Rob James-Collier said in an interview that it's the giant, looming secret of his homosexuality that always makes Thomas so defensive and bitter, which is perfectly understandable considering that he would be arrested or killed if his secret got out
@samantha smith yes Thomas’s sexuality was known by most staff and some staff like Miss Baxter, Anna, Mrs Hughes were kind, non judgmental and accepting of Thomas’s sexuality. Other staff like Mr Molesley or Daisy were indifferent and didn’t use his sexuality against him or seem to judge him over it. However he was marginalized, insulted and unfairly treated by some of the staff because of his sexuality. Andy initially had a good friendship with Thomas but shunned him when he learnt of his sexuality. Alfred reported him to the police and only backed down when lord grantham spoke up for Thomas. James not only tried to get Thomas sacked but forced Carson to not give Thomas a reference so he could find future employment by threatening to go public and cause scandal for Downton and the Crawley family. Carson was cruel, rude and very homophobic when he called Thomas “vile, “foul” and said he “deserved to be horse whipped” When Thomas was privately helping Andy to learn to read and was giving lessons in his room so the other staff didn’t find out Andy couldn’t read both Carson and Mrs Patmore automatically assumed Thomas was had romantic/sexual motives for Andy and Carson interrogated Thomas and assumed the worst.
I think most people knew, not just the staff. Mary and Robert obviously knew, Cora and Sybil probably did too but I'm not sure about Edith... but not just them, Mr.Pamuk immediately noticed so did Richard (and we're glad he did because they were too goddamn adorable) and Guy and also (I don't know if they said his name) the man who took him in the gay bar
O'Brien's venomous ways certainly weren't a good influence on Thomas either. After they fell out and O'Brien's character departed DA, Thomas's character seems to develop in a more positive, albeit still complex direction.
Thomas is such an incredible character. He's gone through so much development throughout the series. He's a good person, at his core. His goodness has been beaten down and covered up by a lifetime's worth of loneliness and loss, but it's there. I'm glad he's been able to show that more often recently. It's great that he has a good, true friend again. Thomas really needs more friends in his life. I think that if someone showed him consistent kindness, loyalty, and acceptance, he could really shine. It's so tragic that he was essentially willing to poison himself in order to stop being who he was. Hopefully now that he's accepted his sexuality a bit more, he'll be able to find contentment, even in a dark time. I just hope he's happy, in the end.
I completely agree. In a weird way, he's one of my favorite gay characters on television. All too often, writers want to make gay characters one dimensional; flamboyant or sassy or slutty or [insert stereotype here]. In my opinion, Thomas' character realistically shows the consequences of what society can do when you shun, demonize, marginalize people just for who they are, how they were born: it can turn even the best of us into spiteful, vengeful, and selfish creatures who just want acceptance and love. Ugh, i love it! They could make an entire show about him.
Baxter is such a gem of a character! From her growing affection for Molesly, to her what becomes a friendship with Barrow, and her devotion to Cora for looking past her history, she, like Anna, anchors much of the household.
Everyone I know think Baxter wasn't a necessary addition to the show. She was one of the greatest in my opinion. She was always honest. I hope she has a good role in the movie!!!
The fact that they think that she wasn’t necessary is so stupid because if she wasn’t in the show Thomas barrow would’ve succeeded in killing him self. She is the only person who knew him intimately only because they grew up together she was the only one who could figure out why he was acting a certain way and pick up the signs that he was trying to commit suicide. no one else would have been able to pick that up so yes I think she’s very necessary.
I'm on your team, love Baxter. A fierce lady like Mary, Mrs. Hughes, and the Dowager is never wrong in my book, but portrayals like Cora and Baxter who are soft AND strong shows that you can be a Strong Female Character™ in more than one way, which is something sorely needed. Same with male characters - soft masculinity is criminally underrepresented.
Poor Thomas - in his line of work (and the era), it's nearly impossible for him to have a lasting, healthy relationship. And doing this to himself in order to be "cured" is heartbreaking. All he needs is true love, and friendship.
Plus to think that there are still places, that promise to cure a person who is not heterosexual!! What horrors they have had to endure and some still do get treated like scum!!
@@rohaankhan7523 I think Barrow is referring to how he told the police that Baxter had testimony about Mr. Green's murder. Because Baxter wasn't telling Barrow the full truth about how Anna and Bates may have been involved, which Baxter overheard. Baxter was forced to testify to the police, but she only said vague stuff because she didn't know everything about the situation. Thomas feels guilty because he shouldn't have forced the issue or put Baxter, Bates and Anna into trouble.
Oh my dear Lord, what an awful mess he was in from that worthless piece of junk brace!! Even though I knew it wasn’t real, seeing the horrendous results from that brace made me wince!!
He was a jerk, but that was the point; he was struggling with his identify and status. When he found someone, he loved, he showed that love back. Sybill, The kids (especially Mr. George), O'Brien for a while, Cora, Jimmy, and Baxter. He respected Mr. Bates as well at the end. It was a great character and a masterful performance.
I couldn’t help but detest O’Brien after what she did to a pregnant Cora. She was so spiteful, mean, derogatory, conniving......so totally an unpleasant person (the actress did such a great portrayal, that the site of her made me ill)‼️
I am just verklempt reading all your "Team Baxter" posts... I love her so much - she's so kind to all, and it's that love she puts out into the universe that comes back to her.
Poor Thomas, all the physical pain he put himself through. Because those scammers gave him and who knows how many more guys false hope that they could be "cured".😡😡🤬🤬🤬
@sarah jones He travelled to London (I think it was) to have a treatment he saw in a magazine. This was to turn him straight. When he finished it, the syringe and "medication" they gave him which turned out just to be saline, was meant to continue the treatment to stop him being gay. It was all a con of course.
Thomas is gay & is desperate to try to change that, so he’s taking experimental injections , which of course don’t work and it’s just making him sicker .
The police was trying to find out who murdered Green. He told them Baxter ( technically à criminal on probation ) might have heard some things . So she was interrogated ( she was not in Downton yet so she wouldn t have been arrested but she was obviously scared )
This guy was an asshole and they made him a Butler in the finale....WTF! The actor was great because I really hated him in the series.....we were suppose to hate him....right? Hahaha!
WHAT I DONT GET IS THE FACT THAT THOMAS BECAME HOUSE BUTLER IN TIMES WHERE IM SURE IT WAS ILLEGAL TO EVEN BE GAY AND THEY ALL KNEW HE WAS GAY. THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW MADE IT A POINT THAT THEY "GOT EVERYTHING JUST RIGHT" WITH THE TIMES BUT THAT WHOLE PART DIDNT MAKE SENSE. THEY DIDNT WANNA BE SEEN EATING WITH A WOMAN WITH CHILD AND NO HUSBAND BUT A HOMOSEXUAL BUTLER MADE SENSE. YOU ALL KNOW BACK THEN THAT FOLKS THOUGHT GAYS WERE ALL KINDS OF UNNATURAL BEINGS.
It was illegal, but that didn’t mean everyone was inclined to call to police on a man who was discreet about it. Thomas’s sexuality is definitely an open secret, but it’s likely that it came to be known after he was hired, and since he was discreet about it, they were probably inclined just to keep him on because drawing attention to it would have been more of an embarrassment to the family. And indeed, contrary to what most people believe, it wasn’t uncommon for people to have a “live and let live” attitude towards homosexuality because it was so rarely obvious. On the other hand, an unmarried woman with a child was a highly visible embarrassment.
Thomas being fired and arrested for being gay was brought up in the show and it was stated that him being gay wasn’t illegal, it was illegal for him to act upon it, which he stated he had not done (even though he had, he and other people lied about it so he would go to jail for it) so him working there while keeping it discreet/ it not being brought up was seen as fine in this particular household
Andre Suston That's true but the whole point of the Downton Abbey household was they were kind, forgiving and futuristic people who wanted the world to change for the better, they weren't suppose to marry Americans, but Howard did, women weren't supposed to be powerful or independent but all his daughters were incredible woman with jobs, goals and very open minded, when howard finds out Thomas is gay, he shrugs it off, because he states that it's no fault of his own and that as long as it's not hurting anyone, why fuss? He sees his servants as people and that's what makes the series awesome, it's having the balls to go against the grain when everyone else is stuck in the past, I think even one of the first epsiodes was about them gladly excepting electricity while in fact it's the servants that struggle with change the most throughout the show.
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Love Baxter. She was so kind to Thomas even after he was trying to control and intimidate her.
Rob James-Collier said in an interview that it's the giant, looming secret of his homosexuality that always makes Thomas so defensive and bitter, which is perfectly understandable considering that he would be arrested or killed if his secret got out
@samantha smith yes Thomas’s sexuality was known by most staff and some staff like Miss Baxter, Anna, Mrs Hughes were kind, non judgmental and accepting of Thomas’s sexuality. Other staff like Mr Molesley or Daisy were indifferent and didn’t use his sexuality against him or seem to judge him over it. However he was marginalized, insulted and unfairly treated by some of the staff because of his sexuality. Andy initially had a good friendship with Thomas but shunned him when he learnt of his sexuality. Alfred reported him to the police and only backed down when lord grantham spoke up for Thomas. James not only tried to get Thomas sacked but forced Carson to not give Thomas a reference so he could find future employment by threatening to go public and cause scandal for Downton and the Crawley family. Carson was cruel, rude and very homophobic when he called Thomas “vile, “foul” and said he “deserved to be horse whipped” When Thomas was privately helping Andy to learn to read and was giving lessons in his room so the other staff didn’t find out Andy couldn’t read both Carson and Mrs Patmore automatically assumed Thomas was had romantic/sexual motives for Andy and Carson interrogated Thomas and assumed the worst.
I think most people knew, not just the staff. Mary and Robert obviously knew, Cora and Sybil probably did too but I'm not sure about Edith... but not just them, Mr.Pamuk immediately noticed so did Richard (and we're glad he did because they were too goddamn adorable) and Guy and also (I don't know if they said his name) the man who took him in the gay bar
Mrs. Patmore trying to explain to Daisy why Thomas wasn't the right man for her. Daisy just didn't understand so Mrs Patmore gave up 😅
O'Brien's venomous ways certainly weren't a good influence on Thomas either. After they fell out and O'Brien's character departed DA, Thomas's character seems to develop in a more positive, albeit still complex direction.
I love Baxter. She's a great addition to the show.
Thomas is such an incredible character. He's gone through so much development throughout the series. He's a good person, at his core. His goodness has been beaten down and covered up by a lifetime's worth of loneliness and loss, but it's there. I'm glad he's been able to show that more often recently. It's great that he has a good, true friend again. Thomas really needs more friends in his life. I think that if someone showed him consistent kindness, loyalty, and acceptance, he could really shine. It's so tragic that he was essentially willing to poison himself in order to stop being who he was. Hopefully now that he's accepted his sexuality a bit more, he'll be able to find contentment, even in a dark time. I just hope he's happy, in the end.
I completely agree. In a weird way, he's one of my favorite gay characters on television. All too often, writers want to make gay characters one dimensional; flamboyant or sassy or slutty or [insert stereotype here]. In my opinion, Thomas' character realistically shows the consequences of what society can do when you shun, demonize, marginalize people just for who they are, how they were born: it can turn even the best of us into spiteful, vengeful, and selfish creatures who just want acceptance and love.
Ugh, i love it! They could make an entire show about him.
You put it beautifully, thinking of Thomas always makes me teary 😭
@@headoverheels88 so basically what they're still doing in 3rd world countries?
@@PrincessofEllabur It happens in all countries, unfortunately.
@@headoverheels88 not in Canada, or UK. We don't imprison people for being gay
Baxter is such a gem of a character! From her growing affection for Molesly, to her what becomes a friendship with Barrow, and her devotion to Cora for looking past her history, she, like Anna, anchors much of the household.
Everyone I know think Baxter wasn't a necessary addition to the show. She was one of the greatest in my opinion. She was always honest. I hope she has a good role in the movie!!!
The fact that they think that she wasn’t necessary is so stupid because if she wasn’t in the show Thomas barrow would’ve succeeded in killing him self. She is the only person who knew him intimately only because they grew up together she was the only one who could figure out why he was acting a certain way and pick up the signs that he was trying to commit suicide. no one else would have been able to pick that up so yes I think she’s very necessary.
@@amarissanders1003 👍🥰
Baxter is amazing specially how he saw Mosley
I'm on your team, love Baxter. A fierce lady like Mary, Mrs. Hughes, and the Dowager is never wrong in my book, but portrayals like Cora and Baxter who are soft AND strong shows that you can be a Strong Female Character™ in more than one way, which is something sorely needed. Same with male characters - soft masculinity is criminally underrepresented.
completely agree, Baxter (along with Molesley haha) is my favourite character in the entire show
Thomas was always such an underrated character. There was so much depth to him.
And after he blackmailed her. What a good heart she has.
Poor Thomas - in his line of work (and the era), it's nearly impossible for him to have a lasting, healthy relationship. And doing this to himself in order to be "cured" is heartbreaking. All he needs is true love, and friendship.
Plus to think that there are still places, that promise to cure a person who is not heterosexual!! What horrors they have had to endure and some still do get treated like scum!!
All Thomas needed was a real friend ❤ his smile is just priceless
What strikes about Mr. Barrow is, he is still being honest that he had done something wrong and not be exploitative while taking her help.
What was the something wrong he did?
1:30 what was that wrong thing he did??
@@rohaankhan7523
I think Barrow is referring to how he told the police that Baxter had testimony about Mr. Green's murder. Because Baxter wasn't telling Barrow the full truth about how Anna and Bates may have been involved, which Baxter overheard. Baxter was forced to testify to the police, but she only said vague stuff because she didn't know everything about the situation. Thomas feels guilty because he shouldn't have forced the issue or put Baxter, Bates and Anna into trouble.
Poor Thomas. This scene is so beautiful every time I watch it!! I'm glad he can finally have a friend and be honest and open with her. =)
Reminds me of the scene in season 1 where Bates showed Mrs. Hughes the painful leg brace he was wearing
Oh my dear Lord, what an awful mess he was in from that worthless piece of junk brace!! Even though I knew it wasn’t real, seeing the horrendous results from that brace made me wince!!
He was a jerk, but that was the point; he was struggling with his identify and status. When he found someone, he loved, he showed that love back. Sybill, The kids (especially Mr. George), O'Brien for a while, Cora, Jimmy, and Baxter. He respected Mr. Bates as well at the end. It was a great character and a masterful performance.
Baxter behaviour was the opposite of O´Brien´s. Cora was lucky to have lost O´Brien, after the slip she had in the shower room.
I couldn’t help but detest O’Brien after what she did to a pregnant Cora. She was so spiteful, mean, derogatory, conniving......so totally an unpleasant person (the actress did such a great portrayal, that the site of her made me ill)‼️
"Her Ladyship's soap"
I am just verklempt reading all your "Team Baxter" posts... I love her so much - she's so kind to all, and it's that love she puts out into the universe that comes back to her.
I love Thomas he deserves so much better.
Baxter is the kindest person in this whole show.
Baxter was such a good person.
Baxter has a good heart.
Poor Thomas, all the physical pain he put himself through. Because those scammers gave him and who knows how many more guys false hope that they could be "cured".😡😡🤬🤬🤬
It's weird seeing Ms Hardbroom be so nice
I know right.I can't unsee HB
I alternate between wanting his downfall and wanting to hug him. He is suffering and he thinks he's broken because he's gay. It's so heartbreaking.
I LOVE MY FRIEND THOMAS!
Poor Thomas...
She may be an Ex Con but she has the soul of an angel. I hope in the next movie her and mosley are married.
Forever love you Thomas sniff ❤ 💙 ♥ 💕 💖 💗 ❤
1:30 what had he done wrong
@@rohaankhan7523 I’m pretty sure it was when he had kissed Jimmy
@@AC_RDR2_Q oh
I love Baxter Raquel cassidy fan 4ever
Can someone please tell me what Thomas's wound was? and what was the syringe for?
Hopefully I've answered this for you as I think I've just messaged you on another thread. His wound was from the injections he gave himself.
@@minime3975 Thank-you for both answers...Poor Thomas!
What episode is this?? Thanks!!
Season 5 episode 6
@@Not_Moose Thanks!!
He's seen better days!
what was thomas doing to himself??
antanoh It was a fake treatment for his “conversion.” The liquid was just saline, but it wasn’t sterile so repeated injections led to an infection.
@@davidthaler7018 : oh my, the ‘snake oil’ remedies that others foist on good people who are desperate to ‘fit-in’!!
What episode and season was it
@@AC_RDR2_Q season 5 . Épisodes 4 to 6 i think . This is 6 . Thomas was sick for weeks with this crookery
@@marionarda2790 Cheers, i always forget
what does that syringe/medication do?
Continues the process he had from the electrodes
Poisoning him . It was supposed to turn him " like other men "
@@minime3975 what process?
@sarah jones He travelled to London (I think it was) to have a treatment he saw in a magazine. This was to turn him straight. When he finished it, the syringe and "medication" they gave him which turned out just to be saline, was meant to continue the treatment to stop him being gay. It was all a con of course.
Awwwwwwww
Thomas has a nice rump.
Yes, it is a nice round rump
Dumbest comment of all. Like you can tell or really even see anything. And with a big infected sore. Always has to be that one comment. 🙄
j predict that branson and ms. Edmonds will marry in the upcoming DA Movie. it is the last happy outcome left to be had.
Well, things haven’t changed in so much years. Only people living in big cities things being gay not a big deal but things are same in countryside
What an horrible therapy
What's that about? What kind of illness does he have?
Thomas is gay & is desperate to try to change that, so he’s taking experimental injections , which of course don’t work and it’s just making him sicker .
i just relized Thomas was Gay-
but i respect dat :>
You JUST realized?
Lol from the FIRST episode everyone knew
you JUST realized?? JUST NOW??
Wait. What did he do?
The police was trying to find out who murdered Green. He told them Baxter ( technically à criminal on probation ) might have heard some things . So she was interrogated ( she was not in Downton yet so she wouldn t have been arrested but she was obviously scared )
This guy was an asshole and they made him a Butler in the finale....WTF! The actor was great because I really hated him in the series.....we were suppose to hate him....right? Hahaha!
Watch the show lol
WHAT I DONT GET IS THE FACT THAT THOMAS BECAME HOUSE BUTLER IN TIMES WHERE IM SURE IT WAS ILLEGAL TO EVEN BE GAY AND THEY ALL KNEW HE WAS GAY. THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW MADE IT A POINT THAT THEY "GOT EVERYTHING JUST RIGHT" WITH THE TIMES BUT THAT WHOLE PART DIDNT MAKE SENSE. THEY DIDNT WANNA BE SEEN EATING WITH A WOMAN WITH CHILD AND NO HUSBAND BUT A HOMOSEXUAL BUTLER MADE SENSE. YOU ALL KNOW BACK THEN THAT FOLKS THOUGHT GAYS WERE ALL KINDS OF UNNATURAL BEINGS.
Andre Suston believe it or not, not all people were so complicit with society’s views. Even back then.
It was illegal, but that didn’t mean everyone was inclined to call to police on a man who was discreet about it. Thomas’s sexuality is definitely an open secret, but it’s likely that it came to be known after he was hired, and since he was discreet about it, they were probably inclined just to keep him on because drawing attention to it would have been more of an embarrassment to the family. And indeed, contrary to what most people believe, it wasn’t uncommon for people to have a “live and let live” attitude towards homosexuality because it was so rarely obvious. On the other hand, an unmarried woman with a child was a highly visible embarrassment.
Thomas being fired and arrested for being gay was brought up in the show and it was stated that him being gay wasn’t illegal, it was illegal for him to act upon it, which he stated he had not done (even though he had, he and other people lied about it so he would go to jail for it) so him working there while keeping it discreet/ it not being brought up was seen as fine in this particular household
everyone looked the other way because gay butlers were the best butlers!
Andre Suston
That's true but the whole point of the Downton Abbey household was they were kind, forgiving and futuristic people who wanted the world to change for the better, they weren't suppose to marry Americans, but Howard did, women weren't supposed to be powerful or independent but all his daughters were incredible woman with jobs, goals and very open minded, when howard finds out Thomas is gay, he shrugs it off, because he states that it's no fault of his own and that as long as it's not hurting anyone, why fuss? He sees his servants as people and that's what makes the series awesome, it's having the balls to go against the grain when everyone else is stuck in the past, I think even one of the first epsiodes was about them gladly excepting electricity while in fact it's the servants that struggle with change the most throughout the show.