Off-Road Riding on the Beach in California is Coming to an End
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- Опубликовано: 28 окт 2022
- Off-Road Riding on the Beach in California is Coming to an End
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California is banning off-roading from Oceano Dunes, the last drive-on beach in the entire state. But this isn’t the only off-roading area facing closure, it turns out riding parks in New Jersey, Utah, and other states are all at risk. Is it time to grab the pitchforks, or maybe instead an olive branch? At the very least, more awareness is definitely needed. Watch our video as this controversial ruling unfolds!
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too bad little too late the land its already contained, i bet if they take samples from the sand that place is so contaminated that there's no way those birds can survive unless they do more than just prohibiting the riding of road vehicles they have to start cleaning.
Here’s the thing. There is almost NEVER unanimous consent in the scientific community. Jen cites reports that say the bird is thriving and that the air pollution ain’t that bad.
Well the Coastal Commission is not made up of a bunch of motorcycle and off road rec haters. They weigh the data they are provided and make a decision.
The overwhelming data says the bird is threatened (and has come back from being endangered) and that there are significant air quality issues.
Yeah, ok, whatever you say... [citation needed]. 😉
The Coastal Commission is full of CRAP!
Also the movie "On Any Sunday" was filmed there. Steve Mcqueen, Mert Lawwill and Malcolm Smith! What is going on with these evil control freaks!
No ATV's, no hunting, no fishing, no camping and on and on, what's the point of saving nature if you can't spend any time out in it?
Well we could if people gad been responsible in the past. Now we're screwed cause the past generations tore the planet apart for money. Now we can't enjoy nature and everything makes us sick. Sucks
Conservation vs preservation. I absolutely agree, needs to be a balance but that balance needs to include actually allowing people to use our wild spaces
Additionally, those fighting to ban it probably don’t even venture out that far anyway.
Makes people sitting in air conditioned offices feel better about themselves.
Camping is allowed on the sidewalks, apparently
Arizona has had many deserts closed down to OHV. Claims were dust, and damage to the desert. Later those same deserts were bulldozed and turned into shopping plazas and neighborhoods. Thanks for making this video! You Rock, I've never been to Pismo, but I hope it stays open. I always feel hopeless on these matters.
Sadly, every off-road trail I travel in Arizona is ridiculously trashed with cheap beer cans, tons of target practice-related garbage, and hazardous waste such as batteries, fluorescent light tubes, and used oil. If an off-road vehicle breaks down, it seems like the protocol is to just leave the chemical-soaked sands and busted vehicle parts too. I pay for several permits annually just to be able to explore my own backyard, but it’s becoming more and more restricted - likely due to all of the trash and abuse from irresponsible off-roading folks. I hate to say it, but if folks were a little less trashy when they went off-roading, then I don’t think the community would have such a problem with locations being shut down. It’s exhausting cleaning up other people’s desert trash, but I always bring and fill up a couple of trash bags just to make myself feel better. Sad to see the condition of our public lands deteriorating so rapidly… these last few years have been noticeably worse and with a few new companies renting OHV vehicles along the I-17, things have especially become trashed all along that highway. 😢
And let's not talk about "ecological" solar plants, where they bulldoze square miles of desert.
@@emilebettez73 - Until the recycling of panels and batteries becomes a part of the “manufacturing process”, I worry about the future of solar. However, I love running everything I can on solar whenever possible! It’s incredible when you consider a single solar panel can quickly recharge your vehicle’s 12V battery! Suddenly, finding a place to store a small jumper panel and/or aux battery bank jumper in your ride and you no longer have to worry about leaving the lights on!l or being stranded! Stay safe folks always stow water bottles throughout your own vehicle!
When in doubt, follow the money trail. Someone's getting rich under the banner of preserving the earth...
Wow . The amount of research done and presenting both sides equally is amazing . This is how true journalism should be .
To add to your comment: Do you remember the original TMNT movie? April O'Neil just wanted to tell the truth of something. This fine journalist has become the new April O'Neil, now the rest of us need to step up and fight the Shredder!
United Nations agenda 2030. Their plan is to have no human life in the western States. Their USA map shows 99.8% of America off limits. How do they get people out? Create a horrible living environment, reduce or encourage people to demand a reduction of law enforcement, allow drugs and homelessness all over, pass laws that restrict freedom, teach children (sustainable development) .
By 2030 you all will be dead or herded into skyscraper apartments and skyscraper factories, no freedom, crap food and no choice. Digital currency will allow this to happen. Everything that is wrong today can be traced back to the united nations agenda.
I was born and raised here. My dad built dune buggies and I have been going to the dunes since I was about 3. I no longer live there, but my family does. As much as I do not like all the traffic and tourists coming to the area, I know that the area needs it to survive. The dunes change with the wind and when it rains. I do agree that those who come to ride or camp should take care of the area, which it seems they do. Compared to the rest of the coast line of Cali, this isn't a lot. What Cali allows in some areas is far more destructive than what is going on at Oceano dunes.
I'm from Grover City not beach. I live in Santa Barbara 100 miles south, I love that beach for over 50 years I've been watching people enjoying the dunes . A major source of fun is riding on them. For people that didn't have a dune buggy there was Bill Lovernes Spider in Oceano. It was a huge Buggy that took whole Families, clubs, whatever Bill would drive them into our Outback. hah. It was one helluva experience we loved growing up there.
Open your eyes. This is way bigger than the dunes. Do your homework and use your brain. The entire coast will be closed down before 2050. Good luck
@@wildbillbegleyjr.3523 I remember Bill Loverne. He was a WWII destroyer crewman who wore an earring. I liked how his tires left his logo in the sand. We still have a vacation place at Grover at North 12th St and the frontage road. I skated every Friday and Saturday night at Old Man Forsee's Pismo roller rink in the 70's because it was cheap. I can still picture Bob and Newell surfing at 3AM by the pier. Grover City had the best tasting water until they got uppity and changed to Grover Beach. It costs me over $100 each water bill even though it's shut off and not a drop gets used until we come back every 6 months or so. Now the water tastes like rotten reeds. I drove our Jeep and our dune buggies at Pismo in the mid 1960's before I could even get a driver's license. I will never sell that place as long as I am alive. Dick Smother's of the Smothers Brothers sold my dad his 1966 Travco motorhome in 1968 and it's still behind our place in Grover. I rode the Salt-N-Pepper shaker in the amusement park in the Pismo Pier parking lot in the 1960's. Some drunk dude puked booze stench all over me on that ride.
The memories came flooding back.
'the dunes need people to survive'? I have news for all of you : When humans finish making Earth inhospitable for people, EARTH STILL won't "need" us at all.
IMO anywhere in the US that can't survive without tourism just shouldn't be settled. Let nature use the land more productively.
I don’t live in California but I really appreciate Revzilla’s true effort to post videos like this. Great work Rev Team!
I live on the other side of the world and I appreciate their efforts.
Same and Agreed!
Doesn't matter if you don't live there, United Nations agenda 2030. Their plan is to have no human life in the western States. Their USA map shows 99.8% of America off limits. How do they get people out? Create a horrible living environment, reduce or encourage people to demand a reduction of law enforcement, allow drugs and homelessness all over, pass laws that restrict freedom, teach children (sustainable development) .
By 2030 you all will be dead or herded into skyscraper apartments and skyscraper factories, no freedom, crap food and no choice. Digital currency will allow this to happen. Everything that is wrong today can be traced back to the united nations agenda.
@@ME-jc7xi oh boy, I hope your bunker is deep to hide
@@beardedwonder8864 no bunker. I don't run. I face evil head on. Rather die standing than live kneeling.
But if that was a joke, all you need to do is visit their website and read . Propaganda is a powerful tool.
The dunes were shut down completely during the pandemic and - surprise! The amount of dust didn’t change at all. It’s a DUNE because the onshore winds blow across the sand to make those hill-like features.
@@andrewpirman The video just showed that there are more plants now than compared to 100 years ago.
correction onshore winds blow sand from waters edge, towards inland forming dunes. Offshore winds blow from inland towards the ocean blowing sand into the water. The amount of dust the vehicles make is nothing compared to the amount of dust a heavy onshore wind produces.
Why are you focusing on dust? There's more issues that are more important than that like pollution and habitat interference.
@@JonCollinsMedia did you watch the video? The main part of pollution that they are worried about is from dust, not vehicle emmisions.
Its the Salton sea drying up causing the dust and bad air quality
Lifelong motocross rider/racer and enthusiast from SoCal. This hits so hard, I’ve ridden there 50 times. I’m California there is nothing more endangered than ride spots. So many places I grew up riding are now housing tracks. Other spots you ride for 10 years than one day the cops decide to show up and you’re getting arrested for trespassing. And than there’s Karen’s
Californicate voted blue. That's what you get.
@@wanaraz Boom! Truth bomb
@@boblatkey7160 Can you ride on Pismo Beach?
@@boblatkey7160 You missed the point. Again!
Bob misses the point alot I'm guessing
Great reporting! Very informative and nicely laid out both sides of the argument. I live 20 minutes form these dunes and it seems that for the most part, the people complaining about the dust are people who moved into this area, not the locals. Shoulda done their research before buying their homes here. Hope the dunes stay open for off-road riders and campers.
Its just a dishonest reason and probably the best the anti dunes could come up with. Some people have said the dust was worse in 2020 when everything as shut down because the dunes riders actually pack the sand making it stay in place better.
I live here too and it's not just the Mesa residents, but the people in Oceano who just don't want the vehicles on "their" beach. I think if an environmental impact report was conducted on their houses, it'd show they are on prime plover nesting ground.
Amen, Michael!
And Karen! This is hipocrisy at its worst!
Hmmm, the locals have complained since white people came in and stole it from them, or what the Chumash peoples vices don’t matter?
The Coastal Commission is a Governor appointed group of environmentalists who are not from the area. As a local who grew up going to the Oceano dunes, it’s been very disappointing seeing the fight to close them.
And yet you keep voting tyranny in.
Coastal commission wants to stop all OHV use so later on they can allow developers to build hundreds of condos and homes in that area.
Only after the right “donation”
Wow what a great story and production! We need more of this for sure! Great work Jen and co.!
Kudos to the Rev production crew and staff, well done piece. It's important to bring these issues to a world wide audience.
Its nice to see such a dynamic when it comes to coverage on Rev. Its not just hooning on motorcycles, but also on the culture of riding and what surrounds it. Good work.
Their plan is to eventually close all the riding areas, one by one…
And then ban the atv. And soon all your rights
Agenda 2030 US map, look it up
Who is "they"? Ever heard of a slippery slope argument?
He said "Their" NOT they
@@hjfcoco Yes, as an indirect subjective quote I have to change "Their" to "They" as it refers to the same subject OP is acknowledging. Asking the question "Who is "their"? makes zero grammatical sense.
Now that we cleared that up, who is [they]? and has OP ever heard of a slippery slope argument?
I live in this area of the central coast. Access to outdoor recreation, and a generally slower pace of life, make it unique area on the California coast. The dunes are one of these holdovers from an earlier time with less red tape and a little more freedom to explore. I expect we will lose this access, but I’ll miss it.
You'll lose it with that lackadaisical attitude.
Stand up and fight or soon you'll have nothing.
United Nations agenda 2030. Their plan is to have no human life in the western States. Their USA map shows 99.8% of America off limits. How do they get people out? Create a horrible living environment, reduce or encourage people to demand a reduction of law enforcement, allow drugs and homelessness all over, pass laws that restrict freedom, teach children (sustainable development) .
By 2030 you all will be dead or herded into skyscraper apartments and skyscraper factories, no freedom, crap food and no choice. Digital currency will allow this to happen. Everything that is wrong today can be traced back to the united nations agenda.
Enviornmentalists always seam to win. They will find some stupid reason to close the area down. Also, off roading is a masculine activity and men are under attack.
@@markflierl1624 only win because we sit silent, silence equals consent. talking about it but doing nothing is silence
They did the same stunt up here in Oregon, they closed huge parts of the dunes down cause of the plovers. But, if you walk through those sections there's still no snowy plovers... it's literally all a play on emotion to sway people who don't even ride into making the decision for everyone. Also, the dunes are ALWAYS changing on their own. AND European beach grass is an invasive plant; BTW.
Yeah Oregon is becoming California 2.0. Vote the Dems out today if you want a chance of getting your state back.
United Nations agenda 2030. Their plan is to have no human life in the western States. Their USA map shows 99.8% of America off limits. How do they get people out? Create a horrible living environment, reduce or encourage people to demand a reduction of law enforcement, allow drugs and homelessness all over, pass laws that restrict freedom, teach children (sustainable development) .
By 2030 you all will be dead or herded into skyscraper apartments and skyscraper factories, no freedom, crap food and no choice. Digital currency will allow this to happen. Everything that is wrong today can be traced back to the united nations agenda.
based
@@mediocreman2 moved from Hawaii to Oregon a few years ago and shocked to find Oregon is more woke/leftist than Hawaii in some things
Snowy plover has the ENTIRE west coast as habitat. And we can't have even 5 miles. Never ending tyranny.
It's sad but people love nothing more than to tell other people what they can't do.
Yup they fence off miles of "our" beach at Morro Bay for much of the year. "Snowy plover". And they have little nazi state workers that "we" pay hiding within to tell you what you can and cannot do
You're both 100% correct.
They banned sand castle building and dogs for slowly plover over a decade ago. No Fun Zone
Yep, leave it to the clowns in LA t shut down the beach to make up for their other pollution. They did the same thing up here but for caribou. We had over 20,000 sqmi shut down to any motor vehicle. All for maybe 50 caribous
There’s always an alternative reason. They’ll wait 5 years and sell the land rights for house construction worth billions. Gits. Great vid Jen 👍
I suspect it as well.
I can tell you as a local who knows the geography, that will never happen.
You are probably correct. I suspect they closed it for, like you said, nefarious reasons. I wonder which clown on the CA coastal commission has a spouse/relative or is on a land development board someplace drooling over getting their hands on the land to build condo's/hotels or some other crap.
@@buckdashe2571 What humans have never flattened a dune before and built right on the ocean?? If it's not to give it 5 years come back and say look at all this wasted land we should build mansions on it's to do with property value surrounding the area. I don't believe for one second that isn't exactly what this is about. If it was about saving wildlife and combating climate change, there would be stipulations for electric bikes, color me surprised when it's not even mentioned... Jen specifically highlights that the birds are doing better than anywhere else, and an actual agency whos responsibility is geography did their own study and found that there are many other factors that come into play that effect the dunes.
@@shortadventuerer7738 have you visited? What was your impression of the place?
This was really well produced, edited and presented.
California lawmakers are doing such a good job managing the state this is going to be another great achievement just like opening the border and turning Los Angeles into Tijuana...I'm so impressed with the job there doing.. I've already bought a sombrero and I got a job at taco bell to fit in... now I'm going to sell my cr500
😂
The job is too much. They don't want to work. That's why LA is la. Go steal a box and a shopping cart and throw shit at traffic while screaming about bowling shoes and bedpans and Ronald Reagan if you want to fit in.
Another sad story of a very small number of people on a power trip & changing everyone’s way of life.
The left has destroyed our freedom.
In Livermore California they used green sticker money to "expand" Carnegie off road area. Then claimed it needed to be A "protected area" and closed it down. (It was a old coal/brick mine area, worthless open area).
They weren't making any money once they raised the fees and imposed all the stupid rules!.imagine that!
They closed Carnegie that place was cool sad
They didn’t close Carnegie, but stopped them from expanding. Honestly it’s not THAT cool imo, because there isn’t much wildlife and nature…. Which is why it is so silly they blocked the expansion! It’s just boring grassland and maybe a lizard or too, with no residential areas to bother. You go there and immediately thing “yeah they could easily expand without disturbing the area much”
Yo I’m in Livermore too!
Thank you for posting this video.
Excellent job Jen! The Coastal Commission ought to be dissolved. There’s way too much on their plate to actually properly research and make pragmatic decisions. Ask any homeowner, developer, or contractor trying to get things approved within their jurisdiction, it takes a minimum of a year. Too much power centralized in a small group. It’s like a nightmare HOA board in charge of all of CA coastal areas, ridiculous. I hope the lawsuits prevail!
rich old ladies in cali hate to see people have fun. its sad for everyone.
This is it! The No Fun Club of Karen’s
NIMBYism (not in my backyard)
Excellent video and thank you for putting it together!
This is a perfect example of private enterprise creating an area of leisure activity and communal gathering while also improving the environment for an endangered species versus the government pretty much ruining every single thing it touches.
The "both agencies declined to provide a comment for this story" says a lot about the people making the decisions. It's the "do as we say and shut up about it" style of governing.
Scumbags. You get what you vote for though.
Especially in last three years.
Well researched and good evaluation of the issues. This must of taken a whole lot of time. Thank you. for doing this.
Thanks for the info! I live in San Diego and think Off Roading and OHV parks need to remain. We lost several areas on the border due to re-development and housing tracts. Please keep us updated and I will try to help anyway I can and get the word out!
That's a shame, The same thing is happening in Australia with our riding areas.
No matter were you are recreational vehicles are under attack
nobody cares 😂
Commies hate when the people have fun and freedom.
@@konanoobiemaster Yet you do enough to comment.
@@konanoobiemaster Speak for yourself.
so dramatic
It's a never ending battle. Over this side of the pond, it's the same story.
I live here in oceano and work out in the dunes doing rentals. I heard that they're wanting to buy a beachfront property to build hotels. That's the main reason.. the rich people line their pockets with more money
In a place like no other in California, they want to make it just like all the others.
Well, what you heard is B.S. Those rumors have circulated for YEARS! I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 26 YEARS AND RODE THOSE DUNES FOR OVER 10 YEARS. l only stopped riding out there because of safety issues with inexperienced riders. There's no way they could sell any of that property for development. That environment is not conducive for any construction as the topography is always changing due to the prevailing winds. Anyone who tells you otherwise is uninformed.
@@stillnotwoke I sure hope so.
@@elcucuy9349 Bet on it. I know what I'm talking about, unlike others. 😉
Thank you for this video!
I lived in Grover Beach (directly behind the dunes) there is no air quality problem that’s BS
SLO has incredible air quality these coastal commission nazis are full of shit
It all blows to Nipomo. My driveway is always covered in sand.
Great presentation format, great research, great presentation from presenter. Please keep this format of video!
This video is amazing, the production value, the objective view, the holistic business approach from RevZilla. Apposing and understanding view points is important, don't destroy the earth and don't let bureaucrats run it.
As a native Californian for many, many, decades I am surprised it has remained open this long. Used to ride our dirt bikes next to PCH, racing around the oil rigs. And ride and 4 wheel at Lake Elsinore and the desert. And ride in pie plate races in the desert. A pile of tires would be set a blaze several miles out and its a full on balls out race to the smoke. lol (yeah, not burning tires is good idea) California used to be literally amazing and the best place on the planet. Currently live in the foothills of the Sierras and some good dirt roads still abound for riding. For now...
The days of having fun are over
This is happening to OHV and Jeeps trails everywhere. Blue Ribbon Coalition has been fighting an almost unending battle against closures.
This reporting was fantastic journalism! I hope this will garner more attention to this issue.
You’re doing good work Revzilla. Keep producing videos like this to keep us informed no matter the state we live in
Amazing work shedding light on this issue!
It's not about the environment it's about control. Always has been. Look at the entire coast riddled with expensive houses and people's trash, but the last dunes on the water are the problem?
This was an incredible video and story! Would love to see more content like this from the Revzilla team. Excellent job of telling both sides and the truth of the matter. As a rider in MT I always want to be a steward or the land and not see the ohv community be stereotyped as a destructive group. It starts with us riders to protect these areas for future use. Bravo Jen and Revzilla!
Very well put. Thank you!
Very well done! Its sad that people want to close down the small area that allows families to pass on camping and riding on the beach in CA. Doesn't surprise me at all. We raised our kids riding there with several trips a year but now that they are older we choose to go elsewhere.
The bureaucracy and duality of California never ceases to amaze me. It’s just easy to see how environmentalism is so extreme in California, because the state also allows so much extreme environmentally negligent behavior. Like cities in desert regions steeling water from other states and countries so their lawns are green, to just going full throttle off road. It’s the state of mixed messages, bureaucracies, and contradictions.
100% incorrect.
But keep believing that.
@@bannedbrothers What about Lake Tulare? That's an outstanding achievement of California environmentalism.
Well done video thanks
Some heavy viewing tonight. Thanks Jen.
I've never ridden on anything like that, but I would certainly give it a try.
Meanwhile in California our navy seals training beach is next to toxic waste being dumped in the ocean. But the dust and them loud motor bikes………
Well researched and presented video. Would love to see more reporting videos like this. Great job Jen!
I wholeheartedly agree and was pleasantly surprised by the unbiased scope of her reporting.
Thank you for this video....!!
Thanks for posting this, when is the next trial?
But don't people poop on the streets there ? That's bad for the environment too
What... The scolds in California are spoiling everyone's fun... Who would have thought it.
as someone who cares about both nature and offroading and has been to the dunes many times I really appreciate you taking your time to cover this
Excellent editing team you guys have.
In Morro Bay huge snowy plover population and the City wants to build the World's Largest Battery Energy Storage System of Lithium Batteries on the ocean. Where are the environmentalists on that one and California Coastal Commission🤔
Having seen how fellow riders treat off road areas here in MI, it’s probably coming here as well. Have to enjoy them as much as possible before that happens.
Great work RevZilla
Damn...thank you for the video!
I have lived on the central coast for 31 years now,much of that on the Nipomo Mesa and as always when a beautiful undeveloped area becomes discovered development happens and that’s exactly the case here. Builders from outside of the area saw $$$$ signs , this caused two things to happen,the removal of 1000s of wind breaking eucalyptus trees then the building of well over a thousand million $ homes directly down wind of the Oceano dunes, mostly purchased by people from Orange County and the Bay Area ( they were sold a false Utopia ) after actually living here reality set in ( there’s wind and not a lot of the creature comforts they were used to). A perfect storm for what’s happening now with the dunes. I miss the central coast of 30 years ago but I understand, My wife and I are transplants ourselves but we didn’t want to change our new environment that’s why we left our old one. I don’t miss Calabasas at all.
As someone who lived in California and now lives in Utah. It is incredibly sad to see these types of places eradicated only to be replaced decades later with housing, hotels, businesses, etc. You don't have to look much farther then Monterey/Marina or St. George/Moab to see how little these people really care about saving the environment.
Monterey is a perfect example
Communist
People like to blame environmentalists, but it’s really the capitalist developers at the helm here.
Living in Texas is far worse, 96% of the land is privately owned vs 48% (CA) and 25% (UT)
Yuuup
Remember when feinstein shutdown access because of the desert tortoises yrs ago but when a new mall was to be built she had no issues protecting the tortoise! That was awesome! People want just no fun for anyone.
Where are all the orv manufacturers? They let us down all thru the years they need to step up and represent or purchase areas to be used.
Dang this is Vox quality work. Great stuff Revzilla.
It's surprising that off-roading there has lasted this long. In most California state parks, you aren't allowed to walk a small dog because it could cause stress to the wildlife or pollution if its waste isn't picked up.
That's pretty rich coming from the state that can't keep shit, piss, needles and drugged up homeless off the streets but they magically seem to go to such lengths in the parks.
@@garrydhintz8017 It's almost as if parks and cities are different places run by different people.
Grew up on the central coast and the dunes are a vital part of what makes the central coast the amazing place it is. The commission has already shut down hundreds/thousands of acres of riding here and they still aren’t satisfied. We don’t have many places to ride in general and losing this area would be devastating for the community that thrives on this spot.
Flipped my buggy here, broke my arm! Camped here, got blasted by welting onshore sand! Surfed here, got stung! Camped here, got stuck in the sand! Every adventure here, saw hundreds of the "endangered" birds! 100% of the times here, everyone has helped me out! Great town, Great people, Great times!!
VERY well-presented take on the situation. Thank you for such a reasoned explanation of the debates. Kudos!
Enough is enough !!!!
Support The Friend's of Oceano Dunes.
Keep the one last right of camping/riding on the beach.
What a beautiful way to spend time with family and friends.
And the local businesses trive with the extra patrons.
Stop going STUPID people. PLEASE
Agreed.
Well researched and presented!
I have very fond memories of the Pismo dunes- when our kids were small we would drive around with the family SUV with the tailgate open. The kids still remember that.
It is one of those things that seems almost too good to be legal. Like motorcycles :-)
Thank you for all you do.
This is an amazingly well done video!
As an environmentalist, I think this is stupid. A certain caliber of miserable twits just really hate off road vehicles and others having fun in general. If you don't fit in their neat little box of bubble wrapped feelings and predictability, then look out. Any excuse to shut you down. I think most of us have crossed paths with these people a few times in our lives, especially while out for a ride. "You shouldn't do this or that!" - no, Karen. You should be quiet and mind your business before you end up with a mouthful of dirt, cause I'm gonna throw it whether you like it or not.
That's exactly how this feels.
You’re 100% right.
This is about the rich local Karen’s.
And the council is for them.
This isn’t about the bird or the sand, it’s about Karen seeing or hearing big bad OHV vehicles.
I call these people the “No Fun Club”
They want to shut it to eventually build real-estate. That's the first thing that crosses my mind.
It wouldn't cross your mind if you understood the situation. The area will remain a state park in perpetuity, just not one in which you can destroy the landscape with motor vehicles. There are a number of other state parks in CA where off road vehicle use will continue. I would anticipate that in the future ICE vehicles may be banned from such areas.
CA keeps our parks and land protected... it's incredible how much there is to do here. As I literally sit under a redwood tree right now 🙏
Hi great channel very nice filmed ;)
well researched and great presentation of the story Jen 🤙🏽seems like the Park has gone above and beyond to successfully address the primary concerns for closing the dunes to off-road vehicles. the Coastal Commission ignoring data from the California Geological Survey is very close-minded. I've been going to Pismo Beach for years, and off-roading on the coastal dunes is truly a unique experience.
The 4th of July at Pismo was always awesome. 750,000 people flooded into town.
The CCC is famously, hilariously corrupt. The organization makes sense in principle (protecting the coast is good!), but in practice it is a caricature of government mismanagement. An acquaintance of mine had to work with them to renovate an old dock in Newport Beach. Approvals must go through the CCC. They sent a long list of expensive, non-negotiable requirements for the new structure, for the 'community'. At the same time the CCC offered to waive all the requirements if they received a check for $500,000 instead. It was never about the community, it was about the money. The project got canceled, and everyone loses. That's the CCC in action.
ETA: I do not take the side of the developers much, and I don't care about the off road vehicles, but the CCC is a joke. There is a middle ground here that would work for more people, but you cannot expect the buffoons at the CCC to figure it out.
Welcome to Germany
oh wait...
Sorry about that. Over here I really have to leave my country to be allowed to have some off pavement fun.
Really sucks. And our neighbours are also starting to put up more and more restrictions.
Why do Germans keep voting for it?
@@ProdicalMan cause the majority of our population simply hates motorcycles and fun in general.
So there is no way for us few riders to have any kind of political influence
And that's terrible. I would love to be able to explore all the southern alps on bikes or a truck. Environmental extremist assholes are ruining our planet faster than anyone else.
this is amazing reporting, great work!
This all started because of the building of new communities down wind and they started to complain about the dust. If the state park is a designated off highway vehicle park the costal commission should have no say on how the park is run. You also forgot to mention that a huge amount of the dunes have already been shutdown to vehicles and the park limited to 1,000 vehicles per day. It's already been shown that they are using faulty data to try to justify shutting down the only off highway costal area in all of California.
Born and raised in San Luis Obispo County. Love riding and love the dunes. However, the reasons stated in this video for attempting to shut down the dunes although technically true, is just smoke and mirrors compared to the real reasons. It goes much deeper than this.
I'm curious, what are the deeper issues? The arguments presented in the video are the only ones I've heard about.
So many people have died and have been seriously injured on atvs.
@@andrewpirman shut down public roads and ban cars then.
@@armadilllo why are you taking it to the other extreme. That does not help anyone. And I’m not saying, closing the dunes is the answer. All I’m saying is there are a lot of bad accidents.
@@andrewpirman why are you interjecting atv deaths? That isn't helping anyone, we know the risks. My grandfather died falling over in his kitchen.
If they can close the dunes for the reason of maintaining natural habitat, they can essentially do the same for all offroad locations. So if a community elsewhere decides that offroading does not fit in with their community, they can then use this case as precedent for their own.
There are a numerous of off road recreational areas in CA that are both state owned and privately owned and which will remain available for persons wishing to destroy the landscape with their motor vehicles.
@@avsystem3142 how do you know they’ll remain open if this one won’t? Aren’t our cars also destroying the natural landscape by requiring roads to be built? How about walking on the beach, couldn’t that disturb the surface? How far can they take this…
@@alexp6409 Your comment is classic reductio ad absurdum.
@@avsystem3142 did you watch this video? What do you think of the evidence presented by the California Department of Conservation that there is more vegetation now than there was in the 1930's? One would think this leads to the idea that it's more about good stewardship, not removing OHV activity. OHV entrance fees to these parks pays for land management activities. Are you going to start paying instead if OHV activity is banned?
Good video Jen! Hope people listen before it is too late
Great video. How about vehicle manufacturers, jumping on board with the fight? Or is it real estate developers behind the closing??
I really like your final thoughts. Be respectful of the places we love to travel.
As a former Californian, I'll let you know that the "environment" has been the excuse to turn many, many open lands into places of complete State control and sometimes they go back into private hands for development.
I live on socal by johnson valley. As an avid hunter and off road enthusiast i'll take all the public lands i can get. There is also too many shitbags leavin trash graffiti and destroying habitat unnecesarily. That being said, i believe you are right. Pismo will be shut down for the sole purpose of beach front property.
@@funshine3571 Law abiding citizens shouldn't suffer for the mistakes of lawbreakers. The policing should be on the beach, fining fools who litter, and using their local revenue to supply garbage service to the area.
So cool to see coverage of an issue so local, very well put together as well.
How well will an AWD Durango stock height on street tires do in Pismo? I’m from Fresno and still haven’t been.
I've grown up going to these dunes 3-4 times a year. This is some of the best coverage of the subject that I've seen. I just worry that the closing of Oceano will set a dangerous precedent for other riding areas in California. Thank you for the video and raising awareness.
I used to go riding in Avery California before they built housing next to it and then closed the area. I remember some smart ass told me to "take care of our forest". ( I always came back from a ride with cigarette butts and crushed water bottles in my pocket from the hikers). As my wife said " the environmental movement is killing the environment".
This is a wonderfully researched video and super valid assessments, but as a local born and raised in Oceano, the large tourist crowds camping on the dunes are really what’s killing it. It gets rowdy, alcohol-fueled, and a lot of people who visit don’t care about the dunes or town outside of their use of it. Limiting beach camping but not ohv use would help, bc many like myself are tired of using our days off to help clean up the beaches after busy RV weekends but still wanna take that drive down the beach too…
Yep this is the piece of the puzzle people don't seem to get. It's not the off road part that people don't like. It's how those people act that people don't like.
I've been to Pismo Beach and I rented ATVs with my gf at the time and it was probably the most fun thing I've ever done. It would be a shame if people could no longer do that for obscure bureaucratic reasons. I suspect it boils down to a few rich residents complaining about the noise.
My parents already tell me there's not much to do as far as fun anymore. Now I'll have to tell my kids there's nothing to do for fun anymore.
What isn’t coming to an end in California. That place is an uncontrolled spiral of government overreach and a modern example of the pitfalls of unfettered greed. Thank you for the video I love you guys.
Wow, really well done. Great job Jen and team.
Please keep us updated
This was well put together Jen and team. I learned something new today. Thanks for supporting this cause.