BMW Neue Klasse Cuts Pack Cost in Half; BNEF Says BEVs Far Cleaner Than ICE - Autoline Daily 3773
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0:00 Cybertruck Features Extensive Use of 48-Volt
2:18 Tesla Berlin Workers Deny Union Full Control
3:02 BNEF Says BEVs Far Cleaner Than ICE
4:33 EU Car Sales Post Strong February Gains
5:59 Platinum & Palladium Prices Crashing
6:47 BMW Posts Mixed 2023 Results
7:33 BMW Neue Klasse Boasts 40-50% Lower Pack Cost
8:26 BMW's 3D Printing Welding Robot
9:20 Kia K4 Takes a Bow
Story Links:
Cybertruck Teardown Details: www.autoline.tv/car-reviews/w...
Tesla Workers Deny Union Control: www.reuters.com/business/auto...
BEVs Cleaner Than ICE: www.bloomberg.com/news/newsle...
EU Car Sales: www.acea.auto/files/Press_rel...
Platinum & Palladium Prices Crashing: www.reuters.com/markets/commo...
BMW 2023 Results: www.press.bmwgroup.com/global...
BMW Neue Klasse: www.press.bmwgroup.com/global...
BMW 3D Printing Welding Robot: www.press.bmwgroup.com/global...
Kia K4: www.kianewscenter.com/news/al...
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Loved John's video yesterday with the Cybertruck teardown. While I'm absolutely not a fan of the exterior styling of the Cybertruck, seeing it torn down and the level of engineering used throughout is extremely impressive and something you can only appreciate in a teardown video like that. Great stuff, hope we get to see more as the teardown continues.
One word. Fingerprints.
@@joeking433 Buy yourself a can of turtle wax.
Wow great episode today Shawn.
It felt like Autoline was really fighting the FUD today.
That Bloomberg article is what EV/Tesla fans have been saying for years now.
Only FUD to you unrelenting Tesla fanboy/stock pumpers.
Tell me more about how uninformed you are on the topic. I would love to hear your incredible insight on the matter @@joeking433
Not just Tesla fans. There are at least a dozen studies out on this topic from widely varied sources and methods. The more factors they take into account, the better EVs look.
I was very impressed with Sean's detailed presentation. Maybe the best I've ever seen for one of these studies.
I was especially impressed that he laid out the very important info that was missing from the study (BNEF should be ashamed for releasing a report that did not include the oil supply chain emissions).
Studies that do include oil supply chain emissions show EVs and ICE having the same total emissions after less than one year of operation. In some cases even before being driven.
If we couple this with the improvements projected by BMW, which can be expected across the entire industry, then we can see the writing on the wall.
You ever notice how whenever someone does an EV tear down the whole area is completely free of grease and oil? Speaks volumes to how much cleaner these vehicles are when they are being maintained. The auto shop now looks like a hospital. instead of something that was blanketed by an oil spill.
An EV factory is like a cleanroom in comparison with an ICE factory. ICE factories are so dirty and scummy!
BMW is demostrating legacy automakers how to make an ev and has a good profit. There is no "transition platform" The ev (just like Tesla) had to be designed as a 100% BEV with careful attention to cost reduction and reliability, and providing its own software. The ev sector of BMW had the most grouth, and now it will become the most profitable. Congratulations to BMW.
BMW has their branding right,thats why they can charge more for their cars!
Except they are UGLY
And it’s still just a CGI rendering🫤
Well, BMW is basically the master of „transition platforms“, since they electrified all of their existing platforms with the „power of choice“ program. That’s where the current growth comes from. The „Neue Klasse“ will be the future, electric only, platform.
I think BMW has demonstrated that all you have to do is really mean it, and take the challenge seriously.
But they did also have the advantage that in the luxury segment, the price differential is less, and is also more easily absorbed.
I thought the BMW i3 was an earlier dedicated BEV platform.
Was also available as PHEV.
Yes, it was too expensive and it’s outdated by todays standards
BMW i3 is the worst EV ever made.
BMW made an over engineered shopping cart and tried to fool the general public with it.
Thank God for Autoline.
Nickel & Lithium prices down 75% sure help battery pack prices 😂
“BMW’s first dedicated EV platform” everybody forgetting about the i3 😢
The i3 design usually gets a lot of shade, but I always thought they were cute cars. 🤷
@@BTC_Minarchist I rented one twice. They offer a lot of room for the small size. Driving is nice and because the design is old, they still got a lot of buttons. Sadly the battery is subpar compared to today’s standards so I wouldn’t buy a used one 🙃
@@MarkusSchneider1 I've never driven. Good to know. I'd love it if BMW would produce again, but using modern EV manufacturing techniques, SW, and battery pack. I think it would do well at the right price and with added range. There are two of them in my neighborhood and the owners enjoy them for use around town.
The i3 was also available as PHEV.
@@dontneednostinkingchannel2190 You are right, I always forget about the range extender. I even once drove the i8 which was definetily a PHEV.
For anyone with a gm vehicle interested in ensuring information is not shared with insurance companies instructions can be found at the reference below.
How To Opt Out Of GM Sharing Your Driving Data With Insurance Companies
GM Authority
I read according to gm a person has to sign 3 different times to allow data to be shared, not sure what the actual story is at this time.
Why is everything bad an opt-out type situation when they buried the opt-in in the inital agreement no one could dear because it would take days. Ok, just like everything else you use on a daily basis...
I can't repeat often enough how much I love the quality of your videos... unbiased and straight to the point. It's such a shame that more people aren't subscribed to this excellent channel. Please continue with the amazing work!
I'm not so sure about "unbiased." IMO, this is an EV promotion channel. And I'm not against BEVs. But this channel actively promotes them.
I don't know about completely unbiased, but they do give airtime to a range of viewpoints. Probably about the most balanced coverage on RUclips.
Not many channels give air time to the old school foot draggers, and yet still give detailed and accurate info about EVs.
I, for one, really appreciate their efforts.
All that news about NEV’s means that fuel usage will be down. Which means that gas prices will go up. Which means that NEV’s will be even more popular.
Thank you for sharing the CareSoft video.
BMW should replace the team responsible for designing the exterior of it's EVs. That huge grill is painful to watch.
Nah! That's your delusion.
Yes it looks like the car version of Bucky Dent.
I'm holding out for 49 Volts 🤣
48 V is obsolete in Electric vehicles. Just do what Porsche did with Second generation taycan. Everything needs more than 12 volts run on 800volt , steering, Active suspension, ac, etc. Much more simple and elegant solution than using 3 different voltage like in the cyber truck.
48v is nominal, it's actually 40-58v... so you're good to go. No need to hold out 😂
59v
@@simson4t dont spread false information, Porsche uses 3 different voltages: 800V, 400V and 12V. Not the smartest move, just a compromise to be able to use parts from the shelf.
Electricity consumers in particular, such as the entertainment system, are in the range that is not covered by either 12V or 400V.
@@Zedus-rl9hp it was the first generation. When it came out there was no 800 volt AC Compressor so they had to use 400 volt one. But in the first generation they also used 48 volt to power the Active suspension.
Now when all the light sources are led and all ECUs are low Power it makes no sense to introduce a second low voltage system just for the audio System.
You always want to announce when GM stock is dropping but never when it is at a 52 week high!
That's because China Line Daily cares more about foreign countries than America..
GM stock only goes down.
Autoline! Thank you for the total energy comparison info for BEV vs ICE. Would be even more interesting to see estimates (these all are estimates) of where hybrid electric and PHEV’s fit for total energy required vs ICE and BEVs. Does it play out similar to driving efficiency? Or are the more complex (hybrid) or dual (PHEV) drivetrain vehicles turn out to be worse?? Thank you again for looking for info like this!!
The problem is plug in hybrid cars depend on the way people drive them. The same car will be essentially an EV for one guy and an ICE for the next.
@@danharold3087 What tech drivetrain doesn’t change efficiency noticibly with driving style other than the ones that have
@@daves1646 This is not about driving style. It is about charging habits or lack of. At the extremes it is almost 100% ICE at the other near 100% BEV.
PHEVs are a waste of resources. Dual power sources, dual drivetrains, extra weight, higher maintenance costs. Boooo
@@Mpr47276 Nice generic ideas. PHEVs use more of some materials and less of others to build; but for some owners, that won’t accept all-electric, this get’s them off fossil fuel for some/much of their use case. Pragmatic has a place, especially if you want to move the dial. You’re gonna mandate/shove EVs down everyone’s throat??? Really? Good luck with that.
It's good to hear BMW is doing some real engineering like Tesla, unlike all the other manufacturers.
That Kia K4 looks 80s retro to me. Just don't call it a K car 🤣
Sadly it looks like the aptera wont go into production!:(Hope i am wrong!
It's O K4 me!
It looks stupid.
Kinda of a Datsun Z car back end anyhow
1:26 - don't look now boys and girls, but those are standard 12V harnesses you're looking at with those blue covers, they've just got 48V running to them. and that's fine because in terms of an OEM's longterm need to keep Warranty Costs down after the launch of a new product, DURABILITY MATTERS...
hint: as you see in the clip from the video, if in a year's time you should experience the misfortune of having a bad harness in your expensive Cybertruck because they spec'd the wrong gauge wire, they likely won't be sending out mobile techs to replace these in customer's driveway (not in the rain, not in the summer heat, not in the winter cold).
News flash - pseudo sophisticated and patronizing trolling is still trolling! Why don't you post some serious content with some real technology insights, instead of this crap
So zonal architecture is what they used when they upgraded my 34 Ford from a 6v system to a 12V system back in the day?
Back then you could get 12 volt stuff. Just swap the light bulbs and generator.
Hahahaha!!
I think what they were using in 1934 was called "wire."
Zonal architecture is a little bit different.
@@davidmenasco5743I've worked on similar power architectures for radar systems. Power converters are cheap and efficient these days.
This New Class interior from BMW reminds strangely of the simplistic VW ID's ones...
The earlly hybrid buyers since 2005 to 2015 were all EV enthusiasts, who didn't have other options and bought hybrids as an alternative to EVs, From 2015 onwards there were myriad of EV options and hence hybrids sell started falling since 2015 until now, when period all EV enthusiasts are getting all kinds of EVs. Currently the hybrid sales pick up we are seeing are all coming from the ICE buyers, who are buying it because the oil price has gotten too high, but they can't yet go for EVs for either practical or emotional reasons.
Yeah, PHEV's will follow Hybrids in popularity until it's pure EV's.
EVs are cleaner even though the study did not include the refining and transport of oil? That's great, but why do these studies consistently give oil products such a big leeway in these comparisons, while doing the opposite with EVs at the same time?
I guess it's still amusing to know the unrealistically worst case scenarios, but the fact that EVs were *STILL* 70 percent better, regardless of this preferential treatment to oil consumers, really speaks volumes to how big the advantage gap is in reality.
This is absolutely true.
Studies that include the oil supply chain show EVs having lower emissions after less than one year. In some cases even before being driven.
But congratulations to Sean for doing a great job with this report on the emissions study, and thanks for including the information about what the study leaves out.
And of course if you charge from solar as we and many other folks in our area do your carbon footprint is reduced even further.
Changing everything to 48 systems will cause a lot of repair shops to change a lot of things for sure and at a large cost
Compunets with 48V architecture last longer than thier 12v counterpart, as they have less stress due to temperature cycles, in other words the heat a lot less, and this makes then more efficient also.
@@EnriqueThieleOnce bucked, Ohm says power is power! Did Adrian give you that bit of misinformation! His BA in Physics is questionable!
Like what? Battery charger?
@@jamesvandamme7786 all of the test equipment we use is geared towards 12 volts for scan tools even down to test lights as we have not seen 6 bolts for ever but nothing we have other than DVOM is universal on electrical
Will it? Won't they be easier to work with overall? I feel like the problem will be changing out your parts inventory. But how often do repair shops nowadays sit on huge stockpiles of parts?
You'll service the existing cars for many, many years to come. And you'll stock new parts for the new cars that switch. It's more complicated, but I don't see the specific downside that will destroy shops.
40% more kidney grill
Those BMW headlights looks like it came off Peugeot
Interesting hardware spot from intrepid.
BMW will probably double their sales if they do indeed use that new design language with a more traditional twin kidney grill rather than the gigantic plastic grill monstrosities they have today. Please BMW, dont mess this up.
The news won't encourage people to buy a current generation BMW EV.
They stole that from Rivian.
Nah! You're insane.
48 V is obsolete in Electric vehicles. Just do what Porsche did with Second generation taycan. Everything needs more than 12 volts run on 800volt , steering, Active suspension, ac, etc. Much more simple and elegant solution than using 3 different voltage like in the cyber truck.
Correct
re: "Just do what Porsche did with Second generation taycan" IN YOUR FACE TRI-MOTOR PLAID...!!! (i'm beating you while sticking with only 2 motors)
About the ad using the raspberry pie. The raspberry pie computer is very easy to hack. Be careful.
Only if you put Windows on it, not Linux.
👍
That elecrric bmw suv is one ugly duckling
Seems like those German designers mistranslated bold for UGLY
Did the emissions study give ICE and electric vehicles the same lifespan? I don’t know anyone using 15 year old smartphones
Apples and oranges
But how much energy does ittake ro build all the new fastchargers!
@brunoheggli2888 How much does it cost to dig up old leaking gas tanks and the remediation of the contaminated soil??
Some companies like Tesla provide free software features and upgrades to older cars. Tesla even has a CPU replacement option to upgrade to newer technology. As for lifespan, dumping a $500 phone that is worthless after 5 years is a bit different than a $40K vehicle. Plenty of people will buy that older car (EV or ICE) that has older tech, as the purchase price is a lot lower than new. Keeps those cars operating for years longer.
Cell phones don't have the same level of battery management. The phone manufacturer wants you to buy a new phone every couple of years so they don't give you the tools to maintain your phone battery properly.
BMW Skeletor face!
A Chinese Bmw? 😂😂😂
All these acromyms are getting confusing. EV, MEHV,BEV, PEHV....etc...
EVMEHVBEVPEHV+
BS is simpler
Humuhumnukunukuapuaa
OK Boomer
MHEV - mild hybrid (?) electric vehicle
PHEV - Plug-in hybrid electric vehicle
BEV - Battery-electric vehicle
HEV - hybrid electric vehicle (hybrid)
I could be wrong
@@faheemabbas3965you could be right.
New Kia Carnival looks interesting to me, but I can't stand their new logo. I don't think I could look at it multiple times per day.
It looks great, now Hyundai/ hyena needs to change their stupid name & logo
Tesla is the best car company ever! No gas stations, No oil changes, No smog check, No corrupt dealership, No catalytic converter and as fast as a $650,000 Lamborghini.
Now if Tesla could only do something about the nazi racist that owns it.
Not at all!Mahindra is the best carcompany!Tesla is trash!
Now if Tesla could only do something about the nazi racist that owns the company.
Now if Tesla could only do something about the nazi racist that owns the company.
@@brunoheggli2888
What have they done?
Tesla Headline News: Austin furnace can't even assemble door hinges correctly on Imposter Cybertruck! China Y/Y insured numbers down! King BYD releasing another SUV while Adrian raises prices!
The Don Lemon interview of Captain K is online and REALLY uncomfortable
@@russh6414 Oh yeah I already watched it. Every time Adrian opened his mouth, his ignorance on full display. Adrian was jonesing for a K hit near the end!
@@bobbbobb4663Who knew captain K was such a narcissistic snowflake? Oh yeah, we did! 😂
@@russh6414 More and more people are coming to that realization!
Yeah, I saw Marquis Brownlee's review of his Cybertruck and the door gap was all screwed up and the door wouldn't shut right. Plus, it looked really nasty with all the fingerprints.
BOYCOTT AMERICA
How about boycotting trolling?
Another bloody ugly BMW.. looks like a brick....
Outright lies. Again.
Waiting for your rebuttal.
Well, maybe not.
I mean, they cite their sources. You can challenge the source, but why attack the outlet?
EVline network.
Tesla, AI Stocks Lead S&P 500 Winners
How much market cap has TSLA lost in the last 3 years?
How much market value has TSLA lost YTD?
Yup, Tesla is the same price it was 40 months ago while S&P is up 44%.
Game over for Tesla!
I hope you dont have too much money tied up in that one stock or you are screwed.
I keep track of when Tesla entered the S&P500 since that time Tesla is down around 22% and the S&P500 is up 42% so the delta is a negative 64%
Tesla does not pay a dividend (gm and Ford do), and S&P500 at least a 5% dividend total over that period so Telsa is down around 69%
Tesla P/E is down around 70%
Not good for all the retirement accounts that have an S&P500 type low-cost index fund (the fund is not equal weight at one time Tesla was around 5% of the index)
Why would you think BNEF would be honest about the emissions specifications? Michael Bloomberg is part of Glasgow National Alliance for net zero. Along with Blackrock investments trying to eliminate fossil fuels all together. You also may wish to educate yourself on the inhumane use of slave labor to mine the minerals needed for batteries.
Of course this was a biased report. I still think the Volvo report was the most unbiased one. You either have ICE biased or EV biased reports now. It's hard to find anything objective.
Nice to hear from you. Good that you're pitching in with the FUD. Strike one on your nonsense. Cobalt is being phased out and there is no slave labor used to mine lithium or iron. Wake up! You're in a disinformation induced brain coma!
News flash! Cobalt is actually being phased out and really wasn't produced by slave labor as much why is people think. In any case, your post is trolling nonsense,
Used to enjoy this channel but it has just has become a shill for EV's
As does any car with a dead battery. Hush.
I feel the same way. It's EV News, not Auto news. Spend less time on EVs and more on what people are actually buying. And I'm not anti-EV. But this is an EV promotion site now.
It’s the way of the world boyz
The whole world will be a shill for EVs as fossil tech dies off in a couple years.
Never go full electric.
Only go full electric. Anything else is a fax machine.
An EV dies with its battery, like any toy
If you throw out your kids' toys when the battery dies, your kids won't like you very much. Just a word of advice from a dad.
Take the dead battery out, stuff a V8 in it like Rich Rebuilds did and call it a day! The cost would probably be comparable 🤣
An ICE dies with its engine. In most BEVs early failure can be fixed with module replacement. The battery isnt one thing.
@@russh6414 I find the Cybertruck ugly but I would buy one and put a good ole V8 in, just to see fanboys faces it would be worth the cost
@@MrYishaiShields How much does it cost to replace a Polestar battery again? 80k more or less
When batteries can keep most of their charge after 20 years, I’ll finally trade in my 2000 Accord. 24 years old and still holds a full tank of gas, still gets 300 miles on a tank 👍
I don't think the car companies care about selling to your type of person. It's a losing proposition.
A BEV with a 300 mile range should retain 80% capacity after 200-300k miles.
When somebody makes a gasoline or diesel fueled vehicle that doesn't emit greenhouse gasses, and its fuel can be sourced from solar or wind or hydro power, let me know.
Until then, well, keep your old Honda while it lasts, but don't expect a new ICE vehicle to help solve climate change, and don't expect it to last half as long as a 2000 Honda.
Assuming you're still using a typewriter but perhaps you have progressed from smoke signals to telegraph? It's great that you have such affection for inefficient and outdated technologies.
@@douglaswatt1582 Yeah, the new shit never works.