otter sir otten reminds me of when England colonized new places and that places natives captured a British soldier. “It’s against the law to hurt a British soldier.” “The law? WHAT COUNTRY DO YOU THINK YOUR IN!?”
6 Major Defeats of those HGHs (2199-2390) say otherwise. and now, reduced to....'half a single planet's worth of population still. vs the other 500+ colonial worlds of the Human non-helghan Space that surrounds those broken Rebel colonists. especially at the top, that is the UCN, in this version of a Human Space empire.
why blaming the simple actions of an Insubordinate son of a Scrap's on the same level as that of a captain who still remembered the straight up goals for why the ISA military even dive down at that mineral-digging colony world in the first place by the book?
Yeah that was a fuckin lie! That was probably intended to make him sound more humble in the eyes of the people, especially when he followed it with “but honesty is.”
No Yes - If your talking about the ‘Red Dust’ nuke. The Helghast stole that weapon from Vekta and detonated it within the city themselves to delay the ISA advance. It’s a bit of a stretch to say ISA nuked the city.
@@timhare9867 isa was literally TOLD by UCN itself to not attack Helghan ESPECIALLY Scolar Visari. And yet they still went on expecting him to surrender to become their puppet
I love how the most criticized thing about the killzone games is it’s supposed lack of story. Anyone who thinks killzone’s story is lacking just never payed attention to it, if they made a killzone movie I’d watch the shit out of it!
@@CaptainPilipinas your average joe thinks the ISA conquered Vekta during the war and they're forces directly sent from Earth. There needs to be a reboot of the series honestly.
@@Sean12248 half and half, for that reboot. better executed and portrayed (longer Campaigns/around 3 Dozen missions for each future KZ games, for example), rather than what we canonically have. like those so-called 'ISA vs HGH military/2 alternative story Campaign choices' kind of features that most others keep hammering about. can be interesting, seeing that. for either ISA/UCN viewed patriot-main character or helghan patriot-main character (Maya. or those like Mael, which ironically pre-ISA navy colonel Jan was a 2-games long playable main character (ISA/Vekta/UCN etc) that everyone experienced on....now it would be (similarly colonel ranked) Mael's turn crom the faction of the helghan empire's to throw against ISA NPCs. they would have to write him more on his chatacterizations beyond just being 'the main dog of Visari'). now for the 'IF': but they don't do an entire franchise reboot and instead they just go for a remastered kind of move for KZs 01-03 then maybe. meaning sadly that there wouldn't even have been some continuing for the old KZ franchise if it is just them resmastering those said-old killzone games before KZ04:SF.
@@Sean12248 yeah....a youtuber that I have remembered, having his playlist about the franchise (minus KZ:L and KZ:M....at least when speaking uploading them publicly), sometimes in some of the episodes there that I remembered he kept on mistaking the places between the UCN homeworld capital and Vekta. IF he's not too serious on what he can tried reminiscencing on his time with killzone lore from time to time. or even some of his mentions about 'what's taking the Earth fleet so long to get to helghan? (during his playthrough on KZ03 when Tomas was trying to recheck on the situation about their uplink during in the jungles section of the 3rd sequel's) when they were literally just like....Days, that it took them long to get to Vekta (referencing about the action of a UCA fleet trying to assist the half Helghan-invaded Vekta world's current desperate situation back in KZ01). Eugh, politics. probably.', something like that reaction from thag youtuber's. some glanced-only levels of small lore remembrances of those kinds of people when them just quickly experiencing, reacting to the era of the situations of the UCN/helghan-Humanity are currently facing with. Unfortunately. average joe's knowledge, yeah.
Sthal: "...Speeches are not my forte" Also Stahl: gives a truly fantastic speech worthy of not only Scolar Visari's approval, but his personal broadcast for addressing the Helghast people. And does so completely unscripted, might I add.
to be fair it wasnt an intentional genocide. they were trying to take out stahls ship with the anti life planet weapon he had created and they were unlucky enough for him to avoid their attack and the missiles detonating the petracide vains in helgans crust
"I'll have you know that I'm very triggered with you tying me down to my knees in front of a machine gun. I'm a sovereign citizen of the planet Earth and I do not follow any government's laws." Earth? Sovereign citizen? *W H A T P L A N E T D O Y O U T H I N K Y O U ' R E O N ! ?*
I think if I remember correctly because I haven't played it in a long time he also voiced John Henry Eden the president of the Enclave in Fallout 3..... Right...?
Come to think of it, Stahl actually does look like a younger Malcolm McDowell. I'm getting flashbacks of the Tank Girl movie. If there were a live action movie adaptation of Killzone, Malcolm would clearly both look and sound the part for Stahl.
How could someone not? It's Malcolm fuckin McDowell. An honestly, nobody could have done this role better. Most of his lines are memorable just from they way they were spoken. Especially when he gets angry.
Imagine a Helghan-type unification on Earth. It'd have a high price. No other nations or governments. Make humans coexist or die. If anyone attacks any group, criminals an traitors, kill them until theres pure unity. Live unified and take pride in it, or die. It requires a Visari to lead. Also, an Orlock to oversee senate, given his dedication to both his leader an his people. Radec for military. Merciless and professional. One can always wonder. An also I want one of those awesome uniforms.
Griseus Lupus If that ever happen I'd totally join the military. And maybe die in the training boot camp. But IF I survived well I'd have a badass uniform, even more badass helmet, and a nice looking rifle.
@@luizfilipe4226 maybe for you...but you just don't have to hate the regime publicly...I mean, Helghast don't seem to discriminate on etnicity, race, gender, etc. They just want Vekta for what the ISA and Vektans have done... Also the joke from "dying to bootleg camp" is only for Radec's case, which is for the elite of the elite of Helghast. Plus, just don't violate uniform code ;)
***** I'm seeing it in action right now, I live in Malmö, Sweden's third largest city, where native Swedes are a minority according to some statistics.
***** I don't have enough money to move, in the meantime I'm thinking of buying a ceremonial knife for defense. Me and my friends are also In the process of building a bomb shelter with a food supply of Ikea meatballs, that'll last for about 5 years, so I should be okay.
+Anglo-Nat Yeah, because the anglos never exit of their country or never conquered any other land, because they are the pure race and they aren't Homo Sapiens Sapiens
+terrorcineable And apparently only the Anglos are capable of genocide, colonization, and enslavement? Which might I add, is a standard for Isla- I mean the "religion of peace."
Actually, the Helghast have allowed some sympathizers from Vekta to replenish their ranks during their assault on Vekta. Plus, if many humans have cooperated with the Helghast, I believe that our so loved gas-mask guys would use them, instead of killing them. They may be full of hatred, but they're not stupid.
Lord Inquisiteur Willhelm Von Steiner If I survive that hellhole and made part of a bunch of refuges turn into a galatic super power, yeah I would have a superior complex too.
if not for stahl i couldve seen the helgans coming out very well politically with earth in the situation with how the isa and vekta were told to simply blockade not invade and wait for a formal representative to investigate things
You know Ive been watching these videos and all the comments are the same, no one likes the ISA and we all love the Helghast so why do we have to play as the ISA?!
@wirman777 Well, Guerilla Games is based in Norway. So naturally there's references to European customs and locales and such. Hell, even the assault rifles are bullpup design.
Well, I don't think you should just automatically say curse words are "adolescent". I think that they have the soldiers overuse the cursing, but with Stahl, I think you see a man who's very deviant. Deviant not only in terms of morals, but the Helghan values as well. He's not a conservative politician or commander, but a capitalist. He planned on exterminating all life on Earth and conquering the entire galaxy, even at the expense of his own people. Not a perfect comparison, but he's the Joker.
Stahl has style, that much I'll admit. But he's nothing more than a cocky businessman with a flare for the vernacular and a black pit instead of a heart. None of these things make him nearly half as good a leader as Radec. If that's not evident from the events that transpired in KZ3, I don't know what is.
It's more because the ISA are so boring and uncharaterized that the Helghast are so well thought of. People prefer charismatic space nazis to dull, boring protagonists who are the good guys because the story says so.
ndalum75 They could have made the ISA like the imperial guard prefarably an entire army of soldiers who with numbers, dedication,fire power and deep philospical understanding of war it would improve their reputation by a long shot
Its time for some new fucking management if i could Become president or if i ran (although im only 14) i would be like "its time for some new fucking management!!!!!" just like him not to mention its true
I am pro helghan. But to say isa "commited" genocide after KZ 3 is not all true. To commit something is to have intention on what ever consequences happen after. When the means justifies the ends thats what would be genocidal. Launching a nuke at a cruiser that yes was ready to do genocide to others was just a way to get rid of it and stahl but not even stahl cared to consider a chemical reaction when enough radiated petrusite gets released into upper atmosphere. There was no way to know that in the 6 months or so since finding the first samples of radiopetrusite from the pyrrhis bomb
it's because people feel a sense of Nationalism by watching the Helghast being victimised although not realising that if the Killzone story was true they would be killed for trying to help the Helghast by both the ISA forces and the Helghast forces
Sadly, that would be the typical British/Eurpopean, who believes Helghan is srz bzness on the internet, on his food stamps. Oh, and I weigh 128lb... You fail.
"Stockholm, WHAT PLANET DO YOU THINK YOUR ON!!" Best line
invading a Planet to impose your Laws upon them, get your ass kicked for it and insists to get treated according to your Laws xD
Malcolm Mcdowell is a great actor.
otter sir otten reminds me of when England colonized new places and that places natives captured a British soldier.
“It’s against the law to hurt a British soldier.”
“The law? WHAT COUNTRY DO YOU THINK YOUR IN!?”
Show time
Lol hell yea...
"We are prisoners of war, we have rights"
Just like Visari huh?
YOU HAVE NOT WON. YOU WILL NEVER.
Ooft.
That would have been a good point to use. Shame Helghast in killzone 3 were particularly cartoonish.
6 Major Defeats of those HGHs (2199-2390) say otherwise.
and now, reduced to....'half a single planet's worth of population still.
vs the other 500+ colonial worlds of the Human non-helghan Space that surrounds those broken Rebel colonists. especially at the top, that is the UCN, in this version of a Human Space empire.
why blaming the simple actions of an Insubordinate son of a Scrap's on the same level as that of a captain who still remembered the straight up goals for why the ISA military even dive down at that mineral-digging colony world in the first place by the book?
"...speeches are not my forte."
Yeah right Stahl! =D
Yeah that was a fuckin lie! That was probably intended to make him sound more humble in the eyes of the people, especially when he followed it with “but honesty is.”
@@djphat94Truth can strike harder than any perfectly formulated lie.
ISA: Nukes civilian cities
-Good
Helghast: Takes no prisioners
- You just violated the Stockholm treaty
What city did the ISA nuke?
@@timhare9867 Pyrrhus Deep, the Capital where Visari was martyred on the same day
No Yes - If your talking about the ‘Red Dust’ nuke. The Helghast stole that weapon from Vekta and detonated it within the city themselves to delay the ISA advance. It’s a bit of a stretch to say ISA nuked the city.
@@timhare9867 isa caused it.
@@timhare9867 isa was literally TOLD by UCN itself to not attack Helghan ESPECIALLY Scolar Visari. And yet they still went on expecting him to surrender to become their puppet
He's got a point. They're not bound by a treaty that, frankly, they never signed.
And the prisoner dies THE END NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS NOTHING!!!!!!!!
100% True
Sounds right to me.
+Seamus Monteith Way better ending than the COD bullshit we got in this cutscene.
@@altechelghanforever9906 literally sums up the result so well. Comes off as call of duty bullshit 100%
NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS! THE PRISONERS DIE GOODBYE THE END!
Actually I find the whole thing of showing the actual bad guys as generic good guys as the prime example of why Killzone is so brilliant.
from the words of even an outsider mercenary Criminal underworld dealer's....
“A time has come for some new fucking management”. Gets me every time.
I love how the most criticized thing about the killzone games is it’s supposed lack of story. Anyone who thinks killzone’s story is lacking just never payed attention to it, if they made a killzone movie I’d watch the shit out of it!
or KZ Lore.
@@CaptainPilipinas your average joe thinks the ISA conquered Vekta during the war and they're forces directly sent from Earth. There needs to be a reboot of the series honestly.
@@Sean12248 half and half, for that reboot. better executed and portrayed (longer Campaigns/around 3 Dozen missions for each future KZ games, for example), rather than what we canonically have.
like those so-called 'ISA vs HGH military/2 alternative story Campaign choices' kind of features that most others keep hammering about. can be interesting, seeing that. for either ISA/UCN viewed patriot-main character or helghan patriot-main character (Maya. or those like Mael, which ironically pre-ISA navy colonel Jan was a 2-games long playable main character (ISA/Vekta/UCN etc) that everyone experienced on....now it would be (similarly colonel ranked) Mael's turn crom the faction of the helghan empire's to throw against ISA NPCs. they would have to write him more on his chatacterizations beyond just being 'the main dog of Visari').
now for the 'IF': but they don't do an entire franchise reboot and instead they just go for a remastered kind of move for KZs 01-03 then maybe. meaning sadly that there wouldn't even have been some continuing for the old KZ franchise if it is just them resmastering those said-old killzone games before KZ04:SF.
@@Sean12248 yeah....a youtuber that I have remembered, having his playlist about the franchise (minus KZ:L and KZ:M....at least when speaking uploading them publicly), sometimes in some of the episodes there that I remembered he kept on mistaking the places between the UCN homeworld capital and Vekta. IF he's not too serious on what he can tried reminiscencing on his time with killzone lore from time to time.
or even some of his mentions about 'what's taking the Earth fleet so long to get to helghan? (during his playthrough on KZ03 when Tomas was trying to recheck on the situation about their uplink during in the jungles section of the 3rd sequel's) when they were literally just like....Days, that it took them long to get to Vekta (referencing about the action of a UCA fleet trying to assist the half Helghan-invaded Vekta world's current desperate situation back in KZ01). Eugh, politics. probably.', something like that reaction from thag youtuber's.
some glanced-only levels of small lore remembrances of those kinds of people when them just quickly experiencing, reacting to the era of the situations of the UCN/helghan-Humanity are currently facing with. Unfortunately. average joe's knowledge, yeah.
Sthal: "...Speeches are not my forte"
Also Stahl: gives a truly fantastic speech worthy of not only Scolar Visari's approval, but his personal broadcast for addressing the Helghast people. And does so completely unscripted, might I add.
69 likes, nice.
I'm sure it was scripted, he is an intelligent political actor
@@thevalleyard3942He’s not a Politician, he’s a businessman.
He’s automatically better.
@bendigotheshitpostmachine3160 he's still a political actor, he launched a coup at the end of the game lol
at the end of KZ3 the ISA commits genocide...hooray for the heros
to be fair it wasnt an intentional genocide. they were trying to take out stahls ship with the anti life planet weapon he had created and they were unlucky enough for him to avoid their attack and the missiles detonating the petracide vains in helgans crust
"I'll have you know that I'm very triggered with you tying me down to my knees in front of a machine gun. I'm a sovereign citizen of the planet Earth and I do not follow any government's laws."
Earth? Sovereign citizen? *W H A T P L A N E T D O Y O U T H I N K Y O U ' R E O N ! ?*
Helghan offering sjws a reality check lmao
I was so happy i am a helghast at the start but then i turned out to be Sev.. I was devastated :_(
I know right
they gave us hope
Fun fact: Stahl is voiced by Malcolm McDowell
It's not a fun fact. It wasn't funny.
Grow a sense of humour along with some balls
I think if I remember correctly because I haven't played it in a long time he also voiced John Henry Eden the president of the Enclave in Fallout 3..... Right...?
Come to think of it, Stahl actually does look like a younger Malcolm McDowell. I'm getting flashbacks of the Tank Girl movie. If there were a live action movie adaptation of Killzone, Malcolm would clearly both look and sound the part for Stahl.
Visari gave us purpose, and hope... My Father's factory... They gave us the most POWERFUL ARMY THE UNIVERSE HAS EVER KNOWN!!
How could someone not? It's Malcolm fuckin McDowell. An honestly, nobody could have done this role better. Most of his lines are memorable just from they way they were spoken. Especially when he gets angry.
Imagine a Helghan-type unification on Earth. It'd have a high price. No other nations or governments. Make humans coexist or die. If anyone attacks any group, criminals an traitors, kill them until theres pure unity. Live unified and take pride in it, or die. It requires a Visari to lead. Also, an Orlock to oversee senate, given his dedication to both his leader an his people. Radec for military. Merciless and professional. One can always wonder. An also I want one of those awesome uniforms.
Griseus Lupus If that ever happen I'd totally join the military.
And maybe die in the training boot camp.
But IF I survived well I'd have a badass uniform, even more badass helmet, and a nice looking rifle.
Nightmare
Racism against racists, I dig it
A very naive drean considering that ethic conflict will always be inevitable as long as humans exists. This very series is about ethnic conflict.
@@luizfilipe4226 maybe for you...but you just don't have to hate the regime publicly...I mean, Helghast don't seem to discriminate on etnicity, race, gender, etc. They just want Vekta for what the ISA and Vektans have done...
Also the joke from "dying to bootleg camp" is only for Radec's case, which is for the elite of the elite of Helghast. Plus, just don't violate uniform code ;)
Fun fact: Stockholm is the capital of Sweden.
***** My misstake, the muslims must have taken over faster than I thought.
***** I'm seeing it in action right now, I live in Malmö, Sweden's third largest city, where native Swedes are a minority according to some statistics.
***** I don't have enough money to move, in the meantime I'm thinking of buying a ceremonial knife for defense. Me and my friends are also In the process of building a bomb shelter with a food supply of Ikea meatballs, that'll last for about 5 years, so I should be okay.
+Anglo-Nat Yeah, because the anglos never exit of their country or never conquered any other land, because they are the pure race and they aren't Homo Sapiens Sapiens
+terrorcineable And apparently only the Anglos are capable of genocide, colonization, and enslavement? Which might I add, is a standard for Isla- I mean the "religion of peace."
2:04 One of the best quotes in videogames
*history
Also, the whole speech is da best
*FOR HELGHAN!*
Actually, the Helghast have allowed some sympathizers from Vekta to replenish their ranks during their assault on Vekta. Plus, if many humans have cooperated with the Helghast, I believe that our so loved gas-mask guys would use them, instead of killing them. They may be full of hatred, but they're not stupid.
Ikonoborcheskoi They hate the UCN and ISA, not humanity itself. Altough they do have a superiority complex about being the future of mankind!
Lord Inquisiteur Willhelm Von Steiner If I survive that hellhole and made part of a bunch of refuges turn into a galatic super power, yeah I would have a superior complex too.
@@getfreur2458 "I survived helghan and all got is a cool uniform and mask"
@@hydradominatus3661”And also an immunity to chemical weapons, so I guess there’s that.”
Admiral Orlock is displeased.
One might say... outRAGED!
Glory to the helghast
GLORY TO VISARI, OUR FATHER!!!
GLORY TO HELGAN, OUR MOTHER!!!
If you think about it, Stahl just swore on National Television
0:27: I don't know why, but that thud sound when he hit the floor and the camera zoom to the other guys face makes me giggle.
he said "fucking" just to get sure everybody knows its LIVE. - Genious!
Stahl: "Captain Narville do you know who I am?"
Narville: "The asshole from TV...."
Rarity.
It's what I read.
Speeches are not my forte, but hoesty is! Sounds just like me!
Or not. Visari evacuated all of the Helghan citizens before ISA arrived. It says so on the wiki.
Stahl reminds me of The Joker.
Sounds nice.
if not for stahl i couldve seen the helgans coming out very well politically with earth in the situation with how the isa and vekta were told to simply blockade not invade and wait for a formal representative to investigate things
I mean- the ISA even made DNA bombs meant to specifically target and kill all helghast and planed to release it to exterminate all of them.
Yes, his name is Malcolm McDowell.
You know Ive been watching these videos and all the comments are the same, no one likes the ISA and we all love the Helghast so why do we have to play as the ISA?!
Do you know how many people have said the same thing? I think we could make our own Helgan with the numbers alone
God bless The Enclave...I mean The Helghast
2021
2022
...have you guys seen what the latest upload to this channel is?
@wirman777 Well, Guerilla Games is based in Norway. So naturally there's references to European customs and locales and such. Hell, even the assault rifles are bullpup design.
Love it
Eh, I see him more as a mad scientist and deviant.
Well, I don't think you should just automatically say curse words are "adolescent". I think that they have the soldiers overuse the cursing, but with Stahl, I think you see a man who's very deviant. Deviant not only in terms of morals, but the Helghan values as well. He's not a conservative politician or commander, but a capitalist. He planned on exterminating all life on Earth and conquering the entire galaxy, even at the expense of his own people. Not a perfect comparison, but he's the Joker.
Where is the longer Stahl speech?
Anyone else pick up that Malcom McDowell does the voice for Stahl?
No civvies?
Christ Bless Helghan.
@ABelkanProduction stahl did say speeches aren't his forte but honesty is
Don't forget that they're incredibly generic.
Yes
This is your President John Henry E.......oh wait wrong character.....
Stahl has style, that much I'll admit. But he's nothing more than a cocky businessman with a flare for the vernacular and a black pit instead of a heart. None of these things make him nearly half as good a leader as Radec. If that's not evident from the events that transpired in KZ3, I don't know what is.
Stahl remembers me Joker
WHAT PLANET DO YOU THINK YOU'RE ON!
✋🔥🙌🌹✋
As a bad guy he might be good, but as Helghast ideal I believe he just lacks muscle in order to look more intimidating.
@MrKazaddum Who cares about loopholes when you can just ignore everything?
So why not, professor?
ISA WAR IN THE STRONG BROTHER
i think he looks like a mix of ben stiller and the joker :) or not ?
Hmmm Stockholm treaty... just declare the Prisoners to unofficial Combatants and you can do whatever you want :D
Only because the dev team wanted it to be that way .-. Not by any fortidude or advantage on their part.
Now if only he was Radec
All the Helghast soldiers sound the same.
It's more because the ISA are so boring and uncharaterized that the Helghast are so well thought of. People prefer charismatic space nazis to dull, boring protagonists who are the good guys because the story says so.
ndalum75 They could have made the ISA like the imperial guard prefarably an entire army of soldiers who with numbers, dedication,fire power and deep philospical understanding of war it would improve their reputation by a long shot
I'll play another Killzone game when I can play as the Helghast. Fuck the ISA.
The only game that I wish the bad guys could win, sorry but helghast empire forever, vecta for death
No no. Vekta for Helghasts. It is even named after the CEO of Helghan Corporation, Philips Vekta
Why does he say 'my fellow Helghans'? Shouldn't it be 'my fellow Helghast'?
no stop in movie in fun killzone 3
everybody likes mustaches =D
Its time for some new fucking management if i could Become president or if i ran (although im only 14) i would be like "its time for some new fucking management!!!!!" just like him not to mention its true
Alright, President eden, we know you like to do speeches
I am pro helghan. But to say isa "commited" genocide after KZ 3 is not all true. To commit something is to have intention on what ever consequences happen after. When the means justifies the ends thats what would be genocidal. Launching a nuke at a cruiser that yes was ready to do genocide to others was just a way to get rid of it and stahl but not even stahl cared to consider a chemical reaction when enough radiated petrusite gets released into upper atmosphere. There was no way to know that in the 6 months or so since finding the first samples of radiopetrusite from the pyrrhis bomb
Time for new fucking management! :D
Stahlin
"Speeches are not my forte." BULLSHIT.
That is a good line isn't it :P
0:43 make a funny video of this * SHOW TIME* !
@wirman777 Havent you heard of the stockholm treaty?
*facepalm*
obvious troll is obvious
really ?
No it shouldn't
Spoilers, spoilers everywhere!
Stahl is my hero
I hope no one here think I am some evil betraying monster like Stahl is.
Uhh how does everyone know how you sound..?
it's because people feel a sense of Nationalism by watching the Helghast being victimised although not realising that if the Killzone story was true they would be killed for trying to help the Helghast by both the ISA forces and the Helghast forces
The ISA war machine will always win!
Helghast are communist, not nationalist.
Sadly, that would be the typical British/Eurpopean, who believes Helghan is srz bzness on the internet, on his food stamps. Oh, and I weigh 128lb... You fail.
Really they're Nazis ? - And you do know that Nazi means the National Socialist German Workers' Party ? - Fascist is the term you are looking for.
Stahl is definitely a monster in video games.