    'Just love.'
    - St. Francis.

    • @bennitok5529
      @bennitok5529 4 дня назад

      francis of assisi is not an orthodox saint

    • @suchisthismystery2814
      @suchisthismystery2814 4 дня назад

      You clearly missed the point, but hey!
      May the Heavens shower flowers upon your heart, wherever you are, today, each day, forever and always! 🙏💛

    • @bennitok5529
      @bennitok5529 4 дня назад

      @@suchisthismystery2814 i didnt miss the point, but I think its not good to think francis is an orthodox saints. And i really need help and flowers yes, because i am demon possessed

    • @suchisthismystery2814
      @suchisthismystery2814 4 дня назад

      @@bennitok5529 Oh you most certainly missed the point .
      As for your initial comment, I was already fully aware that St. Francis is not officially recognised as a saint by the Orthodox Church.
      As for your last comment, it does not warrant a response quite frankly.

    • @bennitok5529
      @bennitok5529 4 дня назад

      @@suchisthismystery2814 forgive me im stupid

  • @PistonShack
    @PistonShack 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for covering this topic. God Blessing!

  • @savvasbournelis8401
    @savvasbournelis8401 3 года назад +2

    Well said! Reminds me of St Seraphim of Sarov’s Acquisition of the Holy Spirit text

  • @FatherAndTeacherTV
    @FatherAndTeacherTV 3 года назад +1

    Enjoyed this interview!

  • @feeble_stirrings
    @feeble_stirrings 3 года назад

    Excellent, thank you.

  • @juliabartlam2083
    @juliabartlam2083 3 года назад

    amen

  • @suchisthismystery2814
    @suchisthismystery2814 3 года назад +2

    In the end, nothing we do or say in this lifetime will matter, as much as the way we have loved one another.
    - Daphne Rose Kingma.

  • @Ciupanezu1923
    @Ciupanezu1923 Год назад

    Downloaded a Orthodox Calendar to my phone and I was horrified. Valentine's Day on 14 Feb and Day of International Social Justice on 20 feb SHALL NOT be in our calendar. Deleted the app after 5 minutes.

  • @aprillee83
    @aprillee83 3 года назад +17

    Modern social justice turns coveting into a virtue.

  • @CA_Watchman
    @CA_Watchman 3 года назад

    Holy holy holy

  • @Roman-Pregolin
    @Roman-Pregolin 3 года назад +1

    This has been troubling me. First, Byzantine Tsar Romanos I saw that the Aristocracy was impoverishing the freeholding soldiery by extorting them of their land through debt in times of tough farming, and issued a couple of novels (Byzantine laws) to prevent this. A couple centuries later, the empire reached its peak under Basil II. Then the aristocracy found ways around the laws to extort and impoverish the common freeholder-soldiery, leading to a switch from the original military model to one more of less-effective hired mercenaries. Besides, the aristocrats' wealth increased at the expense of the state, which soon came face to face with 1204 (epic suffering and a temporary acceptance of the pope) and its eventual erasure. Events closely followed the declarations of Jeremiah and Ezekiel, be just unto the poor or suffer God's wrath in the form of rapacious foreign invasion and domination: Catholics and Turks instead of Babylonians and Persians.
    Second, I feel like it's too easy to twist this line into a reason not to be as openhearted as we could. Weird SJW crusades based on the latest ideological mutations descending from the American, French and Russian revolutions may be a leading pathology of the West, but finding excuses to cling to our wealth and not be as openhearted as we should be is the timeless pathology of the Christian. Am I really to say, here there is real suffering or systemic injustice that I could alleviate, but, Christ would hold back in his response lest the sufferers cling too much to this world and forget of the hereafter, and so should I. Plus I better only alleviate it while waving my Jesus flag in the sufferer's face just so they know, this wasn't just any old mercy and charity. It's not enough that Christ and I know that I did his work, the recipient must know (but what about Matthew 6:3-4?). This all sounds like something out of high Anglicanism to me: Another week of taking the eucharist and sleeping easy without following Acts 4:32-35. Sure, this is a fallen, imperfectible world, full of misguided zealots, hypocrites, heretics, the greedy, the tight-fisted and hard-hearted (In all of whom, I think, we must never forget first and foremost to try to see the potential for repentance) but I have a hard time seeing the Christian message being one of charity restrained.

    • @Roman-Pregolin
      @Roman-Pregolin 3 года назад +1

      and, as an aside, would the Arab conquests have been so easy had the official church had the charity of heart to sort out its differences with the Miaphysites (as we have since proven to be possible) and put up a united front, rather than rushing to label them as Monophysites (as indeed they labelled the Chalcedonians Nestorians)?

  • @Roman-Pregolin
    @Roman-Pregolin 3 года назад

    David Bentley Hart's introduction to his translation of the New Testament and Michael Hudson's book Forgive Them Their Debts are useful here

    • @01ombladon
      @01ombladon 3 года назад

      Please stay away from DBH, he's a marcionite and an origenist

    • @Roman-Pregolin
      @Roman-Pregolin 3 года назад +1

      @@01ombladon He denies being a Marcionite, such branding seems uncharitable. Like calling Miaphysites Monophysites

    • @Roman-Pregolin
      @Roman-Pregolin 3 года назад +2

      And Athanasius and the Cappadocian fathers were big fans of Origen, should I stay away from them too?

  • @Roman-Pregolin
    @Roman-Pregolin 3 года назад

    Though it is strange that he doesn't mention the effect of doing something about social ills on oneself. Matthew 7:19-24, Acts 4:32-35...

  • @theorthodoxkase2442
    @theorthodoxkase2442 3 года назад +14

    As an aside: social justice, in the common definition, is a ready platform for injustice, ironically.

  • @ahmedozturk2723
    @ahmedozturk2723 3 года назад +10

    I'm Muslim, and even though I disagree that Christ is God the Word, or in Orthodoxy, the only Christianity, & one could argue the original Christianity, that I respect is Orthodox Church.
    The rest of them seem to have submitted themselves to modernization, westernization, & liberalism. Christianity is not present there. But in Orthodoxy, I see the beauty & authenticity. I see the real Christianity, those who don't bend for anything, except God. Allah S.W.T spoke about in the Qur'an about these Monks & Christians, & that they're greatest affection & commonality to us. God Bless All.

    • @sandking588
      @sandking588 3 года назад +4

      You need to accept jesus as your savior and become apart of the church. You are going to hell. Islam is a false religion. Muhammad has condemned millions of souls to hell.

    • @rustybeltway2373
      @rustybeltway2373 3 года назад +13

      @@sandking588 2000 years of history and apologetics, and that's the best you can do? Turn Or Burn? Go read the life of St Herman, and take a sales & marketing class.

    • @westernriteorthodox8719
      @westernriteorthodox8719 3 года назад +8

      @@sandking588 Although you're correct, that he needs to turn his being unto the Holy Trinity, that the Holy Spirit can rest on him. Ultimately, the "turn or burn" you have given him does more harm, than good, brother. We're not evangelical streetpreachers. St. Damascus or Fr. Daniel Sysoev the Martyr didn't say "turn or burn", but refuted the false teaching, & showed them the way pleasing unto Christ, by his affection for them, & the life he lead.

    • @sandking588
      @sandking588 3 года назад

      @@rustybeltway2373 oh well

    • @sandking588
      @sandking588 3 года назад +1

      @@westernriteorthodox8719 I just stated facts. I'm not perfect or a holy man. But I guess u are.

  • @shawnhampton8503
    @shawnhampton8503 3 года назад +5

    It seems to me this is like anything else in the Christian Faith: a balancing act guided by the Holy Spirit. To go to either extreme in this is wrong. One one extreme: to place so much emphasis on "the soul" or "feeding people spiritually" while ignoring or even condoning injustice and human cruelty at one end: a sort of neo-Platonism that denies the God given worth of the human body AND soul and thus denying the Incarnation in a way. And the other extreme: a materialism and lack of recognition of the Infinite life of God for which we were made. It is not an "either/or" problem: loving and caring for each other and speaking out against injustice and evil of all types. But like most mysteries, we can often fail to hold the tension as one.

  • @ExVeritateLibertas
    @ExVeritateLibertas 3 года назад +13

    When a simple monk in West Virginia has more theology in his little finger than the so called bishop of Rome...

  • @jimhaygood3292
    @jimhaygood3292 3 года назад +1

    Suffer now cause there's pie in the sky.

  • @OrthoAutist
    @OrthoAutist 3 года назад +1

    An Excellent Reminder that we as Orthodox Christians truly are not of this world.

  • @user-tk4qd8dj1p
    @user-tk4qd8dj1p 3 года назад +2

    We aren't discussing people gaini g whole world and losing their souls though unless we are discussing the rich. This is about people who don't have human needs, living under human oppression, and you did invalidate their pain with a false equivilency that their aid is gaining the whole world. It shouldn't be hard to support equitable power systems as Christians, but you speant this time saying the afterlife matters more, than addressing the need for action in fighting and rejecting evil. Poor representation. Our role to be an example of God's love is fighting for oppressed, and you just bypassed everything needed to support justice and made a single undermining point we should help yet remember after life matters, as if opposing points only and they're not.

    • @shinysphinx8849
      @shinysphinx8849 2 года назад +1

      Exactly. These ppl don’t truly care. They seem to forget ppl have to live in this world for their life before dying. They’re no better than the evangelicals they claim are heretics

  • @robertnewell4054
    @robertnewell4054 3 года назад +6

    Orthodox Christianity isn’t necessarily the greatest example of Social Justice.

    • @fallenstudent1103
      @fallenstudent1103 3 года назад +11

      "Social Justice" isn't real. There is only God's justice.

    • @robertnewell4054
      @robertnewell4054 3 года назад +6

      @@fallenstudent1103 ..... your playing semantics in an attempt to sound “spiritual”. The Historicity of the Orthodox Church is without question.... as is Her failings to be a light, a City on a Hill. Too often the Orthodox have hidden their light underneath a bushel

    • @buedro143
      @buedro143 3 года назад +5

      @@robertnewell4054 Attempt to look inwardly at your own wickedness and shortcomings (which all in the flesh have) before casting them onto others.

    • @shinysphinx8849
      @shinysphinx8849 2 года назад

      @@buedro143 you must hate accountability