If someone has a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father, can he consider himself Jewish?
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People ask Israeli Jews questions. I go out and ask random people to answer. Yishiahu from France asks: "Do Israelis think that someone who has a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father can consider themselves Jewish?"
my father was jewish and a cohen, mom was german and converted via conservative judaism. for many jews i am seen as a non jew, for non jews i am seen as a jew, for those who hate jews, i am called a khazar and an imposter. Gotta say, lonely world when both sides reject you..
What’s cohen?
As a Christian I accept you. There, you are not alone anymore
most jews in America accept you with a conservative conversion. So you marry a Jewish woman and the problem is solved for your kids
It's the same for me. My dad is Jewish but my mom is not. I still identify more with the Jewish side of my family than the non Jewish one. Perhaps because those are the traditions I was raised with.
so marry a Jewish womenan and raised your kids jewish, there are plenty of them looking for husbands on the market.@@Gladissims
Jacob (Israel) had twelve sons, by four different women, they were the sons of Israel due to their father. Not sure how this got all twisted up.
@jeff I have a question
My Dad is a muslim arab, my mom a secular jew.
I am Muslim and according to Judaism, you are a Jew if your mother is a Jew ...
Sooo can I say I'm a Muslim Jew?And can I become a religiously jew without an exhausting and long conversion as converted jews have to do only because my mom is Jewish and although I belong to Islam yet? Is this so true?
And are according the Torah ethnic jews with no religion/christianity/Islam as their religion also jew? I mean their mother is Jewish, but their religion isn't Judaism but Islam or christianity... so are they real jews?
@@Ali-ob7kf, you ask very good questions. You are indeed Jewish. & yes, ethnic Jews with no religion are still Jewish because maternal biology rather than one's beliefs are what determines Jewishness.
I suggest you speak with an Orthodox Rabbi and tell him your situation. Good luck :-)
Rabbinic manipulation
@Nir Hakimian where did you get this idea that I am deciding, is that your ambition actually? If somthing is not in Tanakh or contra Tanakh, it is Rabbinic manipulation. Answer me this according to Rabbins and mother Jewis thing the line of Babilonian Kings should be Jewish because of Estera, also according to Rabbis King David is not Jewish, because his grandgrandmother was a paganic, non Jewish, plus she was a prostitute (Rahab), then his grandmother was Ruth, also non Jewish. I think you are a crude man, for whom pure logic does not work. So answer me this, how come King David is Jewish? And how come Babilonian are not Jewish? God him self concider Jewish those with Non Jewish mother, but Rabbins don't, who here has created deviant religion? N
Rabiis changed the religion ..this is why God sent the last holy book (the Quran) to correct the message of the prophets that has been changed by time.
This is me, for two generations my father's side has had a non-Jewish mother a Jewish father!
I identify as a Jew! Don't care if I am quarter or half! I am a Jew and Proud of it!!
I have this problem; my father was Jewish and my mother isn't Jewish, but I consider myself to be a Jew. Who cares what some stupid outdated law says. In practice it doesn't always make sense. A child of a Jewish mother is still considered Jewish even if they were raised in a completely different religion and their mother converted to a different religion or they don't feel that they have a Jewish identity. But a child whose father is Jewish and has a non-Jewish mother, but has a Jewish upbringing and strong Jewish identity isn't considered Jewish? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Before the Roman rule Judaism was patrilineal, then it was changed to matrilineal because Jewish women were being raped by the Roman and Jewish identity could only be guaranteed through the mother. In my eyes anyone who has a strong Jewish identity is Jewish, doesn't matter which parent is Jewish. I think this is an outdated and unfair law that needs to be revised.
I knew a gentlemen who considered himself a jew and practised judaism although his mother was an atheist non-jew and his father was a holocaust survivor (entire family killed in auschwitz). and everybody else considered him a jew there was no question about it. when he died he had a jewish funeral and was buried in jewish cemetery. All muslims, christians, atheists, communists considered him a jew because of his jewish father and jewish surname. It was very logical to us, non-jews that he was a jew. But according to rabbinical law he was not jewish. It is just does not make sense at all.
*it does not make sense at all
It's not some stupid outdated law any more than it is some stupid outdated law that a cat is not a dog. So who cares what a stupid outdated law that says a cat is not a dog, right? Btw... just so that you know, you don't actually have a legal father. In fact if you were to convert to Judaism, by law he would be allowed to marry you since you aren't actually his daughter. (though the Rabbis did prohibit such a marriage, but not because you are his daughter)
Monica Susanna what’s your father?
Yes, because you always know who the mother is, you don't always know who the father is. But to really be Jewish is to follow halakah, the Jewish law. And that is what it says. If you live by the 613 law of Judaism you can convert.
I am fully Jewish on both sides from a long line of atheists...and I eat bacon. So if someone wants in to the "club". fine with me.
what exactely is a jewish atheist?
@@gioq4702 belonging to the jews as a people but not believing in the religion Judaism.
@@juliushartman3935 as a people how? not the language, not the nation. what else?
@@gioq4702 corey is a very secular jew
@@gioq4702 he feels that he belongs to the jewish people but he doesn’t believe in the jewish god.
Wow, these type of rules can make people feel alienated or discriminated in society.
Anyone can feel alienated or discriminated in society, this is why feelings don't matter, facts do.
First name Surname ya not really.
My dad is Jewish, and my mom isn't. I've been alienated by both communities since I was born.
wenbiafra there is no discrimination of the Chinese in Birobidzhan
@@susanforeman8168 Me too!
The Halakhic rule was created at a time when it was difficult, if not impossible, to determine paternity. This is no longer so.
Israel accepts Karaites as Jews, and Karaites go by PATERNAL descent.
+Ron Hahn I never knew what a Karaite was but I had wondered if there were many non-Talmudist Jews. (The Talmudists are just, well......I'll just keep it at that). I think I may like these Karaites.
Ron Hahn, you are mistaken. There was no halachik rule created. The Torah is the one that teaches that a Jew is a Jew based on the mother.
me me Actually it wasn’t set in stone the verse in Torah inspired a change in the rules.
@@PC-lu3zf, sorry for not getting back to you. You tube didn't inform me that you had responded to my comment. I happened to be scrolling through this thread and saw your response.
You state "Actually it wasn’t set in stone the verse in Torah inspired a change in the rules."
My response, I don't understand what you mean. The Torah is what provides the rules to begin with. So how can the Torah inspire anything? As to how conversion to Judaism worked prior the giving of the Torah, this is not really relevant for us.
me me Throughout Torah only examples of paternal lines are given. That’s why Karaite Jews consider this the appropriate family line, or if someone converts by following the G-d of Israel, being circumcised and aligning themselves with Israel and other Jews. That’s how the view conversion. So why do you say it’s in the Torah? Where does Torah say this?
my mother is Jewish and my dad isn't, I have friends whose mothers aren't Jewish but their fathers are and they are more religious than me, it makes no difference to me and it shouldn't matter bc it is how you feel it in your heart and how much faith you have towards Judaism, I personally think it is a silly thing to say you are not Jewish enough or not Jewish bc your mother isn't
+Joseph Anton; Actually you are incorrect. You certainly are given citizenship if your father is Jewish and mother is not Jewish . You dont know what you are talking about
The 1950's Law of Return allows close non-Jewish family members to acquire Israeli citizenship, but that does not make them Jews.
Golden Glider jesus, true jew, from line of judah, said it is blasphemy to say u r a jew when u r not.
Golden Glider, it is about facts. If it was about what you feel in your heart then if I felt in my heart that I was a cat, would I then be a cat?
God=Lord Jesus Christ hates Judaism, Islam and other false religions that refuse Him. satan like the same deceiving devices he uses won't be around for too long.
Moses married a Midianite woman. Midiannites are not Jewish; Midian is in Saudi Arabia. Moses" sons were Levittical priest class. So this notion that have to be maternal to be Jewish is not based in truth. Actually its quite moronic Duh..
Furthermore King Solomon's mother was a Hittite (non jewish ethnicity) These are two huge examples. He was wisest King of Israel anointed by God. Who cares what "men" say. End of bs
What gets me is that people are so willing to give up truth of scripture, I mean what is written plainly and giving up all common sense to a body of fanatical individuals with their own issues of prejudice and spiritual FRAUD - putting themselves above holy writ, actually contradicting it. And all the lemmings just line up and give control to them. I mean who are these ppl anyway? This applies to all religious groups that claim to follow truth but then contradict their own holy writ. So tired of all such bullshit bc it DESTROYS LIVES. Jewish lives , non jewish etc etc
If God created all men - all races , how dare any man count one life as more important than another,. What a complete insult to God
They converted to Judaism, so they are classified as Jewish.
That becomes from which? Before it came from the father after the mother. Halakha is one thing to convert and Judaism is so much based in relationship, family. The issue on the kids mix marriage discover backgrounds and roots. Make a long story and than go with definitions. One thing in Israel other in Jewish Communities abroad. Since I would explain but people are fucked, i could go on. The conversion make sense just for relationship. Israel get the differences. The point is the Rabbinate are strict. With the mother it makes sense. I know it so let's look at Adam and Eve. Man withs Women kids family. Judaism can just preserve when having relations a family etc. From there some laws definition on this and that.
Modern-day Jews has almost nothing to do with Abraham, Isaac and Jacobs seeds!
Ironically Hittites were more closely related to modern europeans than any other people. They even spoke a Indo-European language
Actually, Hittites are decedents of Ham, who is the father of Africans and Arabs. Europeans are decedents of Japheth. Go read Genesis chapter 10. It will break down the table of nations for you. We don't know what languages they spoke, because there is no records of that. The only record is from scripture that tells us they are Hamite's. Even Midianites are decent of Ham.
My father was Jewish and my Mother was Irish Protestant. Ya you can see where it went from there.
My mum is Scottish Presbyterian and my dad is Latvian Jewish
@@AliceAndZoeAreTwins My father was jew and my mother christian.
My dad's dads' side was Irish, his mothers' side has a lot of Jewish ancestry. My Mother is Scots-Irish with some Jewish ancestry as well. I totally get how you feel. Oddly enough Lumsden is one of my Moms grandparents names!
@@yaheladom2440 You mean Judaism Jewish is a ethnic background not a religion
@@Hi-xu9xn Religion means" again together "or" come back to Elohim "Depends.. Religion is latin word.
Lord, in times of hardship, grant me the chillness of Canaan from Hod Hasharon
So these people actually believe that all the mothers in their bloodline were jewish, all the way up to Abraham, without missing a beat? That must've been a lot of incest in the beginning, games of thrones type shit.
thats why evangelicals are fooled into calling it Gods chosen people because its not the seed of abraham. good enough people but you don't chose to be chosen you just are chosen or your not.
+Chris R Actually even Arab researchers Zahiri (2003) and Zalloua (2004, with Wells) agree that J2 is Canaanite (Abrahamic) DNA that entered Israel via Mesopotamia -- the same as the Bible says Abraham was born in "Ur," a Mesopotamian city. *Today's Israelites (especially Ashkenasi/Lemba: the lightests AND the darkest are the MOST CLOSELY related when it comes to this J2 issue) are predominantly this "J2" subclade.*
I'm modern Orthodox (Jewish mother, Irish father) but tbh I wouldn't hesitate to recognize them as Jewish. It's absurd to me if someone has significant Jewish ancestry, practices Judaism, etc but isn't considered one of our people.
It’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. You get half your genes from your father and half from your mother. In many cases someone can even have way more dna from their fathers line as the entire family was Jewish dating back 1000’s of years. Yet only the maternal line for a few generations for example.
@@jamesjohnson-ox2yk the historical reason for this is because Jews were often enslaved by larger empires, especially Rome, and rape was common during war.
This rule allowed Jewish identity to be passed regardless of the fathers status. But I think now we should do away with this rule.
@@EzraB123 yes Im very aware that’s the reason the rule was first applied. That is not at all necessary anymore. We have dna to tell who a father is (if it was necessary and there was doubts) and Jewish women are not being raped in the diaspora.
Notwithstanding intermarriage has never in Jewish history been as high as it is now therefore there would have never been such a high number of patrilineal Jews and a need to revise this outdated law. The Torah also went by patrilineal descent.
I can speak for myself as a son of a Jewish father non Jewish mother and say I was raised just as Jewish if not more and have the same dna as anyone else who is considered Jewish by Halacha.
Thanks for your reply.
@@jamesjohnson-ox2yk Yeah I think I speak for many Jews when I say a lot of us are annoyed by the Rabbinical establishment, particularly in Israel.
The Karaites for example follow patriarchal descent. And there is a danger in playing the the game of "how Jewish are you?" It's divisive.
@@EzraB123 It's not due to rape or slavery though. The main theories concerning the shift to matrilineal law are emulation of Roman law (which was matrilineal, if your father was a slave and your mother a citizen you were a citizen) or inspired by isur kil'ayim. A likelier theory however is that this law was designed to prevent intermarriage, back in the day women had no say on who their partner was, all marriages were arranged by the family (shiddukhim) and restricting Jewishness to matrilineal inheritance basically meant making intermarriage impossible. This shift likely occurred during the Tannaitic period, genetically most Jewish communities are of Israelite descent along the paternal line and local descent on the maternal line (so the matrilineal principle certainly postdates the destruction of the 2nd Temple).
I'm the guy who asked the question by the way.
The reason Jewishness is decided by the maternal lineage is because you can always be certain who the mother is, but not always the father. One can't just decide they are a Jew any more than they can just decide to be a Catholic or a Muslim. You have to go through a proper conversion if you don't have a Jewish mother.
Not sure but Islam, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't take much to become a Catholic.
According to the TORAH, you're a Jew only if your FATHER is. (Jews today lie and say the Torah says otherwise, when the Torah pretty clearly proves patri-geneology in every case.) Ruth was a Gentile...married a Jewish man...the kids were considered FULLY Jewish (both racially and religiously). And considered Jewish in the Davidic lineage. Despite the fact that the mother was ethnically a NON-Jew. The TALMUD though is what gives the "mother clause"...but NOT the Torah. NOT the Hebrew Scriptures.
RawIronMix Judaism is really hypocritical to its followers
RawIronMix, your example of Ruth proves nothing for your assertion because Ruth converted to Judaism. THIS is why her child was considered to be Jewish.
You're also mistaken in your claim that it is the Talmud which determines that it is the mother. There are many proofs showing this is a mistake on your part. Read Rashi's commentary on Deut. chapter 7 verse 4 which is in fact the source that shows that the mother determines the Jewishness of the child. (or lack thereof)
Also read Ezra chapter 9 and 10. Take particular notice of chapter 10 verse 3. Verse 3 clearly shows the children of the union of a Jewish man with a non Jewish woman means the child is a Gentile. Otherwise it would have been forbidden to send the child away with the mother as it is forbidden to send away a Jewish child with a Gentile.
@RawIronMix I concur.
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Seriously. The ugliest one
Hell yeah. He was gorgeous!
Beautiful smile
Is he Temani/Yemenite? His hair gives it away
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well well well
My dad is jewish and my mom is catholic,at least when I was born she wasn't jewish. When I was little my dad used to ask me what I wanted to be jewish or catholic,and I always said I wanted to be jewish,so I was raised as a jewish girl even if my town is 80% christian. My entire family is jewish and they always treated me like I was just as jewish as all of them,when I reached 13 years old I traveled and converted myself so it wouldn't be a problem to marry a jewish guy in the future or any other thing like this. I think it's really bad when someone comes to you and says you're less jewish just because you're converted,I'm even more religious than my father. Judaism is about your soul,dosn't matter if your mom is jewish or non jewish. My soul is completly jewish and I love my religion with all my heart,I would do anything to protect my people and I feel like if I wasn't jewish,I wouldn't be me,it's a part of who I am,and being jewish is the thing I'm most proud of in my entire life. I would do anything to show the world my true love for Judaism,and if people still thought I'm less jewish because I'm converted,I would do everything to prove them that they're wrong,because I'm jewish with my all heart and soul and I will always be.
Well when you are baby the convert process for a boy is very easy ... He need to pass the circumcise.if your a girl its easier and in age 12 you've got the bat mitzvah ... So to all comment above its easy step for the sons and girls
What kind of question is that to ask a kid?
That's me they're talking about. I never really thought of myself as Jewish because halacha says I'm not. At the same time, because my father -- together with his family going back who knows how many generations -- was Jewish, it's impossible for me to consider the Jewish people, their history, and their place in the world with the same serene objectivity as someone born to two gentile parents. Though an outsider, I remain an interested party. This sense of attachment isn't sentimental or even strictly voluntary. A member of Greece's Golden Dawn, or France's National Front, or Hungary's Jobbik would make no distinction between me and, say, Ariel Sharon. I'm stuck just outside the tent whether I like it or not.
Just go reform. Done. Unless you weren't raised jewish. Either way if you wanna convert convert
I feel the same way. Although my situation is even weirder since my father converted to Christianity. But I also grew up with my paternal grandparents who consider themselves Jewish and celebrate Jewish holidays.
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Probably stoned as well
@@agi_zett are you persian arghawan?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and he was the least attractive of the lot. I don’t find them attractive at all.
I have been dealing with this problem all of my life as well. My mother is not Jewish, my father was through "bloodline" but we had a Christian household. I always felt like I was Jewish in my soul, but the only way to be recognized as one was thru conversion, which I did as an adult. The synagogue is the only place where I feel 'at home' and where the Torah study and services move me to tears. I KNOW what I AM and proud of it. Shalom!
same but i didn't convert.. yet
@@alyssarasmussen1723 If you do the conversion, you should do it by an orthodox rabbi who has authority. Reform & conservative conversions are not universally recognized.
@@scottsimon8543 my grandma is a reform jew so idk if i would feel like u know.. honestly idk maybe ur right xd
Only the mother counts! Unless you convert oorthodox!
These the people are ignorant!
I have a Jewish father and I made attempts to convert to judaism and was eventually kicked out of the synagogue for not being jewish. Yesterday I cried because it matters so much. I think that Jews that don't respect converts to judaism are not sincere jews. When the rabbi asked me why I practice the religion I turned the question into why does he practice the religion. Drake was there.
But you can make Aliyah to Israel, right?
lol i thought religion was aa personal choice.... this is racist religion and foked up.
Being a Jew is a birth right and is not a religion. Being Jewish is a religion. Go back and ask the rabbi why is he not oppressed with the southern tribe? And when did his forefathers go into the desert prior to 1948? Them ask him where is Christ? Because the Torah says when the true Jews are back in isreal Christ will usher them back in and that it will be both isreal and Judah. Most importantly the Mashiach will be with them. They are imposters!
You are right if you don’t accept they aren’t sincere Jews. The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. (Leviticus 19:33-34).
we will accept you
I have this problem too. My father is Jewish and my mother isn’t but I was raised in a very cultural Jewish family and have feel jewish deep in my soul. I feel more jewish than many “real” Jews and from an ethnic perspective my fathers family never mixed with gentiles before me so I even have more jewish blood than many Jews who are jewish through their mothers. It’s always been so frustrating. We are an ethnicity and culture as well as religion so even if the religious law doesn’t consider us jewish you still can’t take it out of our blood.
You’re just as Jewish as anyone else my friend don’t listen to these idiots that have no idea what they’re talking about.
There you go, well said. I think I'm in the same situation as you. My father was Jewish, but from two parents who were also Jewish, descendants of Jews over many generations. My name is Jewish. While my mother is not Jewish. I have built a complex identity for myself, but one that includes Jewishness. Especially since my father was a victim of the Holocaust (his family went into hiding during the war), and my great-grandfather died in the Lodz ghetto. So I am a descendant of Jewish victims of the Holocaust, circumcised by the way, and of a non-Jewish mother. This heritage weighs heavily and that's why I lean towards the Jewish side. But it's more cultural, that is to say the philosophical reflection stemming from the universalist Jewish tradition. And of course anti-Semitism makes me react as a "Jew".
Screw the religious law.
Half was Jewish enough for the ovens.
Also, according to DNA analysis, most Ashkenazi Jews descend from Jewish men and four European women, I believe.
My father was Jewish, but from two parents who were also Jewish, descendants of Jews over many generations. My name is Jewish from East Europe. While my mother is not Jewish. I have built a complex identity for myself, but one that includes Jewishness. Especially since my father was a victim of the Holocaust (his family went into hiding during the war), and my great-grandfather died in the Lodz ghetto. So I am a descendant of Jewish victims of the Holocaust, and I am circumcised by the way, and of a non-Jewish mother. This heritage weighs heavily and that's why I lean towards the Jewish side. But it's more cultural, that is to say the philosophical reflection stemming from the universalist Jewish tradition. And of course anti-Semitism makes me react as a "Jew".
My Jewish heritage comes from my father's side, and I still practice many aspects of the religion. An orthodox rabbi who knows about my situation even allows me to attend weekly parsha classes. I don't consider myself to be Jewish, but I do refer to myself as being someone who is of Jewish heritage. I plan to convert (orthodox) someday and hope to live in a Jewish community.
Solomon770 nah, you’re not Jewish. Respect the law and you weren’t Bar Mitzvah. If mother Mary wasn’t a Jew, Jesus wouldn’t be a Jew. However, you can believe in what you want lol
Good idea, it's definitely better to be Jewish, because Jews are better, as Phil Roth put it.
f off nazi
mary sacrificed her son for you in your own country. leave jews alone. come fight and die. here. f u nazi.
I saw your comment from 4 years ago. How are you holding up?
Thank you so much for posting this! I have a Jewish father, and a Roman Catholic mother, but I have spent over a year in Israel and identify so much more with the Jewish faith. I hope that more people can become accepting - but I know the Torah is very strict.
Laura Cappell, may I ask what you mean when you say you identify so much more with the Jewish faith?
Laura Cappell Don't worry you a are jew according to the Torah.
But not says the stupids rabbis.
Apriori, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the torah itself says about Patriarchs side or lineage not including female Sarah (as do arabs), are both the physical and spiritual ancestors of Judaism.
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me said The Lord G'd of Israel".
They founded the religion now known as Judaism, and their descendants are the Jewish people. Of course, technically, it is incorrect to refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Jews, because the terms "Jew" and "Judaism" were not used generally to refer to this nationuntil hundreds of years after their time; nevertheless, for convenience and in accordance with common practice, I will use these terms.
The history below is derived from written Torah,Talmud, Midrash and other sources. Modern scholars question the existence of the Patriarchs and the historical accuracy of this information; however, it is worth noting that scholars also questioned the existence of Babylonia and Troy... until archaeologists found them.
In short, Judaism by motherhood alone, is the invention of the rabbis. He may also be a Jew on the mother's side, but not a single rule of law according to the torah.
Anyway, what is more important, what is written in the holy Torah, or the Talmud, Midrash writen by crazies rabbis from the centuries passed.
The descendants of Israel became slaves in Egypt. They suffered greatly under the hand of later Pharaohs. But G-d brought the Children of Israel out of Egypt under the leadership of Moses.
G-d led them on a journey through the wilderness to Mount Sinai. Here, G-d revealed Himself to the Children of Israel and offered them a great covenant: if the people would hearken to G-d and observe His covenant, then they would be the most beloved of nations, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. (Ex 19). G-d revealed the Torahto his people, both the written and oral Torah, and the entire nation responded, "Everything that the L-rd has spoken, we will do!" According to Jewish tradition, every Jewish soul that would ever be born was present at that moment, and agreed to be bound to this covenant.
By:
Ryan Mitchell Wallach Junnior
(bachelor in Law and Theology, also Master in Law with spacialization in lnternational Law)
Ryan Mitchell Shlomo Wallach Junnior So who was Sarah’s Mom? Obviously not a Jew if she’s called a “founder” so the whole theory caves in.
@@JohnSmith-is4uu you ask "So who was Sarah’s Mom?"
My response, Sarah being a convert to Judaism, makes your question irrelevant.
Accepting of what? What do you mean?
As a child from a jewish father but a non jewish mother this brings me some identity crisis. having experienced myself opening up to Torah because my father passed recently, i became very attached to it. i always considered myself jewish altough i was more agnostic during my teens. I find it in a way very humbling because the thought of me not actually being jewish brings up new ways to approach Torah. How must i handle this? I am part of it but also not fully? I should honor the Torah with humility and respect because it is the ark of the jewish culture. Even if it would turn out that i am not jewish. That is how i feel.
I feel for you on a personal level. If you are truly drawn to Torah I suggest you speak with an Orthodox Rabbi. He can provide you with guidance in these matters.
I am the opposite of you with a Jewish mother now passed away and a non Jewish father and I have my own deal of identity crisis. At the same time I am "happy" to have the etiquette "Jewish" but at the same time people around me don't consider me too much jew and I dont frequent Jews nowadays. Whatever you are Jew or not I think the most important is to find who you are in your own way, and to marry the good person that you love (I remain to do that !)
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that only those with a Jewish mother are Jewish (In fact, the word "Jew" is not even in the Hebrew Bible. "Jew" is a relatively modern English term). This concept is a man made one. And quite silly, to be honest. If you're a descendant of Jacob then you are one of the descendants to whom the Abrahamic covenant was intended to include, and that being the case can only be so regardless even of how genetically diluted your ancestral line is. A descendant is a descendant, period. Now as to the question of whether or not a person is "Jewish" obviously depends on your definition of "Jew," duh. It's as simple as that. And as well, it also goes without saying that faith and genetics are two different things. Anyone can follow the Abrahamic faith, or namely, the Bible, and be religiously "Jewish" under _that_ particular definition, though they would not necessarily be what most would consider _ethnically_ "Jewish." Even the word "Judaism" itself is a non-biblical, man made term. So, what's in a name? Either you are a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, or you aren't. And likewise, irrespective of this, either you are one who holds to Biblical faith or you aren't. It's quite simple. (Also interesting to note, even Christians believe in the Torah/Tanakh...... as for Muslims.....ehhhh......not so much, well........when it's convenient to them, but at no other time).
It just cracks me up how so many people seem to make this issue so much more complicated than what it really is. It also cracks me up how how so many -- both Jew and gentile alike, seem to completely misunderstand the entire concept and subject of the Hebrews being God's "chosen" people.
+goggle "Therefore, simply because you do not understand someone else's family
history, that does not mean that you, or anyone else, has a right to
lie, attack, and slander what you will NEVER comprehend. "
Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, WHAT??? O_o Don't understand? Someone else's family history?? Such as? WHO'S family history might you be referring to? And "lie?" "Attack," you say? O_o Dude, are you serious? Attack who? WHO have I "attacked?"
"You have every right to invent a FALSE religion, but you do NOT have a right to add your LIES to someone else's family religion."
Seriously what are you even talking about, and what does it have to do with anything I've said? Seriously. I honestly want to know. Just what false religion do you think I've invented, and just what "lies" have I "added" to someone else's religion??
"The law of who is a Jew, is God's law, and is translated into law in
Israel in Amendment 25730-1970* by Jacob's descendant, Rabbi Shlomo
Amar, and it states, "a Jew is a Jew based on the MOTHER". "
Now just wait a second here. Your very response there seems to have ignored completely my own comment. WHAT, *_IS,_* a "Jew?" ???? Answer please. Since you seem to have the definition of it, then please, explain it to me for my own understanding. Is the word "Jew" even mentioned ANYWHERE in the Torah? or better yet, the Tanakh??? WELL????...*_IS_* it????? Please, answer me.
"....and is translated into law in Israel in Amendment 25730-1970* by Jacob's
descendant, Rabbi Shlomo Amar, and it states, "a Jew is a Jew based on
the MOTHER". "
So, if a "Jew" says it, then it must be true? LOL My friend, in all sincerity, do you even realize, that by that very logic, you have no basis by which to deny the words of Yeshua?
"All Paternal Jews are FAKE jEWS, and are NOT related to the children of Jacob, The ONLY Jews of God."
You know, _SOME_ people (and I'm not one of them) claim that _ALL_ of the Jews are "fake Jews." Do you even realize that? But seriously though, "not related to..." Okay, really, dude? I know you _can't_ really be that stupid, _can_ you? Or are you? Oh, God help you if you are.....
Please explain to me with sound reasoning why it is that you see it that someone who has a Jewish father and a gentile mother should be considered any less *_ETHNICALLY_* Jewish than a person who had a Jewish mother and gentile father. Thank you.
Like SERIOUSLY, how can you possibly be so stupid?? A descendant of Jacob *_IS_* A DESCENDANT OF JACOB! PERIOD.
*****
"the law states as translated by Rabbi Shlomo Amar " A Jew is born of Jewish Mother"."
I'm not sure why anyone should see the words of Shlomo Amar as having any more weight or accuracy much less credibility, than say, oh, Shlomo Sand, who, btw, I happen to disagree with fully and who I think is dishonest.
That rule, as you very well know, comes only from the _Talmud,_ *_NOT_* the Torah or Tanakh. The Talmud, my friend, is _not_ scripture.
*****
Where in the TORAH does it state that Jews are those, and only those, with a Jewish mother? In all that you have typed, you have yet to answer the question. How about saving both of us the time (which I really don't have) in reading voluminous posts and just answer the question for me, thank you. All you have to do is post the verse. That is all.
Is the term "Jew" ever even really defined in the Bible, ANYWHERE? Simple answer: NO, it *_ISN'T._* You can not deny this. In _fact,_ the term "Jew" is NOWHERE -- understand -- *_N-O-W-H-E-R-E,_* in the Hebrew Bible.
It is a man made term.
Better yet, or rather, _in addition to,_ actually answering my question, just how do you define the word "Jew?" What does that word even mean? To understand the meaning of the word would do a great deal in making sure we are actually having an intelligent discussion as opposed to simply talking over one another.
Do you speak Hebrew, by any chance?
*****
"And one of those laws is interpreted by Rabbi Shlomo Amar in Amendment Number 25730-1970*."
Not a biblical source.
".... And that law states, "a Jew is born of a Jewish Mother", that descended from the tribes of Jacob. And those Jews of Jacob, their mt-DNA codes from the Mother and their y-chromosomes codes from the father all match one another, because they are ONE FAMILY that descended from Jacob."
That doesn't even make sense. mtDNA and Y chromosomes are two different things, duh.
*****
"as all Gentile religions follow the Father."
You mean as opposed to the _Judaic_ Bible, which is THE SAME Bible followed by Christians?? O_o That makes no sense.
"Your concern is with your religion and your deity, whatever it may be."
But not as is the case with Jews?? O_o
"As the children of Jacob, the true Jews,"
What do you mean, "children of Jacob?" You mean _descendants_ of Jacob?
"...ONLY concern is with their God, their religion, their Hebrew Torah Scrolls, and their interpretations of their laws as commanded by their God."
Only the Torah? How about the _Tanakh?_
"And one of those laws is interpreted by Rabbi Shlomo Amar in Amendment Number 25730-1970*."
Where in the *_Torah_*(_or_ Tanakh) does one find this "amendment?" ??
No one changed the meaning. it was like that from the beginning. If a Druze stops believing, does he cease to be Druze? Judaism is not just religious beliefs. it is customs, languages, cultures. Who are you to tell me what a Jew is?
The Torah tells you...not anyone else!
The Jewish as a people has nothing to do with Zionism. It was always there. We have prayers and scriptures that talk about us as a nation, a people, that long for the return to Jerusalem, etc. etc. as a nation. You have been sold a lie and you use it for your own political agenda. I personally don't care what you consider me. I am annoyed when Arabs (or anyone else not Jewish) tell me what Jews are and aren't.
"religion is the number one problem in the world" - well said
0myjoe
Selfishness is the real problem not religion.
Religion teaxhes selfishness and the hate of everyone who is different or thinks differently
Wal Morocco if you say so
There goes the intolerant atheist at it again. It's funny how you atheist want freedom for everyone on Earth except the religious.
thyartismurder 512 Stalin was an atheist. North Korea isn't religious, neither is Cuba... atheists are just as bad and they hate anyone who isn't an atheist (i.e. religious people).
My father's side is 100% Jewish and my mother is a catholic who converted to Judaism before marriage...and I was raised jewish
this seems so stupid.so if someone says hey I'm from one of the twelve tribes of Israel but my mother was a gentile then I'm not a hebrew LOL.That would mean if my father was irish and my mother was English I'm not irish .what about when Moses took a Ethiopian woman for a wife hmmmm! Jesus own ancestry was mixed and he was considered jewish.
sksman, One is English or Irish because of where they were born. Jewishness has nothing to do with where the person was born. Also, Moses did not marry an Ethiopian woman. You have a mistranslation if you this is what you read. The word "kushees" there does not mean "Ethiopian".
It's a religious thing. Jesus wasn't 'mixed', his genetics come from his mother who was descended from Jews.
The spirituality of a Jew is passed down through the mother. As for all these examples of Jews like Moses, Joseph etcetera, their children were practicing Jews & their wives converted to Judaism so they were actual Jews.
@@stlouisix3, correct.
Jesus was mixed what have you been smoking 😂
@@crazyanimeloveable, you state "Jesus was mixed what have you been smoking"
My response, what I think he meant was that if Mary was a descendant of King David, then she came from mixed stock as King David's great grandmother was not born Jewish. Of course there is absolutely no evidence that Mary was descended from King David so the point is moot.
As to my perspective on things, jesus was in truth of mixed stock because his father was a Roman soldier named Joseph Pantera. Nevertheless he was still Jewish because Jewishness is based on one's mother rather than father.
he can consider himself whatever he like
In Reform Judaism, you can still be considered Jewish through your father.
Since 1970, the Israeli law of return has allowed anyone with a Jewish father or grandfather to immigrate.
Religion is a tool for control... Live life as honestly and as humbly as you can, treat people as humane as you can and you are going to be alright.
@Jay Turan you're right so what's your point?
You have no ability to know that.
Well in the Torah, it is specific
"You are what your father is" Basically
Idk where they got the ethnicity from the mother
Many of the Israelites fled to Africa.. And Deut. Fits the African Slave trade in Wes Africa, even tho i would challenge tht idea of slave ships,
But if we talk about today's Jews like in israel as stuff who are clearly white. Their ancestor from male's side is Esau who came out in white/red complexion. And later on he had 2 cannanite wives. And they say that's where today's white jews get the idea of Mother being Jewish then that makes u jewish
Sure anybody can be Jewish & convert, etc. And yeh israel is mixed with many..
But Personally, doing my own research and reading.. To me and to many others, the Ashkanazim are Not the true israelites, or others who are clearly Europeans & who claim they are the descedants of Aberham, etc are not, because according to Torah, Esau is the so called "White" man. And it's logical for me to figure out, the white Jews own the world and banks pretty much. And torah says the real israelites of today are still cursed, (The modern Jews dont sound like cursed people) and that there would be Peace in Israel once the real Israelites return. And there is no peace in the pirate state of Israel. It's all a fake, and don't fit the discription, i can go on about the north africans there, and Iraqi jews, but i wont.
And it's just my opinion on it, and what i come to understand from evidence i found personally. U can disagree, that's kool
Ahmed
Dear Ahmed, we are listening to this over and over again for the past 2000 years. We are just bored. Everybody beliefs himself to be an expert on the Jewish nation and Judaism. The Christians used to say, they are the new chosen nation and started to convert us by force and persecute us during the Inquisition. Hitler tought Arian people are the chosen people etc....Now the Muslims belief to be chosen, after we allegedly misbehaved and Allah cursed us. In 50 years there might be someone else. Please, talk to your local orthodox rabbi, if this questions bothers you for real. Everybody thinks nowadays he's an expert on Torah and Judaism, since he have read a bad translation....that's not true. I wish you all the best and good luck.
Ahmed
The Ashkenazim (Ashkenaz is a term for Germany, that's why they were talking Yiddish, a language mixed of medieval German and Hebrew) are just a fraction of the Jewish nation. The Jews were expelled from Israel in the year 70 by the Roman empire. They were taken as slaves and brought to Europe. Some were sold into northern Africa, which was Christian at that time. That's how the fractions developped. Ashkenazim settled in Germany, Poland etc. Since we were always persecuted, we went from one country to another. After persecutions in Germany to Poland, than to Ukraine, to Belarus etc. Some settled in Spain. That's the Sefaradim. They were expelled in 1492 and moved to Morocco, Turques, Greece, Albania and other countries. That's how we were scattered for the last 2000 years.
I have a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother. Me and my siblings were converted in the conservative synagogue but many people still rejects us as Jews, it makes me sad :(
Nothing wrong with having a non jewish mother and jewish father , but the problem is you converted in a conservative synagogue. Only orthodox conversion is legitimate.
I live in Israel. My father is Jewish, mother not officially Jewish but has some Jewish roots from her father's side. I'm not considered Jewish in Israel and it always broke my heart. As a child I was in a Jewish religious orthodox school and the Judaism is integrated in my psyche so deeply. Even though I consider myself religenless and don't want to have the strict life style of a religious Jew, there is something in Judaism that feels like home to me.
It only matters to the child. If he/she wants to be Jewish, then why not just allow it.
I have friends that have done full conversions with a Rabbi, and they had no problem making aliyah or marrying. So I guess it really depends on how committed you are to the faith.
that's exactly right
My father was christian, mother was Jews, both married and accept Islam.
Now i am fully Muslim 100% same like my parents
I Married to Hindu born lady, she also accept Islam before meeting me.
We have two kids, both are Muslims
🙂🙂🙂🙂
That's what happens when you treat a religion as an exclusive Genetic Club! Especially when Enoch could have been a 7th generation alien hybrid and Noah the 10th! There are records to indicate that they were built between 10-12 ft. tall and lived an average of 1000 years! That puts all modern humans at another not so exclusive club which limits height to 7' and age to under 120 years! Bottom line if you want to be chosen, you have to choose to live a life in harmony with all beings and be a power of good and positive change!
mashaallah
All of us not alien i still pooped like human.
Ewwww Islam is ugly
Good G-d I have never met a country full of people who have such weird issues answering questions
Sorry but a conversion is can’t be a solution because there’s no any conversion wich would be acceptable for everyone. If you do an orthodox Giur in Germany it’s not good enough for Israel, if you do it in Israel it wouldn’t be recognized by Haredim and so long... You can be Jewish just in the small community where the conversion took place... So that is why many of father-Jews haven’t seen a sense of doing conversion...
Tradition has it, that Moses brought Scripture down from Mount Sinai dictated by God Himself.
With the most simplest of understandings, makes Scripture the highest authority.
As seen in Scripture, the forefathers, the sons/tribes of Jacob/Israel, all having married non-Jewish women & whose offspring became the Jewish nation.
The Priests and the Levites also went according to their fathers. Even Moses married a non-Jewish woman.
If it were true that one's Judaism follows the faith of the mother, then no Jew would be considered truly Jewish.
By birthright (if the premise were true) this gives those of a only Jewish father as well as the rest of the Jews a choice between, being Jewish or being non-Jewish.
One whose father is only Jewish, shares the same ancestry of one whose mother is only Jewish. Same difference.
Jay Bax You have a very weak understanding of Judaism and Jewish history. The Jewish people became a nation at Mount Sinai, therefore those who were not Jewish became Jewish upon acceptance of the Torah at Mount Sinai. After the Law was given Jews could only marry other Jews. Jewishness is passed on from mother to child as brought down in the Oral Law. There is nothing in the Scripture which contradicts this fact. Customs and inheritance passes from father to child (i.e. tribal affiliation and family customs), hence the son of a Priest is also a Priest (if his mother was Jewish and was not a divorcee before his birth) and the son of a Levite is also a Levite (if his mother was Jewish). You have confused the two issues.
Akiva Goldberg This that you say "...those who were not Jewish became Jewish upon acceptance of the Torah at Mount Sinai." is not mentioned in the Torah. You are here quoting which is not a fact but only an opinion given by some of the Rabbis in the Gemara and or Midrash. As the old adage goes. "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts." All you can prove here is that it was said and believed by the Rabbis, and nothing more.
The rest that you state here are only the halachos devised by the Rabbis to suit their generation. The halachos must now be changed to suit our generation.
When Hashem vowed to our forefathers that which will be inherited by their offspring, it does not mention "on the condition that they are from Jewish mothers". It is up to the individual to decide if they are a Jew or not. For Hashem has also given us 'free will.' Understand this well my friend.
Akiva Goldberg You say "Jewishness is passed on from mother to child as brought down in the Oral Law. There is nothing in the Scripture which contradicts this fact."
At the risk of being redundant. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts. This that which you call fact, is very much so contradicted by Scripture. The forefathers, the sons/tribes of Jacob/Israel, all having married non-Jewish women & whose offspring became the Jewish nation. Do you deny the Torah's own words??? And you are actually stating here that it is an oral law and not a Scriptural law. You have confused opinionated generational relevance laws, with that of Scriptural facts.
The forefathers were not legally Jewish and could have therefore married non-Jewish women, however all their descendants converted at Mount Sinai where they all became legally Jewish upon acceptance of the Torah.
The biblical inference for matrilineal descent:
“You shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son, for he will cause your child to turn away from Me, and they will worship the gods of others” (Deuteronomy 7:3-4).
The implication is that children from such a union will be torn away from Judaism. Since the verse states “for he (i.e. a non-Jewish father) will cause your child to turn away . . . ,” this implies that a child born to a Jewish mother is Jewish (“your child”), whereas if a Jewish man marries a non-Jewish woman, the child is not Jewish-and as such there is no concern that “she,” the child’s mother, will turn the child away from Judaism.
Akiva Goldberg The verse you quote states both ways, "neither take his daughter for your son nor his son for your daughter." The rest of your statement is again just a mere Rabbi's opinion.And the statistics do not support this opinion. Inter-religious couples are never consistent with their religious practices. Sometimes they are atheists, and sometimes the woman converts to Judaism, and sometimes they practice both religions. To each their own.
It is out of character for biblical scholars to spin on Scripture. Leave the spinning for the politicians. But you had it right the first time in your previous comment. and I quote you "Jewishness is passed on from mother to child as brought down in the Oral Law." That is to say, it is only an oral law and not derived from Scripture, rendering it a mere opinion. S.S.
PS. The verse you quote is referring to intermarriage not about the couples offspring. i.e. off topic.
If a person with one Jewish parent (either one) considers themselves Jewish, I also consider them to be Jewish. If they embrace a different religion, they can't be considered Jewish. If they say that they're an atheist I still consider them Jewish unless they disavow their Jewish heritage.
Historically it was paternal but was changed to maternal following the Roman occupation, as Roman law considered the child of a Roman mother a Roman citizen.
The Jews at the time simply adopted that practice.
Obviously these people have created a new religion based on Judaism. If we were to go by the Jewish mother descent, there are no Jews in the world and never were. Jacob was not a Jew or even an Israelite because the first one was Jacob's first-born, Rueben. None of the 12 sons married Israelites married Israelite women because there were none. So according to the Zionists, Jacob's grandchildren were not Israelites because their mothers were Non-Israellite. This mother descent thing is nothing more than political not biblical according to Yahweh's laws. So who's really the god of these people and what law and whose laws are they following?
TheWonderfulKushites Satan, duh...
Actually any woman present at mt. Sinai during the Exodus is automatically Jewish regardless of her actual ancestry.
The problem is only about 8% of us have that DNA, and the other 92% are a bunch of liars...
Converts are Jewish, though. According to Judaism.
TheWonderfulKushite, it is your misunderstanding of Judaism that is the culprit. You say none of the 12 sons married Israelites because there were none. How do you know this? Were you there to see whom they married?
God=Lord Jesus Christ is Jewish. He's also universal because He is God , Emmanuel. Abraham, Issac, Jacob and the ones that descend from them are Jewish too. God=Lord Jesus Christ know who His sheep are. whether they are jewish or gentile. it makes no difference to Him. God=Lord Jesus Christ is the good Shepherd. who lays down His life for His sheep. John 10:11 Jesus the Good Shepherd
…10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness. 11I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12The hired hand is not the shepherd, and the sheep are not his own. When he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf pounces on them and scatters the flock.… Psalm 23:1
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want. Isaiah 40:11
Like a shepherd He will tend His flock, In His arm He will gather the lambs And carry them in His bosom; He will gently lead the nursing ewes. Ezekiel 34:2
"Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel. Prophesy and say to those shepherds, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Woe, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flock? Ezekiel 34:11
For thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out.
me me Jesus Christ's mother Mary is Jewish and a descendant of David. Jesus' stepfather is Joseph also a descendant of David. God=Lord Jesus Christ developed His infant body through the Holy Ghost. That is how Mary being a virgin got pregnant as she gave birth to the Messiah , the Savior. So yes God is Lord Jesus Christ and He is Jewish and He inherited the throne of David. He's the King of Kings. He's also universal since He's everywhere at once. Isaiah 7:14 The Sign of Immanuel
…13Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? 14"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. 15"He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.… Luke 1:31
Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. Matthew 1:23 The Birth of Jesus
…22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23“Behold! The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”). 24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and embraced Mary as his wife.…
Look at these two situations:
1. A jewish man has children with a non jewish woman. These children are not considered to be jewish. If now the daughters (50 % genetically but non jewish) have children wih a jewish man, the daughters, now 75 % genetically jewish, are considered as non jewish. So daughters of the next generation with a jewish father will be around 87.5 % genetically jewish, but not considered to be jewish. After 4 generations and more, children of the daughters will be genetically almost 100% jewish with a jewish father, but still not considered to be jewish.
2. A non jewish man has children with a jewish woman. Thesee children are considerd to be jewish (50% genetically). If now the daughters have children with a non jewish man, these children are 75% genetically non jewish but considered to be jewish. In this case after 4 generations and more children of the daughters with a non jewish father are almost 100% non jewish, but considered to be jewish.
The outcome of these two situations is that in the one case people who are almost 100% jewish are being rejected as jews, while in the other case people who are almost 0% jewish, are accepted as and considered to be jews.
Now the question that rises is: Is it right and just to have persons who, genetically, are almost zero % jewish, being accepted as jews and being jew-sh wile persons who are genetically almost 100% jewish, being rejected as jewish and being jews?
The Karaites also a jewish people are patrilineal, not to speak of the non rabbinic jews like reform, secular, atheist etc., whoever considers themselves jewish is jewish.
Research the genomes of Jews, specifically Ashkenazim, and compare that with other people of indigenous European stock.
We are discussing ANCIENT genomes that do not change over time and will always appear consistently even with a high amount of admixture. It groups people into ethnicities ethnicity.
If your father is a Hebrew you are a Hebrew. Your blood line comes from your father. Your ethnicity comes from your father. Per example King David's children were all Hebrews even though some of David's were from pagan nations, non-hebrew, but all his sons and daughter were called Hebrews, or Jewish in today's terms. Same for King Salomon who married and had children with many women of strange nations: his first wife was an Egyptian, and he married Moabites, Sodonians, and women from many other nations... remember King Salomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, so image how many children he had, but his children were all Hebrews whomever were their mothers, whatever the ethnicity of their mothers, they were Hebrews, Jews. Right? God bless you all!
EelKat Wendy C. Allen well he was like a rock star , but I'm sure he had servants to help him.
The country had a civil war and split into two kingdoms as a result. No fool like an old fool, king or commoner.
Not with Judaism it's different
gedeonchampion wrong...
You people aren’t from Jacob ! Knock it off converts !
My great grandmother was a Jewish from my mother's side but Am a Muslim😁
Wow what a change
Is this entirely through the female side? (mothers mothers mothers mother)
If so, please speak to an Orthodox Rabbi about your situation. He can guide you better than anybody on you tube. :-)
That would make your grandmother jewish
There are literally millions like you out there. While Jews tend to mourn the lost tribes, the fact that many Jews converted, either forcibly or by free will or married out to other religions (mostly Islam and Christianity) is usually disregarded.
@@times6283 yes true 😊 just my mother told me be silent about Jewish routes , even my grandfather Jewish too but am a Muslim becuase I grow up as one 😊 Jewish or Muslim I still submit to the one God Lord of Abraham and moses 💙
Genetically, I'm half Ashkenazi. From my father's side. 3/16 Irish, 1/16 Scottish, 1/8 Norwegian, 1/8 English (American).
I'm sure someone is interested.
@@charleshowie2074, lmaooo
Some people I know have Jewish fathers only but they consider themselves Jewish and had Bar Mitzvahs. So I think they are Jewish for these reasons. Father's contribute 50 percent of a persons makeup and Genes etc.
It wasn't till i was a teenager I started to understand Halacha. Its important for me to marry someone Jewish and have Jewish Children, So at 18 when I made aliyah I had orthodox conversion. However I do not consider myself a convert. So people do and so people don't when they know where I am coming from generally not. I believe i was born with a Jewish soul.
I've heard rabbis' say, the mother's side determines they are jewish, and father determines the tribe they are from.
How is it that Jewish people do not understand that Judaism is not a culture or ethnic.. It is a religion..
My mum Is half Jewish and half slovakian but my dad is fully Jewish. Should I considered myself as a Jew?
Yes. Jewishness comes from the paternal line according to Hebrew Scripture
Although patrilineal descent makes more sense, Karaism is irrelevant. Not only they can't trace their alleged ties to the Saducees, but they even betrayed their own idea and now have developed their own body of interpretation. For good or worse, Rabbnical Judaism is Judaism.
KID FROM NON JEWISH MOTHER BUT THE FATHER IS JEWISH = JEWISH
***** good work.
***** Ashkenasi and Sephardi mtDNA are near-identical, per Behar et al 2008, and FL Bedford (2011) and plosone [[dot]] org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0002062.t002&representation=PNG_S
...and the Torah contradicts you (Ezra 10:16, Bamidbar 1:18, Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews 16.225, 18.109, 18.139, 18.141, 14.8-10, 14.121, 14.403), Malachi 3:6-7 & 4:5-6, Num 1:18 & 36:4, Lev 24:10-11).
Judah married a Pagan Canaanite WOMAN, Joseph an Egyptian WOMAN, Moses a Midianite and an Ethiopian, David a Philistine WOMAN, and Solomon numerous GENTILE WOMEN. We geneticists see Israelite men taking gentile wives all the way to ~800 AD at LEAST for Ashkenasim AND Sephardim (Costa et al, Nature Communications 2013), and even longer -- usually to TODAY -- for most other diaspora groups. Some Ashkenasim & Sephardim who ALSO never gave up taking the reilgion of the FATHER include the Karaite and Merkaba sects.
and...J2 = the native (proto-Canaanite) DNA per alZahiri 2003 and Zalloua/Wells 2004; it's also a Y (male side) sequence.
here is Ashkenasim carrying the J2 (SCROLLDOWN TO THE 5 PEER-REVIEWED STUDIES, in a graph/table): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews (in fact they have MORE of J2 than Sephardim (just by a few percent) and several more % J2 than Misrachim.
Jews who share J2 include the Lemba (South Africa), Cochin (India), tiny bit of the Igbo (West Africa), AND the aforenoted Misrahim, Ashkenasi, AND Sephardim: surely a people CAST TO THE CORNERS OF THE EARTH as Torah prophesied. Show us a MATRILINEAL line originating in Canaan but MATRILINEAL (mtDNA), shared by people with similar (Judaic) practices on >2 continents.
+goggle I liked your long answer.But whats the different between Sephardi,and Arab jews?Ive always taught that,Maghreb,Yemen,Spanish jews are the same,they are the tru,originally jews.And the white,90%,the khazar askenazim.
+vq ari
actually he is half jewish
but his religion is of course is not jewish (unless if he converts)
+goggle Wrong again: the DNA that unites Jews is J2 -- a paternal DNA not maternal -- PEER REVIEWED AND THE Scientific Consensus:
Zalloua and Wells, 2004
Behar et al 2013 alZahiri 2003 ...and literally dozens more contradict you.
*The reason you can't cite ANY researchers supporting your bizarre maternalist theory,* as I just did, is you don't know your own arse from a hole in the wall. you = typical pseudo-scientific Islamotard (Organised Religion / dogmatic).
The answer is yes, if you have a an Israelite father and a non Israelite mother the child is still am Israelite because the father determine the nationality.
TheElizabeth125, your answer though is incorrect. The mother determines the Jewishness of the child. In fact the father in a mixed relationship is not even considered to be the father at all. The child of such a union technically speaking has no father. This so called father would even be allowed to marry his own daughter according to Torah law should the child convert to Judaism. (though it is Rabinicallly prohibited. though not for the reason that the person is considered the father)
@@meme-bd5hk bullshit dude.
@@eleSDSU, back at ya dude...
Oh, and get an education on Judaism rather than being obtuse.
@@meme-bd5hk If that were true then Obed woulda been a Moabite. You need to come to terms with what HaShem says, instead of what some self-proclaimed rabbi''s believe and teach out of erroneous Talmudic garbage.
For those who said no. You should of ask how was Efraim and Manache Jewish coming from an Egyptian mother. Even becoming a tribe. If this is true than all of their dependents aren't Jews.
Biblically speaking, the Torah clearly indicates patraliniel descent, however the Rabbi's, for political reasons, about 2500 years ago, changed the halacha to matrilineal. There are enough opinions to support either lineage. However the patriarchal position isn't popular at the moment.
John your right on the money
@@samsonborcellino7517 thnx Samson Borcellino.
My mom was Jewish when she gave birth to me, and was raised Jewish, Before I can even remember, she converted. I am only just now in my later teen years beginning to study and practice Judaism, yet even when I was younger and atheist I was still “jewish” lmao
May I suggest you speak with an Orthodox Rabbi who can provide guidance for you. I wish you well.
Hey! I just found out I a half Jewish on my fathers side. He was European Jew. Wow. Very pleased. Don,t want to follow the religion..have my own!! But genetically, by race..I am half Jewish. Nice.
You cant be half jewish
If your father was European, then you're a descendant of Japhet.
Here in Canada, you could only get a native card if your dad was native, then they changed the rules and now if either the mother or father is native then the child can be considered native and not pay taxes and go hunting and fishing when they like and get other benefits too.
These rules cause tensions between native and non native communities here. I think it would be better to not have these kinds of separations
Before 1980 if a native man married a white women shed get status. If a Native women married a white man, she'd be stripped of status. Full Native is 6:1 status. Half Native is 6:2 status btw for those who don't know. A half can marry another half and make full again. Marrying back in so to speak. So now there's a lot of Natives without status and a lot of white people with status. It was in order to dilute and destroy the Native bloodline. And It's sexist and Degrading towards Native women. It makes far more sense that it goes through the mother. You always know who the mother is but the father is never certain. Especially without DNA tests. Genealogy has always been traced through women in many Native tribes. It's also traced through the women's DNA as well. I'm Native American. Mohawk. Bay of Quinte, Akwasasne. And Brantford 6 Nations.
They can't change it, its what's written in the torah
He has a Jewish identity from us but we did not convert him (mostly because the Rabbanut here would force us to become religious to convert him). Neither of us care about religion and no one here seems to care. Our son is free to convert himself if he wants. He did decide to have a bar mitzvah with aliya letorah- that was his decision, not ours.
My father is Jewish/Israeli and my mother is Catholic/American, I was raised culturally both and with the choice. From the time i was a little girl I always felt more connected to Judaism than anything else. My father told me that if thats what I felt than that is what i was just keep in mind that my mother is not Jewish.
i feel sad for u.... 💔
I acknowledge them as Jewish,we really need to encourage this part of our population to be so or our numbers will continue to go down.
+goggle that way you separate your own people, my friend who is jewish by her father side is in israel and fights with the IDF for YOUR freedom yet she wont be a jew..bet you wont mind she dies. sick man. I am not jew btw 100% white.
V Turpin, so using your logic, let us also count the population of cats as Jewish and then our numbers will really climb. & then let us count ants as being Jewish. Then our numbers will REALLY climb.
@@meme-bd5hk that is a strawman arguement
@@husskiii, you claim my response is a strawman arguement.
Ok, then please tell me what the difference is between adding people arbitrarily to adding cats and ants to increase the total number count. Keep in mind the argument presented was that the more we count to be Jewish the higher our total numbers will be.
@3:37 is he rolling a blunt?
yes! my boyfriend is like that, got a jewish father and a christian mother. he is jewish! he does the holidays pray, not connected at all to jesus or anything like that.... i love him and will stay with him!
Is he circumcised ?
no, but it doesn't matter. His mother at his birth wasn't really connected to Judaism so she didn't want to, but now she is. Besides many Israelis today do not get their kids circumcised...
many ? No...
many yes, I read an article about it here in Israel..
Your boyfriend is not Jewish. He may follow Jewish traditions and feel connected, but he is not connected unleast he converts properly. It's nothing wrong with him. Everyone is a human being and deserves respect. But he is not Jewish.
Your mother is always your mother... your father could be anyone.
no, your mother could be anyone,for example if father is Polish and he has intimate with German woman his child becomes half german, if he has intimate with english woman or someone else,then child becomes half english, it means father chooses child's mother's identity.
@@ANGEL-ft2xh But im saying everyone always knows who the father is. A woman can cheat and the father could be anyone. Before DNA testing, you can only truly be sure of the mother. Thats why Jewish lineage is passed down through the mother.
@@ANGEL-ft2xh only mother is important,mother's stay with kids ,men don't
You should have asked if a Jewish mother and a gentile father have children, is he/she Jewish?
That way, you know if it's not because halaja, rather just rejection of "gentiles"
הורה רבי יעקוב איש כפר גיבוריא ישראל הבא על נכרית מלין בנו בשבת
If I am film producer the last guy would be my main actor in a movie
Hey I have a question, Doesn't a person become a Jew through the Paternal lineage? Because even in your Torah or whatever you call it, you're supposed to descend from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and then the 12 tribes of Israel, am I wrong or were all the guys I mentioned females? I thought you held the fathers name and had to be paternally related straight to Abraham.
They weren't Jewish, they were Hebrews.
European Knight, a person is a Jew based on the mother alone. One can descend from their mother from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as well. But that is not really the issue anyway. The tribe a person belongs to is determined however by one's father. If the father is a Gentile and the mother is Jewish, the child is a Jew without a tribe.
Joshua Creasey
you're not making sense. What's false?
@Joshua Creasey he's actually one of the few people here who got it right. Why false?
The religion of Judaism is passed down matrilineally because during ancient times they didn't have a way to test who the father was and you always know who the mother is lol
Religiously, I don't know. However, the ethnic part doesn't change that. There are so many people who are ethnically Jewish but not religiously Jewish. A Jew is both a cultural and religious thing.
I'm German on my mother's side, of Mizrahi Jewish descent on my father's side, I was raised German and a little Ashkenazi, and I'm considered to be an Arab. By both sides. A fundamentally different species, that is.
I do not consider myself Jewish in any way anymore. Their gatekeeping is extremely effective.
I'd rather consider myself Middle Eastern although even know what country my paternal grandfather's family came from because I was denied the information. I'm no Jew, not once they treated me like a was one of them, but somehow when it comes to my grandfather's country of origin, "Jew" is the only information considered relevant.
One woman you interviewed gave the impression that she fears that no Jewish man will marry a Jewish woman if they don't threaten the men with expelling their children from the community.
She's probably right.
At least that's an explanation.
I came in at .03 percent ashkenazi on 23 and me? Can i join the IDF?
Seriously? My mother and i got the SAME. Shouldn't she have more anyway? Thats so hilarious. 😂😂
Oy Vey im going to Israel too
@@JohnSmith-is4uuhahahahahhaha
אבל אב יהודי יהודי מן התורה למשפחותם לבית אבותם
It use to be in Vice Versa!
According to the halachah( jewish law) " no"
But according with the old testment "yes" cause Abraham created Itsak and Itsak created Jacob, in this order, it does not say Sarah
It is paternal as the arab people..
My father's mother was a jew. When I did the 23andme ancestry test it said I'm 23% Ashkenazi, which is consequently my overall dominant "ethnicity". I don't really feel Jewish at all except when confronting antisemitism. That kind of sucks, jews won't consider me as one of theirs, but antisemites will gladly consider me as a jew and hate me for it when I confront them.
My mother is catholic and my dad is Jewish, I consider myself Jewish just because I have it in my blood and I go to synagogue, I am converting to full and having a bat mitzvah. Even tho it’s only half in my blood and there will be critics. I want to be jewish
Your post is very perplexing, If you are converting why would you consider yourself to be Jewish currently? Are you speaking about this with an Orthodox Rabbi?
Also you can't be half jewish.
You’re half Khazar.
to me, what matters more than blood is faith! it dose not matter if you are Sepharadi, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, American, Israeli, or Indian.
if you love Hashem, and believe in him, than that makes you a Jew more than blood! i have known American Jews with born from two Jewish parents, but who go by there Christian names to be like everyone else and dont want to have anything to do with their own faith! but even if you our only half, or even a quarter Jewish, and you embrace your Jewish heritage and truly want to be Jewish, than i consider you both a Jew and my family :D
Oh, now I understand. Thanks Corey.
YES 100%,
Joseph married & Egyptian woman & had 2 sons, Ephraim & Manessah.
I don't know why Jews have forsaken that Biblical example & followed the world's way.
That was before the torah was given to them. When God gave them the torah, the law changed.
@@barbarathomas9534, I would add to your comment that Joseph's wife was not actually Egyptian. She was ADOPTED by an Egyptian couple who could not have their own children. Her adopted father was actually a eunuch. Her birth mother was Dinah who was the daughter of Jacob. She was raped by Shechem who sired her. She then gave her up for adoption due to the stigma of the rape. The Midrash speaks about this.
Few other examples are Moses and Boaz, they too married foreign wives. The father determines the bloodline. Semites come from Shem, Hamites come from Cham and Japhites come from Japhet.
The Torah says that whoever is born to a Jewish mother is a Jew and who is born to a Gentile mother is a Gentile, regardless of the Father.
The Torah does not say this.
@@milleziano She does.
@@joni6875 No, it does NOT. You're just regurgitating modern judaism.
Who cares about being jewish or whatever? It's about ethics and moral
Nice article/programme.
I would like to ask a question?
Those it really matter in this day and age, what ethnicity or race anyone is?
Why do we create things to separate mankind.
Good that you have done these interviews, it just goes to show human nature and how floored we are regardless of how far we think we have come.
I like the both couples and their outlook in life.
All the best buddy keep em talking, it helps.
would u ask that question now?
משפחותם בית אבותם אם אביו יהודי הוא יהודי מן התורה
Indeed anyone in is this world can revert to the religion of Islam, rich, poor, black, white, it does not matter.
yasmin nyt, that's what makes it not an exclusive "club," not to mention the conversion by the sword that is tied to its history. The main reason anyone can join Islam it to achieve religion and world domination.
The more you have of a certain thing, the less valuable and/or rare it is.
Your chatting utter nonsense!
yasmin nyt, right, that's why you're showing more emotions than facts...
Not at all!
yasmin nyt, LOL, right...
The Rambams nonsense opinion is if The mother isn't jewish then the offspring isn't either. Hameiri says if the father is jewish then you are a biblical Jew if mom is jewish you are a rabinic Jew.
I wonder how Jews converted "Judaism" from a religion to ethnic, just because they like the made up idea that they are the "God's Chosen People".....
God sent prophets like Moses,Jesus and Mohammed to guide all people to belief not just for specific selected group.
This is the greatness of ISLAM that the person who believes is the chosen and best one regardless to his parents, color or origin!
***** Hi ELEONORA! Thank u for ur comment :) I agree with every single word u said especially about showing no anger or hate and accept each other,
Actually i did not mean to offend anyone but I said what I got in my mind as I can clearly understand the view of Christianity as a religion to invite all people to faith but Jews view (Being Jewish and one of the god's chosen people cus the mother is Jewish even though he/she doesn't believe!) sorry it doesn't make sense in my logic..
Anyway, anyone can think whatever he wants about himself -even if we don't like it- so personally i have no problem with "God's chosen people" but I have a real problem with Jewish behavior due to these thoughts.
I'm a Muslim and I believe in Moses & Jesus the same as Mohammed even in Islam I would not be a Muslim if I did not believe in all prophets. GOD BLESS ALL THE WORLD IN PEACE
***** easy dear! i didn't mean to insult but said what i think about the question of this video##
***** Well this video discusses a religious issue which is sensitive for many people but the question of the video is to hear others opinion so the one who watch it should be open to hear others view as long as no bad or abusive words.
***** I think we all have one God who created the universe and created all of us but we just got different ideas about this God.
In my view, The merciful Allah is all the sad world needs :)
***** Any time! it was nice talk, the world needs more peaceful people like u. God bless u
My dad is jewish my mom is Christian. I consider myself half and half
No such thing as half. Being half Jewish... It's like somebody being half pregnant.
Half Christian?
That´s a very wise way!
Jews want their cake and eat it too. The hypocrisy is astounding
So you believe in Jesus in the morning and reject him in the evening?
My dad is jewish and my mom's not but everyone assumes i'm jewish because of my name, but my dads side of the family and all my cousins/aunts/uncles/grandparents are very jewish so I was always at their bar and bat mitzvahs and jewish funerals and everything like that growing up and my grandpa lived in Israel and they go there a lot and speak hebrew to each other all the time. My mom was a christian and she used to try to bring me to church, but they said I wasn't a christian because I had a jewish name and my dad was jewish so we stopped going. so I'm just neither I guess.
still Jewish ethnically
***** well that escalated quickly
***** it is based on your father and not the mother..The torah speaks of the father lineage not mother..The state of Israel (who is full of people not of jew blood or israelite blood, but rather people from all these european country messing up the religion and mocking God
***** Reform Jews and Qaraite Jews recognize patrilineal Jews. In the Bible Jewishness was pass on by your father.
Nehmi
very true
The majority of ashkenazis are not jews by maternal line
I hate to say this but, as a Muslim, when I see comments about how you hate Islam, with your "facts" that Islam is cruel and bad, my response is: you don't know Islam, so please shut up, learn your religion first before you judge my religion. Because you know Islam from all the propaganda and fake informations, you don't know Islam. And I don't think you will change your opinion about Islam anyways, because it already stated in Al-Qur'an that the Jewish and Christians will never accept us, Muslims, until we follow what Jewish and Christians want. And we Muslims will never follow you, because it's stated in Al-Qur'an too that we should keep our religion, Islam, and you do what your religion told you so, and we will never disturb you, that's tolerance.
My point is, don't judge and mock other religion, because that's not what your religion told you to do, and it makes you look stupid. Learn your religion better, and keep it at it.
Okay So I have a Jewish Father and a Non-Jewish Mother. I am Christian by Faith, But I am Jewish by Blood.. Does that make sense? And, I'm not Religious. And so am I considered a Jew still or not? Sorry for the dumb question :$ :c xdd
if you feel jewish you love the religion, you love the holidays and celebrate them you are jewish! only by the Halacha u are not/
So basically, you are not Jewish unless you convert
By Halacha of the Torah (as Karaites-Lemba-Ethiopians-Merkava sects all follow), you are Jewish. By the halacha of the Talmud (revised after 200AD, heretically i.e. with no sanhedrin nor prophet's authority to change the Torah's halacha), then you aren't Jewish. But you can become an Israeli citizen either way, by showing your father's lineage (he or his ancestors burial in Jewish cemeteries, synagogue affiliations, etc).
to me you are, by the HALACHA you are not, but it doesnt matter. as long as you know what you are and what you believe in..
I'm sorry to tell it, but you're not Jewish. If you want to become Jewish, you need to convert. You can't change the Jewish law. What you feel or what other think doesn't matter. Only Gods opinion matters. And for God you're not Jewish and so don't need to follow the 613 commandments, but only 7 for the gentiles. Good luck with everything ;) The Jewish people would appreciate, if you'll decide to join, but it's not necessary.