I agree with most of your points here execpt for the bit at 18:42 AAA does still have a desire to inovate. They have a desire to inovate their monetization to always make it more predatory, schemey and exploiting as possible! Great video!
Worshipping blindly at the altar of a corporation is always a weird mindset to me. If you’re given crap, you have every right to complain about it. To act like you can’t is insane.
Some people in the entertainment industry think that simply because they made something, everyone must pour money out upon them. They do not want to comprehend that they are working for the customers. It is part of why the first games industry bust took place. Gamers are people with lives beyond being consumers, and if the industry thinks they have a right to the public's money, they will fail.
@@dirkbsilver9260 - they simultaneously look down on gamers for wasting our time and then want our money. We wouldn't voluntarily be a maligned population in society if it doesn't fill an emotional need
Honestly, I'm at the point where even if it IS an absolutely unmissable, perfect, flawless game and an ACTUAL 10/10 I don't need it. Even if they are not specifically, personally attacking ME (they absolutely did for DA, and I'll NEVER forgive that), I won't buy it anymore. They are SALESPEOPLE. They are in CUSTOMER SERVICE. They are SELLING a product. If I go into a caryard, it doesn't matter how much I want THAT car, if the salesperson is rude to ANYONE in that caryard, I'll walk right out again and never go back. I'm fucking exhausted from watching these muppets acting as if they are the second coming, when they're basically washed up hacks with more ego than sense. It takes YEARS to build a good reputation, but it takes one stupid comment to destroy it all. Ubisoft, BIoWare, Blizzard and and EA have said MANY stupid comments. I don't even care if they're saying those comments to assholes or nice people, if you want my money you'll be a nice person. Period. Show some fucking humility. I. Don't. Need. Their. Games. Their behaviour means I don't even WANT their games. I'll just hang out with my dog and do some diamond painting. I have other hobbies, so when they say "don't like it don't buy it", my immediate reaction these days is "OK!". 🤷
I'd imagine the root of this idea of all labor is equal in value falls back to marxist roots in theory. The problem, as always, is specialization of labor, and different levels of performance and skill ends up with varying levels of quality. These people have yet to prove they can outperform, or even meet indie competition that has a fraction of the budget or workforce.
Obviously, the best business practice is to publicly insult and ridicule your potential customers. Everyone loves to give money and support to people who openly despise them. /s
I agree, I've been playing more indie game past 4 years. I've been sick of people thinking they control me and my money. They think they're punk and counter culture and shit. If needed to be, I'll sail the high seas than supporting people that hate me.
Hey remember you're an economic terrorist if you don't buy the slock that they shill. Just remember that when you go to the store and you think maybe I should buy this video game. I'm on the, I'm just paying for my food until everything else comes to a lower price, Budget Terry plan.
This is why they want streaming services etc. They can force you to pay for content you don't want and that nobody watches. Although Disney seemed to believe Willow and The Acolyte may have more than 1 viewer
Awww, puppies. Also, those companies that forget who pays them money are companies doomed to fail. Post-Script: After an EMP, I'm playing old school RPGs like Pathfinder or Traveller or (this one didn't have legs but I loved it) Deadlands. Gamers will game, come what may.
Media companies are slow to adjust to new headwinds. What we're seeing now in gaming is similar to when the film studios cranked out cowboy movies after the genre had become saturated. Then they cranked out action films & buddy cop movies until those faltered. The public isn't tired of games. We've reached peak (woke) or activist saturation in our entertainment. It isn't that we don't tolerate social commentary in our media, but the artist has to employ tact & subtlety. I didn't know Starship Troopers was a commentary on the sliding scale between patriotism, nationalism, & fascism when I first saw the movie 30 years ago. I saw guns, good looking women, & bugs getting splattered. Enjoying the presentation of the art led me to dive into it more deeply. I didn't see the critiques of late-stage capitalism in Blade Runner as a kid. There were spooky robots & a guy with a gun. The same is true with Tolkien or Star Trek, or anything which is artistic storytelling but also weaves nuggets of ideas to reward the person who continues going back to the well and in doing so finds new things to learn inside it. These game developers earn the title of hacks because they lack the skill to use such subtlety when conveying their ideas. Then again, hammer & sickle fans aren't known for their depth of thought.
I'm probably not the only one to rewind & watch the puppies again. They're adorable, a word I rarely use and almost never when describing a human. Just tell Yvonne, "You're turning violet, Violet!"
it's easy to say screw the customers, and mean it, when you honestly believe they don't matter to you. it's their boss's problem or their company's problem. all that matters to them is owning the CHUDs. it isn't enough to simply NOT buy their products. it's time to quit outing bad employees and moronic talking heads who have no horse in the race. it's time to out the people who hire and retain them (both of them). if that's the ceo, then investors need to be told about how that ceo is a fiduciary liability...
The thing that I think a lot of game devs, and those covering for them, forget is indeed that massive pile of shovelware and just genuinely bad games that do come out as the natural process of creating new games. A youtube channel that I follow - ZetaPlays - is honestly such a good show of this process. He has been on a quest that's spanned more than 15 years now where he wanted to play - not necessarily complete - every single NES, SNES, and Sega Genesis game that exists, and it is very rare for him to find a game that's genuinely good or different from the rest. Not to mention there are a good deal that just straight up don't work or are simply prototypes and such.
I think it was the DC Rebirth that really made me see this trend. I had a Green Arrow subscription my sister in law got me because Arrow was popular at the time. Starting with issue 1, with worse art and worse character designs, everything was hyper political. Anything in the news was guaranteed to be included in the comic, but heavily exaggerated. Most notably IMO an oil pipeline being built through Native American land. In the comic the evil company building it hired hillbillies to run over protestors with ATVs. I just wanted to enjoy a comic about a superhero who was also on TV at the time and instead the writers made it a political hit piece. So I cancelled my subscription. What really gets me is that, when people in all these different forms of entertainment media want to tell a story that reflects current day issues, when they think they’re going to make the next Citizen Kane or The Pianist, they don’t actually have anything insightful to offer. They just say “hey you saw this thing in the news? Well here it is again.” You’re also right that there seems to be a sense of entitlement that these individuals think we absolutely have to buy and consume their content. Or they say that, for everyone who nopes out, they’ll gain multiple more consumers who used to feel excluded. But I think it’s getting obvious now that people almost universally don’t like this.
I started playing exclusively older games. New hardware costs premium and new games are very expensive, with base prices of 70€ that generally go at least to 80€ for the slightly better edition. And they often flaunt not giving players what they want, and often in particularly stupid ways, like DQ III or Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster. So I play the older, cheaper original works.
I probably should have said Czech, but considering its cultural music, I don't feel like it's a huge gaffe. Besides, I'm old, I forget these things. Realistically, Bohemian may have been a more appropriate term.
Indie games have the freedom of creativity and innovation. The gaming industry is stuck on the same business model for the games coming out, monetize it. People just want something fun to play and not be a investment long term.
How did we get here? Oh... right. Folks boasting 'inclusivity' being pretty hard liner about 'safe spaces'. AKA toxic positivity bubble and confirmation bias. Unfortunately, the undercurrent of discriminatory policies also doesn't help. Then again, they forgot that it's their games and our choices.
I've liked thousands of games purely because they obeyed the social contract. I want to buy a piece of work that has integrity and they've built a world I want to experience. I played baldurs gate 1,2,3 and pathfinder kingmaker, wrath of the righteous, Deus ex more hours than I can count.
I do feel like people have been getting better an highlighting and calling out these morons who keep thinking its a good idea to antagonize their CUSTOMER base, so I'm looking on the bright side of things and having a laugh at the these clowns freaking out all the time lol.
I agree with most of your points here execpt for the bit at 18:42 AAA does still have a desire to inovate.
They have a desire to inovate their monetization to always make it more predatory, schemey and exploiting as possible! Great video!
They're lagging behind double AAs then. I mean where would one even class gacha games?
Worshipping blindly at the altar of a corporation is always a weird mindset to me. If you’re given crap, you have every right to complain about it. To act like you can’t is insane.
Some people in the entertainment industry think that simply because they made something, everyone must pour money out upon them. They do not want to comprehend that they are working for the customers. It is part of why the first games industry bust took place. Gamers are people with lives beyond being consumers, and if the industry thinks they have a right to the public's money, they will fail.
@@dirkbsilver9260 - they simultaneously look down on gamers for wasting our time and then want our money. We wouldn't voluntarily be a maligned population in society if it doesn't fill an emotional need
Honestly, I'm at the point where even if it IS an absolutely unmissable, perfect, flawless game and an ACTUAL 10/10 I don't need it. Even if they are not specifically, personally attacking ME (they absolutely did for DA, and I'll NEVER forgive that), I won't buy it anymore. They are SALESPEOPLE. They are in CUSTOMER SERVICE. They are SELLING a product. If I go into a caryard, it doesn't matter how much I want THAT car, if the salesperson is rude to ANYONE in that caryard, I'll walk right out again and never go back.
I'm fucking exhausted from watching these muppets acting as if they are the second coming, when they're basically washed up hacks with more ego than sense. It takes YEARS to build a good reputation, but it takes one stupid comment to destroy it all. Ubisoft, BIoWare, Blizzard and and EA have said MANY stupid comments. I don't even care if they're saying those comments to assholes or nice people, if you want my money you'll be a nice person. Period. Show some fucking humility. I. Don't. Need. Their. Games. Their behaviour means I don't even WANT their games. I'll just hang out with my dog and do some diamond painting. I have other hobbies, so when they say "don't like it don't buy it", my immediate reaction these days is "OK!". 🤷
Overall I agree with your post.
Still laughing at "if you want my money be nice, period. Show some F🎸💢💥ing humility. "😂
I'd imagine the root of this idea of all labor is equal in value falls back to marxist roots in theory.
The problem, as always, is specialization of labor, and different levels of performance and skill ends up with varying levels of quality.
These people have yet to prove they can outperform, or even meet indie competition that has a fraction of the budget or workforce.
Obviously, the best business practice is to publicly insult and ridicule your potential customers. Everyone loves to give money and support to people who openly despise them. /s
Superliminal marketing. "Hey Looser buy this or we'll question your morals online and say you hate gehys."
I agree, I've been playing more indie game past 4 years. I've been sick of people thinking they control me and my money. They think they're punk and counter culture and shit.
If needed to be, I'll sail the high seas than supporting people that hate me.
Your game, our choice. I keep seeing Fuentes' slimy mark on the world
Hey remember you're an economic terrorist if you don't buy the slock that they shill. Just remember that when you go to the store and you think maybe I should buy this video game. I'm on the, I'm just paying for my food until everything else comes to a lower price, Budget Terry plan.
This is why they want streaming services etc. They can force you to pay for content you don't want and that nobody watches. Although Disney seemed to believe Willow and The Acolyte may have more than 1 viewer
Definitely their plan to underpay big performers to foot the bill for the propaganda they'd wish you'd watch instead.
I loved Frostpunk and still have to play Frostpunk 2 that came out this year, for example, and boost GDP of Poland some more
Awww, puppies. Also, those companies that forget who pays them money are companies doomed to fail.
Post-Script: After an EMP, I'm playing old school RPGs like Pathfinder or Traveller or (this one didn't have legs but I loved it) Deadlands. Gamers will game, come what may.
Media companies are slow to adjust to new headwinds. What we're seeing now in gaming is similar to when the film studios cranked out cowboy movies after the genre had become saturated. Then they cranked out action films & buddy cop movies until those faltered.
The public isn't tired of games. We've reached peak (woke) or activist saturation in our entertainment. It isn't that we don't tolerate social commentary in our media, but the artist has to employ tact & subtlety.
I didn't know Starship Troopers was a commentary on the sliding scale between patriotism, nationalism, & fascism when I first saw the movie 30 years ago. I saw guns, good looking women, & bugs getting splattered. Enjoying the presentation of the art led me to dive into it more deeply. I didn't see the critiques of late-stage capitalism in Blade Runner as a kid. There were spooky robots & a guy with a gun. The same is true with Tolkien or Star Trek, or anything which is artistic storytelling but also weaves nuggets of ideas to reward the person who continues going back to the well and in doing so finds new things to learn inside it.
These game developers earn the title of hacks because they lack the skill to use such subtlety when conveying their ideas. Then again, hammer & sickle fans aren't known for their depth of thought.
I'm probably not the only one to rewind & watch the puppies again. They're adorable, a word I rarely use and almost never when describing a human.
Just tell Yvonne, "You're turning violet, Violet!"
they're growing so fast, Caroline is adorable.
it's easy to say screw the customers, and mean it, when you honestly believe they don't matter to you. it's their boss's problem or their company's problem. all that matters to them is owning the CHUDs. it isn't enough to simply NOT buy their products. it's time to quit outing bad employees and moronic talking heads who have no horse in the race. it's time to out the people who hire and retain them (both of them). if that's the ceo, then investors need to be told about how that ceo is a fiduciary liability...
The thing that I think a lot of game devs, and those covering for them, forget is indeed that massive pile of shovelware and just genuinely bad games that do come out as the natural process of creating new games.
A youtube channel that I follow - ZetaPlays - is honestly such a good show of this process. He has been on a quest that's spanned more than 15 years now where he wanted to play - not necessarily complete - every single NES, SNES, and Sega Genesis game that exists, and it is very rare for him to find a game that's genuinely good or different from the rest. Not to mention there are a good deal that just straight up don't work or are simply prototypes and such.
I think it was the DC Rebirth that really made me see this trend. I had a Green Arrow subscription my sister in law got me because Arrow was popular at the time. Starting with issue 1, with worse art and worse character designs, everything was hyper political. Anything in the news was guaranteed to be included in the comic, but heavily exaggerated. Most notably IMO an oil pipeline being built through Native American land. In the comic the evil company building it hired hillbillies to run over protestors with ATVs.
I just wanted to enjoy a comic about a superhero who was also on TV at the time and instead the writers made it a political hit piece. So I cancelled my subscription.
What really gets me is that, when people in all these different forms of entertainment media want to tell a story that reflects current day issues, when they think they’re going to make the next Citizen Kane or The Pianist, they don’t actually have anything insightful to offer. They just say “hey you saw this thing in the news? Well here it is again.”
You’re also right that there seems to be a sense of entitlement that these individuals think we absolutely have to buy and consume their content. Or they say that, for everyone who nopes out, they’ll gain multiple more consumers who used to feel excluded. But I think it’s getting obvious now that people almost universally don’t like this.
The hillbillies on ATV's visual did make me laugh just imagining the low effort stilted frames in my mind.
I started playing exclusively older games. New hardware costs premium and new games are very expensive, with base prices of 70€ that generally go at least to 80€ for the slightly better edition. And they often flaunt not giving players what they want, and often in particularly stupid ways, like DQ III or Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster. So I play the older, cheaper original works.
The best example of your premise is Grinding Gear Games (GGG) and the imminent release of Path of Exiles II!
"Your Game, Our Choice" is a far right ideology 🤣 literal yatzee 🤡
Czechoslovakian music? I'm not saying it's not, maybe some old songs are, but Chechoslovakia split into two different countries in 1993 😅
I probably should have said Czech, but considering its cultural music, I don't feel like it's a huge gaffe. Besides, I'm old, I forget these things.
Realistically, Bohemian may have been a more appropriate term.
Indie games have the freedom of creativity and innovation. The gaming industry is stuck on the same business model for the games coming out, monetize it. People just want something fun to play and not be a investment long term.
How did we get here? Oh... right. Folks boasting 'inclusivity' being pretty hard liner about 'safe spaces'. AKA toxic positivity bubble and confirmation bias. Unfortunately, the undercurrent of discriminatory policies also doesn't help. Then again, they forgot that it's their games and our choices.
Indi for life!
Great video, as always. I agree with every word.
I've liked thousands of games purely because they obeyed the social contract. I want to buy a piece of work that has integrity and they've built a world I want to experience. I played baldurs gate 1,2,3 and pathfinder kingmaker, wrath of the righteous, Deus ex more hours than I can count.
secretly cute puppy video
I do feel like people have been getting better an highlighting and calling out these morons who keep thinking its a good idea to antagonize their CUSTOMER base, so I'm looking on the bright side of things and having a laugh at the these clowns freaking out all the time lol.