The Chosen gets this Wrong | Dr Kipp Davis Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Dr Kipp Davis reacts to the Chosen. In an attempt by the creators to make the world of the show plausible historically, they get one really important detail wrong: literacy. The show presents Judea as a place where there were lots of people from ordinary backgrounds who could read and write. However the reality is far from what is presented in the show.
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So I've never seen this show before … it seems like a weird creative choice to make everyone speak English but with vaguely Middle Eastern accents? I don't think those are the actors' actual accents…Jonathan Roumie (Jesus) is from New York City.
As we all know from the documentary *The Life of Brian*, people in Roman times actually spoke with British accents.
"Hey, I'm walkin on water here!"
They wrote the gospels in Greek for the same reason they made the show in English, they are catering to their audience.
micah3209
how many languages would these people need to be in command of to have such an ability as to choose which among them would best cater to a particular audience?
And in fact, archaeology shows that some Roman Senators spoke in Liverpool accents to be more precise 😂
@selfademus The New Testament was almost certainly written by scribes who were either paid, or more likely enslaved. Paul uses scribes in most of his letters, as does Peter. They were that literate and highly trained group spoken of in the video. Greek was a good bet if you were trying to reach a large audience quickly. It was the language most people would have been familiar with throughout the Roman Empire. English is the most widely distributed language geographically today, and for that reason, a significant chunk of media is produced in that language.
Great video, something also worth mentioning is that the writer of Matthew most likely got a lot of his writings from the writer of Mark so if we are hypothetically saying that Matthew wrote parts of the text while traveling, very little of it(If any) would’ve made it into the text we have today.
Good point!
Yes. Virtually everyone agrees that Mark was the first gospel written. But this series tried to make it look like Matthew wrote it live--like Guy Smiley!
Or they had a common source. But yes, more likely Mark was the first.
This video was fantastic. I support Dr. Kipp on Patreon. He's fantastic and a really nice guy too. I love watching anything that he does. He's one of my favorite scholars.
Awesome, thank you so much! Glad you liked it.
It's like watching the movie Gladiator. Yeah it's not historically accurate, but it's a good fictional story based on real period. Like all great stories, The Odyssey and Iliad.
Subbed. Already subbed to Dr Kipp. Great video: especially the combination of appreciation for the show's quality, while heavily emphasizing the totally fictional character of it in general. Though only thing missing is a decent breakdown on the dress and costuming: should Dr KIpp (or maybe Helen Bond) ever want to cross the topic, I doubt I'd be the only one to really appreciate it. Ok, so I'm not serious about this, but man, that would be cool.
One criticism: not even one relevant joke from Life of Brian and the graffiti scene...
Welcome aboard! And yes your criticism is correct - I mean I didn't even realise that's what the comments were referring to haha. Too long since I've seen it.
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS!!
Romani ite domum! Now write it out a hundred times.
Lol the more I know, the harder it is to not stir the pot with my family. But, we are always ignorant of something.
0:40 kids of that age would have been working at their jobs, not idling on a meadow listening to a random stranger.
And females would never sit this close to males above the age of 8
You’re so informed about all of the social aspects of life 2000 years ago. You know exactly what all the children would have been doing!
@@James-ms2mx because ALL Abrahamic religions in antiquity regarded such opposite gender sitting arrangements as SINFUL
@@tsemayekekema2918
Did you get that from Hebrew scripture or tradition?
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Besides, the post I responded to said the kids would have all been at their jobs but now you’re arguing something else. Quite the apologist you are
the chosen is liking watching the movie braveheart...and then when you do a deep dive in history you realize there were alot of narrative decisions made to make a better story... the same with the historical jesus you realize it is based on a true story but the chosen is not the true story. An inspiring story but lacks historical guts and grit of that historical context.
Love the vid! Thanks for tackling this subject
Glad you enjoyed it!
A very interesting take on how the show portrays Matthew.
Do you plan on releasing a longer version between you and Dr. Davis?
I hadn't planned to for this topic. But I'll see if anything good got left on the cutting room floor and release it as a members only thing.
However Kipp will return probably at least twice this year for other topics.
It’s 2024, and we need a scholar to tell us that a TV show is not precisely like reality…. And then feel superior in the comments. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
More like we need a scholar to tell us which parts are plausible and which parts are fictionalized. Our modern, western culture of assumed literacy can result in the audience simply accepting that most people can read and write.
Papyrus wasn’t cheap either. My own research put the cost of one piece of papyrus at equivalent to $38 in our time. That was in Greece. I couldn’t find information about cost in Palestine.
I’ve never watched the show but I think it actually would’ve been interesting to show a mostly illiterate society being impressed by people like Jesus who may have also been illiterate but had memorized huge stretches of the Tanakh
The children back then were taught to memorize the Torah. It didn’t say they had to read it or write it but they had to memorize it before their bar mitzvah
HAHA! This is amazing! Really interesting 🙌
Thanks David! 😁 Glad you enjoyed it.
More like bookies, not bookkeepper
People who have jumped in here to defend Chosen (to make god like you more? I don't know. 🤷) They don't actually watch the whole video. That's why there's so many odd comments claiming things no one said. They watch until they spot something they can criticise then jump to the comments section. So all the "but she's not reading..." idiots simply watched the first 60 seconds instead of the first 2 mins to see what they were talking about.
For a historian you should have known it was not referred to are Roman Palestine, that wasn’t until much later. It was Judea/Samaria and Galilee.
Palestine was a geographical term used by historians like Herodotus long before Hadrian made it the official name
He is probably more biased that historian.
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The premise that the Chosen is promoting is odd because even most Evangelical Biblical scholars tend to subscribe to the amanuensis theory, that many of the New testaments authors (even Paul at times) resorted to paid professional scribes to put down their thoughts in their own words. For example, I've seen Evangelical scholars argue that there are differences between some of the writings such as the two Epistles of Peter is that Peter supposedly used two different scribes.
While I would say it's probably likely that there were professional scribes and highly educated people who wrote much of the New Testament, what this series is presenting is rather strange since even Evangelical scholars don't have any kind of theological issue with other people writing down the thoughts of Jesus' disciples and giving them their own rhetorical flourish.
Completely agree, as soon as we met Matthew I thought 'this seems very unlikely' in light of current scholarship. If Christians (like me) have an issue with a scribe writing the NT documents, then they would need to throw out much of Paul like you say. Some of Paul's letters are even stated to be from mutliple people, such as timothy etc. I seen no logical reason why God could not inspire a document that was shaped by a community rather than an individual. But what do I know.
Paul had a scribe - why would Matthew need to have any skills when he could hire an elite scribe in his christian community? In any case, Matthew was certainly not the author of our canonical "Gospel of Matthew"-as Papias said he wrote he gospel in some Jewish language that was not Greek, and our canonical gospel is certainly not a translation. One can't rule out the possibility that this Greek gospel of Matthew might have used a non-extant work done by Matthew, just like he used Mark as a source
_["why would Matthew need to have any skills when he could hire an elite scribe in his christian community?"]_
Because the Gospel of Matthew that we have is a complex piece of literature, with themes strung throughout the work to portray Jesus as the new Moses. It isn't a simple telling of the remembered details of Jesus's life that would be produced by dictating to a scribe.
_["One can't rule out the possibility that this Greek gospel of Matthew might have used a non-extant work done by Matthew, just like he used Mark as a source"]_
It can't be completely ruled out, true, but it is very unlikely. There are fabricated details in Matthew's gospel, such as the mass slaughter of boys by King Herod, that are part of the portrayal of Jesus as the new Moses. The author isn't interested in historical accuracy, but with his theological and evangelical message.
@@Kyeudo I am at loss as to why you imagine any Christian scribe would be incapable of such literary composition! In any case, the author of our canonical Gospel Of Matthew probably lived in a community that held Matthew in high prominence, or probably even met Matthew in person at some point-as his obsession with Matthew shines through in the fact that he copied the Markan story of a tax collector called Levi and replaced Levi with Matthew (perhaps he had heard some oral stories that led him to guess or believe Matthew met Jesus on very identical kinds of circumstances as Levi).
Your baseless assertion that the murder of infants was a fabrication cannot be substantiated by an appeal to lack of mention in Josephus-because the killing of a few babies, most/all of whom probably belonged to families lowly nobodies is hardly important enough for Josephus to write to a global audience; I need to remind you that no one in the ancient world had the kind of moral sensitivities to see all killing of babies as something fundamentally immoral in & of itself (don't expect it to trend on ancient Twitter as some "war crime"; if anything, killing babies could hypothetically even be praised as a show of military strength).
Christians in modern times orally model their true live personal stories in terms that are reminiscent of plot points for the Exodus - the fact that Jesus is painted as the new Moses is hardly a reasonable argument against the historicity of the Gospel Of Matthew that was very certainly written within 100 years after Herod (and possibly even as early as 70 AD-as the prophecies of Temple destruction can be argued to have been a FOUNDATIONAL SECTARIAN Eschatological Claims that defined the early Christian / John The Baptist movements even before Jesus' baptism; Paul's claim that the bodies of Christians are God's Temple is completely synonymous with wishing destruction on the Jerusalem Temple, as any non-sectarian Rabbi would consider it blasphemous to recognize any other Temple of God asides the one in Jerusalem)
@@Kyeudo I would further argue that the only reason a random name like Matthew's name would have remained attached to that gospel, despite how less prominent Matthew was in later traditions, is because this gospel looked similar enough to one or more of its non-Markan literary sources that were in fact Greek translations of whatever original Hebrew/Aramaic (Papias says "Jewish tongue") gospel written by the historical Matthew himself, OR alternatively (not mutually exclusive), that one of the most popular locations for its (canonical Gospel Of Matthew's) early provenance was a community / geographical location in which the historical Matthew stayed / led over for an exceptionally long time.
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_["I am at loss as to why you imagine any Christian scribe would be incapable of such literary composition!"]_
You missed the point. If the scribe is composing the gospel, Matthew didn't write it, even by dictation. In that scenario, Matthew would have been nothing more than one source among many.
_["In any case, the author of our canonical Gospel Of Matthew probably lived in a community that held Matthew in high prominence, or probably even met Matthew in person at some point-as his obsession with Matthew shines through in the fact that he copied the Markan story of a tax collector called Levi and replaced Levi with Matthew"]_
That's a lot of supposition to hang on a single name change.
_["Your baseless assertion that the murder of infants was a fabrication cannot be substantiated by an appeal to lack of mention in Josephus-because the killing of a few babies, most/all of whom probably belonged to families lowly nobodies is hardly important enough for Josephus to write to a global audience;"]_
A few babies? It was supposedly every male child under the age of two years in a town of at least two thousand people and the regions around the town. Given the propensity for large families in ancient times, this would have been dozens if not hundreds of children.
It also is not just Josephus that is silent on the matter. The event doesn't appear in the surviving works of Nicolaus of Damascus, who was a personal friend of Herod, or any other contemporary historian. We have good reason to believe that if this event happened, it would be recorded as significant.
_["I need to remind you that no one in the ancient world had the kind of moral sensitivities to see all killing of babies as something fundamentally immoral in & of itself"]_
The killing of wanted sons in a patriarchal society that placed emphasis on male inheritance of familial wealth? Yes, this would have been considered incredibly immoral.
_[" the fact that Jesus is painted as the new Moses is hardly a reasonable argument against the historicity of the Gospel Of Matthew that was very certainly written within 100 years after Herod"]_
The best argument against the historicity of the Gospel of Matthew is the numerous miraculous claims the book contains, beginning with the virgin birth. Like all of the gospels, it is a highly fictional account of the life an ordinary human that managed to amass enough of a religious following that rumors of his supposed appearance after his death allowed his following to transition into a new religion.
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_[" I would further argue that the only reason a random name like Matthew's name would have remained attached to that gospel..."]_
It didn't "remain attached". The evidence shows that it had no title at all until the middle of the second century. None of the earlier church fathers attributes any of their quotes from the gospel to Matthew. What appears to be the case is that the titles were attached once enough of the gospels were in common circulation that there was a need by the average congregation to distinguish between them.
There are so many modern social anachronisms (peter's wife--OMG) forced into the series. I have found it impossible to get past season 2.
I made it through S1. It became uncomfortable for me.
Peter did have a wife. ( Mark 1:30) We do not really know anything about her.
Concerning anachronisms. Mormonism is FULL of them. Catholics have their own false visions and lies.
This is the calmest I've heard Kipp. I'm a Christian and I agree with his assessment of where the creators played a bit fast and loose with the historical context. Most of it strct me when I watched a bit of it. Didn't really get further than a few episodes.
I always find it interesting.How historians say that bad?Anyone could read Read or write And yet we still have all of these writings. Like not even just.
The biblical writings but the extra biblical writings. He mentioned how people would use pottery to make contracts.Well then clearly people knew how to write
Well the literate class knew how to write. And that's the same with any culture from ancient history. The people who wrote stories and books down were the minority who were educated. Also there's a big difference being able to write things like a contract and recording a speech for example. Those are two different levels of education.
Spartacus, Ben Hur life of Brian are in comparison historically very accurate.
Nothing compares to Life of Brian on the sensitivity to historical accuracy scale. It is a masterpiece.
@@DrKippDavis 😀👍
I enjoyed the show, thought it was nicely done in a lot of ways. And I was annoyed by this, too, the distorted portrayal of literacy portraying contemporary note-takers of what Jesus was saying and doing. Thanks for expounding on this. I will say this much: it portrayed a nice story and if today’s Christians behaved the way that the Jesus in this series taught, the world would be a kinder place.
Good point about tax collectors being thugs. Matthew in this series was the total opposite of a thug.
Really glad you found it helpful!
actually there may have been disciples taking some notes. Dont take the word of one scholar.
@@PC-vg8vn I have yet to come across a single scholar who has suggested that anyone was taking notes contemporaneously. Only a small minority of people were able to write, writing materials were expensive, the small minority of people who could write were elites or scribes (many of whom were slaves hired to do the tedious job of writing). The people surrounding Jesus were mostly poor and, outside of historians, it just wasn’t something that people did. Oral transmission of stories was the norm. Even if someone did record something contemporaneously it obviously did not survive. The earliest Christian writings were from Paul and he never met Jesus personally, only through a vision. Notice how Paul *never* talks about what Jesus actually did or even quotes Jesus’ teachings outside of one quote regarding the last supper? So yes, anything is possible but is it probable?
@@OldMotherLogo Well you wouldnt have read all the scholarly work on the subject so it's not really surprising. Read works by Graham Stanton, E Earle Ellis, Alan Millard and HY Gamble. Craig Keener has argued given that in both Greek and Roman cultures disciples of teachers took notes, it is quite possible some of the disciples following Jesus would have done the same, even if within Jewish culture more reliance was put on oral memorization.
As for Paul his writings consisted of letters to churches or individuals for specific purposes, so it is not surprising he rarely refers to the acts or direct teachings of Jesus. That was not his purpose in writing, an argument even Bart Ehrman accepts.
Anything is possible. The question is what is probable given what we know about the culture of poor Jews following an itinerant apocalyptic preacher (and there were many) in first century Galilee. A poor young girl in a poor small village who can read and recite scripture? Seriously? If you want to believe that, you have freedom of conscience to do so.
4:15 Romanes eunt domus? It says Romans Go Home! No it doesn't!
Just to be clear, the text on screen is the official subtitles. I didn't add it.
@@TabletsAndTemples You don't recognize the quotation? It's from a similar scene in Life of Brian.
Oh haha, I've seen it but a long time ago.
Great presentation. My Husband watches the show and likes it.
Glad you enjoy it!
Thank you Dr Kipp, "1st century Roman PALESTINE".
I don't see any need to assume these children were reading. They aren't reading in this scene. It does make sense that they would learn oral tradition by rote
That they learned by rote in "Torah School," like Jesus said?
@@DrKippDavis I'm not sure what else you expected them to say. Presumably people were reading torah in synagogue and it apparently was popular enough that even non jews were attending and listening. Maybe he should have called it sundayschool
I don't think any fans of the show will walk away from it convinced that the average child (or even adult) could read
Also.. while I don't carve stone, scratch pottery, or make papyrus, I regularly slaughter my livestock and prepare the skins. It's not difficult or expensive. I'd love to see your evidence that writing material was difficult to come by
@tbishop4961 "Presumably people were reading torah in synagogue"
False. The vast majority of people in the region were simply incapable of reading anything. Those who read a little bit could read only a handful of letters or words as was necessary. The only people reading in Synagogues were the Pharisees and leaders, and even this is better characterized as "reciting." They learned to SAY Torah passages in a language that the vast majority of them no longer even used. There were no "Torah schools," and even the Synagogues did not function as promoters of pedagogy-these were institutions for the conservation of religious traditions.
"...it apparently was popular enough that even non jews were attending and listening."
Um, what? Is there a reliable source for this nugget? Even if it was common for non-Jews to be hanging out in Synagogues, they were doing what all the Jewish attendees were doing-LISTENING, not reading.
"...I regularly slaughter my livestock and prepare the skins. It's not difficult or expensive."
LOL. As if your twenty-first century experience is in any way comparable to life in first century Roman Palestine. The fact is that we have very scant epigraphic remains on animal skins and papyrus, compared to enormous numbers of ostraca. Animal skins for something as specialised and arcane as literature were harder to come by than more simply prepared leather for various, much more utilitarian means. The process for creating PARCHMENT is indeed much more labour intensive and time consuming.
She's not reading. She is reciting what she heard. You are putting assumptions in.
They literally have a scene showing her reading, we talk about it in the video.
Probably promoting the Protestant idea of Sola Scriptura
The Chosen...Men in Skirts.
Shut up: jealousy!
a number of scholars believe it was quite possible that some of Jesus' disciples did take notes during his ministry, as a back up to memorising his teaching which would have been the norm for students of a rabbi. There were more than the Twelve. People from various backgrounds with differing levels of literacy, both reading and writing. Even Paul refers to 'my scrolls, especially the parchments'. A variety of notebooks were in use at the time - wax tablets, ink leaf tablets, parchment and papyrus booklets. That is NOT fiction.
_["Even Paul refers to 'my scrolls, especially the parchments'."]_
That is one of the many forged epistles in the New Testament.
That sounds like pure conjecture to me. What scholars and what evidence to they point to? Just saying there was a bunch of dudes so surely one of them had to be writing shyte down is just wild guessing. Based on what? Pointing to Paul doesn’t make sense because he was not one of the actual apostles following Jesus but a self proclaimed Pharise. He would have had access to the education needed to learn such a rare and highly specialized skill of that time. The apostles were fisherman and regular towns people. They just didn’t have that available to learn casually at that time.
There’s just not enough to support that claim.
Good video.
Quite aside from that, though, the constant cuts to and from Dr Kipp and a laptop apparently showing Dr Kipp at the same time were a bit distracting.
Wasn't teaching literacy the 276.3rd miracle of Jesus?
Why would any Evangelical or Protestant have anything to do with or praise this TV series?
"The Chosen" is made by Catholics and MORMONS.
The 3:20 marker is so wrong !!!
He mentions the Dead Sea Scrolls and then goes on to say Onlyy Elites can write". Do you know who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?? They were peasants, they were a poor and nomadic people, who ended up disagreeing with the status quo (Pharisees/Sadducees --->The Sanhedrin) and settled and made their home near the Kumran caves, off the shore of the Dead Sea. They were the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of Elite. These people were called the Essenes, they were minimalists, who loved their God YHWH and like most Israelites/Jews, were in wait of their Messiah. They are the perfect example that you can work the fields, raise livestock, trade, fish, et,c and still find time to have the wise elders in the community teach the young and the old about the history of their people and how to document that history, among many other things (they found recipes, daily tasks, diaries, short stories along with the Biblical and extraBiblical texts in the Dead Sea Scrolls). They found the scrolls to bemostlyt written in Hebrew and Aramaic, with some Koine Greek scrolls as well.
I think you guys need to do a little bit more research on the literacy of the people of Judea and The Galilee. We have an abundance of proof from archeology, coinage, historical writings, Biblical papyri etc... thats show it was not simply the Elite, who can write. Do I think this scene is correct in The Chosen? Maybe, but maybe not. I dont think the majority of children knew how to write and I don't think the majority of adults did either, but that doesn't mean their wasn't still a strong percentage that did. As I previoudly said we have too many proofs, showing their literacy. We see these proofs in not only the Liturgic Hebrew but also in Aramaic and Koine Greek.
Dr Kipp Davis is one of the world's foremost experts on the dead sea scrolls. He knows what he's talking about.
You are making an assumption that the average member of the Kumran community was also involved in dealing with and creating their library of scrolls. You are also disputing the testimony of experts who have studied these specific topics using all of the sources you mentioned.
Romanes eunt domus1
Do people understand The Chosen is a show not actual Scripture?!?! Let me guess, people got their theology from The Ten Commandments movie lol
The Ten Commandments movie has probably influenced a great deal of people's perceptions about Moses and his plausibility as a historical figure. The historical evidence shows that there was never a time when there was a large population of enslaved Hebrews in Egypt, no Ten Plagues, no Exodus, and no forty years of wandering. Moses is most likely a literary invention or a composite character, created when the Pentateuch was stitched together from other sources during the Persian period.
@Kyeudo You know how many times Historical evidence showed nothing until it did? It's uncountable.
@@sbaker8971 How many times?
@j.gstudios4576 refer to my previous statement and read the words "It's uncountable" for your answer
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It's not that we just don't have evidence for those things. It's that we have evidence actively against them. The mass exodus of millions of people from a site leaves behind traces. They can't be found in Egypt, one of the most excavated areas of the world. The material culture of Canaan is continuous - i.e. the style of tools doesn't suddenly change anywhere in their excavated history, unlike what would be expected of a sudden influx of people born and raised in Egypt. Egypt has one of the best preserved document histories of any ancient culture, yet nowhere in their centuries of documents do we find anything about massive plagues resembling what is in the Bible. There's more evidence against the Biblical narrative, from the excavations of Canaanite settlements not showing a coherent conquest narrative (or walls at Jericho) to the region being subjugated by the Egyptians at the most popular time to put Moses historically.
In any illiterate society there are many intelligent people whose thinking, reading and writing abilities are unused. That said with the fact of Matthew's gospel it's easier to assume Jesus taught his disciples to write in Greek, which was the language of the Jewish community in Egypt, where they were writing the Septiigint, and where we know Jesus's family lived when he was young.
We do not know that he grew up in Egypt. The gospels disagree.
_["That said with the fact of Matthew's gospel it's easier to assume Jesus taught his disciples to write in Greek,"]_
Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant born in Nazareth. He spoke Aramaic.
_["where we know Jesus's family lived when he was young."]_
King Herod never carried out a massacre of boys, so the motivation to go to Egypt was never there. Given that Matthew is designed to portray Jesus as the new Moses, this whole trip to Egypt is most likely a fictional creation to create parallels with the story of Moses.
I've watched every single episode so far and what bothers me is the timeline they use is completely wrong. They are out of order and added to build some suspense. Like how they put the death of John the Baptist way after the feeding of the five thousand in Matthew 14:13-20. John was beheaded in Matthew 14:1-12. So, before the feeding but they have it happening months after in the show. Thats just one example but the entire show is like this with the events happening in the wrong order which as a reader of bible every day bothers me.
Jewish religion have a very deep tradition on education. Gospels say that Jesus was able to read, for example. Some disciples were wealthy so it makes sense they probably had some education. I'm sure that literacy varied a lot by place and time, such as the many tests written by children found in Sumer.
Truth is that writing was not as useful as people assume. People had good memory as it was tradition to memorize.
Why it is strange that Matthew being able to speak different languages in a zone where many cultures interacted? Today in America many uneducated people speak or understand well over 3 languages. So can many native Americans and Europeans today.
WOKE in the time of Jesus.
Thank you. It's true. Jesus was woke. You are correct.
And Dallas Jenkins admitted that 95 percent of the show isn't from the Bible, which I don't watch it.
How about you stop attacking the show and actually watch it not everything is going to be accurate why because they didn’t write down word for word every single discussion they had with Jesus
The show is Christian propaganda to other Christians to convince other Christians that Jesus really did do all of the things written about in the gospels. Meanwhile, the gospels were written decades after Jesus died by non-eyewitnesses and weren't titled until the middle of the second century.
3:40 Kipp totally misses what fan fiction is about
The little girl isn't meant to demonstrate what is common, but rather an anomaly. And the graffiti is clearly a nod to Life of Brian
Kipp needs a good doobie in a bad way
Laughing and making fun doesn’t establish your conjecture, Kippy.
No, it's the scholarship. Catherine Heszer wrote a very long, very dense book all about this nearly 20 years ago, and Wise's recent work has only helped to refine and clarify what scholars all know-that the Galilee in first century Roman Palestine was a cultural backwater, and that people there did not read and write.
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Thanks for replying. I didn’t think you would ever read this, let alone reply. You caught me being snarky with the “Kippy” comment so I apologize for the way I meant it although in some circles maybe you do go by that.
It’s just that the mocking in your videos seems like it comes from a very one dimensional and heartless way of thinking to me. Trust me, I’m not a delicate flower that needs to be coddled but as someone in the middle of deep research into questions regarding my faith, the laughing and mocking tends to push me away from watching things like this and back towards my inner status quo. People who mock have the tendency to come across as not taking the topic seriously enough to be taken seriously themselves.
Thank you for the research material recommendations
This is a fictionalized drama not a historical depiction. Give it a rest. I don't know why people have to tear down anything they disagree with.
I enjoy side by side comparisons of fiction vs historical facts. I think it has value since historical fiction can easily become 'fact' in people's minds if the flaws are not pointed out.
There has not been even a moderately historical depiction of the 1st century. Every depiction has been skewed to conform with the biblical account. I am very curious to learn what that time period was like. It is amazing how much it impacts our modern culture.
This is a pretty dire video. The only people writing in the show are Matthew and John. It’s explained that Mary’s dad taught her to read. And those who can’t, within the disciples, teach one another.
And even so, who cares… it’s a show trying to spread the good news.
Grafitti existed in ancient times. In fact, first representation of Jesus was a mocking of Jesus made by Roman pagan soldiers, so at least many soldiers had some education. But most Grafitti was probably not text, but images.