@@jbudlo2 yes this will be just as slow as buses unless they’re given traffic light priority. The only benefit I see in the streetcar is higher capacity as of now.
Need much more light rail in OC, PLUS have the Metrolink running to Union Station more often and later. I'd never drive again if I didn't have to. I'd also never drive to Los Angeles for anything if the Metrolink ran all through the evening up until 1:00 a.m. or so on F/Sa. We'd be able to do a myriad of activities in L.A. County without worrying about parking fees or having a car broken into. It's really difficult trying to commute responsibly to L.A. when the last train to O.C. leaves Union Station at 6:30 p.m. and it takes forever to get your connection on time on a bus or the few Metro subway lines.
Metrolink is adopting pulse scheduling which should be adopted sometime this year (I think). For the OC line, train trips will increase from 20 to 30 per weekday. They are adding in more SB trips in the morning and NB trips in the evening to fill in the day. It's definitely a start! Late night Metrolink would be amazing, especially for Disney trips!
It already serves the Santa Ana Transit Station where you could use Metrolink to make the connection. Wouldn't it be redundant to have it serve the same stations as Metrolink? I would personally prefer it to serve popular destinations such as Outlets at Orange, Main Place Mall, Hospitals in Orange, South Coast Plaza, John Wayne airport and maybe UCI?
@@andrewkeller1117 I lived on OC from 2014 to 2016. The county has the population for LRT. It amazes me that city like Dallas has less population, already has the DART train. Literally the DART buses are empty, Estimated wait time for buses is literally every 30 mins in city limits. Having lived in OC, many folks are against public transit, then they move here to Dallas and depend on the DART train like they have no other means, thats very pathetic. My recommendation is to ignore people. Many people here are against public transit, then the suburb folks ride the train to go to the State fair, concerts, downtown dallas events, etc. Trust me people do not know until you put it out there.
After living in OC from Santa Ana, Fullerton, Brea & La Habra. I created several lines. There should be at least 3 lines. Line 1, from La Habra to John Wayne Aiport. Line 1 Via Downtown Brea, Cal state Fullerton, Angel Stadium, Anaheim Transit center, Outlets AT orange, Santa college, Bristol Corridor, South Coast Plaza & JohnWayne. Train is elevated and runs on freeway medium top speed is 68 mph. Going at 45 mph in shorter stops.
Late response, Line 2 will run along Harbor Blvd, similar to Skytrain, it will be elevated. This line along with line 1 will terminate at Beach Blvd by westmount Apts in La Habra. The lines will run above the existing lines. Then line 2 will split southward on Harbor Blvd, make a station on imperial and Harbor. The line can then go to Fullerton College & Downtown Fullerton w/ Fullerton transit. Then Orangethorpe Shopping, La Palma park, Downtown Anaheim, Disneyland, Chapman, Great Wolf Lodge, Santa Ana Harbor Blvd, terminating at Balboa Island. Unfortunately this is just my imagination.
This is cool and all, but one thing which really excites me that I noticed in this video is protected bike lanes! I didn't know Santa Ana had these. Gotta get up there from Lake Forest to experience a taste of modern biking infrastructure.
They messed up with this. You should not have cars driving on the rail line. It should have been a dedicated lane for rail. That means the train will have to wait behind cars and will probably be slow. Arrow in Redlands did the street car right.
That’s something I think they will be dealing with later on. If not, you can always write a letter about this to OCTA. They’ll probably find a a way to deal with that
@@bendayhoe it’s just we have the same issue in Dowtown la where the train runs on the streets and has to wait for cars. And it adds another 10 minutes to the trip. That time could be saved it the tracks were buried. Or separate from cars lanes.
What makes a streetcar superior to a bus if they both have to travel in mixed-traffic? How is the streetcar competitive to driving if the vehicles get stuck in traffic?
Dedicated right of way is extremely important.
... as is traffic-signal prioritization.
Yes, I'm confused how the streetcar is more effective than a bus in this scenario.
@@jbudlo2 yes this will be just as slow as buses unless they’re given traffic light priority. The only benefit I see in the streetcar is higher capacity as of now.
Good job, OCTA. Can’t wait to ride. We need a whole lot more of this all over the OC.
Need much more light rail in OC, PLUS have the Metrolink running to Union Station more often and later. I'd never drive again if I didn't have to. I'd also never drive to Los Angeles for anything if the Metrolink ran all through the evening up until 1:00 a.m. or so on F/Sa. We'd be able to do a myriad of activities in L.A. County without worrying about parking fees or having a car broken into. It's really difficult trying to commute responsibly to L.A. when the last train to O.C. leaves Union Station at 6:30 p.m. and it takes forever to get your connection on time on a bus or the few Metro subway lines.
Metrolink is adopting pulse scheduling which should be adopted sometime this year (I think). For the OC line, train trips will increase from 20 to 30 per weekday. They are adding in more SB trips in the morning and NB trips in the evening to fill in the day. It's definitely a start! Late night Metrolink would be amazing, especially for Disney trips!
Bring it down Main Street to ARTIC!
It already serves the Santa Ana Transit Station where you could use Metrolink to make the connection. Wouldn't it be redundant to have it serve the same stations as Metrolink? I would personally prefer it to serve popular destinations such as Outlets at Orange, Main Place Mall, Hospitals in Orange, South Coast Plaza, John Wayne airport and maybe UCI?
Amazing job! Let’s keep it going and expand to John Wayne Airport, and go to Anaheim through Disneyland
💯 and maybe Orange Outlets, Main Place Mall, South coast plaza, Segerstrom, UCI?
@@andrewkeller1117 I lived on OC from 2014 to 2016. The county has the population for LRT. It amazes me that city like Dallas has less population, already has the DART train. Literally the DART buses are empty, Estimated wait time for buses is literally every 30 mins in city limits. Having lived in OC, many folks are against public transit, then they move here to Dallas and depend on the DART train like they have no other means, thats very pathetic. My recommendation is to ignore people. Many people here are against public transit, then the suburb folks ride the train to go to the State fair, concerts, downtown dallas events, etc. Trust me people do not know until you put it out there.
After living in OC from Santa Ana, Fullerton, Brea & La Habra. I created several lines. There should be at least 3 lines. Line 1, from La Habra to John Wayne Aiport. Line 1 Via Downtown Brea, Cal state Fullerton, Angel Stadium, Anaheim Transit center, Outlets AT orange, Santa college, Bristol Corridor, South Coast Plaza & JohnWayne. Train is elevated and runs on freeway medium top speed is 68 mph. Going at 45 mph in shorter stops.
Late response, Line 2 will run along Harbor Blvd, similar to Skytrain, it will be elevated. This line along with line 1 will terminate at Beach Blvd by westmount Apts in La Habra. The lines will run above the existing lines. Then line 2 will split southward on Harbor Blvd, make a station on imperial and Harbor. The line can then go to Fullerton College & Downtown Fullerton w/ Fullerton transit. Then Orangethorpe Shopping, La Palma park, Downtown Anaheim, Disneyland, Chapman, Great Wolf Lodge, Santa Ana Harbor Blvd, terminating at Balboa Island. Unfortunately this is just my imagination.
@@andrewkeller1117I agree south coast plaza, UCI and great park would be a great addition
This is cool and all, but one thing which really excites me that I noticed in this video is protected bike lanes! I didn't know Santa Ana had these. Gotta get up there from Lake Forest to experience a taste of modern biking infrastructure.
Love to see them incorporating more walkable and bike able infrastructure!
Looks nice.
They messed up with this. You should not have cars driving on the rail line. It should have been a dedicated lane for rail. That means the train will have to wait behind cars and will probably be slow. Arrow in Redlands did the street car right.
That’s something I think they will be dealing with later on. If not, you can always write a letter about this to OCTA. They’ll probably find a a way to deal with that
Well its obviously not a Chinese bullet train. Yankess falling behind big time! 😂
Arrow is not a streetcar but otherwise I do agree.
Tucson, Portland, and Kansas City seem to be doing okay having their street car integrated into existing traffic lanes 😊
@@bendayhoe it’s just we have the same issue in Dowtown la where the train runs on the streets and has to wait for cars. And it adds another 10 minutes to the trip. That time could be saved it the tracks were buried. Or separate from cars lanes.
I hope land use changes around the line otherwise it will be wasteful
you can see all their intended uses in the general plan’s land use element online
The Southeast Gateway Line will be finished in 2035 🥳
What makes a streetcar superior to a bus if they both have to travel in mixed-traffic? How is the streetcar competitive to driving if the vehicles get stuck in traffic?
just a glorified bus if there isnt a dedicated lane for only the streetcar.