Most people don't realize that, for this kind of demo, it's actually easier to affect the opponent's balance when they are holding on tight and keeping the body stiff. So when the demonstrator asks the partner to grab hard, he's already setting him up.
Seigo Okamoto of Roppokai talked about this. He knew it very well and therefore was of the opinion that Aiki-jujutsu must always provoke the adversary to do rash actions. Also for most people it's also intuitive that they have the upper hand if they can overwhelme others with force so they put a lot in. But yeah, limp arms make aiki difficult; limp arms aren't particularly dangerous either, though.
@@Veepee92 As a Chinese internal arts practitioner who has dabbled in some Kodokan and Sagawa-ha Daito Ryu, I think it's important to understand that this type of work is meant to be cooperative training for developing internal connection, structure, and power -- rather than actual combat applications. It is cooperative in the sense that the uke is supposed to provide resistance and their body as "dead weight" to the nage. So if the uke goes limp or freely makes adjustments to avoid losing balance when they feel the nage's incoming force, the training would be pointless.
@@StevenRayW I think for most people who practice these arts, what you mention is a given, but it's worth noting to the more "general" audience. Same thing goes for any drill really. If you did pad drills for boxing, and wanted to train head movement but your partner keeps throwing punches with too much variation from the get go, that wouldn't work either. Since you mentioned Sagawa-ha daitoryu, I think it was Sagawa who mentioned training with women was actually a good practice simply because guys could be "too easy" since they tend to use too much force in drills.
@@robertjohn3260 Agreed. I actually prefer the Japanese training model (i.e., grabbing) for beginners of internal arts because it teaches you how to manage resistance and builds solid connection/structure faster. Whereas in Chinese arts such as Taiji, people are told to stay "soft and relaxed" too early on and often end up turning into limp noodles that quickly fall apart under pressure.
That is very true. Exactly because of demo purpose and in real combat difficulty increases exponentially. But as you said, it’s about balance of power and how to manipulate opponents and yours to break their balance while preserving yours. It’s the very core philosophy of 合気(aiki), which directly translates to combination/encounter of ki. Explanation of 気is perhaps for another day
あなたのチャンネルは調査と研究です。思考を刺激するために。 これは削除しないでください。本物の真実に到達するための情報です。 Thanks for the upload. Very interesting. Much appreciated. 12:12 先生は脇を閉じて、肘を下に向けて体に密着させて立っています。 丹田も前方に揺さぶられている。彼の体の重力は彼の手や姿勢に影響します。彼の動きはどれも重くて力強く、陽の位置にあります。これらはすべて受けの弱い位置にある手に取り付けられています。 受け/生徒たちは「手が膝を超えている」/身体パラメータは「足の外側」 彼の手/接続は陰の状態です。 彼は肩でそれを制御しようとしますが、肩は先生の重力ほど強くありません。知っている人ならこの立場で理にかなっているかもしれない。センスがそれを教えてくれればいいのに。Thanks for the upload. Very interesting. Much apreciated. Your channel is an investigation and study! to stimulate thought. Please do not delete this. It is information for genuine researchers of the truth. 12:12 Sensei stands with his armpits close, his elbows pointing down, close to his body. His Tanden is rocked forward also. The gravity of his body is attached to his hands/posture. Any movement he makes is heavy and powerful, a yang position. All of this is attached to uke’s hands in a weak position. Uke/the students “hands over-reach his knee”/bodies parameters, “outside of his feet” His hands/connection are in a Yin condition. He tries to control it through his shoulders but, they/he is not as strong as Sensei’s gravitational weight. know-one could hold sense in this position. It would be good if sense would tell us this.
На самом деле всё просто! Проблема здесь не в технике, а в учителе который не хочет рассказать секрет этой техники! Учитель хочет, чтобы все за ним бегали и восхваляли его , чтобы у него был постоянный доход от учеников которые никогда не научиться этой техники! 😂🤣
This has NOTHING to do with Daito Ryu. That guy in the video uses LOADS of chikara, or muscle, despite his boasting about using 'internal' power (whatever that is). If anyone thinks this guy is using 'aiki' like in daito ryu, they don't know what they're talking about. Unfortunately, the internet has just become a pool of misinformation and marketing.
1 He doesn’t call it aiki. He calls it naido. And probably does it because it’s somewhat different from aiki and to avoid definition Nazis like you. I also don't think he cares whether or not his art has anything to do with Daito Ryu. 2 I’d like to experience your aiki or see a video. You got any?
I've never felt either of these two gentlemen, but your observation skills are weak bro. Also it sounds to me like you are calling out Gozo Shioda's grandson a liar. Shioda-Sensei, in his first collaboration video said he had many different people on his channel, but he had never felt anything like this. The guy has been around the block, invited many masters to be on his channel and clearly knows the difference between a ton of muscle and something else. After he learns the corrections, at 15:17 for example, Shioda-Sensei literally says that he feels no muscle usage at all either when he performs agete in the previous video, or sagete in this video. He looks and seems genuinely surprised that effect.
@@elel2608 He says it's aiki: rising aiki and lowering aiki from daito ryu. He says so at the very beginning of the vid, so you're first comment is not honest. I have no vid and you'll NEVER get to experience aiki thanks your attitude and Nazi comments. Enjoy whatever you're doing/learning from the internet.
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As always, thank you for taking the time to meet and collaborate with us Shioda sensei.
貴重な時間をいただきありがとうございます。
相変わらず素晴らしい動画ありがとうございます
「合気の達人」の凄技は、素人は自分にかけてもらわないと理解出来ませんね。ゲージツ家のクマさんは著書の中で「塩田剛三さんに腕を掴まれただけで全身が痺れた。凄い人がいるもんだ」と語っています。
お弟子さんわかりやすい説明でとても助かります！
thank you for the excellent movie.
阿久沢先生とのこれまでのコラボ動画を拝見して、強さの中にもしなやかさがあるように思いました。ご自身の身体で人体実験しながら様々な試行錯誤もあったかとは思いますが、どんな事においても体現できるということは素晴らしいことですね。動画配信ありがとうございます。
素晴らしい動画、有り難う御座います… 古来からの日本の武道、全て力の根源は一緒 勉強に成ります…
Es Perfecto. El saber y aplicar el Daito Ryu , te hace mas fuerte y el universo se pone de tu parte.
最近になって合気道の素晴らしさを感じています。
私は少林寺拳法をやっていて何十年も前に合気道の柔法は
少林寺拳法の柔法に比べると倒れた後で固めないのが
不十分な技法だと思っていましたが、なぜ合気道の技は
倒れた後で動けなくする固めをしないのかを考察し、
合気道の理念には闘う事をやめさせて和の状態になる
様に相手の攻撃を悉く防ぎ、相手が攻撃する事が
無駄だと思って最後には攻撃を止め、闘争状態でなく
なるように持っていく為で、防いだ後で固めをしなくて
済むからだと気付き、合気道の素晴らしさに気付きました。
しかし今ふと感じた事は、今まで私が見てきた合気道の
防御は相手が柔法を使った時であり、突きや蹴りの剛法を
した場合の防御法を見ていない事に気付きました。
ですから、相手が突き・蹴り技を使う場合の防ぐ技術を
見てみたくなりました。
例えば、極真空手、フルコンタクト空手、少林寺拳法、
ボクシング、相撲など様々な突き・蹴り技の剛法も悉く
防ぐ姿を見れば、合気道の素晴らしさは、さらに説得力
あるものになると思いました。
技法の中でも体を鍛えている必要のある剛法ですが、例えば、少し体勢を低くして相手に顎狙いのストレートパンチを打たせたとします。そこに鍛えて堅い大胸筋を合わせて、接触の瞬間に接触点に全身一致の力を流して、挟まれた相手の手首の関節を潰して故障させる技が実在します。格闘家は骨折しても戦える凄まじい鍛え方をしていますし、武道武術家は骨自体の強化もしっかり行うので故障しにくいでしょう。打撃側の能力やフィジカルが高いほどこの技は難しくなるでしょうが、技法としては一応は存在します。
蹴り技に対しても実用例が体験談としてニコニコ掲示板の合気道の項目に書き込まれているようです。
Akuzawa Minoru is incredible. Astonishing to feel it live.
あらゆる達人の技術の中で、一番シンプルでかつ実際的で、わかりやすいです。
もっとも、身につけるにはより多くの理解と練習が必要でしょうね。
この技術を使用して柔道やレスリングの選手とフリーにスパーしてみたいです。
Most people don't realize that, for this kind of demo, it's actually easier to affect the opponent's balance when they are holding on tight and keeping the body stiff. So when the demonstrator asks the partner to grab hard, he's already setting him up.
Seigo Okamoto of Roppokai talked about this. He knew it very well and therefore was of the opinion that Aiki-jujutsu must always provoke the adversary to do rash actions.
Also for most people it's also intuitive that they have the upper hand if they can overwhelme others with force so they put a lot in. But yeah, limp arms make aiki difficult; limp arms aren't particularly dangerous either, though.
@@Veepee92 As a Chinese internal arts practitioner who has dabbled in some Kodokan and Sagawa-ha Daito Ryu, I think it's important to understand that this type of work is meant to be cooperative training for developing internal connection, structure, and power -- rather than actual combat applications. It is cooperative in the sense that the uke is supposed to provide resistance and their body as "dead weight" to the nage. So if the uke goes limp or freely makes adjustments to avoid losing balance when they feel the nage's incoming force, the training would be pointless.
@@StevenRayW I think for most people who practice these arts, what you mention is a given, but it's worth noting to the more "general" audience. Same thing goes for any drill really. If you did pad drills for boxing, and wanted to train head movement but your partner keeps throwing punches with too much variation from the get go, that wouldn't work either. Since you mentioned Sagawa-ha daitoryu, I think it was Sagawa who mentioned training with women was actually a good practice simply because guys could be "too easy" since they tend to use too much force in drills.
@@robertjohn3260 Agreed. I actually prefer the Japanese training model (i.e., grabbing) for beginners of internal arts because it teaches you how to manage resistance and builds solid connection/structure faster. Whereas in Chinese arts such as Taiji, people are told to stay "soft and relaxed" too early on and often end up turning into limp noodles that quickly fall apart under pressure.
That is very true. Exactly because of demo purpose and in real combat difficulty increases exponentially. But as you said, it’s about balance of power and how to manipulate opponents and yours to break their balance while preserving yours. It’s the very core philosophy of 合気(aiki), which directly translates to combination/encounter of ki. Explanation of 気is perhaps for another day
あらゆる技とも通じている術理ですね。
いつも動画ありがとうございます。
合氣を掛けれる人は感度が高いということが分かりました。
素人の方が技を掛けられたものも同時に観せてくれるとわかりやすいと思います
いつも素晴らしい動画に感謝しています。動画では、掴みどころ、寄りどころがなくなるため、崩れているのでしょうか？
おっしゃる通りです。
掴むところ、触れるところに寄りかかる所がないと言う時はもう既に崩れています。
本来触れた瞬間起こるものですが、この場合はデモンストレーション用であり、違いを感じて欲しいため、体の補正をゆっくり見せ、行ってるいます。
@@mikemahoney682 お返事ありがとうございます。宜しければもう少し質問させて下さい。姿勢を正すことによって掴まれたところから、力みや意識の傾注が減少又は無くなり、結果、相手も掴みどころ等を失って微妙に崩れているという理解で良いでしょうか？
@@合気彦このデモンストレーションの場合はおっしゃる通りです。姿勢を正すだけで触った瞬間（また触る前からも）微妙な崩しが起り、相手が寄り付き、そして気付く前にもう床に倒れている。
ゆっくり動くと触っている人は力が吸収された感覚です。塩田先生はおそらくこの感覚をおしゃっています。またある程度の抵抗感を持つ人は先生の体と地面に居着いている状態になります。
ただ先生の一つの特徴はこの姿勢を深く理解できれば、場合によって外側は硬い状態をキープしながら中の状態は力み無く自由に動けます。結果より読みにくくなります。
@@mikemahoney682 なるほど。ただ、姿勢を正すだけで崩れるとすると、例えば大東流の佐川氏がいう長期的な鍛錬の意味はどこにあるとお考えですか？佐川氏は鍛錬をしていないと合気は絶対に取れないという言葉を残しています。すいません、こうして合気に係る議論が出来る方が少ないもので。
@@合気彦 正しい姿勢はかなり微妙で、技とか動きには”やった”と言う感覚はないため考え方あるいは求める目的を変える必要がある。またちょっとでも欲張るあるいは普段の動きに戻るとその姿勢が崩れ、力みを頼る事になる。
極端の話をすると鍛錬は動きに対する脳のOSを書き換える為なものと思います。一つ一つの動作は大きいな実験で気づいたものを日常生活に入れ、また日常生活で気づいたものを鍛錬に取り入れ永遠に繰り返すもになる。
そしていずれ一般の人の”普通”の動きを忘れ、悪い例を見せるのは少し難しくなる。これはあくまでも私の感想ですが、合気は多分その長年の実験の成果と経験を活かしてもう普通の動きが忘れていくところで初めて掴むことかな？先生もたまにうちの動きの観点が理解できなく間違えを見せようとしてもかなり強烈です。（笑）
佐川先生は多分もう合気しかできない体を目指したどり着いたと思います。でもある程度で満足しないでより深い体の理解をずっと追求していたと思います。
これができてようやく武術の始まり
sì dai, video mega-stra-pacchissimo. SCIAOBELO
@10:35 is that what they call floating on the bridge between heaven and earth?
すげえ
Can you make a video with Shinjuro Narita senseï?
疑う余地無く、本当に相手を操作できてるんだと思える動画でした。
が、、、むち打ちになりそうなのはやめてください😱
技と言うよリ
知らずに食らった側は
術に感じると思う
2:40 の解説は重要。
english translation please
There should be one in the cc
あなたのチャンネルは調査と研究です。思考を刺激するために。
これは削除しないでください。本物の真実に到達するための情報です。
Thanks for the upload. Very interesting. Much appreciated.
12:12
先生は脇を閉じて、肘を下に向けて体に密着させて立っています。
丹田も前方に揺さぶられている。彼の体の重力は彼の手や姿勢に影響します。彼の動きはどれも重くて力強く、陽の位置にあります。これらはすべて受けの弱い位置にある手に取り付けられています。
受け/生徒たちは「手が膝を超えている」/身体パラメータは「足の外側」
彼の手/接続は陰の状態です。
彼は肩でそれを制御しようとしますが、肩は先生の重力ほど強くありません。知っている人ならこの立場で理にかなっているかもしれない。センスがそれを教えてくれればいいのに。Thanks for the upload. Very interesting. Much apreciated.
Your channel is an investigation and study! to stimulate thought.
Please do not delete this. It is information for genuine researchers of the truth.
12:12
Sensei stands with his armpits close, his elbows pointing down, close to his body.
His Tanden is rocked forward also. The gravity of his body is attached to his hands/posture. Any movement he makes is heavy and powerful, a yang position. All of this is attached to uke’s hands in a weak position.
Uke/the students “hands over-reach his knee”/bodies parameters, “outside of his feet”
His hands/connection are in a Yin condition.
He tries to control it through his shoulders but, they/he is not as strong as Sensei’s gravitational weight. know-one could hold sense in this position. It would be good if sense would tell us this.
Osu!
❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
いや～毎回受け手のリアクションがオーバーでいいですな。
でもこれは阿吽会の方に入りたいな。合気道というよりか。
一回受けてみたら？ 中途半端に受身取ると傷めるよ
На самом деле всё просто! Проблема здесь не в технике, а в учителе который не хочет рассказать секрет этой техники! Учитель хочет, чтобы все за ним бегали и восхваляли его , чтобы у него был постоянный доход от учеников которые никогда не научиться этой техники! 😂🤣
考え方とか説明が複雑でいろいろ遠回りなんだよな…
0:51 ここのやらせ感半端ない
実際に経験しに行ってみ
東京の道場に行ってみ？
塩田さんが安定してたから一回フェイント挟んだ形
This has NOTHING to do with Daito Ryu. That guy in the video uses LOADS of chikara, or muscle, despite his boasting about using 'internal' power (whatever that is). If anyone thinks this guy is using 'aiki' like in daito ryu, they don't know what they're talking about. Unfortunately, the internet has just become a pool of misinformation and marketing.
1 He doesn’t call it aiki. He calls it naido. And probably does it because it’s somewhat different from aiki and to avoid definition Nazis like you. I also don't think he cares whether or not his art has anything to do with Daito Ryu.
2 I’d like to experience your aiki or see a video. You got any?
I've never felt either of these two gentlemen, but your observation skills are weak bro.
Also it sounds to me like you are calling out Gozo Shioda's grandson a liar. Shioda-Sensei, in his first collaboration video said he had many different people on his channel, but he had never felt anything like this. The guy has been around the block, invited many masters to be on his channel and clearly knows the difference between a ton of muscle and something else.
After he learns the corrections, at 15:17 for example, Shioda-Sensei literally says that he feels no muscle usage at all either when he performs agete in the previous video, or sagete in this video. He looks and seems genuinely surprised that effect.
いるよね〜こうコメントする人ww
何も根拠もなく適当に主張して皆んなを侮辱する草
@@mikemahoney682 あいつは本物かもしれんぞ。合気のスキルを発揮するビデオを待ってます！
@@elel2608 He says it's aiki: rising aiki and lowering aiki from daito ryu. He says so at the very beginning of the vid, so you're first comment is not honest. I have no vid and you'll NEVER get to experience aiki thanks your attitude and Nazi comments. Enjoy whatever you're doing/learning from the internet.
武術、武道の「武」とは、「二つの、戈を止める！」意味です！
小さいものは、口喧嘩やいざこざ！
大きいものは、戦争！
それを止められるだけの力、勢力、技や経済力などです！
ご存知でしょうか？
まず、相手に捕まれないのが第一です！
直ぐに殴ってくる相手もいますし、なれた人は、まず掴まないですね！
掴んで、ぐっと力を入れる人はあまりいませんからね！
どの武道でも達人はいますが、やはり回数と年数が必要です！
しかし、中々簡単には、外せばたり技はかけれません！色んな相手がいますからね！