This video completely ignores the acquisitions made by Kenny that facilitated their turnaround. Dye, Podsednik, Iguchi, Pierzynski, Contreras... Schuler may have acquired some of the pre-existing players, but it wasn't until Kenny's moves happened that they gelled as a team and started to win. Very poorly made video all around.
I don't ever recall Kenny Williams putting on a Jersey and go out an blow those games... Y'all always want to take credit from a man of color and give it to someone else! The White Sox was in position to win in a few of those seasons after 05 and the players just could not hold up their end of it. How do you start 23-10 and blow? How do you blow a 9 game lead and blow? How do you win a blackout game, a game that should've gave you momentum in the playoffs and then look like shit against the Rays, I guess that was Kenny's fault as well? How about the owner that was more concerned about basketball titles than baseball, a sport that he claims to love.... He was more concerned with putting the Sox on cable than winning and that's been the Sox downfall!
@@TC16842 Kenny Williams race has nothing to do with it. You sound like a damn fool. Ultimately its Reinsdorfs fault. He's too loyal to his employees, and not fans. He did the same to the Bulls. Krause actually did a lot of good even after Jordan left.
@@Tornado1994 Sounds like the kind of comment a true Cubs fan. 2020 is going to be the year they blow the Baby Bears out of the water, although I must admit a lot of the Sox's problem was not doing anything to better themselves, always allowing other teams to snatch up choice players, thus always finishing in the second division. Maybe now this will wake them up to continue making deals to keep the team competitive & maybe win a World Series or two. Just what the Sox need, a gm who's a Cubs fan. Traitor. But if the Sox win a World Series, then I'll forgive him. Kind of reminds me of Harry Caray bolting the Sox broadcast booth to the Cubs. Another traitor.
One big thing you forgot to mention is that the White Sox were horrible in the following years in their farm system, they didn’t draft good and didn’t develop well in their system. They also signed way too many aging free agents to starter roles who were past their prime
Nope. The White Sux are suffering from Karma for buying the 2005 World Series from Selig. While the Astros won 2017 and are headed back to the WS this year.
I think the main reason the Sox went down after 2005 was the trade of Aaron Rowand and the release of Frank Thomas. Yes Jim Thome was a monster offensively but the trade of Rowand left a big gap in center field. His replacement Brian Anderson was not big league ready. And Frank Thomas was let go and ended up having a MVP caliber year in 2006. Also Detroit was just loaded with talent. Plus that 6 man rotation would've helped them tremendously. Jose Contreras was getting older and probably couldve used an extra day off. Javier Vazquez and Freddy Garcia were now in their 30s and probably would've benefited from an extra day off.
@@claydouglas2526 I agree and disagree. As a life long Sox fan. I woulda been nice to see are best offensive player in the clubs history hit his 500th homer in black n white. Not to mention retiring with the team that drafted him. He did have a productive season in Oakland in '06 and was decent with Toronto in '07. But with Thome you got a lefty power hitter that was still capable of giving Konerko a day off at 1st (if needed?). Start whoever had seen/hit off pitchers during interleague games (pre NL DH). Thome was also from Illinois and was as good of a teammate that one possibly ask for. So again it hurt to see both go. Especially when Thome was in Minnesota. Ouch!
Brian Anderson was NEVER MLB ready. The only things he ever did that were worth a shit was save the original blackout game with that diving snag. Oh and go after the Cubs along with Scotty Pods after AJ was hit by that bitch Michael Barrett
I will never forget that game against the Mets. I'm from NJ so I only get to Chicago every so often but of course I saw that one. Luckily Alexei walked it off the next half inning.
as of November 26th 2019 the Sox are ascending and our fan base is finally going to have good things to look forward to. The cubs blew their window and are wasting tremendous amounts of talent and I couldn’t be happier
As a sox fan...the Cubs won the world series in their window. Window wasn't blown but it was slammed shut shortly after 2017 thanks to Theo Epstein and Joe Maddons constant questionable managing.
I say they blew there window because they only ended up with 1 ws title never even making it back. With their roster 2015 and 2017 were massive blown opportunities imo. Fuck the cubs go Sox
Imo when we got thome and Dunn I did not like it. They were two power hitters on the decline. True they had good numbers before but we as an organization have never been good at bringing sluggers in from another organization. Remember Albert Belle and his 55 million contract. Aside from bringing in Bo Jackson and saving his career, we pretty much never have been good at bringing big names in here for big bucks. Remember David Wells and John walkout Kruk. We are way better at developing our own talent, Frank Thomas, Maggio ordonez, Carlos Lee, Aaron Rowan, Joe Capt comeback crede, mark burhle, to name a few of the many. 2005 we did it on pure talent, team work, and exceptional coaching. We did it with guys we brought up from our system with a few brought in through FA and trades. Jump to 2019/2020. And we have the building to bring us back to where we need to be. True we need starting/relief pitching, but we have the talent to bring us to the playoffs. We really need a dome lol, it stays to cold in the Chi to be risking our talent from injury.
Good video. Very perceptive and accurate on Williams and Hahn. Completely overrated. Disagree on Thome trade. This actually changed the offensive style of the team. They went from a “motion” team to a “station to station” team. 2005 DH Everett could hit and run, to some degree. Thome had more power but no speed, so middle of Sox lineup became a DP waiting to happen. Rowland was a sound, if unspectacular, CF and part of core that developed into 2005 team. Sox had no replacement for him in center. Plus key setup men, Politte and Coots, did not duplicate 2005 success. Politte actually hurt arm and out of baseball almost immediately after 2005. Williams also traded pitching depth. Finally, White Sox seemingly lost their strength and conditioning coach, as Jenks, Thome - Dunn, and Pierzynski we’re consistently way over weight and out of shape. Finally, Guillen lost control of the team. He didn’t like slow sluggers like Thomas, Lee, and Ordonez, yet gets totally immobile Thome and Dunn. My belief is Guillen May have had a drinking issue, as his behavior became very erratic, even more so in Miami, and no one has hired since. Sad, as he could have managed White Sox forever after winning World Series.
Williams and Hahn are terrible, just like Paxson and Foreman, Reinsdorf only wants yes men, it's a dam shame, however 2005 was magical, I went to so many games that year, Aaron's amigos, Paulie Paulie Paulie, Pierzynski, Crede, Dye, Scotty Pods, Iguchi, Everett, nothing but clutch Uribe, how many game walk offs he have that year, 6, 7, unbelievable, the pitching staff was studs, Contreras, Sweaty Freddie, Garland, El du que, and the soul of the team Buerhle, I honestly, in a 7 game series, would put that team against anyone all time, they had everything you want, power hitting check, Paulie, Crede, Dye, speed check, Pods and the bench had a couple speedy guys, defense was undeniable, Rowand, Crede, Uribe, Iguchi, Dye had a decent arm, and Pods could cover 300ft of outfield, Clutch was thru the roof, Paulie, Crede, Uribe, Pods, Pierzynski, Bobby Jenks, even the rest of the bullpen had a great year, Cotts, Marte, Viscieno, Politte, Hermanson before he got hurt, the Hall of Famer got injured and the team didn't miss a beat, some might say got better. the collapse was Kenny trading Rowand, Crede getting injured, and the pitching staff wasnt as good, I forget that one starting pitcher they signed who couldn't even get past the 5th inning and they extended him, I called ESPN radio and got booted off the air for swearing after they did that, Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn should have been gone, but the ownership is cheap as hell, oh well, they got something going now, just need some pitching and a manager, unless they catch lightning in a bottle, 2020 should be a good year, but the possibilities are there Go Sox
@@jamesrowe8953 Hahn doesn't call the shots, William's does, I will give them credit, since the Sale trade they have gotten their shit together, but what took 10 years to decide to start trying?
@@dariog36th Hindsight is 20/20, though. After '05, Frank Thomas was a free agent and 37 years old. Between 2001-05, He missed 381 games, playing only 34 games in '05. I would have let him walk if Thome was available. What really smarts is the Chris Young for Javier Vazquez deal, especially because Arizona had initially wanted Brian Anderson as the young outfield piece.
@@drewfansler Chris Young would've been better. At least he had a higher batting average than Anderson and could field better. I liked Vasquez But the gave up too much for him. And seeing Rowand hit .300 and win gold glove in Philly was painful when seeing Anderson playing.
I wouldn't call it a collapse as there wasn't really a build-up. They made some interesting moves going into 2005, alot of the players (namely the pitching) had career years all at the same time that season. They had a consistent clutch factor, but I think even as a sox fan it was obvious it was a flash in the pan, not a sustainable long term "dynasty" run
Yeah they actually surprised me because I didn't think they would be even as good as they were in '04 after they traded Carlos Lee and they didn't resign Magglio Ordonez and replaced them with Podsednik and Dye who was coming off of a few bad years. They could've maybe made another run the next season but they traded Rowand and even though Thome was great it made the Sox go back to relying on the 3 run homerun instead of playing Ozzie ball. Not to mention Rowand was a huge clubhouse favorite.
@@jesusshuttlesworth8972 yea pitching and defense was the 05 motto, until 06 when we traded defense for a homerun hitter which I think was a mistake despite Thome being a solid player
Good insight.... It does make me want to credit Schuler more than I had. That said, don't overlook the preseason addition of Scott Podsednik, who has a huge driving force on this team. I don't think the World Series win happens without him and it was a very risky move when it happened.
Hell yea, I said that trade, Carlos Lee, a 30 hr 100 rbi guy, for Scotty was either the worse thing or the best thing that could have happened, but the trade for Thome was bad, Rowand was the heart of the defense, Kenny had one good year and the rest is mediocre
This year was such an anomaly it still baffles me. I'm a Red Sox fan and I really thought my team could have been a dynasty, all they had to do was in 2005 and and they had already won 2007 anyways.
2020 we can do this. If our guys play as they are capable. No serious holes on our roster. Lots of great young ballplayers Lets hope Encarnacion and Abreu hit 40+ hrs and guys like Nova and Giolito pitch well
I wouldn’t say there the worst team in baseball they are not as good as they were is 2005 but they seem to have made very good Decisions this off season
That would be quite fun. But, unfortunately, we seem to be on the decline over here on the North Side. We've got some good hitters in the minors and majors, but if you guys can wait until maybe 2024, we could meet in the World Series, which would be insanely fun!
Mom can we get secret base?
Mom: no we have secret base at home
Secret base at home:
At least Jon Bois is in the video.
Well, I think it's pretty neat
Ok I spit my coffee out in laughter w this one
This video completely ignores the acquisitions made by Kenny that facilitated their turnaround. Dye, Podsednik, Iguchi, Pierzynski, Contreras... Schuler may have acquired some of the pre-existing players, but it wasn't until Kenny's moves happened that they gelled as a team and started to win. Very poorly made video all around.
Great video I hope my Sox learn from the past so we can make 2021 our year
@@Tornado1994 At least they didn't cheat like the Astros.
I don't ever recall Kenny Williams putting on a Jersey and go out an blow those games... Y'all always want to take credit from a man of color and give it to someone else! The White Sox was in position to win in a few of those seasons after 05 and the players just could not hold up their end of it. How do you start 23-10 and blow? How do you blow a 9 game lead and blow? How do you win a blackout game, a game that should've gave you momentum in the playoffs and then look like shit against the Rays, I guess that was Kenny's fault as well? How about the owner that was more concerned about basketball titles than baseball, a sport that he claims to love.... He was more concerned with putting the Sox on cable than winning and that's been the Sox downfall!
Tornado1994 based on what there doing right now, they can change that
@@TC16842 Kenny Williams race has nothing to do with it. You sound like a damn fool. Ultimately its Reinsdorfs fault. He's too loyal to his employees, and not fans. He did the same to the Bulls. Krause actually did a lot of good even after Jordan left.
@@Tornado1994 Sounds like the kind of comment a true Cubs fan. 2020 is going to be the year they blow the Baby Bears out of the water, although I must admit a lot of the Sox's problem was not doing anything to better themselves, always allowing other teams to snatch up choice players, thus always finishing in the second division. Maybe now this will wake them up to continue making deals to keep the team competitive & maybe win a World Series or two. Just what the Sox need, a gm who's a Cubs fan. Traitor. But if the Sox win a World Series, then I'll forgive him. Kind of reminds me of Harry Caray bolting the Sox broadcast booth to the Cubs. Another traitor.
One big thing you forgot to mention is that the White Sox were horrible in the following years in their farm system, they didn’t draft good and didn’t develop well in their system. They also signed way too many aging free agents to starter roles who were past their prime
Now it's the curse of Kenny Williams.
Yes they collapsed after 2005 save for 2008 but they have that WS title but as of 2019 the Cubs could be heading down and the Sox could be heading up
Nope. The White Sux are suffering from Karma for buying the 2005 World Series from Selig.
While the Astros won 2017 and are headed back to the WS this year.
Did the SOX really buy the 2005 Championship from Selling? one of my replies said they did
@@michaelleroy9281 There has never been proof of that or even a discussion about that so I'm gonna go with they didn't.
@@alexaviermunoz_5443 Why would the commissioner help a team buy a World Series title?
@@kevinmiller1985 🤷♂️ don't think it's even true so don't ask me.
Thome was traded to the Dodgers at the trade deadline. He signed with the Twins the NEXT year.
But they had an oppurtunity to bring him back and chose not to.
I think the main reason the Sox went down after 2005 was the trade of Aaron Rowand and the release of Frank Thomas. Yes Jim Thome was a monster offensively but the trade of Rowand left a big gap in center field. His replacement Brian Anderson was not big league ready. And Frank Thomas was let go and ended up having a MVP caliber year in 2006. Also Detroit was just loaded with talent. Plus that 6 man rotation would've helped them tremendously. Jose Contreras was getting older and probably couldve used an extra day off. Javier Vazquez and Freddy Garcia were now in their 30s and probably would've benefited from an extra day off.
Thomas for Thome was an upgrade
@@claydouglas2526 I agree and disagree. As a life long Sox fan. I woulda been nice to see are best offensive player in the clubs history hit his 500th homer in black n white. Not to mention retiring with the team that drafted him. He did have a productive season in Oakland in '06 and was decent with Toronto in '07.
But with Thome you got a lefty power hitter that was still capable of giving Konerko a day off at 1st (if needed?). Start whoever had seen/hit off pitchers during interleague games (pre NL DH). Thome was also from Illinois and was as good of a teammate that one possibly ask for. So again it hurt to see both go. Especially when Thome was in Minnesota. Ouch!
Brian Anderson was NEVER MLB ready. The only things he ever did that were worth a shit was save the original blackout game with that diving snag. Oh and go after the Cubs along with Scotty Pods after AJ was hit by that bitch Michael Barrett
I thought this was a video from SBNation... currently called Secret Base. Feels like false advertisement!
You need to check your stats. They have not been the worst team in baseball.
From 2013-2018 they had the worst record overall.
I will never forget that game against the Mets. I'm from NJ so I only get to Chicago every so often but of course I saw that one. Luckily Alexei walked it off the next half inning.
Same here, usually go to yankee stadium when they face them. It’s our time now.
@@israeldelarosa1077 Definitely excited to check it out this year. Last time I went Sale was pitching and he definitely didn't disappoint that night.
Mike haha I think I went to this game as well. I’m waiting to see the ticket prices for the field of dreams. A trip down to Iowa I’m hurt nobody.
sound quality on the schueler section is terrible sorry, had to stop watching
Yeah I think I might have to redo that part.
Here is a repost with better sound quality: ruclips.net/video/qu5wkodZOEc/видео.html
as of November 26th 2019 the Sox are ascending and our fan base is finally going to have good things to look forward to. The cubs blew their window and are wasting tremendous amounts of talent and I couldn’t be happier
As a sox fan...the Cubs won the world series in their window. Window wasn't blown but it was slammed shut shortly after 2017 thanks to Theo Epstein and Joe Maddons constant questionable managing.
I say they blew there window because they only ended up with 1 ws title never even making it back. With their roster 2015 and 2017 were massive blown opportunities imo. Fuck the cubs go Sox
Add Edwin to that
@@BKbandits5 Amen, brother.
Whose ready for the dynasty?’
Look at the white sox 2021 season...
Imo when we got thome and Dunn I did not like it. They were two power hitters on the decline. True they had good numbers before but we as an organization have never been good at bringing sluggers in from another organization. Remember Albert Belle and his 55 million contract. Aside from bringing in Bo Jackson and saving his career, we pretty much never have been good at bringing big names in here for big bucks. Remember David Wells and John walkout Kruk.
We are way better at developing our own talent, Frank Thomas, Maggio ordonez, Carlos Lee, Aaron Rowan, Joe Capt comeback crede, mark burhle, to name a few of the many. 2005 we did it on pure talent, team work, and exceptional coaching. We did it with guys we brought up from our system with a few brought in through FA and trades. Jump to 2019/2020. And we have the building to bring us back to where we need to be. True we need starting/relief pitching, but we have the talent to bring us to the playoffs. We really need a dome lol, it stays to cold in the Chi to be risking our talent from injury.
They were milking ticket sales. Cf and ss won rings at sanfran. They did not want to pay Buhrle. 15 years of bleakness.
Through thick and thin , GO WHITE SOX!!!
This video aged extremely well.
Red Sox collapsed in 2005 after winning it all in 2004, before more 'roids were given out to players to get them back in 2007.
From what I remember, the White Sox didn't dominate that World Series. Yes it was a sweep, but all four games were very close.
Good video. Very perceptive and accurate on Williams and Hahn. Completely overrated. Disagree on Thome trade. This actually changed the offensive style of the team. They went from a “motion” team to a “station to station” team. 2005 DH Everett could hit and run, to some degree. Thome had more power but no speed, so middle of Sox lineup became a DP waiting to happen. Rowland was a sound, if unspectacular, CF and part of core that developed into 2005 team. Sox had no replacement for him in center. Plus key setup men, Politte and Coots, did not duplicate 2005 success. Politte actually hurt arm and out of baseball almost immediately after 2005. Williams also traded pitching depth. Finally, White Sox seemingly lost their strength and conditioning coach, as Jenks, Thome - Dunn, and Pierzynski we’re consistently way over weight and out of shape. Finally, Guillen lost control of the team. He didn’t like slow sluggers like Thomas, Lee, and Ordonez, yet gets totally immobile Thome and Dunn. My belief is Guillen May have had a drinking issue, as his behavior became very erratic, even more so in Miami, and no one has hired since. Sad, as he could have managed White Sox forever after winning World Series.
Williams and Hahn are terrible, just like Paxson and Foreman, Reinsdorf only wants yes men, it's a dam shame, however 2005 was magical, I went to so many games that year, Aaron's amigos, Paulie Paulie Paulie, Pierzynski, Crede, Dye, Scotty Pods, Iguchi, Everett, nothing but clutch Uribe, how many game walk offs he have that year, 6, 7, unbelievable, the pitching staff was studs, Contreras, Sweaty Freddie, Garland, El du que, and the soul of the team Buerhle, I honestly, in a 7 game series, would put that team against anyone all time, they had everything you want, power hitting check, Paulie, Crede, Dye, speed check, Pods and the bench had a couple speedy guys, defense was undeniable, Rowand, Crede, Uribe, Iguchi, Dye had a decent arm, and Pods could cover 300ft of outfield, Clutch was thru the roof, Paulie, Crede, Uribe, Pods, Pierzynski, Bobby Jenks, even the rest of the bullpen had a great year, Cotts, Marte, Viscieno, Politte, Hermanson before he got hurt, the Hall of Famer got injured and the team didn't miss a beat, some might say got better. the collapse was Kenny trading Rowand, Crede getting injured, and the pitching staff wasnt as good, I forget that one starting pitcher they signed who couldn't even get past the 5th inning and they extended him, I called ESPN radio and got booted off the air for swearing after they did that, Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn should have been gone, but the ownership is cheap as hell, oh well, they got something going now, just need some pitching and a manager, unless they catch lightning in a bottle, 2020 should be a good year, but the possibilities are there Go Sox
Lol javi vazquez
@@donledin6498 yea, that guy was a National League pitcher at best
Hahn is a pretty damn good GM
@@jamesrowe8953 Hahn doesn't call the shots, William's does, I will give them credit, since the Sale trade they have gotten their shit together, but what took 10 years to decide to start trying?
@@FrankensteinDC That's not even remotely true
Club house presence is important they should never have gotten rid of Rowan or Thomas. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Trading Rowand left a big gap in center field, and Thomas had a MVP caliber year in Oakland and lead them to the playoffs.
@@dariog36th Hindsight is 20/20, though. After '05, Frank Thomas was a free agent and 37 years old. Between 2001-05, He missed 381 games, playing only 34 games in '05. I would have let him walk if Thome was available.
What really smarts is the Chris Young for Javier Vazquez deal, especially because Arizona had initially wanted Brian Anderson as the young outfield piece.
@@drewfansler Chris Young would've been better. At least he had a higher batting average than Anderson and could field better. I liked Vasquez But the gave up too much for him. And seeing Rowand hit .300 and win gold glove in Philly was painful when seeing Anderson playing.
I wouldn't call it a collapse as there wasn't really a build-up. They made some interesting moves going into 2005, alot of the players (namely the pitching) had career years all at the same time that season. They had a consistent clutch factor, but I think even as a sox fan it was obvious it was a flash in the pan, not a sustainable long term "dynasty" run
Yeah they actually surprised me because I didn't think they would be even as good as they were in '04 after they traded Carlos Lee and they didn't resign Magglio Ordonez and replaced them with Podsednik and Dye who was coming off of a few bad years. They could've maybe made another run the next season but they traded Rowand and even though Thome was great it made the Sox go back to relying on the 3 run homerun instead of playing Ozzie ball. Not to mention Rowand was a huge clubhouse favorite.
@@jesusshuttlesworth8972 yea pitching and defense was the 05 motto, until 06 when we traded defense for a homerun hitter which I think was a mistake despite Thome being a solid player
Your stuttering and random noises really detract from this. Re-record.
This is a great video but
I will say that the Tatis trade is way overused like we get it the Sox traded Tatis
Good insight.... It does make me want to credit Schuler more than I had. That said, don't overlook the preseason addition of Scott Podsednik, who has a huge driving force on this team. I don't think the World Series win happens without him and it was a very risky move when it happened.
Hell yea, I said that trade, Carlos Lee, a 30 hr 100 rbi guy, for Scotty was either the worse thing or the best thing that could have happened, but the trade for Thome was bad, Rowand was the heart of the defense, Kenny had one good year and the rest is mediocre
you mean cheating? Yeah, that does certainly help!
This year was such an anomaly it still baffles me. I'm a Red Sox fan and I really thought my team could have been a dynasty, all they had to do was in 2005 and and they had already won 2007 anyways.
Seems like they Sox might be back
2020 we can do this. If our guys play as they are capable. No serious holes on our roster. Lots of great young ballplayers Lets hope Encarnacion and Abreu hit 40+ hrs and guys like Nova and Giolito pitch well
Aa JV I think this team is going to the World Series.
Anything with Jon Bois in it automatically gets a like from me
I wouldn’t say there the worst team in baseball they are not as good as they were is 2005 but they seem to have made very good Decisions this off season
I’m just hoping for a Cubs Sox ws tht will be the greatest game ever played & great video dude 👍🏻 #baseballisbetter
That would be quite fun. But, unfortunately, we seem to be on the decline over here on the North Side. We've got some good hitters in the minors and majors, but if you guys can wait until maybe 2024, we could meet in the World Series, which would be insanely fun!
1906 WS
White Sox won
@@chicagolandnation635 how about one this millenium?
I want an all Chicago World Series before I die
Ratos JR could’ve been ours lol
LETS GO WHITE SOX
Let's make it 2020, on waiting for 2021. We need it now
@@tinocontreras5105 Yes. Yankees suck. They don't need any more World Series titles.
Nice vid bro
Bro edit out your mouth noises please
Great video.
Making a Cubs collapse vid?
From what time period? They've collapsed so many times lol. Good idea though.
Maybe 98’ or just go straight for 03’
@@jakeadams9353 I made the Cubs collapse video. ruclips.net/video/t_0zVn5cx4A/видео.html
They need some help period!!!!