So easily it could have gone. What a magnificent achievement. When I first stepped into the station I was completely captivated. The wonderful bar that used to be the original ticket hall is a wonderful place to enjoy a drink.
I'm one of many who is also trying to get to grips with Alistair's issue with the two inch overshoot. If this was a significant issue, I wonder if rectifying this issue was priority #1 with his project manager and the underlings. I'm an engineer by education, not an architect, and I can understand how the structure can reveal its imperfect side in a couple of decades. But would Alistair's "peer group" really ridicule him? Very, very difficult to see Alistair cry as if he lost a loved one.
What the architect says at 2:03 for the next minute is beautifully worded, a really smart, thoughtful man. I respect his vision, even though architects are known for god complexes, he seems more of an artist. In 120 years, I wonder how it will be remembered, long after trains are gone.
Poor Alistair. No-one liked Dennis for a relatively good reason, but Alistair was making sure one of the world's most beautiful stations was revamped and maintained for the 21st Century, and because he wanted to make sure it was done to the best standard possible, no-one liked him a great deal. The thing I took from this was that pretty much all the important people were bickering too much. However, when I watched the Crossrail documentary, everyone seemed to love each other! Strange... But I say again: Poor Alistair.
Bit unfair on the architect, chaps. Agree, he appears strange. But an architect is also an artist. It seems like it was a personal thing with him: I don't understand exactly his issue, but probably he had a finished design in mind that, perhaps, he hadn't instructed enough departments about: hence, maybe what he "dreamt" about, wasn't actually designed. He expected it, but no-one else did. That said, I've never noticed any problems with the station myself. To me, it's one of the wonders of the world! It's an incredible place to go! More like an airport than a station! If I'm early for a train, I love to spend time walking around the place!
Artist? The cretin committed architectural rape he should be shot. Putting a glorified car port next to a smooth graceful arch train shed, what was anyone who passed on this monstrosity thinking? How much cash they could trouser I warrant.
A good friend of mine gave (we are both Americans) me this youtube link to this posting. She said it was about the rebuilding of London's "St. Pancreas" Station. Obviously she is not the most well heeled traveler. I got a god laugh.
This was filmed in 2007 and the architect said that the entire thing will look old in 10 years because they cut corners. It's been 10 years for those that have been there, is the architect right? From the videos that I have seen online created recently, they have nothing but praise for the station.
Who cares how it looks tbh i still find it a station of aw even to this day yeah sure the designes in the newer bit do sorta say late 2000s but tbh i think the architect is overlooking the value it poses to the general public beyond his perfectionist nature. Whenever i visit the station im in awe of how great it is old and new sitting together in perfect harmony and until i watched this and im sure 99.999999% of people are the same i had no idea about the cut corners or the 2 inches. Honestly anyone here dissing on the engineers and construction workers you try building something like this to a tight time scale and budget. As long as it servers its function and provides the atmospher he intended then customers can forgive 2 inches and most will never know. All people involved should be proud of what they have achieved and i think the architect needs to take a step back, deep breath and be proud that his vision is making people very happy and is one of the major icons of london
I went to see this amazing London St Pancras station after watching this when it was first broadcast and now has become my favourite station, worrying about few inches, i havent even notices it.
I do feel sorry for the architect but at the same time, nobody in the world will notice 2 inches. He got way too personally involved and maybe should have taken a step back towards the end.
Yeah, architects can get unreasonably pedantic, but then will happily compromise features so the project falls within a budget, and hence, goes ahead. Which in turn means they get their industry standard fee, which on big builds can be 10% of the cost. Architects can be a cross between car salesman, engineer, and stage performer. They want their money, and can put on a good performance to ensure they get it.
It's a bit unfair on the Architect because it concentrates on one issue and there were probably many because engineers make mistakes like everyone else. It's good that the architect was a perfectionist because he drove them to do the job as well as they were able.
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03:38 Bonus!? You're lucky you have a job 🤣...have to agree with Claire that architects are on cloud 9....they still are in 2020...24:50 wow the architect was in tears 🤣
The architect is completely correct in most things, he was telling them about problems 6 months before and they ignored it, they rest of them were talking about "bonus" thats all they cared about
The bloke was clearly after perfection he'd achieved earlier in theory on the display of his computer, then in practice some 'ugly' people with sledgehammers came and shatterd down his illusions. Still I reckon he must be grateful to them as the entire structure of the building is very sound and will last probably centuries. And tourist guides must love pointing their finger at the builder's blunders and telling the amused rubber-neckers about the importance of not letting cowboy builders run the show at your expense.
I can't say I hated Alistair, nor the Mad Pixie - just anyone with more than I do.. But seriously, major Public buildings like that should follow the spirit of the original plans - and not just the spirit that can be bought with maximised bonuses. And I don't give a stuff if she can get better value at M & S than Bricks R Us, the central point is the building should be there longer than ANY of them; AND we the USERS want a piece of that original spirit when travelling to/from.
Not when you leave the station and see the Euston Road engulfed in heavy traffic, it was a cleaver project, but a confusing large shed to navigate, I remember the old station, and finding the Thameslink new platforms was even harder these days due to too many shops and furniture distractions everywhere, where I can avoid the building if I can.
Alastair Landsley was worried about some glass blocks sticking out of place, pity he and the other arseholes who were only concerned with their pay and bonuses didn’t concentrate on better things. Ensuring the buildings air conditioning worked might have been a good idea, instead it hasn’t worked properly since day one even though engineers were in and out or rooms several times a day balancing the system and ensuring millimetre precision on ceiling tiles. They all walked off with large bonuses and left us all with a polished turd to work with.
The architect is literally the only person with the correct priorities on this project. Whilst the others where busily fretting about their bonuses, he was the only one who understood that it is ultimately the British public that will be robbed for potentially centuries to come of a great piece of architecture through shoddy and rushed construction. That’s probably why he got the CBE and his name attached to such a glowing project, and they’ll fade into obscurity. Unfortunately he’s the last of a dying breed of such architects, ones that feel the burden of societal responsibility, that act with a calculated eye towards quality, integrity and immeasurable value and who recognises relatively arbitrary economic constraints for what they are; although it’d probably be more accurate to say that such architects been killed off or neutered by such penny pinchers seen here.
With the greatest of respect to the Architect, who is clearly very good at what he does.......is he autistic? That would explain his eccentric behavior. Also this is one of my favourite subs of the year. Keep up the great work Undergroundseries!!
all v.good for UK but when was GBP 15 b spent on AL rest of UK combine? HIgh speed never, subway / tramway for my town Leeds scrapped for budget, disgrce everything focused on London
another architect acting like the building is his grand opus in his career, is the issue with every build. just acting like a brat when things don't happen as he had dreamt. architect: an artist who has to depend on craftsmen to create his art..?
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So easily it could have gone. What a magnificent achievement. When I first stepped into the station I was completely captivated. The wonderful bar that used to be the original ticket hall is a wonderful place to enjoy a drink.
Not been to every big station but St Pancras is definitely the one that never fails to impress
He may be a bit mad but St Pancras is an amazing station!
I'm one of many who is also trying to get to grips with Alistair's issue with the two inch overshoot. If this was a significant issue, I wonder if rectifying this issue was priority #1 with his project manager and the underlings. I'm an engineer by education, not an architect, and I can understand how the structure can reveal its imperfect side in a couple of decades. But would Alistair's "peer group" really ridicule him? Very, very difficult to see Alistair cry as if he lost a loved one.
What the architect says at 2:03 for the next minute is beautifully worded, a really smart, thoughtful man. I respect his vision, even though architects are known for god complexes, he seems more of an artist. In 120 years, I wonder how it will be remembered, long after trains are gone.
What's going to replace the trains in a 120 years from now??, i like to know.
@@scottpeacock5492 teleportation.
Poor Alistair. No-one liked Dennis for a relatively good reason, but Alistair was making sure one of the world's most beautiful stations was revamped and maintained for the 21st Century, and because he wanted to make sure it was done to the best standard possible, no-one liked him a great deal. The thing I took from this was that pretty much all the important people were bickering too much. However, when I watched the Crossrail documentary, everyone seemed to love each other! Strange... But I say again: Poor Alistair.
No offence at all but I’ve worked under some and the power trip, is a thing.
I really hope that you are going to upload the rest of this series, because this first one was great to watch :)
Bit unfair on the architect, chaps. Agree, he appears strange. But an architect is also an artist.
It seems like it was a personal thing with him: I don't understand exactly his issue, but probably he had a finished design in mind that, perhaps, he hadn't instructed enough departments about: hence, maybe what he "dreamt" about, wasn't actually designed.
He expected it, but no-one else did.
That said, I've never noticed any problems with the station myself.
To me, it's one of the wonders of the world!
It's an incredible place to go! More like an airport than a station!
If I'm early for a train, I love to spend time walking around the place!
Artist? The cretin committed architectural rape he should be shot. Putting a glorified car port next to a smooth graceful arch train shed, what was anyone who passed on this monstrosity thinking? How much cash they could trouser I warrant.
+Misspippaf1 that wasn't Alistair's part of the project. I believe you can blame Foster+Partners; it looks like their sort of design language
A good friend of mine gave (we are both Americans) me this youtube link to this posting. She said it was about the rebuilding of London's "St. Pancreas" Station. Obviously she is not the most well heeled traveler. I got a god laugh.
Wow, I am looking forward to this series. Conflict resolution presented in a constructive and intelligent way.
This series is from 2007 by BBC.
undergroundseries is really becoming a "tv channel" with documentaries after documentaries published weekly ^^
the finished project is something though ...fair play
and loving it! Keep up the good work
This was filmed in 2007 and the architect said that the entire thing will look old in 10 years because they cut corners. It's been 10 years for those that have been there, is the architect right? From the videos that I have seen online created recently, they have nothing but praise for the station.
Who cares how it looks tbh i still find it a station of aw even to this day yeah sure the designes in the newer bit do sorta say late 2000s but tbh i think the architect is overlooking the value it poses to the general public beyond his perfectionist nature. Whenever i visit the station im in awe of how great it is old and new sitting together in perfect harmony and until i watched this and im sure 99.999999% of people are the same i had no idea about the cut corners or the 2 inches. Honestly anyone here dissing on the engineers and construction workers you try building something like this to a tight time scale and budget. As long as it servers its function and provides the atmospher he intended then customers can forgive 2 inches and most will never know. All people involved should be proud of what they have achieved and i think the architect needs to take a step back, deep breath and be proud that his vision is making people very happy and is one of the major icons of london
thx for the upload
Keep It Coming.
I went to see this amazing London St Pancras station after watching this when it was first broadcast and now has become my favourite station, worrying about few inches, i havent even notices it.
I do feel sorry for the architect but at the same time, nobody in the world will notice 2 inches. He got way too personally involved and maybe should have taken a step back towards the end.
Yeah, architects can get unreasonably pedantic, but then will happily compromise features so the project falls within a budget, and hence, goes ahead. Which in turn means they get their industry standard fee, which on big builds can be 10% of the cost.
Architects can be a cross between car salesman, engineer, and stage performer. They want their money, and can put on a good performance to ensure they get it.
Thanks for this!! "That mans a Twat!" hahahaha
It's a bit unfair on the Architect because it concentrates on one issue and there were probably many because engineers make mistakes like everyone else. It's good that the architect was a perfectionist because he drove them to do the job as well as they were able.
you sir, are amazing.
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What an interesting program. It's great how much that architect cares about what he's doing but he knows he's up against people working to budgets.
Have there been any more episodes of this? Great stuff.
03:38 Bonus!? You're lucky you have a job 🤣...have to agree with Claire that architects are on cloud 9....they still are in 2020...24:50 wow the architect was in tears 🤣
Europe's destination station - and then --- BREXIT! 😅🤣🤣🤣
I've a name in mind for that project manager, but I don't wish to insult female canines.
if you pay for such a project that's the type of person you want to hire ^^ I guess
And another good series gets uploaded thaaaaanks! :D
Alistair has a great friend!
+Sam “Platypus” Jones Yea was good advice he was giving, great confidant
From Madrid-Atocha to London-St. Pancras in high speed train. I'm up!!
I found it in case anyone else wanted to know. It's the second movement of Beethoven's 9th symphony.
Can someone explain where the 2 inch overshoot is exactly? I'm looking at the station on Google earth and can't find anything off.
Non-British people don't "get" British humor, do they...
4 years late in reply but on the east side Pancras road. Hardly noticeable unless you’re looking for it.
Beautiful Conkers
Did the architect go visit James May in a disguise?!? Sounded exactly like him!
what is the opening music??
The architect is completely correct in most things, he was telling them about problems 6 months before and they ignored it, they rest of them were talking about "bonus" thats all they cared about
It looks wrong!! Why was the new building not made in an arch to match the original building A disaster from the outside!!!
So as to not destroy the original part of the building. Planning would never have granted to do as you suggest.
$50000 pound/day if deadlines not met vs 2inches of visual oversight....what would you do?
Sounds like some bosses I've known. Anal control freaks who get all bothered over some insignificant issue.
LLV ii
to be fair he did point it out 6 months before, so he has a point
The bloke was clearly after perfection he'd achieved earlier in theory on the display of his computer, then in practice some 'ugly' people with sledgehammers came and shatterd down his illusions.
Still I reckon he must be grateful to them as the entire structure of the building is very sound and will last probably centuries. And tourist guides must love pointing their finger at the builder's blunders and telling the amused rubber-neckers about the importance of not letting cowboy builders run the show at your expense.
Ops confusion management
Omg what channel is this on ?
OMG YAY
Anybody know what the music is that starts at 17:37 ?
Oh know, the judging peer group, not the millions who will use the facility. It will be a sad little station to the architect. OMG
I know how this station looks today...
Whom ever is the face of it is doing a damn good Job!
Does anyone know the name of the piece that is used at the beginning as theme music?
Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, Op. 125 "Choral": II. Molto vivace ruclips.net/video/_xyl5UaB2SU/видео.html
A scottish narrator^^
all that for 2" seriously!!!
I can't say I hated Alistair, nor the Mad Pixie - just anyone with more than I do.. But seriously, major Public buildings like that should follow the spirit of the original plans - and not just the spirit that can be bought with maximised bonuses. And I don't give a stuff if she can get better value at M & S than Bricks R Us, the central point is the building should be there longer than ANY of them; AND we the USERS want a piece of that original spirit when travelling to/from.
Not when you leave the station and see the Euston Road engulfed in heavy traffic, it was a cleaver project, but a confusing large shed to navigate, I remember the old station, and finding the Thameslink new platforms was even harder these days due to too many shops and furniture distractions everywhere, where I can avoid the building if I can.
Alastair Landsley was worried about some glass blocks sticking out of place, pity he and the other arseholes who were only concerned with their pay and bonuses didn’t concentrate on better things.
Ensuring the buildings air conditioning worked might have been a good idea, instead it hasn’t worked properly since day one even though engineers were in and out or rooms several times a day balancing the system and ensuring millimetre precision on ceiling tiles.
They all walked off with large bonuses and left us all with a polished turd to work with.
Architects are nothing but glorified interior decorators.
The architect is literally the only person with the correct priorities on this project. Whilst the others where busily fretting about their bonuses, he was the only one who understood that it is ultimately the British public that will be robbed for potentially centuries to come of a great piece of architecture through shoddy and rushed construction. That’s probably why he got the CBE and his name attached to such a glowing project, and they’ll fade into obscurity.
Unfortunately he’s the last of a dying breed of such architects, ones that feel the burden of societal responsibility, that act with a calculated eye towards quality, integrity and immeasurable value and who recognises relatively arbitrary economic constraints for what they are; although it’d probably be more accurate to say that such architects been killed off or neutered by such penny pinchers seen here.
@m4x1k5guy: Absolutely! What a wimp!
fuss over 2 bloddy inches!, fair enough if it was 2 feet but even then theres no need to cry over it
With the greatest of respect to the Architect, who is clearly very good at what he does.......is he autistic? That would explain his eccentric behavior. Also this is one of my favourite subs of the year. Keep up the great work Undergroundseries!!
best in the world...... ?
I can't believe that he cried. Boss dude needs to trim his nose hair.
He has a valid point of view but man up ffs
all v.good for UK but when was GBP 15 b spent on AL rest of UK combine? HIgh speed never, subway / tramway for my town Leeds scrapped for budget, disgrce everything focused on London
+Dan Dared weren't you on the crossrail video?
+Dan Dared The hint is London is the capital and the centre for transport from Europe.
Money is still flowing out of London overall despite inward spending on infrastructure projects...
Dan Dared - Dan[iel] Lister bbvbbtttrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdd
another architect acting like the building is his grand opus in his career, is the issue with every build. just acting like a brat when things don't happen as he had dreamt. architect: an artist who has to depend on craftsmen to create his art..?
Got it perfect on one side and a balls up on the other. Typically British sloppy work practises!
Great station but it stinks diesel fumes
Electrification finally happening!
All that money....... now we're coming out of the EU. Perhaps they'll just change the name, cos soon we'll no longer be "in" the EU.
25:01 ....what a drama queen ..... it's his job to have been on that 5 months ago.... and who PAID for the bad job
Details?? This was boring and just talking heads.
what a weirdo that guy at the start is! Bet he hasnt got much of a social life.