But then again rapid trigger are getting popular now, the drunkdeer A75 and the next Akko mod007 are hall effect with cheaper and much much less bloat than 2GB Razer software.
For keyboard enthusiast and modding with small extra features wooting is better, but for anyone who isn’t too much into keyboards and want a good performing keyboard than apex pro all day.
I got the apex pro TKL version 1.0 just before the usb C version came out (without pass through) I have heard about rapid trigger coming out but I am too lazy to care what it does. I also got my apex pro TKL for like $130 on sale last year just before the new version came out, so it not a bad deal.
It's not a comparison to the wooting and Steelseries most CERTAINLY did not kill it in performance. It's an absolute trash comparison - the only reason this guy is even mentioning it, is because he thinks we're too stupid to not recognize that, he only gets paid if you buy Steelseries through his link.
@@yoblazesnot really, everyone knows that wooting is superior keyboard with some extra features but those are features not everyone will take advantage of (For non-enthusiasts). Apex pro is certainty a good enough gaming keyboard that you can buy at any local Best Buy for anyone not too into keyboard. Wooting a better keyboard but it won’t make you better gamer, even with faster actuations and rapid triggers.
@nazarethproductions7095 yes but your not understanding me - what I'm speaking about is in regards to the contextual way this video was posted. Look at the title - listen to his comparison - the entire video is just clickbait and freaking LAZY, just, thrown together clickbait at that. If he posted the video in the way you just described it - that would be perfectly fine! Because everything you said is true and the points are valid.
@@yoblazes I don’t think it’s click bait, before steel series updates Apex pro was not even close or comparable to wooting not even mentioned on the same level. With the new update such as the rapid trigger and small update on custom actuation it’s actually close to wooting but just not refined as wooting. Razed tried doing the rapid trigger update but it’s just not as smooth as the steelseries but that had all to do with the type of switches they have. I can see where you stand on your point though if you’re not too into boardzys type of videos.
the 0.2 rapid trigger tip helped a lot thank you I've had it on 0.1 and it was really glitchy and I was trying to find out what settings would make it better W
My Apex Pro died 2-3 days BEFORE they released the rapid trigger update. So I bought the Wooting Two HE. So far I'm pretty happy with it. I don't think I have any complaints at all. Well maybe the fact that its missing a volume wheel and the wrist rest is better on Apex Pro (because its attached with magnets). I was happy with the Apex Pro too tho. Wooting does have better software but I still use SS Engine because of Sonar, so getting a Wooting didn't get rid of SS Engine in my case. Overall, if you have the money, I would probably go for the Wooting. Supporting them is also a plus. They did come up with Rapid trigger in the first place so more competition on the market is good.
I've wanted to buy a Wooting forever, but I'm not a proponent of pre-ordering anything. He brings up a good point about just ordering from Amazon and getting something similar the next day.
There’s definitely a benefit to having something shipped to your doorstep overnight and having the option to return it within 30 days and receiving a 100% refund instantly. Not to mention it’s ~25% cheaper than the wooting
Don't get it, I've had it and sold it. I bought mine second hand though, it is an overpriced overhyped keyboard. Don't get me wrong, it is still a great keyboard but it is also overhyped and overpriced. Especially now.
The Apex Pro Mini does use a standard 60% layout, which means it CAN be modded to fit in any universal 60% tray mount case and aftermarket keycaps (like those in the video).
I've never bought anything renewed ever, but I got a 2023 Apex pro TKL renewed just to use as I wait for my Wooting. Was planning on returning it anyways. But I fell in love with it. Idk if I got a special version or what, but the sound of the typing sounds just as good if not better than Wootings. When I looked at reviews the Apex pro did not sound as good as this one I have and that was my main gripe with it before buying it. The steelseries software works great imo. Every review I've seen uses that as a reason to not get it. I really can not comprehend that opinion. It works fine. I can customize the actuation and rapid trigger of every key in the 60% area. Have 5 different configs I can swap between instantly with the on screen display. After reading comments and watching reviews I expected the apex pro to be quite awful/mid. I'm convinced the youtube comment section is more like a blind cult following at this point. People see their favorite tech reviews nut over a product and that "opinion" becomes their whole personality despite never trying said product or both products. Coming from someone who has been PC gaming for the last 8 years and frequently am in the masters/immortal ranks of every game, this keyboard is perfect for me. Sounds incredible (my favorite part of the keyboard), actually has media/arrow/functions keys, on screen display, and can ship to your house in 2 days. I genuinely don't see a single advantage for Wooting, but if you read online you'd think the Wooting gonna give you a BJ and make you a sandwich while also ranking you up to radiant.
is it worth selling my apex pro mini for a wooting 60he? Ive wanted a custom keyboard for a while now but they felt too slow in fps games. Ive seen that you can mod the wooting 60he but not the apex. Just want to see if there is any big difference between the 2 or if they perform the same.
My wooting out of the box is the nicest computer peripheral I've ever bought. I mean it feels and sounds so perfect just straight out of the box. Then you can upgrade and mod it if you want. They've just released an aluminium case too if you choose. I swear. I'm in love with mine. Highly recommend it to anyone on the fence.
for me too and the wrist pad they make is a must have and glad i got it at the same time i got my keyboard.. i was questioning if i should get it at the time and i made the right choice. for me though im a logi G whore so i own a ton of logi gear and they are well constructed as well. recently i bought the superlight v2 (my daily driver) and the new pro x tkl to compliment it.. i use that for games that require me to use the F buttons a lot and it sucks to use the FN buttons just to hit f1-f9.. i understand you can customize that but nah.. lol
I hope Wooting makes like a 75% version of the 60HE. I use the ~ key a bit and I don’t want to have to take extra steps to type that in. Also I don’t want to use the Wooting “arrow keys”.
@@mtbjon3587 with default settings you have to press fn + shift + [esc/~], but they can just remap it to some other key + fn so rly shouldn't be an issue
i tried the rapid trigger on steelseries, but not having a low actuation point where it resets going back up makes it so my keys will just stop working even if i continue holding them. this messes up my movement in val so i had to stop using it
I am probably the only person on the planet who did not buy the 60HE for rapid-trigger, but for the software solution and the ability to do everything without bloat on the computer.😂
Nah bro I just ordered a wooting for like 80% of that same reason lol. Since the woot won’t arrive for like a month though I just ordered an apex pro tkl from Amazon on next day shipping since it’s 33% off on sale here right now. If it can genuinely impress me I’ll keep the damn thing and cancel the woot but if it even slightly pisses me off in the software it’s going straight back to Amazon lol.
The reason people still want brown switches (I won't use anything else) is because you can type and game on them. Typing on linear or red switches is just about impossible, IF it's not a wooting. If you don't plan on typing and only gaming, then get a linear switch keyboard. Otherwise, get a keyboard with brown switches.
I have the apex pro tkl, when i tried the rapid trigger thing I always like suddenly stop walking or smt like that, mb im not accustomed yet, is the wooting like that too?
I have an Akko World Tour 60% and I just went and bought the Apex Pro Mini, gonna transfer the keycaps to the Apex Pro Mini because why not and just enjoy my rapid trigger.
can you try the akko 007 anniversary keyboard? it has magnetic switches with a feature that sounds similar to rapid trigger, haven't found many reviews.
Akko came out with a model with similar switches, and in a more popular form factor. It's still in development, but I think they'll have a much better product if you take the state out of the box. SteelSeries have terrible keyboards right now, and only switches don't change that. Wooting has expensive options, Akko has good keyboards right now.
Akko's keyboard kinda implies either TTC or Huano is making comparable switches meaning we'll see way more companies releasing similar keyboards. And I reckon most of them would be way better than the wooting while also costing less.
@@NyangisKhan The Akko version is already cheaper, $140. At the same time, this is the same 007PC with flex-cuts on pcb and plate. I would really replace the keycaps. I already ordered it for myself.
@@2D4J Just ordered it after you mentioned it. Costs roughly $123 in my country with shipping. Excited to try it out. EDIT: Also the witches are magnetic versions of the cream yellow pros so I reckon it's going to sound really freaking good.
@@coyotex850 I highly doubt the software would be on the same level as the wooting in the beginning and probably will be a bit more limited in terms of features. But it is way cheaper and is just *better as a keyboard.* And the switches are magnetic versions of really good switches that honestly doesn't need any lubing so it'll sound _way_ better than the wooting.
Same, I have wooting and it's the best keyboard out of every keyboard I have, recently a friends of mine advised another friends to buy apex pro tkl and I asked the price of the apex and it was the same price as wooting and for me it was a useless move, unless he wanted a keyboard fast and don't wanted to wait months to get it, wooting is better at the same price.
i have the apex pro . it is not possible to give the buttons different button activation or? its nice to have rapid trigger on 0.1 but on the space button i need 1
@@chasemcallian3041 I've got random ghost inputs as of yesterday. Countless posts going back months on Reddit too. You can temporarily fix it with a firmware update which indicates an issue with their broken ass software. I guarantee you, it will happen to you eventually.
If you were to recommend these keyboards for a beginner, which one would it be? I've used the Corsair Strafe MX Cherry Brown, Corsair K95 RGB Platinum MX Cherry Brown and on Christmas Eve I got the HyperX Alloy Origins PBT HX Red which is perfectly fine but all this talk about the SteelSeries Apex Pro and Wooting makes me wonder if these would be significantly better than my current keyboard.
They would probably be a little bit better, but unless you're very skilled and playing at the highest ranks in your games of choice, it's not something you should really be worrying about all that much. If money is somehow of no concern to you, it would be an upgrade. Overall though you're probably going to be fine. It's up to you how much you think it will help you. Still plenty of pros on keyboards that don't have rapid trigger, so clearly it won't hinder you that much to wait a little. this tech might become cheaper too.
That's called an echo chamber. Be patient and buy the better product. The steelseries is some mass-produced garbage that could care less about the actual keyboard and more about what lines their pockets
Adding rapid trigger through an update is a W from steelseries if you already owned one but I would a second wooting before I look elsewhere with the current competition
On the TKL you can use the little oled screen. Nav to actuation then click the scroll wheel down and it toggles it. No idea if its got similar support for the mini.
@@bezellik when I try to do that, it turns all keys to 0.1 when I truly only want wasd. If I close out the app and it’s minimized, I try to close the task completely and it just switches to its default profile and not my customized one. Where as on wooting, I don’t need any software which is pretty cool. I just wish SteelSeries could do that
I mean if you're lazy and don't care about having the best, go Steelseries. There's a reason almost every pro switched to the Wooting and have modded theirs.
Steelseries products have always had atrocious quality when it comes to software. I can say as a wooting owner the preorder wait is well worth it. I wont touch steelseries products ever again.
Its implementation is so much jenkier than Wooting and I haven’t quite figured out why yet. It having basically an on and off status with zero customisation for a feature that demands it is truly… a move
i agree for gaming optical switches are bare minimum. all those contact based mechanical "gaming" keyboards are an abomination with their debounce delay and rapid aging of the contacts. i don't even use that trash for typing - i have NIZ electrocapactive for that. unfortunately when i had steelseries i had to send it back because wireless didn't work for me plus with my display positioning RGB was reflecting too much in the screen. currently using Asus ROG Scope RX TKL Wireless Deluxe and it's pretty good. screen reflections are well controlled, wireless works like a champ and switches are smooth as butter. i don't need the wireless but think it's a nice bonus to have if you want to use the keeb for HTPC. no rapid trigger on the ROG of course as it's only optical.
If you want a keyboard that will randomly start spamming keys by itself with no way to fix it (and even Steelseries haven't attempted to address to this day), then get the Apex Pro. Similarly if you want software that doesn't let you change anything on the keyboard with a fatal error. There are pages and pages of posts on the SteelSeries reddit about these issues and still nothing. Avoid at all costs and get the Wooting.
Buy Wooting ... the best keyboard. I had both and is definitaly a difference in the details, which is, what matters ... its worth to wait and more cost.
I wonder if the Apex Pro can be updated similarly. Still a solid update but I'm not into 60% keyboard unfortunately. I'm more of a 96 key layout. Maybe some keyboard company will do this layout with the same tech as Wooting or the Apex Pro.
Actually the performance are very similar ! Apex have more disponibility on the market it s wireless and it s tkl ! 3 things that persuade me to buy it ! Wooting can be a bit better I never will buy a 60% keyboard 😊
Performance wise there are similar, it will come down to the extra features that wooting does offer. You really can’t go with either one but for sure wooting has a better build quality & also could be modded. If you don’t care about build quality or aren’t a keyboard enthusiast than apex pro is a good choice.
Cant get Wooting in my Country and importing it costs a arm and a leg. Not worth the price tag. the Apex costs ($280) quite a bit also but much less than the Wooting which is around ($380).
optimum tech did a test on both of them if anybody wants actual facts on each & the apex "rapid trigger" is DEFINITELY not on the same level as wootings esp when it comes to the customization(not of the actual keyboard but software but the keyboard too)& as someone who does play apex,csgo,val etc i would say the extra $30-40 is worth spending on the wooting, youre better off doing it right the first time bc the apex does feel slightly off/inconsistent compared to the other
@@garethg8226 wow i left mine in the desk cuz i got a wooting mini for the rapid trigger. Shit is insane in CSGO and valorant for counter strafing. But this might have been worth it, not selling it.
The fact it’s 45 dollars cheaper for the same gaming performance as the wooting,this is well worth the price if you only care about performance in game.
It's not the same performance by ANY stretch of the imagination - the only reason this guy isn't saying the wooting is better, is because wooting isn't a soulless company who pays people to advertise their products....look in this @ssholes description. There's a direct link to buy the freaking steelseries. He's a waste of your time.
@@yoblazes by any stretch? Performance wise it’s a few milliseconds difference,which won’t be noticeable. Rapid trigger and good adjustable actuations are the main features you need for performance in gaming and it’s what mostly set apart the wooting from other keyboards for such a long time. Apex pro mini has caught up in that regard.
not worth cheaper in every region, in my country (france) it's the same price so it's wooting all day imo, unless you don't want to wait for your keyboard.
i have the drunkdeer and its actually really good the only down side is if ur actually comparing it to say steelseries or wooting i would say its better than the steelseries because of the rapid trigger works on it compare to steelseries maybe im just not setting it up properly but i saw this video that steel series has the new update and check it out but for some reason it doesnt work for me but if using a keyboard for actuation drunkdeer is .4mm which for me eliminates the keyboard tapping error or steelseries for a .1mm actuation for gaming. personally i like drunkdeer cause most of the time i press my keys all the way down and .4mm and .1mm is not really a big deal in my opinion and its sounds better too when i mod it. its also a 75 percent keyboard with a volume knob which i like. i use to like and wanting to get the wooting because of the special features but never really like the 60 percent keyboard layout. im more of 65 percent all the way to 96 percent compact keyboard like rk96 but maybe the higround performance keyboard will top all of them.
i have a mountain everest max with which I find myself very well but i want to try a keyborad with rapid trigger....wooting 60he for me are much money 189,99€ + 12€ the shipment...and there's also the custom ............i will to buy steelseries that there's also on amazon and it also comes to me immediately ,more than 200 € for a keyboard that does not even have volume button etc it makes no sense
After experiencing steelseries software when i got acrtis nova pros i have to give a hard pass on anything steelseries. Razors software is miles better and that is saying something.
Wait I saw a video of you trashing custom keyboards. And now you have a blade case, GMK dots, tinkered with the switches, probably changed the stabs etc. Haha.
This guy's an absolute moron. He knows for a FACT the wooting is better, because he owns one - but he thinks his audience is too stupid to recognize that he's lieing through his teeth. I say that b/c because look in the description - of course he's saying steelseries is better, he gets money if you buy one through his link.
I have to agree on both Logitech's GPX 2 Pro and their new Keyboard. Both seem very lack Laster against the competition. And next to no innovation what's so ever.
its crazy how they've had the technology since 2019 yet they're just implementing rapid trigger now
Its crazy how long it took them to copy it really, they mustve finally lost market/pro player share
But then again rapid trigger are getting popular now, the drunkdeer A75 and the next Akko mod007 are hall effect with cheaper and much much less bloat than 2GB Razer software.
@@boardzy what's crazy is this video
@@yoblazesI wouldn't say it's crazy I'd say it's (shocking)
@@boardzythey tried 😂
Never thought id like a 60% keyboard, but the Wooting 60HE is just so amazing. Dont think id buy anything else...except maybe a Wooting 75% lol
Drunkdeer a75 is also a rapid trigger at 75% no idea how the trigger is tho
9 days away
@@Pilug404 Lmao its been 7 days and its nowhere to be seen
they wanted to fix some goofy looks of it@@gangsta412
80he is out for pre-order, just pre-ordered mine and can't wait for it since I don't like the 60he since I find it often that I use F keys a lot. 😊
For keyboard enthusiast and modding with small extra features wooting is better, but for anyone who isn’t too much into keyboards and want a good performing keyboard than apex pro all day.
I got the apex pro TKL version 1.0 just before the usb C version came out (without pass through) I have heard about rapid trigger coming out but I am too lazy to care what it does.
I also got my apex pro TKL for like $130 on sale last year just before the new version came out, so it not a bad deal.
It's not a comparison to the wooting and Steelseries most CERTAINLY did not kill it in performance. It's an absolute trash comparison - the only reason this guy is even mentioning it, is because he thinks we're too stupid to not recognize that, he only gets paid if you buy Steelseries through his link.
@@yoblazesnot really, everyone knows that wooting is superior keyboard with some extra features but those are features not everyone will take advantage of (For non-enthusiasts). Apex pro is certainty a good enough gaming keyboard that you can buy at any local Best Buy for anyone not too into keyboard. Wooting a better keyboard but it won’t make you better gamer, even with faster actuations and rapid triggers.
@nazarethproductions7095 yes but your not understanding me - what I'm speaking about is in regards to the contextual way this video was posted. Look at the title - listen to his comparison - the entire video is just clickbait and freaking LAZY, just, thrown together clickbait at that.
If he posted the video in the way you just described it - that would be perfectly fine! Because everything you said is true and the points are valid.
@@yoblazes I don’t think it’s click bait, before steel series updates Apex pro was not even close or comparable to wooting not even mentioned on the same level. With the new update such as the rapid trigger and small update on custom actuation it’s actually close to wooting but just not refined as wooting. Razed tried doing the rapid trigger update but it’s just not as smooth as the steelseries but that had all to do with the type of switches they have. I can see where you stand on your point though if you’re not too into boardzys type of videos.
the 0.2 rapid trigger tip helped a lot thank you I've had it on 0.1 and it was really glitchy and I was trying to find out what settings would make it better W
Is it fixed now?
Is It fixed now? I have some problems with mine and when i set the rapid trigger sens to 0,1 and auc to 0.1 it gliches out.
@@klubba1171 mine works on 0.1 just fine
My Apex Pro died 2-3 days BEFORE they released the rapid trigger update. So I bought the Wooting Two HE.
So far I'm pretty happy with it. I don't think I have any complaints at all. Well maybe the fact that its missing a volume wheel and the wrist rest is better on Apex Pro (because its attached with magnets). I was happy with the Apex Pro too tho.
Wooting does have better software but I still use SS Engine because of Sonar, so getting a Wooting didn't get rid of SS Engine in my case.
Overall, if you have the money, I would probably go for the Wooting. Supporting them is also a plus. They did come up with Rapid trigger in the first place so more competition on the market is good.
How did ur apex pro die??
Stop the cap.
I've wanted to buy a Wooting forever, but I'm not a proponent of pre-ordering anything. He brings up a good point about just ordering from Amazon and getting something similar the next day.
but if you did get it a month ago you would've already had it
There’s definitely a benefit to having something shipped to your doorstep overnight and having the option to return it within 30 days and receiving a 100% refund instantly. Not to mention it’s ~25% cheaper than the wooting
Don't get it, I've had it and sold it. I bought mine second hand though, it is an overpriced overhyped keyboard. Don't get me wrong, it is still a great keyboard but it is also overhyped and overpriced. Especially now.
@@Abadeez Could you expound on your thoughts? I'm not aware of anything similar for a better price.
@@cauzed4980 It's pre-ordering in general. It allows almost anyone ot launch a product and minimize their financial exposure.
Truly shocking moves from steelseries
But why they use same switches both gateron switches Im surprised they didn’t release it earlier
@@milkywayxd1803steel series dont use gateron
@@AngelVillalba-e2qthey actually do they just have their name on them funny thing is on my apex 9 mini the switches say gateron
@@AngelVillalba-e2qwhich all apex 9 modes have
The Apex Pro Mini does use a standard 60% layout, which means it CAN be modded to fit in any universal 60% tray mount case and aftermarket keycaps (like those in the video).
I've never bought anything renewed ever, but I got a 2023 Apex pro TKL renewed just to use as I wait for my Wooting. Was planning on returning it anyways. But I fell in love with it. Idk if I got a special version or what, but the sound of the typing sounds just as good if not better than Wootings. When I looked at reviews the Apex pro did not sound as good as this one I have and that was my main gripe with it before buying it.
The steelseries software works great imo. Every review I've seen uses that as a reason to not get it. I really can not comprehend that opinion. It works fine. I can customize the actuation and rapid trigger of every key in the 60% area. Have 5 different configs I can swap between instantly with the on screen display.
After reading comments and watching reviews I expected the apex pro to be quite awful/mid. I'm convinced the youtube comment section is more like a blind cult following at this point. People see their favorite tech reviews nut over a product and that "opinion" becomes their whole personality despite never trying said product or both products.
Coming from someone who has been PC gaming for the last 8 years and frequently am in the masters/immortal ranks of every game, this keyboard is perfect for me. Sounds incredible (my favorite part of the keyboard), actually has media/arrow/functions keys, on screen display, and can ship to your house in 2 days. I genuinely don't see a single advantage for Wooting, but if you read online you'd think the Wooting gonna give you a BJ and make you a sandwich while also ranking you up to radiant.
is it worth selling my apex pro mini for a wooting 60he? Ive wanted a custom keyboard for a while now but they felt too slow in fps games. Ive seen that you can mod the wooting 60he but not the apex. Just want to see if there is any big difference between the 2 or if they perform the same.
It will not be much of an upgrade. The apex pro and wooting are very similar.
Wooting is a small company, from gamers to gamers. If you can, invest in the small fella.
My wooting out of the box is the nicest computer peripheral I've ever bought. I mean it feels and sounds so perfect just straight out of the box. Then you can upgrade and mod it if you want. They've just released an aluminium case too if you choose. I swear. I'm in love with mine. Highly recommend it to anyone on the fence.
for me too and the wrist pad they make is a must have and glad i got it at the same time i got my keyboard.. i was questioning if i should get it at the time and i made the right choice. for me though im a logi G whore so i own a ton of logi gear and they are well constructed as well. recently i bought the superlight v2 (my daily driver) and the new pro x tkl to compliment it.. i use that for games that require me to use the F buttons a lot and it sucks to use the FN buttons just to hit f1-f9.. i understand you can customize that but nah.. lol
I hope Wooting makes like a 75% version of the 60HE. I use the ~ key a bit and I don’t want to have to take extra steps to type that in. Also I don’t want to use the Wooting “arrow keys”.
Why can't you use ~? I have no issues with this on my 60HE
@@mtbjon3587 with default settings you have to press fn + shift + [esc/~], but they can just remap it to some other key + fn so rly shouldn't be an issue
@@mtbjon3587 there is no tilde on 60 HE
@@mtbjon3587he just explained why…?
@@exot1c_dark066 One can just replace escape with ~
The new corsair K70 now also has this feature. It would be cool if you could test this too and as always great video. Keep it up 👍
Finally SteelSeries is coming in clutch with a viable rapid trigger option in a TKL layout! Great vid :)
never gonna mod it look a wooting so no for me
@@moshingmobdid you type this on a happy meal?
@@moshingmobwhy does the time of the comment matter it’s the internet
@@TheSometimeAfter Hahahah best comment. Im stealing this one.
@@exot1c_dark066 Why does knowing why it matters matter, its the internet!
i tried the rapid trigger on steelseries, but not having a low actuation point where it resets going back up makes it so my keys will just stop working even if i continue holding them. this messes up my movement in val so i had to stop using it
I am probably the only person on the planet who did not buy the 60HE for rapid-trigger, but for the software solution and the ability to do everything without bloat on the computer.😂
Nope - I did too for the exact same reason
Nah bro I just ordered a wooting for like 80% of that same reason lol. Since the woot won’t arrive for like a month though I just ordered an apex pro tkl from Amazon on next day shipping since it’s 33% off on sale here right now. If it can genuinely impress me I’ll keep the damn thing and cancel the woot but if it even slightly pisses me off in the software it’s going straight back to Amazon lol.
@@jlb4685how did u like the apex?
what are the best apex new settings
ayo why is the dav3 pro in the back now? u swapped main mouse?
The reason people still want brown switches (I won't use anything else) is because you can type and game on them. Typing on linear or red switches is just about impossible, IF it's not a wooting. If you don't plan on typing and only gaming, then get a linear switch keyboard. Otherwise, get a keyboard with brown switches.
The Drunkdeer is the same price or a bit less than the Steelseries Apex Pro Mini and it actually has hall effect switches. They have a 75% and a 65%.
if i use apex pro tkl version(not TKL 2023) do i will have rapid trigger option right?
I have the apex pro tkl, when i tried the rapid trigger thing I always like suddenly stop walking or smt like that, mb im not accustomed yet, is the wooting like that too?
should i get a wooting or black friday deal apex pro mini i can get it for 119
So apex pro mini uses Hall effect sensors? Does the version 1 Apex Pro TKL I have also use them? Because I have no clue and I am a clueless man.
Still curious about this in June 2024
omnipoints are HE
have you tried the drunkdeer a75 or g65?
the issue w the apex pro mini detecting more than the wooting at low actuation is because its got twice the delay according to optimum's testing
What Wooting mods are you running? Looking clean
I made a video covering all of them ruclips.net/video/dSp2CObyQKc/видео.htmlsi=k8Yc2RqOoKcZXoeo blade60 case, lighter springs and GMK dots
I have an Akko World Tour 60% and I just went and bought the Apex Pro Mini, gonna transfer the keycaps to the Apex Pro Mini because why not and just enjoy my rapid trigger.
do the rapid trigger is in the software of apex pro mini?
Is this the same on the Apex Pro TKL?
Yo boardzy just commenting to let you know i finially got my hands on a hien and it has been truly life changing
does the apex pro tkl get the same update?
yes
@@boardzy you're a looser
The entire time the Wooting 6he has been around, i have literally never seen it in stock. Its always pre order. Im not preording a keyboard.
can you try the akko 007 anniversary keyboard? it has magnetic switches with a feature that sounds similar to rapid trigger, haven't found many reviews.
bro where did you get those custom keycaps??
Is the spring ping spund an issue on drunkdeer a75 ?
Akko came out with a model with similar switches, and in a more popular form factor. It's still in development, but I think they'll have a much better product if you take the state out of the box. SteelSeries have terrible keyboards right now, and only switches don't change that. Wooting has expensive options, Akko has good keyboards right now.
Akko's keyboard kinda implies either TTC or Huano is making comparable switches meaning we'll see way more companies releasing similar keyboards. And I reckon most of them would be way better than the wooting while also costing less.
@@NyangisKhan The Akko version is already cheaper, $140. At the same time, this is the same 007PC with flex-cuts on pcb and plate. I would really replace the keycaps.
I already ordered it for myself.
@@2D4J Just ordered it after you mentioned it. Costs roughly $123 in my country with shipping. Excited to try it out.
EDIT: Also the witches are magnetic versions of the cream yellow pros so I reckon it's going to sound really freaking good.
For the akko board im sure the hardware itself will be better but the question is will the software be able to keep up and offer a similar feature set
@@coyotex850 I highly doubt the software would be on the same level as the wooting in the beginning and probably will be a bit more limited in terms of features. But it is way cheaper and is just *better as a keyboard.* And the switches are magnetic versions of really good switches that honestly doesn't need any lubing so it'll sound _way_ better than the wooting.
do you think they will release another update soon for individual key customization?
No
I feel like this video was inspired by mine Wooting vs Apex Pro rant on discord, is it right boardzy? :D
Sadly, the apex pro mini isnt reduced in price in every region. For me its literally the same price as the w00ting.
TKL Wireless is 199 at best buy right now.
Same, I have wooting and it's the best keyboard out of every keyboard I have, recently a friends of mine advised another friends to buy apex pro tkl and I asked the price of the apex and it was the same price as wooting and for me it was a useless move, unless he wanted a keyboard fast and don't wanted to wait months to get it, wooting is better at the same price.
will you be reviewing the new mousepad company material hyperglyde?
i have the apex pro . it is not possible to give the buttons different button activation or? its nice to have rapid trigger on 0.1 but on the space button i need 1
It is possible. I believe in you
@@boardzy ah u right thank u, it seems to be working now. I had to do a factory reset
but the software is really bad
Does this work for the tkl apex pro?
SteelSeries all day for me, wireless, tkl size and now has rapid trigger.
I haven’t had that issue with 0.1 actuation for my Apex Pro that’s kinda weird
Neither have I, seems he got a faulty one or something
@@chasemcallian3041 I've got random ghost inputs as of yesterday. Countless posts going back months on Reddit too. You can temporarily fix it with a firmware update which indicates an issue with their broken ass software. I guarantee you, it will happen to you eventually.
Random question for someone like me to have medium or large hands would 60 or 65 be ideal for me or 75 or tkl or does hand size even matter?
The difference between 60, 65, TKL and full-size is horizontal, not vertical. So hand size doesn't matter.
@brzt4256 75 looks different though
If you were to recommend these keyboards for a beginner, which one would it be?
I've used the Corsair Strafe MX Cherry Brown, Corsair K95 RGB Platinum MX Cherry Brown and on Christmas Eve I got the HyperX Alloy Origins PBT HX Red which is perfectly fine but all this talk about the SteelSeries Apex Pro and Wooting makes me wonder if these would be significantly better than my current keyboard.
You dont need such a keyboard if your not going pro. If you want it you buy it.
They would probably be a little bit better, but unless you're very skilled and playing at the highest ranks in your games of choice, it's not something you should really be worrying about all that much. If money is somehow of no concern to you, it would be an upgrade. Overall though you're probably going to be fine. It's up to you how much you think it will help you. Still plenty of pros on keyboards that don't have rapid trigger, so clearly it won't hinder you that much to wait a little. this tech might become cheaper too.
Exactly the review I was looking for
That's called an echo chamber. Be patient and buy the better product. The steelseries is some mass-produced garbage that could care less about the actual keyboard and more about what lines their pockets
@@yoblazeswoah if you’re a Wooting meat rider just say that bro apex is better
I bought a wooting used to have a razer analog love my wooting
Adding rapid trigger through an update is a W from steelseries if you already owned one but I would a second wooting before I look elsewhere with the current competition
If they can make it to where u don’t need that awful software open to use it, that’d be a game changer
On the TKL you can use the little oled screen. Nav to actuation then click the scroll wheel down and it toggles it. No idea if its got similar support for the mini.
It runs while minimized, you can also toggle it by pressing the steel series fn key and T. So I don’t think this is really an issue
@@boardzy ooo okay will try later
@@bezellik when I try to do that, it turns all keys to 0.1 when I truly only want wasd. If I close out the app and it’s minimized, I try to close the task completely and it just switches to its default profile and not my customized one. Where as on wooting, I don’t need any software which is pretty cool. I just wish SteelSeries could do that
is the LA-1 gonna get the seal of approval or no
I mean if you're lazy and don't care about having the best, go Steelseries. There's a reason almost every pro switched to the Wooting and have modded theirs.
Yeah making your keyboard feel personal/unique is a nice little niche I never thought I needed lol.
Steelseries products have always had atrocious quality when it comes to software. I can say as a wooting owner the preorder wait is well worth it. I wont touch steelseries products ever again.
you can tune at which point it actuates. I have my WASD keys set at .1 or whatever the lowest value is
My apex pro mini died from that software update. Cant fix it lol
Its implementation is so much jenkier than Wooting and I haven’t quite figured out why yet. It having basically an on and off status with zero customisation for a feature that demands it is truly… a move
i agree for gaming optical switches are bare minimum. all those contact based mechanical "gaming" keyboards are an abomination with their debounce delay and rapid aging of the contacts. i don't even use that trash for typing - i have NIZ electrocapactive for that. unfortunately when i had steelseries i had to send it back because wireless didn't work for me plus with my display positioning RGB was reflecting too much in the screen. currently using Asus ROG Scope RX TKL Wireless Deluxe and it's pretty good. screen reflections are well controlled, wireless works like a champ and switches are smooth as butter. i don't need the wireless but think it's a nice bonus to have if you want to use the keeb for HTPC. no rapid trigger on the ROG of course as it's only optical.
If you want a keyboard that will randomly start spamming keys by itself with no way to fix it (and even Steelseries haven't attempted to address to this day), then get the Apex Pro. Similarly if you want software that doesn't let you change anything on the keyboard with a fatal error. There are pages and pages of posts on the SteelSeries reddit about these issues and still nothing. Avoid at all costs and get the Wooting.
Buy Wooting ... the best keyboard. I had both and is definitaly a difference in the details, which is, what matters ... its worth to wait and more cost.
DAV3 or wait for RVMSE drop ?
Hello, can u test Corsair K70 Max, thnx. (on Corsair MGX switches)
I wonder if the Apex Pro can be updated similarly. Still a solid update but I'm not into 60% keyboard unfortunately. I'm more of a 96 key layout. Maybe some keyboard company will do this layout with the same tech as Wooting or the Apex Pro.
Yeah I use the TKL and they update the same
Wish the apex pro had analog movement
Fair, I use wootings double movement software for fn at least
Damn it now I wanna replace my apex 9 mini (which I just got like a month ago) with an apex pro… damn you boardzy 😭
"Did Steelseries KILL Wooting Keyboards?"
Answer: No.
Actually the performance are very similar ! Apex have more disponibility on the market it s wireless and it s tkl ! 3 things that persuade me to buy it ! Wooting can be a bit better I never will buy a 60% keyboard 😊
@@lalicdalibor1367agreed
@@lalicdalibor1367and true
Do the wireless apex have this new features
Yes ofc
@@boardzy so the steelseries keyboard have a better value
@@Vicjoestarrbut wooting is still better
Performance wise there are similar, it will come down to the extra features that wooting does offer. You really can’t go with either one but for sure wooting has a better build quality & also could be modded. If you don’t care about build quality or aren’t a keyboard enthusiast than apex pro is a good choice.
@@nazarethproductions7095 but the apex pro isn't it hotswappab'e
I use 0.8mm actuation + rapid trigger. Below that there are too many typos.
Another keyboard will have to blow the wooting out the water for me to change keyboards
Yeah if you have a wooting, no reason to switch off
@@boardzy why didn't you mention that?
Cant get Wooting in my Country and importing it costs a arm and a leg.
Not worth the price tag. the Apex costs ($280) quite a bit also but much less than the Wooting which is around ($380).
Drunkdeer A75 would be great if you checked it out. Not only hall effect but also gasket mounted!
It's plate mounted, at least the last time I checked.
@@itsjaesura you're right, it's plate! I mixed it up with the akko MOD 007 PC!
I bought the steel sereies keyboard as soon as i heard they added the rapid trigger feature and i got it it for 150 TKL version
optimum tech did a test on both of them if anybody wants actual facts on each & the apex "rapid trigger" is DEFINITELY not on the same level as wootings esp when it comes to the customization(not of the actual keyboard but software but the keyboard too)& as someone who does play apex,csgo,val etc i would say the extra $30-40 is worth spending on the wooting, youre better off doing it right the first time bc the apex does feel slightly off/inconsistent compared to the other
Does it work for apex pro TKL
Yes.
@@garethg8226 wow i left mine in the desk cuz i got a wooting mini for the rapid trigger. Shit is insane in CSGO and valorant for counter strafing. But this might have been worth it, not selling it.
anyone know how to keep my RGB settings without keeping the horrible Steelseries GG Engine open?
Review the drunk deer g65 keyboard
I'll wait for your drunkdeer a75 review before i buy any of them
I'm waiting for someone to make an ortholinear one. Moving around with staggered keys feels so dumb after you've used a properly aligned board.
You're gonna be waiting for a long time 💀
So basically this is a good keyboard to use for Microsoft Word?
still waiting on the glass mouse pads round-up
I just got an used Apex Pro with pudding caps already for under $40. I couldn't pass that up
got it on reddit? nice deal
For me the only way it might be worth settling for the apex is if I'm getting the TKL version.
Why is that the only way
@@ghsbadgerfgb8953TKL is just my preference, and it's something wooting doesn't offer yet
The fact it’s 45 dollars cheaper for the same gaming performance as the wooting,this is well worth the price if you only care about performance in game.
It's not the same performance by ANY stretch of the imagination - the only reason this guy isn't saying the wooting is better, is because wooting isn't a soulless company who pays people to advertise their products....look in this @ssholes description. There's a direct link to buy the freaking steelseries. He's a waste of your time.
@@yoblazes by any stretch? Performance wise it’s a few milliseconds difference,which won’t be noticeable. Rapid trigger and good adjustable actuations are the main features you need for performance in gaming and it’s what mostly set apart the wooting from other keyboards for such a long time. Apex pro mini has caught up in that regard.
not worth cheaper in every region, in my country (france) it's the same price so it's wooting all day imo, unless you don't want to wait for your keyboard.
@@toe3267 In your case yeah I’d go wooting all day,for sure.
i had apex pro, and i hate it, now i am om wooting, and that works.
Good thing is this is in stock everywherw unlike wooting
i have the drunkdeer and its actually really good the only down side is if ur actually comparing it to say steelseries or wooting i would say its better than the steelseries because of the rapid trigger works on it compare to steelseries maybe im just not setting it up properly but i saw this video that steel series has the new update and check it out but for some reason it doesnt work for me but if using a keyboard for actuation drunkdeer is .4mm which for me eliminates the keyboard tapping error or steelseries for a .1mm actuation for gaming. personally i like drunkdeer cause most of the time i press my keys all the way down and .4mm and .1mm is not really a big deal in my opinion and its sounds better too when i mod it. its also a 75 percent keyboard with a volume knob which i like. i use to like and wanting to get the wooting because of the special features but never really like the 60 percent keyboard layout. im more of 65 percent all the way to 96 percent compact keyboard like rk96 but maybe the higround performance keyboard will top all of them.
W for the woothing crew
W
thr 45g switches on the apex pro might be the difference for people who dont like 60g switches on wooting
There are lighter wooting switches
@@Kpaxlol true but you need to mod yourself. i am personally fine with 60g switches though, difference is not worth noting
i have a mountain everest max with which I find myself very well but i want to try a keyborad with rapid trigger....wooting 60he for me are much money 189,99€ + 12€ the shipment...and there's also the custom ............i will to buy steelseries that there's also on amazon and it also comes to me immediately ,more than 200 € for a keyboard that does not even have volume button etc it makes no sense
After experiencing steelseries software when i got acrtis nova pros i have to give a hard pass on anything steelseries. Razors software is miles better and that is saying something.
waiting for DrunkDeer A75 and huntsman v3 pro
Nothing will beat the Wooting!!
Cap ima have to say Wooting and apex are basically the same you can’t really tell the difference
Plus im sure in a couple of years or something there is gonna be a new keyboard that is probably even faster then both of them technology is crazy
2:20 kinda proves that the boards are not the same if you gain a whole mm of actuation on the wooting and yes I am here shilling
Wooting Lekker is just a website in my browser, Steelseries software is bloated ad filled mess.
Wait I saw a video of you trashing custom keyboards. And now you have a blade case, GMK dots, tinkered with the switches, probably changed the stabs etc. Haha.
Would be pretty dumb to trash something without first actually trying it out? :D
This guy's an absolute moron. He knows for a FACT the wooting is better, because he owns one - but he thinks his audience is too stupid to recognize that he's lieing through his teeth. I say that b/c because look in the description - of course he's saying steelseries is better, he gets money if you buy one through his link.
I have to agree on both Logitech's GPX 2 Pro and their new Keyboard. Both seem very lack Laster against the competition. And next to no innovation what's so ever.
Logitech is living off their past, the new pro x tkl is 2020 standard and for the price, its not worth it
Having F keys in a bless when you are playing MOBAs
both are close to the same prize in europe if i buy the one without keycap from wootin they are even cheaper than steelseries
love my 60he but damn do i wish it was a tkl..