@@mrsrichter8586no, she couldn’t be trusted to take care of the kids. She didn’t even want JJ at this point. Insurance or not, as long as Lori was free, the kids were doomed.
He’s the psych0path who never had much of a chance or even a desire to k!ll until he met lori. She is the narcissist, histrionic, and bipolar who will literally do anything for attention, adoration, and the perfect love (barf). Anything.
Yeah he decided to do all that killing himself and created an excuse to do it so he could accept it! Zombies was his way of fitting it to his beliefs so he could tell himself it had to be done because of those spiritual ideals, not so fake to him in his delusional books and cult teaching about end of the world and elevating himself to a fake character.
Actually all he has to do is repent and he will be in heaven. Christianity where Jeffery Dahmer is in heaven and Anne Frank is burning in hell for eternity
After hearing her sister died under unusual circumstances as a late teenager, I think Lori felt invincible since then. It’s quite the list of people that have died in her circle.
@@inthesun3884her sister was mentally ill, and lived with their parents. Alex went to ‘check up’ on the sister, and conveniently till along his cousin Meghan. Meghan was not present in the room when Alex looked in on his sister, and then she was dead. He called his parents, who were in Hawaii on vacation, with other family members, I might add, to notify them, and NOT ONE of those people jumped on a plane to come home immediately. Not a single family member. Fast forward to Lori manipulating the courts in some claim against her the-husband Joe Ryan. She has Tylee and Alex with her (Don’t know if Colby was with them too), and in front of their daughter, Alex tases Joe. Great mother my ass.
It was 50/50. She was the Match, and He was the Gasoline. If you remove 1, the other can’t ‘really’ do anything- but Together…. Boom! 50/50. They were in it Together up to their Eyeballs.
Listening to the trial and his raccoon story on the day Tylee died, we know he was there, he was involved and he absolutely did it! I wonder if they took the kids to Yellowstone to kill them there and then brought them back to bury them. That’s why there’s no blood evidence anywhere the police could find. Killed them out in the wilderness somewhere no one could hear or see.
Yes but there was lots of them listening to chad. Melanie B Melani Gibb Zulema lots of them. People were wife swapping because of what Chad was telling them about previous lives.
Keith Morrison and Nancy Grace Nate your BIG TIME! You deserve it! This is my go to channel for Daybell news Always has been , always will be! Thanks for all the hard work and dedication
I would be interested to hear in Chad’s trial if he had given his own children numbers and ratings. If his children find out they were on the list, it may change their minds about their father’s innocence.
@@greenman6141it could have been a Munchausen by proxy (which is the old term) where a parent fakes illnesses in their child because the my are excessive attention seeking
Lori’s manipulative greed and ego were directing the bus. Chad’s male insecurity and equipment below his belt were driving the bus. They were both on it though!
There's nothing to be puzzled about. She allowed it to happen to her children. They are both a 100% wrong. But I blame her, especially being the mother of these children.
oh please- He was already running his publishing con rewriting the same book over and over and it only slightly disguised …using Church conferences to make his way onto stages as a speaker. He invented the light/dark scales and labeled people demons. He killed his wife. together they both just made each other’s egos flare bigger. He was not an innocent being led around by an evil monster woman and she was no innocent being dragged around by him as well. Two equally unbalanced people- bored with their lives and seriously insane because they drank their own koolaid somewhat as well even though the insurance scams made ut clear they thought they’d get away with their scheme. They were both bad characters before they met but afterwards Were serial killers. There are extra dead people around them whose deaths are clearly not accidental as well as the kids and his wife.
Charles Vallow emailed some interesting stuff to Lori. He told her straight up, repeatedly, that she was deep into apostasy, and she needed to stop and get right w God.
Feeding off each others delusional fantasies as both are nuts! I fully believe he is a vulnerable autistic Asperger’s adult with many clues! No emotions, large head, stare and no head or body movement, OCD behavior in court at desk, no affection with Lori, quietly following Lori in HI, more….
Exactly ! I’ve been saying this from the beginning and I would almost go so far as to say she is a victim ! Almost . But she has a lot of character flaws that contributed. Edit :you could say she plotted the murder of Charles pretty much on her own , or did she ? Chad was the one marking everyone as zombies who should die.
@@DittonWilsonexactly she wanted to kill her husband so he gave her something to justify it. They wanted to honeymoon and ditch the kids so he told her they were zombies prob after some typical autistic or teenage outburst when she was mad at them. We may never know how much of the zombie and Angel stuff each one actually believed. Loris behavior suggests she still believes unless it's a defense strategy to claim insanity. She could just be unwilling to admit she was wrong and not chosen by God like all Narcs. That would mean she murdered her kids and not "zombies".
@@DittonWilsonLori talked about killing Joe Ryan. She has homicidal tendencies. Chad gave her a reason and justification to kill everyone who stood in their way.
You know what, you're right. I was thinking SHE was the one who was "brainwashed", but Chad was her 4th or 5th husband, so SOMETHING wasn't cool with ol Lori. I felt so BAD for the husband before Chad because he TOLD the police he thought she was going to have him killed, and they didn't listen! And here we are.
They both are responsible and wanted their victims out of their new life. They were taking cues from each other. "Oh you don't like that person? I'm sensing something dark about them. They're a zombie." The really big question is how much did either one actually believe about Zombies and visions? Not enough info to know but my gut is Lori really believed his bs but he was a grifter/con man preying on gullible Mormons.
Thank you Nate for sharing your fascinating background getting to know Keith Morrison. It is equally fascinating to hear Mr. Morrison’s take on the whole Lori/Chad saga. May justice come!
Actually during Chad's trial it definitely matters! Prior is trying to imply Chad was controlled by Melanie Gibbs & Lori Vallow Daybell! Golly gee, not Chad's fault they framed him by burying the children in his pet cemetery! Chad & Lori are equally manipulative & chose evil!
@@Jessica-wo6pxtrue but bc of the crazy zombie belief there is a legal argument for insanity bc at the time they didn't believe their victims where even human. I hope it doesn't fly bc the desire to kill was in their heart and always to their benefit. They sought a belief system that would justify murder.
How the flip does Chad expect anyone to believe him if he blames Alex for Tammy? 😳 How was Alex able to get anywhere near Tammy during that night?! I see nothing that's come out of Alex and Tammy knowing each other so why would Alex have been at her home to murder her unless he broke in? - broke in the house but no one heard or saw anything otherwise it would've been mentioned to the police that night. I can't see how he can blame Alex or anyone else & it be believable! I hope he gets the maximum punishment. I think they were both driving their own buses and collided. A match made in hell. RIP Tammy, Charles, Jj and Tylee. Joe Ryan too.
Probably some kind of free speech argument could come up if they stop selling them. Since when you come down to it any faith-based book is based on opinion (what people believe in regardless of reason) rather than demonstrable fact they are all equally protected under free speech. If the PUBLISHER decides to withdraw them from distribution that's a whole 'nuther thing (anything from sales losing money to its becoming an embarrassment to said publisher).
Yes, Keith, you nailed it!! He had never felt so enamored and she could make him do anything she wanted. She definitely manipulated him. Putty in her hands!!
Chad was already telling women like Julie Rowe that Tammy was destined to die young. He was already planning to kill her even if just with his mind powers.
@SheezaPI No one will ever know exactly what went on in the Cox family home. Some think Lori was SA by her father who suffered from Schizophrenia, perhaps Lori may have as well. Alex always seemed like an empty shell. Lots of people think Lori and Alex had an inappropriate relationship. They are a very damaged family for sure. Chad is as bad, a sinister predator IMO. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
I have watched probably every Dateline ever aired. Not just for Keith but as a quality of investigation that is the gold standard. Integrity to the nth degree. ❤
That’s what John Pryor wants you to think. But Chad is the one who designed the zombie list. He had been going around trying to charm women with his pendulum tricks before Lori came along. He is equally manipulative and equally guilty. Imo
I believe Chad and Lori together talked Alex into doing the deed on all 3 in order to protect Lori & Chad from the zombies. Alex seemed like he'd do anything for Lori.
@@sheheri5828 100% they talked Alex into the kids. We know he’s capable- Charles. I’m on the fence with Tammy , I believe it was Chad. Curious what evidence Chad’s trial will bring forward.
I find that an interesting perspective. They do say narcissists with love bomb and move the relationship quickly. They are more obsessed than in love. Then I think the person that they are obsessed over doesn’t live up to the expectation. It’s interesting that after all this time lori seems to be just as obsessed over Chad. I wonder after the trial if things will change.
Both. I wish Keith would interview top LDS church leaders to ask them how Chad Daybell and Jodi Hildebrand got away with writing the books they did and their seminars they gave.
@@maggieclendenin6740 don’t get me wrong he did what he did , no excuses. I mean, shaping him by getting him new clothes and making him look stylish with his new haircuts.
Equally narcissistic. He led a group of crazy followers. She was a manipulator. His writings were crazy, their texts to each other were delusional. Vacationing after the children were murdered. Smh
Two warped self centered delusional people met & the crazy train started rolling, they fed on each other’s delusions of grandeur, imo. Insane this whole case! May all their victims rip. Great analogy by Keith Morrison! Love you too Nate! Thank you! Gentlemen!
She drove the bus, had no trouble throwing relatives under it, and welcomed Chad aboard to give her some new driving lessons….it basically went from a street racer to a dirt bike after Chad jumped on !!
As Melanie in interview with Nate illustraited: Chad was the hand and Lori the puppet. Creepy, powerful, charismatic, dumed, intense, dark ... What a story!
Keith is the man, his voice, cadence, the storytelling, the voice I listen to go to bed to most nights after watching courtroom insider ❤ love your work Nate, and your collaborations so happy to see the big names contributing to your already great work.
In my opinion I think they both actually believe the ideals they spew from their mouths, they are both twisted in their realities and both equally as manipulative as each other. Narcissistic abusers use manipulative vindictive controlling tactics to get what they want from others in the relationship especially when it comes to things going their own way. It’s very selfish. Guilt, fear of missing out, shame, and emotional manipulations are the key factors these characters both used with each other and neither of them could read the red flags 🚩
Excellent reporting Nate! Nate and Lauren from Hidden true Crime. What a community! Nate does incredible coverage and I absolutely love him. ❤️ Listen to Lauren reading their texts. You REALLY get an understanding of what these two were thinking. What was truly going on in their minds. It's eye opening.
I completely understand your thoughts and question, but at this point, none of that matters, all that matters is the fact that there are 6 people that have lost their lives and one that almost lost his life, all that was associated with Lori and Chad. These two empowered each other and eliminated the people that stood in their way.
It was Lori!! Chad was like a dog on a leash!! If Chad never met Lori he would of probably kept living his weird life, and probably never murder. If Lori never met Chad, Charles would still be dead and probably her kids to!
Two narcissists meet up and hatch a plan to be together and achieve financial freedom by collecting lots and lots of money through murder.
As an avid True Crime studier in washer I can see that you've got this you get it
You totally nailed it.
Exactly. It has zero to do with cultist religion and zombies and everything to do with greed
Boom! 100%
You said it sew perfect ! EXACTLY RIGHT!!
Thank God Charles changed the insurance policy
Don’t you know she was spitting fire when she found that out?
@@SheezaPI
She was a day late and a dollar short
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ever wondered if the kids might still be alive if the policy wasn't changed? Or changed to a caretaker policy for the kids to keep them safe?
@@mrsrichter8586no, she couldn’t be trusted to take care of the kids. She didn’t even want JJ at this point. Insurance or not, as long as Lori was free, the kids were doomed.
They were both.. 50/50. He's just as evil as she is. She just flaunts her madness more.
Exactly
Yes! And they both manipulated each other.
He’s the psych0path who never had much of a chance or even a desire to k!ll until he met lori. She is the narcissist, histrionic, and bipolar who will literally do anything for attention, adoration, and the perfect love (barf). Anything.
Folie à deux
@@millie210 jebb! what a pair.
I agree! Lori was killing people before Chad. But that doesn’t excuse him from going to Hell for killing his wife and the 2 Children!!
Also, she changed the way he dressed, wore his clothes etc. But he enjoyed how she convinced him he was powerful.
Yeah he decided to do all that killing himself and created an excuse to do it so he could accept it! Zombies was his way of fitting it to his beliefs so he could tell himself it had to be done because of those spiritual ideals, not so fake to him in his delusional books and cult teaching about end of the world and elevating himself to a fake character.
Actually all he has to do is repent and he will be in heaven. Christianity where Jeffery Dahmer is in heaven and Anne Frank is burning in hell for eternity
He knew what he was doing when he drunk the koolaid
That's my view
After hearing her sister died under unusual circumstances as a late teenager, I think Lori felt invincible since then. It’s quite the list of people that have died in her circle.
Wow, I didn't know that. I honestly wondered who else in her family was mysteriously dead. I was actually surprised her parents were still alive.
@@inthesun3884her sister was mentally ill, and lived with their parents. Alex went to ‘check up’ on the sister, and conveniently till along his cousin Meghan. Meghan was not present in the room when Alex looked in on his sister, and then she was dead. He called his parents, who were in Hawaii on vacation, with other family members, I might add, to notify them, and NOT ONE of those people jumped on a plane to come home immediately. Not a single family member. Fast forward to Lori manipulating the courts in some claim against her the-husband Joe Ryan. She has Tylee and Alex with her (Don’t know if Colby was with them too), and in front of their daughter, Alex tases Joe. Great mother my ass.
@@colleenuchiyama4916 She's a scary one. I hope she stays in jail for the rest of her life.
Who is Colby's biological father ??
William Lagioia, but he was not in Colby's life. I bet that man thanks his lucky stars every day.
It was 50/50. She was the Match, and He was the Gasoline. If you remove 1, the other can’t ‘really’ do anything- but Together…. Boom! 50/50. They were in it Together up to their Eyeballs.
Listening to the trial and his raccoon story on the day Tylee died, we know he was there, he was involved and he absolutely did it! I wonder if they took the kids to Yellowstone to kill them there and then brought them back to bury them. That’s why there’s no blood evidence anywhere the police could find. Killed them out in the wilderness somewhere no one could hear or see.
Exactly. Nitro and glycerine.
Yes but there was lots of them listening to chad. Melanie B Melani Gibb Zulema lots of them. People were wife swapping because of what Chad was telling them about previous lives.
I refer to them as The Molotov Cocktail
Keith Morrison and Nancy Grace
Nate your BIG TIME! You deserve it!
This is my go to channel for Daybell news
Always has been , always will be!
Thanks for all the hard work and dedication
You can do less Nancy.
@@_Nat_A_I would watch a discussion with Keith Morrison any place any time. But Nancy Grace can get slapped with a fish.
I agree 💯%
Agree
People like Chad go to h3ll regardless of their actions because their minds are already there- craving h3llish things.
Totally agree with Keith’s perspective
Right? He’s dead on accurate
Why are his books still still available?
@beckysue7789 not supporting Chad at all, but he has not been convicted yet and I'm not sure but actually no reason they can't be sold.
Both are equally evil!
seems to me it was a collision of 2 toxic narcissists
They were both manipulating each other. 💯 percent
I agree, but don't forget how delusional they both were. Delusions of GRANDURE 100%!
But EVERYONE is a narcissist. Isn't that scary?
His voice is iconic!
Him and Bill Kurtis. He’s my all time fav
I could listen to it for hours. It’s soothing!
I just can't fathom how parents can kill their own kids! As a mother its crazy to me! Both Chad and Lori were crazy! This was a good interview
I would be interested to hear in Chad’s trial if he had given his own children numbers and ratings. If his children find out they were on the list, it may change their minds about their father’s innocence.
OMG unbelivable..
It is thought that Lori had been poisoning Tylee for years as well. She had a history of people "becoming ill" around her.
@@greenman6141it could have been a Munchausen by proxy (which is the old term) where a parent fakes illnesses in their child because the my are excessive attention seeking
@@greenman6141 that's crazy!
Lori’s manipulative greed and ego were directing the bus. Chad’s male insecurity and equipment below his belt were driving the bus. They were both on it though!
Keith's thoughtful ways of saying things impress me ❤
He’s the GOAT
@@jackselle4607 Was Matthew Perry's step-dad RIP
@@beentheredonethat3624 oh I know 🩵
There's nothing to be puzzled about. She allowed it to happen to her children. They are both a 100% wrong. But I blame her, especially being the mother of these children.
Come on man... she's been married 5 times! OBVIOUSLY she was the manipulator!
EXACTLY..EXACTLY
You’re allowed to manipulate
Not allowed to murder
This is really it and he’s kind of goofy so he probably thought wow … she actually loves me… let me kill for her
oh please- He was already running his publishing con rewriting the same book over and over and it only slightly disguised …using Church conferences to make his way onto stages as a speaker. He invented the light/dark scales and labeled people demons. He killed his wife. together they both just made each other’s egos flare bigger.
He was not an innocent being led around by an evil monster woman and she was no innocent being dragged around by him as well. Two equally unbalanced people- bored with their lives and seriously insane because they drank their own koolaid somewhat as well even though the insurance scams made ut clear they thought they’d get away with their scheme. They were both bad characters before they met but afterwards Were serial killers. There are extra dead people around them whose deaths are clearly not accidental as well as the kids and his wife.
He gave up a beautiful loving wife for a
4x divorcee skank
Bonnie and Clyde. Just the connection.
Charles Vallow emailed some interesting stuff to Lori. He told her straight up, repeatedly, that she was deep into apostasy, and she needed to stop and get right w God.
Her husband Charles?
Thank you ! I forgot about this!
She was driving the bus, she just found a super fuel in Chad.
They were both equal, he thought he was a prophet and she was the goddess.
Feeding off each others delusional fantasies as both are nuts! I fully believe he is a vulnerable autistic Asperger’s adult with many clues! No emotions, large head, stare and no head or body movement, OCD behavior in court at desk, no affection with Lori, quietly following Lori in HI, more….
I think Chad had affairs before, he perfected his con way before Lori.
Chad was The Charles Manson to Lori Vallow - Daybell’s Groupie follower. A dangerous combination, imo.
Exactly ! I’ve been saying this from the beginning and I would almost go so far as to say she is a victim ! Almost . But she has a lot of character flaws that contributed. Edit :you could say she plotted the murder of Charles pretty much on her own , or did she ? Chad was the one marking everyone as zombies who should die.
👍 He drove, she occasionally steered, & shoved her foot on his on the gas! I will leave their storms out of it!😂😂
@@DittonWilsonexactly she wanted to kill her husband so he gave her something to justify it. They wanted to honeymoon and ditch the kids so he told her they were zombies prob after some typical autistic or teenage outburst when she was mad at them. We may never know how much of the zombie and Angel stuff each one actually believed. Loris behavior suggests she still believes unless it's a defense strategy to claim insanity. She could just be unwilling to admit she was wrong and not chosen by God like all Narcs. That would mean she murdered her kids and not "zombies".
@@DittonWilsonLori talked about killing Joe Ryan. She has homicidal tendencies. Chad gave her a reason and justification to kill everyone who stood in their way.
They both need to spend the rest of their lives in jail!
If you read their texts, it's obvious that both were full in. Neither deserves any mitigation because they were supposedly "led" by the other.
10000 percent agree!
You know what, you're right. I was thinking SHE was the one who was "brainwashed", but Chad was her 4th or 5th husband, so SOMETHING wasn't cool with ol Lori. I felt so BAD for the husband before Chad because he TOLD the police he thought she was going to have him killed, and they didn't listen! And here we are.
They both are responsible and wanted their victims out of their new life. They were taking cues from each other. "Oh you don't like that person? I'm sensing something dark about them. They're a zombie." The really big question is how much did either one actually believe about Zombies and visions? Not enough info to know but my gut is Lori really believed his bs but he was a grifter/con man preying on gullible Mormons.
Agree with Keith!!!
Thank you Nate for sharing your fascinating background getting to know Keith Morrison. It is equally fascinating to hear Mr. Morrison’s take on the whole Lori/Chad saga.
May justice come!
It doesn't matter who was supposedly in charge. All that matters is that two psychopaths crossed paths and that was that.
I absolutely adore Keith Morrison voice. He could read the stock market and make it sound like the best book.
Does it really matter who was driving the bus???? They were in it together
Exactly.
They took turns driving!,
Agree that it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Four people are dead because three others decided to commit murder to accomplish their goals.😥💔
Actually during Chad's trial it definitely matters! Prior is trying to imply Chad was controlled by Melanie Gibbs & Lori Vallow Daybell! Golly gee, not Chad's fault they framed him by burying the children in his pet cemetery! Chad & Lori are equally manipulative & chose evil!
@@Jessica-wo6pxtrue but bc of the crazy zombie belief there is a legal argument for insanity bc at the time they didn't believe their victims where even human. I hope it doesn't fly bc the desire to kill was in their heart and always to their benefit. They sought a belief system that would justify murder.
Chad will blame Lori for everything
Claim she was the mastermind..
i think they were both equally playing each other and everybody around them.
Keith is describing them both to perfection. Thanks Nate for all your hard work.
How the flip does Chad expect anyone to believe him if he blames Alex for Tammy? 😳
How was Alex able to get anywhere near Tammy during that night?! I see nothing that's come out of Alex and Tammy knowing each other so why would Alex have been at her home to murder her unless he broke in? - broke in the house but no one heard or saw anything otherwise it would've been mentioned to the police that night. I can't see how he can blame Alex or anyone else & it be believable! I hope he gets the maximum punishment.
I think they were both driving their own buses and collided.
A match made in hell.
RIP Tammy, Charles, Jj and Tylee. Joe Ryan too.
He’s not blaming anybody. They’re trying to get everyone to believe she died of natural causes.
I love how eloquent Keith Morrison is. ❤
This has brought down nations since time began…
Both of them, a match made in hell
Lori has always had personality issues. She just happened to get with another equally effed up person, and the combination was deadly.
One of the things that blows my mind is the fact that Amazon is still selling Chad's books! WTF????
Probably some kind of free speech argument could come up if they stop selling them. Since when you come down to it any faith-based book is based on opinion (what people believe in regardless of reason) rather than demonstrable fact they are all equally protected under free speech. If the PUBLISHER decides to withdraw them from distribution that's a whole 'nuther thing (anything from sales losing money to its becoming an embarrassment to said publisher).
Amazon sells almost anything
I bet sales have really picked up now.
I bet the money will go to the victims.
Yes, Keith, you nailed it!! He had never felt so enamored and she could make him do anything she wanted. She definitely manipulated him. Putty in her hands!!
Both together were lethal toxic and deadly
Chad was already telling women like Julie Rowe that Tammy was destined to die young. He was already planning to kill her even if just with his mind powers.
Correct. He was building up his harem.
I’m waiting to see who was driving that bus.
The bus was out of control....
Rarely 2 small psychopaths meet and make 1 big one.
Three, Alex also. He had no moral compass and did everything Lori asked of him. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
@@eleanorryan2750 agree 100%
@@eleanorryan2750Alex had been groomed by Lori all his life.
@SheezaPI No one will ever know exactly what went on in the Cox family home. Some think Lori was SA by her father who suffered from Schizophrenia, perhaps Lori may have as well. Alex always seemed like an empty shell. Lots of people think Lori and Alex had an inappropriate relationship. They are a very damaged family for sure. Chad is as bad, a sinister predator IMO. Regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
@@eleanorryan2750 You are right. I feel that pretty much sums it up. A big Texas hello to you too.
I have watched probably every Dateline ever aired. Not just for Keith but as a quality of investigation that is the gold standard. Integrity to the nth degree. ❤
I think Lori was in charge completely and he was just whipped.
He was thinking with the wrong head…
It happened because of the storm.
@@brianboehmer43 😂
That’s what John Pryor wants you to think. But Chad is the one who designed the zombie list. He had been going around trying to charm women with his pendulum tricks before Lori came along. He is equally manipulative and equally guilty. Imo
@@djjuarez5679 you got that right. Two evil people, both of them.
Million dollar question…
Who killed Tammy? We know Lori was outta state when it happened so that leaves Chad or Alex.
I believe Chad and Lori together talked Alex into doing the deed on all 3 in order to protect Lori & Chad from the zombies. Alex seemed like he'd do anything for Lori.
@@sheheri5828 100% they talked Alex into the kids. We know he’s capable- Charles.
I’m on the fence with Tammy , I believe it was Chad. Curious what evidence Chad’s trial will bring forward.
My guess is Chad. His story, of how he found her dead, doesn't ring true.
I think they both did. I think one held her down and the other suffocated her.
He became patty in her hands 😅😅. I love Keith's voice
Do you mean putty?
I find that an interesting perspective. They do say narcissists with love bomb and move the relationship quickly. They are more obsessed than in love. Then I think the person that they are obsessed over doesn’t live up to the expectation. It’s interesting that after all this time lori seems to be just as obsessed over Chad. I wonder after the trial if things will change.
Both. I wish Keith would interview top LDS church leaders to ask them how Chad Daybell and Jodi Hildebrand got away with writing the books they did and their seminars they gave.
My father was a Mormon Bishop . The LDS hierarchy wouldn't answer that question
Oh geesh. What a ridunkulous comment. How about drop it already?
@@janetmosier9182 wouldn't doubt it. Never know a certain one might. Far above a bishop but i think you knew what i meant.
I thought they left the LDS church?
@@PInk77W1 after their books, seminars and murders ther were excommunicated.
Considering the fate her prior husbands suffered, I think we all know who drove that bus.
Keith got me googleing words. "Laconic- using very few words"
Keith Morrison hits the proverbial nail on the head. He's right on!
I love ur channel nate 💓 always Laura
She drove the bus....and it crashed.
wow, great interview.
My thoughts too! WOW my mind tracks in the same universe as Keith Morrison??? 😂
Excellent observations Keith. Puddy in her hands. Lori was shaping him
Please.
@@maggieclendenin6740 don’t get me wrong he did what he did , no excuses. I mean, shaping him by getting him new clothes and making him look stylish with his new haircuts.
@@HerdItThruTheGrapeVineThey were a match made in hell
@@SheezaPI right!!!
They were both driving each other.
Equally narcissistic. He led a group of crazy followers. She was a manipulator. His writings were crazy, their texts to each other were delusional. Vacationing after the children were murdered. Smh
Love Keith Morrison’s vocabulary!
Two warped self centered delusional people met & the crazy train started rolling, they fed on each other’s delusions of grandeur, imo. Insane this whole case! May all their victims rip. Great analogy by Keith Morrison! Love you too Nate! Thank you! Gentlemen!
🎯
Just ♥️ Keith M!!
Chad never killed anyone that we know of before Lori came along…
Lori is something else. I think they both had to be there, and yet Lori was driving the bus? Will we ever know? Both are users.
I've only seen court TV story so I need to read up on it more ❤
My fav journalist and interviewer truly the best!!!!
I think they were taking turns steering the wheel.
Two sociopaths who met. It was the perfect storm.
Lori was totally driving the bus!!🤬🤬
She drove the bus, had no trouble throwing relatives under it, and welcomed Chad aboard to give her some new driving lessons….it basically went from a street racer to a dirt bike after Chad jumped on !!
There was a man called Joe who was around Lori before Chad came on the scene. Joe ended up dead too.
Such wisdom from the very best🤍
As Melanie in interview with Nate illustraited: Chad was the hand and Lori the puppet. Creepy, powerful, charismatic, dumed, intense, dark ... What a story!
yes, and she was such putty in his hands that I’d wager he knew he hit the jackpot. He’d been trying to seduce Melanie and Julie Rowe.
Been following Nate since he went to Hawaii to them. Love the commentary from Keith. I'm a grandma from Pennsylvania, never miss a day of testimony.
Oh yeah blame only the crazy woman… it’s the intensity that made Chad mad too… ffs
It was the Jezebel!!
I call them Jezebel and Ahab. But in this case, Lori was a little more gullible, and Chad was more conniving.
Was like ⛽️ + 🔥 = 💥
Her niece looks like her with the sunglasses on
He knew exactly what he was doing. They are both equally guilty.
Keith is the man, his voice, cadence, the storytelling, the voice I listen to go to bed to most nights after watching courtroom insider ❤ love your work Nate, and your collaborations so happy to see the big names contributing to your already great work.
They’re both responsible for gassing up AND driving.
They are the same.
In my opinion I think they both actually believe the ideals they spew from their mouths, they are both twisted in their realities and both equally as manipulative as each other. Narcissistic abusers use manipulative vindictive controlling tactics to get what they want from others in the relationship especially when it comes to things going their own way. It’s very selfish. Guilt, fear of missing out, shame, and emotional manipulations are the key factors these characters both used with each other and neither of them could read the red flags 🚩
He wrote all those crime novels. He was just as crazy as she was. Both fed off each other
I wonder what it'd been if the slug had a young child. I hope Zulema makes an appearance
Excellent reporting Nate!
Nate and Lauren from Hidden true Crime. What a community! Nate does incredible coverage and I absolutely love him. ❤️
Listen to Lauren reading their texts. You REALLY get an understanding of what these two were thinking. What was truly going on in their minds. It's eye opening.
Kieth Morrison is my Fairy Crime Fatger
I completely understand your thoughts and question, but at this point, none of that matters, all that matters is the fact that there are 6 people that have lost their lives and one that almost lost his life, all that was associated with Lori and Chad. These two empowered each other and eliminated the people that stood in their way.
Very observant
LOVE Keith!!!!!!!! ♥️ Nate's awesome too! I saw your shout out in court!!!!!! 😂❤
They equally and stupidly manipulated each other!!
I’m always interested in Keith Morrison’s well thought queries. He is a professional journalist with integrity. 💯
Keith Morrison you are so cool. my favorite person of all time!! I could listen to your stories day and night. Your smart and smooth.
Great analysis Keith! That makes complete sense.
Chad wanted a bit of candy 🍭 in his boring Mormon life and was too stupid to realize Lori was a barracuda only worthy of a hit it and quit it
I think the two of them worked with each other's egos perfectly.
It was Lori!! Chad was like a dog on a leash!! If Chad never met Lori he would of probably kept living his weird life, and probably never murder. If Lori never met Chad, Charles would still be dead and probably her kids to!
Stay away from anyone who uses the word loinfire 😆
Equally messed up in the head
Right? It was a perfect storm!
It was Lori.