Why Gen Z Doesn't Care About Music
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I discuss my theory as to why the GEN Z generation doesn't care about music.
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This video explores a fascinating topic, from many perspectives, i.e. cognitive sciences, musicology, and the art form itself. While there are clear differences in generational experiences of music, Rick is asking the important, difficult and ultimately philosophical question, of what these differences mean for the future of music.
The formative experiences of Rick’s and my generation occurred before the internet, and even before digitization. Our parents’ generation, and their parents’ before them, had rich experiences of music in the culture. Pianos were commonplace, musical education was respected and valued, and music was interwoven in society, from experiences in churches to dances to any formal public gathering. Since then, the changes have not only accelerated but have deepened. Musical experience, perception, and understanding all interlace as a kind of weave of resilience that has been weakened, in much the same way that a sustainable ecological system is weakened as its’ biodiversity is diminished. In both spheres, we careen toward disaster; the landscape is bleak. A gen Z’er who never took a music lesson (whose parents didn’t either), who never danced to a live band, whose only experience of music is through a video game or an auto-tuned formulaically homogenized “product” is less likely to notice that the fabric of complexity of emotionally expressive music is unraveling.
The minimization of music and the related plague of musical illiteracy in recent generations has given us people whose “sensing abilities” (re: musical perception) have atrophied, like an organ that once served a function, or a muscle that’s no longer used. It’s comparatively like an ecologically ruined landscape, where a rich and varied diversity has unraveled and disappeared to the point where it is all but eclipsed from memory.
The rapid rate of technological change has most certainly altered how people experience and interact with music, even changing the human organism, developmentally and structurally, over time. The change has been so rapid that even the most dedicated defenders of the art form are reeling, as evidenced in Rick’s post. Music helps develop the empathetic feeling of the human organism, aids in resonating with the expression that comes from the language of melody, rhythm and harmony, in particularly in an improvisational context. As musical experience and literacy decline, attention spans get shorter. Instant gratification and addiction replace knowledge and any discretionary aesthetic. The discipline which leads to understanding and valuing music as contributing to a healthy, vibrant culture, is lost.
Brilliant comment! So exquisitely stated. This is exactly what I think but could never have put into words as well as you did. And looking from an even bigger picture perspective, what you stated is applicable to so many other areas of life as well. I fear for mankind.
This could not have been articulated better.
Your comment is so accurate, it makes me sad that this generation is getting more and more desensitized in regards to human empathy and love. Technology is transforming humans into robots with no soul
Bleak but well put. I guess I'm more concerned about future generations just sitting on their ass all day not getting any exercise. They watch sports but don't play sports. 🙄 Here's hoping the trend reverses some day.
An "organ that once served a function", that's deep, like a musical tailbone? Sad but true. I think keeping the ability to hear and appreciate (and perform) music alive in successive generations will depend on the parents' degree of respect toward it as expressed in the home during kids' formative years. I never gave my kids piano lessons or forced them to play an instrument. I just practiced piano, wrote songs and enjoyed music daily. Now my daughter plays the piano & sings, and my son plays drums, piano and sings. And they gravitated toward music simply because they saw me doing it passionately.
My oldest was born in 2009. I've tried to get my kids interested in music, but to no avail. I usually play Rock, Blues, or Jazz in the truck when we go places and tell them stories about the musicians. Anyway, my boys wanted to go for ice cream the other day and I wasn't playing any music. My oldest said...Dad, put on some Rock and Roll and tell us a story. I was so happy.
I was born in 1990 & I never had much interest in music outside soundtracks to things I liked until my mid teens.
It isn't a generational thing, just an age thing.
Totally cool man. Would have made my day!
Yes! Mine requests Play Boston!😆
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You sound like a great dad dude.
Personally, I became a professional Music Composer almost solely because of the music I heard in games growing up, and know many other musicians and composers who had the same origin story.
Videogame music is severely underrated man!
This is my reason too!
To put that into perspective, I still listen to the need for speed 2 soundtrack almost on a weekly basis because some of the artists in the creative process of that music were just absolutely brilliant. Video game music has been a big inspiration for me over the years as a musician as well
Rick's talking like his only exposure is to multiplayer games, arcade games, or streaming.
It seems kinda like judging printed literature by seeing magazines.
I wonder if the main difference is that games where music is core, front & centre, generally aren't social experiences. You enjoy it, but you usually don't bring someone round to your house to experience it with you in the same way you might listen to a record or watch a movie together. The interactivity means a passive spectator isn't having the same experience, so it isn't really one you can share with others beyond recommending they play it for themselves.
He wasn’t slamming video game music.
Funny to see my favorite FFXIV music person here! You and Husky!
I'm a younger Gen Z and cannot comprehend how so many of my peers just don't care at all about music let alone in a deeper way. They listen to a bit of mainstream music and that's it. They hate older music such as The Beatles or classical compositions simply because they're "nerdy" or "old". Ridiculous actually.
Videogames just fuelled my love for music, as I aspire to become a composer for games and movies when I grow up because of my love for e.g. OST music, and how anyone can get into making music (Toby Fox inspired me as an example). Loving videogames and having a deep passion for music aren't mutually exclusive. It's just that the people today with talent get overshadowed by the mainstream low quality sampling circus with as little effort as possible put into the music.
I'm not into the most mainstream of videogames either, like your average AAA game enjoyer, no. I love games such as genDESIGN's masterpieces that are works of art, with countless hours put into the making of the music and the feel of it all.
Kids are exposed to crap that nobody wants to hear. This is the reason because they don't hear music. Why the music is crap is another argument.
This seems odd to me and almost unbelievable. I'm a millennial, born in the late 80s, tech and computer nerd, computer games are one of my greatest past-times. Of which, I would say that the music from the computer games I enjoyed played a sizeable role in the cultivation of my love of music. I'm now a professional musician.
Something like 30-35% of my music library, which totals thousands of records, is music from computer game soundtracks. Also, all of my computer game loving friends also cherish some of the soundtracks of their games, it's a topic we can discuss ad-nauseum.
Ergo, I'd say that it can't be the computer games that have made this change that you perceive. It must be another variable. The de-valuing of music as a commodity? The over saturation of aspirational musicianship of the peers from the previous generations devaluing music as a status symbol? Music having lost the media spotlight? The quality of computer game music having taken a nose dive around the mid-late 2000s, going from highly musical, melodic themes to generic cinema scores?
Whatever the case, I don't think it's the computer games themselves.
Not the videogames per se, but the social changes that digitalization has introduced (with this, there is a strong change in the way of earning money; with it come changes in the big industry (not only in music, in everything)). And also the change in the way we relate to each other, everything is more personal today (people like Baudrillard (simulacra) or Zigmunt Bauman (everything "liquid") have portrayed this thing very very well)
East Asia has a ton of good music from video games, even mobile games from the past 15 years. The Hollywood-esque film scoring in video games isn't that big there.
I was a child in a non-musical household and credit video games heavily for exposing my younger mind to high quality music and making me into a music fanatic.
Wasn't expecting to see one of my speed running heroes in the comments of one of Rick's videos. My mind is blown for the day. Brinstar theme rocks!
I love the music to "Final Fantasy" series
Many people are saying games made them really enjoy music but i bet its
Games > Music
It's easy and fun to listen to music. No one is making you learn an instrument, theory, producing, the history but at the end of the day, far less people are doing it because it takes hard word while games are instant fun.
I totally credit video games as a kid for teaching me the trial and error perseverance needed to learn instruments to a high degree of skill later on. Learning guitar and bass is kind of analogous to learning a mechanically complex game: just keep grinding it and your skills *will* improve along with muscle memory :)
@@Emtrax. i've done all of those things extensively...
are far less people doing it? how you gonna know the stats for that?
I'm one year older than you Rick and I can't imagine my life without music. Music inspires me, moves me emotionally. comforts me and stimulates me to explore and experience life more deeply. Few things are as exciting than hearing a new (or old) song performed by an unknown artist(s) and getting that indescribable thrill that all music fanatics crave. It is an art form that unfolds in real time but always in a different space under different conditions and thus (i think) is always changing and evolving and unfolding to show us new ideas. This makes it unique among all of the fine arts. Even a captured (and static) recording can evoke different feelings and emotions depending on the listeners and the situation that it is being played. A song can be performed live and be transformed into something completely unexpected from it's original form. I find it endlessly fascinating and I'm always on the hunt for something new and exciting. And I regularly go back and listen to music from all genres and eras. I CANNOT imagine my life without music.
I have to listen and concentrate on music - I can't have it playing in the background - it's distracting and annoying. I have to LISTEN to it. Maybe this might be the reason why more recent generations don't value it like others - it's just another stimulant or distraction that diverts their attention from the barrage of info that we all experience on a daily basis. Yet the digital age allows me to literally have any music I wish at my fingertips in my pocket - that blows my mind on a daily basis. But it also makes me sad and worried that the love of all things musical is being watered down by the digital assault that permeates EVERYTHING!
You have wonderful topics and discussions that make me stop and think - and then go find the music and LISTEN to it! Fantastic! As always, thank you!
My take is that it’s not their music. My youngest is almost 12 and he plays baseball and rides bikes and dirt bikes and loves to work on things and he is a good student with many interests. He thinks video games are ok but honestly doesn’t play any often at all . I try to introduce all the good things in life to him and allow him to be his own person. He really doesn’t care about music though and I’m just hoping that he’ll appreciate it as he gets older
I grew up in the 70's, graduated in '82 and college in '86. I lived for music! I couldn't get enough records back in the day and was in heaven when I bought my first real
stereo components. The amount of talent back in the day was amazing and the creativity was off the charts.
I now have two boys both the same age. One listens to garbage, aka rap, what I refer to as Crap. He knows a few of the great bands from my hey day simply because
he's heard me play their music at home etc. He also likes playing video games. My other son loathes his generation's music and listens to everything from my generation
and is always asking questions about bands. While he plays video games with friends, he would rather lay in bed and listen to music on his head set.
Once in a while I'll even allow him to put on my vintage Pioneer headset hooked up to all vintage Pioneer components and speakers from the '70's and listen to albums as
Dark Side of the Moon, Boston, Jimmy Hendrix and others. He truly appreciates the music and the talent. We connect mentally and emotionally to this incredible music.
A couple of his good friends also love classic rock vs their generation's music.
I agree video gaming has helped to undermined Gen.Z's passion for music and inspiration. However, if you were to throw out all the video games, I still wonder if this
generation overall would appreciate music more? I kind of doubt it. I think their lack of appreciation for good music comes from the fact that today's music and artists
are basically made in a studio, it's mostly garbage and the lack of creativity is obvious. Back in the day, we had such great talent, creativity and choices, it just pulled us
in and we embraced all of it. That's been gutted by today's music and standards. There were no auto tunes back in the day. Now that's all there is and it's bad.
It's truly sad if you really consider how Gen. Z has been screwed out of good music they can truly identify with and enjoy. Twenty years from now, none of their music
will even exist anymore.
I’m gen z and music is one of the most important things in the world to me, I honestly don’t think my life would be the same without it.
Me too.
Listening to Rick talk about the Global top 10 nearly made me cry. It’s over. He’s an upbeat guy and the nicest thing he could say was “this is song” about Miley Cyrus
@jackiep5009 music is my everything, and it's so sad to see that such amazing artists aren't appreciated while garbage like mumble rap are being praised
@@Samuelisaksonthank you for this. And that crappy quality triple high hat can also go away. And auto tune (most of the time) , dubstep (killed IDM, I'm so mad), and grunge should have aborted Theory of a Nickel Creed.
@@N0p3er5 I honestly don't mind the use of autotune as long as it's used as a tool in the shed and not a crutch to make the song sound good.
@@atlus6772 I know you are right. It's just rare that it's used in a non annoying way. I mean, Duck Guy from Don't Hug Me I'm Scared, his voice was autotune!
I’m a gen z kid. I think it’s interesting to hear your perspective. I think a lot of people my age don’t have as much of a connection to music as other generations did, but it’s still a big part of their lives. The difference is that, on average, listening to music isn’t as active for us. Most people I know listen to music while they’re doing other things or as a background thing. People listen to music while they’re studying or walking home, things like that. I think it’s partially because music is so easily accessible now. It’s not like a ritual to open up a CD or record and listen to the whole thing through like it was for my parents. You just kinda look up what you want to hear and add it to a playlist. That doesn’t mean we aren’t listening to music as much, it just means it isn’t really in the foreground. That’s probably why it seems like we aren’t as passionate about it. I’d argue there’s a lot more passion there than it seems, it’s just manifested in a different way. Cool video though. You made some interesting points.
Agreed, I’m a millennial and do it both ways. Sometimes I actively listen to music I love. But most of the time it’s a background thing. I’m almost 30 lol
Good point..
Im gen X .an i listen to music in the morning during my coffee n cannabis
"Wake n Bake"
100% agree
@@salvatorepitea5862 lol nice
Perfectly said. I'm a millenial myself, but grew up to gen x parents who had an special way to listen to music, which truly made myself different on that aspect. On saturdays mornings, sometimes afternoons, we would all sit on a carpet with cushions, in front of our sound system, and stop everything we were doing just to listen to whole albums my mother had just ordered, and talk about it. We discussed the lyrics and instruments for hours, analysed LPs and CD covers, did get real deep in the music and of course, we bonded together. And that's how we deal with music to this day: it's not just soundtrack for doing some other thing, listening to music is a thing in itself, it could be emotional, deep, and could leave beautiful marks on your life experience, if you permit so.
This comment will get buried, but I'll give my take. I'm a gen z (24) band director. I know from my own life that this partly comes from a deficit of boredom in young peoples' lives. Boredom is a valuable thing because it pushes you to make decisions about your future and use your free time for learning or creation. With short form entertainment, every nook and cranny of everyone's day is filled with stimulant. Therefore, the little pushes that happen that get someone to finally explore an instrument have gone down in frequency. I sit for hours on shorts/reels. It is poison. I have a saxophone and want to become a great improvisor, why haven't I picked it up today? That said, I don't think gaming itself is a factor, because games still require focus and practice; it's the auxiliary media connected with gaming and that media's entire ecosystem that is causing the phenomenon that you're witnessing.
He also said that my generation, millennial, knows nothing but the internet. He says that he knows what kids these days are into, but that is a lie.
I am 46…I have to agree that boredom…or even just quiet moments alone are when my brain finally feels free and sorts out my thoughts, and I come up with more clarity and more ideas on things. I have far fewer of those moments for my brain to do what it does because I’m always stimulated by RUclips or Reddit or something that just wastes my mental and emotional energy that could be used for creative purposes…or even just cleaning the house lol.
I think this is a huge point you’ve made here. I have tried to spend less of my day on my stupid phone so my brain can decide what I actually want instead of scrolling to some new time filler I haven’t seen yet. I think you’ve just inspired me to get off YT! 😂
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Very good at synopsis
25 here and it is the same for me. Music is my number 1, making and listening to music almost every day. I dont have the goal anymore to build a career off of it, i tried to maybe become a music producer but all the anxiety and pressure that comes with it really took the fun away. so i decided that i could earn money anyways by workin in a normal job and music will just be the thing i explore and have fun with. If something should work out music-wise, thats cool, if not, cool too. Music is way too important for me to just put all that pressure on myself. I dont want it to feel like university or school lol. Music is what i have fun with
Good point - I think you're right - maybe that's why I've been playing less these days.... I'm just a little older than you (70), and playing and listening to music has helped me get through the most difficult times in my life.
So why have I played less lately? Is it because it's so easy to pick up a smartphone? Maybe so....
This needs to be thought about more....
Keep up your playing please! Cheers...
I’m an older Gen Z but video games actually got me into music and into classical music. It made me interested in learning piano as well
I'd wager this is more common now than it was when I was a kid. Towards my teenaged years we got a sound card and could hear something more sophisticated than the simple speakers that could mostly just beep. Before that it was 8-bit, at best, and it mostly didn't sound so great.
I remember some of the games though, from the midish '90s could allow you to put a CD into the drive and listen to that as you played.
I mean as someone born in 2004 my way into swing/jazz (one of my favorite genres was through a videogame - Mafia II
How often would you say it happens among your peers?
Outlast and its ending theme (that back in 2013 I thought was the greatest musical piece ever) got me into classical music as well
@@lubormrazek5545 I was born in 2004 and GTA got me hooked into 80s pop and 60s-70s classic rock.
There are a lot of people my age who couldn’t care less about music and I could never understand that. Music is my entire life, I couldn’t go a day without it.
for real
Yes, many of my ex highschool classmates in the 90s never cared about music
I'm 29 and most people my age and even 10 or 20 years older don't care about music either.
Maybe if it's something nostalgic. But that's it.
My mother was like that. She never, ever played music in the car or house. Strangely enough, when she was young, she was a good enough violinist to be pretty high up in the ranks of Los Angeles youth symphony.
@@stacyrynd7110 Strange, is that because of trauma or what? i don't get it
Rick, I'm only a year or two younger than you. When I was a teenager there were times I would put on the headphones, lie down, and simply "listen" to an album. I wouldn't do anything else. Simply close my eyes and listen. If I had time, I'd put on a double album (such as the white album, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, or Quadraphenia) and lose myself in the experience. Even today, I can simply listen to music without needing to do anything else.
I used to wear headphones a good part of the day at 12-13 years old. My neighbors would tease me by calling me "Radio Head". You could use music to isolate yourself too, I agree.
I was born in 82 and am a HUGE music nerd. I put on my headphones and listen to "Tales from topographic oceans" by Yes without doing anything else. Imagine GenZ doing that😅....
Yes. I used to do this too. My faves in the 70s were Kansas, Boston, Styx, The Cars, and Rush and I used to love listening to the whole album on headphones. It was similar to the experience of going to the theatre and watching a good movie.
@@seghj I'm from 2005 and I do that. Simply put on an album and listen while sitting outside or taking a walk or simply lying down. Eh, but maybe you're right as I feel as though I don't belong, I don't know anyone else around my age that does that.
@theancientone1616 Even in my generation, you don't see that many people doing this. Most folks don't really LISTEN to music but use it as a background while doing something else. My wife for example cannot deep-dive into music at all because "that bores me to death" (her words)....incomprehensible to us😅
Goosebumps, "audio-orgasm"....most people never experience this with music
Gaming actually enhanced my interest in music. Licensed music soundtracks in games like GTA exposed me to a lot of great bands I wouldn't have heard otherwise
So true. GTA 5 has an amazing sound track. I got really into steady beat electronic music from games like katana zero and fury. Dark souls also really got me to love orchestral music so much more
Gta, saints row 2 and the cuphead soundtrack
Yeah, same here. GTA San Andreas was one of my biggest sources for the music I know and love today
FIFA helped me to love indie rock
I've noticed a lot of young, really young teens are getting into music because of highly narrative-based (mostly indie) games like Undertale...so... to add, yes, I'm 27 and I got into a lot of different songs because of games like GTA and Need for Speed series, and you guys gave a lot of other examples from the 2000s but there were the 90s too, where we got into metal from Doom, and in my case even into country because of some western game (Outlaws from LucasArts).
Then I'd say yes, gaming actually got it.
Anyway, his point was most young gamers are not going to pay attention because competitive gaming is all about well...competitviness, and not about art. And besides dumbed down shooters like COD, those are all the popular games. To counter it though, we can see League of Legends always collab with musicians and release highly appreciated content based in music... so, the discussion goes on.
Great points but gonna have to disagree. Video games are what got me into music. I learned guitar so I could play Pokemon songs and now I've made a whole career out of reinterpreting video game music as rock and metal songs. It's not even just games, one of my earliest memories was trying to play the Star Wars theme on a cheap Casio keyboard because I liked the movies.
Music has always had a visual element to it from live concerts to soundtracks, but video games have done something that no other media has been able to do. Video games allow the audience to control and interact with the music itself! Doom Eternal changes the arrangement based on controller inputs and what's happening on screen! It's soundtrack has introduced a whole new audience to Djent to the point that Djent is now referred to as Doom music. Video games have evolved what music can be and I'm super excited to see where it goes from here!
Love your covers dude
I’ve seen your vids! I absolutely love your Bloodborne metal covers! Great stuff dude.
The Sega Genesis is what got me interested in music. I didn't care about the regular "pop" music you would hear on the radio in the late '80s early '90s. Games like Thunder Force 3, MUSHA, and Ghouls and Ghosts had epic bangin' soundtracks. I would boot up, plug in my headphones, and just go to the options screen and listen to the tunes. I also liked movie music, mainly Star Wars and anything John Williams did.
Doom always had cool music.
Oh hi fancy seeing you here. And I’d have to 100% agree. Jun Senoue was actually a big reason I wanted to take up drums and then eventually guitar. And then there’s Junichi Masuda & Go Ichinose & Pokémon and Jazz & Techno. Like there’s so many influences in video game music and a lot of is overseas Japanese 70s and 80s music that video games were especially initially influenced by in the 90s. I think the medium of interests are a lot more spread nowadays with the internet, people have a lot more outlets they go through more people to interact with so there’s a chance for a slice of the pie for a lot of things. Although I will say content fatigue is very real.
I think that's really weird because video games definitely helped me get into music. A LOT of video game soundtracks have shaped my music taste
Same
Looking back at my favorite games, they tend to have really great soundtracks. I think it's an important part of gaming. But also television. Movies. Everything really. Music is everywhere. I think our relationship with music may have changed over the years, but it's still there and always will be.
@@flavoredwallpaper I agree!
I played videogames a lot growing up in the 80s and 90s. But I also listened to music. Maybe the difference is the cellphone and safety culture. When you can literally always play a game or watch a video and there's less meeting up with friends independently to do whatever you wanna do, music gets shoved out. In college we would play videogames on a shared big screen, but also watch MTV on that screen and also go to bars and clubs where we heard new music and then played it in the dorm on stereos.
@@formulaic78 I'd argue that now we have access to so much music and everything is curated specifically to your tastes. I don't think cellphones make things better for music fans. Especially since nowyou don't have to pay per album. Personally I don't know how much truth there is to what Rick is saying because it's all anecdotal.
I don’t know. I’m gen z, and everyone I know loves music. It may just be my circle, but I didn’t feel like anybody in Highschool didn’t listen to music. I felt like everyone was ALWAYS listening to music. So much that they weren’t paying attention in class.
Also, games expanded my love of music. They introduced me to different genres. Stuff like the Minecraft soundtrack is incredibly popular.
I myself am a huge fan of film score, but unfortunately most people don’t share that love with me.
I agree. Music is integral to the experience and I'm GenX. I think his analysis falls short.
Do you know people your age who will just listen to an album all the way through? I'm a millennial and I don't know anyone who does, and until recently I was a teacher with gen z and alpha students, and I never heard of any of them doing that, and I talked about music with a lot of them. And hey, if you haven't, lie down in a dark room and listen to Dark Side of the Moon straight through. That album is a journey!
@@evanbarnes9984 I know a few people that do, but most people I know just put their Spotify or Apple Music on Shuffle. I can’t stand that, honestly. I have listened to dark side of the moon all the way through, and I can’t say I was a big fan. I love Breathe and Money, but besides that I wasn’t crazy into it. Maybe I’ll give it another listen soon.
People don't listen to full albums as much anymore .. and they don't replay full albums .. they'll find their favorite song make a playlist and on to the next album out of the 20 that release everyday.
Games actually broadened my taste. It feels great when game developers put music in the right place. The emotional investment makes the music more memorable.
MGSV's use of The Man Who Sold the World was the first time i had heard the original, and i fuckin love that one now.
Video game soundtracks became my favorite "music genre"
Be it relaxing like Minecraft or metal like Doom, synphonic, electronic or whatever mash of genres, I love it.
I also love when they make music systems that dynamically and seamlessly evolve the same song depending on the current game conditions, like in NieR Automata, where every music has 3 or 4 different dynamic versions, FF7 Remake which has dynamic music for combat areas, Monster Hunter World which has dynamic theme for each monster which changes depending if you're fighting, mounting or chasing it, and even Genshin Impact recently which has some dynamic themes in The Chasm region
Speaking of Genshin Impact it has one of the best musical work of any game I played recently, it's very extensive and very good, I love it
Cuphead
The final fantasy series got me into listening to music when i was like 13. Ended up playing through all the games just to discover all the great tunes each game had to offer. And i have to say, Nobuo Uematsu is a genius!
Fallout had the best soundtracks
I feel like I have an interesting perspective on this convo… I’m a gen Zer (born in ‘99), but I’m also in my first year of being a music teacher in public schools. I think Rick is right in some ways here, but I think he’s missing out on some insights too.
In my experience, I’ve been astonished by how many kids get their music tastes from video games and meme culture. I think where Rick is correct is that their engagement with music looks SUPER different compared to folks in his generation, in that music for music’s sake isn’t as explicitly of a cultural force as is was then.
Where I think he gets it a little wrong is in whether kids are interested in music. In my experience, the difference is that music and individual kids’ taste in music is growing increasingly personal and private. Headphones are WAY more common than they were when Rick was a kids, as are personal devices on which kids can access music. I think the result of that is that kids are a lot slower to share their music with one another or with adults than they used to be, but I don’t think music is becoming less of a part of their lives, I think it just looks that way from the outside because music has been personalized so much that it’s not as openly talked about as it used to be. You have to really earn a kids trust over time these days to get them to share their music with you. But once they really do open up, a truly astonishing percentage of the kids I teach are obsessed with music that they engage with through video games and TikTok, and it’s really awesome to see young people start their musical lives with access to such a broad diversity of musical styles. It looks very very different from how it was when Rick was a kid, or even from when I was a kid as an older gen Zer (my formative memories revolve around saving my allowance to buy songs on iTunes and sifting through stacks of CDs at second hand stores). Music is still going strong in us youngins, I promise!
Well - there's hope there, thank you. Being a music teacher is awesome - I work for a public school system and I have the utmost respect for our teachers!
This echoes what I've observed - the focus on "cringe" and "not being cringe" probably has a lot to do with it. It seems very likely that the emo subculture was the very end of teenagers having a tribal identity based around the kind of music they liked, the the final chapter after a few decades in the 20th century where what sort of music you liked was paramount. I've suspected part of it is ease of discovery: I spent so much time in my teenage years of the late 90s discovering music, then Napster came out and it was suddenly absurdly easy. I still spent that last couple years of teenage life downloading as much as I could, but I felt the value decline from where it had been in 1999. Now you could just listen to a "This is …" playlist, something that I would have spent 3 years compiling for 1 or 2 tracks off of 40 CDs in the late 90s.
That is interesting. I recently got myself a Leak 130 amplifier and it can just fill up a whole house with music. It can be a shared experience. Still I find myself listening to music on headphone more often.
This sounds like to me that it ties into a lot of the current axienty and fear mentality. They don't share as openly because they afraiod of being mocked or derided for likeling what they like. Look at Reddit comment of any music board somebody will chime off about how bad something is easy and how bad people are for liking it. As a 90s teen I never really worried about sharing music so much as it was my escape from the crazy family life so I played it often and loud. But also we had MTV and a few other places to come to together on music (your local radio station). So there were these places and points t hat connected people more than today.
We couldn't really go off on our adventures like kids today and discover sub-genres of sub-genres and live in the tiny bubbles. Everyone new Madonna or Alanis or Aaliyah etc. because they all went on the same shows and people had a handful of shows they watched as a culture. Now you got millions of options so the tribes are smaller, more protective, I find less open (trusting) to outsiders (i.e. you're not one of us).
On the flip side however, I have run into teenagers who love music so much and love the older stuff pre 90s because they discover it on RUclips or wherever and compare to the new stuff and find it just sounds better to them and more interesting and "less fake". I don't think will have the same zeitgeist music moments we used to have or the same level of pop stardom we once knew because the music listening public is WAY to fractured. But I do think we will see the rise of vibrant and string local scenes across the country/world. So say a new San Francisco sound will develop that is totally different from the Cincinnati sound or Chicago or Albuquerque. Much like it was with blues in the 20s/30s/40s...
@@popoff7808 Speaking of small genres, I really Scott Bradlee's Post Modern Jukebox. His band does 1980s music in the style of the 1930s. They do a really good job at it. I don't think I would have found them back in the day.
I've been making piano tutorials since 2007 across five channels - but 5 years ago I totally switched from making new music and chart song tutorials to making video game and meme song tutorials.
It's not that Gen Z don't care about music, it's that the delivery system has changed - and especially pre teens are not listening to the radio at all - the odd global hit gets through but the songs they want to play are mainly from video games or memes (or TV shows).
But they cant write music with an emotional component to it. Their music is vapid and non memorable. I think this is because their brains have been modified when they were developing with video games in such a way that they cant create art with an emotional component. Listen to what passes for popular music be it hip hop or dance or even rock, its flat and doesnt make anyone feel anything
If you ever go through classic songs and all those comments saying " I came here from so and so game " ?
Radio has become unlistenable. There are no more DJs ( too expensive) but plenty of commercials and bad music. Some things are FREE but just not worth your time.
@@SpaceCattttt - I went to Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club [London] last night to see the Yellow-Jackets, in performance. They've been doing this for a long time, as have the audience, generally.
We have all progressed although I spoke to a young guy who helped me get there ]as he was going and I was shopping and lost my bearings] he is a young drummer].
In 'Commercial-Ville' the medium changed long ago in support of other mediums. In this parallel reality, The 'Jkts' still get better and better and they have a much younger member now, on Bass [6-string], a very fine, and compatible musician indeed.
They set a wonderful example of compelling music making as an art-form through the generations - the video thing might actually burn out like an over exposed 'shooting star' when it passes its peak.
That doesn't happen in 'Ronnie's'; night after night the stars pace themselves out and shine on like crazy diamonds in a sky of Lucys', over many shades of grey [and other tones]. The young staff there are wonderful as they always have been 😑.
bullshit, have ever listened to a sountrack of anything, modern radio is vapid, pop is, but soundtracks???? the music specifically designed to direct your emotions while engaging with a visual medium????? We cant write properly because noone teaches the stuff we like to hear, or the way we usually write, I use FL-studio, wtf would I need staff notation for? I dont, I'm now learning composition in spite of music theorists and music snobs best effords to keep me from doing so.
Gen Z doesn't understand music, that's why performers make more money than real artists. Let's spit the truth.
Performers - All image - little value - big cars and houses - drugs and death.
Artists - reality - real value -starving artists - bicycles - simple long life.
Which path is more valuable?
@@danherrick5785 Artists all the way
What don’t they understand? What do you understand that every single person born from 1997 to 2012 doesn’t?
Okay let's not go crazy.
Elvis was a performer too, let's not forget he wrote almost none of his material.
@@greco-romano9852 And look how he turned out.
I'm GenX and I can't imagine my life without music. It got me through so much. However back then you could see your fave bands for $20!
Back then you could see your favorite band for $20
Now to see my favorite band I have to drive 10 hours through 3 states, spend a night in a hotel, and it costs me about $800
I’m genx as well but my favorite bands back in the day were between $5 and $7. If it was more than $8 we thought they were getting too big for their britches. Oh the foolishness of youth…
I’m millennial and I agree. Music is very important to me.
I'm Gen-X, I just can't enjoy a video game without a good chiptune or music, a game without good music is a game without a soul.
Yeah, nowaday going to à concert is way too expensive for ordinary teens.
Real gamers appreciate the music in their games. From games like bloodborne or Zelda where you get beautiful classical instruments compositions based on styles from all over the world, to Doom’s death metal. It’s one of the major aspects you can get from a game, the music.
Doom Eternal has some good axe licks in it :)
JRPGs have some of the best tracks ever. Tremendously emotional, intrincate, well-compossed and simply beautiful. Composers such as Nobuo Uematsu, Yasunori Mitsuda and Noriyuki Asakura have always been a great influence for me as a guitar player.
@@LeonardoGarcia-qt6lf Speaking of GREAT music in video games, did you ever play Silpheed? The game where you flew a little fighter around and blasted the aliens? That game had the best damn soundtrack ever. It even sounded like cheese but the songs were GREAT!
That's great and all but DOOM is not death metal
@@LeonardoGarcia-qt6lf We need Rick to listen to Castlevania - Symphony of the Night Soundtrack! Or maybe Chrono Cross. His musical insights would be so good, and I think he might even like a few songs 😅
The video game that changed my life music wise was Grand Theft Auto Vice City when I was 21. Just driving around and listening to all the 80’s classics just inspired me to search bands and pop artists of that era. It totally expanded my mind and helped me grow an appreciation for music of all eras.
That’s a great soundtrack indeed
Me too. As a teenager in the early 00's I mostly listened to 80s hair metal because of VROCK.
Two! Minutes! To miiiiiidnight!
Nothing like blasting 2 Tickets to Paradise while flying around in the plane
Push it to the limiiiiiiiit!
YES!!!
Found this really interesting. I teach kids guitar for a living and have definitely noticed a decline in general passion for music listening (although playing music seems more popular than ever). Being early Gen Z myself, I don't see and difference between my relationship with games as a kid and theirs.The main difference I see is the way that music is consumed now. I caught the tail end of CDs and iTunes, when you still had to know who it was you were listening to and the concept of 'owning' a music collection was still there. Your music collection was a way that you projected identity. I ask every student now who they like to listen to and only around 10% have an answer, having only really listened to playlists on streaming services and never checked the artist names. I think the fact that the concept of 'owning' music is no longer relevant to streaming means that kids don't project identity with music listening anymore.
That’s so sad
I don't think this is just a problem with music but with the arts in general. What are some defining book or movies for these generations? And for the long running series, have they not gotten stale?
You're _right_ !!! And so much of Rick's rant was really about how we form and show off our identity to others. (Or hide it from them, maybe, for some.)
So how *do* those under 25 now go about creating their identities, and how do they badge them? Sociologists need to tune in to this conversation; perhaps they have some further insights.
FWIW, I disposed of most of my recorded music collection years ago, since I spend way more time making music than listening to it. But I've kept all the scores I ever had, to create *live* music with.
@@mequint2000 We're just setting into the age of 'fast food art' - it's simple, heavy handed but bland, with a short shelf life, meant to be consumed immediately, quickly
It's just Spotify/Twitch/Netflix instead of McDonald's/Burger King/Wendy's
To me it's heartening that the OP thinks playing music is more popular than ever. The idea that kids are identifying themselves by their own work rather than someone else's seems the proper way for things to be moving.
I think Gen Z cares about music, but technology has fundamentally changed their relationship to it. Streaming has exploded the amount of music available, and a Spotify subscription costs less than a CD did when I grew up.
Previous generations had to spend money on an album. And because you couldn't buy every album, the ones you chose to purchase became not only a reflection of your personal taste but part of your identity. The internet has blown that up. In previous generations younger p may have been into punk, or rock, or hip hop, or electronica, or any other number of generes, I think most kids now listen to a wider variety of music than ever before. And the (nearly)endless playlists on streaming services means you can listen to hours and hours of music without necessarly connecting to an artist or album in the way older generations may have (I think in some ways that explains the 'background music' that you talk about).
Spotify pays less than a penny, ggo to hell
Yeah, it's such an odd take. Music is still a big deal for kids and teenagers, they just don't buy albums as much because there are cheaper alternatives. I grew up in the 90s and I spent a lot of money on CDs back then but nowadays I use streaming services. It doesn't have an effect on my appreciation for music, in fact it has broadened my taste.
@@CatIsBack25 That's cuz of the record labels not the service itself
i do think its fair to say there was some extra "mystique" around music and musicians for teenagers in the past when there were less things to do overall as a kid and these musicians felt further away.
"More choices but less significance." Is how I describe the relationship of Music to Gen Z'ers.
Video games got me into music. While playing games like Final Fantasy III I would often stop playing just to enjoy the music. This led me to composers like Nobuo Uematsu, which then led me to his influences like Elton John and various 70’s prog bands.
The mega man x games got me into rock and metal.
Fellow Final Fantasy VI enjoyer. Same story here, that game alone turned me into computers and music.
FFVI ❤
Now we're talking about culture!
I would love to hear what rick thinks about some video game music tracks.
Ridge Racer Type 4 OST is a killer, that soundtrack is a beast, has to be my favorite album ever
@@JosephWalker-ip7pd
I’m a year late to this topic but I believe it’s more of a Gen-Z male phenomenon.
I asked my 26 year old nephew what he likes to listen to and he struggled to answer. My niece said Taylor Swift, Beyoncé. and K-Pop.
Music went from glam rock to glam pop. The substance and male appeal is gone.
Boys spend time on video games but girls are social creatures and will take time out of their day to be part of the social scene.
That might be a reason why there’s no male version of Taylor Swift.
As a Gen Zer, music is the only thing in my life that bring me any happiness. My friend and I have already started the planning on creating a band, hell, we almost have an album finished. I thank my parents all the time for listening to the best music in the world that got me so hooked. Video games have always killed time for me but its been wearing off slightly more and more as time passes. Playing guitar and singing are the only things that make me so happy and excited. I dream to be on stage playing for people, whether it will always be a small crowd or a million people, just want to get there.
Edit: I will be turning 16 this June
Cool what type of music do you guys do?
Yo lmk when your album is ready. I’d love to listen to it
That’s great. Keep going. Persevere.
@@volta6525 not really sure what genre to describe it. We just make something up and then keeping going with it. A good portion of all of our songs have 12 string either as the main sound or background sound. Lots of either metal or clean sounding electrics. And my friend plays drums anyway he can match the tempo of how im playing.
I’m curious what music your parents listened to that you consider the best music in the world? If I had to guess I’d say music between the 70’s and the 90’s, not trying to nail it down to one genre as most older adults I know(like you parents) like a wide spectrum of music.
Here's my take on this. I was a music teacher for 31 years. With the advent of iPods and phones I found that my students were always plugged in. Music became background for OTHER things they were doing. Walking to school, doing homework, or just sitting by themselves. And so they don't really actively listen. Later in my career whenever I put on music for them to listen to, they would zone out or start talking. It became a bit of a nuisance, so I cut down on the things we listened to in class.
And because music is always available, it becomes disposable as well. Gone are the days of making a trip downtown to a record store to get that one record you really want.
Always having access to music and using it as background noise cheapens music.
yknow, this is actually the most accurate take I think. I had ipods in highschool, and I sometimes had so much to choose it was hard to even choose. So I would hit shuffle, nowadays I use youtube music mix. But the technology inherent generation might have more trouble finding unique stuff. Mainstream stuff will be the path of least resistance.
I fully agree!
I think this is it. Smartphones and music streaming services created an era where music is almost never listened to for its own sake. It's background noise while gaming, studying, walking, exercising, etc. The idea of sitting down, putting on an album, and giving it your full attention is almost unheard of now
I would pair this with the threshold for being “talented” is way too high now. We are only exposed to flawless performances, so when we can’t be flawless ourselves it’s discouraging.
This 👆
I'm a millennial, and I got into music because of videogames, especially during the PS2 era. And my little sister, she's a Zoomer, 16 years younger than me, she got into music because of anime. Music is everywhere, and people from all times have had different level of interest on it.
the cultural zeitgeist of "pop music" is more of what rick is talking about. that is much different than being into anime and video game OSTs
Yeah I really loved Tracker Music from games like Unreal Tournament and Command and Conquer back in the day, there were loads of 90s and 00s games with killer soundtracks. I dont understand Ricks argument that younger kids "only" grew up with the internet... really ONLY the vastest and deepest pool of collective knowledge and experience that has ever existed ONLY that thing. As for the whole argument that younger kids "dont go out and do xyz" well the boomers created the world these kids grow up in so.........
1987 millennial, and music didn't really click with me growing up. I did like videogames, and RPG videogames like Final Fantasy really got me into music composition -- then I learned various instruments and got into rock finally as a teenager. I know I'm not the only one.
I got into music via rap, and metal but Anime music pushed me to love music more. I then started to listen to japanese traditional music which brought me back to western classical/baroque etc. I love new wave a lot these days. I am a millenial. My older cousin used to make VHS tapes of video clips,my cousin is a Generation X. This did help my music education somehow.
@@ab8817 Much different in that it is infinitely better than it was twenty or so years ago. Pop Music always was and still is listening to three different song on repeat until you get a new set of songs blasted on the radio. Every singular aspect of music reception has improved, literacy has increased across the board. Rick's video is pretty much entirely nonsensical.
There is an intense visual and auditory bombardment not only in games, but also on Instagram, RUclips and the entire internet. And new generations are growing up in this chaos. That's why it's now difficult to truly experience a masterpiece produced with effort and knowledge. In fact, every second they are presented with "products" that are packaged with ready-made visuals and music, and which are easy to consume. Being surrounded by technology lowers people's attention threshold, and it is very difficult to resist this.
Well said! I have even found myself (a gen x'er) strolling mindlessly on tiktok, instagram, or through RUclips shorts. I eventually reach a point where I "shake out of the spell" , log off, and reenter back into reality.
And its scary.
I'm a gen z kid and super into music. Growing up i didn't get to have all the phones and internet until i was in like 11th or 12th grade because we were poor. Not dirt poor, but poor. My dad is a huge music collector so i had access to all his cds growing up and about 4th-5th grade is when i started to dig through his cds and read the little pamphlets in the cd cases. He had literally most of the greats from 50s-90s in multiple genres. 7th grade i did a huge school project where i made an encyclopedia of "music" and every Letter in the alphabet there was a band/musician and a mini biography of the band/musician that i had typed up. That was around the time when i started teaching myself guitar. I had no guitar teacher (never had a teacher, but my dad knew 3 chords and barely knew how to play.) My dad didn't really have any blues or jazz music. I knew about blues but I didn't really hear any cuz my dad didn't have it in his cds, that i knew of at the time, or anyone i was friend's with did. When we got internet that's when i got into blues and my mind was completely blown away by big bill Broonzy, lightning hopkins, rev gary davis, and john lee hooker. Then i found out about robert johnson. I went into my dad's cds and he actually had the robert johnson cd that's brown and a drawing of robert sitting in a chair on the front. And then i found a compilation album with 3 cds of a lot of the blues greats from the 40s- 50s and i played it so much, even when i had youtube. I have the compilation cd still to this day. So shortly after i "discovered" blues i began researching blues and seeking out new blues musicians, and still do.
Anyway the point of that story is i probably wouldn't hold music so dear to me if i never had that experience of seeking and discovering music; that whole adventure hooked me. No one forced me or told me what music to listen to, no device stuck me to an algorithm where i would get the same genre of music and narrowed my "lens." I just did it myself and really listened to what i was finding and it became a personal relationship. I think if i had access to internet and smart phones and unlimited music through my phone when i was young that i would NOT have this deep of a relationship with music as i do. I do not blame video games for the level of a kid's interest or taste in music, but the way kids discover music.
And for that i am grateful a small part of my life i got to experience life without all the devices and internet when i was younger because i truly believe that is one of the reasons why i am different than most of my peers.
Thank you for reading this if you have.
Edit: thank you people! I Didn't realize this would get this many likes, but since I have people's attention; if any old school blues type people are out there you could check out my stuff I have uploaded and /or subscribe to me if you want to support a huge blues fanatic (I will subscribe back and even talk with anyone about blues/rock if they want to) , it would really make me happy and motivate me to upload more. Keep the blues alive ✌️
You're definitely one of a kind!
Brilliant ! And so glad you found the blues 😊
❤
Rick is reaching
@@stuart6478 100%, The point about gaming I think is just VERY WRONG, many musicians (me included) are musicians because of games like Zelda (Ocarina of Time in my case), also talking about Mario Kart, the last one from the Nintendo Switch is a GREAT introduction to jazz music for Gen Z kids, and I’m SURPRISED that Rick Beato PLAYED that game being a jazz musician himself and… didn’t listen to the music? What?
I'm a younger gen z and I've always obsessed over music, but I've noticed almost all my friends or kids I talk to aren't all interested in music and I struggle to connect to them in that way.
exactly my experience as well, when i was in school i found out i was the only one in my class and my best friend's class that was so deeply invested in music, safe to say it felt pretty lonely
You gotta spoonfeed them. Trust me, I know. But if you make it easy for them, giving them a thumb drive to listen to their car, or e-mailing them videos via wetransfer, you can make a difference. Then THEY will do the same, and pretty soon, everyone does because they don't want to be "out of the loop". Good luck!
I find everyone, regardless of age, to be annoyingly disinterested nowadays. Most people just aren't passionate about anything now. They put a lot of importance and energy into politics and social media and money, but try talking to someone about music, art, rock climbing, sewing or whatever and they won't even listen to you.
You mean you struggle to connect *with* them? Or are you actually struggling to connect them like an actual game of connect the dots cuz EVERYTHING IS ABOUT GAMES WITH GEN Z APPARENTLY
Same I feel you i get Turn down from it
So this is what I think. When it comes to music, back in the day everyone wanted to play the guitar, because it looked cool, because the lead guitarrist could steal the atentiton, because you could bring the guitar to the party and jam and be the center. The guitar gave you that status. I noticed that kids now focus on beat making. Urban music now has the place rock music had some years ago. Is now focused on production and sound making, not so much on music theory and scales but rather finding interesting sounds and textures. Neither is better than the other, but the later is novelty, and kids now want to produce beats or rap because it will get them the attention or status, just like the guitar used to back in the day. When it comes to music, I think the motivation is the same, the attitude, the status, but the medium has changed. I think is very interesting.
Um, no, one is demonstrably better than the other.
I think the rise of urban music is a lot to do with ownership and immediacy. There’s a need to get your identity onto some kind of online cultural marketplace, right now, today. So, musicality, practice, development of understanding and crafted skills are unimportant, you need something right now. Sure, they’d be nice, but, if we own this product, then it is ours and we can rate it against what it means to us alone. We now have a voice, and it is our own in every way. In our group, we are the elite, and everyone else is irrelevant.
For an outsider looking in performing a comparison between well crafted material created by professionals with years of experience for a market with different needs, you are going to see a discrepancy. But competing in wider markets was never the objective. We accept comparatively lower technical and craft standards with own our work, but infuse it with raw, honest, grounding emotion in its place. It may have a tiny audience in comparison (usually local people who are connected by community to the producers), but it gives everyone a sense of unity, control, and purpose.
Digitization is the main culprit. I think when records got small, and home recording got big, and everybody had a struggling local alternative band, the music world became glutted. Put out your own CD, nobody cares. Too much mediocre competition and few real geniuses. Rock stars were a dime a dozen, only had one big album, too many names and not enough fame. Fortunes were still being made, but only because the entire world could now download your song even if you were very niche. There is just too much media of all kinds, not subject to "gatekeeping", like getting signed to a major label, or writing for a big magazine or book publisher. We can all be artists, but now the audience cares very little. It was so much more magical and aspirational when fame was reserved for the few who got picked. Much less fair, maybe. Wanting a music career now is a lot of slogging around for years in a van, forget the jet planes and the tour busses. The kids sense it and say, "Why bother?"
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here. And I absolutely agree with you, neither is “better” than the other. They are completely different worlds. I actually would say (as a guitarist myself) that texture is a more complex playing ground than harmony. Harmony has literally thousands of years of exploration and no matter how cool of a combination of notes or chords you come up with, someone has probably already done it. Where as texture, especially with digital manipulation, is rife for exploration and creation.
@@freakystyley4000 that’s pretty subjective though
I'm 16, born in 2008. I grew up around music mostly due to my dad listening to people such as Alice In Chains, Pantera, Metallica, Black Sabbath, Heart, Guns N' Roses, etc. I've been listening to those artists for as long as I can remember. Because of that I am now learning to play guitar, I have musical idols (Dimebag Darrell, Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Dave Mustaine), I have Metallica and Megadeth posters and tapestry hanging up in my bedroom along side a poster of James Hetfield on the Puppets tour seeing as he's my biggest inspiration. Hell, I'm even growing out my hair because of the music I like. I even have plans to start a Metallica tribute band at some point. I'm kind of ranting by now but the point is, I'm gen z and I absolutely love music. Always have and always will
Mario Kart 8 has some of the classiest music I've ever heard in video games. As a Jazz enthusiast and musician in that style, I absolutely adore its ost. As someone who plays both music and video games, I've developed an ear for how music is composed and used in all kinds of games, and it's certainly a discovery to be had.
It's just wildly hilarious that Mario Kart has such an incredible OST.
Yeah. Because those people actually learned something and are talented.
@@RSpracticalshooting But not rare. Good quality games often have good music.
I'm big on mega man music and some Mario games have really catchy music
Nintendo as a whole hires some of the greatest musicians/composers.
especially during the 90’s
Japanese composers go all out when making music for anime, same for games. And the music is an obvious make or break factor for the overall experience. And everyone knows that. The music is usually what stays with us, takes us back when hearing it again at a later stage.
Music from Japanese media is what got me into music orchestration; I *HAD* to know how they were doing it
Yeah, kinda like how ZUN is one of my favorite composers even though I don't play Touhou.
Koji Kondo is almost singlehandedly responsible for getting a lot of kids into jazz fusion.
I am a part of Gen Z, born in late 2003. I, along with all of my friends, love music. Video games are definitely something they enjoy as well but the soundtrack is almost always one of our favorite parts of it. I don't play as many video games as I used too, I tend to watch RUclips and listen to my favorite bands. But when I do play them, I am almost always listening for the music; it is honestly one of the only reasons I would play a game now. One of my friends and I also have been learning guitar for a while now. I don't know exactly how other people in my generation might feel but for all of the people I know, music is very important.
Same aswell! I do the same thing for Zelda games. Because of Zelda, i learnt flamenco on classical acoustic guitar!
Exactly. I find it insulting that people actually think like this about our generation. It makes us look bad. Almost everyone i know, couldnt go a day without music. I don't know where this idea that gen z does'nt listen to music came from but its dead wrong. Everyone listens to music, old and young. God damn fuckin boomers man.
@@xxsusmasterxx5491 Holy heck you too?! Yeah! I learnt piano because of Zelda :D it has such a nice soundtrack
@@cameronleblanc2625 Your generation has to own your musical illiteracy before it will get any better. Autotune this!
That’s a crazy claim to say that music isn’t an integral part of music. Did he listen to the music in Mario kart? Some of it is incredible.
Do some videos on people like koji kondo, video game composers. You will see how much creativity they often squeezed out of a very limited sonic palette in those early years of the NES, SNES, genesis etc
Hi Rick!
Love the channel - but I did want to say: I’ve been a music teacher for almost 10 years now, and in the recent years, I do find that my students will come in excited to play music they heard in games. Some games have really amazing soundtracks/composers - and it’s nice to see kids come in wanting to play music by Toby Fox or Nobuo Uematsu, which absolutely breaks the monotony of pop music.
Anyways, just figured I’d chime in as someone whose seen games bring kids to music.
All the best!
Great comment
Here's an alternative angle: you didn't register the music whilst playing the game because your brain was fully engaged in just trying to play it (basically because you were no good at it), the music is able to be appreciated once the game isn't as challenging. I've always loved the music aspect of video games.
That's basically what he said.
@@ferox965 What I heard from the video is that he thinks people don't listen to the music in games because they're 'too addictive' (gameplay-wise), leaving no space for listening to the soundtrack. My point is that people do listen to the music. In fact in some classic games it's one of the main draws to the games. We have whole concerts now dedicated to the music from games. So I don't agree with his statement. It might be true if you're struggling to play Mario Kart though :P
@@bowenflob8036 For people who grew up playing games and still have it as a primary hobby, listening to the music while playing something like Mario Kart is probably far easier than it would be for Rick. Mario Kart is a pretty simple arcade game, and when I play it I usually have just as much if not more attention being given to the music since I can more or less play the game on autopilot. For something like Dark Souls its different (despite it having some great music) since its far more challenging and actually needs my attention.
I have a feeling that he also doesn't realise theres many, many games out there that are nothing like the multiplayer games which evolved from the arcade games he played in the past. Many of them are artistic pieces just like a movie, book, or song are and intentionally have moments where everything else is dialled back in order for you to pay attention to the music and let it set the mood. Games like Hollow Knight, Death Stranding, the Persona series (and other atlus games like Catherine), Final Fantasy, and so much more is filled with moments that are memorable because they had you just listening to the music and take it all in.
@@cloodstroof7786 agree completely
I have a friend who has written music for several video games. It's not like writing an advertising jingle. A lot of work writing a lot of music. I have no idea what impact it has on the players, though.
In my humble opinion as a music lover who grew up playing video games, music doesn't appeal to kids because mainstream music today lacks melody. It may be fun to dance too, but isn't enough to really spark the love for music. The music industry needs to focus more on the art and less on the industry. Every song sounds the same, nowadays
Yea it’s mainly sound designs nowadays rather than melodic themes that functionally illustrate the game scenes. I think anyone can pay attention on 90s Squaresoft’s music, which were iconic for having strong themes and melody since early-mid FFs series ( also Chrono Cross and Trigger) but I can say the music were getting less significant since Crisis Core (2007) and I can’t seem to get any newer games’s song to stick in my ear beyond that. IMO
The problem is not so much that there is no good music being made. There is awesome music out there. It is a discovery issue. Most artists spend a lot of time on creating music, but not on building a relationship with their fans. Gamers are great at this.
I’m my opinion today’s music is similar to candy, it’s designed to be addictive and pumped with sugar but that will never give anyone any interest in being a chef.
Independent artists are creating magic
Agreed! I hear the equivalent of Top 40 today and can’t find anything “catchy.” Overemphasis on producers has plagued the industry to where the latest thing doesn’t really have anything musical in it.
The Internet has destroyed a lot of things but Music is probably the biggest one in my 71 yr life. It all started with the Napster/everything is free years. The minute music was FREE changed everything. It forced musicians whose lives focused on getting a "record deal" to never be able to have a NORMAL LIFE. Now there have been 3 generations who have never known a world without the Net. The damage done to humanity is incalculable. For each good thing there are MILLIONS of bad...
As a “Zoomer” (17):
You make some good points but Gen Z does care about music. We ALL notice video game music! We've grown up in the digital world where processing fast-pased visual/aural info is the norm. Music’s function within video games varies WIDELY--acting as a motif in RPGs like "Undertale" or painting a setting in sandbox games like "Minecraft", songs from which we all recognize (and most love!).
Your observations about kids emulating their favorite gamers are true, but this mostly phases out once kids get to highschool.
The vast majority of highschoolers listen to music daily - hip-hop to pop to indie - via streaming. Music is important, it's simply even more individualized and cliquey. We find the most valuable musical connections with fellow fans on social media.
Zoomer musicians still exist and care, following some combination of three routes: 1) Classically trained 2) Rock/pop/indie via RUclips and programs like School of Rock 3) Producing hip-hop/pop tracks in DAWs.
Good to hear your perspective. Hearing from gen z themselves needs to be part of this conversation, not just the older crowd weighing in.
its more like background noise... jk
I think this varies from place to place because where I live, everyone listens to the same artists from the region except for the few that listen to the top pop stars in the states. I'm not denying the existence of metalheads (like myself) and such, but like 70-80% of students follow this.
Important to note: I'm a high schooler. Also, the region specific stuff is somewhat split in two, the Spanish music (from Mexico and the surrounding Latin American countries) and the Dancehall (it's our equivalent of trap but worse imo) and Soca (this one isn't that bad imo, still has some soul).
@@khristopherkomodoensis4734 Very cool. Yeah, I’m speaking mostly from my experiences in the USA. Also, the great thing about living when we do is we don’t have to be a metal head to listen to or enjoy metal music, or any genre. Everything’s so accessible
Interesting perspective. Like Rick, I'm a boomer as well. I also talk and listen to a lot of kids including my own and even they admit there's a lot of music made today that's not very good.
Listen to the radio which admittingly is not a good place to form an opinion. So much of it "sounds the same", it has little character or depth to it compared to the music Rick and I were raised with.
Yes, every gen has its music but you have to go off the beaten path to experience good music and songwriting today (i.e., Indie, Americana). The rest is just music made for the masses optimized to get the most bang for the buck. DJs don't even control the songs played, that's why we hear the same stuff repeated on rotation.
In the US, music classes have been systematically underfunded for a long time. Maybe it's catching up. Also, physical albums becoming obsolete can't have helped.
Physical albums are having a resurgence the last few years!
Yeah, all of the music classes (in public school) ive had, the music we had to learn was horrible so nobody was motivated to learn it, so nobody practiced.
@@mitchweiner that may be, but the damage has been done.
While sad, I think what you describe isn't the root cause of the issue. It's the downstream effect of whatever has caused the disinterest in music. You can't cram music classes down kids' throats if they aren't interested in the class to begin with. Similarly, enrollment in school sports has been on the decline as well.
As someone who is part of Gen Z I think a big part of is what you mentioned, physical copies. I have tons of albums and songs on Apple Music but no real connection with them other than them being a “moment in time”. It’s hard to make a connection and wanna learn music that you have no obligation to listen to. I think it also is part of why songs and albums are so short nowadays - if you can’t hook someone within 30 seconds, you’re done. Buying an album used to be a commitment.
That's why I buy vinyl.
Sort of… back in the 80s I bought the soundtrack to Pretty in Pink, just like most of the other 8th grade girls, and I listened to the whole tape because I paid for it and we didn’t have loads of money. I figured you bought it so you use it, so I listened to all of it. I mentioned the B side to some girls at school and they awkwardly mumbled they’d just listened to side A, where the radio hits were, and then just ran it back again. Shame, they were missing out on some big stuff.
I wonder if it's an attention span thing, the average song used to be about 4 minutes long... that's like 4-8 tik tok videos.
Well thought out and I have to agree.
With all due respect, HARD DISAGREE.
The reason is exposure. Just plain and simple. The vast majority of the songs millennial grew up with were release by major labels and curated through the radio.
I was born in 1990, I have quite a bit of cd's that I have almost no connection to.
It's more just the fact that the barriers to release a song are so easy today that music as a whole purges much faster than ever before.
I'm sorry, but this reminds me my me and friends in highschool when we had the though at the age of 15-18 that no one in our generalities cats about music and CRUNK was running everything (it wasn't).
Put it this way, there are articles bitching about switching to cd's for similar reasons.
I’m so late to this conversation, and I’ll try to keep it short… I hear you Rick!!! So much said is right on point… but… I’m an optimist! As a boomer myself, I can’t predict how music moves forward in the next 20, 50.. 100 years, but as a teacher, nothing works better in my classroom than music. I teach Spanish using my guitar in an elementary school. Over the 14 years that I’ve been teaching in my school, my principal has purchased me a small arsenal of guitars to teach interested students to play… during their recess and lunch breaks!!! Yes.. students give up their recess to come to my classroom and learn guitar!!! It’s beautiful!!!
I’ll leave it at that. I believe that kids will always love music.. albeit a little differently than each previous generation 😆
As a (late) gen z kid myself I completely agree with you. Like, I mean I myself am _totally_ obsessed with music. It's like the fabric my whole day is made of. But when I want to share my love for music, none of the others care about it. Like, once I had to play guitar and sing in my music class. And I really wanted to do it because I like it. But once I got out my guitar and plugged it in my classmates just looked awkwardly at me and asked why I'd put so much effort in music. _It's just music_ they told me, _stop caring so much about it._ and i think that's quite frustrating and sad. But still, I've got friends who are as engaged in terms of music as I am (not at school but in the choir). That saved my music centered life, I guess.
I am an old guy, and I remember when I was in college, and my friends told me that I was "thinking too much." I was stoned one day, and realized that I just AM an intellectual, and enjoy thinking. So fuck em all. Always pursue your passions. I have taught high school, and am saddened by how unengaged my students were--in anything--sports, music, sex, culture, ideas, other people. They played video games. That seemed to be life for them, and to me it's such a total waste of your time here on earth.
Don’t worry about them, at that age people think it’s “lame” to try and care about stuff, when they really have no passion of their own. Actually think about that, you’re considered “not cool” because you have a passion. They’ll grow up though, don’t worry
Yeah I relate to this a ton
When you put effort into something and get good at it people will respect that. If your peers don’t get it, that’s their loss.
I wish you could have been in school in my generation. When I would break out the guitar and play in front of my peers they treated me like some kind of hero. Everyone paid attention because playing guitar was “cool”. I hope you get to experience that someday.
@@steveneardley7541 I totally agree with you. What a waste of your life.
I’m 29, I have memories buying cds, laying on my bed and listening to whole albums front to back with a good stereo system. Unfortunately, the last time I did this I was probably 14-15years old. Once music became more convenient to access via iPhones and streaming services, it became too convenient to appreciate on such a deep level. I think when you purchased a physical recording, it was a much more visceral experience because that item was your possession, you felt a connection to it. On the one hand, I love how music has become so convenient that I can listen to Mozart one second, and Smashing Pumpkins the next, but I do feel like something extra was lost in this modern transition.
Thankfully there are still cds and vinyl coming out. There are still so many artists discographies I want in my collection. I'm currently collecting linkin park, the birthday massacre, Britney spears, and Starset. I might get 8 Graves current EP release. Hopefully I can find some of their older stuff too same with mother mother.
You really had to save up money to listen to music. You had to get out of your house to the city and go back home. And then you only had the 10 songs of that album.
well said
Another aspect of convenient streaming is data loss/compression. RUclips, Spotify’s , etc music is basically an mp3 file so the original mastered version becomes an audiophiles nightmare. Tidal streaming does offer “lossless audio” but requires additional gear to “unfold” the master file. Their library is fairly extensive, not as much as the others yet but closing in. To put headphones on and get lost in a great LP like “Darkside of the Moon”, “Aja” or “Moontan”, etc, requires the Tidal app or an old school setup.
Well said
Being a gen z kid, hearing that this generation doesn't care about music is a huge shock for me because just about everyone I know loves music, regardless if they're a musician or not.
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As a music major who is also considered part of Gen Z, I can honestly say there is a difference between liking music and caring about it as a medium. Everyone likes music. Everyone has songs they can vibe with and listen to for comfort. But not everyone studies the history of their favorite genres or tries to understand the inner workings of it as an industry or as an art form. Not everyone can talk about how ragtime music would eventually lead into the birth of swing, which would lead into the era of jazz as a whole where the rules of classic music could and would be broken for the sake of musical freedom. Not everyone could talk about how guys like Miles Davis emerged a star after playing with guys like Charlie Parker, or how Michael Jackson became the King of Pop because how much more complex his instrumental rhythms were compared to others in his time. I know this whole comment might sound pretentious, and I apologize for that. But the point I’m trying to make is that while everyone likes music, the amount of people who love it enough to want to live in the world of music and make and produce it is less and less. It will never go extinct, but I feel like the limited amount of music stars people know about in the modern day is a sign that only a small few musicians who love the craft will find themselves pursuing it.
The point about gaming I think is just VERY WRONG, many musicians (me included) are musicians because of games like Zelda (Ocarina of Time in my case), also talking about Mario Kart, the last one from the Nintendo Switch is a GREAT introduction to jazz music for Gen Z kids, and I’m SURPRISED that Rick Beato PLAYED that game being a jazz musician himself and… didn’t listen to the music? What?
@@trevinodudemy nieces and nephews don't seem to care about a lot, nor think about anything analytically. I'm also worried about their compensation skills, as one watched the first Harry Potter movie for an assignment (summarize a movie) and his understanding of what happened was completely off. I'm not saying the problem is with them, but definitely parenting and the education system where most teachers don't care if the student is missing assignments, they just pass the child to not deal with them anymore. This has been a problem since I was a kid, and I saw some of my peers get passed when they should have been prepped more.
Another thing is my parents encouraged me to read, draw, be creative. Whereas it's very easy nowadays to have the kids be entertained with RUclips and Fortnite. I've seen many toddlers with tablets, and yes, there are a lot of apps that are helpful with education, but actually having a physical object in person is much more rewarding.
I don't think it's just in music that people (in general, not just gen z but I can also see it with my millennial peers) have minimal understanding in any topic. There's just so much history in the world that people get overwhelmed and disinterested. I love Bailey Sarian, but she starts off her podcasts with, "I always thought history was boring when I was in school, but now that I'm older, I'm discovering a lot of fascinating things that my teachers didn't care to cover" and it stinks that a lot of people didn't grow up with teachers that actually looked after their students.
@trevinodude Is true that less people appreciate music now? Not so sure.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 Idk either. I think people might still appreciate it, but perhaps don’t study the history of it anymore. Still, even without knowing all the history of how things became the way they are now, music is still around and people still vibe to it. So maybe it’s less that people don’t appreciate it anymore and more that people don’t appreciate it in the same way. It’s become a more simple love if anything.
As a musician I was talking with a pro football player one time. He said, “you know, all atheletes want to be musicians and all musicians want to be athletes”. I said, “l never wanted to be an athlete”. You are dead on.
My kids love playing videos games, watching others play videos games, and even want to MAKE video games. And they're constantly listening to the music that they're exposed to watching and playing these games. I also teach them how to play some of it on the piano. Maybe it isn't the entire picture, but games are a great vehicle for music, just like Anime and movies. Have you heard the music from Minecraft? It's beautiful!
How often have you ever seen someone close their eyes and just listen to the music whilst playing a video game? I suspect that the music is more for a spectator than the actual player. Just saying.🍺
@@blairleighton2393 minecraft music makes minecraft what it is.
@@blairleighton2393 that type of listening isn’t how gen zers take in the info. Music in video games can act as a motif, accompanying certain scenes, characters, or actions. Zoomers absorb the music while play games and lots of this music has made our way into our collective generational consciousness. Case in point: undertale, mii theme, wii sports, CoolMathGames, minecraft
Love your covers Ernesto!
@@blairleighton2393 a lot of people I know do this
We choose specific stages in games like Tekken or Street Fighter for the songs lol
Alot of my friends only listen to video game music
I don’t know, Rick. I’m sort of on the cuff between millennium and Gen Z, so not an authority, but I detect an increase in taste for music with video games. In fact that moment you described felt like that young one trying to bond with you over music that they enjoy (and that they probably have time to enjoy because the game is less stressful for them). Basically every major game from PC focus like Skyrim to Nintendo like Pokémon are praised for their music composition. People spend hours gushing over and learning the songs from video games (and I’d argue to a greater degree from anime). It’s not my world necessarily, but I do see it. I think there’s a disconnect between the way your generation collected and found music with today’s, but I wouldn’t call that a disinterest-just a difference.
I have to agree. I’m solidly in the middle of Gen X and have three Gen Z kids, and we all find music from RUclips, video games… I’ve looked up songs from a few words heard in a store. I see people online griping about how terrible modern music is and how they wish they’d been around in the 80s and I think… really? But you can get all that music and more with modern technology and never have to wear one stitch of neon! Shoot, there were songs I never got to buy in the 80s that I can buy individually now.
And some of the video game music is just amazing. I’ve bought songs from Portal I/II, Figment, etc. And I know a small indie band who started out singing Mills Brothers songs because they heard them in Fallout something or other, I think (FPS make me queasy so I don’t keep up). My kids LOVE music. I think Rick is dating himself a bit. He’s more than up to this challenge. Maybe we need to throw him some songs to review, lol.
Maybe the musical taste has become more sophisticated as a result of the video games’ music. 😊
I tend to agree. My son, born 1998, had parents who may have been too lax about his screen/gaming time. That said, he discovered music and listened to it repeatedly through video games, like the Fallout series. And some of the music he found predated me, a boomer! Gaming seemed to broaden his music horizon. Today, he’s a USMC officer who loves a wide range of music, from ‘40s big band swing to the Beatles to Rammstein.
@@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger music is definitely more accessible today ...too much exposure will dampen the demand... they dont even have record stores like Tower, i never see anyone looking at cds in Walmart.... in my day it was my favorite place to go if i had money to spend..... all that is GONE
True! When I watch a gamer and they play music in the background, there's always someone that asks if this is the soundtrack from 'this or that' game and they do rave about it. So they do enjoy music, but a different kind than I am listening to.
Good point, Michael!
My millennial little tidbit:
video game music is arguably one of the most underappreciated mediums of music there is. Koji Kondo and Nobuo Uematsu are genius composers up there with Hans Zimmer and John Williams - just to scratch the surface.
I'm a gen-x dude and I agree. The OSTs for a lot of video games are really good - from orchestral to metal to chip-tunes. There is so much good video game music.
I think Mick Gordon's work on 'Doom' also put more spotlight on game soundtracks in recent years too - some of the gnarliest metal, video game or not!
Not many, but there are few established movie/TV composers, who already for a long time, compose music for games. And its brilliant!
Prime example - Gustavo Santaolalla.
When I first played FF7, the thing that gripped me immediately at first was the music. It made me fall in love with music and gaming at the same time (especially the whole Final fantasy franchise, Uematsu is a genius).
Hey yo, imma let you finish, but Masayoshi Soken is the greatest composer of all time.
I love when an entire fucking generation of humans gets over-generalised about literally everything 🥰🥰🥰
me, born in 2003, who subscribed and hit the bell years ago lol
Same and born in 2002
Same but born in 92. We started it
2005 myself
@@tylerhackner9731 same
same here, born in 2004
For me it was a videogames that got me into music. I loved a game called little big planet when I was younger, the point of the game was to make your own levels and share them with other players. It allowed you not just to make the level but the music through a simple little built in music sequencer. That videogame was what got me really into making my own music and what really gave me a passion for it. It also gave me a lot more respect for videogame composers who are in my opinion the most underated music makers in the industry. But yeah more kids need to listen to more music, in fact I think everyone should have a bit more music in their lives
I'm 23, born in late 1999, i grew up with my mother (single mum), born in 1969, who really had great taste, i listened to alot of alternative rock, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, nirvana, jamiroquai, the smiths, curiosity killed the cat, some oasis, etc, but on the weekends i'd spend time with my grandparents (both born 1942) and they'd play me buddy holly, clarence ”frogman” henry, elvis, the beatles, the kinks, abba, queen, all the hits from their youth. That combination of the classic roots of rock, together with the then still pretty "modern" 2003-2007 sounding rock, as well as the odd new thing that'd come out, razorlight, kaiser cheifs, really set me up to have a great appreciation and intuitive feel for music. When i was about 9 i really got into hip hop and rap, and in my early teens i REALLY get into house music and electronic dance music, even started producing my own stuff. I am a Gen Zer (i think), and i just couldn't live without music. There's a song for every possible emotion, and no two songs make me feel the same.
There are kids that are very much into music, going to shows, buying and listening to records, etc. I include myself in that group. There are, equally, so many kids I know who don't really care about the music they listen to, or just listen to their dad's favorite old rock music. A lot of that stuff is good, but it doesn't get kids interested in all the cool music that's happening underground today because there's less of a pipeline from mainstream stuff to more interesting music.
Great topic. As a middle school teacher and college professor, I think the issue is that appreciating music requires being actively engaged with the material -- aka "listening" (as opposed to simply "hearing"). Music lovers actively pay attention and think about what they are listeing to in order and engage in and appreciate the artist's creative choices. It's the same with reading. For non-readers, reading requires too much effort. But people who love reading and love music are actively engaged with and emotionally invested in the material.
Except video game music
That’s the one thing we do
And it’s also where all the good music is now for the most part compared to what newer songs come out that aren’t
You saying I can't hear Jimi cause I'm white? Gonna say I can't dunk next?
I was born in 2008, and I absolutely adore music. Its my life. Ever since I was little I had always shown an interest in it, especially guitar. (Probably due to my dad being a guitarist). But that aside, now 16 years later I have been playing bass and guitar for 6 years! I adore anything gear, effects, anything that provides new sounds and musical possibilities. I love geeking out at huge consoles (Analog btw). And anything to do with music. I cant stand all that rap bullshit. Like what you like, but cmon. Listen to some REAL music. Zepplin, Steve Vai, Wojtek Pilichowski, Level 42, RedHotChiliPeppers, I could go on for days!
I’m Gen Z but video games is actually the main reason why I’m into music these days I was 14 playing a game called mafia 2 has a lot of songs from the 40’-50’s and that’s how I really got into rock then started discovering all different kinds of music from different eras and man I haven’t listened to modern day music since
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This is the same for me but the game of GTA san Andreas it made me fall in love with hard rock and grunge. the songs on the in game radio stations
@@allantomlinson6961 that's so crazy! that's how we got into those songs, but in the literal car on the radio 😂 we were reliant on the radio to discover songs cos we didn't have internet. man i sound 85 but im 38 😂
I was born in 2002, I’m 20 now. Music from videos games is actually what motivated me to seek music and play instruments. Rhythm and music games like Guitar Hero really introduced me to music like nothing else. Can’t forget about the iconic music of Mario Kart, Halo, Zelda, Forza, Doom, Animal Crossing etc. These game soundtracks are part of the reason I kept going back to these games. I believe game OST’s and the game itself go hand and hand.
me too dude
Same here. I play a lot of games with very good music! Although I often listen to Metal, Rock or Jazz, when playing Minecraft, I actively listen to the music when playing a Mario game or Mario Kart or some RPG. And I enjoy the music very much. But this is probably not the case for people who don't care about music. I don't think there is anyone who doesn't like ANY music, but some people just don't care... For me it is the opposite. My interest in music goes as far as listening to fantastic covers or OSTs of games I have never played before like the Pokémon games, Zelda, Metroid, Final Fantasy etc.
To my gaming experience, music has a vital point because without some background music, some games are just not as exciting. But that is not true for all games.
I think that what adds to that is that today's very popular PvP shooters like CS:GO, Fortnite, Overwatch don't have any good music or no music at all.
I guess it comes down to how good the music is, as in how well it will stay in your ear and how easy it can be recognized again, and how well you are doing in a game. If you need to focus on the controls to get the bare minimum done, of course you don't really listen to the music.
But there are a lot of games with incredible music out there and people who cherish that music, even when not playing the game:)
That's great, but you're kinda missing the point of this video.
Listen to Genshin impact music so F cool!
Same. The first ever song I composed was an Undertale remix xD
Gonna have to disagree. I'm in my early 20s and nearly every single person around me LOVES music of all types, in every genre you can think of. I think what's going on isn't that our generation doesn't care about music, it's that ROCK and GUITAR music have lost their place as the mainstream genre. Since your entire life (or at least career) revolves more or less around guitar and older styles of music and production, it makes sense that you think music has fallen off in younger generations.
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You obviously haven't watched much of his content.
@@rmcq1999 at his core, he is a guitar junkie, and thats fine.. so am I. I would assume he closer identifies to older music, played with actual instruments. So whenever it's being shoved off and put in the closet it hurts, it's a classic old guy move to blame the younger generation.
I think it's true that GenZ are more open to all sorts of genres & its quite rare to find someone who is loyal to a single genre/music-culture. But that's just my observation :)
It kind of has. I mean making music without instruments just isn't the same.
There are no more larger than life musicians and artists anymore. The artists from our time were from other planets. Their guitar playing, their singing, it was mesmorizing. Hearing AC/DC for the first time, or seeing Angus Young live, it was a phenomenon. It was like, who are these guys?? Or hearing singers like Steve Perry, Klaus Mein, David Coverdale, Axl Rose, it was supernatural, alien. EVH, Richie Sambora, or guys like Santana or John Fogerty that literally invented their own genre of sound to the point that they were sued for sounding like themselves 😂😂😂 What do kids know now? At best SOMETIMES they sorta recognize a song because it was in a video game, or in a movie scene, or maybe in a 15 second tik tok clip. That's as far as their curiosity for music goes.
You mentioned needing to save up $15 to buy an album when you were a teenager. The record industry was so afraid of the internet they decided to restructure for streaming which not only hurts artist revenue but made the next generation view the product as valueless. Kids have to put their money elsewhere and their hearts follow.
Agree, Music used to come in a full package of memories.
Ps. Streaming steals all those precious moments
@@mikexhotmailI totally agree
1. You heard it from the radio
2. You wait there with the radio open all day
3. You go to your friend's home who have a cassette recorder
4. The DJ piss you off since he randomly talking over the song.
5. Finally, you buy yourself that lovely album or single from the shop
6. Having a (silence) conversation with the shop owner (nodding at each other)
7. In bed reading all those lyrics cover to cover.
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That's an interesting observation. Glob, I'd love to see people looking into this
@@mikexhotmail I can empathize with you and your sense of nostalgia but for the most part the song remains the same regardless of the format being used to access the song, (with the sound of the classics on vinyl being an obvious exception). For the most part, I see the changes as being more for the better, especially in regards to the costs and access to a much wider variety of music. I still cherish my time growing up, hanging out at records stores and building up my record collection in my youth but I wouldn't change what we have today for what we had 40 years ago, except for the quality of the music being produced today.
As someone in their mid teens I totally agree with this video. I used to clock in hours of gaming every day but unlike music it doesn't have the same emotional connection. Once I got out of that and picked up the drums, my life changed drastically and I couldn't be more grateful. So many of my musician friends feel the same way and I am praying that more people get adopted into this fascinating culture.
Bullshit man. As a millenial music (mainly metal & emo) saved my life in the mid 2000s. Yall just don't get it.
@@kinkyxkitten666 I can’t tell if this is negative or not but at least me and the other guy aren’t a ton of mindless screen addicts unlike most people in our generation, at least we are aware of how terrifying it is knowing our entire generation is overran by a ton of screens, in fact most of them are so entranced with their device that barely any of them are aware of this issue so please for the love of Christ sake appreciate the fact that there are only a select few of us that can appreciate anything other than a stupid fucking phone 😤
@@kinkyxkitten666 isn't your experience the same as theirs pretty much? You're acting like he's not agreeing with you
Maybe play some games with music.. so many games have such amazing soundtracks. When you listen to them later it brings you back to the stories and emotions you felt.
@@kinkyxkitten666 The OP is literally saying he was wrong and he appreciates music "Once I got out of that and picked up the drums, my life changed drastically and I couldn't be more grateful".
Love your channel Rick, and appreciate your thoughts on this, but as a 43 year old gamer with a 13 year old son, this just doesn't reflect my own experiences at all. Mainly, I just can't easily separate music from video games, as they have both always gone together for me. I still have the rudimentary music from 1980s NES games permanently etched into my memory. And even with modern games, sometimes the musical compositions and choices really influence how much I enjoy a game while playing it. Probably the most extreme example for me is Destiny 2, when that game first launched it was pretty below average but the soundtrack was so good I felt like it worked to redeem an otherwise boring game.
And though my son is an avid gamer, it's very rare he isn't listening to music and/or switching between youtube music channels while gaming, as his two main interests are competitive shooters and playing violin.
There are lots of other examples, like musicians collaborating with Fortnite and even having 'in-game concerts,' and maybe my own son's deep love of music isn't representative of his generation, but I just don't see how it's possible to talk about music and video games like they are these completely separate realms.
Same here, 47 with three kids 18, 17, 12. They all love gaming and music is a huge part of their days. I 100% disagree with Rick in this video.
Hi Mike, you've peaked my curiosity with your final statement "I just don't see how it's possible to talk about music and video games like they are these completely separate realms." I guess I do see them as completely different realms in the sense that one is aural and one is visual/interactive. In Video games, similar to movie scores, the music is essentially background (yes, coming into foreground occasionally), there only to intensify the experience of playing the game. If you remove the music from the visual and interactive aspects of the game, you can still play the game. Keep the music but remove the visual or interactive aspect, you can't play the game, correct? I'm assuming you are saying that the three aspects of sound, vision and interaction have created a new artform or entertainment that gives a sensation, while you're in the game, of it being one single media experience in and of itself and these three aspects can no more be separated apart from one another than you could be separated from your eyes, ears and thumbs. And from one angle, I would agree with you. Take music out of the game and it the experience is diminished, very much like taking a soundtrack out of a movie or even muzak out of your shopping experience (not that I'm comparing soundtracks to Muzak, 'cus I'm not). The bigger point here I believe, and I could be wrong, is that music is becoming more and more background in today's society than perhaps in the past. There was a time when people would sit down and just listen to music and do nothing else. People still do. Those that do I'm betting are transported by it in the same way that reading a book can transport you. Reading a book or listening to music leaves something to the imagination, not that movies or gaming doesn't, but I would definitely say much less so. With a book, you are left to imagine the descriptions and what the author might be pointing at, to contemplate it. With music, there is just an arrangement of sound that can elicit great emotion, stimulate deep thought and overwhelm the senses, particularly with non-text music IMHO. All that from a collection of sounds. And by the way, there is only one other activity humans can do that uses more of your brain than music can, according to Daniel Levitin's book "This is Your Brain on Music"). There is a freedom of creativity during the experience of listening to it that you can't get in the same way from say, watching a movie or playing a video game (though I bet gaming is up there). Not saying one is better than the other, just that it provides one aspect that can't exactly be achieved with the other. I would hope that you might be able to separate music from the game, or at least listen to music that isn't in a game and find what I have found there. But then, you'd probably say the same thing thing to me, as I am not much of a gamer.
42 gamer with a 22 son. (don't think too hard about it) -- musician & IT guy. (again, it's cliche, shut up!) mike's comment is very similar to my experience. my son hates most modern artists. his favorite musician of all time is david bowie. video games aren't the bad guy here. music in games is huge, although it's heavily dependent on the game and the genre you're into.
if i had to point at a single influence that has limited newer generations interest in music predominantly, i'd have to say the marketing and behavior of the industry itself and a huge number of the very negative influences this channel have decried. (al la copyright limitations and idiocy)
check out alex moukala's youtube page and the associated communities.
Thought I’d chime in here too. 43 year old gamer with 21 year old son. He listens to video game soundtracks basically all day while he works (he’s a RUclipsr, cliché, I know 😂).
@@bila3618 What I meant was in response to Rick's argument, that there is a certain level of focus on the visual/interactive part of gaming that works against peoples' interest in music, whether it is in-game music or music on its own. Like Rick presents it as this 'either/or' zero-sum game, that the more people play games the less cognitive space they have to be interested in music, and with people like myself and my son, this has never been the case. My son has his own playlists of music he listens to while gaming, which I don't personally do anymore as I prefer games with good in-game soundtracks, but when I was younger this was pretty standard (I still can't listen to Nirvana's 'In Utero' Album without it conjuring up images of the original Star Fox game).
And I certainly enjoy music on its own, have been a drummer since my teens and still listen to a lot of music through the day, but I feel like the majority of people I went to high school with the the 1990s primarily only saw music as a background of their lives too. I didn't think those of us that dedicated time to reading zines, magazines, liner notes etc. to find new bands, sat around listening to music together, were really not representative of the 'typical' relationship with music. Just my own experiences though.
Rick just because you don’t understand how young people are listening to music doesn’t mean they don’t care about it. Do you think the parents of the rock and roll generation understood what was going on? It must’ve been very similar. “All kids do now is sit around and listen to records. When I was a kid we went to the bandstand and danced to the band.”
exactly
I was born in '90 and oddly enough, I actually give credit to a lot of the PS/PS2 skate, BMX, and racing games' soundtracks for getting me into my first "my bands" that weren't just my parents' music. Stuff like Tony Hawk 1&2, Grind Session, Dave Mira, Need for Speed all had great punk and alt rock/metal bands playing in the background.
The San Andreas soundtrack was a big one for me
Absolutely, also Gran Turismo 2, Sled Storm, Jet Set Radio... which reminds me that started making music on a Playstation software haha. Video games and music where totally connected throughout my teenage years, not only did I pay attention to the music while playing, I discovered tons of bands and musical projects playing games.
@@Thomas-qi7hx Born in '98. GTA Vice City was the seed for the musical fruits that I reap today. Funny how a single piece of art (VC) shaped my vision over another different type of art (Music).
Crazy Taxi, Burnout and the Sonic Adventure games had some killer band music too. The late 90s-early 2000s had incredible video game music with real instrumentation!
ATV off road fury introduced me to SOAD, Tony hawk absolutely had some bangers, guitar hero too tbh
Rick, I also think that "being a musician" was part of a lifestyle change that gave young people freedom - they would have rehearsals and gigs that got them out of the house without their parents. They would eventually go on the road to support larger acts and maybe get some studio work or become roadies or technicians that set up for shows. Young musicians got more independence, and if they started earning money with their music, even more independence. With the cost of living now, most young people can't achieve independence no matter what they do. Most families don't have a space a kid could practice much less have a band rehearse (you need at least a garage for that). If kids can do it alone in a room with a computer, they do it, but if they need the space and money to connect IRL with others, it just doesn't happen. Also, parents have conditioned the recent generation to be more afraid of meeting people IRL. You can't be like that and be in a band.
This is definitely a shift on the whole. Leaving aside music lesson parents used to just send their kid outside to play. "Get out of the house!" We'd go to the park or walk into town or some of my freind tooks the damn subway at 9, 10, 11 into freaking New York when it was dangerous.
Underrated comment. Also, a lot of teenagers and young people these days probably have to work in addition to going to school and doing chores and whatever else is demanded of them. Where are they supposed to find the time for music lessons or practice? Instruments are expensive, too, and music education in the US is in shambles.
...Nah, must be the video games. 😂
@@popoff7808 that's illegal in most of america now. People have gone to jail for letting their kids play in thier own back yard (not front yard, back yard).
I'm gen z, but I'm almost 20. Personally I've always loved music. I don't really play video games, haven't since I was younger. But I love the music from earthbound and undertale. Definitely some of the best OSTs.
Same but I play games as well
Yeah. EarthBound is a damn underrated game and has a special place in my heart.
how much time do you spend on social media?, I disagree with Rick, though it's undoubtedly a number of things combined but I think social media has replaced that need to connect with people you don't know through music
Wow, a 20-year-old has heard of Earthbound?? Didn't that come out for the Super Nintendo in ~1994? I spent untold amounts of time playing that game as a kid. Are there even functional hard copies of it anymore, given that the battery backup often dies after this long?
Undertale has INCREDIBLE music!
Although this comes off a bit bitter. I see where he’s coming from. As a 22 yr old I can acknowledge that music most likely MEANT so much more back then. And I think it has a lot to do with our culture of excess. There’s no commonality or nationwide zeitgeists anymore. The internet has brought us closer and somehow farther from each other. It’s a big can of worms that I’m not about to paragraph but yeah I agree mostly with what he’s saying.
I don't know, I think Gen Z people are, like Louis Armstrong sang in his most famous song, "I hear babies cry / I watch them grow / They'll learn much more / Than I'll never know". It's incredible what these kids are capable of. They become professional programmers in 16, professional musicians in 8, and professional bloggers in 10. I'm a millennial myself and I'm baffled by their talents and skills. As for Tutorial Generation, I tend to disagree, because tutorials and teachers always have been and will be forever the only way to go forward. Music is people's business, and the practice of sharing ideas and tricks will always be here, but self-education got better that's for sure. Recently, I wanted to learn how to solve a Rubik's cube, and I thought I'll buy some courses on Udemy or books. I purchased a couple of courses and books, got frustrated, went to RUclips, and found some of the best cube-solving tutorials for free, and after a couple of weeks was already under 1:30 minutes on average. The work element is still there! I think it's the same thing with music - streaming made music available like never before, but maybe it's a good thing? Maybe it's the way music should be. I think Bach and Mozart would kill to get Spotify back in their day. Same with tutorials - having great tutorials at hand means you simply have NO EXCUSES not to learn, so if one really wants to learn something, he's got everything to progress as fast as possible. When I was learning to play in the mid-2000s, the Internet in Russia was in a pretty weak shape, and good tutorials were rare or expensive. I wish I'd get all the perks of 2020s Internet education! But you know what? As I learned "the old school way", and for all the people like me, who are making tutorials, it's our job to combine the best from the new with the best from the old, that's the best way to think about it. There's no best way to learn, it's just learning.
Good comment
I have an engineering degree and not only is every class I've ever taken on youtube, but there's dozens of versions of every class with better teachers than I ever had. I see college today as a complete waste of time and money. I think higher education will become an individual counselor recommending which tutorials to watch and assigning and grading illustrative problem sets. Given that you barely ever use anything that you learn in the classroom in your professional job, I think you could come out better educated in 2 years than a person in a four year degree program.
Yes good point (great point actually) but.....Mozart and Bach didn't have all before them like we do and they wouldn't have been innovators if they had tutorials to learn from
And.... alot of tutorials can be good but they tend to distract and pull people away from really really taking a lesson and making it their own (actually making it a part of their vocabulary and putting it to musical use) ..Unless they really focus and concentrate on that one tutorial and don't jump from video to video trying to take in as more than they are ready for. Trust me I was that guy 🙋♂️ I'd watch a video and go "yeah I totally get that, understand that" but then move on to another video and not really take home the previous video. At some point it just becomes a jarbled mess of info if you don't take the time to "take it home" and make it a part of your playing or vocabulary
I think you've made an excellent point about how younger people experience music today, but its also fair to note that many kids don't have as much free time as we did growing up. For us it was "get out and be home by dinner, don't be late and I don't care if you don't have a watch!". Today's kids are shuffled from activity to activity, and when they do get together they're gaming at someone's house. So they've lost their autonomy compared to what previous generations experienced, and that plays into the social elements you bring up. I've taught guitar since 1990 and I've always encouraged my students to bring me their music so I can show them how to play it. There is no dominant trend among them at this point, everyone likes something different. Also, music is cheap now, even free. Three hours work at Culver's pays for your spotify subscription for the month with money left over for lunch, instead of just getting you one album that you're going to agonize over as you choose it. So with limited time, little social reward, and little required commitment music has become more of an accessory, not something they are openly passionate about. They don't really know that the option exists, merely liking it seems enough.
That’s spot on!
I would disagree to a point. The number of overlooked kids are small compared to how you believe.
@@sbyrstall so what is the basis of your opinion? Mine comes from teaching teenagers for over 30 years. "overlooked" is not a word I would use, but "overworked" is apt, I think. So waddya got?
I hate that about the modern age.. how kids are just shuffled from place to place activity to activity. Non stop. Go go go hurry up! What happened to get us here? My wife, kids and I were at the park the other day and saw some 9 year old-ish boys playing without parental supervision and she (31 years old) made a comment "Where are these kids parents at?!" To which I replied.. honey.. I was roaming the streets at 4 years old with a fake plastic toy rifle and a cowboy hat and everyone else was too in the 90s.. Gawd.. i don't want my kids to grow up full blown addicted to video games, sheltered and without autonomy.. I hope they love music as much as I do.
Yeah I see this also the Interests are vary varied today you find for everything a community and the young people have vastly different interests a lot like things like Vodeogames and some also are into the whole Anime / Manga Community some like Marvel and/or DC, some are interested in technology and Watch MKBHD or Linus Tech Tips, some care more about lifestyle topics such as fashion and make up, some are into bodybuilding or at least sports or exercising and some even are really into music / certain genres of Music like the K-pop or J-pop Fans some folks like Matall or bands like Nirvana or even Queen or The Stones. In the past you had mostly just one dominant Pop / Music Culture at a time today everything is much more varied the downside of this is that there is barely any universal common thing besides maybe Mainstream Hollywood Movies anymore because everyone likes different stuff so people stay in their community’s most of the time or they just have contact to other community’s with simulier interests like the whole “Nerd” community where you have shared interests in between the sub communities like Videogames are liked by the Anime Fans and Western Superhero Fans alike also the cosplay community where you have people where some dress up ad Superheroes some as Anime / Manga Characters and some as Videogame Characters Western and Japanese and at most conventions they all there simultaneously so there is some overlapping between all those sub interests
Video gaming has actually played a role in bringing back/rejuvenating a lot of music. I considering myself a music buff but Grand Theft Auto introduced me to L7's "Pretend We;re Dead: and what to me was a new band.
yeah ... GuitarHero/Rockband practically got me listening to bands I had forgotten about or ignored when I was a kid.
Then there was Rock Smith ... which unlike GuitarHero/Rockband used an actual guitar.
Heck, even got myself a guitar just to feel what it is like and even though I royally sucked at it ... hitting the few notes I could felt awesome.
(I really should find myself time to play / learn for real)
Listening to the Doom soundtrack (the original Bobby Prince ones) enough times, and then branching out into the songs and bands that he heavily borrowed from is a big part of what made me a metalhead.
I remember driving around in GTA San Andreas while listening Free Bird, i didn’t have any idea about rock music at that time. Hell my inner 8 yo already feel amazed with that song, i guess it doesn’t work at this gen because gaming become more competitive and less fun.
It makes other aspect like music and artstyle unnoticed because the player too focused on the game
Same. GTA San Andreas exposed/reminded me of several great pieces/bands that I'd otherwise never entertain...
Guitar hero, guitar smith, rock band, tony hawk pro skater, dave mirra bmx, dirt series and sooooo many other games....Was a very unfortunate video of Ricky, he just dont understand gaming.
After reading more comments here I am learning alot. One thing that stands out to me is how the media likes to put a label on everything. I believe it is offensive to call younger people Gen z, because that tends to separate people. We are all on this big blue marble together. That's why I enjoy your forum Rick. Us hippies are no longer cool Man time to pass the torch 😂. Seriously remember, Together we stand, divided we fall. God bless America and this World.
Mario kart 8 actually has amazing music for such a game. Songs are performed live and the musicians had a chance to improvise on the tracks.
😂😂
I agree the Mario kart band goes so hard I actually am thinking “does anyone else hear how hard the band is playing right now?”
The song in mk8 is just too good that it fits every aspect of the game.
but no one who isn't bored with their mariokart addiction/videogame obsession tend to notice until waaaaaay after the time they are exposed to it: no song ever gets to make a first impression that isn't directly tied to some sort of media property/video game.
@@johncarver9997i don't think even you know what youre trying to say
TLDR:
Zoomers - "wait, we like music"
Millenials - "video games got me IN to music"
Boomers - "The video game IS their instrument!!!"
Me: all three
Xers: "Here we are now. Entertain us."
As a Gen Z-er, I would describe my experience as the exact opposite of the trend that is going on today. I started out 2013-2016 loving video games and youTube streaming my Markipiler, Pewds, Jacksepticeye etc, and then, Spotify became a thing, and put on Beethoven's Appassionata and Moonlight Sonata, and that blew my freaking brains out about what music could do, the expressivity, directness, and profundity. I have quit gaming since, for better or for worse :)
That is so cool! :)
@@BenderdickCumbersnatch honestlyits weird that it turned out that way but classical music and just good music in general changed my life more than games ever could, switched from banging a qwerty keyboard to an 88 note keyboard LOL
can tell by your vocabulary that youre cut form different cloth than most zoomers
Even though I never quit gaming, I still agree with you as I love going through the history of music and how it has evolved over the countless years.
The point about gaming I think is just VERY WRONG, many musicians (me included) are musicians because of games like Zelda (Ocarina of Time in my case), also talking about Mario Kart, the last one from the Nintendo Switch is a GREAT introduction to jazz music for Gen Z kids, and I’m SURPRISED that Rick Beato PLAYED that game being a jazz musician himself and… didn’t listen to the music? What?
As a millennial this is a garbage take. Music has always been an outsider hobby. If anything the discord chats and twitch communities I follow show more people getting deeper into music production than ever before. The difference is a Daw replaced your sheet music. Boomers are legitimately hell-bent on dividing generations because they are finally on the outside for the first time and assume it's everyone else’s problem to fix (I realize the irony in calling out their generation, but it's frankly unavoidable and im doing it with the intention of encouraging them to drop the habit).
So different from my experience with video games. I was born in 2000 and started to develop a taste for instrumental music (orchestra, etc) solely because of the games I've played like God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Nintendo classiscs and so on.
What instruments do you play?
@@DeadDreams120 I play the Classical Guitar. You can check some videos of me playing it in my channel.
Tell it like it is! I think he’s gonna have to ask a lot more of your generation before making this assessment. My kids all love music and video games.
Music can do something really beneficial for the brain even if they don’t play music or an instrument, it can open up the spacial design abilities, which is beneficial for many jobs which use that intelligence.
I'm in the same boat. I'm 22 now and have playing games for most of my life. One of my favorite parts of a good game or media in general is the music. Grew up playing orchestral and symphonic instruments before eventually settling into playing my Electric Bass Guitar the most. Music is and has always been a huge part of my life, and it shall continue to be so
interesting point, times are different now. thought I believe good music will blend well with gaming. just combine music with video games ;)
It already is. Game soundtracks are some of the most impressive music around today. Look at the song In The Balance from the FFXIV soundtrack, or anything from Nier
Gaming music, for the most part, has been amazing since the 8 bit era.
@@TangoWithTheCobra Yep. Tons of amazing soundtracks, not to mention games that specifically incorporate music into the gameplay, like with rhythm games
hi Alan Walker
Cool to see you around K-391, I grew up really liking your music
It’s mostly because their parents don’t care. I’ve always listened to good music of all generes and eras with my kids since the day they were born. As older teenagers they all like good rock add alternative bands, sing in high school choir and play the guitar, bass and piano. I couldn’t be prouder but my wife and I did gently push them in that direction until their love of music took over.
Happy that worked out for you...it's what most good parents want.. unfortunately they're all different and doesn't matter what u do it's just not what they're interested in...doesn't mean their parents don't care...just that their kids weren't receptive..til they were older..🤘😁🎸🙏❤️.... parents have enough on them these days..
It's a different time now...there's so much cooler stuff than hearing music..it's about gaming..
You're very lucky you have in your country lots of possibilities to learn music in school later in high schools or university here in continental Europe we lost that path except if you personally learn music more than schools. Initiation
@@badbotchdown9845 yes I agree I was just thinking about how it was for me in Early grades... learning the theory and playing instruments and banging the block and ringing the triangle...it sets the stage in the most important years.. unfortunately my kids did not choose to pursue music in high school although they have followed their own interests w passion so I'm certainly proud of them regardless of their take on music...we are losing them to the internet...same is happening w sports....we are slowly losing our Creative arts..
@@ericwarrington6650 My kids results weren’t an accident or blind luck. Especially until puberty, parents choose what influences their children will have be it music, sports, tv or gaming. I also firmly believe that going to church also instilled a sense of community and obligation in my boys. In today’s world many parents abdicate responsibility for those things to schools and social media.
I'm 15, been into music since I was about 11-12 ish and it frustrates me that nobody around me gets ANYTHING. They barely know of the Beatles, nevermind Clash, Sabbath, BB King, Bring Me The Horizon, Metallica, Oasis, Blur, Led Zeppelin, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, David Bowie, Eric Clapton, Pearl Jam, Good Charlotte, Run-DMC, Aerosmith, etc. "Rock" to them is anything from Imagine Dragons to Esophogus (not even sure the genre but VERY heavy)
I'm 18 and I absolutely love music. I gotta say, the biggest genre that got me into music is metal. It has expanded my taste so much and even got me to listen to different genres. I now have a goal to make my playlist as big and diverse as possible, maybe even as big as my dad's playlist, which has over 18k songs. I've got a long way to go as I only have 1.7k so far
I'm 19 years old and music is one of the ways I cope with my mental health, and it's simply a way to express myself. Because music is my voice when I can't speak or stand up for myself, and it's one of the ways I can get others to hear what I have to say without directly saying it. Most of the time, the music I listen to reflects my mood. Music is the way I get through tough stuff, and it helps me connect with dark and deep emotions without any judgment in sight. I hope to create a multilingual, world music with different genres, and an overall diverse playlist because it helps me connect with different cultures around the world.
Im a millenial at 30 now
I gotta say the genre that you chose..it never lets you down it sticks with you in your thick and thin. Metal is a way of life and so nice to hear that 18 yo are into metal.. I was freaking out about why genz isnt into metal!!
@@aniket19931993i see lots of gen z metalheads where i live. Although living in Finland might have something to do with it.
Im a gen z. I actually have the complete opposite idea, that video games introduces music to children. So many of the games I love has so much good music and soundtracks in them that me and my friends of the same age bond with. Like Minecraft, basically all the Nintendo games (zelda especially), undertale, terraria, gta san andreas, 4 and 5. We fkn jam to all of those. So I would like to thank all the games for showing me so much great music over the years, both original and by featured artists.
C418 is a legend
This is certainly not true for everyone - lots of people get into music through movies, games, etc. But the thing I perceive the most as being problematic is the shift we have undertaken over the last 100 years from music experience being one of active engagement to one of passive. The advent of recording technology started this shift at the turn of the 20thc and has only accelerated over the last few years. We also cannot use "top charts" as a way to measure any of this. There is so much music out there and people love it. There are kids learning musical instruments, technology, recording, etc. Traditional instrumental music in schools of the US (for example) are very strong still and there are so many avenues to make music. But as a music educator I have, over the last 10 years, noticed a significant decline in students' general pitch and beat competency. We have to work harder and harder to get kids to hear music more closely, make music, and be able to have a good personal sense of beat/rhythm. This comes from the lack of community/home music engagement - i.e. the result of passive musical experiences. This is my largest concern, rather than anything having to do with what kind of music is out there.
yeah I got into Misfits by seeing the logo on the back of someone's jacket in a movie
true that, it used to take a lot of effort and money to go out and buy a CD of an artist. You would then want to listen to the whole CD since you bought it.. you look at the artwork, the lyrics..
yeah it seems a lot of people think music is a thing done only be certain people with certain talents, and only as a potential way to make money. If you can't make money from something, or get social clout from it, don't do it. That's not what music is about.
Music, especially music making is food for the soul and should be as common as painters and artists in school, it should be held at the same level instead music is some extra curricular class that "band kids" take and we all know the stereotypes associated with a "band kid" no one wants to be a band kid in this generation, even though that is a largely made up stereotype from exaggerated judgment and assumptions
I was in band all four years of high school and I ran the drumline for three of them (2016-2019). I can tell you hands down that out of 180+ band kids, about maybe the top 30 wind ensemble students could keep competent pitch and pulse while the other majority just couldn’t piece those parts together. There was this weird reputation I had as lead Snare that I was this god of rhythm counting and even would explain things to the whole band because not a single other person could count through funky or agogic accents. It’s not that I was this genius they made out, but I just did my own research and practice enough at home and school to learn everything I could. The others just didn’t have that commitment or work ethic I guess as I did.
I know very few people under 50, who have an interest in learning to play an instrument . I'm 73, my brothers and I all took music lessons as children and grow-up playing several instruments. We loved buying sheet music and listening to all kinds of music. Most houses had pianos even really poor kids and I am still thrilled by soundtracks. I picked up harp and flute since the pandemic and I love having something that can reflect my inner feelings the way playing or appreciating music. I admit that much of the music I listen to now is coming from outside the US. it's just more interesting and not afraid to go deeper.
Just as a counter-balance, I know plenty of kids aged 5 - 10 learning an instrument or wanting to. I also know many teens playing music or at least listening to it.
I found a vintage Gun Smoke arcade game on eBay for $3400. We should all get it for Rick for his birthday!
Oh only $3400 lol. Did n't they sell for like 20 bucks originally?
A cheaper alternative would be to get him a consolized MiSTer FPGA with Gun Smoke loaded on it with a Namco GunCon 3! I love this idea either way!
As a Gen X parent raised on the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and various other groups and musicians, I’ve been able to pass the love of music on to my Gen Z daughters. It also helps that they’re both musicians as am I, with music constantly played in the house/college apartments, which I think has been the difference for them.
Same demographics here and my love of music taught to me by my parents, translated into my gen Z daughter’s love of music. I still take them to live shows and they take me to artists’s shows they find.
I think the copyright protection has been very detrimental to music growing through social media and the internet gaming, etc . Because of this streamers, youtubers, etc. have used generic non copyright music in it's place. I think the industry missed opportunities to connect with younger generations. I mean, there is even a tictok music channel on xm radio now.
Being late 30's I remember games such as Gran Turismo introducing music from STP, The Cardigans, etc. I don't think games have music like that now.
The early Tony Hawk video games had great soundtracks too!
Alot of the video games of my teenage years shaped my taste in music, tony hawk, grand theft auto, gt, wipeout. Completely agree on the streamer point
great point! by creating a wall around the music they made it inadvertently made it irrelevant!
@@bigadz23261 wipeout, yes...
The music I noticed and liked in video games was all video game music. But a lot of it was great. That's something they could also pay attention to.
Games and music dont exclude eachother. I play games, create and listen to music, its all good.
A lot of video games have beautiful soundtracks. For me the music is one of the most important components of a game. These days the music to games like Zelda and Final Fantasy is performed by orchestras in concert. A lot of RUclipsrs do their own awesome renditions of video game music too.
I'm a younger millenial (28) and I tend to listen to video game music more than regular music. The way the game made me feel and the fun memories I had playing it makes the music bring those feelings back to me when I listen to it kind of similar to what he said at 2:10 espically the games I played in childhood.
Video game music? That’s part of the problem with gen Z. In order for them to appreciate music it must be accompanied by video games, action, etc. The music alone should be interesting without the video game portion.
@@kckstnd8 Some people listen to video game music without playing the games. I sometimes put some pokemon bgm tracks on youtube because some of the tracks are relaxing or beautiful. RUclipsrs like GlitchxCity make remixes of their favorites. Heck games like persona 4 and 5 even have vocals in their soundtracks and they're wonderful. I'll listen to other artists albums and buy them on cd too. Music is everywhere if you listen. ( although game soundtracks are hard to buy physically. Some aren't even available that way)
@kckstnd8 video game OSTs are just better because that's where all the talent in music ends up these days.
The video game industry pays well and needs plenty of composers and musicians at all times. You can realistically expect to earn a living making music for video games.
Compare that to Rock and roll. You're never getting on the radio because Clearchannel figured out that they can license the same 20 songs forever and nobody would notice. You're not replacing any of those 20.
That's not even getting into the whole thing with rock stars being cringe regime puppets. That's a totally different discussion.
The industry killed rock and roll and nobody is going to waste their life trying to save it. They're just going to find life elsewhere.
ABC Classic radio in Australia has a show called Game Show which exclusively features gaming music. Some of it is amazing and there is obviously a market for it on its own, otherwise they wouldn’t bother making a radio show out of it.
Great discussion Rick. I agree with a lot of points here (how addicting and enjoyable Video Games are). However I think your overarching statement about Gen Z not being into music isn't accurate overall. My experience as a remixer of video game music has been that video game music plays a HUGE role in a lot of young people's lives. What's new is the DELIVERY of that music (being that it's in video games, not being bought in a record store or seen on MTV). But I can say that the reaction to my arrangements of video game music (being performed with a guitar) is that young kids still admire musicianship and the traditional art of performing and composing music. Wasn't 2020 like the year that the most guitars were ever sold? I'm sure a large chunk of that had to be younger folks.
Music being in video games doesn't diminish the emotion and power that video game music delivers and the impact that it can have on a young person to want to learn music theory or learn to play an instrument. Many video games have music that have actual instruments as well. I can't even imagine how many kids went out and bought an 8 string guitar after they heard Rip and Tear from Mick Gordon. Mario kart is an interesting example because I totally agree that it can be hard to focus on the music when you're getting green shelled into oblivion. But that's a unique example. When you look at TONS of other games (Undertale is a great example), the music IS the game. And this isn't a niche example. Gaming is a way to deliver music just as much as music is a way to support the game (if that makes sense)
Anime is also another vehicle to deliver music to kids that's outside of gaming. Anime puts a lot of emphasis on music in a way that western media doesn't do as much. The music is a huge component to it and it wouldn't be the same if the music was more subdued. Gen Z LOVES music from Anime.
Anyway I'm just rambling now but I hope this can offer a different perspective on it. I don't think your points are incorrect I just think if you played some more games that weren't as hectic, you'd be able to really dive into the music more and experience what so many gamers experience musically.
Very great points you've made! It's really nice to see you here! loved your work with insaneintherain on sinnohvation! Which that album is another example of how much of an impact video game music can make on kids growing up.
I think you've got it on lock here. When he brought up that the kids asked him if he liked the music from Mario Kart I feel like he was *so close* to getting it and then it slipped past.
Very well put however I do think that what you're describing is the minority. I can not get my kids to at a decent story driven video game ify life depended on it. Nor do they want to learn an instrument.....they play instruments for school because it's in the curriculum.....I tried reaching them bass and they just lose interest. Something has gone seriously wrong with attention spans and gratification. Everything is all too instant now.
Buy yes. There is the odd glimmer of hope in an amazing game or movie that changes my mind from time to time but by and large.....I have lost faith.
Yes! I've seen your 007 Goldeneye 64 songs!! Great work man!
@@adambickford2406 I think you're actually in the minority, It's really an unfortunate thing that you can't get your kids into certain things, but ultimately it's up to them, you can't force it! Just hope that they come across some form of media that gives them that spark of inspiration and creativity.
As a millennial with a gen Z brother, this topic is super interesting to me. Growing up, I had a very limited exposure to music I was limited by whatever TV channels I was watching, my peers, my location and language and probably my social class played a huge role on which music I was exposed to. I of course also lived with the internet later on and so I had the opportunity to discover all types of music, I'm not anymore limited by location or language.
My brother learned a lot of new music from me when he was a kid (we're 16 years apart), from the beginning he was exposed to all sorts of music. Now, he and his friends listen to music from all over the globe. Like he introduced me to awesome songs I've never heard of from Georgia (the country). It's so interesting to me how he and his friends are so 'global' musically. It's fascinating. I'm interested to see how that will effect his relationship to music when he's my age.