As a White Scars player, I am here for this content! I agree from a rules perspective that it would me awesome if Ebon Keshig were WS 5, but, from a lore perspective, WS 4 does make more sense because they're volunteers from the normal legion ranks looking for redemption or glory as Ebon Keshig. I do think their points are too much for WS 4, though (even with FNP) 5+, so they need a points reduction or a WS increase if they want them to be used on the table more!
Yep, I said much the same thing. For now, my 5 have become a decorative piece. Same with my bikes. I am all about Cyberhawks + plasma, and power armor infantry/termis benefitting from 8M.
I was just looking for an answer to the question, is there any reason why they are WS4 and there it is, thank you :) ... although that leaves me with another question, do White Scars have any elite melee unit in the lore that should have WS5?
@@filipmanicmushroomsandrzej4073 - not just in the lore, in the rules! The Golden Keshig are WS 5 - they're highly specialized and have limited attacks with their Kontos Power Lances, but if you're willing to spend the points to get them bodies and a Chaplain on a Shamshir Jetbike to allow them to re-roll those critical to-hit rolls, they are terrifying. If you're looking for a foot unit... sadly, the answer is no. But foot units aren't really something for which White Scars are known.
@@CygnusMaximusXIII Yes, I was thinking about something that would travel in a land raider, but thanks I actually forgot about the Golden Keshig! That is a great unit indeed.
Pardo, at about the 43.40 mark you said you'd done intercept so can't do another reaction in the enemy shooting phase but that should be a different phase, as well as intercept not counting as one of your reactions for the phase (though I see you were talking about the same unit that intercept so if it had been in the same phase yes that couldn't shoot again).
Great work guys! With the Kharash rule that all Infantry have in the Sagyar Mazan, Pardo's Warlord wasn't worth any points for Slay the Warlord or Cast in Gold, so the game should have been a 3-3 draw. Looking forward to the next battle report :)
great video as always an idea for DCs sons of horus praetor could be Darnath Cyraddon, keeping that traditional SOH naming process but keeping the initials of DC :)
Pardo: "Those Justaerin are poorly placed." Justaerin: "Time to silence this hater." I think the one wound from the White Scars' power fist at 1:17:30 instant kills a T4 termi though. But I don't use Power Fists so maybe I'm wrong.
@@SNBattleReports I'm very sorry Mr. SN battle reports, I have been moving countries, working two very demanding security jobs and haven't had time for hobby again until recently. Perhaps I can rectify this issue, if you would humour me with a single request? ;)
Love the battles from the book. Even though the lore is hilariously wrong. Can't wait to watch the whole BR. Beautiful White Scars! Considering their lore is that they are just disgraced random White Scars, I agree with GW that Ebon Keshigs are WS4 (this is actually a part the Beta Garmon book gets wrong when they describe them as bodyguards of Jaghatai... 🤣). What they need is to be 25pts cheaper. Or to get something new, in addition. Since Phoenix Terminators for EC are the same price and WS5. Bernard and I were just discussing this, actually, Pardo. Giving them back their combi bolters (they actually have Relentless as a rule) would help a little. The glaives aren't two-handed after all.
Pardo - Ebon Keshig are amazing, WHEN used in the right context! I'm not sure they make a great warlord retinue/anti-enemy warlord unit. However, against normal terminators and anything lower, I usually absolutely destroy things. They do struggle against WS5 - however, they are just normal marines who are on kharash after all, not the elite fighters of the legion.
So good game! Thank you Mr.Pardo! Thank you Mr.DC! P.S. Actually, the White Scars won) What I mean. Through Rite of War: The Sager Mazan, the praetor received the Kharash rule. And this rule states that the opponent cannot get any points if he kills a model with this rule. That is, DC has only 3 points. In addition, one of the inductii units fought with justaerin, successfully discarded one cube with the Proof of Valor rule and survived until the end of the game. This gives +1 point to the White Scars. So in the end, 4 against 3)
@@SNBattleReports hm…you’re right. Just checking a wording of the rule and unit which Fall Back don’t “proved their valour”( But my words about Karash rule are still valid. So you have a draw
This lonely sergeant should now have some serious name, like: Crazy frog!) I imagine how he sings this nasty song chopping the whole enemy squad, lol) The idea for other names - the names of top channel sponsors, or the oldest channel sponsors. So it would be even more interesting for them to watch)
As a White Scars main, may I suggest naming the Praetor "Subutai", in honor of the greatest of Genghis's generals? As far as I know, that name is not actually used by any of the named Khans in the Heresy. PS: It is hilarious to see you complaining about Ebon Keshigs, a frequent and eternal frustration of mine. This unit is ONLY for killing power armor marines. Sending them at enemy termis is asking for trouble. 😅
I’m always rooting for DC but I don’t think he can claim any points for the warlord kill because the entire WS army gains the kharash special rule. So essentially you can’t score any points for killing any unit that has that rule.
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That first roll with the contemptor... hilarious. 2 hits on 5 dice 3+... into snake eyes. 🤒
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36:38 Breaching doesn't auto wound like rending does, so you'd still need 6's to wound the dread. Either way, great battle rep! Love to see the bikes!
When did we do that? As that’s something we know so find it strange
Your terrain and tables always look amazing
Glad you like them! Hope to see you as a member one day ♥️
You’re amazing!
For the Warmaster! What a great way to wake up and have my morning coffee!
Good morning! 🌞
Howdy fellas. Hope you all have a lovely day. :)
For the Warmaster!!
What a lovely force of the V. - the Legion with the best story arc in the whole Heresy :)
Thanks buddy! It’s great isn’t it
As a White Scars player, I am here for this content!
I agree from a rules perspective that it would me awesome if Ebon Keshig were WS 5, but, from a lore perspective, WS 4 does make more sense because they're volunteers from the normal legion ranks looking for redemption or glory as Ebon Keshig. I do think their points are too much for WS 4, though (even with FNP) 5+, so they need a points reduction or a WS increase if they want them to be used on the table more!
Yep, I said much the same thing. For now, my 5 have become a decorative piece. Same with my bikes. I am all about Cyberhawks + plasma, and power armor infantry/termis benefitting from 8M.
Agreed but they need to be cheaper even if they were naughty boys
I was just looking for an answer to the question, is there any reason why they are WS4 and there it is, thank you :) ... although that leaves me with another question, do White Scars have any elite melee unit in the lore that should have WS5?
@@filipmanicmushroomsandrzej4073 - not just in the lore, in the rules! The Golden Keshig are WS 5 - they're highly specialized and have limited attacks with their Kontos Power Lances, but if you're willing to spend the points to get them bodies and a Chaplain on a Shamshir Jetbike to allow them to re-roll those critical to-hit rolls, they are terrifying.
If you're looking for a foot unit... sadly, the answer is no. But foot units aren't really something for which White Scars are known.
@@CygnusMaximusXIII Yes, I was thinking about something that would travel in a land raider, but thanks I actually forgot about the Golden Keshig! That is a great unit indeed.
I’m just getting started in Heresy and building a White Scars force so this is very exciting to see them on the table!
Enjoy Brendan
Love the Holloway/Gaethje reference halfway through 😂
Haha glad someone got it
DC's jetbike sergeant should be called Spartacus!
🤣
38:24 if you have two reactions in the assault phase you should be able to overwatch with two different units
Correct!
Awesome start!!
When is the next episode coming out?
Monday 🙌🏽
@SNBattleReports and please replace the axes with power tabers
No cost and much better weapons 🙌
Those are my favorite Nurgle painted minis I've ever seen. Great scheme!
Glad you like them!
22:10 I think Banestrike are 18” range instead of 24”.
Yes they are 🤦🏽♂️
@@SNBattleReports naughty naughty.
Fantastic game looking forward to watching the rest of them.
Thanks Champ
The idea for the name of the hero of White Scars is Hannibal Khan
Imagine if those las cannons in turn 2 went into the bikes!
WOO!
Finally a Sagyar Mazan batrep!
Enjoy Mr Stormseer
@@SNBattleReports Oh I shall indeed...
Great Battle report, thanks guys. Sad to see the WS lose!
Thanks! It was actually a draw
Solo sons bike Sergeant showing what being on a bike is really about. Truly now called Max
Pardo, at about the 43.40 mark you said you'd done intercept so can't do another reaction in the enemy shooting phase but that should be a different phase, as well as intercept not counting as one of your reactions for the phase (though I see you were talking about the same unit that intercept so if it had been in the same phase yes that couldn't shoot again).
Good spot
Great work guys! With the Kharash rule that all Infantry have in the Sagyar Mazan, Pardo's Warlord wasn't worth any points for Slay the Warlord or Cast in Gold, so the game should have been a 3-3 draw. Looking forward to the next battle report :)
Yeah would have been! Sorry about that was only my second ride with them
@ SN Hey guys, where did you get those trees from?
These were custom made from real trees
Lupercal! For the Warmaster!
Traitor!
For the Warmaster!
Lube the gal for the Warmaster!
great video as always an idea for DCs sons of horus praetor could be Darnath Cyraddon, keeping that traditional SOH naming process but keeping the initials of DC :)
Great suggestion!
Oooooo that’s a contender!! Love that
Great game! Still can't get my head around the changes to bikes. My Ravenwing still sits on the shelf.
Haha they need a points drop or battle hardened
@@SNBattleReports points drop would be really nice.
Get them off the shelf! Born to ride!
Nice table ❤❤
Thanks Steve
@@SNBattleReports 👊👊👊
Yay.. always my favourite time :)
Same here!
Horus Heresy time!
Can you use damage mit on Murderous Strike? I thought kt was invun only?
What do you mean
What!!! Pardo as a Khan with no war paint!!!
It was under the Tshirt
He’s covered from the neck down
@@sn_dc Pardo Khan?
did you guys just order shale online for the rocks you have laying around?
It’s Slate
Pardo: "Those Justaerin are poorly placed." Justaerin: "Time to silence this hater." I think the one wound from the White Scars' power fist at 1:17:30 instant kills a T4 termi though. But I don't use Power Fists so maybe I'm wrong.
Would need to check
Not in the first round of combat, because of the Sons of Horus legion rule that makes the attack -1 Strength.
@@trajanthegreat2928 was that then
@@trajanthegreat2928 That's it! Thanks for clarification!
Haha silence this hater 😂😂 love that
My body is ready for this!
Why are you not a member! 😮 😝
@@SNBattleReports I'm very sorry Mr. SN battle reports, I have been moving countries, working two very demanding security jobs and haven't had time for hobby again until recently. Perhaps I can rectify this issue, if you would humour me with a single request? ;)
@@Blazetwoe give it to me
@@SNBattleReports Name one of the characters 'Severos', and I will swear an oath of allegiance to you, and supply you with a membership!
@@Blazetwoe and this is because….. 😂
Awesome game as usual chaps!!
Thanks Dave
Esoterist: Decegaddon the Thrice Cursed
Loveeee
@@SNBattleReports Thanks, what about Irbis Khan for the WS Praetor? Thats how the Snow Leopard is called in Mongolia 😉
Oooff that’s a strong name
I've become a member, where can I check out the next episode in the campaign?
Coming out Next week boss
Double episode
@@SNBattleReports 👍🏾
@@SNBattleReports Oh heck yeah awesome! I’m gonna catch up on the rest of your guy’s content while I wait, really awesome stuff I love it!
@@mrman1088 thanks Champ
Pardo kindly puts the wound on the justarien standard. Wonder if it will make a difference to the game
He’s never doing to be the first to die as that is as a mistake
This pains me to do this to the Justaerin...their range on Banestrike Combi-Bolter is 18"... I feel I've betrayed the Warmaster
Oh, and they are twin linked!
What you mean in pains you?
@SNBattleReports I'm a Sons of Horus player and love the Justaerin, feels like I'm betraying them by saying the rules were done wrong
They are 18” I’ve honestly never noticed that before!! And yes you have let the Warmaster down 😂
awesome!
Thanks 🙏🏽
You’re awesome!
Love the battles from the book. Even though the lore is hilariously wrong. Can't wait to watch the whole BR. Beautiful White Scars! Considering their lore is that they are just disgraced random White Scars, I agree with GW that Ebon Keshigs are WS4 (this is actually a part the Beta Garmon book gets wrong when they describe them as bodyguards of Jaghatai... 🤣). What they need is to be 25pts cheaper. Or to get something new, in addition. Since Phoenix Terminators for EC are the same price and WS5. Bernard and I were just discussing this, actually, Pardo. Giving them back their combi bolters (they actually have Relentless as a rule) would help a little. The glaives aren't two-handed after all.
Agree buddy
He did DC pardo did say on camera 😅
Pardo - Ebon Keshig are amazing, WHEN used in the right context! I'm not sure they make a great warlord retinue/anti-enemy warlord unit. However, against normal terminators and anything lower, I usually absolutely destroy things.
They do struggle against WS5 - however, they are just normal marines who are on kharash after all, not the elite fighters of the legion.
Power fist Terminators would totally smash them. Hitting the same wounding on twos and instant killing them 😟
So good game! Thank you Mr.Pardo! Thank you Mr.DC!
P.S. Actually, the White Scars won)
What I mean. Through Rite of War: The Sager Mazan, the praetor received the Kharash rule. And this rule states that the opponent cannot get any points if he kills a model with this rule. That is, DC has only 3 points. In addition, one of the inductii units fought with justaerin, successfully discarded one cube with the Proof of Valor rule and survived until the end of the game. This gives +1 point to the White Scars.
So in the end, 4 against 3)
Did he Survive? 😟
@@SNBattleReports yes. This indactaii were fall back and because this they survive
@@vladyslav_or_just_V but units falling back can never score right?
@@SNBattleReports hm…you’re right. Just checking a wording of the rule and unit which Fall Back don’t “proved their valour”( But my words about Karash rule are still valid. So you have a draw
@@vladyslav_or_just_V he’s a draw 🙌🏽
Are HH or OW videos more popular for you guys at the moment?
I’d say views wise OW has the edge, then it’s HH but at the moment I think OW is getting a lot of hype interest with the releases etc
Slight more in OW as it’s a newer release
This lonely sergeant should now have some serious name, like: Crazy frog!) I imagine how he sings this nasty song chopping the whole enemy squad, lol)
The idea for other names - the names of top channel sponsors, or the oldest channel sponsors. So it would be even more interesting for them to watch)
🤣 🐸
As a White Scars main, may I suggest naming the Praetor "Subutai", in honor of the greatest of Genghis's generals? As far as I know, that name is not actually used by any of the named Khans in the Heresy. PS: It is hilarious to see you complaining about Ebon Keshigs, a frequent and eternal frustration of mine. This unit is ONLY for killing power armor marines. Sending them at enemy termis is asking for trouble. 😅
Awesome name
I’m always rooting for DC but I don’t think he can claim any points for the warlord kill because the entire WS army gains the kharash special rule. So essentially you can’t score any points for killing any unit that has that rule.
Correct! We forgot that
T4 bikes WTF ??!
Yeah standard in heresy
Wait Legion elite keshig are only WS4!? What in HH 1.0 Crimson Paladin mockery is this?
I was shocked too, they look mean but they hit like a regular marine
Haha 🤣
It's a pain! In the first edition, their weapons at least had 2AР. And now these are very beautiful, but very weak models)
Awh yeaaa people, LETS GOOOOO
🙌🏽 Enjoy
Ws4? As bad as Khan at ws7 lol.
Why not put the campaign on here too, just a few months later? Extra revenue for you. No point watching.
If not we would not have any members which is how the channel survives. If everybody knew the games would come out further down the line and only have to wait a few months then nobody would become a member. Only those that really want to support
@@20catsRPG I think people think video revenue is much more than it is. Just so you know a 10k viewed video gives you about £30 max that’s like 3% of our rent 🤣
For all the hard work and awesome content they make it's absolutely worth to support them, it's actually quite cheap.