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@@soulfulfool Hifiman themselves sells brand new ones as part of an upgrade program for $2500. So technically you could get them for a total of 3700 if you paid 1200 for the Arya Organics.
B stock definitely, probably some small blemish or a rebox or something. I got a B stock Audeze LCD -4 years ago for $2700 not the 5.7k AUD they were retail. B stock Audeze Isine 20 for $150 B stock Focal Elegia for $300 not $1400 That's all the b stock stuff I've bought @@soulfulfool
The 2.5 mm model is an older one. Bought mine three weeks ago and came with 3.5 mm in ear cup jacks (maybe a stealth revision?). Also there is no squeaky sound. My iFi Pro iCan Signature drives it like a charm with plenty of spare power. Good job Z!
The new revision doesn't have anything to do with stealth magnets. The susvara was the original headphone with the stealth magnets when it first released.
@@bonanzabrandon6877 I know Susvara was the first stealth magnets implementation. I wanted to say a "stealth" revision as an unannounced, "silent" modification vs OG, 2.5 mm vs 3.5 mm jacks in new model.
@@ZReviewsGreat review! The new model squeeks less, but yeah there is some squeek and I guess the pads are also better, because these are much softer than Arya's.
🐅❤️🐅 thank you for the shout out You are not kidding, I’ve been putting it off for quite awhile LOL and I think they have been tested more than any other audio equipment in the last 18 months Final tally, Mono block benchmark, AHB2 serene kte May kte I think we’re nearly finally ready, excellent vid
@@eruilluvitar it was already thoroughly tested on the OOR, Cayin ha300 mk ii with Elrogs tubes and Ha6a when it comes to tube amplifiers, I hope by the time the re-review is completed one of those lands on the desk too, I’m waiting to hear back from Zach in regards to the naut
@@steffanlian it does a nice job, if you don’t expect God tear Highly engaging immersive and seductive when it comes to lyrical songs obviously all the tubes are upgraded, the biggest difference I found in impact which was the most strangest thing was the rectifiers, these are not supposed to make such a difference. Svetlanka winged c el34 though to be fair, I prefer Katie 88 Telafunken it does a good job, nothing like the H a 300 MKII on the desk right now with Elrogs but just the tubes alone cost a third of the H86A to be fair
I had quite a similar experience, where i did not understand how these could sound like this and how music I know for years, suddenly sounds So much better and different. Only pair of headphones ever, that gave me actual goosebumps while listening. I am pretty sure, that i will never spend this kind of money on headphones, but they are amazing.
@@NFStopsnuf Not a lot, i would reckon. There might be some part of it, but you know how often things, that are more expensive are also...hum..actually better? Doesnt mean you can't use the stuff you either can or want to afford AND enjoy it, but there are areas where i have to admit, that expensive things, even over prized, are objectively better. Whether it is worth the asked price ( aka value) is a different question, though and it never helps to mix things together, that should be discussed seperately . In this case A. Sound Quality B. Value for the given price. The fact that value goes down - specially with audio products - the higher the price tags are, is really nothing new. In the end, it would lead to a discussion about capitalism and the so called "free market" and how we seem to have lost a reasonable way of handling things, so i kinda agree with your - assumed - motivation, but not the statement. Also, listened to the H1 and the Shangi-la too - no goose bumps :P
@En Joshi-Godrez Tried Arya's a few weeks ago, and they were so above my Edition XS's that it was undoubtable. From what I had read prior to experiencing the headphones myself was mostly that the difference is small and waste of money. Obviously that is so far from reality.
Waited years for this. As soon as I FINally pull the trigger, (1) I seen the preview that this video was coming & (2) then the Caldera is higher praised as the best planar, now. 😆 Screw it. I’m out the game & just enjoying what magic the Susvara brings. 😊 Exact description of their sound. Multi-layers of beautifully presented sound. That makes you say, it makes no sense how weirdly spectacular it is! EVERYthing of every genre I’ve tested is 😮.
I wouldn't call the caldera better than this. It's a very, very different headphone. The caldera has that zmf sounds and warmth and love. These have a confidence and swagger that I only wish I could exude.
@@leo_mas_922 OHHHHHHH Yeah. Had the Audeze EL-8 (was missing things I can’t remember), then Fostex TH900 (sibilance kills), Utopia (twice after blown driver), Empyrean (not as fast as I’d like & a weird mid-bass hump, but doable & COMFy), Shure KSE1200 (shouty even after EQ. & narrower soundstage than liked. Over-ears are best for me), Clear MG with Utopia pad with silver cable (Basically a Utopia with better bass, but, still can’t play at desired volume without risking driver), & now, after waiting & saving to end my search, Susvara! I’m, there! 😊
The Hifiman SUSVARA and ZMF CALDERA are on a equal level for HIGH-END PLANAR HEADPHONES, but each offers its unique "HOUSE SOUND". The CALDERA is a HYBRID-SOUND between planars and dynamic headphones, while the SUSVARA is a planar that sounds like an ELECTROSTATIC HEADPHONE. The CALDERA has a more WARM, BASSY, WEIGHTY and AGGRESSIVE sound, while the SUSVARA has a more LIGHT, HIGHLY RESOLVING, DETAILED and ETHERIC sound. The CALDERA works best for ROCK and EDM, while the SUSVARA works best for ACOUSTIC and ORCHESTRAL. Some prefer one over the other. Be WARNED that older SUSVARAS had some QUALITY issues, as DRIVER IMBALANCES and DRIVER FAILURES, but the new SUSVARAS may have those QUALITY issues solved. Bad recordings sound bad on HIGH RESOLUTION HEADPHONES (not FORGIVING)!!! Some audiophiles get "BURNED OUT" on HIGH RESOLUTION HEADPHONES after awhile. TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING!!! The new HIFIMAN HE-1000se (STEALTH EDITION ) is a "BABY SUSVARA" and can be played on a CELLPHONE, and costs only $3500!!! To make a SUSVARA to reach its MAXIMUM SONIC potential, you'll need a $6000 or higher priced HEADPHONE AMP (ENLEUM HPA-23R amp ($6000), Zahl HM-1 REFERENCE ($8000), ampsandsound NAUTILUS ($9200), ETC.) connected to a very HIGH END audiophile system. Using the SUSVARA on lesser audiophile systems, will just reveal how CRAPPY your sound system may be, unless you're lucky. BEST TOTAL HEADPHONE MODELS (for the $3500 level): The HIFIMAN HE-1000se and ZMF CALDERA models are BOTH EXCELLENT CHOICES for most AUDIOPHILES NEEDS!!! I could be happy with either HEADPHONE.
The installed headband is a new stock replacement from hifiman. The horrible floppy one in the bag used to be as nice as the installed one. Overall I think Z is spot on with the build quality assessment.
Hifiman planars are amazing. I wasted so much time and money over the years when I should have just saved up for what I have now which is an he1000v2 with a topping a90/d90 stack. The difference is transcendental compared all of my previous phones. If you can't afford the susvara just get what I have. $3500 for the whole dac/amp/phones setup which is just within the realm of affordability of employed mortals that care enough about sound to reach higher if you save up for awhile.
The Topping A90 can drive the HE000v2 fully? I have the A90 and I am thinking of getting the Susvara after a friend brought his to my place to let me test it. We use Roon via LAN to the Gustard R26 connected to the iFi Pro iCAN Signature which is juuuusssst adequate which means I need another amp for the susvara
@@BillyKueekSGit sounds good to me but it's possible they would sound better with a higher end amp. i can't afford to try unfortunately. I do use high gain.
Oooooh damn! This is the first review where when you pass the headphone close to the camera mic, it sounds like you opened the door in a concert hall!😬
That squeaking when rotating the cups can be fixed with a light amount of Vaseline. I tried it on some Aryas that were having that issue and left it on for 24 hours and it worked like a charm. With that said, you definitely should not have to put anything on headphones that retail for $6000. They just need to have better build quality/QC at that price.
These and the focal utopia are most of what I can see myself ever using. The utopias are tuned better, imo, but these just have magic. Maybe ill get an he1 or an aperio at some point. But I adore my pair.
the highest high end i ever got to date is the hifiman sundara with an fiio k5 pro ess. i freaking love them and get super loud. it blows me away. and explotions in games actually scare me sometimes :D
I listened to those before I bought edition XS's and thought "If I were to break a bank or win a lotery I would buy 10 Susvara's to listen to them even on a toilet." I loved those and the God radiators that are Stax sr700mk 2's. Ugly ducklings, but most beautifull things I have ever had upon my ears.
Seems like you experienced what I had which forced me to buy these. They just had a different level of clarity and immersion. Kind of like augmented reality for sound. The openness had sounds floating in the air. Was weird. For 6K you shouldn't have to do this but, yes I tried graphite - no bueno. In the end, a little petroleum jelly fixed it. I did disassemble the swivel mechanism and it was kind a of pain in the ass.
2-year Susvara owner... Zeos is NOT wrong. For DECADES I chased better headphones... Got "Close" with Heddphone, and thought I was done. Had a set obtained for an insane discount, and pulled the trigger. Haven't bought another pair of headphones since. Chased AMPS for a while, but finally settled on a Burson Soloist GT, and a rebuilt/re-capped HK870 to switch things up. Yes, Topping A90 was powerful enough but made them sound "flat", defeating most of the benefit of the Susvara's staging prowess. THX 789 & SMSL SP200 just sounded poor (but LOUD). The only other headphones I still swap-in now and then are HE-6, Heddphone, & Sennheiser HD-650 for different moods/specific genres. Oh, and for STUPID bass every blue moon - highly EQ'd & modded JVC HA-SZ2000 headphones. Anything else is just "boring", including the admittedly excellent Warwick Bravura Headphones. My headphone search has been dead for the past couple of years, and I see NO reason to jump into it again.
I currently own the HE1000 SE and am thinking about upgrading to Susvara. You feel the Burson Soloist GT amps Susvara properly to truly enjoy what they are capable of? I have a Conductor GT and just upgraded it with the latest V7 Pro Vivid opamps. What a revelation they are compared to the V6! Sounds like a new amp and it made my HE1000 SE go to another level of detail, bass quality and overall musicality. That's what got thinking about upgrading to Susvara.
@@ClintAvila Slippery-slope... Everyone will probably give a different response, but for ME, I'm happy with the Soloist GT. Others will label me a troglodyte for not chasing $20K amps to do my Susvaras "justice", but I'm quite happy as-is.
@@knorrissirronk8665 Appreciate your input. BTW, if you want an easy relatively inexpensive upgrade you have to try the new Burson V7 Pro Vivid opamps. It's not a small improvement. It's huge. Makes it sound like a completely new amp. Even my headphones sound totally different. Like I didn't think it could get that much better. I got emotional listening to music I've heard hundreds of times. I've already reached out to Hifiman and will be trading up to Susvara. I love my HE1000SE so much but I can't wait to hear the next level with Susvara. 😃
To me there is no need to even get the Susvara’s! My opinion the HE 1000 v3 stealth is around 85 percent of what the Susvara offers and way easier to drive. To me those are as close as end game that you can get.
I had a squeaky left yoke but after like 2 weeks it disappeared without me having to lube them. The newer susvaras are 3.5mm for the connection to the cups
They aren't bad at all, I still prefer the Verite on tubes, or Atriums or Rad 0 on solid state tho. I have another fancy cable coming for them that may improve things. I will say they are very clear, but imo they lack personality. Edit. I went back and listened to them on my Enleum 23r amp. Forget everything I said above. They are fantastic. Only thing that matches or exceeds them is Caldera. Tubes do sound good with planar, but you have to go ultra high end like Woo Audio wa33 or above. Also, Zeos running susvara off Amazon equipment 😂😂
The SUSVARA headphones appeal to the HEAD (INTELLECT), while ZMF headphones (CALDERAS, VERITES, ATRIUM, ETC.) appeal to the HEART (EMOTIONS / SOUL). It's a RIGHT BRAIN (EMOTIONAL) vs. LEFT BRAIN (ANALYTICAL) thing.
For me, I like the sound of tubes and the power of the Nautilus transformers are undeniable. It has more presence for me. I've heard the Sus on a lot of solid state amps, including the Zahl HM1. The HM1 is great, but even it doesn't have the weight the Nautilus can bring. At least in my opinion.
@@rogerhuston8287 I like tubes also.. have a custom Woo... I don't understand the pricing as the tubes themselves are what create the sound sig... a tube amp is a box with wires and tube sockets... $9K for a tube amp with a tin box chassis is crazy
Im ugly AF.. Or I just want you to focus on teh thing and not me. The thing is important. I am just the dude holding the thing. Also I never have to shave or dress up.
I've been contemplating on endgame. Currently have Arya's and Bathys. Something tells me the SUS will be my endgame. Now I just need the proper tools to power this. Oh, and the actual headphones too lmao.
I tried the HE1 sens in Sydney Aus with some top flight SACD player in Sennheisers private room. I had to book it in advance. Couple of days later I tried the Susvara with Moon audio amp at Addicted 2 Audio in Sydney. The Susvaras had crossed the Rubicon and were snapping at the heels of the Sens. All other headphones owned and tried were over on the other side of the river bank.
@@flame.8308 hmm... that's not what he said in his A90D review that I recall, *(just rewatched the A90D review), and he clearly says the A90D beats the LA90.... so.... Maybe it's because the LA90 is a speaker amp and not a headphone amp?> My thought after thinking about it and re-watching the reviews in question, maybe as a reviewer he wanted the insane power of a speaker amp on-tap instead.
If you want to see if bs plug the headphones into a common source like a macbook or something. I think that impression would really help those that don't have a dac/amp combo
@koifla I'm not disagreeing with @sierre00 as much as feeling that both serve different purposes. Are my Susvaras "better" overall? Yes. But there are times when my HE6se just "fits the bill" for reasonably close detail & staging, but greater slam and excitement. Think; being in the mood for Pink Floyd, then wanting to listen to Wintersun... Yeah, it's like that. Both are valid depending on your mood. Both driven off Soloist GT or speaker amps, so power/voltage swings (NOT the same as "Gain headroom"!) is never a problem with either. I didn't think much of either can driven off my A90, SP200, or LCX - though all got "loud" with both. Even my iFi iCAN is just "OK", but not bringing-out more than I was hoping. I finally had an old HK-870 rebuilt, and THAT was the first time that I "got" why I had spent that kind of money. (Yes, I've gotten better/tighter/more resolving amps since - But running off the speaker taps of that HK-870 was the first time I went, "Wow!" with either headphone.)
You got to love .. How damn funny it is for that squeaking! 😂 I would need a black friday super duper special because the headphones are only part of the equation. To make it worthwhile, you would probably have to throw another $5,000 at a DAC and Amp.
Watching this again, I wonder if Zeos has bought the newer version? It’s dual 3.5mm instead of the 2.5mm ones you used for this review. Also, no squeaking sound and cables with fabric sleeves. Was pleasantly surprised when I first saw it on unboxing. I rolled the cable with my index finger and thumb and it felt like they just put these fabric sleeves on the original rubbery tubings. And, HFM after-sales service sucks here in Asia. Shame on Mr. Convenient😂
The bass description definitely sounds like HE1K V1 that I heard back in the day, very 3D. But now I've got a TOTL system and I need these headphones, yolo...
And STAX is like hearing without ears, this is the best description I can think of. The sound doesn't have a bite, a grain, it doesn't have weight, it doesn't feel like anything touches your eardrums, but you hear the sound.. it's weird. Very weightless sound. Basically the sound goes straight to your brain, sometimes the sound is so fast, your brain it's slower to interpret what you just heard, it's weird, it happens on some songs. It gives some wow moments, moments I get also on DT1990 pro but not on same tracks. And the best bass I heard was on my SR-L700 with EQ... not even my blon bl-03 with 10db bass boost doesn't create the same bass impact and dynamics. I switched from STAX to BL-03 and I was like, this is so bloated and muddy and bloated and .. where is the bass? People said STAX doesn't have bass... they do take EQ very well in my experience. STAX is the reason I lost 3db of hearing on my left ear. Because the sound is SO CLEAN and the dynamics are out of this world, you CANNOT tell when too much is too f****ing much. And I increased volume, I get mindblown.. boom next day, hearing damage. So be careful, better is not always.. better. Now I need to +3db on left ear to hear eqully.
STAX is the type of headphone where you don't get any compression artifacts when pushed hard, I push the volume and I get more and more and more and I don't hear any constraints at all, your ears is the limit, not the driver's limit. You can push it hard and you can find your ears limit, not the limit of the drivers. It's like putting two 5 inch speakers next to your ears and blast them hard .. you will get instant tinnitus, this is STAX, is like mini-speakers tied to your head. And the cleanest type of sound, without the typical dynamic driver hardness that tingle your eardrums at high volumes.
This reminds of a dude I knew who put 30,000 into his car stereo in the 90s. When you sat in it your could tell the sound was so clean you could keep cranking the volume and you wouldn't notice that it was too loud.
I'm sorry about your hearing loss - that really sucks, but I also totally understand the trap. If you're able to, you may also want to check out the Bravura. I like it better than any of the Stax setups I've heard.
EXACTLY, with STAX it really becomes a matter of hear limitation. You end up reaching concert volume levels without noticing because the output remains so clean. The morality of that lesson is : Use your ENDGAME gear with caution.There is a point when the human biology becomes the bottleneck because Sound is the most powerful force in the universe.
Drinkin the koolaid Z, I heard these on a 50K stack, that sat upon a 100K table (yeah really) they sounded sweet, mid range and high range was the focus... after several minutes I was told by the manager it was DSP corrected, I then asked them to turn it off. Imagine how pissed off I was, to be listening with a colored signal :( they were great, but not worth it over Arya, I auditioned them at the same time and also many others. I am not convinced that Hifiman sound changes that much with price... but the Susvara are so pretty and they feel like luxury, which surprised me more than the sound.
i get the spooky. Years ago i had some Hd598's and played Dying light and hearing creaky floorboards in game was like it was in my room, freaked me out a bit. Can only imagine what these are like in a horror game.
I’m listening to this video on Susvara. What I want most is thicker than stock pads, the bass changes when pulling away from ears slightly and I’m curious if that sound would be retained. When holding them just right, wow, great and different.
Update: after careful examination, I had the left and right reversed. The pads are thicker in the back and sound better when worn correctly. I’m still going to try thicker pads. 😅
Enjoyable video... much like watching a Lamborghini video...!!! Sure, I'd love to own a super-expensive Lamborghini, but would probably take that money and buy a beautiful home complete with property instead, then take the leftover money to purchase a snazzy BMW Z4 or something... You might as well say it's a $12,000 dollar headphone, as it sounds like you'll need to throw out another $6,000 dollars just to power the suckers properly...!!! As a creepy, old 70-year old music lover, my current hearing capabilities don't justify that kind of outlay, due to that old law of 'diminishing returns', not to mention my wife would have my ass when the $6000 dollar credit card bill showed up...!!! My Hifiman Sundara will just have to fill that void... Woe Is Me...!!!
Susvara didn't work for me. It was thin here and there and it was way to sharp and bright at times. I've had tried them on a $7k solid state amp and then on a $16k tube amp in the shop... just didn't work... Stayed with the Meze Elites.
They have a $300 Gain upgrade so you can push a bit farther.. I wouldn't have done that if I was planning on doing headphones on it.. BUT for hard to drive speakers it helps get the maximum.
I'm of that camp, having owned Sus a while and run it on multiple chains. What the stupidly expensive amps deliver is better bass control and more overall energy. Topping A90 will drive Sus to adequate volume with enough control to demonstrate that there is clearly something special going on. But beefier amps will push the envelope further, delivering music that is simultaneously punchier / more dynamic and more effortlessly clean and open. The formula for greatness is to reduce all sources of error and bottlenecks in the playback chain, which gets harder and more expensive the higher you climb the price + performance ladder. Meanwhile, the improvements become ever more minute / incremental. With May and HM-1 there's a sense of crossing an uncanny valley where audio playback is inching frighteningly close to live performance. This comes across in things like the clarity of room reflections from recording environments, dynamics of things like horns that can go from silent to piercing in an instant, etc. These types of improvements are simultaneously objectively minute and subjectively stunning.
the best thing is to never take the cables out of that box and leave them with the bread tie wrap in place... you don't have to spend a ton on a new cable...
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i seen a bag of cocaine in that book
@@Dan.a.k.a.bradpitt thats not coke... thats magic ferry powder
It's a decent starter headphone for people just getting into the hobby. You don't even need a special amp, just plug it into your phone.
I think you jest, sir!😂😂
A starter headphone? This is a finisher headphone. A headphone for Gods! The golden god!
lol 👍
@@clemsiemckenzie9799 the Golden god only drives a vintage green land rover
3:00 you don't get it, Zeos, it's a special edition Hifiman Catheter cable, it's from their forthcoming Urethra series
i'm dead xD
Love it 😂
rofl
You made me spit-take. Thanks for making sure my walls get cleaned every once in a while
Nah, it's to wrap around the top of your bicep and hold in your teeth before you hit play. ;-)
I would never buy these headphones for $6000. But then someone listed these brand new for $3600 and I had to get them. No regrets
brand new for 3600 xD it must have been stolen or something nobody would sell them that low
@@soulfulfool Hifiman themselves sells brand new ones as part of an upgrade program for $2500. So technically you could get them for a total of 3700 if you paid 1200 for the Arya Organics.
B stock definitely, probably some small blemish or a rebox or something. I got a B stock Audeze LCD -4 years ago for $2700 not the 5.7k AUD they were retail.
B stock Audeze Isine 20 for $150
B stock Focal Elegia for $300 not $1400
That's all the b stock stuff I've bought
@@soulfulfool
The 2.5 mm model is an older one. Bought mine three weeks ago and came with 3.5 mm in ear cup jacks (maybe a stealth revision?). Also there is no squeaky sound. My iFi Pro iCan Signature drives it like a charm with plenty of spare power. Good job Z!
Thanks for the update.. Although I fear the SQUEEK will find you eventually
The new revision doesn't have anything to do with stealth magnets. The susvara was the original headphone with the stealth magnets when it first released.
@@bonanzabrandon6877 I know Susvara was the first stealth magnets implementation. I wanted to say a "stealth" revision as an unannounced, "silent" modification vs OG, 2.5 mm vs 3.5 mm jacks in new model.
@@ZReviewsGreat review! The new model squeeks less, but yeah there is some squeek and I guess the pads are also better, because these are much softer than Arya's.
@@citizenx1602do the Ican Pro Sig still run them like a charm? I was going to switch to Ferrum Oor Hypsos for the Sus but how is the Xbass on the sus?
🐅❤️🐅 thank you for the shout out
You are not kidding, I’ve been putting it off for quite awhile LOL and I think they have been tested more than any other audio equipment in the last 18 months
Final tally,
Mono block benchmark, AHB2 serene kte May kte
I think we’re nearly finally ready, excellent vid
I really like it on the WA23, if you're able to check it out with that. I also quite like it on the Ferrum stack.
@@eruilluvitar it was already thoroughly tested on the OOR,
Cayin ha300 mk ii with Elrogs tubes and Ha6a when it comes to tube amplifiers, I hope by the time the re-review is completed one of those lands on the desk too, I’m waiting to hear back from Zach in regards to the naut
@@ConvinceMeAudio Nice! I'm excited to see your review on it!
@@ConvinceMeAudio was your ha 6a able to drive the susvara well?
@@steffanlian it does a nice job, if you don’t expect God tear
Highly engaging immersive and seductive when it comes to lyrical songs obviously all the tubes are upgraded, the biggest difference I found in impact which was the most strangest thing was the rectifiers, these are not supposed to make such a difference.
Svetlanka winged c el34 though to be fair, I prefer Katie 88
Telafunken it does a good job, nothing like the H a 300 MKII on the desk right now with Elrogs but just the tubes alone cost a third of the H86A to be fair
I had quite a similar experience, where i did not understand how these could sound like this and how music I know for years, suddenly sounds So much better and different. Only pair of headphones ever, that gave me actual goosebumps while listening.
I am pretty sure, that i will never spend this kind of money on headphones, but they are amazing.
I wonder how much of the knowledge that these are $6k and TOTL triggers placebo
@@NFStopsnuf as a doubting danny I can say maybe 20% Placebo.
@@NFStopsnuf Not a lot, i would reckon. There might be some part of it, but you know how often things, that are more expensive are also...hum..actually better?
Doesnt mean you can't use the stuff you either can or want to afford AND enjoy it, but there are areas where i have to admit, that expensive things, even over prized, are objectively better.
Whether it is worth the asked price ( aka value) is a different question, though and it never helps to mix things together, that should be discussed seperately . In this case A. Sound Quality B. Value for the given price.
The fact that value goes down - specially with audio products - the higher the price tags are, is really nothing new.
In the end, it would lead to a discussion about capitalism and the so called "free market" and how we seem to have lost a reasonable way of handling things, so i kinda agree with your - assumed - motivation, but not the statement.
Also, listened to the H1 and the Shangi-la too - no goose bumps :P
@@NFStopsnuf I like how you can't stomach the fact that a headphone that costs the most, might just be the best. Grow up
@En Joshi-Godrez Tried Arya's a few weeks ago, and they were so above my Edition XS's that it was undoubtable.
From what I had read prior to experiencing the headphones myself was mostly that the difference is small and waste of money. Obviously that is so far from reality.
Waited years for this. As soon as I FINally pull the trigger, (1) I seen the preview that this video was coming & (2) then the Caldera is higher praised as the best planar, now. 😆
Screw it. I’m out the game & just enjoying what magic the Susvara brings. 😊
Exact description of their sound. Multi-layers of beautifully presented sound. That makes you say, it makes no sense how weirdly spectacular it is! EVERYthing of every genre I’ve tested is 😮.
So you confirm it’s THAT good?
I wouldn't call the caldera better than this. It's a very, very different headphone. The caldera has that zmf sounds and warmth and love. These have a confidence and swagger that I only wish I could exude.
@@leo_mas_922 OHHHHHHH Yeah.
Had the Audeze EL-8 (was missing things I can’t remember), then Fostex TH900 (sibilance kills), Utopia (twice after blown driver), Empyrean (not as fast as I’d like & a weird mid-bass hump, but doable & COMFy), Shure KSE1200 (shouty even after EQ. & narrower soundstage than liked. Over-ears are best for me), Clear MG with Utopia pad with silver cable (Basically a Utopia with better bass, but, still can’t play at desired volume without risking driver), & now, after waiting & saving to end my search, Susvara!
I’m, there! 😊
@@eruilluvitar I appreciate that reply.
Had slight buyer’s remorse (slight), but MAN the Susvara is spot on for what all these years of search to be.
The Hifiman SUSVARA and ZMF CALDERA are on a equal level for HIGH-END PLANAR HEADPHONES, but each offers its unique "HOUSE SOUND". The CALDERA is a HYBRID-SOUND between planars and dynamic headphones, while the SUSVARA is a planar that sounds like an ELECTROSTATIC HEADPHONE. The CALDERA has a more WARM, BASSY, WEIGHTY and AGGRESSIVE sound, while the SUSVARA has a more LIGHT, HIGHLY RESOLVING, DETAILED and ETHERIC sound. The CALDERA works best for ROCK and EDM, while the SUSVARA works best for ACOUSTIC and ORCHESTRAL. Some prefer one over the other. Be WARNED that older SUSVARAS had some QUALITY issues, as DRIVER IMBALANCES and DRIVER FAILURES, but the new SUSVARAS may have those QUALITY issues solved. Bad recordings sound bad on HIGH RESOLUTION HEADPHONES (not FORGIVING)!!! Some audiophiles get "BURNED OUT" on HIGH RESOLUTION HEADPHONES after awhile. TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING!!! The new HIFIMAN HE-1000se (STEALTH EDITION ) is a "BABY SUSVARA" and can be played on a CELLPHONE, and costs only $3500!!! To make a SUSVARA to reach its MAXIMUM SONIC potential, you'll need a $6000 or higher priced HEADPHONE AMP (ENLEUM HPA-23R amp ($6000), Zahl HM-1 REFERENCE ($8000), ampsandsound NAUTILUS ($9200), ETC.) connected to a very HIGH END audiophile system. Using the SUSVARA on lesser audiophile systems, will just reveal how CRAPPY your sound system may be, unless you're lucky. BEST TOTAL HEADPHONE MODELS (for the $3500 level): The HIFIMAN HE-1000se and ZMF CALDERA models are BOTH EXCELLENT CHOICES for most AUDIOPHILES NEEDS!!! I could be happy with either HEADPHONE.
The current used prices for these are around $3.5-4K. Sometimes lower. Also talk to dealers about pricing. Don’t pay $6k.
Used without warranty
@@Tallnerdyguy not necessarily
Buy it new. Support the brand
@@rhodey2952 non transferrable warranty
It’s Around 4k open box on hifiman main site
The installed headband is a new stock replacement from hifiman. The horrible floppy one in the bag used to be as nice as the installed one. Overall I think Z is spot on with the build quality assessment.
Agreed. I'm not super happy with the build quality of it, but it does sound damn good.
"susvara" is a sanskrit word which means something like "good words/chants/rhythm" and its actually pronounced as 'su-svara'. So is deva, ananda etc.
Hifiman planars are amazing. I wasted so much time and money over the years when I should have just saved up for what I have now which is an he1000v2 with a topping a90/d90 stack. The difference is transcendental compared all of my previous phones. If you can't afford the susvara just get what I have. $3500 for the whole dac/amp/phones setup which is just within the realm of affordability of employed mortals that care enough about sound to reach higher if you save up for awhile.
The Topping A90 can drive the HE000v2 fully? I have the A90 and I am thinking of getting the Susvara after a friend brought his to my place to let me test it. We use Roon via LAN to the Gustard R26 connected to the iFi Pro iCAN Signature which is juuuusssst adequate which means I need another amp for the susvara
@@BillyKueekSGit sounds good to me but it's possible they would sound better with a higher end amp. i can't afford to try unfortunately. I do use high gain.
@@idunnomang thank you for responding. I’m not sure if the HE1000v2 is easier or harder to drive compared to the susvara
susvara is WAY harder to drive. @@BillyKueekSG
Oooooh damn! This is the first review where when you pass the headphone close to the camera mic, it sounds like you opened the door in a concert hall!😬
Yeah its doing weird things with the air.
That squeaking when rotating the cups can be fixed with a light amount of Vaseline. I tried it on some Aryas that were having that issue and left it on for 24 hours and it worked like a charm. With that said, you definitely should not have to put anything on headphones that retail for $6000. They just need to have better build quality/QC at that price.
I prefer peanut butter
Silicone spray works better
The perfect answer to that annoying squeak. For $6000 one shouldn't have to do anything to those headphones to get total satisfaction. from them.
These and the focal utopia are most of what I can see myself ever using. The utopias are tuned better, imo, but these just have magic. Maybe ill get an he1 or an aperio at some point. But I adore my pair.
These would make such great gym headphones fr
the highest high end i ever got to date is the hifiman sundara with an fiio k5 pro ess. i freaking love them and get super loud. it blows me away. and explotions in games actually scare me sometimes :D
You should try the Arya Stealth = mind really blown......
@@Ezees23 If they wherent that expensive
ohh my gawd.
@@ariathyf144 wut?
I hope Ryan's (Mod House Audio) new Planar he's designing does amazingly well too! I'm really looking forward to that.
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I listened to those before I bought edition XS's and thought "If I were to break a bank or win a lotery I would buy 10 Susvara's to listen to them even on a toilet." I loved those and the God radiators that are Stax sr700mk 2's. Ugly ducklings, but most beautifull things I have ever had upon my ears.
decent beginners set
Seems like you experienced what I had which forced me to buy these. They just had a different level of clarity and immersion. Kind of like augmented reality for sound. The openness had sounds floating in the air. Was weird. For 6K you shouldn't have to do this but, yes I tried graphite - no bueno. In the end, a little petroleum jelly fixed it. I did disassemble the swivel mechanism and it was kind a of pain in the ass.
That squeaky sound 6:30 reminds me of Wimp-Lo from Kung Pow w/ the squeaky shoes.
2-year Susvara owner... Zeos is NOT wrong. For DECADES I chased better headphones... Got "Close" with Heddphone, and thought I was done. Had a set obtained for an insane discount, and pulled the trigger. Haven't bought another pair of headphones since. Chased AMPS for a while, but finally settled on a Burson Soloist GT, and a rebuilt/re-capped HK870 to switch things up. Yes, Topping A90 was powerful enough but made them sound "flat", defeating most of the benefit of the Susvara's staging prowess. THX 789 & SMSL SP200 just sounded poor (but LOUD). The only other headphones I still swap-in now and then are HE-6, Heddphone, & Sennheiser HD-650 for different moods/specific genres. Oh, and for STUPID bass every blue moon - highly EQ'd & modded JVC HA-SZ2000 headphones. Anything else is just "boring", including the admittedly excellent Warwick Bravura Headphones. My headphone search has been dead for the past couple of years, and I see NO reason to jump into it again.
I currently own the HE1000 SE and am thinking about upgrading to Susvara. You feel the Burson Soloist GT amps Susvara properly to truly enjoy what they are capable of? I have a Conductor GT and just upgraded it with the latest V7 Pro Vivid opamps. What a revelation they are compared to the V6! Sounds like a new amp and it made my HE1000 SE go to another level of detail, bass quality and overall musicality. That's what got thinking about upgrading to Susvara.
@@ClintAvila Slippery-slope... Everyone will probably give a different response, but for ME, I'm happy with the Soloist GT. Others will label me a troglodyte for not chasing $20K amps to do my Susvaras "justice", but I'm quite happy as-is.
@@knorrissirronk8665 Appreciate your input. BTW, if you want an easy relatively inexpensive upgrade you have to try the new Burson V7 Pro Vivid opamps. It's not a small improvement. It's huge. Makes it sound like a completely new amp. Even my headphones sound totally different. Like I didn't think it could get that much better. I got emotional listening to music I've heard hundreds of times. I've already reached out to Hifiman and will be trading up to Susvara. I love my HE1000SE so much but I can't wait to hear the next level with Susvara. 😃
So I worked at hifiman for the development of the susvara and I can confirm zeos is right on everything in this video
what a coincidence me too
@@juneguts same here!
Are you Trainwreck's brother?
Tell your boss to Fix Quality Control On Hifiman's ASAP
Same, my son works for them, too. Unfortunately he hasn't been born yet, but you get the point.
STAX SR-X9000 is also on par to Susvara! Also Susvara are available at Mimic Audio!
I searched and only found the pads.
Susvara have been out for a while. The last two stax flagship have run with the sus np.
To me there is no need to even get the Susvara’s! My opinion the HE 1000 v3 stealth is around 85 percent of what the Susvara offers and way easier to drive. To me those are as close as end game that you can get.
I had a squeaky left yoke but after like 2 weeks it disappeared without me having to lube them. The newer susvaras are 3.5mm for the connection to the cups
You had me at “these are the best headphones”.
If I knew they would 10 years I’d buy a pair tomorrow!
They aren't bad at all, I still prefer the Verite on tubes, or Atriums or Rad 0 on solid state tho. I have another fancy cable coming for them that may improve things. I will say they are very clear, but imo they lack personality.
Edit. I went back and listened to them on my Enleum 23r amp. Forget everything I said above. They are fantastic.
Only thing that matches or exceeds them is Caldera.
Tubes do sound good with planar, but you have to go ultra high end like Woo Audio wa33 or above.
Also, Zeos running susvara off Amazon equipment 😂😂
The SUSVARA headphones appeal to the HEAD (INTELLECT), while ZMF headphones (CALDERAS, VERITES, ATRIUM, ETC.) appeal to the HEART (EMOTIONS / SOUL). It's a RIGHT BRAIN (EMOTIONAL) vs. LEFT BRAIN (ANALYTICAL) thing.
@@indigocrystalknight8864 This dude probably reads, and believes, their daily horoscope
@@indigocrystalknight8864 Verite is not even close to the Sus
@@indigocrystalknight8864 depends on what's powering the Susvara.
@@hemispherecompensationhave you heard the Verite on an endgame tube amp?
Can’t wait until you test the ZMF Caldera and compare them
Unfortunately, Zoes doesn't have a chain that can bring out the best in the Susvara, too bad he didn't have the ampsandsound Nautilus anymore.
I think he has the AHB2 (or whatever) Benchmark amp.
personally I like the Burson Conductor 3X GT with Sparkos opt amps...
@@dixter1652 underrated, crazy resolution
For me, I like the sound of tubes and the power of the Nautilus transformers are undeniable. It has more presence for me. I've heard the Sus on a lot of solid state amps, including the Zahl HM1. The HM1 is great, but even it doesn't have the weight the Nautilus can bring. At least in my opinion.
@@rogerhuston8287 I like tubes also.. have a custom Woo... I don't understand the pricing as the tubes themselves are what create the sound sig... a tube amp is a box with wires and tube sockets... $9K for a tube amp with a tin box chassis is crazy
Best compliment I can give - No BS reviews - solid Truth.
Heh. Zeos talks about Lubing things up! 5:35
Love it!
I hope to see a comparison with Stax SR-X9000 which is actually $6200
heard them at canjam london... I found them pretty meh - comparatively...
Btw, thanks for the info 👍 great channel. I just got a headphone Amp thanks to your information
Don't forget about Yamaha's new flagship planars coming out this month. 🤤
12:15 Yo that's gotta be where Seeaudio got the idea for rinko lmao.
Your studio is like a robber's dream come true.
totally
I prefer putting my $6K in my traditional IRA. I already did it. It’s hard for me to spend $6K on one set of headphones.
6:33 squeaky bois sound like cricket noises
I was sort of waiting for a " $30,000 (enter piece of equipment here) that DMS has" to power this reference.
Why are the only audio reviewer who shows the product instead of your face for 99% of the video?
Im ugly AF.. Or I just want you to focus on teh thing and not me. The thing is important. I am just the dude holding the thing. Also I never have to shave or dress up.
I've been contemplating on endgame. Currently have Arya's and Bathys. Something tells me the SUS will be my endgame. Now I just need the proper tools to power this. Oh, and the actual headphones too lmao.
I tried the HE1 sens in Sydney Aus with some top flight SACD player in Sennheisers private room. I had to book it in advance. Couple of days later I tried the Susvara with Moon audio amp at Addicted 2 Audio in Sydney. The Susvaras had crossed the Rubicon and were snapping at the heels of the Sens. All other headphones owned and tried were over on the other side of the river bank.
You must listen to Warwick Acoustics Aperio if you get the chance. Its the best thing I have ever heard. Much better than HE1, X9000 or Susvara.
@@eat_ze_bugs the price is incredible too!
Is this headphone 6000 Yen?
the cable grows on you! stereo amp is critical
Mildly surprised you didn't pull out the Topping A90D to test with these headphones.
he says he likes the la90 more than a90d
@@flame.8308 hmm... that's not what he said in his A90D review that I recall, *(just rewatched the A90D review), and he clearly says the A90D beats the LA90.... so.... Maybe it's because the LA90 is a speaker amp and not a headphone amp?> My thought after thinking about it and re-watching the reviews in question, maybe as a reviewer he wanted the insane power of a speaker amp on-tap instead.
@@zenstrata a90 is dry as fuck and struggles I’ve had it and suavara which I still own , even as a preamp it just is meh on it
Don't drive it on a cheap drive train.
Would like to see you review the ZMF Caldera and the new Yamaha YH-5000SE to compare them to this
I actually have the D8000 and 8000 LE here. And I like the LE more than this.. BUT its not beating it .. Just prefer it.
@@ZReviews O that's awesome I've been wanting to see you review both of those as well can't wait for the review 🙏
I don't know why I'm watching what I can't afford but this looks amazing as described. I only have the Edition XS.
I'm planning to get them with Fiio k7 Pro how do they Sound to you?
If you want to see if bs plug the headphones into a common source like a macbook or something. I think that impression would really help those that don't have a dac/amp combo
The other headphone that arguably competes with the Sus, speaking as someone who owns both, is the ZMF Caldera.
How would it compare to HE6se?
I have read the HE6se sounds similar. Baby Susvara? I think it fits some of your description of the Susvara.
He6se is rough, v2 is less rough but lost the structure. Susvara on the other hand is resolving and refined.
@koifla I'm not disagreeing with @sierre00 as much as feeling that both serve different purposes. Are my Susvaras "better" overall? Yes. But there are times when my HE6se just "fits the bill" for reasonably close detail & staging, but greater slam and excitement. Think; being in the mood for Pink Floyd, then wanting to listen to Wintersun... Yeah, it's like that. Both are valid depending on your mood. Both driven off Soloist GT or speaker amps, so power/voltage swings (NOT the same as "Gain headroom"!) is never a problem with either. I didn't think much of either can driven off my A90, SP200, or LCX - though all got "loud" with both. Even my iFi iCAN is just "OK", but not bringing-out more than I was hoping. I finally had an old HK-870 rebuilt, and THAT was the first time that I "got" why I had spent that kind of money. (Yes, I've gotten better/tighter/more resolving amps since - But running off the speaker taps of that HK-870 was the first time I went, "Wow!" with either headphone.)
You got to love .. How damn funny it is for that squeaking! 😂 I would need a black friday super duper special because the headphones are only part of the equation. To make it worthwhile, you would probably have to throw another $5,000 at a DAC and Amp.
"my cats just h*rny i think" - Zeos 2023
Thanks Much !
It's about time...
probably a little better than my Sony Z1R setup
Watching this again, I wonder if Zeos has bought the newer version? It’s dual 3.5mm instead of the 2.5mm ones you used for this review. Also, no squeaking sound and cables with fabric sleeves. Was pleasantly surprised when I first saw it on unboxing. I rolled the cable with my index finger and thumb and it felt like they just put these fabric sleeves on the original rubbery tubings. And, HFM after-sales service sucks here in Asia. Shame on Mr. Convenient😂
The bass description definitely sounds like HE1K V1 that I heard back in the day, very 3D. But now I've got a TOTL system and I need these headphones, yolo...
And STAX is like hearing without ears, this is the best description I can think of. The sound doesn't have a bite, a grain, it doesn't have weight, it doesn't feel like anything touches your eardrums, but you hear the sound.. it's weird. Very weightless sound. Basically the sound goes straight to your brain, sometimes the sound is so fast, your brain it's slower to interpret what you just heard, it's weird, it happens on some songs. It gives some wow moments, moments I get also on DT1990 pro but not on same tracks. And the best bass I heard was on my SR-L700 with EQ... not even my blon bl-03 with 10db bass boost doesn't create the same bass impact and dynamics. I switched from STAX to BL-03 and I was like, this is so bloated and muddy and bloated and .. where is the bass? People said STAX doesn't have bass... they do take EQ very well in my experience. STAX is the reason I lost 3db of hearing on my left ear. Because the sound is SO CLEAN and the dynamics are out of this world, you CANNOT tell when too much is too f****ing much. And I increased volume, I get mindblown.. boom next day, hearing damage. So be careful, better is not always.. better. Now I need to +3db on left ear to hear eqully.
STAX is the type of headphone where you don't get any compression artifacts when pushed hard, I push the volume and I get more and more and more and I don't hear any constraints at all, your ears is the limit, not the driver's limit. You can push it hard and you can find your ears limit, not the limit of the drivers. It's like putting two 5 inch speakers next to your ears and blast them hard .. you will get instant tinnitus, this is STAX, is like mini-speakers tied to your head. And the cleanest type of sound, without the typical dynamic driver hardness that tingle your eardrums at high volumes.
@@doicenti9033 I think you need to think faster 👍
This reminds of a dude I knew who put 30,000 into his car stereo in the 90s. When you sat in it your could tell the sound was so clean you could keep cranking the volume and you wouldn't notice that it was too loud.
I'm sorry about your hearing loss - that really sucks, but I also totally understand the trap. If you're able to, you may also want to check out the Bravura. I like it better than any of the Stax setups I've heard.
EXACTLY, with STAX it really becomes a matter of hear limitation. You end up reaching concert volume levels without noticing because the output remains so clean.
The morality of that lesson is : Use your ENDGAME gear with caution.There is a point when the human biology becomes the bottleneck because Sound is the most powerful force in the universe.
So how do these compare to the Stax 009? and which one gets closer to the HE-1?
You got the sussy bakas!
This mac n cheese is SO good.
I got updated Susvara brand new for much less than 6k.
Drinkin the koolaid Z, I heard these on a 50K stack, that sat upon a 100K table (yeah really) they sounded sweet, mid range and high range was the focus... after several minutes I was told by the manager it was DSP corrected, I then asked them to turn it off. Imagine how pissed off I was, to be listening with a colored signal :( they were great, but not worth it over Arya, I auditioned them at the same time and also many others. I am not convinced that Hifiman sound changes that much with price... but the Susvara are so pretty and they feel like luxury, which surprised me more than the sound.
The HE 1000 V3 stealth looks identical as the Susvara and is only 1300 dollars now! They where 3000 but the price dropped the last few months
i get the spooky. Years ago i had some Hd598's and played Dying light and hearing creaky floorboards in game was like it was in my room, freaked me out a bit. Can only imagine what these are like in a horror game.
I’m listening to this video on Susvara.
What I want most is thicker than stock pads, the bass changes when pulling away from ears slightly and I’m curious if that sound would be retained. When holding them just right, wow, great and different.
I just ordered some ZMF auteur hybrid pads.
How is classical music on them? Timbre in particular. If possible describe your experience producing/performing music
Update: after careful examination, I had the left and right reversed. The pads are thicker in the back and sound better when worn correctly. I’m still going to try thicker pads. 😅
Mine don’t squeak when adjusting.
@@mcbowler dekoni makes pads
The Susvaras are 3,5 mm, btw, already over a year or so, old model was indeed 2,5 mm
The Indian phonetic pronounciation is Sue+Swurah.
Su-Good
Sara-musical note
Zeos- looking at your cables makes me hate my shit.
I bite the mac and cheese. I always bite the mac and cheese. ALWAYS. I want to know what perfection means. 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
Better than the HE-1?
How many wattage to power these to unlock it's full potential?
I drive mine with a Bakoon AMP-13R
Best match for it I’ve heard. I use the near identical successor, the Enleum.
@@LSDScreen I bought my Bakoon used precisely one day before the Enleum was announced. I was a little disappointed but oh well.
@@aldphillip2003 IMHO the Bakoon has a nicer look and form factor.
@@aldphillip2003Do you like those? Is it THAT good?
🔥🔥🔥
oh I remember when Zeos said 'I want a car that got the smell of gasoline on it, maybe it's got an oil leak'. 😜
Enjoyable video... much like watching a Lamborghini video...!!! Sure, I'd love to own a super-expensive Lamborghini, but would probably take that money and buy a beautiful home complete with property instead, then take the leftover money to purchase a snazzy BMW Z4 or something... You might as well say it's a $12,000 dollar headphone, as it sounds like you'll need to throw out another $6,000 dollars just to power the suckers properly...!!! As a creepy, old 70-year old music lover, my current hearing capabilities don't justify that kind of outlay, due to that old law of 'diminishing returns', not to mention my wife would have my ass when the $6000 dollar credit card bill showed up...!!! My Hifiman Sundara will just have to fill that void... Woe Is Me...!!!
If you own the Mac and cheese, not being satisfied by lesser macs or cheeses isn’t a problem😂
How do they compare to the much "cheaper" Meze 109 pros?
came here just for this 10:50
i can't wait for you to review the Orpheus do that there are only diamonds in the title
Before you get rid of them make Dekoni send you the suite of Susvara pads. I bet they'd want you to make a video on that lol.
oh drake. that's the new cat? I haven't met him before. it's been a while
Zeos have you done the hifiman shangri la junior yet? It's their electrostatic headphone.
This paired to iFi Diablo?
CAN YOU DO A REVIEW OF THE PHILPHONES?
Susvara didn't work for me. It was thin here and there and it was way to sharp and bright at times. I've had tried them on a $7k solid state amp and then on a $16k tube amp in the shop... just didn't work... Stayed with the Meze Elites.
Bravura next!
KPH40s are better. No squeak.
Just buy the headphones if you love them that much!!
I would, but it would explain my depression.
5:52 You can try dry lube / graphite lube that they use on firea*m slides.
Link for good cables??? Plz 🙏
hey Zeos, care to explain what you did to the Starkrimsons for the Sus? You had their gain increased? Thanks
They have a $300 Gain upgrade so you can push a bit farther.. I wouldn't have done that if I was planning on doing headphones on it.. BUT for hard to drive speakers it helps get the maximum.
I see, thanks a bunch for clarifying that 👍
That half planar half electrostatic with a driver behind does sound very cool, but how would it work
Probably poorly. But I can dream.
@@ZReviews we all can dream that it sounds good
They only sound best on a HaloMay DAC and a really expensive amp 😆
lolllllll
I'm of that camp, having owned Sus a while and run it on multiple chains. What the stupidly expensive amps deliver is better bass control and more overall energy. Topping A90 will drive Sus to adequate volume with enough control to demonstrate that there is clearly something special going on. But beefier amps will push the envelope further, delivering music that is simultaneously punchier / more dynamic and more effortlessly clean and open.
The formula for greatness is to reduce all sources of error and bottlenecks in the playback chain, which gets harder and more expensive the higher you climb the price + performance ladder. Meanwhile, the improvements become ever more minute / incremental. With May and HM-1 there's a sense of crossing an uncanny valley where audio playback is inching frighteningly close to live performance. This comes across in things like the clarity of room reflections from recording environments, dynamics of things like horns that can go from silent to piercing in an instant, etc. These types of improvements are simultaneously objectively minute and subjectively stunning.
my pair doesn't squeak, prb an easy fix
stock pads sound better than dekoni
Z, The bad cables could make you question, "what have I bought"?
the best thing is to never take the cables out of that box and leave them with the bread tie wrap in place... you don't have to spend a ton on a new cable...
@@dixter1652 unless you buy from abyss
What your address saying is I'm almost positive is just the way the music was produced.