Kimblee is criminally underrated, I think he is a very well-written villain, I really love that he sticks with his ideals and respect others who also do this.
I’m so torn on his final appearance in Brotherhood - where he arises out of the sea of tortured souls consumed by father’s giant transmutation circle to thwart Pride’s attempt to steal Ed’s body - Part of me feels like it’s absolutely preposterous and corny as fuck, and sometimes I feel like it’s totally genius and badass lol idk
Well he’s underrated for a reason, he wouldn’t work if people realized how important he is, the whole point of Kimbley is he only exists in the story to point out the flaws in other characters ideologies, this works because despite being the most genuinely amoral and evil character in the series, he’s completely sane and sees things more clearly than anyone else
I mean it’s held at such a pedestal and if you check peoples favourite anime internationally (TheAnimeMan video) you can see it’s most people’s number 1. I don’t think you need more people talking about it
Fullmetal alchemist is like the Citizen Kane of anime/manga series. Many consider it the greatest, others don’t care about it at all, it’s been talked about to death, and calling it your favorite makes you look basic.
“I think the only thing I was missing was those last 15 to 20 episodes left of the story.” 100 % agreed. It’s some of the darkest storytelling I’ve seen in any medium at all. Something about the last third or so of FMA 2003 gave me an existential dread and haunting hollowness I still can’t quite explain. Which is why it’s one of my favorite anime.
Yeah it’s the gate in 2003. It’s so ominous and like a force of nature. It’s almost lovecraftian. Always gave me the creeps and I think that’s something I found undermined by the character of truth, it makes the gate seem less unforgiving and instead something that can be reasoned with, something less mysterious and more benign. (Though the character of truth also brought a lot to the show in other ways so it isn’t exactly like one way is inherently better just each play to different strengths)
Yeah. I loved the way they introduced and developed characters. They took their time to slowly make us fall in love with every character they later killed in a cold way. They took their time to develop every important character. They made us understand villains. I loved every character, they all had depth to them. 2003 was very dark and very unforgiving and an absolute masterpiece. I can't pinpoint what exactly made me feel this hollowness as you did, but I feel like it were the characters and how unforgiving and indifferent the world was to every one of them. There were no winners, there was no happy ending, only cold and unforgiving consequences of everyones' actions. FMAB feels very rushed compared to 2003, but I think it is only because 2003 made sure to take time and concentrate on characters.
Fmab is a perfect story that does what alot of shows can't do it's truly a masterpiece amazing characters, great story, fantastic world,great antagonist, and one of the most enjoyable main character's in Edward this remains a top 5 anime for me
I’m not a big fan of shounen but Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is one of those anime that is hard to hate. I’ve watched the anime twice and both times it was hard to stop watching. It’s so good and every character is important to the story in some way. No one is forgotten and everything ties in together. This is a masterpiece for sure
@@justtheguywiththewavecheck6244 honestly, its very watered down in the 2011. Im pretty sure the chimera ant arc would've been dark af cause yorknew had kurapika looking a lot cruler than the phantom troupe
Ive been a fan of the fma franchise since like 2004 . I absolutely love seeing how popular the series has remained and how it’s perceived by the new generation of anime kids .
The Fullmetal alchemist franchise is definitely a series that I feel needs to be mentioned more as being one of the most influential franchises of the 2000s . like after the initial dragon ball run and (before naruto came to the west ). I feel shows like inuyahsa , cowboy bebop fma ect was holding it down in those early days when it came to introducing anime to a mature demographic . It taught me anime was more than big explosions and power ups.
@@amuroray9115 it's still number 1 on my animelist after 12 years and even before brotherhood came out the original version and manga were really popular in my country, as popular as naruto, beyblade and yu gi oh, which were huge in the early 2000s.
I feel like in most Shonen, the protagonist's main motive is to get stronger. Here we are introduced to a character who is already strong, but is trying to rectify the mistakes he childishly made when first coming to terms with his strength. It's more about connections with people and politics which I feel can get lost on a lot of people who come wanting only action.
Fullmetal is a shounen that impossible to replicate. It is a world, philosophy, and concept that is seinen executed shounen. I don't think anyone in this thread can note a shounen anime that has topics and ideas that are as deep and emotional as FMAB's.
@@mikemath9508 true. Honestly the MANGA is the ‘original’. Because it was started first, then FMA 03, then Brotherhood. But if we’re talking about just the anime adaptations, FMA 03 IS considered the ‘original’ since it was the first to be made and aired. Fmab is based off the original content of the manga…but it still came out second after the other anime, and still is missing quite a lot of story from the manga. Most people who grew up with anime-only call FMA 03 the original since it’s the first of any FMA story they would’ve seen long before the newer version. U can nitpick and insist all u want about what should be called the original anime..:P but FMA will likely always be referred to by the anime community as the original, since the new one goes by Fullmetal Alchemist BROTHERHOOD, and not just original old: “Fullmetal Alchemist” like the first show. It is what it is. And the mangaka did like fma 03 a lot, to the point where she made several koma theatre comics based on the FMA 03 universe and designed many of the anime-only characters, and also was a part of the writing and character process for a lot of it and was closely referenced for direction of the new story, before she gave them full permission to go with whatever they felt fit.
This Anime Is Must Watch !! Amazing story with complete 64 episode where everything is on it's place, no fillers, nothing unnecessary Is added by creators. It has Thrill, Comedy, Hearthtouching moments, Great Protagonists, Great Antagonists. Only sad thing watching it is that you can't watch it for the first time again
I think going into FMA expected a shonen story is setting yourself up for disappointment. It is an action series with a magic power system, but it eschews so many of the tropes of the genre that calling it shonen really isn’t the best way to sell it.
I agree. I find it surprising that this show was intended for teenage boys when it's actually better suited for adults of both genders. It's great for both action and drama fans.
@@nickpastorino5370 hi I just started the show and was wondering if it gets better as it goes along? The comedy in these first few episodes are really off putting and mess up perfectly good, emotional moments so far imo.
Can’t count how many times I’ve rewatched FMA and FMAB. It truly is a masterpiece in terms of storytelling, characters, and ending. It’s my top 1 anime so I’m biased lol
the pacing of fma is near perfect imo, i feel like standard shounen pacing is what makes this feel so wierd because theres not 30 filler episodes as soon as we show up to a new location. Every episode is actually meaningful and moves the story along at such a brisk pace
@@ThePreciseClimber What about it? I think Demon Slayer is okay but not at the level of FMAB despite the lack of long-drawn out arcs in both. Tanjurou is a common goody-two shoed protagonist who was thrust to another world due to coincidence. And we have a clear delineation that demons are bad though they may have been regretful in the end. The Elrics were a tad more interesting imo in that they did something forbidden and it was their choice that got them to their path. They dont necessarily align with good people as they align with the military who have done questionable things. In Demon Slayer we know who the big bad is at the start while with FMA we do not. In DS we have arcs of Tanjurou constantly getting power ups to potentially defeat Muzan in FMA, we still do a bit, but the power more or less stays the same and it's a matter of who does things smarter.
If you dropped the "first" series because you thought they were the same, but better, here is some info: The first series is the same up until they ran out of manga to adapt, and take a COMPLETELY different turn, and is an original story after that, totally different. Brotherhood started when the manga was about to finish, hence it fully follows the manga story and characters.
@@karlaegley8210 Yes, but if it actually ended well. I’m a FMAB fanboy at heart, but FMA is still an amazing series that blows many other anime out of the water.
@@hookedonafeeling9232 this is blatant misinformation. The Hiromu Arakawa outright requested before preproduction that they make an original story with the manga as a foundation feeling it would be more interesting to have different versions of the story. She pretty extensively collaborated with Sho Aikawa and the writing team, gave suggestions for the direction the story would go, and consulted the team on a number of decisions, beyond that she gave her approval on every episode. Additionally she has gone out on numerous occasions stating that she absolutely loved what was done with the 2003 version and was especially intrigued by their take on the homunculi. You can dislike 03 but don’t lie about it or the author in a dumb way of slandering it, Sho Aikawa’s work, and Arakawa’s contributions to the series.
Nope worse in every way more boring characters worse action and humour people say it’s better cuz it’s more serious but it comes off as edgy 13 year old seriousness. Plus second half has so many plot holes while brotherhood has barely any
I recently finished FMA and FMaB so I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion or not but other than Bradley who I thought was written better in FMAB, the concept of homunculus was handled better in the original FMA to me. Especially the twist with Envy and the character of Lust. Really enjoyed those two.
SPOILERS: The thing about FmaB Lust was, she was the ''control group'' for homunculus. She was the most basic idea of a homunculus and everyone else separeted from her, having different powers or ways to look at life etc. It is an interesting approach a character even if Fma03 Lust is highly likely a better written character in a bubble. You can also say 03 Lust does similar feat with a sympathic view towards homunculi in general. but idk, didn't think that far TL:DR , Lust burned so homunculi can run.
I don't think it's an unpopular opinion. I've seen multiple people express that and I agree. I liked Greed more in Brotherhood and obviously Bradley had more development like you said. However, I think it makes more sense for Bradley to be Pride and Wrath to be a child so it's one of the reasons I prefer 03
@@Ash_Wen-li what concept do you prefer i myself prefer the homunculus concept in 2003 because it gives them more depth (not all homunculus because i think that there are some that are done better in brotherhood)
@@justtheguywiththewavecheck6244 Yeah I prefer that. It gives them more character and goes well with the themes of the story. They can all have their own unique motivations too and can act more freely Of course Greed and Bradly are better done in FMAB for example
Fma and fmab did everything I want from any series, I rewatch both regularly I think that it’s still great that there are parts of the fma world that haven’t been explored yet, because unlike most shonen Ed and al aren’t op main characters that influence the entire universe (which they kinda do), I mean they don’t really interfere other countries that weren’t involved to begin with, just like real world
Wait so did you never complete 2003? Also based off just the overlapping material I don’t see how you can conclude that brotherhood does it better, I get how you can definitely find that brotherhood is overall better because the way it goes after diverging and getting better animated more bombastic scenes. The 2003 version really does a much better job at presenting the earlier material. Also you should go and watch all of 2003 as it is a completely different series that diverges greatly. (It’s a lot less shonen than brotherhood, so if you went into brotherhood and expected something closer to shonen just know that 2003 is significantly further from shonen than even brotherhood)
I don't really mind it tbh. But going off what I said myself 20/30 episodes for a series like FMA isn't enough lol. But I also don't like how the ending is original to the manga. For the most part I'm not usually a fan of that. But who knows maybe I'd enjoy it more.
@@animeaugie definitely check it out while it’s controversial it is still considered to be the best anime original ending (though that’s somewhat of a low bar.) just don’t go in expecting it to be like brotherhood and it will be fine
@@animeaugie Its actually better than Brotherhood though. I never understood people's enfactuation with "it follows the manga". Only cuz it follows the manga doesnt mean its better srory-telling, world building, or character developing. Brotherhood has a LOT of issue. Don't get me wrong, the original was a decent watch, but Brotherhood had way too many problems: The CGI felt very out-of-place with the rest of the animation. The introduction is very rushed: we get to know very little of who the Elric brothers are and what they’re like as people before the main action starts. Most people seem to think this is an advantage; I certainly do not. Similarly, emotional moments are somewhat more rushed and far less poignant than they should’ve been, and sometimes follow less of a build-up. The moral code given was: very monotonous-the message that ‘killing humans is wrong’ is repeated over and over, and it somehow always having long-term good effects even when taken to its (il)logical extreme (e.g. sparing Kimblee and even Envy) made it predictable and far too much for my suspension of disbelief; and somewhat puzzling-being a vegan at the time, I found it hypocritical that they’d spare even the worst of the worst of humanity, applying the most liberal interpretation for the term, just for being ‘human’, while eating the flesh of dead animals without batting an eye. The characters felt much more one-dimensional, and because of the moral code the series keeps repeating their choices were very predictable almost all the time. The writer was clearly clueless about what war is really like. Living in a country that’s been pacifist for decades apparently gave her very mistaken ideas about how people, both in the military and civilians, think of wars they’re involved in. This irked me but I could laugh it off the way one would a virgin fangirl’s clueless yaoi fanfic, but what I couldn’t was: The writer seemed to be completely unaware of her privilege and her country’s responsibility for the atrocities it committed. Her idea of solving a political conflict seemed to boil down to ‘everyone putting down their weapons and grinding their teeth a little before coming together to sing “Kumbaya”’. Her presenting Ishvalan violent retribution against military personnel as somehow being on par with Amestrian violence sickening, as if she were implicitly telling the people of Nanjing, the Koreans, and the Ainu, ‘Ah-ah-ah, remember: violence is wrong!’ when she should be saying, ‘We were horrible to you, we’re so sorry, we have to compensate you, please forgive us.’ Finally, Ed’s and Winry’s relationship was cliché and obnoxious. Oh, and the omake is pretty blatantly homophobic. Fuck that. Compare and contrast the original series, where: The animation is not as advanced but it is more consistent: you don’t have, say, CGI doors opening in a more crudely animated scenario and breaking the immersion illusion. It takes a few episodes worth of mostly standalone stories before the main plot is introduced, so we get to see what Edward is like as a person before the really heavy stuff kicks in. We get a chance to relate first without the really dark stuff alienating the viewers. This could easily be a weak point, to some extent, but these episodes become very relevant later on so they don’t become pure filler. The moral code given is a much murkier one, especially since that’s not what the series is about. There are far more shades of grey, and the limits of what counts or doesn’t count as human are more intensely debated (and empathy towards animals is emphasized a bit more, when Ed tells Wrath to spare a rat he catches). As a result the characters are much less predictable or one-dimensional; special mention goes to Ed, Roy, Scar, and Hohenheim. The true horrors of war are represented much more realistically. The whole dynamic between Amestris and the Ishvalans is elaborated on some more and the conflict makes internal sense, so it feels like much more real than ‘war broke out because one arsehole decided to fuck everything up’. The army is also presented as being horrific enough to actually make some dents in Ed’s belief system and make it look like absolution isn’t as simplistic as Arakawa made it out to be. As a matter of fact, the series handled very different themes. Rather than the simplistic moral code and the ridiculous, downright offensive idea of conflict resolution Brotherhood focused on, the first adaptation focused on the concept of making mistakes, atonement, and living on with the burden of the consequences of the irreversible. It was a very powerful exploration of these themes and I was deeply moved by it (and the truly emotional scenes) to the point of uncontrollable sobbing. The original does have its flaws, e.g. Al being too flat a character (fortunately events and characters around him and his relationship with Ed are engaging enough to make up for it), the ending kinda drags on, and some would-be poignant moments undermined by misplaced comedy (e.g. ‘Douglas is… an alien’). Both films were decent, and the OVAs were too (Brotherhood’s were better than the main anime). Still, I think it’s leaps and bounds ahead of Brotherhood.
I disagree about 03's presentation of the earlier material. I actually found the first 13 or so episodes of 2003 to be agonizingly slow/bloated (keep in mind that two of them--4 and 10--are godawful filler episodes that add very little to the overall plot), especially in comparison to Brotherhood. Sure, BH moves fast in the beginning, but even as a first time viewer with little to no knowledge of the fma series, I still found it relatively engaging and easy to follow. 2003, on the other hand, spent way too much time on innocuous and unnecessary junk (did we really need an entire episode devoted to a side character like Barry? Did we really need an episode devoted to Ed and Roy duking it out in a tournament?). Some people might've found those episodes neat, but personally I was just bored lol
@@redherring5287 I do agree with you that the first few episodes of fma 2003 were a bit slow and two were filler, but they are still very well made and lets us(the viewers) better understand Ed and Alfonse as characters; their decision making we saw in the filler. If you're into fast paced, mainly action based anime, then yeah- FMA 2003 is not for you. I am not saying evreryone has to like it more than FMA B, but Im not going to stand here and act like fmab has better story-telling, character-building, world-building, and moral nuance then the original(FMA 2003).
I personally prefer the manga and the 2003 anime but nit brotherhood. Because I felt that that brotherhood was just the manga with weird character design (inferior) , weird musical choice , rushed beginning , and lack of characterisation . While the 2003 anime took the concept of the manga and made it its own. So I can have 2 stories to enjoy instead of the same but in animation. And brotherhood simplified a lot of things that made the characters very ambiguous especially during the ishvalian massacre and made the conflict a little seems like black vs white , obviously good vs obviously evil.
I haven't read the manga, but I preferred 03 over Brotherhood. There's just a lot of things about Brotherhood that I didn't like, and a lot of things I think the original did better
this is my favourite anime. not naruto, which I love, not berserk, which I love, this one. because I like philosophy, mythology, magic and swords. and the more you know about philosophy, religion and myths the more details you find here. also it's dark without needing extreme Gore. it touches deep themes in an elegant way. if it's not your cup of tea you do you. but for me, man! it's part of my life
I'm glad that you gave it a second chance! Fmab is one of my favorite shows of all time, and I'm always happy to see it get the recognition it deserves. I have a semi-complicated relationship with the original series, but I believe it's still worth a watch (Lust and Scar were easily the best things about that show, and if I ever decide to revisit the 2003 series, it'll be to see them again lmao). I also know a lot of people think the origin of the homonculi is better in 03, but I'm not sure I agree. If you think about it for more than one second, it seems kind of...odd? Why are there only seven of them? Why are they all named after a sin, despite some of them not really displaying that particular trait (like, sloth doesn't seem very slothful to me)? In mangahood, the names and number of homonculi make sense because they're the *literal* personifications of Greed, Lust, Pride, etc., but in 2003 they're not extracted sins, they're failed transmutations...so why are they like that lol. what is the reason
Meh, I still think I find the 03 homunculi more interesting overall. And tbh the mangaka also admitted that she likes their stories better as well. It just takes a little more thinking to see the idea behind some of them. Sloth is slothful, but just not in the usual, literal, physical sense. More of a mental laziness. Sloth shows that she’s slothful by the way she confronts-or lack of-her past and connection to her sons. She doesn’t want to be bothered with thinking about what her memories imply of who she is. It’s too much of a burden, so she pushes it to the side and wants to live a carefree life as a homunculi and not have to worry about the heavy feelings she feels when around the Elric brothers. Instead of face who she truly was, she’d rather just kill her past all together so she doesn’t have to be bothered by those complicated feelings and questions anymore. It’s difficult to face, and a complex issue, so she finds it easier to run from it or deny it than face it. She’s the opposite of Lust in that way. Lust is a drive, a passion. So the character Lust is passionate and driven the longer the show goes on to discover who she is and her past. Lust doesn’t really represent her named sin as much, but tbh the BH Lust isn’t really in the traditional sense either-she represents more of a blood-lust tbh. But in 03 since Scar’s brother brought her back as his lover..in what might’ve been seen as a lustful and desperate act since she was so beautiful and desired by him…and he lost his…thingy…as a result of committing the taboo, it’s a pretty fair assumption of what sin she was made for or closest linked to. Therefore her connection to “lust”. And there were 7 just because there were at the time. They were the human transmutations Dante had found or knew about that she could take advantage of and use. I just assumed Dante gave them those names because her name (and show’s philosophies) are a reference to the Dante’s Inferno books, which have to do with the 7 deadly sins. I figure she gave them those nicknames because there mere existence as human transmutations was like a “sin” and caused by human error, and named them after the common human sins that seemed to fit their personalities or looks.
I see! I think I think understand now lol. Really though, kind of a coincidence that Dante just so happened to stumble across four of them (she made Greed, Pride, and Envy herself so I won’t count them). AKA, the perfect amount for her to name each one after a sin lmao. Speaking of which, wouldn’t she have to be in/around Ishbal to find Lust? Why would she even be there in the first place? It’s been a while since I’ve seen the 03 anime, so I can’t remember if that’s addressed or not This is just me nitpicking tho tbh, and I don’t actually think it affects the quality of 03 in any meaningful way. It’s still an objectively good show.
I think the reason why there were only 7 Homunculi instead of like 70 because their birth required human transmutation. If I'm not wrong, only a handful of alchemists can actually perform it since it requires immense skill and knowledge. I remember Lust saying that this is the first time all 7 of them have been alive together, which makes sense as we literally see the birth of 3 homunculus in the show.
But then you don’t get that amazing sakuga and impact frames as Roy roast list to crisp as the intense music swells. Or the way they depict Roy’s rampage on envy. But yeah the pacing/structuring as well as the outright removal of parts exploring ishval are pretty problematic (not to mention the anime tends to try to crank the humor up to 10 which is pretty annoying at times). Lowart actually did a great video on this topic just a few days ago. Definitely recommend checking it out.
@@hookedonafeeling9232 the person simply said the manga was better than the anime. Ironically enough most of the people I’ve seen who say the manga is the best version have called brotherhood the worst of the three in spite of following the manga’s story to its conclusion. They usually site issues they have with the directing, tonal whiplash from the excessive playing up of comedy, significant cutting of the ishval content, and weakening of the early structuring. I’ve seen them slightly prefer 2003 to Brotherhood for being a nice original story warranting it’s existence rather than being just a “weaker rehash of the manga” and for Mizushima’s better directing. You can actually find people like this in the comments of this video. Or you can check out Etheri0n who has videos on his opinion of the topic. Lastly preferring the manga doesn’t even closely resemble disliking either of the anime adaptations, you just imprinted that on what this person is saying from yourself.
Honestly I would do so much to be able to watch this anime for the first time again. I enjoyed 2003 and brotherhood very much. I know most ppl dislike 2003 but even tho it’s not very manga accurate, it’s still a nice anime
I'm not going to lie I think you should continue watching 2003 it is its own anime from the get-go and it's a very well-told stand-alone story and I think you should view it as such and the whole thing is basically a philosophical reflection on life and seeing that the world is unfair but beautiful and how Edward needs to accept that and the ending is basically an embodiment of all that seeing the truth about the world and going to the real Adult World a literal metaphor of growing up of course there's other messages but those are the more important ones that the series constantly shows you and foreshadows but I don't want to spoil both versions are great I'm glad you liked it and I hope you have a great day
If you haven't finished watching the 03 fma anime yet, I highly recommend doing so. Brotherhood is good, but gotta admit I much prefer the original. It's darker and you have to look a little deeper than just surface level in orer to get some meanings. It's also just far more compelling imo. It's a different story sure, but equally as enjoyable (or for some, like myself, more enjoyable than bh).
Just The Guy With The Wave Check Fma 2003 is like magi:Labyrinth of Magic. we actually explore the world learn about different cultures, religions and geography of the place were go instead of just" fight the POWER". FMAB we mainly stay central city, we basically told not really show everything. I can give examples if you want.
Full metal alchemist brotherhood, is my all time favorite anime. There’s no characters I hate. The women are amazing and don’t need a man to always save them. Has a hot headed protagonist who makes mistakes but stays likeable (unlike eren) he is also incredibly written. The backstory of Ed and al are amazing. There is no filler. The ending was the most beautiful anime ending by far (in my opinion). The plot is super interesting and the villains are super duper cool. There are twists and turns that we would never see coming but that still make sense.
Fmab is what I would call a nearly perfect manga/anime (flaws and all) I think it’s a show that while it doesn’t have super awesome high points, it’s a solid 8-9/10 in all categories. Story, characters,development,music, art, animation. It’s just so solid and while other shows do some of these better, what’s amazing about FMA is that all of these aspects are so solid and tightly written
I could not disagree more about "putting all your cards on the table by the end", if there is one thing that I think immediately minimizes your entire world and story it's if the story gives off the impression that everything about the world has been told, and that everything that is mentioned in the story is directly relevant to the story at hand. This is why I can't stand Naruto, where the entire history of the Shinobi feels small and fake because everything has to do with what's going on right here and now. The story drags on, it overstays it's welcome, and it ruins the mystery. The best example is lord of the rings, where you hear names and events of things throughout history, characters thinking back wistfully about things that are never mentioned again unless you start digging through the silmarilion or other books. This made the world feel real, alive, huge, and ancient, it made you fantasize about what lay beyond the borders of the map. FMA:B does this perfect, unlike basically all anime that think that everything needs to be told and tied in. FMA:B left me both fulfilled and wishing there was more, which is why I keep coming back to it. Again, could not disagree more on this point, laying everything on the table is just bad writing imo.
But the Villans are not as interesting because they are fathers Faults That is the point of the fucking show They are quite litteraly his 7 faults divided into 7 characters
glad you're able to give this masterpiece a second chance! it's such a good series that every anime fan needs to at least watch once. And for fma 03, it may not follow the manga but it's still a pretty good watch. for one, lust may be bland in fmab but she's a much better character in 03!
Now if only we could see Broken Ronin make this kind of video lul also I do love Furu Metaru Alchemisto Brozahoodoo don't think it's No. 1 but still great and I would recommend watching the start of FMA not brotherhood I think it has a better start
FMA:B is my personal anime masterpiece, and while I've watched anime before FMA:B, it was FMA:B that got me to love anime. I remember seeing Edward and Alphonse before watching FMA:B, and hearing people talk about FMA:B. And almost in a weird defensive move I went "screw those guys, they and their show isn't as good as .... (I don't even remember who I thought was better)" and almost felt like not watching FMA:B on purpose as an act of defiance. Then I started watching it during a lan party, was obsessed by episode 2, watched the entire series in 2 days, and never looked back. This is my lord of the rings of anime.
Fate series is kinda meh have many plot holes and plot armor also many cringe dialouge only zero and the movie is 8/10 the rest is 5-6/10, but yeah the animation is top tier
Personally, I get a lot of crap about liking the original more than brotherhood. Both are really good I just like the darkness and slow pace of the original.
No matter which version you look at there both masterpieces tbh everything is done pretty much to perfection and its done in a way that fits the world ill never understand how sum people sleep on it
@@haosmagnaingram6992 I watched the 2003 version before Brotherhood so I might just be biased because the beginning of the 2003 version was very strong and I was already attached to the characters. I'd honestly recommend people watch the 2003 version before Brotherhood because the 03 anime gets you attached to a lot of the characters whereas brotherhood feels like it was made with the assumption that you've already seen the 03 anime and doesn't flesh them out as much and just wants to move the plot along.
I mean, if you look at the adaptation ratio (how much manga an episode adapts), you'll notice the beginning is definitely quite faster than later parts. FMAB is 64 episodes so let's divide that into four equal parts of 16 episodes: Episodes 1-16 - 8.25 volumes - 0.52 volumes per episode Episodes 17-32 - 7.25 volumes - 0.45 volumes per episode Episodes 33-48 - 5.5 volumes - 0.34 volumes per episode Episodes 49-64 - 6 volumes - 0.37 volumes per episode As you can see, they went from dedicating 2 episodes to a single volume to dedicating 3 episodes to a single volume. I think they would've needed around 74 episodes (instead of 64) to keep the adaptation ratio consistent across the board. The existence of FMA 2003 was not really a factor here. The truth is, the production committee gave them 63 episodes to work with. The showrunner had to fight them really hard so they would agree to one more episode. There's no way they would've given them another 10 on top of that. So they had to rush the beginning a bit.
I'd say definitely watch the first 15-20 episodes of '03. It's at the very least a companion piece that covers areas that BroHo really does a disservice to.
I’m glad that people still love the show. I feel like you have to watch both shows to really understand all the characters even though things are different. In FMA we get more of the Villains POV. Like Lust, but in FMAB we get barely anything 😭
Even though at the end of the day you ended up liking FMA I still can't believe you weren't hooked from your first watch. I guess everyone is different but to me I've never heard of someone getting 30 episodes into FMA and a couple into Brotherhood and then putting it off for a while. Glad you at least liked it in the end.
In terms of setting we follow a young teenager who once he learns that he hits a dead end somewhere quickly leaves to look for another Avenue of finding a philosopher stone. And the Father made homunculi were supposed to be one dimensional, Greed and Wrath however were human turned homunculi so they still retain emotions, although Wrath would bury these, and Greed’s emotions don’t show until his last scene but his relationship with Ling makes it an interesting dynamic
Inuyasha was one of the first Anime I watched as a child and it was the reason why fell in love with Anime & shouen and Sesshomaru was my first Anime cush lol 🤣🤣
IMO you should watch both the og and brotherhood as they have different latter half and the og imo handled emotions, dark themes and the consequences of trying to revive the dead better and it also have a better first half, although this imo is unfair to brotherhood as they purposely fasten the first half of the series to get right into where the og was left off because the og already tacked it in details. As for brotherhood the 2nd half is definitely better and deservingly so as it's the canon story but the drama heavy 2nd half of the 2003 version is right behind its tail imo.
I enjoy seeing people who don’t like it or have good points on how the story was eh. I love fma but I love to seeing people who have great points on how it’s not for them or how there are places where it could have been better. It’s interesting to see it from a non bias place or from even a biased place sometimes. It gives me a new way of watching the show I love.
Check out this video about world building in anime & manga! - ruclips.net/video/dPOksSCyXWE/видео.html&ab_channel=Augie
Kimblee is criminally underrated, I think he is a very well-written villain, I really love that he sticks with his ideals and respect others who also do this.
His VA's are amazing too
I’m so torn on his final appearance in Brotherhood - where he arises out of the sea of tortured souls consumed by father’s giant transmutation circle to thwart Pride’s attempt to steal Ed’s body - Part of me feels like it’s absolutely preposterous and corny as fuck, and sometimes I feel like it’s totally genius and badass lol idk
I hate Kimblee
La verdad es que si, el es muy bueno escritamente hablando..
Well he’s underrated for a reason, he wouldn’t work if people realized how important he is, the whole point of Kimbley is he only exists in the story to point out the flaws in other characters ideologies, this works because despite being the most genuinely amoral and evil character in the series, he’s completely sane and sees things more clearly than anyone else
Full Metal Alchemist is an anime you couldn’t hate seeing more people talk about it more is quite rare
I mean it’s held at such a pedestal and if you check peoples favourite anime internationally (TheAnimeMan video) you can see it’s most people’s number 1. I don’t think you need more people talking about it
Fullmetal alchemist is like the Citizen Kane of anime/manga series. Many consider it the greatest, others don’t care about it at all, it’s been talked about to death, and calling it your favorite makes you look basic.
@@hydqjuliilq27 weather you like it or don’t like it there’s nothing you can do about it because it’s number one
@@ihtishamhussain1785 weather you like it or don’t like it there’s nothing you can do about it because it’s number one
@@hydqjuliilq27 no, having naruto be your favorite makes you look basic. Fullmetal deserves at least 95% of all the praise it gets
Brotherhood is SO good. Need me a girl like Hawkeye...
Perfect waifu!
She literally shot to her dog after he pissed on floor
@@Spacey_key Hey, Black Hayate had to trained.
Shit Olivier is my waifu but Hawkeye ain’t bad.
We all simp Hawkeye
“I think the only thing I was missing was those last 15 to 20 episodes left of the story.”
100 % agreed. It’s some of the darkest storytelling I’ve seen in any medium at all. Something about the last third or so of FMA 2003 gave me an existential dread and haunting hollowness I still can’t quite explain. Which is why it’s one of my favorite anime.
Yeah it’s the gate in 2003. It’s so ominous and like a force of nature. It’s almost lovecraftian. Always gave me the creeps and I think that’s something I found undermined by the character of truth, it makes the gate seem less unforgiving and instead something that can be reasoned with, something less mysterious and more benign. (Though the character of truth also brought a lot to the show in other ways so it isn’t exactly like one way is inherently better just each play to different strengths)
Yeah. I loved the way they introduced and developed characters. They took their time to slowly make us fall in love with every character they later killed in a cold way. They took their time to develop every important character. They made us understand villains. I loved every character, they all had depth to them. 2003 was very dark and very unforgiving and an absolute masterpiece. I can't pinpoint what exactly made me feel this hollowness as you did, but I feel like it were the characters and how unforgiving and indifferent the world was to every one of them. There were no winners, there was no happy ending, only cold and unforgiving consequences of everyones' actions.
FMAB feels very rushed compared to 2003, but I think it is only because 2003 made sure to take time and concentrate on characters.
You should read berserk bruh that will make you question your existence and its one of the darkest stories i have experienced
Fmab is a perfect story that does what alot of shows can't do it's truly a masterpiece amazing characters, great story, fantastic world,great antagonist, and one of the most enjoyable main character's in Edward this remains a top 5 anime for me
I agree entirely FMAB is amazing
It’s not my personal favourite for enjoyment, as in I enjoy other things more. But I couldn’t really find an objective flaw, so it’s a 10/10 for me.
@@ihtishamhussain1785 it’s not my #1 favorite but it is in top 5
@@ihtishamhussain1785 I enjoyed everything but the ending
Nah the antagonist is fine, not great
I’m not a big fan of shounen but Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is one of those anime that is hard to hate. I’ve watched the anime twice and both times it was hard to stop watching. It’s so good and every character is important to the story in some way. No one is forgotten and everything ties in together. This is a masterpiece for sure
bro shows like fmab, 1999 hxh, death note, and code geass are just a few of the good ones if you can give them a try
Period
shonen like hxh and dragon ball are so influential i think everyone should read them
@@R0s3456 hate how censored hxh 2011 is compared to 1999
@@justtheguywiththewavecheck6244 honestly, its very watered down in the 2011. Im pretty sure the chimera ant arc would've been dark af cause yorknew had kurapika looking a lot cruler than the phantom troupe
FMAB is a anime that is hyped up constantly because it is so good
Ive been a fan of the fma franchise since like 2004 . I absolutely love seeing how popular the series has remained and how it’s perceived by the new generation of anime kids .
Same, I'm very happy about how it's still so loved.
The Fullmetal alchemist franchise is definitely a series that I feel needs to be mentioned more as being one of the most influential franchises of the 2000s . like after the initial dragon ball run and (before naruto came to the west ). I feel shows like inuyahsa , cowboy bebop fma ect was holding it down in those early days when it came to introducing anime to a mature demographic . It taught me anime was more than big explosions and power ups.
Even when brotherhood came around the series was extremely popular / well received in the 2010s and continues to keep a strong fan base to this day.
It’s on the top of a lot of people lists
@@amuroray9115 it's still number 1 on my animelist after 12 years and even before brotherhood came out the original version and manga were really popular in my country, as popular as naruto, beyblade and yu gi oh, which were huge in the early 2000s.
@@champ6436 exactly. I watched FMA in 2005 (the original) it was very popular in America
@@amuroray9115 i remember watching it on a local television channel in the Caribean island in 2003, it was popular pretty much everywhere i think.
Fullmetal Alchemist is like Monster to me.
Masterpieces that I'll never watch ever again.
I've seen fmab like 9 times over
Ive seen it 14 times now😅
Rewatch it.
I’ve rewatched 2003 like 5 times and brotherhood 3 times
I've lost count over how many times I've seen both FMA03 and FMAB
I have watched it one too many times ;-;
I feel like in most Shonen, the protagonist's main motive is to get stronger. Here we are introduced to a character who is already strong, but is trying to rectify the mistakes he childishly made when first coming to terms with his strength. It's more about connections with people and politics which I feel can get lost on a lot of people who come wanting only action.
I was so happy that FMAB made Hohenheim story line better than FMA
Fullmetal is a shounen that impossible to replicate. It is a world, philosophy, and concept that is seinen executed shounen. I don't think anyone in this thread can note a shounen anime that has topics and ideas that are as deep and emotional as FMAB's.
Honestly, I really love Envy. Its somewhat ironically their inability to change that leads to their downfall.
You gotta see the original also. Brotherhood is an action adventure shonen while the original is more like a Greek tragedy
Man, the original is the brotherhood, not the 2003 version, because Brotherhood is based straight from the manga, do u read the manga?
@@inbloom4083 When people say "the original", they obviously mean that the 2003 version came first. They're not stupid lmao.
I watched the original several times. I love it
The original is SO GOOD
The original is the brotherhood bcs its based on straight from the manga.
@@inbloom4083 The original anime is the 03 because it was made before the second anime
@@mikemath9508 true. Honestly the MANGA is the ‘original’. Because it was started first, then FMA 03, then Brotherhood. But if we’re talking about just the anime adaptations, FMA 03 IS considered the ‘original’ since it was the first to be made and aired. Fmab is based off the original content of the manga…but it still came out second after the other anime, and still is missing quite a lot of story from the manga. Most people who grew up with anime-only call FMA 03 the original since it’s the first of any FMA story they would’ve seen long before the newer version.
U can nitpick and insist all u want about what should be called the original anime..:P but FMA will likely always be referred to by the anime community as the original, since the new one goes by Fullmetal Alchemist BROTHERHOOD, and not just original old: “Fullmetal Alchemist” like the first show. It is what it is.
And the mangaka did like fma 03 a lot, to the point where she made several koma theatre comics based on the FMA 03 universe and designed many of the anime-only characters, and also was a part of the writing and character process for a lot of it and was closely referenced for direction of the new story, before she gave them full permission to go with whatever they felt fit.
Agreed
This Anime Is Must Watch !! Amazing story with complete 64 episode where everything is on it's place, no fillers, nothing unnecessary Is added by creators. It has Thrill, Comedy, Hearthtouching moments, Great Protagonists, Great Antagonists. Only sad thing watching it is that you can't watch it for the first time again
I think going into FMA expected a shonen story is setting yourself up for disappointment. It is an action series with a magic power system, but it eschews so many of the tropes of the genre that calling it shonen really isn’t the best way to sell it.
I agree. I find it surprising that this show was intended for teenage boys when it's actually better suited for adults of both genders. It's great for both action and drama fans.
@@nickpastorino5370 hi I just started the show and was wondering if it gets better as it goes along? The comedy in these first few episodes are really off putting and mess up perfectly good, emotional moments so far imo.
Envy to me was a very interesting character, he has a very interesting motivation. I enjoyed his character a lot
Who's your favorite FMA character?
The whole cast is great! but fma is the rare anime where the main character is honestly my favorite
Ling and greed
Ling and Greed
Bradley/Wrath
@@hs1798 Yessir
Can’t count how many times I’ve rewatched FMA and FMAB. It truly is a masterpiece in terms of storytelling, characters, and ending. It’s my top 1 anime so I’m biased lol
the pacing of fma is near perfect imo, i feel like standard shounen pacing is what makes this feel so wierd because theres not 30 filler episodes as soon as we show up to a new location. Every episode is actually meaningful and moves the story along at such a brisk pace
What about the pacing in Demon Slayer?
@@ThePreciseClimber What about it? I think Demon Slayer is okay but not at the level of FMAB despite the lack of long-drawn out arcs in both. Tanjurou is a common goody-two shoed protagonist who was thrust to another world due to coincidence. And we have a clear delineation that demons are bad though they may have been regretful in the end. The Elrics were a tad more interesting imo in that they did something forbidden and it was their choice that got them to their path. They dont necessarily align with good people as they align with the military who have done questionable things. In Demon Slayer we know who the big bad is at the start while with FMA we do not. In DS we have arcs of Tanjurou constantly getting power ups to potentially defeat Muzan in FMA, we still do a bit, but the power more or less stays the same and it's a matter of who does things smarter.
@@ThePreciseClimber it's decent
If you dropped the "first" series because you thought they were the same, but better, here is some info:
The first series is the same up until they ran out of manga to adapt, and take a COMPLETELY different turn, and is an original story after that, totally different.
Brotherhood started when the manga was about to finish, hence it fully follows the manga story and characters.
So basically the first series is Game of Thrones.
@@karlaegley8210 Yes, but if it actually ended well. I’m a FMAB fanboy at heart, but FMA is still an amazing series that blows many other anime out of the water.
@@josephsherby LOL Good Point!
Fullmetal Alchemist:I Was Wrong.
i prefer fma 2003 than fmab
These comments make me so happy. I'm not as alone as I thought I was
Same
well it's ok to be wrong
we all make mistakes
you know all about that
griffith still hate you ;)
Fmab is the best anime ever fr fr
Yeah after AOT 139 I think it’s solidified 😂
Even though your opinion is wrong i will still say it’s top tier
@@ihtishamhussain1785 aotis never a competition
@@ihtishamhussain1785 yea jaajja
Monster, Bebop or Vinland Saga is the best, both shit on fmab in terms of story telling and character writing as well as development.
So you ignored the 2003 version....
Just watch it.
why should he watch a show
hated by the creator?
brotherhood is wayy better
you are nitpicking and biased i win bye bye
@@hookedonafeeling9232 this is blatant misinformation. The Hiromu Arakawa outright requested before preproduction that they make an original story with the manga as a foundation feeling it would be more interesting to have different versions of the story. She pretty extensively collaborated with Sho Aikawa and the writing team, gave suggestions for the direction the story would go, and consulted the team on a number of decisions, beyond that she gave her approval on every episode. Additionally she has gone out on numerous occasions stating that she absolutely loved what was done with the 2003 version and was especially intrigued by their take on the homunculi.
You can dislike 03 but don’t lie about it or the author in a dumb way of slandering it, Sho Aikawa’s work, and Arakawa’s contributions to the series.
People who have watched 03: Should we tell him?
that it's bad XD
@@hookedonafeeling9232 I respect your opinion though it is blatantly wrong
I will say the 2003 anime was better than brotherhood
YES!!! Better character development, better music, better story, better pacing, better animation (yeah, I said it)
@@leahtheanimationfan40 for sure I don’t really like the artstyle in brotherhood compared to 03, 03 artstyle felt more fluid and dark
@@jerinphilip3953 03 was way better with lighting and backgrounds too
@@leahtheanimationfan40 agreed
Nope worse in every way more boring characters worse action and humour people say it’s better cuz it’s more serious but it comes off as edgy 13 year old seriousness. Plus second half has so many plot holes while brotherhood has barely any
I recently finished FMA and FMaB so I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion or not but other than Bradley who I thought was written better in FMAB, the concept of homunculus was handled better in the original FMA to me. Especially the twist with Envy and the character of Lust. Really enjoyed those two.
SPOILERS:
The thing about FmaB Lust was, she was the ''control group'' for homunculus. She was the most basic idea of a homunculus and everyone else separeted from her, having different powers or ways to look at life etc.
It is an interesting approach a character even if Fma03 Lust is highly likely a better written character in a bubble. You can also say 03 Lust does similar feat with a sympathic view towards homunculi in general. but idk, didn't think that far
TL:DR , Lust burned so homunculi can run.
I don't think it's an unpopular opinion. I've seen multiple people express that and I agree. I liked Greed more in Brotherhood and obviously Bradley had more development like you said. However, I think it makes more sense for Bradley to be Pride and Wrath to be a child so it's one of the reasons I prefer 03
I think most people that have seen both prefer the Homunculus concept from FMA 03
@@Ash_Wen-li what concept do you prefer i myself prefer the homunculus concept in 2003 because it gives them more depth (not all homunculus because i think that there are some that are done better in brotherhood)
@@justtheguywiththewavecheck6244 Yeah I prefer that. It gives them more character and goes well with the themes of the story. They can all have their own unique motivations too and can act more freely
Of course Greed and Bradly are better done in FMAB for example
Before this video starts fmab peak fiction ☕️🤝
I wish people would watch 2003 cause it's so beautifully tragic. Brotherhood is fun, but FMA 2003 made me feel so much more.
You could read the manga. It’s the best version
@@chauncie8201 I have, still perfer most of 2003 ending aside, the manga feels more like a Shonen while 2003 feels like a psychological thriller.
Most of the characters in 03 sucked tho imo, and there are ton of dumb moments like the ending
I agree
Fma and fmab did everything I want from any series, I rewatch both regularly
I think that it’s still great that there are parts of the fma world that haven’t been explored yet, because unlike most shonen Ed and al aren’t op main characters that influence the entire universe (which they kinda do), I mean they don’t really interfere other countries that weren’t involved to begin with, just like real world
Next vid about gintama? 👀
Hmm not far enough yet.
@@animeaugie top characters list still waiting 🤣
@@animeaugie I see, are you enjoying it so far where you are at ?
I like the og fma better. It focuses more on philosophy
And better world building
Wait so did you never complete 2003?
Also based off just the overlapping material I don’t see how you can conclude that brotherhood does it better, I get how you can definitely find that brotherhood is overall better because the way it goes after diverging and getting better animated more bombastic scenes. The 2003 version really does a much better job at presenting the earlier material.
Also you should go and watch all of 2003 as it is a completely different series that diverges greatly. (It’s a lot less shonen than brotherhood, so if you went into brotherhood and expected something closer to shonen just know that 2003 is significantly further from shonen than even brotherhood)
I don't really mind it tbh. But going off what I said myself 20/30 episodes for a series like FMA isn't enough lol. But I also don't like how the ending is original to the manga. For the most part I'm not usually a fan of that. But who knows maybe I'd enjoy it more.
@@animeaugie definitely check it out while it’s controversial it is still considered to be the best anime original ending (though that’s somewhat of a low bar.) just don’t go in expecting it to be like brotherhood and it will be fine
@@animeaugie Its actually better than Brotherhood though. I never understood people's enfactuation with "it follows the manga". Only cuz it follows the manga doesnt mean its better srory-telling, world building, or character developing. Brotherhood has a LOT of issue.
Don't get me wrong, the original was a decent watch, but Brotherhood had way too many problems:
The CGI felt very out-of-place with the rest of the animation.
The introduction is very rushed: we get to know very little of who the Elric brothers are and what they’re like as people before the main action starts. Most people seem to think this is an advantage; I certainly do not.
Similarly, emotional moments are somewhat more rushed and far less poignant than they should’ve been, and sometimes follow less of a build-up.
The moral code given was:
very monotonous-the message that ‘killing humans is wrong’ is repeated over and over, and it somehow always having long-term good effects even when taken to its (il)logical extreme (e.g. sparing Kimblee and even Envy) made it predictable and far too much for my suspension of disbelief; and
somewhat puzzling-being a vegan at the time, I found it hypocritical that they’d spare even the worst of the worst of humanity, applying the most liberal interpretation for the term, just for being ‘human’, while eating the flesh of dead animals without batting an eye.
The characters felt much more one-dimensional, and because of the moral code the series keeps repeating their choices were very predictable almost all the time.
The writer was clearly clueless about what war is really like. Living in a country that’s been pacifist for decades apparently gave her very mistaken ideas about how people, both in the military and civilians, think of wars they’re involved in. This irked me but I could laugh it off the way one would a virgin fangirl’s clueless yaoi fanfic, but what I couldn’t was:
The writer seemed to be completely unaware of her privilege and her country’s responsibility for the atrocities it committed. Her idea of solving a political conflict seemed to boil down to ‘everyone putting down their weapons and grinding their teeth a little before coming together to sing “Kumbaya”’. Her presenting Ishvalan violent retribution against military personnel as somehow being on par with Amestrian violence sickening, as if she were implicitly telling the people of Nanjing, the Koreans, and the Ainu, ‘Ah-ah-ah, remember: violence is wrong!’ when she should be saying, ‘We were horrible to you, we’re so sorry, we have to compensate you, please forgive us.’
Finally, Ed’s and Winry’s relationship was cliché and obnoxious.
Oh, and the omake is pretty blatantly homophobic. Fuck that.
Compare and contrast the original series, where:
The animation is not as advanced but it is more consistent: you don’t have, say, CGI doors opening in a more crudely animated scenario and breaking the immersion illusion.
It takes a few episodes worth of mostly standalone stories before the main plot is introduced, so we get to see what Edward is like as a person before the really heavy stuff kicks in. We get a chance to relate first without the really dark stuff alienating the viewers. This could easily be a weak point, to some extent, but these episodes become very relevant later on so they don’t become pure filler.
The moral code given is a much murkier one, especially since that’s not what the series is about. There are far more shades of grey, and the limits of what counts or doesn’t count as human are more intensely debated (and empathy towards animals is emphasized a bit more, when Ed tells Wrath to spare a rat he catches). As a result the characters are much less predictable or one-dimensional; special mention goes to Ed, Roy, Scar, and Hohenheim.
The true horrors of war are represented much more realistically. The whole dynamic between Amestris and the Ishvalans is elaborated on some more and the conflict makes internal sense, so it feels like much more real than ‘war broke out because one arsehole decided to fuck everything up’. The army is also presented as being horrific enough to actually make some dents in Ed’s belief system and make it look like absolution isn’t as simplistic as Arakawa made it out to be.
As a matter of fact, the series handled very different themes. Rather than the simplistic moral code and the ridiculous, downright offensive idea of conflict resolution Brotherhood focused on, the first adaptation focused on the concept of making mistakes, atonement, and living on with the burden of the consequences of the irreversible. It was a very powerful exploration of these themes and I was deeply moved by it (and the truly emotional scenes) to the point of uncontrollable sobbing.
The original does have its flaws, e.g. Al being too flat a character (fortunately events and characters around him and his relationship with Ed are engaging enough to make up for it), the ending kinda drags on, and some would-be poignant moments undermined by misplaced comedy (e.g. ‘Douglas is… an alien’). Both films were decent, and the OVAs were too (Brotherhood’s were better than the main anime). Still, I think it’s leaps and bounds ahead of Brotherhood.
I disagree about 03's presentation of the earlier material. I actually found the first 13 or so episodes of 2003 to be agonizingly slow/bloated (keep in mind that two of them--4 and 10--are godawful filler episodes that add very little to the overall plot), especially in comparison to Brotherhood. Sure, BH moves fast in the beginning, but even as a first time viewer with little to no knowledge of the fma series, I still found it relatively engaging and easy to follow. 2003, on the other hand, spent way too much time on innocuous and unnecessary junk (did we really need an entire episode devoted to a side character like Barry? Did we really need an episode devoted to Ed and Roy duking it out in a tournament?). Some people might've found those episodes neat, but personally I was just bored lol
@@redherring5287 I do agree with you that the first few episodes of fma 2003 were a bit slow and two were filler, but they are still very well made and lets us(the viewers) better understand Ed and Alfonse as characters; their decision making we saw in the filler. If you're into fast paced, mainly action based anime, then yeah- FMA 2003 is not for you. I am not saying evreryone has to like it more than FMA B, but Im not going to stand here and act like fmab has better story-telling, character-building, world-building, and moral nuance then the original(FMA 2003).
I personally prefer the manga and the 2003 anime but nit brotherhood.
Because I felt that that brotherhood was just the manga with weird character design (inferior) , weird musical choice , rushed beginning , and lack of characterisation .
While the 2003 anime took the concept of the manga and made it its own. So I can have 2 stories to enjoy instead of the same but in animation.
And brotherhood simplified a lot of things that made the characters very ambiguous especially during the ishvalian massacre and made the conflict a little seems like black vs white , obviously good vs obviously evil.
I haven't read the manga, but I preferred 03 over Brotherhood. There's just a lot of things about Brotherhood that I didn't like, and a lot of things I think the original did better
Based
no it's not the manga and fmab are more complex than
the homunculi being zombies with amneisia
I think envy is one of the best characters in fmab honestly
I clicked this vid for some fmab praise but most of this vid is just u expressing ur criticisms, still left a like though
Well yeah obviously they're going to say what they didn't like about it
this is my favourite anime. not naruto, which I love, not berserk, which I love, this one. because I like philosophy, mythology, magic and swords. and the more you know about philosophy, religion and myths the more details you find here. also it's dark without needing extreme Gore. it touches deep themes in an elegant way.
if it's not your cup of tea you do you. but for me, man! it's part of my life
I'm glad that you gave it a second chance! Fmab is one of my favorite shows of all time, and I'm always happy to see it get the recognition it deserves. I have a semi-complicated relationship with the original series, but I believe it's still worth a watch (Lust and Scar were easily the best things about that show, and if I ever decide to revisit the 2003 series, it'll be to see them again lmao). I also know a lot of people think the origin of the homonculi is better in 03, but I'm not sure I agree. If you think about it for more than one second, it seems kind of...odd? Why are there only seven of them? Why are they all named after a sin, despite some of them not really displaying that particular trait (like, sloth doesn't seem very slothful to me)? In mangahood, the names and number of homonculi make sense because they're the *literal* personifications of Greed, Lust, Pride, etc., but in 2003 they're not extracted sins, they're failed transmutations...so why are they like that lol. what is the reason
Meh, I still think I find the 03 homunculi more interesting overall. And tbh the mangaka also admitted that she likes their stories better as well. It just takes a little more thinking to see the idea behind some of them.
Sloth is slothful, but just not in the usual, literal, physical sense. More of a mental laziness. Sloth shows that she’s slothful by the way she confronts-or lack of-her past and connection to her sons. She doesn’t want to be bothered with thinking about what her memories imply of who she is. It’s too much of a burden, so she pushes it to the side and wants to live a carefree life as a homunculi and not have to worry about the heavy feelings she feels when around the Elric brothers. Instead of face who she truly was, she’d rather just kill her past all together so she doesn’t have to be bothered by those complicated feelings and questions anymore. It’s difficult to face, and a complex issue, so she finds it easier to run from it or deny it than face it.
She’s the opposite of Lust in that way.
Lust is a drive, a passion. So the character Lust is passionate and driven the longer the show goes on to discover who she is and her past.
Lust doesn’t really represent her named sin as much, but tbh the BH Lust isn’t really in the traditional sense either-she represents more of a blood-lust tbh. But in 03 since Scar’s brother brought her back as his lover..in what might’ve been seen as a lustful and desperate act since she was so beautiful and desired by him…and he lost his…thingy…as a result of committing the taboo, it’s a pretty fair assumption of what sin she was made for or closest linked to. Therefore her connection to “lust”.
And there were 7 just because there were at the time. They were the human transmutations Dante had found or knew about that she could take advantage of and use. I just assumed Dante gave them those names because her name (and show’s philosophies) are a reference to the Dante’s Inferno books, which have to do with the 7 deadly sins. I figure she gave them those nicknames because there mere existence as human transmutations was like a “sin” and caused by human error, and named them after the common human sins that seemed to fit their personalities or looks.
I see! I think I think understand now lol.
Really though, kind of a coincidence that Dante just so happened to stumble across four of them (she made Greed, Pride, and Envy herself so I won’t count them). AKA, the perfect amount for her to name each one after a sin lmao. Speaking of which, wouldn’t she have to be in/around Ishbal to find Lust? Why would she even be there in the first place? It’s been a while since I’ve seen the 03 anime, so I can’t remember if that’s addressed or not
This is just me nitpicking tho tbh, and I don’t actually think it affects the quality of 03 in any meaningful way. It’s still an objectively good show.
I think the reason why there were only 7 Homunculi instead of like 70 because their birth required human transmutation. If I'm not wrong, only a handful of alchemists can actually perform it since it requires immense skill and knowledge. I remember Lust saying that this is the first time all 7 of them have been alive together, which makes sense as we literally see the birth of 3 homunculus in the show.
Read hell's paradise
Didn't like FMA
Reason: wanted more FMA
Why are you like this?
as a naruto fan its not alwasy good to get more
Ya
You should check the original series,since it stops following the manga at some point and it becomes much darker as a story
But not Better.
@@BruhBruh-ej4cd debatable. Less solid certainly, but very debatable on which is better
@@haosmagnaingram6992 I think it's the better series for a lot of reasons but most people seem to prefer Brotherhood so...I'm in the minority
My only issue is that it puts jokes in inappropriate times.
That's whatade me drop the anime and made me read the Manga.
Finish the first series. The stories significantly diverge when the first one ran out of manga to adapt.
The thing is the manga is way better than the anime
But then you don’t get that amazing sakuga and impact frames as Roy roast list to crisp as the intense music swells. Or the way they depict Roy’s rampage on envy. But yeah the pacing/structuring as well as the outright removal of parts exploring ishval are pretty problematic (not to mention the anime tends to try to crank the humor up to 10 which is pretty annoying at times). Lowart actually did a great video on this topic just a few days ago. Definitely recommend checking it out.
yes finally someone with common sense 03 was trash
@@hookedonafeeling9232 the person simply said the manga was better than the anime. Ironically enough most of the people I’ve seen who say the manga is the best version have called brotherhood the worst of the three in spite of following the manga’s story to its conclusion. They usually site issues they have with the directing, tonal whiplash from the excessive playing up of comedy, significant cutting of the ishval content, and weakening of the early structuring. I’ve seen them slightly prefer 2003 to Brotherhood for being a nice original story warranting it’s existence rather than being just a “weaker rehash of the manga” and for Mizushima’s better directing.
You can actually find people like this in the comments of this video. Or you can check out Etheri0n who has videos on his opinion of the topic.
Lastly preferring the manga doesn’t even closely resemble disliking either of the anime adaptations, you just imprinted that on what this person is saying from yourself.
Honestly I would do so much to be able to watch this anime for the first time again. I enjoyed 2003 and brotherhood very much. I know most ppl dislike 2003 but even tho it’s not very manga accurate, it’s still a nice anime
I'm not going to lie I think you should continue watching 2003 it is its own anime from the get-go and it's a very well-told stand-alone story and I think you should view it as such and the whole thing is basically a philosophical reflection on life and seeing that the world is unfair but beautiful and how Edward needs to accept that and the ending is basically an embodiment of all that seeing the truth about the world and going to the real Adult World a literal metaphor of growing up of course there's other messages but those are the more important ones that the series constantly shows you and foreshadows but I don't want to spoil both versions are great I'm glad you liked it and I hope you have a great day
I would agree with you but you need to use punctuation.
@@corasundae ik 😭 I'm not very good with English so I just winged it
I really like both anime adaptations, but I personally prefer the 2003 series over Brotherhood.
You need to make another video now about you being wrong about Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 lol
If you haven't finished watching the 03 fma anime yet, I highly recommend doing so. Brotherhood is good, but gotta admit I much prefer the original. It's darker and you have to look a little deeper than just surface level in orer to get some meanings. It's also just far more compelling imo. It's a different story sure, but equally as enjoyable (or for some, like myself, more enjoyable than bh).
I like the character development and world building better in the original
@@jobsidian4219 its your opinion and i won't attack you for that but world building ? Really
@@jobsidian4219 yeah. bh assumes you've either read the manga or watched the original (or both) so kinda glosses over a lot
Just The Guy With The Wave Check Fma 2003 is like magi:Labyrinth of Magic. we actually explore the world learn about different cultures, religions and geography of the place were go instead of just" fight the POWER".
FMAB we mainly stay central city, we basically told not really show everything.
I can give examples if you want.
@@jobsidian4219 still think FMAB is better in world building i can barely remember someone ever motion amestris in fma 2003
Full metal alchemist brotherhood, is my all time favorite anime. There’s no characters I hate. The women are amazing and don’t need a man to always save them. Has a hot headed protagonist who makes mistakes but stays likeable (unlike eren) he is also incredibly written. The backstory of Ed and al are amazing. There is no filler. The ending was the most beautiful anime ending by far (in my opinion). The plot is super interesting and the villains are super duper cool. There are twists and turns that we would never see coming but that still make sense.
Many people are wrong with FMAB
Good Video!!!
Fmab is easily goated.
2:02 It's not though...
Yaa thanks Augie
Are we gonna see a video about FMA 2003?
probobaly not
since it's bullshit
Fmab is what I would call a nearly perfect manga/anime (flaws and all) I think it’s a show that while it doesn’t have super awesome high points, it’s a solid 8-9/10 in all categories. Story, characters,development,music, art, animation. It’s just so solid and while other shows do some of these better, what’s amazing about FMA is that all of these aspects are so solid and tightly written
There's a reason why FMAB is #1 on MAL.
its #2 gintama is one
@@SKULLKR3W Oh interesting. Last time I checked FMAB was at #1.
I GOT TIME TODAY
I could not disagree more about "putting all your cards on the table by the end", if there is one thing that I think immediately minimizes your entire world and story it's if the story gives off the impression that everything about the world has been told, and that everything that is mentioned in the story is directly relevant to the story at hand.
This is why I can't stand Naruto, where the entire history of the Shinobi feels small and fake because everything has to do with what's going on right here and now. The story drags on, it overstays it's welcome, and it ruins the mystery.
The best example is lord of the rings, where you hear names and events of things throughout history, characters thinking back wistfully about things that are never mentioned again unless you start digging through the silmarilion or other books. This made the world feel real, alive, huge, and ancient, it made you fantasize about what lay beyond the borders of the map.
FMA:B does this perfect, unlike basically all anime that think that everything needs to be told and tied in. FMA:B left me both fulfilled and wishing there was more, which is why I keep coming back to it.
Again, could not disagree more on this point, laying everything on the table is just bad writing imo.
I don't even need to watch this video but I can say yes, you were wrong very wrong
It's ok u don't need to explain why u were wrong we already know
But the Villans are not as interesting because they are fathers Faults
That is the point of the fucking show
They are quite litteraly his 7 faults divided into 7 characters
rights its like side characters that are purposely one note
keep doing the thumbnails they are amazing, also amazing video
Thanks!
glad you're able to give this masterpiece a second chance! it's such a good series that every anime fan needs to at least watch once.
And for fma 03, it may not follow the manga but it's still a pretty good watch. for one, lust may be bland in fmab but she's a much better character in 03!
Now if only we could see Broken Ronin make this kind of video lul also I do love Furu Metaru Alchemisto Brozahoodoo don't think it's No. 1 but still great and I would recommend watching the start of FMA not brotherhood I think it has a better start
Till this day fma:b is imo the most complete story with the most satisfying ending of all anime I've seen.
FMA:B is my personal anime masterpiece, and while I've watched anime before FMA:B, it was FMA:B that got me to love anime.
I remember seeing Edward and Alphonse before watching FMA:B, and hearing people talk about FMA:B. And almost in a weird defensive move I went "screw those guys, they and their show isn't as good as .... (I don't even remember who I thought was better)" and almost felt like not watching FMA:B on purpose as an act of defiance.
Then I started watching it during a lan party, was obsessed by episode 2, watched the entire series in 2 days, and never looked back. This is my lord of the rings of anime.
FMA and FMAB have to be some of the best anime ever made. they always make my top five, though, if i'm honest i usually just put FMAB in the list...
Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood isn’t even that great
No punchline
Yes, you were fucking wrong finally this dude admits mistakes
My third favorite work of fiction right behind berserk at number 2 and the fate series at number 1
Fate series is kinda meh have many plot holes and plot armor also many cringe dialouge only zero and the movie is 8/10 the rest is 5-6/10, but yeah the animation is top tier
Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood is a masterpiece
Personally, I get a lot of crap about liking the original more than brotherhood. Both are really good I just like the darkness and slow pace of the original.
FMAB Is the only anime I’ve seen where every opening in a banger
I think AoT has a load of Bangers too ngl
Soul eater, mob psycho, most shows with only one OP
No matter which version you look at there both masterpieces tbh everything is done pretty much to perfection and its done in a way that fits the world ill never understand how sum people sleep on it
I don't get how people get bored of this series, it's interesting and well written the whole way through and all of the characters are top tier.
The beginning episodes are really week. You basically need to get to the introduction of the xing characters before brotherhood gets really good.
@@haosmagnaingram6992 I watched the 2003 version before Brotherhood so I might just be biased because the beginning of the 2003 version was very strong and I was already attached to the characters. I'd honestly recommend people watch the 2003 version before Brotherhood because the 03 anime gets you attached to a lot of the characters whereas brotherhood feels like it was made with the assumption that you've already seen the 03 anime and doesn't flesh them out as much and just wants to move the plot along.
@@cassi6528 exactly why I tell people to watch 2003 first
you cant compare main villians wide side villians and be like the side ones arent as good like no shit they arent the main bads
You should read Sousou no Frieren. It gud
I don't think I've ever heard of someone disliking the pacing of a show because of it being *too* concise. Usually people complain about the opposite.
I mean, if you look at the adaptation ratio (how much manga an episode adapts), you'll notice the beginning is definitely quite faster than later parts. FMAB is 64 episodes so let's divide that into four equal parts of 16 episodes:
Episodes 1-16 - 8.25 volumes - 0.52 volumes per episode
Episodes 17-32 - 7.25 volumes - 0.45 volumes per episode
Episodes 33-48 - 5.5 volumes - 0.34 volumes per episode
Episodes 49-64 - 6 volumes - 0.37 volumes per episode
As you can see, they went from dedicating 2 episodes to a single volume to dedicating 3 episodes to a single volume. I think they would've needed around 74 episodes (instead of 64) to keep the adaptation ratio consistent across the board.
The existence of FMA 2003 was not really a factor here. The truth is, the production committee gave them 63 episodes to work with. The showrunner had to fight them really hard so they would agree to one more episode. There's no way they would've given them another 10 on top of that. So they had to rush the beginning a bit.
I'd say definitely watch the first 15-20 episodes of '03. It's at the very least a companion piece that covers areas that BroHo really does a disservice to.
it's not a disservice that stuff isn't important in brotherhood
nina is stupid hughes doesn't matter
Augie redemption arc
We need the masked man to also change his mind.
I watch it every year
Superrrr wrong!
I’m glad that people still love the show. I feel like you have to watch both shows to really understand all the characters even though things are different. In FMA we get more of the Villains POV. Like Lust, but in FMAB we get barely anything 😭
Even though at the end of the day you ended up liking FMA I still can't believe you weren't hooked from your first watch. I guess everyone is different but to me I've never heard of someone getting 30 episodes into FMA and a couple into Brotherhood and then putting it off for a while. Glad you at least liked it in the end.
In terms of setting we follow a young teenager who once he learns that he hits a dead end somewhere quickly leaves to look for another Avenue of finding a philosopher stone. And the Father made homunculi were supposed to be one dimensional, Greed and Wrath however were human turned homunculi so they still retain emotions, although Wrath would bury these, and Greed’s emotions don’t show until his last scene but his relationship with Ling makes it an interesting dynamic
FMAB is my favorite anime for a good reason!
I just couldn’t except that you could manipulate matter by drawing a circle.
Inuyasha was one of the first Anime I watched as a child and it was the reason why fell in love with Anime & shouen and Sesshomaru was my first Anime cush lol 🤣🤣
I honestly don’t get the take that Aot objectively is better than fmab 😭😭
IMO you should watch both the og and brotherhood as they have different latter half and the og imo handled emotions, dark themes and the consequences of trying to revive the dead better and it also have a better first half, although this imo is unfair to brotherhood as they purposely fasten the first half of the series to get right into where the og was left off because the og already tacked it in details. As for brotherhood the 2nd half is definitely better and deservingly so as it's the canon story but the drama heavy 2nd half of the 2003 version is right behind its tail imo.
i will hate it i said
it will never replace my tv shows i said
damn i was so wrong
best decision for me was to start fullmetal brotherhood
I enjoy seeing people who don’t like it or have good points on how the story was eh. I love fma but I love to seeing people who have great points on how it’s not for them or how there are places where it could have been better. It’s interesting to see it from a non bias place or from even a biased place sometimes. It gives me a new way of watching the show I love.
Dudes gunna freak out when he gets to Attack on Titan