I work for a main lubrication company (which I won't name for privacy issues). I'm basically a footman in sales deparment, and yeah, they make it really hard for me to give convincing arguments on clients and engineers as to Why is my brand better? other than, because it's our brand. TDS they all have the same words.
I was in sales for automotive parts for a while. Tried talking to the oil reps about oils. I wanted to know for myself and to be able to better explain and recommend one oil from another to customers but the reps did not tell me much more than they have the best ingredients in them. They either did not know, or there was little difference between the brands.
Hi there Mr LE, greetings from ISRAEL You have a couple of graet fans! We sell those products from the 70s, and love them. As you say' we dont really know they work, and keeping track, maybe you will get to the bottom of this, CHEERS!
2:48 agree with this, a lot of imported Germany oil ( in Indonesia at least) really say what oil bases they're using & stated them on the packaging, something other brand didn't do here (probably because loose/almost non existent regulation).
Here in the Netherlands we sell Polytron. This works specifically with micro lubrication technology. It is a American brand who makes products with this technology. We sell it to consumers, stock cars, also high powered tuned cars, a person with F1 cars, go-kart’s , motorcycles e.t.c. We see less wear, and friction, and also temperature dropes from 5-20degree celcius. Because of this technology the wear will drop upto 95%.
Sounds like the Castrol additive may affect surface hardness, possibly by pulling carbon out of the surface. It would be interesting to see micro-hardness tests of the surface. If that is true, it's not something I want in my gearboxes.
Yep! This is exactly the kind of thing I want to see in marketing material. Without a thorough explanation for the mechanism - why would you take the risk?
Another possibility is a surface effect of sulphur, hydrogen or nitrogen content of the steel. This would affect surface hardness. In the hydrodynamic range this effect may be great, but what is going to stop a surface wear point constantly softening and becoming deeper ?
I have a general question. My father always kept his cars for a long time, as do I, his philosophy was oil is cheap & easy to change, engines are expensive & you’re off the road during the rebuild process. He therefore always changed his oil every 3000 miles & the filter every six. This was before synthetic oils but I tend to follow a similar philosophy, just a bit long for my daily driver & the same 3k but I usually change the filter whilst I’m at it on my classics (MGB & Lotus Elan+2). What would be your recommendation, a more modern oil & if so what grade for these old cars? The Lotus has a rebuilt bottom end with only a few thousand miles on but the MGB has over 100k since the last rebuild?
Zinc and Boron are supposed to adsorb to, and react with surfaces. But in laying down a completely separate antiwear layer you lose control over the final surface roughness, and they're definitely not designed to plastically deform the surface, which this product purports to do.
I picked up a bottle of Castrol Magnatec at the store and couldn't find any mention of ACEA, API, ILSAC, etc. Very strange, and not at all trustworthy IMHO.
I work for a main lubrication company (which I won't name for privacy issues). I'm basically a footman in sales deparment, and yeah, they make it really hard for me to give convincing arguments on clients and engineers as to Why is my brand better? other than, because it's our brand. TDS they all have the same words.
Yeah it’s a problem. The thing is it wouldn’t be hard to provide some more information!
I was in sales for automotive parts for a while. Tried talking to the oil reps about oils. I wanted to know for myself and to be able to better explain and recommend one oil from another to customers but the reps did not tell me much more than they have the best ingredients in them. They either did not know, or there was little difference between the brands.
Learning is never boring, love them.
Excellent in depth explanations
I’d like to see more videos like this. Breaking down the SDS was really useful
Did one on engine oils if you haven’t already seen it -
ruclips.net/video/PWkBMuEPSo8/видео.html
Hi there Mr LE, greetings from ISRAEL
You have a couple of graet fans!
We sell those products from the 70s, and love them.
As you say' we dont really know they work, and keeping track, maybe you will get to the bottom of this,
CHEERS!
Thanks! Yeah it’s mysterious.
2:48 agree with this, a lot of imported Germany oil ( in Indonesia at least) really say what oil bases they're using & stated them on the packaging, something other brand didn't do here (probably because loose/almost non existent regulation).
Yup. Regulation definitely has its place.
Here in the Netherlands we sell Polytron. This works specifically with micro lubrication technology. It is a American brand who makes products with this technology. We sell it to consumers, stock cars, also high powered tuned cars, a person with F1 cars, go-kart’s , motorcycles e.t.c. We see less wear, and friction, and also temperature dropes from 5-20degree celcius.
Because of this technology the wear will drop upto 95%.
Sounds like the Castrol additive may affect surface hardness, possibly by pulling carbon out of the surface. It would be interesting to see micro-hardness tests of the surface. If that is true, it's not something I want in my gearboxes.
Yep! This is exactly the kind of thing I want to see in marketing material. Without a thorough explanation for the mechanism - why would you take the risk?
Another possibility is a surface effect of sulphur, hydrogen or nitrogen content of the steel. This would affect surface hardness. In the hydrodynamic range this effect may be great, but what is going to stop a surface wear point constantly softening and becoming deeper ?
Would like to hear you about OEM specifications mentioned in industrial gear oil data sheets
Will get round to it someday!
I have a general question. My father always kept his cars for a long time, as do I, his philosophy was oil is cheap & easy to change, engines are expensive & you’re off the road during the rebuild process. He therefore always changed his oil every 3000 miles & the filter every six. This was before synthetic oils but I tend to follow a similar philosophy, just a bit long for my daily driver & the same 3k but I usually change the filter whilst I’m at it on my classics (MGB & Lotus Elan+2).
What would be your recommendation, a more modern oil & if so what grade for these old cars? The Lotus has a rebuilt bottom end with only a few thousand miles on but the MGB has over 100k since the last rebuild?
Isn't that what zinc and boron do. From reading they supposedly deposit in low spots of mating surfaces smoothening the surface.
Zinc and Boron are supposed to adsorb to, and react with surfaces. But in laying down a completely separate antiwear layer you lose control over the final surface roughness, and they're definitely not designed to plastically deform the surface, which this product purports to do.
I picked up a bottle of Castrol Magnatec at the store and couldn't find any mention of ACEA, API, ILSAC, etc. Very strange, and not at all trustworthy IMHO.
Very kindly ask you. Whenever you explain theory, please draw a diagram . we could understand very well. thank you and take care.....
Thanks for the feedback!
Synchromech for yellow metals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANSI/AGMA
first i thought modtc, but that´s different chemistry.
Yeah that was my initial reaction.
Castrol , it's bad quality for after market.