Great wisdom Dave and such sympathetic and inspirational playing - an absolute education. Thank you so much. For me, a great devotee of the swish and pang, 1 Barrett Deems, 2 Bosphorus and 3 Zildjian.
I bought the Zildjian Swish Knocker about 2004 on order from the US. The guys in the store played it before I went in and I had four offers to sell before I had paid the remaining balance on the cymbal! Another casual shopper offered to buy it off me in the store before I left. They all thought it was a crash cymbal. Should have seen their faces when I demonstrated how to play it as a ride, its intended purpose! I still have it; and it's still causing jaws to drop today. Get yourselves one, and yes, play lightly to fizz up the rivets. Joy!
Well played and explained, however, I will say that China cymbals of all sizes are excellent effects cymbals for both rock and metal (and extreme metal in particular) drummers and music. And they are hit very hard! Yes, there are China cymbals by various companies that are more jazz specific and are not made to be hit hard, on a consistent basis. I remember the first time I realized what one was when with Neil Peart (RIP). When he still endorsed Zildjian, he used a swish and Wuhan China (that Zildjian probably just overlooked since you know he WAS NP!). I remember hearing him playing songs and hitting them and it caught me. I had a 16" Wuhan in the 90s and I LOVED that cymbal! I got a great sound out of it. Regardless, though, very much loved Mr. Cutler's tasteful playing and explanation.
They all sounded pretty good. Imagine like he said they'll only sound good if you play them lightly. His grooves there were actually pretty good even though they were simple.
I got a 20" vintage A 'Pang' w/ rivets. ( I'm gonna say mid '70's at the youngest). I use it in a very loud, heavy music situation. I'll tell ya what? It just KICKS ASS!! All the 'Cawhhh' and 'Psshhh' one could hope for. Great attack. Dry and Icy. Just at home in a Metal group or a Jazz Trio, whatever.
I have a vintage 20" Pang w/o rivets. May be the most powerful cymbal I've ever heard-like a China with an hour of sustain. Bought it in a pawn shop in the 90's for 50 bucks. I love that thing.
What an anti-creative mindset. If music were comprised of people entirely like you, no styles would have ever evolved or morphed & we'd all be doing the exact same thing we were 50 years ago.
Such a creative musician, who will be sadly missed. Dave, RIP
That could be the most impeccably played simple groove I've ever heard. Some people just got it.
+MP It is spellbinding isn't it.
Outstanding!
By the way: this guy was the teacher of ...................... Gavin Harrison !
Wooowwww
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Great wisdom Dave and such sympathetic and inspirational playing - an absolute education. Thank you so much. For me, a great devotee of the swish and pang, 1 Barrett Deems, 2 Bosphorus and 3 Zildjian.
What a legend! Anything would sound awesome when played by this man
I bought the Zildjian Swish Knocker about 2004 on order from the US. The guys in the store played it before I went in and I had four offers to sell before I had paid the remaining balance on the cymbal! Another casual shopper offered to buy it off me in the store before I left. They all thought it was a crash cymbal. Should have seen their faces when I demonstrated how to play it as a ride, its intended purpose! I still have it; and it's still causing jaws to drop today. Get yourselves one, and yes, play lightly to fizz up the rivets. Joy!
as much as i dislike Swish cymbals you make them sound awesome, and you have the groove of a master.
Beautiful drumming. I learned a lot from this. Thanks for sharing your gift with us, Dave.
Well played and explained, however, I will say that China cymbals of all sizes are excellent effects cymbals for both rock and metal (and extreme metal in particular) drummers and music. And they are hit very hard! Yes, there are China cymbals by various companies that are more jazz specific and are not made to be hit hard, on a consistent basis. I remember the first time I realized what one was when with Neil Peart (RIP). When he still endorsed Zildjian, he used a swish and Wuhan China (that Zildjian probably just overlooked since you know he WAS NP!). I remember hearing him playing songs and hitting them and it caught me. I had a 16" Wuhan in the 90s and I LOVED that cymbal! I got a great sound out of it. Regardless, though, very much loved Mr. Cutler's tasteful playing and explanation.
Excellent. Great info on these fabulous Chinas. Terrific player indeed!
I am surprised.. I am a Zildjian guy but that Bosphorus Cymbal blows my mind.. Thank you for this :)
Agree
That Barrett deems cymbal has a universe of sounds in it... completely beautiful
Nice feeling! Good playing! ...swish is like a thin ride with trashy sound and many "reverb" ...love thay!
Best demonstration by someone who knows what he's talking about.
Barrett's cymbal is the runaway favorite, but I do love the Bosphorus, as well. Beautiful sounds, both.
I haven't seen that particular Latin groove before. I'm adding that one to my repertoire- nice. I like this guy and like his playing very much
that bosphorus swish is awesome
the first one to his far out with my favorite sound. Where can I find one like this?
Really great playing!
I liked the bosphorus one most
dude slays
Just added this cymbal demo to my “grooves I need to learn” list.
Really nice demonstration!
Great approach.. Keep it simple and get grrat sounding gear!
They all sounded pretty good. Imagine like he said they'll only sound good if you play them lightly. His grooves there were actually pretty good even though they were simple.
Lovely playing Dave
I got a 20" vintage A 'Pang' w/ rivets. ( I'm gonna say mid '70's at the youngest). I use it in a very loud, heavy music situation. I'll tell ya what? It just KICKS ASS!! All the 'Cawhhh' and 'Psshhh' one could hope for. Great attack. Dry and Icy. Just at home in a Metal group or a Jazz Trio, whatever.
Love mine...trying to find anything Sabian makes that's close to it...no luck yet
I have a vintage 20" Pang w/o rivets. May be the most powerful cymbal I've ever heard-like a China with an hour of sustain. Bought it in a pawn shop in the 90's for 50 bucks. I love that thing.
that’s a big boy
Sam Wulfekotter 😂😂😂
Think they're all just 22 inches😂
Bosphorus done it for me, cheers mate
Love the playing but... I'm suprised at the breathing. He seems out of breath while he's sitting down. That's not good
Nice !!
Latin beat reminds me of the mambo in the honeymooners.
The bosphorus is the best, the vintage one seconds and i dont like the zildjian of the middle. sounds very similar to a stagg china.
I like all THREE!
fantastic simplistic playing. Great feel! I must practice not playing.
I love 'em.
Very cool!
So a swish cymbal is basically a sizzle made from a china?
+musicalman1995 yes, it's a china with rivets.
What is the first one?
Barrett Deems
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bosphorus 👍👍
"Still" your groove, lol?
Swish is a pang with rivets.......
They’re shaped slight different but it makes the biggest different in the world.
very creative playing i9 love it.. Too much talk.. More play please...
yeaaaaaaaaaaaah
What's that swish next to the floor tome
Bosphorus.
Paiste masters swish the best!
Am I the only person who liked the Zildjian?
Yazzy Yace I love Zildjian
Your chinas are upside down bro
No, rock players flipped them upside down. They were never played that way previously
are all drummers deaf these days all cymbals sound like garbage can lids
You are not supposed to use China's in jazz. Don't ever use China's in jazz only in metal music.
Buddy Rich uses one in every big band set. A swish with rivets. Plenty of other great players utilize them with finesse and taste as well.
Is that from the drummer rule book? I threw mine out the day I started playing lol.
They were originally used by jazz drummers
What an anti-creative mindset. If music were comprised of people entirely like you, no styles would have ever evolved or morphed & we'd all be doing the exact same thing we were 50 years ago.
One of these cymbals was "invented" and used by Mel Lewis, a jazz drummer!