Lila is a hypocrite. On one hand she praised the Whatever podcast while the other hand ridiculed it for how it manipulates and protests women as idiots for clicks. Lost a LOT of respect for Lila after seeing her state that in clips following up her appearances on Whatever.
@@kristinhornick1890 and you’re slow too haha. You responded to the commenter asking how he knows this from his statement thanking lila defending the unborn. And his position stems from watching the show hearing her argument defending it. Read this a couple of times so it can seep through
“Even the people defending it in their marriage, down the line, don’t have the best outcome.” And now Destiny has experienced this point first hand. Not celebrating his failed marriage, it’s sad, but at least if he’s honest, he can accept this point is true.
Wow, there are people who know Destiny, know he was married and that his marriage failed. I had no idea who Destiny is until his debate with Lila, still dont know really, had no idea he was married and that his marriage failed. I still don't understand. Is that Destiny person important or something?
@@AlexBobalexRavenclawit’s not that he emotionally detaches. He’s just great at gas lighting, deflecting, and projection when it comes to points and or topics he knows little on or he himself feels he has a wrong opinion objectively speaking. A lot of people can do this and easily sway people who don’t debate or rather don’t spend time in spaces where certain language is used. Those that truly debate don’t really acknowledge him as anything other than a smart streamer who somewhat holds his own with the best of them.
Imagine being so brainwashed into believing that being turned on by child SA is "not doing harm"... scary how lila is looking at this person dead in the eye questioning their view and they are unphased....
actually there has been studies that suggest that pedos who consume pedo porn control their impulse to act on it. And Germany and others european countries want implement that so less children are harmed. Some had suggested contact victims and all. Is all very mess up but I think just ignore it hasnt work at all so far, so why dont try new things?
Knowing what we know has gone down between Destiny and his wife recently makes this so much better. Pure gold. Destiny obviously has no boundaries or respect and look how that has turned out for him.
@@alyssalozoya8882He had an open marriage with a girl he married when she was 20 and he was 30. She recently left him for one of the guys she’s been sleeping with.
@@MarianMetanoia ohhh. Dang well she was so young wth. It's funny how he talks shit about the red pill when he himself chose to marry a girl 10 years younger than him. Kind of a red pill thing to do if you ask me.
@@Poongoolieit wasn’t monogamous…. That’s the point lol. She left him for a cross dresser that threatened to unalive himself if she didn’t leave destiny for him. Because he loves her more…..All alleged but the pictures are out there and she isn’t hiding that new relationship at all whatsoever.
@@vikkidonn I know destiny relationship wasn't monogamous. Original post is alluding to the idea his failed open relationship is evidence that they're bad/ineffective. Yet obviously there are failed monogamous relationships too. His relationship ending is no evidence of anything and affects no argument.
@@Poongoolie actually it does. It is another piece of evidence on a list of other instances where these open relationships fail. That is called a pattern of behavior that can be looked at and studied. Which it has, yet on several occasions destiny has used his relationship as an example of success. Yet it failed as predicted by history of the pattern of behavior displayed. Which means he would have to know the divorce isn’t due to the nature of the relationship which isn’t intellectually honest. All relationships that fail do so in accordance with the state and condition it operates in. The argument here isn’t that it’s direct evidence that he’d be happier in a closed relationship necessarily but rather that this open one was statistically doomed from the start.
@@Thagomizer In 2011 Dr. Donald Hilton and Dr. Clark Watts published a study that concluded Pornography has a drastic effect on the neurobiology of a person. Often resulting in mental disorders including paranoia, depression, hypersexuality, etc. The DSMV actually put out a disclaimer after this study. In 2023 Dr. Michal Privera and Dr. Petr Bob published a study through NIH that concluded that pornography usage amongst men caused their bodies to not be able to manage stress, hyper sexuality, increasing levels of more obscene sexual behavior, increased anxiety, and increased depression all being linked to porn use. In 2021 Dr. Burtaverde, Dr. Peter Jonasan, Dr. Giosan, and Dr. Cristina Ene published a study through NIH that found that porn use was directly linked to who males find attractive. and how/why they choose to mate. In fact, the NIH has published nearly 50 studies from Neurobiologists over the last 20 years that all link Porn use to greater levels of anxiety, depression, paranoia, hyper sexuality, deviant sexual behavior, altered standards of beauty, etc. The APA and DSMV you mentioned, mostly rely on people to self report. They often put in disclaimers that relate directly to the published scientific articles mentioned above.
@@Thagomizer In 2011 Dr. Donald Hilton and Dr. Clark Watts published a study that concluded Pornography has a drastic effect on the neurobiology of a person. Often resulting in mental disorders including paranoia, depression, hypersexuality, etc. The DSMV actually put out a disclaimer after this study. In 2023 Dr. Michal Privera and Dr. Petr Bob published a study through NIH that concluded that pornography usage amongst men caused their bodies to not be able to manage stress, hyper sexuality, increasing levels of more obscene sexual behavior, increased anxiety, and increased depression all being linked to porn use. In 2021 Dr. Burtaverde, Dr. Peter Jonasan, Dr. Giosan, and Dr. Cristina Ene published a study through NIH that found that porn use was directly linked to who males find attractive. and how/why they choose to mate. In fact, the NIH has published nearly 50 studies from Neurobiologists over the last 20 years that all link Porn use to greater levels of anxiety, depression, paranoia, hyper sexuality, deviant sexual behavior, altered standards of beauty, etc. The APA and DSMV you mentioned, mostly rely on people to self report. They often put in disclaimers that relate directly to the published scientific articles mentioned above
Being exposed to pornography at age 5 affected me terribly. I became sex-obsessed and promiscuous. I still struggle with this, but I try to remain strong.
It is hard for me to listen to someone (ANYONE) who tries to defend pornography. THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT IT!!! Let me clarify just a little: Pornography is NOT bad; it isn't even REALLY BAD. Pornography is EVIL. Entienden???
Just because something is consensual doesn't mean it can't be criticized. All that BSDM stuff is supposedly consensual, but I don't think any normal person out there is going to look at corn where a dude gets metal needle shoved in his urethra and think, ''Well, it's consensual, so what do I know''. Also, plenty of roleplay, corn or real-life, involves age play, people dressing up as high schoolers or, god forbid, even younger. That doesn't make it any less weird.
Lila, I ASPIRE to be like you while debating!!! 🔥 You are so knowledgeable, kind, loving & firm. Thank you for being a role model for young & old people EVERYWHERE!!! ❤️
She’s a role model especially for women and girls. I also aspire to be as classy and loving and smart as she is, her inner values are shown outside because she’s outstandingly beautiful.
If you’re the kind of person that says “I don’t care if my partner watches pornography” ask yourself “why is this person, who supposedly loves me, watching someone else to get sexual gratification?” Have some self respect. It’s not ok, don’t try and justify your partner watching it.
Why would you be so insecure as to think your partner's porn viewing is about you? If your partner is really into True Crime and reading Mystery novels, would you be thinking to yourself, "Why is he constantly reading that? Am I not entertaining enough for him?" I hope not, because that would be ridiculous. If a guy likes porn, and he happens to be in a committed and loving relationship with the most beautiful woman on the planet, has a fulfilling sex life with her, he will STILL look at porn. Because his porn viewing has nothing to do with you. I myself am in a committed relationship with a woman, and have been with her for 12 years now. I look at porn fairly often, and she knows this, and doesn't care. I have never--not once--wished she did something she didn't want to do in bed, fantasized about someone I saw online while I was intimate with her, preferred porn to her, not been excited to see her naked, or needed to seek out more transgressive material to become aroused. NEVER! All of those are myths. When she walked in on me jerking off to internet porn, her reaction was to laugh, make fun of me, and THEN lead me back into the bedroom for sex. Some people have different sex drives. Do you think it's reasonable to expect a wife to be able to satisfy her husband EVERY SINGLE TIME he's up for it? The clitoris is also a sex organ that exists solely for pleasure. It's often better stimulated without a penis at all, and that is evidently God's design. Do you think it's reasonable for a woman NEVER to learn how to please herself in any context whatsoever outside of intimacy with her spouse or partner?
Lila is truly so inspirational. I truly admire her. Her ability to speak, convey her point, and interact with someone is just amazing. I cannot wait to watch more of her
Lila is talking to brick walls bro. The truth can be right in front some people snd they’ll still deny truth because of selfish desires to what they we want to do
Thats true. These non believers are too proud to change their views. This is a waste of breath. "But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually." The Holy Bible.
Considering how his marriage fell apart, this video sheds on how juvenile his thinking is. People said ," but, destiny is sooooo smart, how could thins happen to him" 😂 he married a girl when she was 19, he was 30... she has only ever had open relationships.. so he had an open marriage with her. He paid her way these past few years and now he will be responsible for alimony- as he never signed a prenup. 😂 he's no better than an OF subscriber
The way this woman can openly ignore the negative affects of porn in todays society is actually crazy. She talks about violence but violence in sex has actually gone up because it’s so normalized in all of the porn these young boys are consuming. She’s asking where the downfalls are LOOK AROUND YOU???
my friend recommended to watch porn and i can’t get it out of my head after i watched a video about a women’s reproductive body because he wanted me to watch to participate in sex and know how things work…
It's a fact that exposing children to sex in any format be it magazine, video whatever, hypersexualizes them and damages them mentally and emotionally as well as sexually. I stand with you guys in advocating for children and protecting the unborn. It's unfortunate that there are people more committed to their sick and unsafe ways of being along with their lustful acts , than caring in the least bit about the impact of their ways on children, vulnerable adults and on society in general. They're deaf and clearly are happy to stay deaf. What came to mind watching this was "don't throw your pearls among swine".
Thank you for sharing moments from this Whatever debate. Was glad to hear Lila Rose reflect on this with Trent Horn on her podcast. And to hear more of it on Trent's podcast! Hope you have a light-filled peaceful good week!
Destiny being really stubborn about the 1% failure rate is missing the point. It is a low failure rate. However, if you increase the total number of sexual interactions (because of something like the sexual revolution or porn) the total amount of unplanned pregnancy actually goes up. This is something that Louise Perry brings up in her book “The case against the sexual revolution”. This isn’t rocket science. If more people are engaging in an act that involves risk, the failure will happen more often. Duh
@@dr.zoidberg4313 you also don't do Latin in proper context, so what else is new? Don't strain yourself junior, there's no need to comeback when you weren't in the game.
@@ShifuCareaga You are the only person that read my comment as a literal. Does this comprehension difficulty play havoc with your "special agent Q" missions?
@@dr.zoidberg4313 it isn't so much as I read yours literally, short bus. It is that you didn't read mine literally. Opportunity point: missed. And Q is for psyop puppets. You must be a shallow pond, little bro. Congratulations on spelling your first hundred dollar word. Normally I have to send your ilk to hooked on phonics. Private school? Get a refund, you came out stunted.
As I’ve gotten closer with god, the shame and guilt I’ve felt is beautiful, I should feel bad for the immoral things I’ve done, it hurts me and my bond with God and I’ve only recently been really reconnecting and actively living in Christ and I feel so much cleaner and healthier. I pray for these women and that their eyes are opened whether it’s to Christ or for their own self worth and values if they aren’t spiritual or religious.
Uhh. No. All relationships are different. Some couples like to be sex positive and not so closed minded. Porn for couples is essentially a “how to do it” form of entertainment
@@JackThomas-of3kd sin is sin, and we don't follow a tolerant god so if you want to watch sin of trafficked people get rammed you can but on judgement day god will deal with you for it
Lila is so good for the truth. She is right on everything she says this world is so messed up and so many people fall into sexual immorality and get destroyed. It’s a silent killer really affects you later in life especially for women
The scenario about kids blows my mind because it’s adults being shown. How does Jazmine say it’s not ok for an adult to show them but they can watch adults! Nothing but contradictions in that world.
Destiny makes an ironic argument in that he sees killing animals worse than bestiality. He tries to elevate animal lives to human levels of sanctity all while cheapening the sanctity of human sexual experience.
I was observing the claim that watching something rather then actually doing something makes it ok. Wrong. Jeus said if a man looks at a woman to lust after her he has committed adultry with her in his heart. That plus those things we meditat on, think about and give place to in our mind, can develop a strong hold on us that is every bit as dangerous (spiritually without argument) and physically as one is giving that thing power over ones self.
watched porn once when i was 12 and it damaged me so bad. got out of it luckily. i cant imagine what its doing to someone who does it all the time. porn/lust will lead to insane evil acts. if you aren't born again all you have is momentarily pleasure, the issue with people who don't believe in God, they believe that moment pleasure is a good thing (in the context of sin) yes sin feels good for like 2 minutes. then after your conscience will burn you alive. unless you kill it, and that is so dangerous.
@@gageduke7652 porn is a slippery slope, ppl start with” vanilla porn” and they slowly progress to more and more perversion when they don’t get the same hit: they seek out more perverse. Mr beasts friend is a great example. You should watch the interview with Jordan Peterson and the gentleman who studies serial killers etc. porn is good at searing ppls consciences…..you can do you though. Real women, most women don’t behave like porn stars either. That’s something else young men go into relationships expecting. It’s fake and all a show for you men. Desensitizing you slowly but surely…. Funny how it can start with regular women, to milf porn, to tranny porn, to kids porn etc. it’s just downright degenerate. Why would you need to look at someone else besides your significant other is a great question you should ask yourself.
@@alexlewis1804 Is there a documented link between porn and sexual assault? Yeah it can happen, but I wouldn't assume is was porn that caused it or that such a case is representative of most people who consume porn. Happy to be proven wrong though.
Lila is spot on. Me & my partner are millennials. My partner grew up on internet p○rn from 1999(age16)- 2016 And we are currently dealing with alot of repercussions in our current marriage from that early exposure & programming.... also my partner has been sober from porn 5 years and still having major issues with intimacy..... we need more education viability around this problem.
@21 minutes Jasmine asks is this porn increasing the act of step sibling incest? And all I can think of is Mark Dice asking if a woman on the street would accept incest relationships as like a new trend and she said "Yes"...so yeah society accepts more degrading things now because they have lowered their standards so low that we have drag queen shows for kids and porn parades through cities. Clearly not effecting society at all. God bless!
Destiny & Jasmine talk alot but say absolutely nothing of actual value to the conversation. Lila has incredible points and was very poised in the way she handle the conversation as well as trent.
Lila and Candace should have a conversation. No debate because I think they see eye to eye on a lot of topics. I think it would be really interesting to see them have a discussion:)
It’s really funny that people like you and everyone else in this video believes in everything they see in this video and don’t even know it’s edited to make Lila look good to help validate the feelings of her viewers
Yeah… well they didn’t edit the part where the enemy camp said “sex with animals is better than killing animals.” Even if they epically rolled team good by some miracle (doubt)… they said, and I quote, “sex with animals is better than killing animals.” And that’s an automatic “L.” 😂😂😂
The whole thing about contraceptives having a 1% failure rate is a bad stat. It doesn’t take into account user error. It assumes the condoms are being used properly and without error. Most casual sex involves alcohol or drugs which should raise the error rate considerably and it doesn’t take into account old or damaged condoms, condoms falling off, ill fitting condoms. If human error was taken into account that figure would drastically change.
This subject is detrimental and devastating. Period. For those who work in it and those who consume it. YAHWEH will soon right the wrongs. Vengeance is His.
They tell you to act on your sexual desires but then say that being aroused by porn won't effect their actions. Like the incest example . Her responses were just horrible. Porn and unmoral sexual desires is one of the biggest if not the biggest attack on our world.
Lila Rose speaking truth! She is way too classy for those smutty broads and promiscuous players - but she has the grace and compassion to sit with them and share truth. Maybe some of it will take root.
The fact that this is a debate is sickening!! Where have we gone to! This is wicked. May the Lord save the two in favor of porn. God bless you Lila!! May the Lord continually use you in this perverse world!
Try and go do some counseling and see what it can do but if he doesn’t change then I think you should break up with him. I pray to god that your husband realizes the deadly sin he’s committing, how it’s hurts your guys’ marriage, and to get rid of his addiction.
If you’re a 10 year old who looks up pornography on your own, I can guarantee you’ve been taught and groomed about porn. 10 year olds don’t just go looking on their own for stuff like that.
@@NordicWingz I can appreciate that however, the comment was regarding a 10 year old who goes looking specifically for porn. I would bet you didn’t seek out porn but instead stumbled upon it while browsing on the internet.
Love Lila giving them straight up FACTS. It’s hard seeing Destiny and that other girl so lost. Also, I can’t believe Destiny is defending all this when he’s literally part of the statistic 🤦♀️
10:40. She doesn't see the increase of violent behavior. What news does she watch? 18:05 & 22:13 is messed up. These people are really gross. They shouldn't walk upright.
these arguments all boil down to one thing. ONLY ONE Accountability. our society has become one of self-indulgence and ZERO consequences... across the board.... not just these subjects but everywhere. .. and the anonymity of the internet has done nothing but fuel that fire.
My first marriage ended because I didn't want to meet my first husbands standards of what my body should look like because of the porn he watched. My friends first marriage ended because he flat out told her, "A womans naked body alone doesn't do it for me anymore." She would have to get dolled up and meet his standard based on the porn he had been watching. Yes Porn is horrible, and yes it does ruin lives and marriages. How is porn labeled as "torture, choking, rape, incest" not violent... ? She even said "more aggressive porn".... yikes this is terrifying.
This is why on me and my husbands very first date we asked each other what are views on porn was. We both said it's not for me. Everyone should do this and any other answer should be a deal breaker and if you find out later they lied break it off right away.
All u can do is plant a seed and pray. Remember God of the Bible is the one who makes it grow. Keep loving on those that u care about. U r making a positive impact.
@@JackThomas-of3kd Unfortunately, data proves you wrong. Liberals are more likely to suffer from mental illness than conservatives. As conservatives are more likely to be religious than liberals, that data dictates those who are religious less likely to suffer from mental illness. It’s also interesting to note that conservative parents are significantly better than liberal parents for the mental health of children. ruclips.net/video/Xp-2p2mlZls/видео.htmlsi=rDD6P-PykQXTUyMu
Destiny's relationahip didn't just age like milk. it was fermenting in the trash and Destiny was bragging as if it was fine wine. Truth always comes around whether you like it or not.
A bit off topic here. I’ve just recently discovered this channel and have watched 3-4 vids. What is the significance of the mannequin and who is the girl with the captain hat, I’ve seen her multiple times and she doesn’t say a word. Please advise?
1% failure rate of contraceptive devices is actually HUGE if you think about it. If you engage in this behavior 2x per week, that means statistically you will have OVER one failure per year (1.04 failures per year to be exact).
Well. THIS viewpoint didn't age well, did it, Density? People keep talking about HOW smart Duplicity is- I would, HANDS down, smoke this clown in a debate. He is so lost. Watch his eyes when points are brought- specifically cheating. He knows- and he knows he is WRONG.
i was sexually abused and as a child i don't enjoy holding onto those memories and yet I'd never seen porn in my life and still i view all these nasty ass genres of evil things on p'hub that allow that to happen as much worse in my head
my friend recommended me to watch p-rn to be able to properly react when he wants to have sexual interactions… he said “would you let me have sex with you even if you don’t want it?” and i just agreed even though i shouldn’t have.. :(
You can literally see the differences between someone who’s living a good life spiritually & emotionally and someone who’s dead inside. When you look at Lila you can see how bright her vibe is, and then you look at Destiny and the h…oker and there’s a lot of anger issues behind their eyes.
If people are truly honest, and do not allow themselves to be deceived by those that continuously lie, they will have to admit that pornography will only lead to misery and tremendous sorrow in the end. That is its purpose -- to tear down and destroy anything that is good and pure in people. (He dicho.)
The worse thing about porn is that it escalates always. Always seeking greater stimulation because it's impersonal solo voyeurism that doesn't fully satisfy in several ways. So lots of average good decent people have terrible kinks and fetishes that develop. It's mostly the same with the BDSM community unless they establish actual bonds it tends to be transactional and escalating until it gets out of hand or they get out of it. It only ever stabilizes to an extent if they get into established relationships where intimacy satisfaction can stop the need for something more after the current level of stimulation no longer statisfies.
I think we apply meaning to everthing in life and it is the responsibility of each parent to limit their kids online activity instead of trying to impose their world views on other adults
As a person that was exposed to porn at the age of 7, it’s the worst experience I’ve ever had. Websites like porn shouldn’t exist.
Yep I watching it as a child. Even experimented with family members at the same time. Ppl advocating for it are only driven by money
Yes watched since 12 and it’s a nasty habit to kick
Yep I started at 4 and I was very confused and weird, sex has no meaning to me and I cannot have relationships
I am so sorry this happened to you. It is so sad how many children are forever harmed by porn.
I agree with this 💯
Lila and Trent are a dream team: eloquent, coherent, classy, intelligent, pro life and confident🤗
Speaking godly truth🙏🏾🕊️
They're both really cool pro-life people and I'm glad that Whatever had them both on.
They truly are!@@JDthegamer209
The fact that she thinks that it’s okay for a child to view porn is wild to me….
That TURNED my stomach!!! 🤢 Our brains are only fully developed at 25.
I know!! How can she just say that
I mean….. my standards were low based on her attire. It took me a second and even for people into that stuff she’s still showing a lot
lol 18:12 she lost ALLLLLL credibility on both sides. Destiny realized he’d have to carry their side from then on out.
She's consistent with her world view. It's disgusting, but consistent.
Destiny is so angry at the truth. Lila is a queen.
She is the masculine of one of the two. He believes that his emotions trumps her facts, like a teenage girl.
Destiny's wife just filed for divorce... of course she did.
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He washed that blue 🔵 shit out his hair
Lila is a hypocrite.
On one hand she praised the Whatever podcast while the other hand ridiculed it for how it manipulates and protests women as idiots for clicks.
Lost a LOT of respect for Lila after seeing her state that in clips following up her appearances on Whatever.
Thank you Lila for your uncompromising defense of unborn human persons.
That once born, you’ll probably abandon with its mother.😂 or let the mother do everything while you sit on your a$$ with a beer
@@prangsudhAnd you know this how?
@@kristinhornick1890he watched the show perhaps? Like what do you mean? Lol
@@edwincollins5847 What the? Your comment makes 0 sense.
@@kristinhornick1890 and you’re slow too haha. You responded to the commenter asking how he knows this from his statement thanking lila defending the unborn.
And his position stems from watching the show hearing her argument defending it. Read this a couple of times so it can seep through
“Even the people defending it in their marriage, down the line, don’t have the best outcome.”
And now Destiny has experienced this point first hand. Not celebrating his failed marriage, it’s sad, but at least if he’s honest, he can accept this point is true.
Wow, there are people who know Destiny, know he was married and that his marriage failed. I had no idea who Destiny is until his debate with Lila, still dont know really, had no idea he was married and that his marriage failed. I still don't understand. Is that Destiny person important or something?
@@Dhorpatan I only know who he is because he is a cringy progressive leftist, and people I listen to have done responses to his content.
@@DhorpatanHe’s a smart debater who has a great ability to emotionally detach, and spends a lot of time debating. Some people admire it.
Is not sad,that was Not a marriage...
@@AlexBobalexRavenclawit’s not that he emotionally detaches. He’s just great at gas lighting, deflecting, and projection when it comes to points and or topics he knows little on or he himself feels he has a wrong opinion objectively speaking. A lot of people can do this and easily sway people who don’t debate or rather don’t spend time in spaces where certain language is used. Those that truly debate don’t really acknowledge him as anything other than a smart streamer who somewhat holds his own with the best of them.
To me Lila is just logical and speaks the truth. It’s amazing the mental gymnastics it takes to justify immoral behaviors
No, she only sounds that way to you because she just tells you what you already believe.
@@Thagomizer This refutes nothing.
Destiny way of thinking is why his marriage failed.
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Ramon's comment stinks of schadenfreude. And that the comment got 16 thumbs up is shameful(and knowing people it will very like get more).
@@Dhorpatandestiny is that you !? I thumbed it up so hard.
@@Dhorpatan*58 💙
@@staciebrooks2583What does 58 mean?
Imagine being so brainwashed into believing that being turned on by child SA is "not doing harm"... scary how lila is looking at this person dead in the eye questioning their view and they are unphased....
actually there has been studies that suggest that pedos who consume pedo porn control their impulse to act on it. And Germany and others european countries want implement that so less children are harmed. Some had suggested contact victims and all. Is all very mess up but I think just ignore it hasnt work at all so far, so why dont try new things?
Knowing what we know has gone down between Destiny and his wife recently makes this so much better. Pure gold. Destiny obviously has no boundaries or respect and look how that has turned out for him.
What happened??
@@alyssalozoya8882He had an open marriage with a girl he married when she was 20 and he was 30. She recently left him for one of the guys she’s been sleeping with.
@@MarianMetanoia ohhh. Dang well she was so young wth. It's funny how he talks shit about the red pill when he himself chose to marry a girl 10 years younger than him. Kind of a red pill thing to do if you ask me.
Spiritually dead people seek to justify their sin.
PRECISELY‼️😑
One side of the table is blurred out. The other side is.....
Eh, immoral and unethical people don’t seek to justify their “sins” because they simply do not believe they have sinned at all.
@@JohnDoe-dr9ffWhat makes Christians think they have a monopoly on morality and ethica?
@@JohnDoe-dr9ff😂😂😂😂😂😂
I agree with Lila’s perspective wholeheartedly.
Can’t believe destiny can show his face after his divorce from a open relationship that he defended so hard.
becaue hes not a child XD
This is a comically childish argument. Does a failed monogamous marriage prove monogamy is bad? Have you graduated third grade?
@@Poongoolieit wasn’t monogamous…. That’s the point lol. She left him for a cross dresser that threatened to unalive himself if she didn’t leave destiny for him. Because he loves her more…..All alleged but the pictures are out there and she isn’t hiding that new relationship at all whatsoever.
@@vikkidonn I know destiny relationship wasn't monogamous. Original post is alluding to the idea his failed open relationship is evidence that they're bad/ineffective. Yet obviously there are failed monogamous relationships too.
His relationship ending is no evidence of anything and affects no argument.
@@Poongoolie actually it does. It is another piece of evidence on a list of other instances where these open relationships fail. That is called a pattern of behavior that can be looked at and studied. Which it has, yet on several occasions destiny has used his relationship as an example of success. Yet it failed as predicted by history of the pattern of behavior displayed. Which means he would have to know the divorce isn’t due to the nature of the relationship which isn’t intellectually honest. All relationships that fail do so in accordance with the state and condition it operates in. The argument here isn’t that it’s direct evidence that he’d be happier in a closed relationship necessarily but rather that this open one was statistically doomed from the start.
Lila walks her right off the cliff. The lack of morals is unbelievable
Objectively, data driven science has repeatedly shown that porn is nothing except harmful for individuals and society
Fr, and it’s so sad how many men including young boys are addicted to that brain poison
Fr, and it’s so sad how many men including young boys are addicted to that brain poison
Objectively, the war on porn is considered pseudoscience by the American Psychiatric Association and the DSMV.
@@Thagomizer In 2011 Dr. Donald Hilton and Dr. Clark Watts published a study that concluded Pornography has a drastic effect on the neurobiology of a person. Often resulting in mental disorders including paranoia, depression, hypersexuality, etc. The DSMV actually put out a disclaimer after this study.
In 2023 Dr. Michal Privera and Dr. Petr Bob published a study through NIH that concluded that pornography usage amongst men caused their bodies to not be able to manage stress, hyper sexuality, increasing levels of more obscene sexual behavior, increased anxiety, and increased depression all being linked to porn use.
In 2021 Dr. Burtaverde, Dr. Peter Jonasan, Dr. Giosan, and Dr. Cristina Ene published a study through NIH that found that porn use was directly linked to who males find attractive. and how/why they choose to mate.
In fact, the NIH has published nearly 50 studies from Neurobiologists over the last 20 years that all link Porn use to greater levels of anxiety, depression, paranoia, hyper sexuality, deviant sexual behavior, altered standards of beauty, etc.
The APA and DSMV you mentioned, mostly rely on people to self report. They often put in disclaimers that relate directly to the published scientific articles mentioned above.
@@Thagomizer In 2011 Dr. Donald Hilton and Dr. Clark Watts published a study that concluded Pornography has a drastic effect on the neurobiology of a person. Often resulting in mental disorders including paranoia, depression, hypersexuality, etc. The DSMV actually put out a disclaimer after this study.
In 2023 Dr. Michal Privera and Dr. Petr Bob published a study through NIH that concluded that pornography usage amongst men caused their bodies to not be able to manage stress, hyper sexuality, increasing levels of more obscene sexual behavior, increased anxiety, and increased depression all being linked to porn use.
In 2021 Dr. Burtaverde, Dr. Peter Jonasan, Dr. Giosan, and Dr. Cristina Ene published a study through NIH that found that porn use was directly linked to who males find attractive. and how/why they choose to mate.
In fact, the NIH has published nearly 50 studies from Neurobiologists over the last 20 years that all link Porn use to greater levels of anxiety, depression, paranoia, hyper sexuality, deviant sexual behavior, altered standards of beauty, etc.
The APA and DSMV you mentioned, mostly rely on people to self report. They often put in disclaimers that relate directly to the published scientific articles mentioned above
Wow im disturbed that she thinks it’s ok for a 13 year old girl to want to be choked….. wow just wow….
She's doubling down on it to protect her own interests. Disgusting, bit that's why.
Being exposed to pornography at age 5 affected me terribly. I became sex-obsessed and promiscuous. I still struggle with this, but I try to remain strong.
Stay strong
It is hard for me to listen to someone (ANYONE) who tries to defend pornography. THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT IT!!! Let me clarify just a little: Pornography is NOT bad; it isn't even REALLY BAD. Pornography is EVIL. Entienden???
Exactly!! It’s from the pit of hell.
Thank you for censoring her top
Seriously! Lilyas cami is as low as a cami should go
@@HiImlizzmitchellagree
@carolinejordon6822, I agree. I thought it was a skin colored top for a few minutes before I realized.
Lila for the w
@@HiImlizzmitchell look again
I want everyone to realize that the “as long as it’s consensual it’s ok” and “no one should judge you” sentiment has led to this degeneracy
Ok, I guess we should all wait for the stamp of approval from you and your church.
Just because something is consensual doesn't mean it can't be criticized. All that BSDM stuff is supposedly consensual, but I don't think any normal person out there is going to look at corn where a dude gets metal needle shoved in his urethra and think, ''Well, it's consensual, so what do I know''. Also, plenty of roleplay, corn or real-life, involves age play, people dressing up as high schoolers or, god forbid, even younger. That doesn't make it any less weird.
Lila, I ASPIRE to be like you while debating!!! 🔥 You are so knowledgeable, kind, loving & firm. Thank you for being a role model for young & old people EVERYWHERE!!! ❤️
She’s a role model especially for women and girls. I also aspire to be as classy and loving and smart as she is, her inner values are shown outside because she’s outstandingly beautiful.
If you’re the kind of person that says “I don’t care if my partner watches pornography” ask yourself “why is this person, who supposedly loves me, watching someone else to get sexual gratification?” Have some self respect. It’s not ok, don’t try and justify your partner watching it.
Why would you be so insecure as to think your partner's porn viewing is about you? If your partner is really into True Crime and reading Mystery novels, would you be thinking to yourself, "Why is he constantly reading that? Am I not entertaining enough for him?" I hope not, because that would be ridiculous. If a guy likes porn, and he happens to be in a committed and loving relationship with the most beautiful woman on the planet, has a fulfilling sex life with her, he will STILL look at porn. Because his porn viewing has nothing to do with you.
I myself am in a committed relationship with a woman, and have been with her for 12 years now. I look at porn fairly often, and she knows this, and doesn't care. I have never--not once--wished she did something she didn't want to do in bed, fantasized about someone I saw online while I was intimate with her, preferred porn to her, not been excited to see her naked, or needed to seek out more transgressive material to become aroused. NEVER! All of those are myths. When she walked in on me jerking off to internet porn, her reaction was to laugh, make fun of me, and THEN lead me back into the bedroom for sex.
Some people have different sex drives. Do you think it's reasonable to expect a wife to be able to satisfy her husband EVERY SINGLE TIME he's up for it? The clitoris is also a sex organ that exists solely for pleasure. It's often better stimulated without a penis at all, and that is evidently God's design. Do you think it's reasonable for a woman NEVER to learn how to please herself in any context whatsoever outside of intimacy with her spouse or partner?
Lila is truly so inspirational. I truly admire her. Her ability to speak, convey her point, and interact with someone is just amazing. I cannot wait to watch more of her
Lila is talking to brick walls bro. The truth can be right in front some people snd they’ll still deny truth because of selfish desires to what they we want to do
Thats true. These non believers are too proud to change their views. This is a waste of breath. "But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually." The Holy Bible.
Considering how his marriage fell apart, this video sheds on how juvenile his thinking is. People said ," but, destiny is sooooo smart, how could thins happen to him" 😂 he married a girl when she was 19, he was 30... she has only ever had open relationships.. so he had an open marriage with her. He paid her way these past few years and now he will be responsible for alimony- as he never signed a prenup. 😂 he's no better than an OF subscriber
The way this woman can openly ignore the negative affects of porn in todays society is actually crazy. She talks about violence but violence in sex has actually gone up because it’s so normalized in all of the porn these young boys are consuming. She’s asking where the downfalls are LOOK AROUND YOU???
my friend recommended to watch porn and i can’t get it out of my head after i watched a video about a women’s reproductive body because he wanted me to watch to participate in sex and know how things work…
"YOU'RE NOT SANE. YOU'RE AN INSANE PERSON"
The moment Trent realized he's talking to an asylum patient.
Demons will rationalize anything to evade accountability.
Destiny said 30?!? Has he not seen how many models have ended their own lives? Modeling is another form of selling the body in some extreme cases.
It's a fact that exposing children to sex in any format be it magazine, video whatever, hypersexualizes them and damages them mentally and emotionally as well as sexually.
I stand with you guys in advocating for children and protecting the unborn.
It's unfortunate that there are people more committed to their sick and unsafe ways of being along with their lustful acts , than caring in the least bit about the impact of their ways on children, vulnerable adults and on society in general.
They're deaf and clearly are happy to stay deaf.
What came to mind watching this was "don't throw your pearls among swine".
Thank you for blurring :)
Thank you for sharing moments from this Whatever debate. Was glad to hear Lila Rose reflect on this with Trent Horn on her podcast. And to hear more of it on Trent's podcast! Hope you have a light-filled peaceful good week!
Destiny is just mad because his wife is leaving him. Open marriage really worked it's magic for him!
Destiny being really stubborn about the 1% failure rate is missing the point. It is a low failure rate. However, if you increase the total number of sexual interactions (because of something like the sexual revolution or porn) the total amount of unplanned pregnancy actually goes up. This is something that Louise Perry brings up in her book “The case against the sexual revolution”.
This isn’t rocket science. If more people are engaging in an act that involves risk, the failure will happen more often. Duh
So glad I found your content Lila. God bless you for speaking the truth❤❤
Excellent job by the editor to clean the video of the blantant immodesty 👍🏾
Agreed! We're here for it, editor. 👏🏼
I now believe in demonic possession.
Just now? Where were u when we saw the woman hacked and possessed on the subway and attacks the man?
Sorry, I don't do non sequiturs.
@@dr.zoidberg4313 you also don't do Latin in proper context, so what else is new? Don't strain yourself junior, there's no need to comeback when you weren't in the game.
@@ShifuCareaga You are the only person that read my comment as a literal. Does this comprehension difficulty play havoc with your "special agent Q" missions?
@@dr.zoidberg4313 it isn't so much as I read yours literally, short bus. It is that you didn't read mine literally. Opportunity point: missed. And Q is for psyop puppets. You must be a shallow pond, little bro.
Congratulations on spelling your first hundred dollar word. Normally I have to send your ilk to hooked on phonics. Private school? Get a refund, you came out stunted.
As I’ve gotten closer with god, the shame and guilt I’ve felt is beautiful, I should feel bad for the immoral things I’ve done, it hurts me and my bond with God and I’ve only recently been really reconnecting and actively living in Christ and I feel so much cleaner and healthier. I pray for these women and that their eyes are opened whether it’s to Christ or for their own self worth and values if they aren’t spiritual or religious.
watching porn together in marriage is definely a form of mental and emotional hookup with the people getting involed in the lustful videos
Uhh. No. All relationships are different. Some couples like to be sex positive and not so closed minded. Porn for couples is essentially a “how to do it” form of entertainment
@@JackThomas-of3kdwe are built to do it. We don’t need a how to…….
@@JackThomas-of3kd sin is sin, and we don't follow a tolerant god so if you want to watch sin of trafficked people get rammed you can but on judgement day god will deal with you for it
@@danielletracyann Sure, but inspiration is sometimes wanted or even needed. I see nothing wrong with that.
@@thecoldhardtruth1390 Free will means the right to a sinful life.
Lila is so good for the truth. She is right on everything she says this world is so messed up and so many people fall into sexual immorality and get destroyed. It’s a silent killer really affects you later in life especially for women
Nah, she’s good for validating your feelings 😂
@@JackThomas-of3kd I hope you see the truth one day. Your life depends on it
The scenario about kids blows my mind because it’s adults being shown. How does Jazmine say it’s not ok for an adult to show them but they can watch adults! Nothing but contradictions in that world.
Exactly. It's grooming.
Destiny makes an ironic argument in that he sees killing animals worse than bestiality. He tries to elevate animal lives to human levels of sanctity all while cheapening the sanctity of human sexual experience.
I was observing the claim that watching something rather then actually doing something makes it ok. Wrong. Jeus said if a man looks at a woman to lust after her he has committed adultry with her in his heart. That plus those things we meditat on, think about and give place to in our mind, can develop a strong hold on us that is every bit as dangerous (spiritually without argument) and physically as one is giving that thing power over ones self.
Well said.
The little Asian girl with the helmet always makes me laugh 😂
I'm more than half way through and she hasn't said anything. I don't get what she's doing there 😂
Lol even Brian gets shocked with some of stuff the pro-sexwork people are saying.
watched porn once when i was 12 and it damaged me so bad. got out of it luckily. i cant imagine what its doing to someone who does it all the time. porn/lust will lead to insane evil acts. if you aren't born again all you have is momentarily pleasure, the issue with people who don't believe in God, they believe that moment pleasure is a good thing (in the context of sin) yes sin feels good for like 2 minutes. then after your conscience will burn you alive. unless you kill it, and that is so dangerous.
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@@danielletracyann"porn will lead to insane evil acts" Do you have any proof for that statement?
@@gageduke7652 porn is a slippery slope, ppl start with” vanilla porn” and they slowly progress to more and more perversion when they don’t get the same hit: they seek out more perverse. Mr beasts friend is a great example. You should watch the interview with Jordan Peterson and the gentleman who studies serial killers etc. porn is good at searing ppls consciences…..you can do you though. Real women, most women don’t behave like porn stars either. That’s something else young men go into relationships expecting. It’s fake and all a show for you men. Desensitizing you slowly but surely…. Funny how it can start with regular women, to milf porn, to tranny porn, to kids porn etc. it’s just downright degenerate. Why would you need to look at someone else besides your significant other is a great question you should ask yourself.
@@gageduke7652it can lead to assault.
@@alexlewis1804 Is there a documented link between porn and sexual assault?
Yeah it can happen, but I wouldn't assume is was porn that caused it or that such a case is representative of most people who consume porn. Happy to be proven wrong though.
I feel sorry for Destiny. It's obvious she didn't have a good childhood.
They're both sick
Destiny is the guy, Jasmin is the girl.
@@KS-se9jb It's impossible to know how they identified themselves as throughout the 38 minutes. They could have switched multiple times along the way!
I love hearing men talk against porn! It’s normal for women to talk against it… When women speak against it we’re accused of being jealous.
Destiny has not even considered the explosion in human trafficking involving kids...
Well no “pro lifer” does either. But this video is edited in a way to make destiny look bad
Lila is spot on. Me & my partner are millennials. My partner grew up on internet p○rn from 1999(age16)- 2016 And we are currently dealing with alot of repercussions in our current marriage from that early exposure & programming.... also my partner has been sober from porn 5 years and still having major issues with intimacy..... we need more education viability around this problem.
In the long run they arent fulfilled/happy.
Exhibit A: destiny
@21 minutes Jasmine asks is this porn increasing the act of step sibling incest? And all I can think of is Mark Dice asking if a woman on the street would accept incest relationships as like a new trend and she said "Yes"...so yeah society accepts more degrading things now because they have lowered their standards so low that we have drag queen shows for kids and porn parades through cities. Clearly not effecting society at all. God bless!
Destiny & Jasmine talk alot but say absolutely nothing of actual value to the conversation. Lila has incredible points and was very poised in the way she handle the conversation as well as trent.
Lila and Candace should have a conversation. No debate because I think they see eye to eye on a lot of topics. I think it would be really interesting to see them have a discussion:)
Both of them should come on here
Candace Owen's? She supports tate. She went off the deep end
Can’t believe they really said having sex with animals is better than killing them? Um…😳😳😳
It’s really funny that people like you and everyone else in this video believes in everything they see in this video and don’t even know it’s edited to make Lila look good to help validate the feelings of her viewers
Yeah… well they didn’t edit the part where the enemy camp said “sex with animals is better than killing animals.”
Even if they epically rolled team good by some miracle (doubt)… they said, and I quote, “sex with animals is better than killing animals.” And that’s an automatic “L.” 😂😂😂
The whole thing about contraceptives having a 1% failure rate is a bad stat. It doesn’t take into account user error. It assumes the condoms are being used properly and without error. Most casual sex involves alcohol or drugs which should raise the error rate considerably and it doesn’t take into account old or damaged condoms, condoms falling off, ill fitting condoms. If human error was taken into account that figure would drastically change.
This subject is detrimental and devastating. Period. For those who work in it and those who consume it.
YAHWEH will soon right the wrongs. Vengeance is His.
They tell you to act on your sexual desires but then say that being aroused by porn won't effect their actions. Like the incest example . Her responses were just horrible. Porn and unmoral sexual desires is one of the biggest if not the biggest attack on our world.
Lila Rose speaking truth! She is way too classy for those smutty broads and promiscuous players - but she has the grace and compassion to sit with them and share truth. Maybe some of it will take root.
There was no respect in Destiny open marriage.
This is what happens when one side brings stats to a debate and the other side just vomits feelings off the top of their head 😂
This is exactly it
The fact that this is a debate is sickening!! Where have we gone to! This is wicked. May the Lord save the two in favor of porn. God bless you Lila!! May the Lord continually use you in this perverse world!
Never negotiate with the Devil. ✝️
PORN HURTS EVERYONE
Mentally and emotionally. Stop being in denial and blinded by the temporary pleasure and money
Porn is for degenerate losers
Destiny makes me physically sick. I cannot stand him. The way his brain works isn't okay
Goodness... that guy and the Prostitute are unbearable. Lila and Trent have shown great patience and intellect during this absurd conversation.
Sodom and Gomorrah
Why am I not surprised to see Destiny arguing in favor of porn
Thank you LA editors for blurring the boobs 🙈
My husband watches porn and I constantly fantasize about separating (not divorcing) from him. I don't know when enough is enough but I've had enough
You’re both pathetic
Many women are disgusted by their men watching porn. I don’t know how any woman could defend it unless they are into it as well. Nasty.
Its hard to respect a husband who does it but I hope you can go to counseling and get healing.
Why don’t you?
Try and go do some counseling and see what it can do but if he doesn’t change then I think you should break up with him. I pray to god that your husband realizes the deadly sin he’s committing, how it’s hurts your guys’ marriage, and to get rid of his addiction.
Those two are so calm and destiny and sl*t jafar are heightened and emotional
The fact they have to blur the lady’s bobs to put this on RUclips says it all. 😂😂
Those are real to by the way:(
@@Mint-kj9kw
Yeah we can tell, it’s down to her stomach. And she’s young!! Yikes 😬
Oh stfu theyre massive. She has nice breasts. Terrible character but beautiful @@peacelove7437
YOU ARE SOOO BEAUTIFUL LILA!!!! I CAN SENSE CHRISTIANITY THROUGH THE SCREEN. YOU'RE SO COURAGEOUS, SMART, ELOQUENT AND RESPECTABLE.
If you’re a 10 year old who looks up pornography on your own, I can guarantee you’ve been taught and groomed about porn. 10 year olds don’t just go looking on their own for stuff like that.
@@NordicWingz I can appreciate that however, the comment was regarding a 10 year old who goes looking specifically for porn. I would bet you didn’t seek out porn but instead stumbled upon it while browsing on the internet.
Yes! 💯 agreed that porn is bad for everyone!! Especially kids
Love Lila giving them straight up FACTS. It’s hard seeing Destiny and that other girl so lost. Also, I can’t believe Destiny is defending all this when he’s literally part of the statistic 🤦♀️
10:40. She doesn't see the increase of violent behavior. What news does she watch? 18:05 & 22:13 is messed up. These people are really gross. They shouldn't walk upright.
I'm glad you added blurr. It's too much.
these arguments all boil down to one thing. ONLY ONE
Accountability. our society has become one of self-indulgence and ZERO consequences... across the board.... not just these subjects but everywhere. .. and the anonymity of the internet has done nothing but fuel that fire.
My first marriage ended because I didn't want to meet my first husbands standards of what my body should look like because of the porn he watched. My friends first marriage ended because he flat out told her, "A womans naked body alone doesn't do it for me anymore." She would have to get dolled up and meet his standard based on the porn he had been watching. Yes Porn is horrible, and yes it does ruin lives and marriages. How is porn labeled as "torture, choking, rape, incest" not violent... ? She even said "more aggressive porn".... yikes this is terrifying.
This is why on me and my husbands very first date we asked each other what are views on porn was. We both said it's not for me. Everyone should do this and any other answer should be a deal breaker and if you find out later they lied break it off right away.
Destiny, with the mess going on with your ex, you no longer have a leg to stand on. Porn, open relationships does not work.
I wish more people knew how harmful porn is. I told my not so good friend how porn was terrible for relationships and she mocked me.
All u can do is plant a seed and pray. Remember God of the Bible is the one who makes it grow. Keep loving on those that u care about. U r making a positive impact.
This world need’s God without him people go and are crazy!
Uhh looks like the people who are obsessed with god are the crazy ones
@@JackThomas-of3kd Unfortunately, data proves you wrong.
Liberals are more likely to suffer from mental illness than conservatives. As conservatives are more likely to be religious than liberals, that data dictates those who are religious less likely to suffer from mental illness.
It’s also interesting to note that conservative parents are significantly better than liberal parents for the mental health of children.
ruclips.net/video/Xp-2p2mlZls/видео.htmlsi=rDD6P-PykQXTUyMu
Destiny's relationahip didn't just age like milk. it was fermenting in the trash and Destiny was bragging as if it was fine wine. Truth always comes around whether you like it or not.
A bit off topic here. I’ve just recently discovered this channel and have watched 3-4 vids. What is the significance of the mannequin and who is the girl with the captain hat, I’ve seen her multiple times and she doesn’t say a word. Please advise?
Onlyfans ruins relationships too
I love Lila and Trent!! destiny is trash!!
You got consent from your partner, but you forgot to first get consent from the Creator of the Universe.
I really appreciate the fact that you blurred her immodesty. ❤️
It’s true I’ve first hand seen a marriage fail because of porn addiction
1% failure rate of contraceptive devices is actually HUGE if you think about it. If you engage in this behavior 2x per week, that means statistically you will have OVER one failure per year (1.04 failures per year to be exact).
Well. THIS viewpoint didn't age well, did it, Density?
People keep talking about HOW smart Duplicity is- I would, HANDS down, smoke this clown in a debate. He is so lost. Watch his eyes when points are brought- specifically cheating. He knows- and he knows he is WRONG.
Lmao 😂
i was sexually abused and as a child i don't enjoy holding onto those memories and yet I'd never seen porn in my life and still i view all these nasty ass genres of evil things on p'hub that allow that to happen as much worse in my head
my friend recommended me to watch p-rn to be able to properly react when he wants to have sexual interactions… he said “would you let me have sex with you even if you don’t want it?” and i just agreed even though i shouldn’t have.. :(
@@Emmie1223 ummmm run
You can literally see the differences between someone who’s living a good life spiritually & emotionally and someone who’s dead inside. When you look at Lila you can see how bright her vibe is, and then you look at Destiny and the h…oker and there’s a lot of anger issues behind their eyes.
If people are truly honest, and do not allow themselves to be deceived by those that continuously lie, they will have to admit that pornography will only lead to misery and tremendous sorrow in the end. That is its purpose -- to tear down and destroy anything that is good and pure in people. (He dicho.)
She’s only going to defend easy money no matter consequences.
The worse thing about porn is that it escalates always. Always seeking greater stimulation because it's impersonal solo voyeurism that doesn't fully satisfy in several ways. So lots of average good decent people have terrible kinks and fetishes that develop. It's mostly the same with the BDSM community unless they establish actual bonds it tends to be transactional and escalating until it gets out of hand or they get out of it. It only ever stabilizes to an extent if they get into established relationships where intimacy satisfaction can stop the need for something more after the current level of stimulation no longer statisfies.
I wish there had been age restriction measures (minimum) that had prevented internet access 20 years ago
I think we apply meaning to everthing in life and it is the responsibility of each parent to limit their kids online activity instead of trying to impose their world views on other adults
they can't hold a candle to Lila