man, you know that the Trails series is so well made and that Lorence / Leonhardt / Loewe name is so prominent that it is still being mentioned up until Trails of Cold Steel 3/4, which is already 7 games after FC (6 if after SC)
going in this fight unprepared was my biggest mistake. when i lost i was so ready to push that restart button. only to be met with dissapointment that he can just go away after we lost
This is the kind of battle you will not win first time without following a FAQ or something like that. Trails games are the easiest to miss 50% of the content if you're not prepared for it, and some battles are literally like this: You need to be prepared or you will loose.
Man felt so scammed out of my win, thought i purposely fail because ep ran out to get a better gear set up and orb set up, turns out if you fail you get no redo, thx game, reaaaally appreciate missing this
The way that you play this game is absolutely amazing! You really are a pro strategist. I watch your videos about Legend of Heroes .. It' s absolutely amazing also, I hope 3rd Chapter will also release someday and the other Trails Series that is not yet translated and published to English! More power to you! :)
@@pancakeoverlord1886 Yeah, in Sky 3rd they buffed it up a bit to make it usable. *Kaempfer by game* FC = STR & DEF -50% it also deals damage plus it works on literary everything so this craft is OP. SC = STR -10%/DEF -15% it's not even worth using anymore. 3rd = STR -20%/DEF -30% it doesn't deal damage like in FC but at least it's worth using again.
I got destroyed because Kloe and Schezard got confused at the start. I don't like to "restart" matches, I just went in blind. Ah well, it was fun nonetheless.
1:16 "You see only the surface, like that of a quartz grid... with no concept of the forces at work within." Great lines with deep implications. The orbment system is such a nicely built world concept in Sora, which reinforces itself in regional and national economics, in technology, and in battles. I miss the logic and reasoning in writing and world buildup. True masterpiece. The series after Sora, unfortunately, homogenized the concept to a mundane general term as "resources". To refer back to the Loewe's quote, only the surface of the concept has been carried over to the later works.
There's an alternative 'cheap' strat that would also work if you are slightly underlevel, the AI for this guy goes nuts when it comes to stopping your arts, use (I recommend Schera) one of your characters as bait so that he will LITERALLY cast Zero Storm each turn - it's really simple AND embarrassing at once.
Trust me, I've tried this strategy. It's not all that reliable, since Lorence is so fast he'll sometimes get his turn again right after Zero Storm, and use it on Earth Guard EX or Tearal. With a lot of luck you CAN trick him into wasting most of his turns on Zero Storm, but it relies on getting lucky with the turn order.
Um... did you even pay attention to the video? He was using arts every turn he wasn't debuffing him with Kloe (and you absolutely have to debuff him because his S-craft will destroy you). So how exactly are you supposed to lock him into using zero storm besides being lucky with the turn order?
@ Edward Armstrong Actually, I just beat this game yesterday and Agate never gave me any gladiator belts even though I beat Lorence (I beat the game at junior bracer class 2, so I wouldn't have gotten the other hypothetical one either), so I can attest against that statement.
Awesome strats and good to see a few other people doing nightmare no carry over! Just wanted to check that your use of blue impact/hell gate was due to an increased 'recovery' time after arts? Reason being is that I don't remember getting in turns as quickly as you and was only able to get past him with timing earth wall before demon flames, some fortunate critical turns, and of course, minimal tearal spamming (my levels were the same as yours). Also, I had a look at some of your other videos and was wondering if you were purposely neglecting the use of chaos brand for added difficulty? From memory I was using it on bosses as early as the Capua family and get the feeling I would have needed much more luck in some fights without it. Cheers and let’s hope SC isn’t too far away!
Kyll Schomberg Yes i used Blue Impact and Hell Gate because they don't add in any extra cast time. Higher impact Arts such as Titanic Roar or White Gehenna add in 10 to the normal cast time of 30 (there are also some that add in 5). As for the second question: in my opinion I see Chaos Brand as a really cheap Art for most battles, so in a way I guess you can say that it was to make battles more difficult. Though at the same time I can't say I would blame someone for using it, as there definitely are battles in which winning is probably impossible without it. Thank you for your support! And yes I really hope SC comes out this Summer.
...I think it's a testament to how infuriatingly luck-based this fight is that the successful attempt I finally got after around 4 hours of trying made me think "huh, how'd THAT happen?" I literally did nothing different compared to the other attempts, Lorence just never used Tearal. Please tell me SC's difficult bosses are a lot better than this.
I'm currently finding that out the hard way. I WISH I'd known this before I picked Hard difficulty for my first playthrough. I can honestly say SC Hard Mode is the single hardest JRPG I've ever played, and I've played Shin Megami Tensei games.
Haha, funnily enough, I'm playing it at Nightmare mode. The playthrough I watched at Hard mode was already an ordeal. And just saying, the Prologue requires specific preparation, smart use of items, and a lot of luck or you're not getting past them. XD
I... found that out the hard way. I got to the boss, got destroyed, though I could make it easier by cooking some Surprise Cookies... only to find I lacked the ingredients and the shop girl is kidnapped at that point. I did eventually win, but it required extreme luck. And seriously, screw NPC quests. On Hard or above, everything oneshots them, so sometimes you can lose battles before you get a chance to do anything if the enemies move first and choose to attack the NPC. Getting through that, you're forced to keep them Earth Guarded them at all times, which wastes valuable casting time and EP.
Still, I enjoy Nightmare mode. I feel like finally an RPG is actually punishing. Final Fantasy nowadays is way too easy, Tales of you can change difficulty if your level is too low, or make yourself a favour and craft crazy gear. I feel like "minor" RPGs have much more to say in terms of difficulty than the famous ones. And in this one, you're never OP in your first run, so you have to push your way through fights by changing strategy and see what works (in this game, mostly Strength Food). XD
This is the one thing in the fight that kept me coming back to it. It genuinely feels clutch when you are about to be screwed but you use her craft to bring forward the other characters to take advantage.
Your Majesty, you are hardly qualified to feel pity of me. You who know the name of 'Hamel'... demn.. currently at last dungeon at SC.. and difficulty spikes at SC is far more ridiculous than FC... cool strat I could learn a 2 from you..
He removes the mask to review himself Estelle: Silver hair... Schera: No... It's ash blonde... I'd guess that you were born somewhere up north. Loewe: Ha ha... Indeed, you are correct. Though it's closer than you think... Battle Begins Loewe: I trust you will not be offended if I choose you not to go easy on you simply because you are women. Shall we, then? After the Battle he jumped off the railing Estelle: Hey!! Schera: Is he insane?! Estelle: H-he's gone... Did he drop into the lake? Schera: But the water's undisturbed... Just who is this guy...? He survived the fall Lorence is Leonhardt/Loewe the Bladelord & also Dead Demon Sword/Sword of Abaddon S-Craft will never be used in 1st Chapter until 2nd Chapter
In the PSP version I'm sure he was a lot stronger than this, he healed 2000 with tear, and did not stop using MK Guard II, it seems that they weakened some things in the version of steam, or maybe it's just my impression.
Reddagh Ino pc version is like psp version. The ps vita evo version is different with new art and some gameplay differences. But I don't think they nerfed him there either. Idk tho
@@alexeyveretennikov9870 nah, leowe fucked me up hard in the psp version. He spams tearal and earth guard even on goddamn normal. He always uses the broken s-craft killing my team easily
This is an extremely lucky boss AI pattern + double critical node which is even more ridiculous. I think it's actually NM but one in a couple thousand attempts NM. The boss typically tends to not waste as many turns trying to cast silver thorn for sure, usually it's tearalls galore the moment he takes even the slightest bit of damage. There was also a distinct lack of health nodes which really make this fight super annoying. Again, lucky. But you kind of need this sort of luck to kill him
this guy commented about how easy this fight is, talking like its practically free and it's his strategy that made it seem so easy, completely ignoring how he got 2 lucky crits in a row while lorence got nothing. I personally Hate this boss fight. I don't consider it hard, since I spent a good hour in my first encounter with him because of the aformentioned endless nature of the combat. There's something to be said here about a fight where both you and the enemy have endless resources. It's honestly the weakest design choice from every game and usually results in one shots or other balance problems. Anyway Since neither of us could hurt eachother, and I did not have the equipment advantage at all I was forced to use a different but similar tactic, and then I realized that tactic is exactly why some people can BTFO lorence and others like me get our shit wrecked. Lorence AI is kind of shitty. I had a kloe without the grail locket, and a condition voulnerable scherazard. Because of that voulnerability, I eventually figured out the strategy and timing of keeping her away from the main party and using her to physically attack, since she was usually too far away to comfortably be healed. If you do this, lorence tends to target the opposing party occasionally too often with really bad turn wasting decisions. His healing is still a problem, but with seig and morale s crafts, an occasional blue impact, It's possible to take him down without even using S-crafts. I found this out after about a full day of trying different strategies. I'd hazard I was in a much worse position than the video, since even if I was a full level above him, I lacked many immunities and also more importantly did not have the black sepiths to craft all the good action quarts you need for this fight. Hes definately a frustrating and infuriating boss, so much so that I was apopalectic. but I place most of the blame on the far too leniant item system. Realistically this awful battle is awful primarily because it is very likely that anyone who gets that far will realize it can go on forever. All the hype of the battle theme and set up and all of your casting of arts and then you realize this battle has been going on for literally over an hour and no one has lost any meaningful health. It doesn't make you feel like you are fighting an opponent who is too strong for you. It stinks like the game wants you to find one needle specific way of winning. At that point all of the frustration of not being able to pass it drove me insane with rage. who the hell thinks this is fun? This terrible experiance with this shitty game (not the story) makes me understand why people hate the third, and I really hope they don't keep pulling this shit. It is a powerful learning experiance though. The game hits such highs and such lows with massive time wasting fluff in the form of the random battles and certain other sore points that it's a really great teaching tool for how not to design a turn based tactical RPG. Ironically in this entire game THIS SINGLE FIGHT and my lack of buying all the annoying immunity items for wanting to see which enemies did what when and avoid having to refight a boss I spoiled on to change my equipement, WAS THE ONLY FIGHT WHERE MOVING A CHARACTER WITH THE MOVE COMMAND ACTUALLY HAD A DECISIVE TACTICAL OUTCOME. There is so much wrong with this shit show that I can write a book about it, so I'll just end my rant here. Heres my middle finger to the author of this video who is holding up his double crit as an example video. As someone who struggled with far less and still won without S crafts, I don't doubt he could do it without, but posting a video about strategy when its clear you won primarily because of extreme luck is laughable.
Such unbalanced boss fight. i even dont wanna finish game after 3 times trying, even if i get good luck at atacks and deals 50% of his lifes, he have random lucky crit and heal on full. Also it seams he has unlimeted mana, so, i just no idea how to deal with it. Very unfair for players.
Man some of the times I've fought him he just uses Tereal EVERY bloody turn, it's kinda silly
i cannot be the only who unconsciously holding the turbo button while watching this
lmao me too
man, you know that the Trails series is so well made and that Lorence / Leonhardt / Loewe name is so prominent that it is still being mentioned up until Trails of Cold Steel 3/4, which is already 7 games after FC (6 if after SC)
Why spoil
@@MrRadamantz mentioning somebodies name isnt a spoiler dude
Loewe is mentioned again in Kuro no Kiseki
going in this fight unprepared was my biggest mistake. when i lost i was so ready to push that restart button. only to be met with dissapointment that he can just go away after we lost
Estelle thought she knew almost everything about Lawrence but In truth what she knew about him was his Cover.
This is the kind of battle you will not win first time without following a FAQ or something like that. Trails games are the easiest to miss 50% of the content if you're not prepared for it, and some battles are literally like this: You need to be prepared or you will loose.
I thought I was badass until I was humbled by this battle.
Man felt so scammed out of my win, thought i purposely fail because ep ran out to get a better gear set up and orb set up, turns out if you fail you get no redo, thx game, reaaaally appreciate missing this
The way that you play this game is absolutely amazing! You really are a pro strategist. I watch your videos about Legend of Heroes .. It' s absolutely amazing also, I hope 3rd Chapter will also release someday and the other Trails Series that is not yet translated and published to English! More power to you! :)
Crazy how -15% makes him hit 0 with silver thorn..
Sara Valestein -50% you mean. That debuff is super busted though.
@@canasnewell3089 it was heavily nerf in SC so I think the dood above was referring to that version
@@pancakeoverlord1886 Yeah, in Sky 3rd they buffed it up a bit to make it usable.
*Kaempfer by game*
FC = STR & DEF -50% it also deals damage plus it works on literary everything so this craft is OP.
SC = STR -10%/DEF -15% it's not even worth using anymore.
3rd = STR -20%/DEF -30% it doesn't deal damage like in FC but at least it's worth using again.
When i saw the fight i tought the game just threw everything out the window and forgot about difficulty scaling, but luckily it is optional
I got destroyed because Kloe and Schezard got confused at the start. I don't like to "restart" matches, I just went in blind. Ah well, it was fun nonetheless.
1:16 "You see only the surface, like that of a quartz grid... with no concept of the forces at work within."
Great lines with deep implications. The orbment system is such a nicely built world concept in Sora, which reinforces itself in regional and national economics, in technology, and in battles. I miss the logic and reasoning in writing and world buildup. True masterpiece.
The series after Sora, unfortunately, homogenized the concept to a mundane general term as "resources". To refer back to the Loewe's quote, only the surface of the concept has been carried over to the later works.
There's an alternative 'cheap' strat that would also work if you are slightly underlevel, the AI for this guy goes nuts when it comes to stopping your arts, use (I recommend Schera) one of your characters as bait so that he will LITERALLY cast Zero Storm each turn - it's really simple AND embarrassing at once.
Trust me, I've tried this strategy. It's not all that reliable, since Lorence is so fast he'll sometimes get his turn again right after Zero Storm, and use it on Earth Guard EX or Tearal. With a lot of luck you CAN trick him into wasting most of his turns on Zero Storm, but it relies on getting lucky with the turn order.
Um... did you even pay attention to the video? He was using arts every turn he wasn't debuffing him with Kloe (and you absolutely have to debuff him because his S-craft will destroy you). So how exactly are you supposed to lock him into using zero storm besides being lucky with the turn order?
@Waypoint another point in the AI is kind of shitty bucket for my earlier rant.
What a legend
Oh i remember this fight being hard even in the normal difficulty
bruh after so many attemps I gave up and I usually never give up. ON NORMAL difficulty OMG. now ive started it on nightmare..... already regreting it
Well , either you win or lost , you still can keep go on the story progress
Extra bp
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Edward Armstrong Actually, I just beat this game yesterday and Agate never gave me any gladiator belts even though I beat Lorence (I beat the game at junior bracer class 2, so I wouldn't have gotten the other hypothetical one either), so I can attest against that statement.
Won first try after using this strategy (and going back to an old save to farm time sepith from shiny poms)!
Awesome strats and good to see a few other people doing nightmare no carry over! Just wanted to check that your use of blue impact/hell gate was due to an increased 'recovery' time after arts? Reason being is that I don't remember getting in turns as quickly as you and was only able to get past him with timing earth wall before demon flames, some fortunate critical turns, and of course, minimal tearal spamming (my levels were the same as yours).
Also, I had a look at some of your other videos and was wondering if you were purposely neglecting the use of chaos brand for added difficulty? From memory I was using it on bosses as early as the Capua family and get the feeling I would have needed much more luck in some fights without it. Cheers and let’s hope SC isn’t too far away!
Kyll Schomberg
Yes i used Blue Impact and Hell Gate because they don't add in any extra cast time. Higher impact Arts such as Titanic Roar or White Gehenna add in 10 to the normal cast time of 30 (there are also some that add in 5).
As for the second question: in my opinion I see Chaos Brand as a really cheap Art for most battles, so in a way I guess you can say that it was to make battles more difficult. Though at the same time I can't say I would blame someone for using it, as there definitely are battles in which winning is probably impossible without it.
Thank you for your support! And yes I really hope SC comes out this Summer.
This battle is the reason why they nerfed Kaempfer in SC lmao
Even if you win you still loose lol. Loewe is a damn beast.
...I think it's a testament to how infuriatingly luck-based this fight is that the successful attempt I finally got after around 4 hours of trying made me think "huh, how'd THAT happen?" I literally did nothing different compared to the other attempts, Lorence just never used Tearal.
Please tell me SC's difficult bosses are a lot better than this.
Sorry to disappoint you, but SC is notoriously harder than FC is.
I'm currently finding that out the hard way. I WISH I'd known this before I picked Hard difficulty for my first playthrough. I can honestly say SC Hard Mode is the single hardest JRPG I've ever played, and I've played Shin Megami Tensei games.
Haha, funnily enough, I'm playing it at Nightmare mode. The playthrough I watched at Hard mode was already an ordeal. And just saying, the Prologue requires specific preparation, smart use of items, and a lot of luck or you're not getting past them. XD
I... found that out the hard way. I got to the boss, got destroyed, though I could make it easier by cooking some Surprise Cookies... only to find I lacked the ingredients and the shop girl is kidnapped at that point. I did eventually win, but it required extreme luck.
And seriously, screw NPC quests. On Hard or above, everything oneshots them, so sometimes you can lose battles before you get a chance to do anything if the enemies move first and choose to attack the NPC. Getting through that, you're forced to keep them Earth Guarded them at all times, which wastes valuable casting time and EP.
Still, I enjoy Nightmare mode. I feel like finally an RPG is actually punishing. Final Fantasy nowadays is way too easy, Tales of you can change difficulty if your level is too low, or make yourself a favour and craft crazy gear. I feel like "minor" RPGs have much more to say in terms of difficulty than the famous ones. And in this one, you're never OP in your first run, so you have to push your way through fights by changing strategy and see what works (in this game, mostly Strength Food). XD
Loewe also can use Earth Guard Mark 2 that Estelle & others can't?
this almost impossible without scherazard in the team. she best support charactar in game term turn stealing lol
This is the one thing in the fight that kept me coming back to it. It genuinely feels clutch when you are about to be screwed but you use her craft to bring forward the other characters to take advantage.
2:03
damn the comment section is full of spoilers :"
Dude im playing all 9 of this games but never join the fandom because i know it's gonna be full of spoiler.
@@robinsaputra1483 yeah dont even look up any videos on youtube or you will see shit from games that arent even out yet, with massive spoiler titles
You should know better than to read RUclips comments when not wanting spoilers.
@@Spirit_Chaser have finished Sky Trilogy, Crossbell duology, and playing CS2 right neow
@@miedori nice. I’m in the final area of trails fc right now. I’m new to it.
Your Majesty, you are hardly qualified to feel pity of me. You who know the name of 'Hamel'...
demn.. currently at last dungeon at SC.. and difficulty spikes at SC is far more ridiculous than FC... cool strat I could learn a 2 from you..
Ok how is he resisting silver thorn
Look at his gear at the start, resists confuse
@@lakotadogwarrior oh didn’t see that
Yeah but I still dont get how is it that silver thorn makes 0 damage
@@nehuen7949 - Kloe's Kaempfer Craft debuffs Lorence's STR, which also affected Arts Strength (ATS) in Sky FC. That was changed for SC.
He removes the mask to review himself
Estelle: Silver hair...
Schera: No... It's ash blonde... I'd guess that you were born somewhere up north.
Loewe: Ha ha... Indeed, you are correct. Though it's closer than you think...
Battle Begins
Loewe: I trust you will not be offended if I choose you not to go easy on you simply because you are women. Shall we, then?
After the Battle he jumped off the railing
Estelle: Hey!!
Schera: Is he insane?!
Estelle: H-he's gone... Did he drop into the lake?
Schera: But the water's undisturbed... Just who is this guy...?
He survived the fall
Lorence is Leonhardt/Loewe the Bladelord & also Dead Demon Sword/Sword of Abaddon S-Craft will never be used in 1st Chapter until 2nd Chapter
In the PSP version I'm sure he was a lot stronger than this, he healed 2000 with tear, and did not stop using MK Guard II, it seems that they weakened some things in the version of steam, or maybe it's just my impression.
Reddagh Ino pc version is like psp version. The ps vita evo version is different with new art and some gameplay differences. But I don't think they nerfed him there either. Idk tho
no
in the steam version he is completely the same
this man just are liar
this video not a nightmare
@@alexeyveretennikov9870 nah, leowe fucked me up hard in the psp version. He spams tearal and earth guard even on goddamn normal. He always uses the broken s-craft killing my team easily
This is an extremely lucky boss AI pattern + double critical node which is even more ridiculous. I think it's actually NM but one in a couple thousand attempts NM. The boss typically tends to not waste as many turns trying to cast silver thorn for sure, usually it's tearalls galore the moment he takes even the slightest bit of damage. There was also a distinct lack of health nodes which really make this fight super annoying. Again, lucky. But you kind of need this sort of luck to kill him
@Alexey
No dude, they nerfed him in the Steam version. lol
this guy commented about how easy this fight is, talking like its practically free and it's his strategy that made it seem so easy, completely ignoring how he got 2 lucky crits in a row while lorence got nothing. I personally Hate this boss fight. I don't consider it hard, since I spent a good hour in my first encounter with him because of the aformentioned endless nature of the combat. There's something to be said here about a fight where both you and the enemy have endless resources. It's honestly the weakest design choice from every game and usually results in one shots or other balance problems. Anyway Since neither of us could hurt eachother, and I did not have the equipment advantage at all I was forced to use a different but similar tactic, and then I realized that tactic is exactly why some people can BTFO lorence and others like me get our shit wrecked. Lorence AI is kind of shitty. I had a kloe without the grail locket, and a condition voulnerable scherazard. Because of that voulnerability, I eventually figured out the strategy and timing of keeping her away from the main party and using her to physically attack, since she was usually too far away to comfortably be healed. If you do this, lorence tends to target the opposing party occasionally too often with really bad turn wasting decisions. His healing is still a problem, but with seig and morale s crafts, an occasional blue impact, It's possible to take him down without even using S-crafts. I found this out after about a full day of trying different strategies. I'd hazard I was in a much worse position than the video, since even if I was a full level above him, I lacked many immunities and also more importantly did not have the black sepiths to craft all the good action quarts you need for this fight. Hes definately a frustrating and infuriating boss, so much so that I was apopalectic. but I place most of the blame on the far too leniant item system. Realistically this awful battle is awful primarily because it is very likely that anyone who gets that far will realize it can go on forever. All the hype of the battle theme and set up and all of your casting of arts and then you realize this battle has been going on for literally over an hour and no one has lost any meaningful health. It doesn't make you feel like you are fighting an opponent who is too strong for you. It stinks like the game wants you to find one needle specific way of winning. At that point all of the frustration of not being able to pass it drove me insane with rage. who the hell thinks this is fun? This terrible experiance with this shitty game (not the story) makes me understand why people hate the third, and I really hope they don't keep pulling this shit. It is a powerful learning experiance though. The game hits such highs and such lows with massive time wasting fluff in the form of the random battles and certain other sore points that it's a really great teaching tool for how not to design a turn based tactical RPG. Ironically in this entire game THIS SINGLE FIGHT and my lack of buying all the annoying immunity items for wanting to see which enemies did what when and avoid having to refight a boss I spoiled on to change my equipement, WAS THE ONLY FIGHT WHERE MOVING A CHARACTER WITH THE MOVE COMMAND ACTUALLY HAD A DECISIVE TACTICAL OUTCOME. There is so much wrong with this shit show that I can write a book about it, so I'll just end my rant here. Heres my middle finger to the author of this video who is holding up his double crit as an example video. As someone who struggled with far less and still won without S crafts, I don't doubt he could do it without, but posting a video about strategy when its clear you won primarily because of extreme luck is laughable.
Such unbalanced boss fight. i even dont wanna finish game after 3 times trying, even if i get good luck at atacks and deals 50% of his lifes, he have random lucky crit and heal on full. Also it seams he has unlimeted mana, so, i just no idea how to deal with it. Very unfair for players.
the dub is so bad