Great video Julie! I personally don't play Everskies but I can see how this change could be upsetting to the user base and cause lots of controversy. The UI change definitely seems frustrating and as someone who has a lot of stress surrounding unexpected design changes I see how people could be upset about this. From an outsider perspective removing the forum seems like an extreme but almost expected response from user outrage about their lack of proper moderation. If hiring 100 moderators is unfeasible and you lack the ability to manage a community that is growing in toxicity the extreme response is one to remove the community even if its in the short term. People need to remember that this game is indie and is run by a small group of people. This is not the same as a huge corporation running a website with market research teams and experience in managing a large user base. This userbase seems hostile and reactionary, which is how many newer communities have grown these days. I can see how managing a site full of frustrations and anger towards the moderators could make them just want much of that hate to just disappear. It is important to listen to community input but it is difficult when there is also so much hate directed towards you at the same time making it impossible for the brain to comprehend and manage. I hope the devs can find a solution to this problem and are able to keep hostility low and community engagement high.
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This all just shows me how much harder it is to create a forum-based social network game for older audiences. I've grown up on these and always wanted to start one,in the future when I do I will watch how certain mistakes and certain actions have to lead to certain things and hopefully use that data to make the best decisions for my game
this is like teachers telling cliques of teenagers to sort their problems out themselves. if you know a majority of your userbase is young, especially teenaged, you NEED to have some form of authority over them. otherwise, things are destined to get clique-y, dramatic and eventually cause the collapse of the social half of the game. if it becomes solely dress up, they’ll do the exact same thing in discord servers if they don’t have people stepping in and helping. ugh.
Everskies was the most toxic, hateful, explosive group I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with for a few weeks when I did play. And it was quite large too! If you were a calm reserved individual who didn't spill everything in your life on that website or got into uncomfortable petty dramas you were the minority by a long shot. It was swept away by Tik Tok brainrot kids/teens for sure. A lot of "movements" made by people about their friends being banned even though said friend did something much against the rules, saying that their friend was banned because they were "(insert here) phobic," just so much that there is too much to talk about, but it always enraged me how there was never a strong stance against these forums and instead, rallying and support for these "movements." It was chaos.
it has gotten better frl frl people are respecting others and being nice i respect what u say but i feel like it depends on what "group" or "friends" u communicate with. Not all people on everskies are that way.
i only registered a bit over a month ago but as an adult i feel like the only good part of the forums was the mature section. everything else was a feral shithole tbh
Absolutely the same, I also joined a bit over a month ago and the only good thing was the mature forums. Now it's about 10 times worse. Constant errors, less users online overall... the site is dying big time.
AAVE is a creole, not a language..It's like speaking Haitian in France. It stands out and not standardized, including not easy to understand that is ugly. That being banned is a good thing.
More Everskies drama, I'm not even surprised at this point. I always love forums on games (Especially in the kind of old-school forum style most vp games have) and all that I really did on Everskies was talk on the forums so I'm definitely just gonna drop the game if they remove it.
@@PSJulie I assume you're referring to Virtual Pet Games? (If not I'm going on this rant for nothing LOL, apologies if you didn't mean vp games) If so, the current ones I log onto daily are Flight Rising, Wolvden, Neopets, and Chicken Smoothie. I've dabbled in Dappervolk, Lioden, and a few more that I can't list off the top of my head. Nothing's really stuck like the original 4 I listed, though.
The front page layout issue sounds like what's going on with Ravelry (a knitting/crochet site), where a UI change wasn't optimized & now a good size chunk of the users find it hard to view, to the point some people have had medical reactions. Hopefully Everskies will handle it better than them, since all they've done is double down on keeping it instead of making any fixes.
this whole thing just forces me to think... what else could they have done? if they'd enforced a stricter filter/mod rules from the get-go it could've worked, but knowing the tween/teen userbase there would've been complaints and finding ways around the filter eventually. ES really did get caught in a perfect storm... releasing as fast as possible to ride a fad wave, being too lenient and transparent about interaction with users therefore making moderating difficult, and having a particularly hard to please target demographic. in the meantime, i'm just gonna keep playing minigames and collecting my little pixel clothes, haha.
honestly if they kept it 16+ they would have less users to deal which would without a doubt make the site easier to moderate also maybe a limit to how many forums someone can make in a day
@@PSJulie I think part of the problem is that no one person is really prepared for moderating young teenagers. You can prepare parents to parent a small number of children, you can prepare teachers to look after a small number of students (I'm personally against big classrooms)... But if you're just a small indie developer like parrot, especially just out of or still in school, you can't moderate thousands of teenagers. It's certainly POSSIBLE to moderate thousands of teenagers in an online setting, but that requires CORPORATION money and training. Which sadly isn't something many site owners want to expend to keep kids happy and safe, what with the rise of the algorithm.
@@kamonskye240 Exactly. If trained teachers can't even handle 10-20 students in a zoom classroom, imagine how a college student feels having to deal with thousands lol
i got banned after the "Star catching" update (if YK YK LMAO). You cant even critique the staff without being literally banned. I hated this site after i found out about the racist mods and how Parrot kept is rape-joking girlfriend on the design team (thanks hemli for letting us know that btw). Parrot doesn't care about what the players say, he just wants the money. I've never been more glad to be banned from a site than i was everskies. my mental health is literally so much better. also parrot is kinda ablist with this new format and the fact he didnt do anything to players who said the r-slur :/
In Julie’s older video on this drama, “Everskies: The Architecture of Drama,” at around 12:07 she points out that without Parrot or Tut, there is no game. They are the creators. Should Tut still have been mingling in the forums? Probably not. Like Julie’s analogy, teachers shouldn’t be mingling with the students and all that. Keeping professional distance. Plus Tut seemingly apologized? Unless she re-offended after the apology and didn’t change… what else is she supposed to do?
i agree, to keep optimistic, its quite a mess right now and they need time to figure out what they should do with this site. seeing the awful response the update got, im SURE it wont stay like this forever! i also noticed during the forum era, the userbase has quite a strange parasocial relationship with parrot and the rest of the staff, ive never really seen this before on such a wesbsite, and im not sure why? it feels like the userbase believes they can steer control of the staff and the staff is just there flailing their arms around cuz they dont know what to do about it! there is just no sense of authority
I’m so invested because of the amount of effort I’ve put into building like my wardrobe and participating in events since beta, but man something’s gotta change fast 😔
@@PSJulie I’m definitely thinking one of the biggest problems as a user right now, post-update, is the lack of reach any in-club forum post is getting. Scrolling through the “New” section on the home page, is just a wasteland of 0-3 response posts. Even in the larger clubs, the “trending” page is averaging 10 responses, when old popular forums used to get 100+ pages of responses. Even with 5000 users online, it really feels like we’re talking to ourselves. Would love to see that change, and I think every user has been having their notification bar flooded with dozens of club competition notifs, I hope they add something to filter that out soon. Thanks for asking and sorry for rambling!
I know this is old but I only recently came back to Everskies to see the forums removed. I'm not even mad, tbh. I'm just upset they're putting any social stuff on my feed at all. I really don't want to see it. The userbase is actually disgusting sometimes. It's kinda funny how half the reason the forums were removed was because the userbase thinks the mods are racist, but a lot of things the users post are incredibly offensive and rude. You have no choice of what kind of stuff you see or don't see in your feed. All I wanna see is the new clothes, new events, and my avatar like before. Now, I'm forced to see posts made in clubs I'm not even in the minute I load up the site! (Friendly tip to all my black folks out there: don't join the "black only" clubs. They're racist little echo chambers where people can talk trash about whatever race they like so long as it isn't black. White? screw them. Asian? lol ur food stinks!! Hispanic? Go back to where you came from! It's insane the mindset I see in the clubs. The ethics of those clubs tends to be very reminiscent of the early days of the USA where folks debated whether the Irish or Italians were considered white. I got told I'm not really black because I'm creole, and so therefore, it's appropriation of black culture (culture which _I_ grew up with!!) for me to use AAVE. I was then given a warning for using "fr" in a sentence since that's AAVE :/ Sorry for ranting, I just want real moderators. I love this site so much, it's the users I hate. If only Parrot would make it 16+, invoke stricter rules, and actually hammer down on the insanity!! I understand that they're only kids, but that's exactly why they need to get off Everskies and go outside and play or something! Experience the world and stop gatekeeping human life ffs
I am extremely sorry for what you had to experience, but I recommend just trying to use the game as a buy/shop/dress up instead of looking at the forums ever again at that point, or forgetting about it completely like I did. And that has worked like a charm for me!
@@mustard9808 I just quit the game entirely and now I stick to other dress up games like the style savvy series for my dress up fix. I have some friends who still use the site and I asked them to tell me if anything improves. I'll return to Everskies when it starts being properly cared for cus until then, I see no reason to give the creators my time or money!
I know they probably had to do it due to the craziness on the site, but how are we going to communicate then or find friends with similar ideas and interests? I hope they can solve this problem because unless they make it a whole virtual world, it will be hard to keep people active there.
I miss the mature forums, because you could talk about adult issues etc. i remember today i got banned on the ES general club for "nsfw content" when i was just talking about how im getting braces, and also because i called out racist people etc. i feel crushed lol. That was the only club i was active in, and visited because ES is so boring w/o forums.
"calling out" is against everskies rules so that could've been why. I know folks see a lot of users calling people out and think it's okay, but it's really not. If someone is being racist, report them and block them. There isn't much they can do than just *be racist.* They don't need, nor do they deserve an entire post telling a handful of people that they're bad. I'll do you one better and say that you could even message the mods with screenshots of things the user has said that were racist to help support your case!
Hey Julie! I genuinely think you should return to EverSkies as a topic. So much has gone on and is still going on, and it’s sort of gotten worse! I’d be happy to provide perspective as well!
@@PSJulie Hypothetically, yes. However, that would require some sort of hypothetical societal structure that isn't capitalism. Given that parrot is trying to make a living off of everskies and we don't live in that hypothetical societal structure... It is not currently possible to isolate fashion, the main draw of the game, from consumerism and consumption.
YAY :D thanks for the interesting vid!! it hadn't occurred to me that they were in this "later" stage of "figure it out later"... i'm also very curious to see where it'll go from here
I think a lot of active users really felt annoyed. Moderation had always been a topic of drama and users had been asking for better mods. It was almost like the team thought, "okay you want better moderation, do it yourself". I feel a little bad bc they probably thought everyone would've rlly been excited, but almost everyone felt like they were being lazy. Some other concerns for ppl were the fact that the club owners would be incharge of moderation and that people abuse power and stuff. Imo, i just think it was a dumb move. They could've brought more attention to clubs in a different way, and that there was no reason to remove the forums. Like the main reason people used forums over clubs was that discussions could've been random and anyone could add their opinions , and now were limited to a certain amount of people and whatever clubs owners wanted. Just overall a dumb move.
i just got back to everskies and im extremely overwhelmed by all the new updates :( it makes me automatically log off because i get a bit anxious at how different it is now. what a shame :(
Just joining the site I’ve heard so much stuff that makes me sad from how bad parrot is to the other mods the site is badly run and hopefully will be taken over by someone that isn’t like them
As someone who has never played the game, I am curious whether the developer will make official discord bots to let players integrate their dolls and outfits into other sub communities. Because it is indeed true that removing the forums removes the easiest and most rewarding function for playing the game. Yes, dressing things up is cool, but I imagine people stick around for the community that is built around that. So, maybe fancy discord bots could help them spread their art while still letting players manage their own communities how they want. Spitballing out loud ahaha
I joined yestuarday and they havent made ANYTHING clear to new players . Alot of this its confusing and its very...stupid. i like it,but itll he perfect of the layout was easy.
welp, now that I know to avoid everskies altogether, anyone wanna recommend me some good doll dressup sites or apps? I used to really like Gaia online and LoveNikki, as much as I enjoyed LoveNikki and the event outfits they'd have their story mode can be really grindy and made me not want to play it anymore. As for Gaia online...well, their virtual economy from what I've heard is beyond repair 😬
Ever skies is a good game I’d recommend it I’d avoid the chats and stuff if you don’t like drama but if you still are against ever skies you can try movie star planet 1 or 2. The community is kinda toxic as-well but isn’t as bad I think as ever skies.
Removing the forums is ableist? 🤣 Edit: oh, the layout is ableist...still, that's all you need to know to understand the demographic. If the kids can't handle the forums then the forums are taken away
Great video Julie! I personally don't play Everskies but I can see how this change could be upsetting to the user base and cause lots of controversy. The UI change definitely seems frustrating and as someone who has a lot of stress surrounding unexpected design changes I see how people could be upset about this. From an outsider perspective removing the forum seems like an extreme but almost expected response from user outrage about their lack of proper moderation. If hiring 100 moderators is unfeasible and you lack the ability to manage a community that is growing in toxicity the extreme response is one to remove the community even if its in the short term. People need to remember that this game is indie and is run by a small group of people. This is not the same as a huge corporation running a website with market research teams and experience in managing a large user base.
This userbase seems hostile and reactionary, which is how many newer communities have grown these days. I can see how managing a site full of frustrations and anger towards the moderators could make them just want much of that hate to just disappear. It is important to listen to community input but it is difficult when there is also so much hate directed towards you at the same time making it impossible for the brain to comprehend and manage. I hope the devs can find a solution to this problem and are able to keep hostility low and community engagement high.
Parrot never listens to the users, he quit his own job to run everskies. What a shame.
homeboy quit his job only to fuck up his 'new job' even more lmao
wait parrot quit?
@@artemisquantum what is his new job
@@wutheringheights01 i- he doesnt have a job hus job is to run everskies
@@zxru3646 OH PLZ I THOUGHT THEY MEANT HE WUIT EVERSKIES
The unknown errors are a pain in the ass
Agreed
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This all just shows me how much harder it is to create a forum-based social network game for older audiences. I've grown up on these and always wanted to start one,in the future when I do I will watch how certain mistakes and certain actions have to lead to certain things and hopefully use that data to make the best decisions for my game
From my research (cataloguing declared ages), the average everskies user is under the age of 18. An older audience might have a different response.
IT'S STILL TOXIC TO THIS DAY
this is like teachers telling cliques of teenagers to sort their problems out themselves. if you know a majority of your userbase is young, especially teenaged, you NEED to have some form of authority over them. otherwise, things are destined to get clique-y, dramatic and eventually cause the collapse of the social half of the game. if it becomes solely dress up, they’ll do the exact same thing in discord servers if they don’t have people stepping in and helping. ugh.
Everskies was the most toxic, hateful, explosive group I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with for a few weeks when I did play. And it was quite large too! If you were a calm reserved individual who didn't spill everything in your life on that website or got into uncomfortable petty dramas you were the minority by a long shot. It was swept away by Tik Tok brainrot kids/teens for sure.
A lot of "movements" made by people about their friends being banned even though said friend did something much against the rules, saying that their friend was banned because they were "(insert here) phobic," just so much that there is too much to talk about, but it always enraged me how there was never a strong stance against these forums and instead, rallying and support for these "movements." It was chaos.
it has gotten better frl frl people are respecting others and being nice i respect what u say but i feel like it depends on what "group" or "friends" u communicate with. Not all people on everskies are that way.
Not at all yhe black users there are so damn entitled and shitty it's so irritating they dogpiled so bad @@2.xclusive._kyla
The site was already bad enough, I can't even bring myself to play anymore even as a beta player
same :/
agree. as a beta user myself, i'm disappointed but not surprise.
The game was so much better when it was in beta.. it became so boring and so hard after it left beta
@@veganjonathan4589 exactly.
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I literally left as seeing the forms in the corner would give me anxiety as it was non stop drama from children. I might go back now
i only registered a bit over a month ago but as an adult i feel like the only good part of the forums was the mature section. everything else was a feral shithole tbh
Absolutely the same, I also joined a bit over a month ago and the only good thing was the mature forums. Now it's about 10 times worse. Constant errors, less users online overall... the site is dying big time.
I gave up a while ago. I got bullied so bad on that site. The community is toxic and the site is terribly run.
Lmao how u get bullied on a dress up game
Youd be surprised the community is like twitter and tumblr combined
@@jeanicee5620 * You've been banned for using AAVE. Your message : "bruh are u fr rn?" *
@@sta._rina Exactly!!
AAVE is a creole, not a language..It's like speaking Haitian in France. It stands out and not standardized, including not easy to understand that is ugly. That being banned is a good thing.
I miss the everskies chatrooms sm and the fact that we use to be able to post forums outside of clubs :(
More Everskies drama, I'm not even surprised at this point. I always love forums on games (Especially in the kind of old-school forum style most vp games have) and all that I really did on Everskies was talk on the forums so I'm definitely just gonna drop the game if they remove it.
What other games in the category do you play?
@@PSJulie I assume you're referring to Virtual Pet Games? (If not I'm going on this rant for nothing LOL, apologies if you didn't mean vp games)
If so, the current ones I log onto daily are Flight Rising, Wolvden, Neopets, and Chicken Smoothie. I've dabbled in Dappervolk, Lioden, and a few more that I can't list off the top of my head. Nothing's really stuck like the original 4 I listed, though.
The front page layout issue sounds like what's going on with Ravelry (a knitting/crochet site), where a UI change wasn't optimized & now a good size chunk of the users find it hard to view, to the point some people have had medical reactions. Hopefully Everskies will handle it better than them, since all they've done is double down on keeping it instead of making any fixes.
The comparison to Ravelry is really interesting! Thank you for bringing that up!
this whole thing just forces me to think... what else could they have done? if they'd enforced a stricter filter/mod rules from the get-go it could've worked, but knowing the tween/teen userbase there would've been complaints and finding ways around the filter eventually. ES really did get caught in a perfect storm... releasing as fast as possible to ride a fad wave, being too lenient and transparent about interaction with users therefore making moderating difficult, and having a particularly hard to please target demographic. in the meantime, i'm just gonna keep playing minigames and collecting my little pixel clothes, haha.
honestly if they kept it 16+ they would have less users to deal which would without a doubt make the site easier to moderate
also maybe a limit to how many forums someone can make in a day
There's no tween userbase, this game is for teens and adults only
I think raising the age gate would have had a big influence on chat quality. From my records, most users are under the age of 18. Big tween energy.
@@PSJulie I think part of the problem is that no one person is really prepared for moderating young teenagers. You can prepare parents to parent a small number of children, you can prepare teachers to look after a small number of students (I'm personally against big classrooms)... But if you're just a small indie developer like parrot, especially just out of or still in school, you can't moderate thousands of teenagers. It's certainly POSSIBLE to moderate thousands of teenagers in an online setting, but that requires CORPORATION money and training. Which sadly isn't something many site owners want to expend to keep kids happy and safe, what with the rise of the algorithm.
@@kamonskye240 Exactly. If trained teachers can't even handle 10-20 students in a zoom classroom, imagine how a college student feels having to deal with thousands lol
i got banned after the "Star catching" update (if YK YK LMAO). You cant even critique the staff without being literally banned. I hated this site after i found out about the racist mods and how Parrot kept is rape-joking girlfriend on the design team (thanks hemli for letting us know that btw). Parrot doesn't care about what the players say, he just wants the money. I've never been more glad to be banned from a site than i was everskies. my mental health is literally so much better.
also parrot is kinda ablist with this new format and the fact he didnt do anything to players who said the r-slur :/
In Julie’s older video on this drama, “Everskies: The Architecture of Drama,” at around 12:07 she points out that without Parrot or Tut, there is no game. They are the creators. Should Tut still have been mingling in the forums? Probably not. Like Julie’s analogy, teachers shouldn’t be mingling with the students and all that. Keeping professional distance.
Plus Tut seemingly apologized? Unless she re-offended after the apology and didn’t change… what else is she supposed to do?
lol I can tell Lanzer to eat my salty ass and I won't even get a warning on gaia, it's a greedy site but hey, at least there's that.
people were panphobic DAILY on there but god forbid me someone whos part russian makes a joke about russians lol
I took a break from this game for 2 months cuz the community was stressful to be in, to say the least. I'm disappointed that I came back to this
i started playing in january when it was still in beta and it’s been painful to watch it’s downfall. it seemed so cool at first and now…
Right! I wish I had joined a bit earlier around 2020 so I could see how fun it really was before all the drama got worse
i agree, to keep optimistic, its quite a mess right now and they need time to figure out what they should do with this site. seeing the awful response the update got, im SURE it wont stay like this forever! i also noticed during the forum era, the userbase has quite a strange parasocial relationship with parrot and the rest of the staff, ive never really seen this before on such a wesbsite, and im not sure why? it feels like the userbase believes they can steer control of the staff and the staff is just there flailing their arms around cuz they dont know what to do about it! there is just no sense of authority
There is a notable parasocial relationship with parrot. That's a good thoughts starter.
i hate this app so much. it's not the site layout it's the toxic community and the insane people on there.
I’m so invested because of the amount of effort I’ve put into building like my wardrobe and participating in events since beta, but man something’s gotta change fast 😔
What changes would you recommend?
@@PSJulie I’m definitely thinking one of the biggest problems as a user right now, post-update, is the lack of reach any in-club forum post is getting. Scrolling through the “New” section on the home page, is just a wasteland of 0-3 response posts. Even in the larger clubs, the “trending” page is averaging 10 responses, when old popular forums used to get 100+ pages of responses. Even with 5000 users online, it really feels like we’re talking to ourselves. Would love to see that change, and I think every user has been having their notification bar flooded with dozens of club competition notifs, I hope they add something to filter that out soon. Thanks for asking and sorry for rambling!
Thank you for your response, it was very succinct and not rambly at all! I agree about the club notifications.
I know this is old but I only recently came back to Everskies to see the forums removed. I'm not even mad, tbh. I'm just upset they're putting any social stuff on my feed at all. I really don't want to see it. The userbase is actually disgusting sometimes. It's kinda funny how half the reason the forums were removed was because the userbase thinks the mods are racist, but a lot of things the users post are incredibly offensive and rude. You have no choice of what kind of stuff you see or don't see in your feed. All I wanna see is the new clothes, new events, and my avatar like before. Now, I'm forced to see posts made in clubs I'm not even in the minute I load up the site!
(Friendly tip to all my black folks out there: don't join the "black only" clubs. They're racist little echo chambers where people can talk trash about whatever race they like so long as it isn't black. White? screw them. Asian? lol ur food stinks!! Hispanic? Go back to where you came from! It's insane the mindset I see in the clubs. The ethics of those clubs tends to be very reminiscent of the early days of the USA where folks debated whether the Irish or Italians were considered white. I got told I'm not really black because I'm creole, and so therefore, it's appropriation of black culture (culture which _I_ grew up with!!) for me to use AAVE. I was then given a warning for using "fr" in a sentence since that's AAVE :/
Sorry for ranting, I just want real moderators. I love this site so much, it's the users I hate. If only Parrot would make it 16+, invoke stricter rules, and actually hammer down on the insanity!! I understand that they're only kids, but that's exactly why they need to get off Everskies and go outside and play or something! Experience the world and stop gatekeeping human life ffs
I am extremely sorry for what you had to experience, but I recommend just trying to use the game as a buy/shop/dress up instead of looking at the forums ever again at that point, or forgetting about it completely like I did. And that has worked like a charm for me!
@@mustard9808 I just quit the game entirely and now I stick to other dress up games like the style savvy series for my dress up fix. I have some friends who still use the site and I asked them to tell me if anything improves. I'll return to Everskies when it starts being properly cared for cus until then, I see no reason to give the creators my time or money!
@@mustard9808 can you earn real money in this game if you make your own designs?
Es is still a hell hole, all the forum and club mods are overly sensitive, rude, and abuse power
Me, who just joined Everskies today: THERE WAS A FORUM????????????????????
I know they probably had to do it due to the craziness on the site, but how are we going to communicate then or find friends with similar ideas and interests? I hope they can solve this problem because unless they make it a whole virtual world, it will be hard to keep people active there.
There are groups based around interests.
I miss the mature forums, because you could talk about adult issues etc.
i remember today i got banned on the ES general club for "nsfw content" when i was just talking about how im getting braces, and also because i called out racist people etc. i feel crushed lol. That was the only club i was active in, and visited because ES is so boring w/o forums.
"calling out" is against everskies rules so that could've been why. I know folks see a lot of users calling people out and think it's okay, but it's really not. If someone is being racist, report them and block them. There isn't much they can do than just *be racist.* They don't need, nor do they deserve an entire post telling a handful of people that they're bad. I'll do you one better and say that you could even message the mods with screenshots of things the user has said that were racist to help support your case!
Hey Julie! I genuinely think you should return to EverSkies as a topic. So much has gone on and is still going on, and it’s sort of gotten worse! I’d be happy to provide perspective as well!
i literally quit the game, bc or the updates. prioritizing consumerism and consumption over an actual community of fashion
Can you isolate fashion from consumerism and consumption?
@@PSJulie Hypothetically, yes. However, that would require some sort of hypothetical societal structure that isn't capitalism. Given that parrot is trying to make a living off of everskies and we don't live in that hypothetical societal structure... It is not currently possible to isolate fashion, the main draw of the game, from consumerism and consumption.
YAY :D thanks for the interesting vid!! it hadn't occurred to me that they were in this "later" stage of "figure it out later"... i'm also very curious to see where it'll go from here
I think they were in a scramble to launch as soon as possible. Now they're dealing with the issues that resulted from thinking and implementing fast.
not suprised... everytime i check back on how this website is doing it just gets 10x worse
I think a lot of active users really felt annoyed. Moderation had always been a topic of drama and users had been asking for better mods. It was almost like the team thought, "okay you want better moderation, do it yourself". I feel a little bad bc they probably thought everyone would've rlly been excited, but almost everyone felt like they were being lazy. Some other concerns for ppl were the fact that the club owners would be incharge of moderation and that people abuse power and stuff. Imo, i just think it was a dumb move. They could've brought more attention to clubs in a different way, and that there was no reason to remove the forums. Like the main reason people used forums over clubs was that discussions could've been random and anyone could add their opinions , and now were limited to a certain amount of people and whatever clubs owners wanted. Just overall a dumb move.
"Unable to connection" thanks everskies I can't play this game anymore
i just got back to everskies and im extremely overwhelmed by all the new updates :( it makes me automatically log off because i get a bit anxious at how different it is now. what a shame :(
all i wanna know is why it keeps logging me out of everskies and why its so laggy in the game.
I don't understand how the feed solves the moderation problem though.
Ooohh boi.... *never saw that coming* feels like early Christmas....
It was a true shock
Why can’t accounts under the „age“ of 7 days chat anymore?
The only wild part of the forums was general, for the *minors* .
Just joining the site I’ve heard so much stuff that makes me sad from how bad parrot is to the other mods the site is badly run and hopefully will be taken over by someone that isn’t like them
plus the update in january made everyone lose their clothes and profile stuff i stopped playing bc of that
By update do you mean game launch
They need to hire a UX and accessibility designer
how do u see how many ppl are online at the time?
As someone who has never played the game, I am curious whether the developer will make official discord bots to let players integrate their dolls and outfits into other sub communities. Because it is indeed true that removing the forums removes the easiest and most rewarding function for playing the game. Yes, dressing things up is cool, but I imagine people stick around for the community that is built around that. So, maybe fancy discord bots could help them spread their art while still letting players manage their own communities how they want. Spitballing out loud ahaha
The game lags to fucking much they need to stop updating the game period
I joined yestuarday and they havent made ANYTHING clear to new players . Alot of this its confusing and its very...stupid. i like it,but itll he perfect of the layout was easy.
welp, now that I know to avoid everskies altogether, anyone wanna recommend me some good doll dressup sites or apps? I used to really like Gaia online and LoveNikki, as much as I enjoyed LoveNikki and the event outfits they'd have their story mode can be really grindy and made me not want to play it anymore. As for Gaia online...well, their virtual economy from what I've heard is beyond repair 😬
Theyve fixed the economy somewhat but gaia online is a husk of its former self in terms of active userbase
Ever skies is a good game I’d recommend it I’d avoid the chats and stuff if you don’t like drama but if you still are against ever skies you can try movie star planet 1 or 2. The community is kinda toxic as-well but isn’t as bad I think as ever skies.
Omg playboi is the thumbnail lol
Parrot jjust listen to people already damn
My sister acc got banned for permanent just bc she's 10:/
Everskies is a 13+ site. Your sister shouldn't even be on the internet, no offense. Also if she was lying about her age that's also another reason
@@lunar4724 she didn't even lying on her age, but idk
Hey Uhm, I don't believe a user can register an account with a declared age of 10. Like Lunar said, lying about age is a bannable offense.
Removing the forums is ableist? 🤣 Edit: oh, the layout is ableist...still, that's all you need to know to understand the demographic. If the kids can't handle the forums then the forums are taken away