How is this even possible? $150 Titanium Hi-Beat with 72 hr. power reserve. Boderry Urban Review
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Boderry was kind enough to give me two watches to review. This is the second one, which houses an insane Chinese movement inside. Check it out on their website:
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There's only one thing about this watch that I would ding it on... the dial is so busy and the hands are so, "skeletonized" that I cannot tell what time it is.
I just bought one based entirely on this review. I really like your style. Most unpretentious watch guy I've ever seen.
Thanks man!
do you like it so far, im thinking of buying one would love some feedback?
@@sinantuna2859 It's ok. To be honest, it looks better in photos than in person. The skeletonized movement is dark and not very visible, and it's hard to discern much animation without looking closely. The style is a bit discordant, with skeleton watches being more suited to dressy occasions and this one being a sporty watch. My wife much prefers the look of a normal non-skeleton watch on me when I wear casual clothes. She says the skeleton look doesn't match casual clothes at all, and the sporty bezel doesn't match dressy clothes. She's smarter than I am at times as I've come to agree with her. I'm glad I learned this lesson with a cheap watch instead of wasting a lot of money. It's my first titanium watch, and I find I really like the feeling of that metal on my wrist. It was a cheap experiment and I learned some things but I don't wear it much now that I own it and I wouldn't buy it again if I lost it. If you're considering this, I would also take a look at the new line of Seagull 2020 skeletons which I also bought and prefer.
@@RegNatarajan To each his/her own, but I disagree with your wife's sentiment. Skeletonized watches were super high-end and thus are often worn around formal occasions. That may be the association of skeletonize watch with dressy clothes. True dressy watches are minimalist with understated designs. I'd argue that skeletonize watches are more casual because it's not so much about looking good, but more about looking at the inner workings and appreciating the technical aspects of the craftsmen's work. I don't see this design being any bit dressy. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents. You do you.
@@RegNatarajan what was the prize ?
My dad gave me a skeletonized Armitron watch that he has had for ten years recently, it has a Chinese movement with hacking and hand-winding which is still running great to this day. I doubt he paid more than $100 for it and for more than ten years of service I'd say it has worked out. What I mean to say is don't judge a book by its cover. This watch needs some styling help but has the bones to make a good one. Nice review.
Nefarion China made isn’t inherently bad at one time there products was the best in the world it’s there QA game that desperately needs improvement I’m this century.
The hangzhou movements tend to be surprisingly well made. They do make an eta clone, but it’s also chronometer certified too. If it’s a Chinese movement, Hangzhou is one of the good ones.
It does say something about the margins on luxury watches.
Magazine ads and sponsoring tennis events and Formula 1 is expensive! :)
well yes and no, obviously the margins there are high but you're also definitely not getting even a similar product.
Would it be possible to have a followup reviews in a couple of weeks/months, to see how it holds up? Because this seems too good to be true !
Probably won't be able to do a full video review as I don't have the time, but I'll try to remember to put some updates on Instagram!
Exactly
My feeling is that because the main spring is so big (72hrs) that the accuracy will change hugely depending on how fully coiled the spring is. Can you investigate changes in accuracy, it's a big ask, sorry
@@cosmalas7742 I didn't drill down into how the accuracy changes due to the tension in the spring, but on average it was running about+11 seconds a day.
I was just wondering because most watches have a 40 hrs power reserve, I was under the impression that these more expensive watches with 70 hrs employ some clever tech solution to keep the tension constant.
Pro tip: if you can wait until August for shipping.....the leather strap versions are on sale for $115 on Amazon right now.
With the Titanium case or SS?
That's a good tip. I knew they sold through Alixpress, but didn't realize Amazon carried them too!
I believe the stainless steel version is $115 on Amazon. The titanium ones are $149. It's very tricky to tell since they look similar in the photos.
I have had a Chinese pocket watch with skeleton movement purchased from Walmart for 15 years. It is still working today and keeping good time.
Neat watch. Seems like lots of watch for the money.
until it starts running like crap s few months down the line, or weeks
The only other place I've seen that movement is in a microbrand called Waldhoff, and I think they were selling at around the $400 price point.
Delusion In The Brain pretty sure that’s not how it works. The movement is pretty good compared to a lot of Japanese movements.
Thanks for bringing this watch to our attention. Really nice watch! I will say I slightly disagree about the bezel. The bezel markers are at 2.5 sec increments. I think that adds to an aesthetically balanced appearance. Thanks as always for your high quality videos. It’s been a pleasure watching your channel evolve into a really professional, premiere watch review channel.
Thanks!
Not usually a fan of skeleton watches, but you hit the nail on the head with all the pros and cons. Overall, it's a pretty great watch for the price. Great review.
Got mine not only is it everything that said it would be I put it on the time grapher it reads +2 zero beat error and well into the 300 amplitude amazing.
Mines been keeping pretty good time as well! Kind of crazy for something with that large of a power reserve.
Love seeing your channel finally start to get the attention it deserves
Great review. Especially how you show 6 vs 8 beats per second.
Was completely new to watches 3 years ago, bought a SARB033 solely off a throwaway comment from you, that it was the best watch out there (in a Seiko 5 review video.) I love this watch and bought a few more in the years since 😅💯💯💯salute
Thanks for such informative and helpful videos! I'm building out my budget watch collection and really value your guidance!
For anyone interested in the Hangzhou 7500 movement, but not necessarily the Boderry case, Earnshaw has this in their Baron and Clarke models. The Baron is a more traditional and the Clarke is a Royal Oak homage. As with most Earnshaw, they are massively overpriced, but they are currently half off for about 250 USD each. They are having a BOGO father's day sale, so that brings them down to 125 each, which is a great value then.
Had one of these for 5 months now (steel case with red accents), threw it on a Nato and it's been my introduction to automatic watches, and that power reserve is quite impressive, it's also holding up well even with my fairly physically active job, it doesn't keep the *best* time but it looks so cool it's entirely forgiven.
I'll keep an eye on Boderry in the future, though I'm also digging into Orient and Sugess watches for more cool affordable mechanical watches
The eye is attracted to yellow first before anything else, so that's what I plumed for. One disadvantage is the yellow text is a bit gaudy but its a trade off between a Skeletal watch and the viability of the hands.
And really, sometimes being *slightly* gaudy is fun and makes it stand out more, I went for that bright red version myself
@@UNSCPILOT well done. Enjoying something different that you personally like is what makes watch collecting fun
This is interesting; maybe an early indication of the Chinese developing their own watch 'style' rather than cheap copies of Japanese and European models.
China already has a booming watch industry with a lot of high end Chinese brands
Nope, it's a copy as well. Google Roger Dubuis Excalibur and there you have it.
@@SinnerAndSaint So bad... with that excellent movement I was expecting not just an homage, anyway it's the movement what I find more interesting.
An interesting watch indeed. I think Chinese watch is slowly getting their own style of watch and with their superior production power, they can cut a lot of cost easily.
Great detailed explanation and video segment on the beat rate, Dave! So far I haven't seen any watch reviewer do this! You have outdone yourself here! 😊👍
Thanks! Had fun making that part.
@@JusttheWatch cool!👍
You are right, Cartoonist. I have never seen other watch reviewers actually slow down the watch seconds motion for the viewers to enjoy. I do hope other reviwer include this feature in all their reviews in the future.
What this reviewer has done has made this teview so professional, yet very accessible to all the viwers. Thank you
Have one & love it! What a deal. Titanium case, sapphire front & back, 72 hr + power reserve, automatic winding when worn, spin the stem to hand wind & watch the mainspring coil up (charging it) 8 beats per second top // for $150 west USA 2020 dollars //
Looks like a bargain. Could do with white hands to improve legibility, otherwise excellent for the money. Cheers Dave 👍🏻
Man, that watch is beautiful. Thanks for the heads up
wow, you really have been stepping up your video editing skills! Take my like
Thanks for the review, you are a great content creator. This is on my wishlist. Boderry even mentioned your review to say all new Urbans will be version 2.0 to address your criticisms. Did they ever reach out to to say what exactly they changed?
Reply from Boderry:
Hello, the optimization of Urban Titanium 2.0 is as follows:
1. The sharp edge of the case is further polished
2. Enhanced luminous brightness
Thanks
Regards
Thanks! 😊
Hangzhou are a pretty impressive movement manufacturer - eager to prove its movements work well and can deliver interesting complications/technical specifications.
You know, to add to my last message. I just took a look at the website and this watch with the coloured contrasting hands like the blue, yellow or red is much better in my opinion. The bright colours are much easier to read on the dial. I like it. I like the red and I think it would look really sharp with a red rubber strap :)
Beer and Watches - I agree. I’m going to order the red one. Kinda ‘pops’. Love your idea about the rubber strap btw.
Can't help but agree just ordered the Red version and eyeing up a couple different straps to pair with it
I’ll admit I’m a little bit snobby when it comes to watches. But this is very well executed. I don’t usually like bezels with that design, but it works with this watch. A 72 hour power reserve is very impressive and it’s great to watch is crank up through the dial. For the price this would be a steal.
Great video, and an interesting watch! But I don't think anyone calls 28,800bph "hi-beat" anymore. 8 ticks/sec is pretty pedestrian nowadays. Most watch geeks will say that true hi-beat movements vibrate at 36,000bph, or 10 ticks/sec. Cheers!
Yeah, you're totally right. I'm sort of using it more colloquially than technically, since the channel focuses on affordable watches, the overwhelming majority of what I review are movements that run at 6 beats per a second. So in that category, 8 beats is a little bit of a novelty, so I call it hi-beat (relative to what you'd usually find)
Brilliant watch for the price with a massive power reserve, how have they pulled this off.Thanks for sharing.
Another review well done! Great camera work and clarity. Thorough and well thought out. Glad I found this channel.
Appreciate it!
It caught my attention in Alibaba then I came to check if any reviews here in YT , and here you are reviewing the same color I picked ! Very useful . Thanks !
I just got this watch today(ordered a few weeks ago), and truly impressed. Got the blue hands/accents with the olive drab distressed leather strap. Wouldn't have known about this without you! Early impression... A lot of watch for the money.
Glad to hear you like it!
not a huge fan of the watch but I'd love to get my hands on that movement and put something together with it.
Great review as always Dave! This watch actually reminds me of the Richard Mille RM028 in a good way.
The bezel is the only thing I think ruins its, but with that said I am seriously considering getting one.
Macro slomo is amazing, thanks for the great video !
Thanks man!
Make it more Damasko/ Sinn style with 200m wr/date/ screwdown crown/good lume it’d be the perfect watch for me! Good review.
Something i dont like about this watch is sharp edges. Thanks for the information Dave 👍
The name sucks. Boderry. They need to go back to the drawing board with that one...
Rolux ?
It might be the English “translation “ of a Chinese word or they wanted something European sounding
Sounds like some kind of rash associated with a venerial dissease
Sounds like a mix of Bulgari and Burberry :)
@@SGM805 xelor
This is such an interesting watch but I am not sure about the legibility and the bezel...but still really cool. Great review Dave 😊👍
Yeah, skeletonised watches really do compromise on legibility. It's more of a showpiece of the mechanism.
Skeleton watches are not my cup of tea. But the technical specs are impressing. Well, the Hamilton Khaki Field has a PR of 80 hours at the cost of a higher
beat rate though.
I have it, is very nice watch, and so exactly on time, so happy to have it
For me the hands are too thin, I can’t read the time
There are color options where the hands are yellow or red. It's not really my cup of coffee, but I guess you could read the time better on them.
Look at that spring at the back 😮
2:00 Damn look at all the shellac on the pallet jewels 😬
yikes
Whats shellac is that the glue on the pallet?
@@NathanChisholm041 yeah
This is very appealing to me, despite the good points you made about the bezel and the less than refined finish. My biggest problem with it, as others have mentioned, is legibility. I love skeletonized watches and it has long baffled me that their makers don't make a point of choosing hands with maximum contrast. Still, the price is great and maybe some of the alternative hands/crown pairs you mentioned will ameliorate the legibility issue.
You don’t mention whether there is any AR coating. By the look of it under your lights, there isn't. Correct?
Other than the useless outer ring marks... the real issue that I have with this is that it needs more visible hands... to actually be usable at a glance. Any skeleton watch is going to be rather busy so... prominent hands are a must.
It has a version with red tipped hands and highlights, that's the version I opted for and ordered, It's also got a version with yellow/gold hands and detailing that doesn't look too bad, IMO
Now that's what I call an interesting watch!
Very interesting watch, but it's unfortunate that it's almost impossible to tell what time it is? It would be much better if the lume had been applied to the entire hands rather than just the end bit.
🎉🎉I love Boderry.. they are a highly underrated microbrand that offers a substantial punch for the price, warning though, may take a while to get to you but it is absolutely worth the wait, you will NOT be disappointed!! ❤❤
First review of yours I didn't like ...you kept changing to your next thought by saying "yeah so..." over and over. It interfered with the watch review and was aggravating but....this review and this watch..fantastic and great to see the evolution. Get your confidence up and boom! You did a super job with this time piece and although I'm not a big skeletonized watch guy...you made me love this watch. Bravo sir.
Nice, but would have preferred the hands to be more legible. Great review as always!
There are Red and Gold/yellow version available, at least on Amazon, Picked up the red version myself to be the first of my "collection"
Very nice moving shots of the watch. Nice editing.
At least they aren't copying other brands! If more Chinese watch companies would do the same..
Great production value- loved the moving macro shots!
You probably don't want to mod this watch, but it's hard to read the time with the black hands against all the other black. It would look nicer if there was a different set of hands. Maybe silver or luminous with bigger arrows. Otherwise it's a nice watch.
I have one of these. Its still going after almost 3 years.
Impressive watch for the price, but I don't appreciate the 50m water resistance on a dive watch design.
Do you not
Skeleton watches don’t have good enough sealing for deeper diving. With that said, They could’ve went for a more sporty look especially around the bezel. Less numbers, more lume. Nice design though
Truly epic amounts of shellac on those pallet stones.
Thanks for the review. Apparently a sale starts on 15th and lots of colour options which imo improve legibility.
AUTOMATIC•21 JEWELS 72H POWER RESERVE
That's why I like sterile dials.
Yeah, I don't get why manufacturers feel the need to add this. The dials with "tourbillon" really state the bleeding obvious though...
Really like the design and concept of this watch however not a huge fan of either straps it comes with. How would a black rubber strap fit/look on this watch and any suggestions that would work?
Check out the shot at 11:00 to see it on a tropic rubber strap. That's my favorite lool for it.
Just the Watch Ah, yes thank you. That look excellent! Any videos you would recommend showing me how to change a similar strap over?
Looks good, amazing value for sure! Thanks for the review!
The case shape is basically a copy of a Rolex Explorer II
No it's not
Well done, informative video. Personally I do not mind the illegible hands, the skeletonized dial and case back window allows makes me want to just stare into the watch from an engineering standpoint. I just ordered one from the website, I have no idea when it should arrive but I’m looking forward to it.
Hey, it's been 4 weeks, was it worth buying it? I'm really thinking of buying this watch but the yellow one, for easyr visibility.
If skeletons are your thing this is a great option for the money. I'm looking at the non skeleton version of this - I really like their 'different' look.
Two videos in a morning has to be the new norm, you have now set a president!
Falling a little behind and trying to catch up. Once a week is more my pace...
viperkil13 - Precedent.
Love this watch, I own one... my only problem is the legibility.... Not the easiest watch to look down and insta know yup.. it's time to go.
Quartz also sweep but it uses too much battery so they made them tick. Take Mechaquartz is an example of a quartz that sweeps on the chrono
IF only the outer numbers were 1-12 for timezones I'd love it. Was going to get it until the fixed bezel was mentioned
I have a bulova that sweeps and is quartz, the accutron 262khz. It's battery, which died over 1.5 years, was the same as my car remote and garage opener! The cr2010 which is the size of a dime!
Some people put quite a lot of effort in doing some technical things, but at the end they fail to achieve the most important objective of a watch - to keep time with high accuracy.
No matter what materials are used, how many functions it can perform or how fancy it looks, if a watch can't keep time to high accuracy it's a failure and not worth paying a penny for it.
If accuracy is everything, then you want a quartz anyway.
For a relatively cheap skeletal watch with some otherwise decent specs I don't mind zeroing the time once a week or so, if you want a perfect time keeping mechanical watch your either going to need to spend more or sacrifice other features.
At least that's how I see this, I ordered the Red version which handily solves the readability, and since I'm fascinated by the open mechanics of it I'm probably going to more than happy to fiddle with it as often as I dare
Really want to get one of these in, should have the quartz you reviewed in the next couple of days...couldn't resist that caseback!
This is not remotely "high beat". The industry standard for high beat starts at 36,000 VPH. This Chinese movement has a very standard sweep at 28,000. I also own the Seiko you discuss here and that watch uses one of Seiko's workhorse movements that also isn't remotely close to high beat. It's designed to be beat to crap on a daily basis, which high beat movements are not (high beat movements are most often extraordinarily delicate and need servicing very often even from just regular wear). The 72 hour power reserve is pretty cool at this price point though!
28800 = high beat during 1970s, but yeah nowdays hi-beat = 36000
Yeah, technically not high beat by today's standards. But compared to other movements in the affordable price range it is.
wow.... thats a gorgeous watch
What time is it? I’ll pass on the watch but great camera work.
Cool watch. But up close you can definitely see some finishing (or lack there of) issues. But for what you get for $150 it's still a good value. I would be curious about how long it runs though and if servicing it would be worth the time and money.
I bought one of these watches and while I like it overall, mine has nowhere near 72 hours of reserve power. I might get 24 hours if I'm lucky. That's not a total deal breaker since the watch has no complications. So if it's stopped running, all I have to do is wind it and set the time.
It's not super legible either, but that's a problem with pretty much all skeleton watches I've seen. It's more of a fashion statement and something cool to look at.
Very interesting watch for a skeleton watch only concern the regulator is covered so trying to adjust the time could prove difficult or impossible pity we didn't get it on the time Grapher
but I can't tell the time...
Is there an option for white hands?
The watch looks really cool and sharp and u r one of the best guy who are making such a great videos on watches. Keep it up...
Just got mine, with red accents, and swapped out the strap for a red silicone one.
Very impressive! Not a big fan of skeleton watches, but they have a normal dial one too.
50m WR is kind of a shame though
the non skeletonize black dial are more pleasing and wish they have smooth plain bezel rather than numeral bezel and water resist rating at least 10bar/100m.
Movement aside. This case is a winner!
Thanks for the review, Dave. I applaude the initiative that Boderry has taken in bringing an affordable, high-spec skeleton watch to the mass market. However, this seems to be more of a ‘working copy’ than a ‘final submission’ to me. Apologies for the composition metaphor ... I am an English teacher 😁. Good effort, but just a little more tweaking required (ahem).
As an aside (oh brother!), I am really enjoying how your channel is unfolding. End-of-academic-year report card: While maintaining your much-appreciated, unassuming manner, you are successfully broadening your focus of reviews. Your branding is very catchy (I just love the logo) and you are putting that nifty new camera to very good use. It is now my most-favourite watch channel by far.
Cheers, Dave! [Speaker smiles, nods and raises his glass].
Thanks, prof!
Bros spent too much time on the furry forums
Great review my friend :) I really like the look of this and would love to get one in to review on my channel. I agree the legibility is really a problem here. All they had to do was put in solid hands of a contrasting colour. I am going to take a look at the watches though. Thanks for another great video. Best. MJ
72 hr power reserve itself is not technical challenging, all you need is a longer spring. What is challenging is how to keep the accuracy throughout when the spring unwinds from full power to barely enough power to tick it over. So, what is the daily rate of this watch and what is the greatest variation?
Haven't done extensive accuracy testing on it, but it's running about +11 seconds a day on average.
The watch looks great except for the writing around the balance on the face ex. The 72 hr power reserve, jewels etc. I also think that it would look better without the teeth on the bezel. If it had just the 10, 20, 30 etc. It would look more subdued and interesting especially with such an intricate design of the dial and hands.
Do they make a titanium bracelet for their titanium case? Also note that their titaniums usually run about $150 USD and that’s without a titanium bracelet.
What are the accuracy expectations for that movement? Great video, nicely done.
I've been getting about +11 seconds a day
Thanks!! Not bad! The site also had some where the hands appear more discernible. Great review!
Great video. Thanks Dave. 😊
I really enjoyed watching your video.
I was just missing one major point.
How is the accuracy of this watch?
Most of such cheap watches are not really good in time keeping.
Most are running too fast. For example 5 minutes per day
If I remember correctly it's around +15 seconds a day. I did a review of the newer version of this watch (the Windmill) which has essentially the same movement where I go into a little more detail regarding the accuracy.
Impressive for the added ‘extras’
Great review of an interesting watch. Can you let me know what watch you are wearing in the video when you are on camera talking?
It's the Yema Navygraf. I'm working on a review of it now that should be out later this month. Sneak peak, I really, really like it.
Dave, it can't be just me but even when you were winding this watch, with the close up, it takes a bit of effort to "locate" the actual hands, in order to see what time it is!!
I mean obscuring the movement for a "skeletonized" is one thing but when it defeats the whole functionality is another.
Never heard of Boderry to be honest, the bezel reminded me of a Seiko Ice Monster. If the hands were solid and more contrasting... sure!
@Gregory Barry agree. This watch doesn’t tell you what time it is, so what use is it?
Those notches not lining up to anything is a no-go for me. What a waste
Steven Ross looks like the mid notch is lining up with the five minute markers the two surrounding frame the minutes numerals? Purely decoration but ive seen far worse
I think the bezel might just be a copy (homage?) of the Roger Dubuis Lamborghini watch which uses that same design but it quite possibly even uglier.
Very cool watch ! At first glance i thought it was electronic ! Great review 👍 cheers!
Super cool watch! Hope to one day be able to review it on my channel! Keep it up brother!!
Something I like about mechanical watches is this figure: 28.000 vph x 24h/d = 691.200 !!!! wow x 365 d/yr = 252.288.000 WHAT?!!!, Try to do 252 millions times anything!!! and that year after year.
Well, you also have 36000bph zenith, zenith lab 15hz, bulova accutron 360hz...
Wow you are so good on math...😀
@@miloscvetkovic2633 Sorry, the Bulova Precisionist (ie; Accutron 's) frequency is 262.144 kHz/second. good enought for +/-- 10 seconds/year. No offense intended Milos, but I'm wearing on right now and I just couldn't resisist.
tim ford I also own Bulova, but original spaceview. I am talking about original bulova, not new models.
@@miloscvetkovic2633 I stand corrected , Milos. Thank you.