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They just always have a few products which consistently do well and it gives them a little extra capital to actually try and do something new instead of just making knockoffs of other ideas. It helps to be rich.
Hi Matt! I know this is an old video, you're probably not going to read this and it's slightly unrelated but felt the need to share regardless! After clearing out my sadly departed uncles house, I came across a Sony PS-Q7 turntable. Nicotine stained and in a non-working state, there were some who wished to throw it in landfill. After watching your videos and getting a better understanding of the mechanics of these machines (they can be salvaged!) I decided to take it home. After some prodding and poking, it turns out it was the drive belt of the tone arm. I managed to get it working with the faulty belt, but ordered a new one to give it a new lease of life. Thank you for your videos, not only are they fun and educational, but they give numpties like me the confidence to save treasures from the scrap heap. My teenage son has become fascinated with vinyl after I got my Project turntable. This will go to him and show a new generation the amazing engineering of the past, the value of preservation and the wonder of being curious. Thanks again.
Welcome to the PS-F9 club 😊. I have the PS-F5, PS-F9 EU and PS-F9 Japanese with FM-transmitter. I used to fix the clamp problem by easing the springtension that pushes the large pin into the hole of the vinyl by cutting the spring a little bit shorter and bend the end of it preventing hitting the plastic seem. Still it could hold heavy vinyl succesfully without aid.
Phenomenal video as always! These past few weeks I have been going on a Techmoan binge watch, and no matter how many times I see your videos, I never get tired of them. Keep up the awesome work!
I fell in love with this turntable after seeing your video. I found one on Jauce shortly after and pulled the trigger. Paid quite a bit for it even though it was untested. I got it in the mail today and it had the same problem as yours so I applied your fix and it fixed it right up! It does have another intermittent issue where the stylus will not always stay down after pressing play but I will look into that later. I just want to clarify for others that may be looking for help with a similar problem that you can remove the entire gear assembly and you can take gears off of the shaft and separate them to get to the felt washer. My washer was intact but for some reason it was still slipping hence why I had to use your fix. Anyway, to get the assembly out, you want to remove the two screws from the top of the motor and just let the motor kind of hang there, it will not fall. Then, to get the actual bracket with the gears out, there are two additional screws in the front, they're the same size as the ones from the motor. Once all four screws are removed, the entire assembly can be carefully removed. The gears are held onto the shaft by very small and hard to see plastic clips. You have to be very very careful when removing them. I used a hobby knife to assist but putting it under the clip and pushing upward. I cannot stress how careful you have to be to both no damage them or lose them when doing this. Hopefully this helps other people. Thanks for your help!
I got my PS-F9 about 2 years ago, and it suffers from the same issue that yours initially did. Although I upgraded the stylus and replaced the belt that drives the tonearm mechanism, I was too afraid to tamper with the clamp mechanism lest I break something. Thanks to you, I finally know how to fix this. Many thanks, sir!
The Other Techmoan Effect is where you go out and buy music heard on one of your videos because its been stuck in your head all day. Sam and Dave (or their estate holders) should thank you.
I just watched this and went looking for the Stax record. There’s a new colored vinyl version that is red and white. It came out in January of this year. I love that Techmoan gets some of his cool colored vinyl at Newbury Comics. That’s where I get mine as well!
I just came upon this video and am very pleased to say that I have a PS F9 which I love to bits. You talk of being careful not to damage the record as you insert and seat it in the slot. The best way to do this is by inserting the record with its sleeve still on and then removing the sleeve afterwards.
Corey Willis Yes, I agree, Sony was the Apple of their day. Lots of innovation and very high quality. It's a shame to see how they have declined over the past 25 years or so. What I don't understand is why they appear to have given up in so many ways.
+watershed44 When the fuck did Apple innovate? They literally ripped off Sony's old designs for their iPhone. Apple's policy of removing ports creating such stupid designs like Macbook Pro and iPhone 7 which either have extremely inefficient performances because they lack airflow or are too thin, or they are so thin they break in half. And to slap insult on injury their software is among the worst in the industry, seriously no one learned how to do software from IBM?? Clearly Microsoft did and Sony because theirs is at least working properly. And then finally when they make half assed products that are terrible for performance, too shit for reliability and no upgradeability at all they slap on a huge ass pricetag to make it a "brand"
SMGJohn I totally agree with you, I was just speaking about the way they are both perceived by the masses correct or not. 1000% true that Sony was a true innovator from the ground up, while Apple usually was just very good at taking other's concepts and ideas and marketing them brilliantly. I truly miss the old Sony, and have bought MANY of their products over the past 40 years or so.
SMGJohn I wish more people knew about how Apple stole Xerox idea for the computer mouse. I find it very interesting that this very major story never seems to be brought up in the media and never has been since the beginning. I would tell folks to research that theft.
I really enjoy how your videos touch both ends, the overall information/history of the tech and also the personal experience with each individual device.
I remember when you reviewed and restored that other vertical turntable how you'd like to have this one but it being too expensive. Good to see your videos are allowing you to get hold of that type of stuff anyway.
I'm glad you remembered. I really wasn't comfortable paying what I paid for this, but they rarely appear for sale and ever since that video I've been looking for a PS-F9 under £500 and this was the first one I saw.
Techmoan Sometimes you get lucky like that... A few weeks ago I got lucky in the same way, I was on a fleamarket and I always tend to look for tech/cameras... I saw a box with a few lenses sticking out. I picked one out (the one that looked most impressive) and saw that it was a Canon 300mm F4 L lens, the guy selling them says "10 euros for the whole lot" so you can imagine how quickly I walked off with the box smiling. That L lens alone is €400+, it's an old professional lens, super sharp. Besides that there were some crappy photo-flashers but also some lenses which at first glance seemed like those €5 bad ones, turns out as I put it on marktplaats (a site which you might want to search around on by the way) it was €110 too, together with some €20 stuff. Made 500+ that day if I hadn't kept most the stuff :)
What a beautiful merging of design and technology. One of my favourite aspects of your videos are you talking through your troubleshooting/repair process. It's a good encouragement for those of us trying to fix things that have similar small issues to keep trying different things and piecing the puzzle together! :-)
I would buy this for the new vinyls from Death Waltz, they really make amazing looking vinyls that should be displayed vertically. The best part of this video is the trial and error of repair that went into this thing, as a retro tech nerd, I found that truly entertaining!. Another great video @Techmoan
The whole mechanism really is quite elegant, industrial design at its finest. Glad to see you were able to get yours working with such a simple "hack".
Nice one- I have similar clamping issues with mine, except had to 3D print one of the gears as a previous owner had glued the 2 gears together and a load of teeth had been stripped from one. I'm close to it working again, but it's now slipping like yours & I still have some work to do. The original spring was missing too, and I'm experimenting with different springs from my collection of spares. I'm going to try your tape idea-good call. I'd tried some different rubber washers, but they've all been too slippy. I think another reason that there's a clutch is to provide some give at each end of travel. You can remove the whole clamp motor mount assembly by removing two small screws at the front, but probably best to avoid doing so if possible as the motor is connected by a fragile looking ribbon cable. Cheers for linking to my website in your description : )
I hope you get it working. If I'd known about this slipping issue, I'd probably have just got a PS-F5, but the Quartz Lock, the Line out and the non-yellowing made me lean towards the F9.
I frequent YT for a few specific topics. Tech is hardly one of them. However, that has changed since I've discovered your channel and subscribed. I get excited whenever I get the notice for a new video :) Great content and excellent, excellent breaking down of how this often obscure (to me) stuff works. Your love for what you do is evident in your videos. For that, I am thankful.
I always wanted one of these, but they are expensive and recently saw that the audio technica Music Burger came back out and getting one of those. Sorry if the name is different and can’t think of. I’m American and have been collecting vintage Japanese electronics since 96. Back then everyone thought I was mad but it’s like collecting art to me and I very attracted to. I think all these Japanese electrons were at its height in the 80’s when I was too young to get any bc of lack of funds. Why I might be fascinated by these past gadgets from Japan. I’ve noticed it hasn’t still caught on collecting Japanese electronics or vintage Japanese watches. But I’ve noticed the Brit’s have a fascination for these vintage Japanese electronics bc many of these videos are made by Brit’s.
Oh and once on an import house music 12” album cover, there was a record player that only covered 25% of the record player and a small square. I always wanted to know the make but never seen one. They should make a book on these vintage Japanese electronics. Sharp used to make a boombox with a turntable the slid out that was very cool. I had this great Sony boombox that was top of the line and the cd player was motorized and very cool looking in the early 2000. I still have it boxed away, but the cd tray got stuck and either didn’t go back in or come out.
In 2010, I got a Vintage portable record player from eBay. I think it was made by Audio technica but it was purple in color and I haven’t seen another one. No one bid, so I got for like &75. In mint condition and working. I only tested and stored away bc I wanted to keep it in mint condition. But sadly someone broke into my store and stole most of my collectibles. But they didn’t take my Mitsubishi upright linear turntable that is a beauty with the glass door and you can see the record spinning. I actually got 2 from eBay around 2010 when many were not aware of that turntable. One is just the turntable and the other model is the turntable connected to the tape and receiver. You should have a look and I think bang and Olsen took the design in the late 90’s for their multiple cd players. Also, when I started collecting, there were only few Americans doing the same in 96 and many thought I was crazy. Well, who’s crazy now???
The Tech Moan effect is very similar to the John's Arcade effect. The same thing happens on both channels, an old broken machine is purchased. Said machine is fixed and demoed, then everybody wants one. Prices then skyrocket :) Your repair videos are always my favourite as I like to see how things work. Great video :)
The Techmoan Effect: The giddy and warm feeling you get when you realize there is another interesting and informative video just waiting to be watched. Thank you!
Alparslan Esmer if you click the link it jumps to a part of the video. "One question I get a lot is ..." Put a bit of work in before you beak off on the internet, lest you look like a fool.
Very informative! Especially that bit about the felt washer. Now I know what to watch for if I see a pair of friction gears like that. Thanks for sharing!
Great video. I'm an English student at the University and it's really nice to listen to something with nice British English. Having fun and improving my pronunciation
Hope you somehow will read this. In my old line of work in the bicycle industry we used a kind of friction grease to make the seatpost and other parts that shouldn't be sliding when you don't want it to. This kind of grease is often called carbon grease, some of these got a bit of sand mixed with the grease, but there are friction grease made for carbon bicycle frames that, instead of sand, got tiny plastic particles mixed with the grease. The plastic-particle-grease shouldn't wear the cogs out any faster than the felt mat would, i'd say. This could work for the sliding friction cogs when the felt mat no longer works.
Very cool record player, but I LOVE to see your troubleshooting and fixing. and especially your 'errors' in repair, like where you discovered the felt washer pad. I can't count the number of times I've tried a semi-destructive troubleshooting method, like you did with the file only to realize "oops..." after the fact. It's good to know that others screw up in the same way. Your channel is one of my favorites. Please keep the videos (and puppets) coming!
Agreed! I was around when Sony was THE electronic brand to buy for just about anything you could think of if you wanted quality and durability. It's like they just gave up over the past 25 years. Remember "It's a Sony!" was their tag line? They were the Apple of their day.
About 20yrs ago Sony started selling re-branded low-quality Chinese made products in an attempt to capture a larger portion of the market, however it was a disastrous move which just sullied their brand-name and cost them customers! A good example of how Sony is still sticking to this rather poor strategy is Techmoan's recent 'East Meets West' boombox review (ruclips.net/video/7mYoi3uJEi0/видео.html ) and I know which product I'd buy as it would still be working in 15-20yrs! Where ever possible Pioneer is the brand I've always bought for audio equipment because while it may not be top-end hifi with a price-tag to match, the quality has always been reasonably good and value for money!
Akio Morita and Masaru Ibuka died, that is what happened funny enough Morita was a great critique of Capitalism which is ironic considered he ran the largest electronics Corporation at the time. Never the less his critique was nothing new at the time in Japan as many big Corporation in Japan rose to quality and innovation BECAUSE of the Japanese planning committee that literally forced them to innovate and forbade them from using western tech. This is how Japan became an electronics giant, they had to innovate and make their own microprocessors and electronics rather than buying original western designs and adapt them. With the death of their CEO who held such dear philosophy which belonged more in countries like the Soviet rather than a Capitalist business economy, the new CEO quickly adapted hardline market ideas and basically they started using really low end shitty Chinese rebrands which killed their reputation and to make matters worse they destroyed a huge portion of their own product line up, they damaged their camera and TV lineup as being terrible because they literally were in the beginning. After this CEO who literally killed Sony in many ways, they slapped themselves real good and went back to their roots, sort of.
Yeah, they probably aren't the household name they once used to be, but their newest digital mirrorless cameras nowadays are awesome, in the sense that they bring a lot of new things to a pretty stagnant market. In other words, they innovate!
SMGJohn Thanks for bringing up the founders of Sony! It seems like so many of the great names in Japan from Sony to Honda have decided to stop trying to lead and just become followers in their respective industries once their founders pass away. I agree that it seems like finally after about two decades or more both these once great companies are slowly trying to extricate themselves from the funk they've been in.
MrHack4never mini disc was around for years, growing up almost everyone I knew had one. Just never caught on in the US. Popular in the UK though. I still have a MD LP portable player and a Sony HIFI minidisc stacked recorder too.
I have seen many novel uses for linear tracking record decks, but this is by far the best! I did have a standard linear tracking deck many moons ago, I think it was a Technics, it would occasionally suffer from a creaky mechanism at start of play in a 12 inch disc. Fortunately this was easily rectified by removing the dried out grease on the slider with Isopropyl alcohol and a cloth, then smearing a small amount of white grease along the slider. Thanks for this video, many happy memories brought back by this.
That's not a prerequisite for it being a clutch. In particular this one is a slip clutch. They're widely used in machinery; printers, copiers all the way up to heavy equipment.
Correct, the most simplest form as used in cases like this are called a friction-clutches. The first motor vehicles usually used leather as the friction material in theirs!
Loved this video. Great suggestion for them to remake this product, I think if they did I would pick one up - Perhaps updating it to have a USB output like the more modern ones, although that isn't a must-have feature. Just the original remade would be a great item to have, and an attractive conversation piece around the house!
I thought this too. Maybe someone remembered the wrong bird, but they got far enough into the marketing development that it wasn't worth changing once anyone noticed. Or maybe it's just "standing on one leg".
The "Techmoan" effect is a very real thing. It makes the videos you produce very bittersweet - here's a great item u can no longer afford. Anyway, still love the videos - and the puppets.
these stand-up turntables have always looked cool in some sort of way to me... but I don't know in what way. but i'm happy you showed that there is a sony design history page. I have a lot of things from sony that I want to see more about.
i love your videos, I love the innovation of sony products. I studied product design at uni and I hate how much praise Apple gets from tutors when they've not done much.
DARKRYDER7 In terms of making innovative products, I would say Apple is sometimes questionable on that front. In terms of product design, I'd say Apple is more successful at making products that look striking, sexy, and different from the norms of the industry.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos really! One way or another, this one got me thinking about a portable record player I had when I was a child, I guess it was around 1981 or something like that. I don't remember the brand or model anymore, but I remember it only was able to play 45 rpm records. You had to pop them into a slot at the front of the device, it clicked in place and started playing. At the end of the record, the record stopped spinning and at the left of the record slot, there was a round button to eject the record. Also at the front, there was a volume control and a tone control and I remember at the back, there was a plug for a power lead; I never used that as it also ran on batteries. I really love to own one like that again, but I have no idea of the brand or model...
I can already imagine a new Sony Flamingo with a Class D amplifier (for longer battery life), perhaps higher power outputs for external speakers, maybe even an option to send the audio via Bluetooth to other devices.
I first saw this phonograph in the movie, "Wings of Desire". It shows up early on, probably within the first 15 minutes or so. Glad I could learn more about it!
On page 13 of the service manual it shows how to remove the full gear assembly (it's the two small screws you see at 5:17). www.future-forms.com/manuals/sony-psf9.pdf
@@blendedberries His fix is absolutely not the right way to go about it, but I don't think it realty stuck the two gears together, the cloth tape he is using only has adhesive on one side.
I was hoping, when you were comparing the price of this product to other Sony product at the start, you were going to find a similar priced product and then find the same product in a European or British magazine to give us a price. As I still didn't get how much it cost back then
I am soooo jealous that you found on of these and at that PRICE !!!!! If sony ever brings one of these back (assuming good quality build) I would be right there to buy one..... maybe two. I just didn’t have the insight to purchase one back in the days and now I am paying for it in desire. Yours looks like it is really in great shape .... super !
The problem with the friction-clutch wasn't with that part of the mechanism but with the lubrication of the clamping mechanism itself drying out over time. I'm certain that spraying a small amount of white-grease on that spiral section would have had it clamping properly! Agree that Sony should re-release devices like this that would have a market today, perhaps in contemporary colours like black & gun-metal to distinguish them from the classic collector items. However, what concerns me is what you didn't evaluate was whether there was an acceptable level of wow & flutter, or was it originally more of an example of Sony marketing miniaturisation at the expense of performance? Btw, do you sell those Techmoan singles, as I can see them becoming very collectable!?!
MrWombatty Indeed, there is a significant market that would pay very good money for such classics, why they haven't done it is a mystery. It might just help jump start the company's fortunes after decades of decline.
Sorry, missed that. Maybe the whole mechanism needed to cleaned first, but obviously that would entail a rather tricky disassemble! As to why the friction-clutch was slipping too easily, I had a thought that the previous owner may have sprayed everything with WD40, including that friction-clutch! Unfortunately, contrary to popular belief WD40 isn't always the best lubricant to use as it thins out existing grease then dries out leaving inadequate lubrication in some places, but will also leave a greasy residue creating a problem where lubricant isn't wanted! Note that I'm referring to regular WD40, not the WD40 PTFE (wet or dry Teflon) in the yellow spray-cans!
The intro relied on the persistence of vision effect created with flashing leds that are synchronised with a magnet near the left reel that tells them when to flash so the text remains horizontal and the right way up.
Coloured vinyl was all the rage back in the 70's and 80's. It could be a re-issue he as bought recently but it is more likely that he bought it as a kid.
Man, that's a nice looking machine (with a nice video to go with). I love when companies do this, plastic doesn't have to look cheap and tacky, it can have a bit of flair.
I stopped at 9:25 just to laugh because I was screaming in my head as soon as you pulled the file. 'What about the clutch plate.' I thought it must be missing or you shoved it back into the axel. Sure enough, it shows up.
Found the service manual for it. You need part 153. Its a slip-clutch very much like ones found in most older VCRs. www.future-forms.com/manuals/sony-psf9.pdf
You got your hands on one of these! I figured this was always going to be a case of too expensive for you to review! Glad to see it in action, such a nice design, I hope they do an NES Classic situation as well, would love to buy one of these!
Nothing is made in Japan anymore except maybe animal-themed pencil erasers. So if Sony reintroduced classic products, they would be built to the modern Chinese junk standard.
Chinese manufacturing factories build what the client specifies. If the client does their own engineering and presents a design, specification and bill of materials that is high quality, the end product will be high quality. Unfortunately, way too many clients are designing to a price point not to a quality standard. The Walmart's of the world push for lower and lower cost with every order. Even more of them don't actually engineer anything. They go through the items the Chinese offer for sale and stick their brand on it with very little changes that aren't just cosmetic. So that, in a few sentences, is why a lot of Chinese made goods are of such low quality. Ah, but they're cheap.
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Techmoan thanks! 👍👍👍
Techmoan was that the blues brothers? nice
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Brilliant, I enjoy your videos. You always find interesting tech.
Should I look in this videos description or a different one? Are there puppets at the end of this video? Please reply before I finish the video.
I swear, if they re-release this again today with exactly same design they'd sell them like hot cakes. Even hipsters would buy them :)
Only hipsters would buy them*
Honestly, if they made one in black I would buy it because it probably doesn't have a big footprint.
Hipsters would buy a turd if it was packaged right.
How with their Starbucks $'s
When nobody buys hot cakes anymore…
This honestly looks like it could have come out in 2017. How is it that some Sony products still look so modern?
They just always have a few products which consistently do well and it gives them a little extra capital to actually try and do something new instead of just making knockoffs of other ideas. It helps to be rich.
80s futurism movement.
The 80's was the future
seriously, I actually want one now
Sony was always a leader in the importance of industrial design.
"not an inexpensive machine...if I break it that's the end of it..." *jams nail file and paper clip in delicate mechanism*
Bill Westfall well he did say it was a last resort
*Bill Westfall
* That got me laughing, very funny.
I died ahaha
That's why Techmoan is the boss.
Hi Matt!
I know this is an old video, you're probably not going to read this and it's slightly unrelated but felt the need to share regardless!
After clearing out my sadly departed uncles house, I came across a Sony PS-Q7 turntable. Nicotine stained and in a non-working state, there were some who wished to throw it in landfill. After watching your videos and getting a better understanding of the mechanics of these machines (they can be salvaged!) I decided to take it home. After some prodding and poking, it turns out it was the drive belt of the tone arm. I managed to get it working with the faulty belt, but ordered a new one to give it a new lease of life.
Thank you for your videos, not only are they fun and educational, but they give numpties like me the confidence to save treasures from the scrap heap.
My teenage son has become fascinated with vinyl after I got my Project turntable. This will go to him and show a new generation the amazing engineering of the past, the value of preservation and the wonder of being curious.
Thanks again.
This thing would have looked so futuristic in 1983. It's a nifty device.
That thing cost 40,000 Yen in 1983, equivalent to $170 (or $400 in today's money). Probably the upper end of portable disc players.
For $150 in 1983 I bought a 4-speed Panasonic stereo unit with AM/FM tuner and cassette recorder.
Welcome to the PS-F9 club 😊. I have the PS-F5, PS-F9 EU and PS-F9 Japanese with FM-transmitter. I used to fix the clamp problem by easing the springtension that pushes the large pin into the hole of the vinyl by cutting the spring a little bit shorter and bend the end of it preventing hitting the plastic seem. Still it could hold heavy vinyl succesfully without aid.
Phenomenal video as always! These past few weeks I have been going on a Techmoan binge watch, and no matter how many times I see your videos, I never get tired of them. Keep up the awesome work!
Duffel Bag Full of Tech me too... loving the videos.
I fell in love with this turntable after seeing your video. I found one on Jauce shortly after and pulled the trigger. Paid quite a bit for it even though it was untested. I got it in the mail today and it had the same problem as yours so I applied your fix and it fixed it right up! It does have another intermittent issue where the stylus will not always stay down after pressing play but I will look into that later. I just want to clarify for others that may be looking for help with a similar problem that you can remove the entire gear assembly and you can take gears off of the shaft and separate them to get to the felt washer. My washer was intact but for some reason it was still slipping hence why I had to use your fix.
Anyway, to get the assembly out, you want to remove the two screws from the top of the motor and just let the motor kind of hang there, it will not fall. Then, to get the actual bracket with the gears out, there are two additional screws in the front, they're the same size as the ones from the motor. Once all four screws are removed, the entire assembly can be carefully removed. The gears are held onto the shaft by very small and hard to see plastic clips. You have to be very very careful when removing them. I used a hobby knife to assist but putting it under the clip and pushing upward. I cannot stress how careful you have to be to both no damage them or lose them when doing this. Hopefully this helps other people. Thanks for your help!
I got my PS-F9 about 2 years ago, and it suffers from the same issue that yours initially did. Although I upgraded the stylus and replaced the belt that drives the tonearm mechanism, I was too afraid to tamper with the clamp mechanism lest I break something. Thanks to you, I finally know how to fix this. Many thanks, sir!
@@blendedberries do you have any recommendations for a cartridge or stylus upgrade?
The Other Techmoan Effect is where you go out and buy music heard on one of your videos because its been stuck in your head all day. Sam and Dave (or their estate holders) should thank you.
I just watched this and went looking for the Stax record. There’s a new colored vinyl version that is red and white. It came out in January of this year. I love that Techmoan gets some of his cool colored vinyl at Newbury Comics. That’s where I get mine as well!
I'm fascinated by these weird and wonderful retro tech and it's great to see them showcased like this!
I just came upon this video and am very pleased to say that I have a PS F9 which I love to bits. You talk of being careful not to damage the record as you insert and seat it in the slot. The best way to do this is by inserting the record with its sleeve still on and then removing the sleeve afterwards.
Sony would make a killing selling remakes of their old products! Genius!
Corey Willis
Yes, I agree, Sony was the Apple of their day. Lots of innovation and very high quality. It's a shame to see how they have declined over the past 25 years or so. What I don't understand is why they appear to have given up in so many ways.
They'd certainly get somewhere if they put out a new version of the F9.
+watershed44
When the fuck did Apple innovate? They literally ripped off Sony's old designs for their iPhone.
Apple's policy of removing ports creating such stupid designs like Macbook Pro and iPhone 7 which either have extremely inefficient performances because they lack airflow or are too thin, or they are so thin they break in half.
And to slap insult on injury their software is among the worst in the industry, seriously no one learned how to do software from IBM?? Clearly Microsoft did and Sony because theirs is at least working properly.
And then finally when they make half assed products that are terrible for performance, too shit for reliability and no upgradeability at all they slap on a huge ass pricetag to make it a "brand"
SMGJohn
I totally agree with you, I was just speaking about the way they are both perceived by the masses correct or not. 1000% true that Sony was a true innovator from the ground up, while Apple usually was just very good at taking other's concepts and ideas and marketing them brilliantly. I truly miss the old Sony, and have bought MANY of their products over the past 40 years or so.
SMGJohn
I wish more people knew about how Apple stole Xerox idea for the computer mouse. I find it very interesting that this very major story never seems to be brought up in the media and never has been since the beginning. I would tell folks to research that theft.
I really enjoy how your videos touch both ends, the overall information/history of the tech and also the personal experience with each individual device.
I remember when you reviewed and restored that other vertical turntable how you'd like to have this one but it being too expensive. Good to see your videos are allowing you to get hold of that type of stuff anyway.
I'm glad you remembered. I really wasn't comfortable paying what I paid for this, but they rarely appear for sale and ever since that video I've been looking for a PS-F9 under £500 and this was the first one I saw.
Techmoan Sometimes you get lucky like that... A few weeks ago I got lucky in the same way, I was on a fleamarket and I always tend to look for tech/cameras... I saw a box with a few lenses sticking out. I picked one out (the one that looked most impressive) and saw that it was a Canon 300mm F4 L lens, the guy selling them says "10 euros for the whole lot" so you can imagine how quickly I walked off with the box smiling. That L lens alone is €400+, it's an old professional lens, super sharp. Besides that there were some crappy photo-flashers but also some lenses which at first glance seemed like those €5 bad ones, turns out as I put it on marktplaats (a site which you might want to search around on by the way) it was €110 too, together with some €20 stuff. Made 500+ that day if I hadn't kept most the stuff :)
That's where your knowledge really comes off - I wouldn't have had much of a clue...but even I would know that €10 sounded too cheap.
Techmoan What I often do is just keep ebay open on my phone and type in modelnumbers of whatever tech seems interesting.
I would love the Grim Fandango OST on vinyl.
What a beautiful merging of design and technology. One of my favourite aspects of your videos are you talking through your troubleshooting/repair process. It's a good encouragement for those of us trying to fix things that have similar small issues to keep trying different things and piecing the puzzle together! :-)
Get a 3D printer for repairs. Completely changed the way I treat devices with broken plastic parts.
The future sure is wild, huh
Another retro gem,going on my want list. Thanks Matt
I would buy this for the new vinyls from Death Waltz, they really make amazing looking vinyls that should be displayed vertically. The best part of this video is the trial and error of repair that went into this thing, as a retro tech nerd, I found that truly entertaining!. Another great video @Techmoan
The whole mechanism really is quite elegant, industrial design at its finest. Glad to see you were able to get yours working with such a simple "hack".
Still a brilliant device, even after 35 years. It still looks amazing, Akio Morita was way ahead of his time.
I have literally been waiting on this video for years. I have the PS-F9 and have wanted to hear your take on the machine. Thanks for the share!!
Nice one- I have similar clamping issues with mine, except had to 3D print one of the gears as a previous owner had glued the 2 gears together and a load of teeth had been stripped from one. I'm close to it working again, but it's now slipping like yours & I still have some work to do. The original spring was missing too, and I'm experimenting with different springs from my collection of spares. I'm going to try your tape idea-good call. I'd tried some different rubber washers, but they've all been too slippy. I think another reason that there's a clutch is to provide some give at each end of travel.
You can remove the whole clamp motor mount assembly by removing two small screws at the front, but probably best to avoid doing so if possible as the motor is connected by a fragile looking ribbon cable.
Cheers for linking to my website in your description : )
I hope you get it working. If I'd known about this slipping issue, I'd probably have just got a PS-F5, but the Quartz Lock, the Line out and the non-yellowing made me lean towards the F9.
Do you have the 3D files for the gear that you could share? Mine is broken too.
@@benpollardmathias Yeah mine as well. Looking for 3D files for printing. Thans
I frequent YT for a few specific topics. Tech is hardly one of them. However, that has changed since I've discovered your channel and subscribed. I get excited whenever I get the notice for a new video :) Great content and excellent, excellent breaking down of how this often obscure (to me) stuff works. Your love for what you do is evident in your videos. For that, I am thankful.
Thanks, Techmoan, for putting the link to the Sony Design History site; very thoughtful.
Thank you for being in the elite and exclusive club of people who read the information in the video description text box.
Brpwn dood .
They are 3000-4000 dollars these days. A re-release is truly needed. It would be a delightful fit to so many living rooms.
Would be.
I really like your repair storys. They are like a journey :)
You have got to be the single greatest RUclipsr there is. This is what internet should be filled up with. Gracias !!!
wow, that really has a futuristic design, it still looks clean and cool compared to most 2017 things
I always wanted one of these, but they are expensive and recently saw that the audio technica Music Burger came back out and getting one of those. Sorry if the name is different and can’t think of.
I’m American and have been collecting vintage Japanese electronics since 96. Back then everyone thought I was mad but it’s like collecting art to me and I very attracted to. I think all these Japanese electrons were at its height in the 80’s when I was too young to get any bc of lack of funds. Why I might be fascinated by these past gadgets from Japan.
I’ve noticed it hasn’t still caught on collecting Japanese electronics or vintage Japanese watches. But I’ve noticed the Brit’s have a fascination for these vintage Japanese electronics bc many of these videos are made by Brit’s.
Oh and once on an import house music 12” album cover, there was a record player that only covered 25% of the record player and a small square. I always wanted to know the make but never seen one. They should make a book on these vintage Japanese electronics.
Sharp used to make a boombox with a turntable the slid out that was very cool. I had this great Sony boombox that was top of the line and the cd player was motorized and very cool looking in the early 2000. I still have it boxed away, but the cd tray got stuck and either didn’t go back in or come out.
In 2010, I got a Vintage portable record player from eBay. I think it was made by Audio technica but it was purple in color and I haven’t seen another one. No one bid, so I got for like &75. In mint condition and working. I only tested and stored away bc I wanted to keep it in mint condition. But sadly someone broke into my store and stole most of my collectibles.
But they didn’t take my Mitsubishi upright linear turntable that is a beauty with the glass door and you can see the record spinning. I actually got 2 from eBay around 2010 when many were not aware of that turntable. One is just the turntable and the other model is the turntable connected to the tape and receiver. You should have a look and I think bang and Olsen took the design in the late 90’s for their multiple cd players.
Also, when I started collecting, there were only few Americans doing the same in 96 and many thought I was crazy. Well, who’s crazy now???
The Tech Moan effect is very similar to the John's Arcade effect. The same thing happens on both channels, an old broken machine is purchased. Said machine is fixed and demoed, then everybody wants one. Prices then skyrocket :) Your repair videos are always my favourite as I like to see how things work. Great video :)
The Techmoan Effect: The giddy and warm feeling you get when you realize there is another interesting and informative video just waiting to be watched. Thank you!
I'd love to see you review one of those vinyl players that use a lazer to track the grooves rather than a needle.
Here's your answer ruclips.net/video/GgAUxJmh5uE/видео.htmlm17s
lmao
Techmoan, Queenz is talking about ELP laser turntable. ruclips.net/video/W_4sooWCh_Y/видео.html That's a 15 grand deck.
Alparslan Esmer if you click the link it jumps to a part of the video. "One question I get a lot is ..." Put a bit of work in before you beak off on the internet, lest you look like a fool.
Alparslan Esmer Also can’t play colored vinyl, pictures discs, and it even has problems with dust on black vinyl.
Very informative! Especially that bit about the felt washer. Now I know what to watch for if I see a pair of friction gears like that.
Thanks for sharing!
Look forward to all your reviews love this channel keep up the great work
Great video. I'm an English student at the University and it's really nice to listen to something with nice British English. Having fun and improving my pronunciation
Hope you somehow will read this.
In my old line of work in the bicycle industry we used a kind of friction grease to make the seatpost and other parts that shouldn't be sliding when you don't want it to.
This kind of grease is often called carbon grease, some of these got a bit of sand mixed with the grease, but there are friction grease made for carbon bicycle frames that, instead of sand, got tiny plastic particles mixed with the grease. The plastic-particle-grease shouldn't wear the cogs out any faster than the felt mat would, i'd say. This could work for the sliding friction cogs when the felt mat no longer works.
Ah, is this a really thick grease which is used in soft eject & tonearm damping mechanisms?
Very cool record player, but I LOVE to see your troubleshooting and fixing. and especially your 'errors' in repair, like where you discovered the felt washer pad. I can't count the number of times I've tried a semi-destructive troubleshooting method, like you did with the file only to realize "oops..." after the fact. It's good to know that others screw up in the same way. Your channel is one of my favorites. Please keep the videos (and puppets) coming!
What happened to you Sony? You used to be cool.
Agreed! I was around when Sony was THE electronic brand to buy for just about anything you could think of if you wanted quality and durability. It's like they just gave up over the past 25 years. Remember "It's a Sony!" was their tag line? They were the Apple of their day.
About 20yrs ago Sony started selling re-branded low-quality Chinese made products in an attempt to capture a larger portion of the market, however it was a disastrous move which just sullied their brand-name and cost them customers!
A good example of how Sony is still sticking to this rather poor strategy is Techmoan's recent 'East Meets West' boombox review (ruclips.net/video/7mYoi3uJEi0/видео.html ) and I know which product I'd buy as it would still be working in 15-20yrs!
Where ever possible Pioneer is the brand I've always bought for audio equipment because while it may not be top-end hifi with a price-tag to match, the quality has always been reasonably good and value for money!
Akio Morita and Masaru Ibuka died, that is what happened funny enough Morita was a great critique of Capitalism which is ironic considered he ran the largest electronics Corporation at the time.
Never the less his critique was nothing new at the time in Japan as many big Corporation in Japan rose to quality and innovation BECAUSE of the Japanese planning committee that literally forced them to innovate and forbade them from using western tech.
This is how Japan became an electronics giant, they had to innovate and make their own microprocessors and electronics rather than buying original western designs and adapt them.
With the death of their CEO who held such dear philosophy which belonged more in countries like the Soviet rather than a Capitalist business economy, the new CEO quickly adapted hardline market ideas and basically they started using really low end shitty Chinese rebrands which killed their reputation and to make matters worse they destroyed a huge portion of their own product line up, they damaged their camera and TV lineup as being terrible because they literally were in the beginning.
After this CEO who literally killed Sony in many ways, they slapped themselves real good and went back to their roots, sort of.
Yeah, they probably aren't the household name they once used to be, but their newest digital mirrorless cameras nowadays are awesome, in the sense that they bring a lot of new things to a pretty stagnant market. In other words, they innovate!
SMGJohn
Thanks for bringing up the founders of Sony! It seems like so many of the great names in Japan from Sony to Honda have decided to stop trying to lead and just become followers in their respective industries once their founders pass away. I agree that it seems like finally after about two decades or more both these once great companies are slowly trying to extricate themselves from the funk they've been in.
The Sony Design History is a delight to view!
Quick everyone spam Sony, hopefully they'll remake this awesome little player!
Nick MG
Hopefully in a different colour and internal layout, so that assholes doesn't just make scam-listings on ebay
MrHack4never mini disc was around for years, growing up almost everyone I knew had one. Just never caught on in the US. Popular in the UK though. I still have a MD LP portable player and a Sony HIFI minidisc stacked recorder too.
macnerd93
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They have to remake this as a vinyl record player, dual deck cassette player & recorder and a colab with Superscope to make it the Superscope PSD300
That is one nifty turntable. This was Sony design and engineering at it's best. It's so elegant and cleverly designed.
HE FINALLY GOT ONE, GUYS!!!
When you mentioned this in other videos I had always wanted to see you review it. Glad you finally found it!
Have you ever been to the Sony Archive Museum in Tokyo? You would love it.
A visit would make a great "special" techmoan video!
It’s permanently closed :(
You know you've made it when you have an effect named after you! Brilliant vid, and surprising quality coming from that unit! Brilliant!
I love the troubleshooting videos even more than straight review videos.
Never miss an episode, puppets or not. Truly excellent. Also: Sony, get to work on the Sony Classic Collection!
I have seen many novel uses for linear tracking record decks, but this is by far the best! I did have a standard linear tracking deck many moons ago, I think it was a Technics, it would occasionally suffer from a creaky mechanism at start of play in a 12 inch disc. Fortunately this was easily rectified by removing the dried out grease on the slider with Isopropyl alcohol and a cloth, then smearing a small amount of white grease along the slider. Thanks for this video, many happy memories brought back by this.
Those two spinny things are called a clutch.
Paul Hicks It's not a regular clutch that can be operated on/off though.
That's not a prerequisite for it being a clutch. In particular this one is a slip clutch. They're widely used in machinery; printers, copiers all the way up to heavy equipment.
Yes. It is a still ctutch. But in this case ise used tu limit torgue. BTW RC clutch disc material would be probably better way to fix it.
Correct, the most simplest form as used in cases like this are called a friction-clutches.
The first motor vehicles usually used leather as the friction material in theirs!
Yup, I cringed when he used that file to scratch the inside of that clutch, "yep, it's foked" was my reaction.
Sounds wayyyy better than expected! Better than many conventional portable record players.
Loved this video. Great suggestion for them to remake this product, I think if they did I would pick one up - Perhaps updating it to have a USB output like the more modern ones, although that isn't a must-have feature. Just the original remade would be a great item to have, and an attractive conversation piece around the house!
What an amazing thing to watch. Thank you for digging out these little gems and showing them to us.
I would have called it a peacock. It looks nothing like a flamingo
I thought this too. Maybe someone remembered the wrong bird, but they got far enough into the marketing development that it wasn't worth changing once anyone noticed. Or maybe it's just "standing on one leg".
Peacocks were so 70's, Flamingos just scream the 80's.
I thought the same thing! "Looks more like a male peacock with its tail feathers spread out!"
I'd have called 'em chazzwozzers.
I was about to say the same thing, Joshua.
I've always wanted to see one of these In action, let alone actually get to see the inside of one!
Wonderful job as always techmoan
So very 80s
Very 80's indeed
The "Techmoan" effect is a very real thing. It makes the videos you produce very bittersweet - here's a great item u can no longer afford.
Anyway, still love the videos - and the puppets.
I have a new goal in my life: Getting that customized vinyl with the Tefifon/puppets song:
I NEED IT!!
You genius. I enjoy problem solving with creative methods.
That’s a sexy player. Especially with colored vinyls!
This is very different than my Audio-Technica Soundburger, even if they look similar. I got the new Bluetooth version. Both look amazing.
“The Techmoan Effect” would be a great band name. Get on that! 😛
You finally got one, I’m proud of you, this is such an amazing piece of tech
11:53 "I don't wanna move..." (moves tonearm)
these stand-up turntables have always looked cool in some sort of way to me... but I don't know in what way. but i'm happy you showed that there is a sony design history page. I have a lot of things from sony that I want to see more about.
i love your videos, I love the innovation of sony products. I studied product design at uni and I hate how much praise Apple gets from tutors when they've not done much.
DARKRYDER7 In terms of making innovative products, I would say Apple is sometimes questionable on that front. In terms of product design, I'd say Apple is more successful at making products that look striking, sexy, and different from the norms of the industry.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos really! One way or another, this one got me thinking about a portable record player I had when I was a child, I guess it was around 1981 or something like that. I don't remember the brand or model anymore, but I remember it only was able to play 45 rpm records. You had to pop them into a slot at the front of the device, it clicked in place and started playing. At the end of the record, the record stopped spinning and at the left of the record slot, there was a round button to eject the record. Also at the front, there was a volume control and a tone control and I remember at the back, there was a plug for a power lead; I never used that as it also ran on batteries. I really love to own one like that again, but I have no idea of the brand or model...
from the first moment i suspected that is a clutch. saw those when dissassembling an old photocopier
Finally ,the best Techmoan's episode ever....(my favorites )
I can already imagine a new Sony Flamingo with a Class D amplifier (for longer battery life), perhaps higher power outputs for external speakers, maybe even an option to send the audio via Bluetooth to other devices.
I first saw this phonograph in the movie, "Wings of Desire". It shows up early on, probably within the first 15 minutes or so. Glad I could learn more about it!
On page 13 of the service manual it shows how to remove the full gear assembly (it's the two small screws you see at 5:17).
www.future-forms.com/manuals/sony-psf9.pdf
@@blendedberries His fix is absolutely not the right way to go about it, but I don't think it realty stuck the two gears together, the cloth tape he is using only has adhesive on one side.
@@blendedberries That sounds great.
Clever product! Using linear tracking to make it small and portable with the option to play vertical and even hang on a wall!
It's clutch was worn out : ]
One of my favourite channels by far. Keep it going good sir. I'm already looking forward to the next one. Just lovely :)
Hot diggity. I hope there is a "techmoan effect!" I have one of these somewhere in the garage. I'll ebay it and up my patreon donation. Good job!
Somehow I missed this video when it came out! I always look forward to your videos (and the puppets). Thanks for doing what you do!
I was hoping, when you were comparing the price of this product to other Sony product at the start, you were going to find a similar priced product and then find the same product in a European or British magazine to give us a price. As I still didn't get how much it cost back then
I am soooo jealous that you found on of these and at that PRICE !!!!! If sony ever brings one of these back (assuming good quality build) I would be right there to buy one..... maybe two. I just didn’t have the insight to purchase one back in the days and now I am paying for it in desire. Yours looks like it is really in great shape .... super !
The problem with the friction-clutch wasn't with that part of the mechanism but with the lubrication of the clamping mechanism itself drying out over time. I'm certain that spraying a small amount of white-grease on that spiral section would have had it clamping properly!
Agree that Sony should re-release devices like this that would have a market today, perhaps in contemporary colours like black & gun-metal to distinguish them from the classic collector items. However, what concerns me is what you didn't evaluate was whether there was an acceptable level of wow & flutter, or was it originally more of an example of Sony marketing miniaturisation at the expense of performance?
Btw, do you sell those Techmoan singles, as I can see them becoming very collectable!?!
I’d already done that. See 07:14 for a mention of this.
MrWombatty
Indeed, there is a significant market that would pay very good money for such classics, why they haven't done it is a mystery. It might just help jump start the company's fortunes after decades of decline.
Sorry, missed that. Maybe the whole mechanism needed to cleaned first, but obviously that would entail a rather tricky disassemble!
As to why the friction-clutch was slipping too easily, I had a thought that the previous owner may have sprayed everything with WD40, including that friction-clutch!
Unfortunately, contrary to popular belief WD40 isn't always the best lubricant to use as it thins out existing grease then dries out leaving inadequate lubrication in some places, but will also leave a greasy residue creating a problem where lubricant isn't wanted!
Note that I'm referring to regular WD40, not the WD40 PTFE (wet or dry Teflon) in the yellow spray-cans!
Your retro tech vids are my favorite!
where's the puppets? :(
Jing Garcia Spinning around.
They are not in every video.
Then that's something that needs looking at
I know, there was just a boring video about vinyl
On a vinyl
Nice work on the fix! I love watching you fix stuff.
Why not recreate that intro of yours with the turntable?
CollinG Tech how?
Leon thepro put different colored marks along the record to make up the wordmark, set the player to high speed, and run it
CollinG Tech I think it meeds to run a lot faster to create any effect. Otherwise its just spinning text.
Leon thepro yeah, it maxes out at 30 RPM
The intro relied on the persistence of vision effect created with flashing leds that are synchronised with a magnet near the left reel that tells them when to flash so the text remains horizontal and the right way up.
I love that sam and dave record you tested it with!
Had one of these back in the day.
I do indeed sir. Twas of a Tuesday.
I bet you wish you still had it!
Yes it was always the coolest of the cool. Mine was stolen.
Brilliant Fix, Sir. Thank you for the video. Always learning something about old tech.
What's the artist that made those dual colored records you used to test the Flamingo? It sounds lovely!
also wanne know
I've now posted some information about these up in the video description text box.
Coloured vinyl was all the rage back in the 70's and 80's. It could be a re-issue he as bought recently but it is more likely that he bought it as a kid.
Watch the Blues Brother movie and you find the answer.
Or just look in the *Video Description Text Box*
Man, that's a nice looking machine (with a nice video to go with). I love when companies do this, plastic doesn't have to look cheap and tacky, it can have a bit of flair.
HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT CUSTOM SONG VINYL WITH THE PUPPET THING
Here’s the video about it ruclips.net/video/VVZwPLzjqeI/видео.html
Thanks for answering, you have inspired me to get some more vintage things
www.customrecords.com/custom_made_picture_disc_vinyl_record_LP_album.html
I been looking myself, I love how he used the puppet.
Same I want to do a meme disk
I been playing with that website for about 30 min.
Love your videos - you are worthy of having your own TV show on a network!
12:07 song? I know I look like an idiot, but I forgot the name of it
Sam & Dave- Hold On, I'm Coming
@@xSwordLilyx Thank you so much kind stranger 😁
I stopped at 9:25 just to laugh because I was screaming in my head as soon as you pulled the file. 'What about the clutch plate.' I thought it must be missing or you shoved it back into the axel. Sure enough, it shows up.
I would have never guessed a "soft" meda would have been used as friction modifier.
Seemed "sound" (pun) to me.
Found the service manual for it. You need part 153. Its a slip-clutch very much like ones found in most older VCRs.
www.future-forms.com/manuals/sony-psf9.pdf
You got your hands on one of these! I figured this was always going to be a case of too expensive for you to review! Glad to see it in action, such a nice design, I hope they do an NES Classic situation as well, would love to buy one of these!
Nothing is made in Japan anymore except maybe animal-themed pencil erasers. So if Sony reintroduced classic products, they would be built to the modern Chinese junk standard.
Asterra2 Look at the higher end. Plenty of stuff is, its just expensive
But wait... Sony manufactures many mid-range products in Thailand. I'm sure they don't make garbage there.
Chinese manufacturing factories build what the client specifies. If the client does their own engineering and presents a design, specification and bill of materials that is high quality, the end product will be high quality.
Unfortunately, way too many clients are designing to a price point not to a quality standard. The Walmart's of the world push for lower and lower cost with every order.
Even more of them don't actually engineer anything. They go through the items the Chinese offer for sale and stick their brand on it with very little changes that aren't just cosmetic.
So that, in a few sentences, is why a lot of Chinese made goods are of such low quality. Ah, but they're cheap.
thatt would be gutting but true
Incurable tinkerer... Well done again. Nifty device.
To bad this record player is so freaking expensive I'd love to get this for my vinyls. :)
Really awesome video! Thanks for all your hard work, I really enjoyed it!