Kostornaia's technique looks really old school when you run them all side by side like this! "Bigger is better" vs "faster is better." I have more faith in bigger jumps but there's something to be said for the flow in the fast ones .
Kostornaia has the height and power in her jumps which make them look super effortless. She also has a very controlled leg wrap similar to Mitori Ito’s but it’s more controlled. She uses her legs and relies on the height and speed going into the jump rather than snap, upper body and speed of rotation. Her jumps end up looking far more smoother and effortless compared to others. And with the skaters who rotate fast, they have a long set-up in preparation for the amount of power they’ll need to rotate fast. But, old school technique was able to get the height and massive power in the jumps was that they had really long transitions and the transitions and steps going in and out of the jumps now a days means smaller and faster jumps. But Kostornaia keeps the massive height. She’s training a quad toe, but honestly, she would have a better chance going for a quad flip considering her leg wrap on the flip means if she tightens more, she could get a quad flip.
I think that the bigger and faster jumps shouldn’t be “old school,” cuz as we have seen many times. People with small but fast jumps tend to only last a year or two competitively, and the thing with “old school” is that they lasted for years, and would be in the game for a while. Compared to now it’s super short. That’s why yes Kostornia has pretty technique, but good technique is able to withstand puberty as well, and we have seen many many examples of that, like Mao Asada, didn’t see her stop doing the triple axel for a year. So Kostornia had a solid jump, wouldn’t necessarily call it beautiful, cuz something about those landings don’t give me a sense of ease.
@@sebastianenjcb193 I can see what you're saying but I don't know that I would put Mao Asada in the "old school" category. She had a slight, fast rotating technique that seems to have been the basis for the modern technique, especially as far as the 3A is concerned. Her 3A has more in common with Valieva than Ito.
On the side by side it's so evident that she under rotates her 3A. In her 16. While Ito made it full in her adult's age. Now Alyona can't make 3A at all. One season jumper? )) Eteri's product..
@@sebastianenjcb193 I agree. I think by old school it means just that it doesn’t require fast rotation and the position of the legs isn’t as tight. Whereas, newer technique does rely on that speed of rotation and tightness in air
Midori is/was truly a naturally gifted athlete. The shear height of her jumps is unreal. Proper technique allowed her to do whatever she wanted with her jumps. Never ever had any issues with under rotation. Absolutely believe Midori Ito's programs could still win titles today 20, 30 years later. Surya Bonaly also pushed bar with jumping.
@@beniceovna8762 I’ll encourage you to go back and pause when she’s in the air. It’s huge: she is way above the ice. Also, first woman to land a 3A and the only thing you can say is it’s “low and stumpy?” For shame.
When you put Kostornaia and Midori Ito's axel side by side in the end was just amazing. The height and elegance they both got. I hope Kostornaia has her axel back, because even with a rippon, her triple axel still has the best entry and height.
Kostornaia's 3A was easily the most gorgeous and effortless 3A in the sport - men included. I'm so gutted that RusFed is basically done with her and she will never have her big moment.
@@ShmooieLowenstein Yeah, RusFed is stupid for hating on Kostornaia on the most trivial things like change of coaches, hair color, etc. But the good thing is the International audience and judges love Kostornaia. You can see the difference on the International judging vs Russian Nationals.
Midori is still the 3A queen when it comes to height...it's ridiculously high.. Alena's 3A has good height and is more elegant. The skaters of the 90s have way better 3Lutz techniques than the current skaters. Overall, figure skating has improved beautifully.
Transitions, that's the difference between past and current jump. Even 3A can be made more difficult like Alena did in 2019-2020 season. Other 3 jumps like 3Lo by Kaori is another example where jump is perfectly blended into the program via transitions.
I’d say the difference is pre-rotations and improper technique. Skaters like Harding and Ito did not have transitions going into or out of their jumps (skaters like Yamaguchi did though), but their technique is better. 30 years later and Ito still has the best 3A.
That's only a small sample but I believe severe prerotation issue has existed since ever. But I agree that currently many skaters that have improper technique enjoy success and receive high GOE than skaters with good technique.
@@fong03 Years ago there were no transitions as there are now. These days I think skating is a lot harder. I'm old school and it is so different to my old days. But I encourage the new development of our sport 😉
The thing about Tonya and Midori's jumps is that they got so much height that there was just a ton of time when they completed rotation before hitting the ice. It was just really beautiful and powerful. A lot of the ones we see now are lower and the skier spins really fast, but it completes just as they hit the ice, or even after. It just isn't as thrilling to me.
Plus you can literally see the prerotation with a lot of the new Russian skaters! Even if not technically flawless I consider Tonya and Midori's jumps more "clean" as they don't cut corners
Can't thank you enough for this vid! I was always a 90s skating fan, seeing the difference with today is exciting. What I see today is that jumps don't tend to be that high, is more about rotation and quads. Midori is amazing, unmatched even to today's standard, the height and power she had is unreal.
Я просто любитель фигурного катания, это красиво и захватывающе. На мой взгляд, сильно изменились сопутствующие элементы. Заход перед прыжком и выход из него - это теперь сложнейшая система, и с точки зрения хореографии как это всё вплетено в программу! Прыжки в прошлом выглядят как отдельно стоящий подвиг, а сегодня как элемент хореографической программы. Видимо, сильно изменился тренерский подход, появились новые методы и инструменты, помогающие фигуристам добиться нужной легкости в исполнении. Прогресс не стоит на месте, многие девчонки уже четверные прыгают вовсю!!
Ага , а разница в кондициях спортсменок вас не смущает ? ) Нужной лёгкости исполнения ))) Далее ,возраст когда катается подросток 15-17 лет или зрелая девушка 22-25 лет это на минуточку мягко говоря немного разное фигурное катание по исполнению и смотрится это разительно по другому. Возрастной ценз не зря ввели с 15 лет или в противном случае на пьедестал выходили чемпионы 12-13 лет , юниорские игры тому подтверждение.
thank you google translate, I completely agree. the biggest difference for me is the way so many women now weave the choreography into their approach to a jump, aside from the triple axel really. it definitely helps the component score, too.
@@anniegoodridge7941 hey, glad to hear it, I appreciate you took your time and translated my words. I like modern steps choreography in FS, and the top-notch of it is ofc Hanyu the God. It all worth it that now we have such art master on ice!
@@kelsey1406 skaters today actually can jump higher, there was a video showing that but since technique came a long way since then they learned how to spin more effeciently in the air and so needing much less height
I found it interesting as there is a recent debate in the women's sport as the age has shifted from young to even younger and the tendency to retire girls after they hit 20 yrs old some as soon as they turn 18yrs Russia is kinda notorious doing this. In fact the average age now is between 15-17 years old. When men's is about 25=27, 10 years older. But also their weights are extremely low now and kept that way to achieve rotations. When comparing how past athletes tended to look they had more muscularly legs and more power in their jumps. In the past they had these same thing in women's gymnastics going on currently in women's figure skating where the average age was getting younger and younger until they put a higher age restriction on women's sport (there is plenty of minors competitions for girls). Now we are getting gymnast in women's teams who have powerful jumps and athletic prowess that are not being made to retire by the age of 18-20.
Midori was way ahead of her time and IMO, she was robbed of Olympic gold by the ridiculous first round compulsory patterns, which were abolished soon after her competition days, as well as being wrongly marked down on artistic impression. Yet, she remained gracious in the face of prejudice.
Watching Aliona's arm movement means so much to the performance. She may not do quads, but her elegance reminds me of old school skates. Hence why her presentation marks are high.
When comparing the overall look, I think the finished execution has improved. Holding that landing in perfect form can make up for anything in the actual jump that may have been imperfect. It also showcases the jump rather than immediately rushing into performance moves.
All ladies are just incredible!!! Tonya Harding and Midori Ito were the first ones. And why did you forget about Mao Asada? She was also great and she could jump 3A as well ❤❤❤❤ But my heart is with Kamilla Valieva. I saw her performances several times in live. They were outstanding ❤ She's like ballet dancer but on ice, she's amazing. It's like a magic ❤❤❤
Да уж, Камилочка меня поразила, прыгнула и руками замахала, пташечка. Надеюсь, она прилетит с Олимпийским золотом, а лучше с двумя золотыми медалями сразу
Great info! But I think the Russian’s spinning and landing are still the best. It’s so fluid and elegant so it doesn’t interrupt the performance. I feel the difficulty level of the turn very much relate to the equipment and material.
No one will ever take away midori's 3A from her. It was unbelievable...and the power she carried into it was scary AF....LOVE HER..still the best one for me
Compared to 20 yrs ago, some other winter sports improved so much that it doesn’t look like the same sports, but as for figure skate Midori still stands out til this day. Amazing height!
She's already got it back but unfortunately it's not enough to be in Russian team. She made a mistake to change her couch and waisted too much time 😢 Now she's just in reserve 😞 I think she needs to change her sport citizenship we see her in the world competitions
Mostly because they still had to do figures. Makes a lot of difference. The sport is, after all, FIGURE skating and not "jump skating" or "stunt skating."
The long, deep outside edge was held to show it was a proper Lutz, but it did lead to many (even high level) skaters "hammering" the toe down to launch the jump. The way they do it now leads to a lot less hammering, but it's not as easy to tell if they've fudged the edge.
Midori's legs are just tailored for the perfect Lutz. There is nothing to envy. Therefore, at the request of the public, Lutz will be replaced by Flutz.
@@whitecat3923 он действительно недокрученный, но в пределах допуска 10-20 градусов однако у всех остальных спортсменов триксель также выходит не все выезжают, а вот есть фигуристы которые наоборот перекручивают и чемпион по этой статье Даня Самсонов! Знайте, если он упал с хорошего акселя значит перекрутил :))
Midori Ito’s triple axel is the best, no question. Her height and speed are unmatched. Kostornaia and Tuktamysheva are my faves of the current competitors, but they aren’t my faves of all time. The difference overall between the older 6.0 style jumps and how they’re done now is most evident in the axel; many of the top ladies now don’t seem to jump as much from their legs the way top ladies 30 years ago did. Technique today seems more focused on speed of rotation and transitions in and out of the jump.
@@alazjaw.8968 no you cannot. wtf lmao some of you just jump on the prerotation bad bandwagon and forget that even the best axel jumpers of today(Yuzuru Hanyu, Ilia Malinin) have that quater prerotation as is necessary to jump the axel
I remember being an USA teenager focused on the Harding/Kerrigan controversy and then seeing Oksana Baiul. She was unearthly, like a fairy creature on the ice who just flied in and nothing would ever be the same
Какие красивые русские девочки. Само изящество, тоненькие, длиноногие, как тростиночки на ветру, движения все плавные. Диву даешься за счёт чего ей удаётся так высоко прыгнуть и, главное нет, никакого напряжения, лёгкость в каждом движении.
Именно что тростиночки. В отличие от мускулистых крепко сбитых фигуристок прошлого. Жёсткий ежедневный концлагерь с тренировками 8 и более часов + ограничениями в еде. Очень вероятно что и + фарма, тормозящая половое развитие. Ибо высоко прыгать сильно легче при минимальном весе. Кто смог выжить, тот показывает красоту и легкость.
@@likeclocks а еще- они еще недоразвившиеся подростки. В прошлом фигристки до 25 катали, это другая фигура, более приземистый скелет и мощные мышцы. А сейчас после 18 все, отработанное тело, дайте новое.
@@zhannad750 любое высокое мастерство достигается за счёт тяжёлой работы, усилий и постоянного совершенствования. И в любая сфера высокого профессионализма до конца доходят только самые сильные, кто пахал больше всех. Остальные - среднячок.
I have to agree. Seeing Midori in person on the ice was something else. On video her jumps look good. In reality the height she achieved was unmatched. She truly jumped like the guys back then. I think the top ladies skaters from the 80s-90s always rotated well, but never really got real good height. Of the top champions of the era that I actually saw in competition or shows, Midori's jumps were by far the highest and traveled the most distance over the ice. Tonya came in 2nd; Nancy 3rd, followed by Oksana and Kristi. Kristi was the most consistent of the ladies - other than the salchow and loop, she rarely missed or under-rotated. I haven't seen any of the new 2020s ladies champions. But I'm going to guess based on the videos that they are not jumping as high as Midori. Will be interesting to see how much height they get. I didn't think women would be capable to doing quads as they couldn't get enough airtime - meaning height and rotation before running out of time. But since the new champions do quads it will be interesting to see them on the ice.
bananaman, the 3A Midori did at the 1990 world championships in Halifax is unreal. Sports illustrated said it was the best 3A in the competition including the men.
@@darrickchen5427 Tonya\s Loop was huge back then. That just went up! And I wish retrospectives like this would show her SA 91 3A combination from her short. It was a thing of beauty.
Love that you created this. Would have like to see more side by side as it shows the difference in height achieved and the difference in the speed of rotation of the jumps. I was most impressed by the ease with which the jumps seem to be done now, and the speed of the rotation is key to that as well as the height the women achieve. So impressive!! Thank you again for your work on this!!
The ladies of the 90s seem to complete the rotations higher above the ice surface. I was taught that the best jumps are landed with the rotation already checked, the body already in an attractive outflow position, the free leg already behind, and with the landing foot lightly touching down on the ice. A skater should maintain speed more comparable to take-off velocity upon landing. Most recent skaters lose speed on landings and seem to finish their jumps later. They are often still unpacking the free leg after the landing foot has touched the ice, often making the jump look as if it were two-footed. Thus, I find the technique of most current and recent skaters less correct, impressive, and pleasing than what one sees in the examples of skaters from earlier eras.
Give a break.. nobody's 3 Axel compares to Midori Ito's.... Kostornaia's 3 Axel is the best of the modern ladies if she can hit it again. Valieva's is the worst looking Axel take off I have ever seen... I do have to admit that the last part of the video that shows Kostornaia and Ito Axels side by side, although Kostornaia does leave the ice a a couple of frames later, it is surprisingly almost as much air time as Ito. I have sometimes thought that, but never took the time to watch them side by side. I am still sure the one of Kostornaia at the end of this video is one of her higher, better ones and Ito has done much higher ones than the one used for the side by side at the end of this video.
I like the video but it’s sad that it’s not including Mao Asada from Japan and Nagano who also did so many triple axels in the program. Mao Asada is known for the triple axle.
Alena is one of my most fave skaters at the moment. Elegant and very artistic, a feather on ice. I miss Mao though. Her legs are so tight together when she jumps, and her landing is so soft. Nobody skates like her.
одно понял, если 20-30 лет назад выполнение элемента фигуристкой сопровождалось радостью и "горячим кипятком", то сейчас это на столько буднично, что не вызывает у спортсменок никаких эмоций
Абсолютно. Там ещё было -не упал, молодец, вот тебе медальку! Красиво началось с Мао Асада, Кван как то так, до этого это было просто смешно, а как они валились, неваляшки с большими толстыми жопками и на это было больно и неловко смотреть. Ой не, сейчас с тем это просто ад и рай какая разница во всем
@@nataliaborisova9198 ну тогда хоть медали давали за чистые прыжки, а сейчас два раза упала держи медальку. Если бы судейство было как раньше, то прыжков в программах нестабильных Трусовой или Валиевой было бы в разы меньше, да и медалей бы им не видать было.
I absolutely LOVE the height on Midori's 3A! It's amazing! 😍😍😍 Rika and Elizaveta have great 3As as well as 3Lzs!! 😊🇯🇵⛸🇷🇺⛸👑 Also, Kaori's 3Lo is just gorgeous!! 😊💖🇯🇵⛸
No woman (or even most men) has had the explosive power and height of Midori Ito. Seeing her in person, you could truly appreciate how high she jumped. It looked like she was jumping higher than the boards. Truly amazing. It took your breath away. The women doing these jumps today are wonderful, don't get me wrong, but they really can't touch the spring and power of Midori. Maybe someday a skater will come along who can, but not yet!
Разница конечно есть. К примеру Трусова - 5 четверных прыжков в произвольной программе 2022г. А в 90-е заметьте как радовались фигуристки чисто выполненному 3-му прыжку, а сейчас прыгают 3-е так как будто это не стоит никакого труда, тройные прыжки стали стандартными элементами. Вот и вся разница...
The first time I saw Kamila do a 3A I literally gasped out loud. The height, speed, distance; her landing with the beautiful high leg extension; her arms up over her head; all while making it look GRACEFUL. She blows them all away.
Ehhh. (This is def j my opinion, but) the clunky transitions in & out of her jumps ruin it for me :( I wish I could look past some of that rushed choreo they're given, but it makes it hard for me to appreciate the technical prowess. I'm realllyyy trying tho lol I'd like to enjoy this olympics
@@Tika927 что-то "неуклюжие переходы"? "Посмотрел бы я на хореографию"? Окей, я бы посмотрела на тебя на льду, что ж ты, критик диванный, сам-то не покажешь высшее мастерство?
@@matiss2037 окей, только вот это не уже не субъективное мнение. Абсолютно все движения Камилы - результат долгих и упорных тренировок. Во время прокатов она не забывает ни о технической составляющей, ни о хореографии, даже о положении рук помнит. И это не я придумала, это комментарии экспертов, опытных спортсменов фигурного катания, а не мнение людей, просто оценивающие выступление с диванного ракурса.
@@mareotida ну и что? Я люблю Камилу и знаю, что это результат долгих тренировок, однако это не запрещает никому высказать свое личное мнение о программе фигуриста.
@@ShmooieLowenstein That is what I love about Ito's. She had the power, height, and clear rotation. Hers was a truly special event. While admire what the current ladies are doing, I'm always questioning their rotation and they don't make the jump seem special (the IJS contributes to this for sure).
Lutz edges aren’t as deep as they used to be 😭 but goodness it’s interesting seeing such huge differences. I’m thinking Harding was such a POWERFUL skater and it showed (honestly she looks like she could’ve attempted quads) but lately it’s a lot more of the elegance (like Kostornaia) or fluidity (Valieva) of the jumps. Can I just say Ito’s lutz was absolutely massive
It's good that people are starting to fix the lutz edges now, especially the Russian women since there often critized for them. I've noticed now that Alena, Elizaveta, and Alexandra are working on it. Good for them!
I don't know how I've found my way into figure skating youtube, but as someone who knows approximately nothing about figure skating, I couldn't really tell a difference but it's super cool regardless.
It's because the uploader wanted to be like "1990s figure skating is cumbersome and awkward because of Tanya and Midori, but 2020s skating is beautiful!!!11" It's like 30 years of evolution (plus a huge judging change) shouldn't make a difference. Mao gets in the way of their 1991-vs-2020 argument.
I think it’s because when she takes off her arms are bent and in front of her unlike other skates where there arms are back and extended. Oh yeah and because her landing is so relaxed 🤩
Ito and Harding's jumps were higher and more powerful than the girls in our days. It's so evident on the last parallel jumps of Midori and Kostornaia: Ito made all rotation while Alyona under rotated on a quater. Also Ito was a really adult skater when she did her 3A - 19-23 y.o. while Kostornaia jumped it the last time still at the age of 16. Valieva should not be here because she is still a junior. We all know what happens to Eteri's girls after she finish the school - like Cinderella after a midnight, they lose all their special attributes starting the jumps. ) My conclusion: 20 year ago the jumps were higher, better, cleaner. Now there is the only exception - Lisa Tuk. with her old school 3A and lutz. But they are not so high and energetic like of Ito's and Harding's
yes i just love the way the jumps looked back 20-30 years ago! they were much more powerful and i feel like nowadays they are smaller and use more prerotation! they are all amazing though
Midori's absolute confidence in the jumps are what make it so beautiful. And the landings is always perfect, no stumbles, no wobbles. Can't say the same for anyone else I've seen, and definitely not as consistently
Раньше градации возраста были другие. Это сейчас выпускают на Олимпиаду 15леток.. А раньше минимум совершеннолетних. Подростки и легче и равновесие другое....
Tuktamysheva is master of the best ever technique. Kostornya - elegant and athletic, Kihira is ok, Valieva has her own style. these 4 girls top the list :))
Why there aren't any salchovs and flips, I wonder? А что касается сравнения прыжков - старые делались именно как отдельные спортивные элементы - мимо музыки и программы. Новые - как элементы программы. Поэтому их сравнивать не совсем корректно, так как они не в равных условиях. В старое время на подготовку к прыжку давалось больше времени - а сейчас за это будут снимать компоненты и ГОЕ. Поэтому у старых более книжная техника, а новые более заточены на лёгкость и непрерывность исполнения с другими связками - что возможно только с оптимизированной техникой. Старые фигуристки просто не смогли бы современную хореографию откатать - она была бы слишком интенсивная для них, не было бы времени на подготовку к прыжкам. И тут уже кому что важнее - отдельные прыжки или цельность восприятия всей программы.
Фигурное катание - не лёгкая атлетика. Здесь прыгают не в высоту и не в длину, здесь предмет соревнования - сама техника прыжка, чистота и правильность её исполнения. Здесь нельзя придумать свой фосбери-флоп, а попытки сделать это называются "читерство".
@@ГалинаПугачёва-ф1и прежде чем решать за судей что и как они должны или не должны оценивать - я бы посоветовал для начала ознакомиться с правилами. В частности, в критериях ГОЕ при оценке прыжка нет ни одного пункта, который можно было бы отнести к технике. Более того, в правилах даже определений типов прыжков нет. Сюрприз, правда? Поэтому ваши представления о том как должно быть правильно вы конечно имеете полное право рассказывать - вот только к реальности они не имеют никакого отношения.
@@ГалинаПугачёва-ф1и человек, похоже, топит за флуцбергеры, ничего не жмёт. Хотя с той же скоростью и точностью, и даже более сложными заходами/выходами тот же Юзуру Ханю катает книжную старую технику. Минимальная преротация, глубокое ребро - вот это всё. Ни тычковых ног-молотков, ни сильной преротации. Что до определения прыжков… за правила не скажу, но у ISU точно есть компьютерные модели, изображающие чистое, правильное выполнение прыжков. Значит, где-то таки должен быть регламент. И при начислении ГОЕ как минимум учитываются (через раз) рёбра прыжков. Как и запрещён очевидный без замедленной съёмки съём лицом во что-либо, кроме Акселя. Так что я даже не знаю о чём товарищ Кролик говорит.
Мне тоже понравились прыжки Алены, какие- то легкие, завершенные и как кто - то написал высокие.Валиева тоже отлично прыгает.Лиза тяжеловата.Правда я не специалист, пусть они оценивают.Люблю фигурное катание с детства,сидели возле черно- белого телевизора и были рады.
Раньше фигурное катание было каким-то тяжелым, прям видно как прыжки даются тяжело (катались тогда намного старше, чем сейчас) и сколько радости они испытывают когда прыжок получился. Сейчас катают 15-17летние, техника четкая, прыжки отработанные, сил много что бы делать сложные элементы, эмоции не проявляются совсем. Раньше больше катали, теперь больше прыгают.
Сделают на взрослые соревнования допуск с 16, а то и 18 лет, и "тяжесть" прыжков вернется. Сегодня фигуристки готовятся на один олимпийский сезон. Дальше девочка взврослеет - приходят следующие. Я их фамилии запоминать даже не успеваю.
@@leahvictoria2821 No one can compete Midori's 3A. The height of Midori 3A is about 71cm with heavier shoes by more than 1kg compared with now. Aliona has certainly 3A, however, the height of her 3A is 57cm with light shoes. That's it.
@@JJ-yh7su midori's height is just insane, no doubts, but I think that dude meant the landing. modern skaters just look smoother and more effortless, mb that's cos of lighter shoes, but still :0
I agree that the sheer joy on the faces of those who first 'landed' the jumps almost outweighs how polished they've become. In the day, it was a THING! The announcers made a point to indicate where a Triple anything would be attempted. The later performances, it was just part of the show. The magic isn't gone, we've just learned how to build on what was there.
The jumps themselves look the same. It just appears that the ones in 1990s took more preparation and initial effort, and the landing were more brusque. The 2020 jumps were made with an air of, “Eh, no biggie. Been doing this since I was 5.” And the landing and transition to subsequent actions were smooth and graceful.
@@kelsey1406 They say her skating is a bit more different than others because she first started out on rolling skates, which aren't as light and fast as ice skating.
Kostornaia's technique looks really old school when you run them all side by side like this! "Bigger is better" vs "faster is better." I have more faith in bigger jumps but there's something to be said for the flow in the fast ones .
Kostornaia has the height and power in her jumps which make them look super effortless. She also has a very controlled leg wrap similar to Mitori Ito’s but it’s more controlled. She uses her legs and relies on the height and speed going into the jump rather than snap, upper body and speed of rotation. Her jumps end up looking far more smoother and effortless compared to others. And with the skaters who rotate fast, they have a long set-up in preparation for the amount of power they’ll need to rotate fast. But, old school technique was able to get the height and massive power in the jumps was that they had really long transitions and the transitions and steps going in and out of the jumps now a days means smaller and faster jumps. But Kostornaia keeps the massive height. She’s training a quad toe, but honestly, she would have a better chance going for a quad flip considering her leg wrap on the flip means if she tightens more, she could get a quad flip.
I think that the bigger and faster jumps shouldn’t be “old school,” cuz as we have seen many times. People with small but fast jumps tend to only last a year or two competitively, and the thing with “old school” is that they lasted for years, and would be in the game for a while. Compared to now it’s super short. That’s why yes Kostornia has pretty technique, but good technique is able to withstand puberty as well, and we have seen many many examples of that, like Mao Asada, didn’t see her stop doing the triple axel for a year. So Kostornia had a solid jump, wouldn’t necessarily call it beautiful, cuz something about those landings don’t give me a sense of ease.
@@sebastianenjcb193 I can see what you're saying but I don't know that I would put Mao Asada in the "old school" category. She had a slight, fast rotating technique that seems to have been the basis for the modern technique, especially as far as the 3A is concerned. Her 3A has more in common with Valieva than Ito.
On the side by side it's so evident that she under rotates her 3A. In her 16. While Ito made it full in her adult's age. Now Alyona can't make 3A at all. One season jumper? )) Eteri's product..
@@sebastianenjcb193 I agree. I think by old school it means just that it doesn’t require fast rotation and the position of the legs isn’t as tight. Whereas, newer technique does rely on that speed of rotation and tightness in air
When Tanya and Midori did their 3A, it was still new to women's skating. I love the total joy on their faces when they completed theirs.
It was new to women's skating when Midori did it. It was not new when Tonya did it because Midori had not ceased to exist.
@@user-gf3wn1ne9n Tonya was the first American woman to land it, so it was still pretty new to the Americans
@@user-gf3wn1ne9n at the time, it was new to women's skating. Midori and Tanya were the only two ladies who did the 3A in competition for a long time.
@@auroraborealis6009 Midori was the trailblazer here, and her achievements are constantly downplayed to big up Tonya.
@@user-gf3wn1ne9n I don't see your point. They were the first 2 women to do the 3A in competition. The jump was new to women's skating at the time.
Midori is/was truly a naturally gifted athlete. The shear height of her jumps is unreal. Proper technique allowed her to do whatever she wanted with her jumps. Never ever had any issues with under rotation. Absolutely believe Midori Ito's programs could still win titles today 20, 30 years later. Surya Bonaly also pushed bar with jumping.
Ito is without peer. Her use of momentum for air time has never been matched by any other woman or man for that matter.
Totally agree about Midori Ito! Imagine how she’d jump with much lighter shoes now.
What? Her jumps look low and stumpy compared to others
@@beniceovna8762 I’ll encourage you to go back and pause when she’s in the air. It’s huge: she is way above the ice.
Also, first woman to land a 3A and the only thing you can say is it’s “low and stumpy?” For shame.
@@NiceDrivewayy I just comment on what I see. Maybe her jumps look that way because she is not as tall and her legs aren't as thin as other girl's
When you put Kostornaia and Midori Ito's axel side by side in the end was just amazing. The height and elegance they both got. I hope Kostornaia has her axel back, because even with a rippon, her triple axel still has the best entry and height.
Kostornaia's 3A was easily the most gorgeous and effortless 3A in the sport - men included. I'm so gutted that RusFed is basically done with her and she will never have her big moment.
@@ShmooieLowenstein Yeah, RusFed is stupid for hating on Kostornaia on the most trivial things like change of coaches, hair color, etc. But the good thing is the International audience and judges love Kostornaia. You can see the difference on the International judging vs Russian Nationals.
@@ShmooieLowenstein Midori ito classic triple axel.
I loved the exuberance in Midori 's skating. She had a smile that lit up the arena and when she landed that first 3A, her joy was incredible
ito 3A much bigger than Kostornaia
Kostornaia's jumps are so air and light.. an it is a real classic.. Masterpiece in my opinion
Aliona‘s 3A is just out of this World. The height + this elegance = 👑
and under rotation too. )))
Absolutely agree!!
@@maxnaturamour7200..but very beautiful!!)))
No, she's not.
@@justtennischannel ？？？if that is not elegance then you tell me what is elegance
Midori is still the 3A queen when it comes to height...it's ridiculously high.. Alena's 3A has good height and is more elegant. The skaters of the 90s have way better 3Lutz techniques than the current skaters. Overall, figure skating has improved beautifully.
God nothing like the good old 3A's by Harding and Ito... titanic height
@@ivanlavouras yes totally! And they are different because Ito is more wide with hers and Harding is higher!
I 100% agree on the 3Lutz! the earlier skaters had deeper/clearer edges!
Harding was always a big, powerful jumper. Ito was unreal. The height she got on her jumps was astonishing. I always wished I could jump like her.
@@Luubelaar true! But if you compare Harding is higher and itos is wider!
Transitions, that's the difference between past and current jump. Even 3A can be made more difficult like Alena did in 2019-2020 season. Other 3 jumps like 3Lo by Kaori is another example where jump is perfectly blended into the program via transitions.
I’d say the difference is pre-rotations and improper technique. Skaters like Harding and Ito did not have transitions going into or out of their jumps (skaters like Yamaguchi did though), but their technique is better.
30 years later and Ito still has the best 3A.
That's only a small sample but I believe severe prerotation issue has existed since ever. But I agree that currently many skaters that have improper technique enjoy success and receive high GOE than skaters with good technique.
@@fong03 Years ago there were no transitions as there are now. These days I think skating is a lot harder. I'm old school and it is so different to my old days. But I encourage the new development of our sport 😉
Kostornaya's triple axle is absolutely mesmerizing. Even the entrance in which she exhibits when executing her triple axle is phenomenal.
The thing about Tonya and Midori's jumps is that they got so much height that there was just a ton of time when they completed rotation before hitting the ice. It was just really beautiful and powerful. A lot of the ones we see now are lower and the skier spins really fast, but it completes just as they hit the ice, or even after. It just isn't as thrilling to me.
Agree about the thrill of the old school axels.
Aliona had the best combination of both worlds imo.
I 100% agree
Plus you can literally see the prerotation with a lot of the new Russian skaters! Even if not technically flawless I consider Tonya and Midori's jumps more "clean" as they don't cut corners
It looks far more elegant and aesthetically pleasing though. And figureskating is both a sport and an art.
Мидори и Хардинг никакой эстетики они просто бегали по кругу ничего не делая,у Косторной и Валиевой это шедевры!
Can't thank you enough for this vid! I was always a 90s skating fan, seeing the difference with today is exciting. What I see today is that jumps don't tend to be that high, is more about rotation and quads. Midori is amazing, unmatched even to today's standard, the height and power she had is unreal.
Я просто любитель фигурного катания, это красиво и захватывающе. На мой взгляд, сильно изменились сопутствующие элементы. Заход перед прыжком и выход из него - это теперь сложнейшая система, и с точки зрения хореографии как это всё вплетено в программу! Прыжки в прошлом выглядят как отдельно стоящий подвиг, а сегодня как элемент хореографической программы. Видимо, сильно изменился тренерский подход, появились новые методы и инструменты, помогающие фигуристам добиться нужной легкости в исполнении. Прогресс не стоит на месте, многие девчонки уже четверные прыгают вовсю!!
Ага , а разница в кондициях спортсменок вас не смущает ? ) Нужной лёгкости исполнения ))) Далее ,возраст когда катается подросток 15-17 лет или зрелая девушка 22-25 лет это на минуточку мягко говоря немного разное фигурное катание по исполнению и смотрится это разительно по другому. Возрастной ценз не зря ввели с 15 лет или в противном случае на пьедестал выходили чемпионы 12-13 лет , юниорские игры тому подтверждение.
Сам ФК не смотрю, но посмотрев это видео, мысли сложились как у Вас. :)
@@ВикторБашмаков-ю5ъ , ну, да, Туктамышева - прям самая юная фигуристка
thank you google translate, I completely agree. the biggest difference for me is the way so many women now weave the choreography into their approach to a jump, aside from the triple axel really. it definitely helps the component score, too.
@@anniegoodridge7941 hey, glad to hear it, I appreciate you took your time and translated my words. I like modern steps choreography in FS, and the top-notch of it is ofc Hanyu the God. It all worth it that now we have such art master on ice!
I generally prefer the old jumps as they’re actually performed correct, but favor the smoother landings of modern skaters.
Back in the day there were still compulsory figures. Now it seems like lead ins to crotch flashes. 😁
And such low height too. Back in the 90s the women used to jump super high. Now I’m shocked that more of them don’t two foot their landings.
@@kelsey1406 skaters today actually can jump higher, there was a video showing that but since technique came a long way since then they learned how to spin more effeciently in the air and so needing much less height
I found it interesting as there is a recent debate in the women's sport as the age has shifted from young to even younger and the tendency to retire girls after they hit 20 yrs old some as soon as they turn 18yrs Russia is kinda notorious doing this. In fact the average age now is between 15-17 years old. When men's is about 25=27, 10 years older. But also their weights are extremely low now and kept that way to achieve rotations. When comparing how past athletes tended to look they had more muscularly legs and more power in their jumps. In the past they had these same thing in women's gymnastics going on currently in women's figure skating where the average age was getting younger and younger until they put a higher age restriction on women's sport (there is plenty of minors competitions for girls). Now we are getting gymnast in women's teams who have powerful jumps and athletic prowess that are not being made to retire by the age of 18-20.
Midori was way ahead of her time and IMO, she was robbed of Olympic gold by the ridiculous first round compulsory patterns, which were abolished soon after her competition days, as well as being wrongly marked down on artistic impression. Yet, she remained gracious in the face of prejudice.
Watching Aliona's arm movement means so much to the performance. She may not do quads, but her elegance reminds me of old school skates. Hence why her presentation marks are high.
I miss Aliona. She had some of that old school quality but also the benefits of modern level skating as well.
4:08 wow that transition into the jump is so impressive!
When comparing the overall look, I think the finished execution has improved. Holding that landing in perfect form can make up for anything in the actual jump that may have been imperfect. It also showcases the jump rather than immediately rushing into performance moves.
All ladies are just incredible!!! Tonya Harding and Midori Ito were the first ones. And why did you forget about Mao Asada? She was also great and she could jump 3A as well ❤❤❤❤ But my heart is with Kamilla Valieva. I saw her performances several times in live. They were outstanding ❤ She's like ballet dancer but on ice, she's amazing. It's like a magic ❤❤❤
Да уж, Камилочка меня поразила, прыгнула и руками замахала, пташечка. Надеюсь, она прилетит с Олимпийским золотом, а лучше с двумя золотыми медалями сразу
I agree but I like Aliona’s axels even more than Kamila’s.
Aleona Kostornaia has a heavenly loop and axel😊
all her jumps are fantastic
That russian lady Alena's jump caught my heart. She utilises her whole body effectively to my eyes.
Great info! But I think the Russian’s spinning and landing are still the best. It’s so fluid and elegant so it doesn’t interrupt the performance. I feel the difficulty level of the turn very much relate to the equipment and material.
No one will ever take away midori's 3A from her. It was unbelievable...and the power she carried into it was scary AF....LOVE HER..still the best one for me
Compared to 20 yrs ago, some other winter sports improved so much that it doesn’t look like the same sports, but as for figure skate Midori still stands out til this day. Amazing height!
I want Alena to get back her elegant beautiful smooth 3A 💚
My personal faves for 3A are Midori and Alena.
She's already got it back but unfortunately it's not enough to be in Russian team. She made a mistake to change her couch and waisted too much time 😢 Now she's just in reserve 😞
I think she needs to change her sport citizenship we see her in the world competitions
My favorite 3A would be Kortornaia no doubt. 3Lz is Rika's but not this program. 3Lo must be Kaori's. It is really beautiful.
I think the triple lutz in the 90s were better, Especially Tonya and Midori's have very deep outside edge.
Yes! Both Ito and Harding’s Lutz’s were textbook perfect.
Mostly because they still had to do figures. Makes a lot of difference. The sport is, after all, FIGURE skating and not "jump skating" or "stunt skating."
The long, deep outside edge was held to show it was a proper Lutz, but it did lead to many (even high level) skaters "hammering" the toe down to launch the jump.
The way they do it now leads to a lot less hammering, but it's not as easy to tell if they've fudged the edge.
Midori's legs are just tailored for the perfect Lutz. There is nothing to envy. Therefore, at the request of the public, Lutz will be replaced by Flutz.
@@Luubelaar Oh yes! My toe once hit all the way down to the concrete (on a 2Lz) and I broke my toes. 😱 Those old lutzes look beautiful though 😍
Самый красивый заход на аксель у Косторной, и сам прыжок легкий, высокий.
..хотя и чуть-чуть недокрученный...
@@whitecat3923 это где это?! 👀
@@whitecat3923 он действительно недокрученный, но в пределах допуска 10-20 градусов однако у всех остальных спортсменов триксель также выходит не все выезжают, а вот есть фигуристы которые наоборот перекручивают и чемпион по этой статье Даня Самсонов! Знайте, если он упал с хорошего акселя значит перекрутил :))
Он еще и самый сложный в истории прыжка. Крюк-выкрюк-перетяжка.
по моему прыжок Камилы тоже очень воздушный и не выглядит для нее каким - то сложным
4:05 皆さん飛ぶぞーって感じで飛ぶなか、坂本花織さんは流れるように飛ぶのを見て
惚れた
Midori Ito’s triple axel is the best, no question. Her height and speed are unmatched. Kostornaia and Tuktamysheva are my faves of the current competitors, but they aren’t my faves of all time. The difference overall between the older 6.0 style jumps and how they’re done now is most evident in the axel; many of the top ladies now don’t seem to jump as much from their legs the way top ladies 30 years ago did. Technique today seems more focused on speed of rotation and transitions in and out of the jump.
Midori did a proper triple axel. A lot of the newer skaters rely on preroation and you can tell!
@@sophienewton8348 bro what is you taking about? You can’t jump an axel without pr, only toe puck jumps-Lutz Flip and Toe Loop
@@makaelaischillin yes you can.
@@alazjaw.8968 no you cannot. wtf lmao some of you just jump on the prerotation bad bandwagon and forget that even the best axel jumpers of today(Yuzuru Hanyu, Ilia Malinin) have that quater prerotation as is necessary to jump the axel
@@makaelaischillin no it isn’t.
I remember being an USA teenager focused on the Harding/Kerrigan controversy and then seeing Oksana Baiul. She was unearthly, like a fairy creature on the ice who just flied in and nothing would ever be the same
Agree. Oksana was mesmerizing.
It was like Nancy ..who?
Tonya just was her own worst enemy, certainly a sad chapter in 'missed opportunities'.
かおちゃんの流れるようなくるくるループが本当に綺麗
Какие красивые русские девочки. Само изящество, тоненькие, длиноногие, как тростиночки на ветру, движения все плавные. Диву даешься за счёт чего ей удаётся так высоко прыгнуть и, главное нет, никакого напряжения, лёгкость в каждом движении.
За счет тяжелой, убийственной работы, давления окружения, режима тренировок, калечащих большинство, но оставляющих пару-тройку особо выносливых...
Именно что тростиночки. В отличие от мускулистых крепко сбитых фигуристок прошлого. Жёсткий ежедневный концлагерь с тренировками 8 и более часов + ограничениями в еде. Очень вероятно что и + фарма, тормозящая половое развитие. Ибо высоко прыгать сильно легче при минимальном весе. Кто смог выжить, тот показывает красоту и легкость.
@@likeclocks а еще- они еще недоразвившиеся подростки. В прошлом фигристки до 25 катали, это другая фигура, более приземистый скелет и мощные мышцы. А сейчас после 18 все, отработанное тело, дайте новое.
@@zhannad750 любое высокое мастерство достигается за счёт тяжёлой работы, усилий и постоянного совершенствования. И в любая сфера высокого профессионализма до конца доходят только самые сильные, кто пахал больше всех. Остальные - среднячок.
@@zhannad750 они выбирают сейчас для фигурного катания такие же типы телосложения, как выбирают для большого балета. В этом ничего удивительного нет.
32 years ago, 1989 world championship Competition. Midori jumps the highest. Wonderful 3A! She is a legend!
I have to agree. Seeing Midori in person on the ice was something else. On video her jumps look good. In reality the height she achieved was unmatched. She truly jumped like the guys back then.
I think the top ladies skaters from the 80s-90s always rotated well, but never really got real good height. Of the top champions of the era that I actually saw in competition or shows, Midori's jumps were by far the highest and traveled the most distance over the ice. Tonya came in 2nd; Nancy 3rd, followed by Oksana and Kristi. Kristi was the most consistent of the ladies - other than the salchow and loop, she rarely missed or under-rotated.
I haven't seen any of the new 2020s ladies champions. But I'm going to guess based on the videos that they are not jumping as high as Midori. Will be interesting to see how much height they get. I didn't think women would be capable to doing quads as they couldn't get enough airtime - meaning height and rotation before running out of time. But since the new champions do quads it will be interesting to see them on the ice.
bananaman, the 3A Midori did at the 1990 world championships in Halifax is unreal. Sports illustrated said it was the best 3A in the competition including the men.
@@darrickchen5427 Tonya\s Loop was huge back then. That just went up! And I wish retrospectives like this would show her SA 91 3A combination from her short. It was a thing of beauty.
her were not the highest....it seems so because she was only 145 centimeters tall
Her triple axel at the 1990 World championship is the single best triple axel that has ever been done men or women
Алёна на льду волшебна. Глаз не оторвать!❤
Только вот вернётся ли она в ряды ледовых борцов?..
@@whitecat3923 уже вернуласт
..не, ну наши лучшие, что там говорить... они это делают красиво и легко, как дышат
I came here from a gymnastics "then and now" video, and honestly the expressions when they are happy to land the jumps made me so emotional
高さはダントツ、みどりちゃん‼️
伊藤みどりのときとはスケート靴がとても軽くなってるらしく、当時今のスケート靴みどりさんが履いていたら5回転回ってたんじゃないかと思うって村主さんが言ってました。ほんとあの高さはすばらしいよ。
Love that you created this. Would have like to see more side by side as it shows the difference in height achieved and the difference in the speed of rotation of the jumps.
I was most impressed by the ease with which the jumps seem to be done now, and the speed of the rotation is key to that as well as the height the women achieve. So impressive!! Thank you again for your work on this!!
Elizaveta's 3A is the most aesthetically pleasing to me. It's so polished, and the flow exiting it is just so sublime.
Kaori's 3Lo is incredibly gorgeous, it's seamless in the choreography, brings a tear to my eye
The ladies of the 90s seem to complete the rotations higher above the ice surface. I was taught that the best jumps are landed with the rotation already checked, the body already in an attractive outflow position, the free leg already behind, and with the landing foot lightly touching down on the ice. A skater should maintain speed more comparable to take-off velocity upon landing. Most recent skaters lose speed on landings and seem to finish their jumps later. They are often still unpacking the free leg after the landing foot has touched the ice, often making the jump look as if it were two-footed. Thus, I find the technique of most current and recent skaters less correct, impressive, and pleasing than what one sees in the examples of skaters from earlier eras.
🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻💯💯💯 I completely agree
Раньше публика неистовствовала от каждого удачного прыжка,ликовала,а в наше время спокойно смотрят на чудеса четверных прыжков.Привыкли!
Ещё и желают чтобы упали...
Кажется сейчас девчонки легче и выполняют прыжки как бабочки... Легко взлетая
@@ОксанаПанкова-к4р мне кажется раньше фигуристка были старше и крупнее..
@@4elovechishe Прыжки сейчас кажутся легче. Это правда.
@@ОксанаПанкова-к4р много запрещённых элементов стало. Сколько было травм на льду раньше...я думаю правильно
3Aばかり注目されがちだけど、みどりさんの3ルッツ、凄い浮遊感と飛距離！
コストルナヤだけフラットやわー伊藤さんのアクセル高すぎて誰が見てもトリプルってわかる。
Русские девушки, как бабочки, порхают во время исполнения прыжков. Труженницы!
Elizaveta and Alena and Kamila - the best triple axel! Liza - textbook Lutz!
Ofc you are Russian. #figurka :D Rika has better 3A.
idk if Kamila is bc she has to rely on her Rippon to stabilize her axis
Kamila also usually lands on an inside edge which is very bad for her ankles
Give a break.. nobody's 3 Axel compares to Midori Ito's.... Kostornaia's 3 Axel is the best of the modern ladies if she can hit it again. Valieva's is the worst looking Axel take off I have ever seen... I do have to admit that the last part of the video that shows Kostornaia and Ito Axels side by side, although Kostornaia does leave the ice a a couple of frames later, it is surprisingly almost as much air time as Ito. I have sometimes thought that, but never took the time to watch them side by side. I am still sure the one of Kostornaia at the end of this video is one of her higher, better ones and Ito has done much higher ones than the one used for the side by side at the end of this video.
@@iosebdzamukashvili5360 are u sure? ruclips.net/video/ZPE_wvhk2xM/видео.html
伊藤みどりさんは今も色褪せない。あと、なぜ浅田真央さんがいないの？
回転不足でまともに飛べてるアクセルジャンプが少ないからだと思う。スローで見ても回りきれてないのが大半。
less than 50 percent of succeess rate.
20年飛んでるからじゃね？
I like the video but it’s sad that it’s not including Mao Asada from Japan and Nagano who also did so many triple axels in the program. Mao Asada is known for the triple axle.
Great point, Tam. Mao's was one of my favorite 3As. She made it look effortless at times.
伊藤みどりさんの何がすごいって、今50歳過ぎてるのに2Aめちゃくちゃ高く飛んでるんだよな笑 マジですごいと思う。
it's mind blowing to see such a difficult feat being accomplished with transitions now
Irina Slutskaya had an awesome loop jump when she was on her game. The running 3 turns into it was amazing.
The height on Midori Ito's 3A was terrific like I'm sure she could have landed beautiful quads easily.
У Косторной ноги длиннее ,из-за этого прыжки кажутся низкими.
Ito had amazing height! I simply love Kamila’s hands overhead and the speed is exquisite! Michelle Kwan, so elegant 💕 All beautiful skaters!
Alena is one of my most fave skaters at the moment. Elegant and very artistic, a feather on ice. I miss Mao though. Her legs are so tight together when she jumps, and her landing is so soft. Nobody skates like her.
It's a pity you didn't choose Alena's 3A in R national. That was really amazing!!
одно понял, если 20-30 лет назад выполнение элемента фигуристкой сопровождалось радостью и "горячим кипятком", то сейчас это на столько буднично, что не вызывает у спортсменок никаких эмоций
Абсолютно. Там ещё было -не упал, молодец, вот тебе медальку! Красиво началось с Мао Асада, Кван как то так, до этого это было просто смешно, а как они валились, неваляшки с большими толстыми жопками и на это было больно и неловко смотреть. Ой не, сейчас с тем это просто ад и рай какая разница во всем
@@nataliaborisova9198 ну тогда хоть медали давали за чистые прыжки, а сейчас два раза упала держи медальку. Если бы судейство было как раньше, то прыжков в программах нестабильных Трусовой или Валиевой было бы в разы меньше, да и медалей бы им не видать было.
kostornaia makes the 3a look so easy it's ridiculous. but midori ito's height is unmatched by everyone even to this day, for all her jumps
Косторная такая лёгкая, как пёрышко
Была
@@a.susorov очки протри
@@a.susorov это ты " был"
@@Ведовитаяягода что не так в его комменте? Если написал по факту
Просто наши, все дистрофики от того, и легко взлетают.
伊藤みどりさんの飛距離と高さは本当に凄い。
滞空時間が長い！
Alyona Kostornaya is light as a feather. She has the best jumps 👍👍👍
I still think Tanya and Midori had the best height and power behind their jumps, especially the triple axle, even compared to skaters today.
imo it's because they didn't rely on being underweight teenagers to perform their jumps, they have an adult's muscular body and training and it shows
У Камилы техника прыжков отличается. Камила когда прыгает она буквально пролетает и парит несколько метров. Просто класс.💓🙏🇷🇺
Breathtaking ice skating! Those jumps of nowdays are impressive...
Самый красивый 3А у Алёнки Косторной. Просто фея льда!
Не восстановила Алена тройной Аксель к сожалению
@@ОльгаОлч к ОИ восстановит
@@iris5375 это может уже не иметь значения. Давайте вспомним эпизод с сестрами Авериными на летней олимпиаде.
Beautiful. As others implied, the first 2 have an added magic...You feel it in your bossom.
I absolutely LOVE the height on Midori's 3A! It's amazing! 😍😍😍 Rika and Elizaveta have great 3As as well as 3Lzs!! 😊🇯🇵⛸🇷🇺⛸👑 Also, Kaori's 3Lo is just gorgeous!! 😊💖🇯🇵⛸
No woman (or even most men) has had the explosive power and height of Midori Ito. Seeing her in person, you could truly appreciate how high she jumped. It looked like she was jumping higher than the boards. Truly amazing. It took your breath away. The women doing these jumps today are wonderful, don't get me wrong, but they really can't touch the spring and power of Midori. Maybe someday a skater will come along who can, but not yet!
I watched Kami’s programs a dozen of times but still gasp each time she raises her leg. It’s weightless
Разница конечно есть. К примеру Трусова - 5 четверных прыжков в произвольной программе 2022г.
А в 90-е заметьте как радовались фигуристки чисто выполненному 3-му прыжку, а сейчас прыгают 3-е так как будто это не стоит никакого труда, тройные прыжки стали стандартными элементами. Вот и вся разница...
Женское фигурное катание стало подростковым, вот и весь секрет. У Валеевой рост 150 см как у моей 10ти летней дочери.
@@Zubr789 , ее рост уж точно никак не связан с возрастом))
@@Zubr789 160 см у нее рост! Просто на фоне крупных теток фигуристки выглядат малышками.
The first time I saw Kamila do a 3A I literally gasped out loud. The height, speed, distance; her landing with the beautiful high leg extension; her arms up over her head; all while making it look GRACEFUL. She blows them all away.
Ehhh. (This is def j my opinion, but) the clunky transitions in & out of her jumps ruin it for me :( I wish I could look past some of that rushed choreo they're given, but it makes it hard for me to appreciate the technical prowess. I'm realllyyy trying tho lol I'd like to enjoy this olympics
@@Tika927 что-то "неуклюжие переходы"? "Посмотрел бы я на хореографию"? Окей, я бы посмотрела на тебя на льду, что ж ты, критик диванный, сам-то не покажешь высшее мастерство?
@@mareotida а человек не имеет права на собственное мнение, что ли?
@@matiss2037 окей, только вот это не уже не субъективное мнение. Абсолютно все движения Камилы - результат долгих и упорных тренировок. Во время прокатов она не забывает ни о технической составляющей, ни о хореографии, даже о положении рук помнит. И это не я придумала, это комментарии экспертов, опытных спортсменов фигурного катания, а не мнение людей, просто оценивающие выступление с диванного ракурса.
@@mareotida ну и что? Я люблю Камилу и знаю, что это результат долгих тренировок, однако это не запрещает никому высказать свое личное мнение о программе фигуриста.
I still stand by Ito having the best 3 Axel.
It was powerful and she's the OG, but Kostornaia's is absolutely effortless when she's on. It's almost like looking at a double.
@@ShmooieLowenstein That is what I love about Ito's. She had the power, height, and clear rotation. Hers was a truly special event. While admire what the current ladies are doing, I'm always questioning their rotation and they don't make the jump seem special (the IJS contributes to this for sure).
Lutz edges aren’t as deep as they used to be 😭 but goodness it’s interesting seeing such huge differences. I’m thinking Harding was such a POWERFUL skater and it showed (honestly she looks like she could’ve attempted quads) but lately it’s a lot more of the elegance (like Kostornaia) or fluidity (Valieva) of the jumps. Can I just say Ito’s lutz was absolutely massive
It's good that people are starting to fix the lutz edges now, especially the Russian women since there often critized for them. I've noticed now that Alena, Elizaveta, and Alexandra are working on it. Good for them!
Midori and Alena 👏👏👏
Наши принцессы самые грациозные 🙂 у Косторной скольжение и лёгкость прыжков на высоте 👍
Твою костор. Даже не взяли на олимп.
@@beshenniykot9118 тем не менее, они все наши, русские.
Тоже сравнила: наши девушки очень красивые и хорошо сложены
@@ВсеголишьПутник у меня рука больше чем у ваших "красивых" девушекиноги.
У Валиевой мне понравились больше всего прыжки, супер, молодец, хотя и у Лизы и у Алёны то же классные
У Камилы такие длинные ножки и ручки, такая хореография космическая
Midori Ito's 3A always left me speechless
Completely unrelated but Alena Kostornaia is my new favourite figure skater for using the twilight soundtrack in her routine
I don't know how I've found my way into figure skating youtube, but as someone who knows approximately nothing about figure skating, I couldn't really tell a difference but it's super cool regardless.
Сейчас все таки прыжки более профессионально и легко выглядят, но какими жертвами этот профессионализм достигается страшно представить
Пусть в бухгалтерию идут, кто заставляет ?
Любой высокий профессионализм достигается жертвами чего-то.
@@nataliaborisova9198 совершенство дается через многократные падения
@@nataliaborisova9198 как правило, родители с больной психикой их заставляют.
weird how theres no mention of mao asada who had hers for 10 years
@@boumboumperlons1063 ruclips.net/video/XzFGzsn6Skg/видео.html
this isnt quality?
It's because the uploader wanted to be like "1990s figure skating is cumbersome and awkward because of Tanya and Midori, but 2020s skating is beautiful!!!11" It's like 30 years of evolution (plus a huge judging change) shouldn't make a difference. Mao gets in the way of their 1991-vs-2020 argument.
It looks so easy for Elizaveta
I think it’s because when she takes off her arms are bent and in front of her unlike other skates where there arms are back and extended. Oh yeah and because her landing is so relaxed 🤩
That's the Empress for ya! 😉💖🇷🇺👑⛸
@@karahpark6327 I call it as t-rex arm. Lol. It's amazing that she can generate momentum just by leg muscle alone.
Ito and Harding's jumps were higher and more powerful than the girls in our days. It's so evident on the last parallel jumps of Midori and Kostornaia: Ito made all rotation while Alyona under rotated on a quater. Also Ito was a really adult skater when she did her 3A - 19-23 y.o. while Kostornaia jumped it the last time still at the age of 16. Valieva should not be here because she is still a junior. We all know what happens to Eteri's girls after she finish the school - like Cinderella after a midnight, they lose all their special attributes starting the jumps. )
My conclusion: 20 year ago the jumps were higher, better, cleaner. Now there is the only exception - Lisa Tuk. with her old school 3A and lutz. But they are not so high and energetic like of Ito's and Harding's
yes i just love the way the jumps looked back 20-30 years ago! they were much more powerful and i feel like nowadays they are smaller and use more prerotation! they are all amazing though
Midori's absolute confidence in the jumps are what make it so beautiful. And the landings is always perfect, no stumbles, no wobbles. Can't say the same for anyone else I've seen, and definitely not as consistently
Эталанное скольжение и прыжки у Алены. Лучшая
there's a video of Midori doing 3A + 3T in training and Kristi Yamaguchi was was drooling on the sideline.
Раньше градации возраста были другие. Это сейчас выпускают на Олимпиаду 15леток.. А раньше минимум совершеннолетних. Подростки и легче и равновесие другое....
Tuktamysheva is master of the best ever technique. Kostornya - elegant and athletic, Kihira is ok, Valieva has her own style. these 4 girls top the list :))
Why there aren't any salchovs and flips, I wonder? А что касается сравнения прыжков - старые делались именно как отдельные спортивные элементы - мимо музыки и программы. Новые - как элементы программы. Поэтому их сравнивать не совсем корректно, так как они не в равных условиях. В старое время на подготовку к прыжку давалось больше времени - а сейчас за это будут снимать компоненты и ГОЕ. Поэтому у старых более книжная техника, а новые более заточены на лёгкость и непрерывность исполнения с другими связками - что возможно только с оптимизированной техникой. Старые фигуристки просто не смогли бы современную хореографию откатать - она была бы слишком интенсивная для них, не было бы времени на подготовку к прыжкам. И тут уже кому что важнее - отдельные прыжки или цельность восприятия всей программы.
On the video i put ‘some jumps’ , a part 2 will come soon with the rest of the jumps :)
Фигурное катание - не лёгкая атлетика. Здесь прыгают не в высоту и не в длину, здесь предмет соревнования - сама техника прыжка, чистота и правильность её исполнения. Здесь нельзя придумать свой фосбери-флоп, а попытки сделать это называются "читерство".
@@ГалинаПугачёва-ф1и прежде чем решать за судей что и как они должны или не должны оценивать - я бы посоветовал для начала ознакомиться с правилами. В частности, в критериях ГОЕ при оценке прыжка нет ни одного пункта, который можно было бы отнести к технике. Более того, в правилах даже определений типов прыжков нет. Сюрприз, правда? Поэтому ваши представления о том как должно быть правильно вы конечно имеете полное право рассказывать - вот только к реальности они не имеют никакого отношения.
ахуеть не встать... вот это новости.. я в шоке
@@ГалинаПугачёва-ф1и человек, похоже, топит за флуцбергеры, ничего не жмёт. Хотя с той же скоростью и точностью, и даже более сложными заходами/выходами тот же Юзуру Ханю катает книжную старую технику. Минимальная преротация, глубокое ребро - вот это всё. Ни тычковых ног-молотков, ни сильной преротации.
Что до определения прыжков… за правила не скажу, но у ISU точно есть компьютерные модели, изображающие чистое, правильное выполнение прыжков. Значит, где-то таки должен быть регламент. И при начислении ГОЕ как минимум учитываются (через раз) рёбра прыжков. Как и запрещён очевидный без замедленной съёмки съём лицом во что-либо, кроме Акселя.
Так что я даже не знаю о чём товарищ Кролик говорит.
Мне кажется самый красивый прыжок у Алёны, она очень лёгкая, посмотрим конечно как она выступит в Финляндии, очень переживаю за наших девочек
По мне лучший прыжок у Камиллы
Мне тоже понравились прыжки Алены, какие- то легкие, завершенные и как кто - то написал высокие.Валиева тоже отлично прыгает.Лиза тяжеловата.Правда я не специалист, пусть они оценивают.Люблю фигурное катание с детства,сидели возле черно- белого телевизора и были рады.
Раньше фигурное катание было каким-то тяжелым, прям видно как прыжки даются тяжело (катались тогда намного старше, чем сейчас) и сколько радости они испытывают когда прыжок получился. Сейчас катают 15-17летние, техника четкая, прыжки отработанные, сил много что бы делать сложные элементы, эмоции не проявляются совсем. Раньше больше катали, теперь больше прыгают.
Сделают на взрослые соревнования допуск с 16, а то и 18 лет, и "тяжесть" прыжков вернется. Сегодня фигуристки готовятся на один олимпийский сезон. Дальше девочка взврослеет - приходят следующие. Я их фамилии запоминать даже не успеваю.
@@kuralexer это ужасно - такое потребительское отношение с спортсменам(
They all make it look for effortless, while some make it look easier than others. Beautiful.
No one does a triple axel like Midori. She's the best!!
Alena kostornaia does the 3A better
@@leahvictoria2821 No one can compete Midori's 3A. The height of Midori 3A is about 71cm with heavier shoes by more than 1kg compared with now. Aliona has certainly 3A, however, the height of her 3A is 57cm with light shoes. That's it.
@@JJ-yh7su midori's height is just insane, no doubts, but I think that dude meant the landing. modern skaters just look smoother and more effortless, mb that's cos of lighter shoes, but still :0
ありがとうございます。
当時を覚えている人には、忘れられない衝撃でしたね。私もあの豪快なトリプルアクセルを忘れられません。
FromJapan
@@leahvictoria2821 No, the last one on side by side is one quarter under rotated
Алена очень красиво прыгает,наши Русские девочки как березоньки тоненькие,кажется как ножки не ломаются.
Еще бы на сквизи сидеть.
Алена-эталон!
недокрученности. )))
Maxnaturamour 😳🤣
A great sport to represent humanity. Beautiful, elegant, artful, and athletic.
I agree that the sheer joy on the faces of those who first 'landed' the jumps almost outweighs how polished they've become. In the day, it was a THING! The announcers made a point to indicate where a Triple anything would be attempted. The later performances, it was just part of the show. The magic isn't gone, we've just learned how to build on what was there.
The jumps themselves look the same. It just appears that the ones in 1990s took more preparation and initial effort, and the landing were more brusque. The 2020 jumps were made with an air of, “Eh, no biggie. Been doing this since I was 5.” And the landing and transition to subsequent actions were smooth and graceful.
Tara's 3Lz is soooo tiny compared to the others D:
it’s not even a lutz. full on severe inside edge
In comparison Tara looks really weak
All of her jumps in general were pretty close to the ground. I was shocked she didn’t two foot more of them.
@@kelsey1406 They say her skating is a bit more different than others because she first started out on rolling skates, which aren't as light and fast as ice skating.
И девушки, какие "сбитые", прям были😁 сейчас то какие тоненькие все 😍
Возраст.
Дети пришли в большой спорт.
Камила Валиева лучшая! Какая элегантность и красота прыжков!
Landed double axels in 70’s in Wifa Gold Stars, boots weigh 30 % more than the boots of today.