He’s the psych0path who never had much of a chance or even a desire to k!ll until he met lori. She is the narcissist, histrionic, and bipolar who will literally do anything for attention, adoration, and the perfect love (barf). Anything.
Yeah he decided to do all that killing himself and created an excuse to do it so he could accept it! Zombies was his way of fitting it to his beliefs so he could tell himself it had to be done because of those spiritual ideals, not so fake to him in his delusional books and cult teaching about end of the world and elevating himself to a fake character.
Actually all he has to do is repent and he will be in heaven. Christianity where Jeffery Dahmer is in heaven and Anne Frank is burning in hell for eternity
@@mrsrichter8586no, she couldn’t be trusted to take care of the kids. She didn’t even want JJ at this point. Insurance or not, as long as Lori was free, the kids were doomed.
It was 50/50. She was the Match, and He was the Gasoline. If you remove 1, the other can’t ‘really’ do anything- but Together…. Boom! 50/50. They were in it Together up to their Eyeballs.
Yes but there was lots of them listening to chad. Melanie B Melani Gibb Zulema lots of them. People were wife swapping because of what Chad was telling them about previous lives.
There's nothing to be puzzled about. She allowed it to happen to her children. They are both a 100% wrong. But I blame her, especially being the mother of these children.
I would be interested to hear in Chad’s trial if he had given his own children numbers and ratings. If his children find out they were on the list, it may change their minds about their father’s innocence.
@@greenman6141it could have been a Munchausen by proxy (which is the old term) where a parent fakes illnesses in their child because the my are excessive attention seeking
oh please- He was already running his publishing con rewriting the same book over and over and it only slightly disguised …using Church conferences to make his way onto stages as a speaker. He invented the light/dark scales and labeled people demons. He killed his wife. together they both just made each other’s egos flare bigger. He was not an innocent being led around by an evil monster woman and she was no innocent being dragged around by him as well. Two equally unbalanced people- bored with their lives and seriously insane because they drank their own koolaid somewhat as well even though the insurance scams made ut clear they thought they’d get away with their scheme. They were both bad characters before they met but afterwards Were serial killers. There are extra dead people around them whose deaths are clearly not accidental as well as the kids and his wife.
Charles Vallow emailed some interesting stuff to Lori. He told her straight up, repeatedly, that she was deep into apostasy, and she needed to stop and get right w God.
You know what, you're right. I was thinking SHE was the one who was "brainwashed", but Chad was her 4th or 5th husband, so SOMETHING wasn't cool with ol Lori. I felt so BAD for the husband before Chad because he TOLD the police he thought she was going to have him killed, and they didn't listen! And here we are.
They both are responsible and wanted their victims out of their new life. They were taking cues from each other. "Oh you don't like that person? I'm sensing something dark about them. They're a zombie." The really big question is how much did either one actually believe about Zombies and visions? Not enough info to know but my gut is Lori really believed his bs but he was a grifter/con man preying on gullible Mormons.
Feeding off each others delusional fantasies as both are nuts! I fully believe he is a vulnerable autistic Asperger’s adult with many clues! No emotions, large head, stare and no head or body movement, OCD behavior in court at desk, no affection with Lori, quietly following Lori in HI, more….
Yes, Keith, you nailed it!! He had never felt so enamored and she could make him do anything she wanted. She definitely manipulated him. Putty in her hands!!
Probably some kind of free speech argument could come up if they stop selling them. Since when you come down to it any faith-based book is based on opinion (what people believe in regardless of reason) rather than demonstrable fact they are all equally protected under free speech. If the PUBLISHER decides to withdraw them from distribution that's a whole 'nuther thing (anything from sales losing money to its becoming an embarrassment to said publisher).
I have watched probably every Dateline ever aired. Not just for Keith but as a quality of investigation that is the gold standard. Integrity to the nth degree. ❤
Two warped self centered delusional people met & the crazy train started rolling, they fed on each other’s delusions of grandeur, imo. Insane this whole case! May all their victims rip. Great analogy by Keith Morrison! Love you too Nate! Thank you! Gentlemen!
Actually during Chad's trial it definitely matters! Prior is trying to imply Chad was controlled by Melanie Gibbs & Lori Vallow Daybell! Golly gee, not Chad's fault they framed him by burying the children in his pet cemetery! Chad & Lori are equally manipulative & chose evil!
@@Jessica-wo6pxtrue but bc of the crazy zombie belief there is a legal argument for insanity bc at the time they didn't believe their victims where even human. I hope it doesn't fly bc the desire to kill was in their heart and always to their benefit. They sought a belief system that would justify murder.
How the flip does Chad expect anyone to believe him if he blames Alex for Tammy? 😳 How was Alex able to get anywhere near Tammy during that night?! I see nothing that's come out of Alex and Tammy knowing each other so why would Alex have been at her home to murder her unless he broke in? - broke in the house but no one heard or saw anything otherwise it would've been mentioned to the police that night. I can't see how he can blame Alex or anyone else & it be believable! I hope he gets the maximum punishment. I think they were both driving their own buses and collided. A match made in hell. RIP Tammy, Charles, Jj and Tylee. Joe Ryan too.
I find that an interesting perspective. They do say narcissists with love bomb and move the relationship quickly. They are more obsessed than in love. Then I think the person that they are obsessed over doesn’t live up to the expectation. It’s interesting that after all this time lori seems to be just as obsessed over Chad. I wonder after the trial if things will change.
Equally narcissistic. He led a group of crazy followers. She was a manipulator. His writings were crazy, their texts to each other were delusional. Vacationing after the children were murdered. Smh
@SheezaPI No one will ever know exactly what went on in the Cox family home. Some think Lori was SA by her father who suffered from Schizophrenia, perhaps Lori may have as well. Alex always seemed like an empty shell. Lots of people think Lori and Alex had an inappropriate relationship. They are a very damaged family for sure. Chad is as bad, a sinister predator IMO. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
She drove the bus, had no trouble throwing relatives under it, and welcomed Chad aboard to give her some new driving lessons….it basically went from a street racer to a dirt bike after Chad jumped on !!
@@maggieclendenin6740 don’t get me wrong he did what he did , no excuses. I mean, shaping him by getting him new clothes and making him look stylish with his new haircuts.
Exactly ! I’ve been saying this from the beginning and I would almost go so far as to say she is a victim ! Almost . But she has a lot of character flaws that contributed. Edit :you could say she plotted the murder of Charles pretty much on her own , or did she ? Chad was the one marking everyone as zombies who should die.
@@DittonWilsonexactly she wanted to kill her husband so he gave her something to justify it. They wanted to honeymoon and ditch the kids so he told her they were zombies prob after some typical autistic or teenage outburst when she was mad at them. We may never know how much of the zombie and Angel stuff each one actually believed. Loris behavior suggests she still believes unless it's a defense strategy to claim insanity. She could just be unwilling to admit she was wrong and not chosen by God like all Narcs. That would mean she murdered her kids and not "zombies".
@@DittonWilsonLori talked about killing Joe Ryan. She has homicidal tendencies. Chad gave her a reason and justification to kill everyone who stood in their way.
I believe Chad and Lori together talked Alex into doing the deed on all 3 in order to protect Lori & Chad from the zombies. Alex seemed like he'd do anything for Lori.
@@sheheri5828 100% they talked Alex into the kids. We know he’s capable- Charles. I’m on the fence with Tammy , I believe it was Chad. Curious what evidence Chad’s trial will bring forward.
Keith is the man, his voice, cadence, the storytelling, the voice I listen to go to bed to most nights after watching courtroom insider ❤ love your work Nate, and your collaborations so happy to see the big names contributing to your already great work.
In my opinion I think they both actually believe the ideals they spew from their mouths, they are both twisted in their realities and both equally as manipulative as each other. Narcissistic abusers use manipulative vindictive controlling tactics to get what they want from others in the relationship especially when it comes to things going their own way. It’s very selfish. Guilt, fear of missing out, shame, and emotional manipulations are the key factors these characters both used with each other and neither of them could read the red flags 🚩
Excellent reporting Nate! Nate and Lauren from Hidden true Crime. What a community! Nate does incredible coverage and I absolutely love him. ❤️ Listen to Lauren reading their texts. You REALLY get an understanding of what these two were thinking. What was truly going on in their minds. It's eye opening.
I completely understand your thoughts and question, but at this point, none of that matters, all that matters is the fact that there are 6 people that have lost their lives and one that almost lost his life, all that was associated with Lori and Chad. These two empowered each other and eliminated the people that stood in their way.
They were both driving the bus. It doesn’t matter if she was manipulative, or if he was putty in her hands, they are both adults, and they are both responsible for what happened to those children.
I think Lori had the energy and intensity that Chad did not, but I believe she really was all-in with whatever Chad was telling her. She definitely seems to believe the stuff more than he does. She trusted him and put their relationship above everything else. She wouldn't even let her defense talk bad about him.
The blame goes to both nearly equally. If you want one of them to receive a 3% reduction in sentencing because they were only 47% to blame, something is wrong with you
They were both.. 50/50. He's just as evil as she is. She just flaunts her madness more.
Exactly
Yes! And they both manipulated each other.
He’s the psych0path who never had much of a chance or even a desire to k!ll until he met lori. She is the narcissist, histrionic, and bipolar who will literally do anything for attention, adoration, and the perfect love (barf). Anything.
Folie à deux
@@millie210 jebb! what a pair.
I agree! Lori was killing people before Chad. But that doesn’t excuse him from going to Hell for killing his wife and the 2 Children!!
Also, she changed the way he dressed, wore his clothes etc. But he enjoyed how she convinced him he was powerful.
Yeah he decided to do all that killing himself and created an excuse to do it so he could accept it! Zombies was his way of fitting it to his beliefs so he could tell himself it had to be done because of those spiritual ideals, not so fake to him in his delusional books and cult teaching about end of the world and elevating himself to a fake character.
Actually all he has to do is repent and he will be in heaven. Christianity where Jeffery Dahmer is in heaven and Anne Frank is burning in hell for eternity
He knew what he was doing when he drunk the koolaid
That's my view
Thank God Charles changed the insurance policy
Don’t you know she was spitting fire when she found that out?
@@SheezaPI
She was a day late and a dollar short
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ever wondered if the kids might still be alive if the policy wasn't changed? Or changed to a caretaker policy for the kids to keep them safe?
@@mrsrichter8586no, she couldn’t be trusted to take care of the kids. She didn’t even want JJ at this point. Insurance or not, as long as Lori was free, the kids were doomed.
It was 50/50. She was the Match, and He was the Gasoline. If you remove 1, the other can’t ‘really’ do anything- but Together…. Boom! 50/50. They were in it Together up to their Eyeballs.
Exactly. Nitro and glycerine.
Yes but there was lots of them listening to chad. Melanie B Melani Gibb Zulema lots of them. People were wife swapping because of what Chad was telling them about previous lives.
I refer to them as The Molotov Cocktail
Totally agree with Keith’s perspective
Right? He’s dead on accurate
Why are his books still still available?
@beckysue7789 not supporting Chad at all, but he has not been convicted yet and I'm not sure but actually no reason they can't be sold.
Both are equally evil!
There's nothing to be puzzled about. She allowed it to happen to her children. They are both a 100% wrong. But I blame her, especially being the mother of these children.
I just can't fathom how parents can kill their own kids! As a mother its crazy to me! Both Chad and Lori were crazy! This was a good interview
I would be interested to hear in Chad’s trial if he had given his own children numbers and ratings. If his children find out they were on the list, it may change their minds about their father’s innocence.
OMG unbelivable..
It is thought that Lori had been poisoning Tylee for years as well. She had a history of people "becoming ill" around her.
@@greenman6141it could have been a Munchausen by proxy (which is the old term) where a parent fakes illnesses in their child because the my are excessive attention seeking
@@greenman6141 that's crazy!
Keith's thoughtful ways of saying things impress me ❤
He’s the GOAT
@@jackselle4607 Was Matthew Perry's step-dad RIP
@@beentheredonethat3624 oh I know 🩵
Agree with Keith!!!
Come on man... she's been married 5 times! OBVIOUSLY she was the manipulator!
EXACTLY..EXACTLY
You’re allowed to manipulate
Not allowed to murder
This is really it and he’s kind of goofy so he probably thought wow … she actually loves me… let me kill for her
oh please- He was already running his publishing con rewriting the same book over and over and it only slightly disguised …using Church conferences to make his way onto stages as a speaker. He invented the light/dark scales and labeled people demons. He killed his wife. together they both just made each other’s egos flare bigger.
He was not an innocent being led around by an evil monster woman and she was no innocent being dragged around by him as well. Two equally unbalanced people- bored with their lives and seriously insane because they drank their own koolaid somewhat as well even though the insurance scams made ut clear they thought they’d get away with their scheme. They were both bad characters before they met but afterwards Were serial killers. There are extra dead people around them whose deaths are clearly not accidental as well as the kids and his wife.
He gave up a beautiful loving wife for a
4x divorcee skank
Keith is describing them both to perfection. Thanks Nate for all your hard work.
Charles Vallow emailed some interesting stuff to Lori. He told her straight up, repeatedly, that she was deep into apostasy, and she needed to stop and get right w God.
Her husband Charles?
Thank you ! I forgot about this!
seems to me it was a collision of 2 toxic narcissists
They were both manipulating each other. 💯 percent
I agree, but don't forget how delusional they both were. Delusions of GRANDURE 100%!
But EVERYONE is a narcissist. Isn't that scary?
You know what, you're right. I was thinking SHE was the one who was "brainwashed", but Chad was her 4th or 5th husband, so SOMETHING wasn't cool with ol Lori. I felt so BAD for the husband before Chad because he TOLD the police he thought she was going to have him killed, and they didn't listen! And here we are.
They both are responsible and wanted their victims out of their new life. They were taking cues from each other. "Oh you don't like that person? I'm sensing something dark about them. They're a zombie." The really big question is how much did either one actually believe about Zombies and visions? Not enough info to know but my gut is Lori really believed his bs but he was a grifter/con man preying on gullible Mormons.
His kids all survived though. Would that be if she was calling shots? His kids even all had good ratings.
They were both equal, he thought he was a prophet and she was the goddess.
Feeding off each others delusional fantasies as both are nuts! I fully believe he is a vulnerable autistic Asperger’s adult with many clues! No emotions, large head, stare and no head or body movement, OCD behavior in court at desk, no affection with Lori, quietly following Lori in HI, more….
I think Chad had affairs before, he perfected his con way before Lori.
I love how eloquent Keith Morrison is. ❤
If you read their texts, it's obvious that both were full in. Neither deserves any mitigation because they were supposedly "led" by the other.
10000 percent agree!
She was driving the bus, she just found a super fuel in Chad.
Yes, Keith, you nailed it!! He had never felt so enamored and she could make him do anything she wanted. She definitely manipulated him. Putty in her hands!!
They both need to spend the rest of their lives in jail!
Chad will blame Lori for everything
Claim she was the mastermind..
Lori has always had personality issues. She just happened to get with another equally effed up person, and the combination was deadly.
It doesn't matter who was supposedly in charge. All that matters is that two psychopaths crossed paths and that was that.
Keith Morrison hits the proverbial nail on the head. He's right on!
One of the things that blows my mind is the fact that Amazon is still selling Chad's books! WTF????
Probably some kind of free speech argument could come up if they stop selling them. Since when you come down to it any faith-based book is based on opinion (what people believe in regardless of reason) rather than demonstrable fact they are all equally protected under free speech. If the PUBLISHER decides to withdraw them from distribution that's a whole 'nuther thing (anything from sales losing money to its becoming an embarrassment to said publisher).
Amazon sells almost anything
I bet sales have really picked up now.
I bet the money will go to the victims.
@@SheezaPI unless it's a famous TV profiler's book on the McCanns' lost kid
I have watched probably every Dateline ever aired. Not just for Keith but as a quality of investigation that is the gold standard. Integrity to the nth degree. ❤
This has brought down nations since time began…
Two warped self centered delusional people met & the crazy train started rolling, they fed on each other’s delusions of grandeur, imo. Insane this whole case! May all their victims rip. Great analogy by Keith Morrison! Love you too Nate! Thank you! Gentlemen!
🎯
Does it really matter who was driving the bus???? They were in it together
Exactly.
They took turns driving!,
Agree that it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Four people are dead because three others decided to commit murder to accomplish their goals.😥💔
Actually during Chad's trial it definitely matters! Prior is trying to imply Chad was controlled by Melanie Gibbs & Lori Vallow Daybell! Golly gee, not Chad's fault they framed him by burying the children in his pet cemetery! Chad & Lori are equally manipulative & chose evil!
@@Jessica-wo6pxtrue but bc of the crazy zombie belief there is a legal argument for insanity bc at the time they didn't believe their victims where even human. I hope it doesn't fly bc the desire to kill was in their heart and always to their benefit. They sought a belief system that would justify murder.
Both together were lethal toxic and deadly
How the flip does Chad expect anyone to believe him if he blames Alex for Tammy? 😳
How was Alex able to get anywhere near Tammy during that night?! I see nothing that's come out of Alex and Tammy knowing each other so why would Alex have been at her home to murder her unless he broke in? - broke in the house but no one heard or saw anything otherwise it would've been mentioned to the police that night. I can't see how he can blame Alex or anyone else & it be believable! I hope he gets the maximum punishment.
I think they were both driving their own buses and collided.
A match made in hell.
RIP Tammy, Charles, Jj and Tylee. Joe Ryan too.
He’s not blaming anybody. They’re trying to get everyone to believe she died of natural causes.
I find that an interesting perspective. They do say narcissists with love bomb and move the relationship quickly. They are more obsessed than in love. Then I think the person that they are obsessed over doesn’t live up to the expectation. It’s interesting that after all this time lori seems to be just as obsessed over Chad. I wonder after the trial if things will change.
I think they were taking turns steering the wheel.
Equally narcissistic. He led a group of crazy followers. She was a manipulator. His writings were crazy, their texts to each other were delusional. Vacationing after the children were murdered. Smh
I love ur channel nate 💓 always Laura
He became patty in her hands 😅😅. I love Keith's voice
Do you mean putty?
I’m always interested in Keith Morrison’s well thought queries. He is a professional journalist with integrity. 💯
Considering the fate her prior husbands suffered, I think we all know who drove that bus.
I think the two of them worked with each other's egos perfectly.
Rarely 2 small psychopaths meet and make 1 big one.
Three, Alex also. He had no moral compass and did everything Lori asked of him. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
@@eleanorryan2750 agree 100%
@@eleanorryan2750Alex had been groomed by Lori all his life.
@SheezaPI No one will ever know exactly what went on in the Cox family home. Some think Lori was SA by her father who suffered from Schizophrenia, perhaps Lori may have as well. Alex always seemed like an empty shell. Lots of people think Lori and Alex had an inappropriate relationship. They are a very damaged family for sure. Chad is as bad, a sinister predator IMO. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
@@eleanorryan2750 You are right. I feel that pretty much sums it up. A big Texas hello to you too.
Keith got me googleing words. "Laconic- using very few words"
They’re both responsible for gassing up AND driving.
She drove the bus, had no trouble throwing relatives under it, and welcomed Chad aboard to give her some new driving lessons….it basically went from a street racer to a dirt bike after Chad jumped on !!
Lori was totally driving the bus!!🤬🤬
Love Keith Morrison’s vocabulary!
He wrote all those crime novels. He was just as crazy as she was. Both fed off each other
Both of them, a match made in hell
Excellent observations Keith. Puddy in her hands. Lori was shaping him
Please.
@@maggieclendenin6740 don’t get me wrong he did what he did , no excuses. I mean, shaping him by getting him new clothes and making him look stylish with his new haircuts.
@@HeardItThruTheTapedLineThey were a match made in hell
@@SheezaPI right!!!
Chad was The Charles Manson to Lori Vallow - Daybell’s Groupie follower. A dangerous combination, imo.
Exactly ! I’ve been saying this from the beginning and I would almost go so far as to say she is a victim ! Almost . But she has a lot of character flaws that contributed. Edit :you could say she plotted the murder of Charles pretty much on her own , or did she ? Chad was the one marking everyone as zombies who should die.
👍 He drove, she occasionally steered, & shoved her foot on his on the gas! I will leave their storms out of it!😂😂
@@DittonWilsonexactly she wanted to kill her husband so he gave her something to justify it. They wanted to honeymoon and ditch the kids so he told her they were zombies prob after some typical autistic or teenage outburst when she was mad at them. We may never know how much of the zombie and Angel stuff each one actually believed. Loris behavior suggests she still believes unless it's a defense strategy to claim insanity. She could just be unwilling to admit she was wrong and not chosen by God like all Narcs. That would mean she murdered her kids and not "zombies".
@@DittonWilsonLori talked about killing Joe Ryan. She has homicidal tendencies. Chad gave her a reason and justification to kill everyone who stood in their way.
Million dollar question…
Who killed Tammy? We know Lori was outta state when it happened so that leaves Chad or Alex.
I believe Chad and Lori together talked Alex into doing the deed on all 3 in order to protect Lori & Chad from the zombies. Alex seemed like he'd do anything for Lori.
@@sheheri5828 100% they talked Alex into the kids. We know he’s capable- Charles.
I’m on the fence with Tammy , I believe it was Chad. Curious what evidence Chad’s trial will bring forward.
My guess is Chad. His story, of how he found her dead, doesn't ring true.
I think they both did. I think one held her down and the other suffocated her.
My fav journalist and interviewer truly the best!!!!
Keith is the man, his voice, cadence, the storytelling, the voice I listen to go to bed to most nights after watching courtroom insider ❤ love your work Nate, and your collaborations so happy to see the big names contributing to your already great work.
Been following Nate since he went to Hawaii to them. Love the commentary from Keith. I'm a grandma from Pennsylvania, never miss a day of testimony.
They are the same.
In my opinion I think they both actually believe the ideals they spew from their mouths, they are both twisted in their realities and both equally as manipulative as each other. Narcissistic abusers use manipulative vindictive controlling tactics to get what they want from others in the relationship especially when it comes to things going their own way. It’s very selfish. Guilt, fear of missing out, shame, and emotional manipulations are the key factors these characters both used with each other and neither of them could read the red flags 🚩
Excellent reporting Nate!
Nate and Lauren from Hidden true Crime. What a community! Nate does incredible coverage and I absolutely love him. ❤️
Listen to Lauren reading their texts. You REALLY get an understanding of what these two were thinking. What was truly going on in their minds. It's eye opening.
I've only seen court TV story so I need to read up on it more ❤
Was like ⛽️ + 🔥 = 💥
I completely understand your thoughts and question, but at this point, none of that matters, all that matters is the fact that there are 6 people that have lost their lives and one that almost lost his life, all that was associated with Lori and Chad. These two empowered each other and eliminated the people that stood in their way.
Keith Morrison you are so cool. my favorite person of all time!! I could listen to your stories day and night. Your smart and smooth.
He knew exactly what he was doing. They are both equally guilty.
I call them Jezebel and Ahab. But in this case, Lori was a little more gullible, and Chad was more conniving.
Great analysis Keith! That makes complete sense.
It was the Jezebel!!
LOVE Keith!!!!!!!! ♥️ Nate's awesome too! I saw your shout out in court!!!!!! 😂❤
Love ur videos Nate. Keep up the great job. U r the best !!!!!! Thank ur family for sharing u with us. ❤😊
Instead of treating her like a queen and loving her, the idiots took it to the next level.
🤦🤦😭😭
Keith nailed this assessment!
I wonder what it'd been if the slug had a young child. I hope Zulema makes an appearance
Love me some Keith Morrison. Love his reporting!
Such wisdom from the very best🤍
Chad never killed anyone that we know of before Lori came along…
Lori is something else. I think they both had to be there, and yet Lori was driving the bus? Will we ever know? Both are users.
They were both driving the bus. It doesn’t matter if she was manipulative, or if he was putty in her hands, they are both adults, and they are both responsible for what happened to those children.
They manipulated one another into doing heinous things.
Agreed 👍🏽
They fed off eachother.
To me it was pretty much equal
Equally messed up in the head
Right? It was a perfect storm!
They fed off of each other.
They fed off each other
They both were equally manipulative, a storm brewing.
Keith and his family are in my prayers.
Well said… as usual!
When diabolical evil met stupid willing.
This is great information about Lori, and helps to explain part of why things between them became so extreme.
I think Lori had the energy and intensity that Chad did not, but I believe she really was all-in with whatever Chad was telling her. She definitely seems to believe the stuff more than he does. She trusted him and put their relationship above everything else. She wouldn't even let her defense talk bad about him.
Two hands on the steering wheel of that bus.
They were taking turns driving the bus, but Lori set the destination. Her greed and murderous ways preceded her relationship with Chad.
They equally and stupidly manipulated each other!!
It's nice to finally hear Bill Hader's input on the matter.
Lori was driving the bus. She had already killed another husband before she met Chad and I'm not talking about Charles.
Ditto
The phone calls seem to show that Chad controls her... She believes, he deceives...
I really appreciate the vocabulary!
I love Keith Morrison's voice!
It was Lori.
She was driving the bus!
The blame goes to both nearly equally. If you want one of them to receive a 3% reduction in sentencing because they were only 47% to blame, something is wrong with you
It was equally both of them that brought evil to the world
Chad wanted a bit of candy 🍭 in his boring Mormon life and was too stupid to realize Lori was a barracuda only worthy of a hit it and quit it