i liked it, especially when playing nomads, but even when playing tribal it was so satisfying to look at all these arrows beating feudal heavy infantry, it made me feel so powerful at times.
Ludi, what you said in the beginning of being able to choose the "weapon" of the regiment. I think it will apply, kinda. Because they said there will be many kinds of units. And those units could be people armed with bows, swords, lances, flintlocks. Because there will be the "production methods" for the buildings that you will create in order to create regiments. So while they may not differenciate the goods, being weapons for all of units, for example, the more powerful units probably consume more material. So if your economy can't handle 10 k flintlocks units, you may create 5 k flintlock units and 5 k archers, for example.
Considering salpeter & lead are resources, maybe you'll also need considering how much ammo you can produce, lest your troops lose much of their effectiveness
Maybe it's tied to where an army's HQ is, e.g., if your space marine regiment 1 was recruited in Berlin, it will be equipped with whatever is available through said location/province
I think that they said that the tick will move per hour, because there are many more, smaller locations on the map compared to EU4 and days are just not precise enough. But the system will be exactly the same as EU4, but because the map is made out of smaller location, you need to have more frequent ticks to get the same level of control as in EU4. At least that is how I understood it. I didn't see anything suggesting you could actually manage the your troops at the unit level during the battle like total war.
As a player that never played Vicky 2 and dont know even what it looks like, and has started Vicky 3 after 1.5, its a good game you know? Its only getting better
@@simoncolin5939 The game is not bad but the war system is just dog shit it makes no fun and its buggy especially when the fronts split or when you do a naval invasion
The funiest shit are people on Vicky 3 forum and reddit that constantly cope that Victoria 3 warfare system is good and "iT's nOT A GaMe about wARfeR bUT eConOmy!!11". Tell them that warfare sucks and they will downvote you to oblivion.
I actually dont think that paradox will let us do anything to our units mid-combat, as paradox themselves said, they choice of hourly ticks is explained by reduced province size, meaning that you probably are able to travel through multiple provinces within a single day which requires to adopt hourly ticks instead of daily ticks. Management of battles is also very difficult to imagine or do, especially when there are several battles going on at the same time and/or in multiplayer.
Ludi, "Płock" should sound a bit like "Puotsk". In Polish, you roughly say each letter separately (except these: 1) "rz" like French "j", 2) "sz" like "sh", 3) "cz" like "ch" in "chat" and 4) "ch" is "h")
21:05 you can, and Johan knows you can, because that IS the plan. The purpose of this change is to not let you teleport a good general from Spain to China and back every 5 seconds Though, only 1 year of cooldown shouldn't be that much of a problem...
Some things I'd like to see : 1 - Real units for garrisons, therefore three maintenance levels for forts, mothballed, empty, full. Also, whenever, you take a fort from an enemy, you should have to leave a garrison there in order to control the zone of control. 2 - Ability to intercept enemy logistics and to raid storage depots / supply ships. 3 - Instead of infantry / cavalry / artillery to have a total number of soldiers, a total number of horses / camels / elephants, and the number of specialised units (cavalry, artillery, medics, etc). This way every cavalry and artillery unit would be able to become a regular infantry, but not necessarily the other way around. Let's say you have breached the walls of a castle but don't have enough infantry. Simply dismount the horses and let the cannons rest while everyone takes a sword, spear or a rifle. That could of course give the enemy the ability to steal your horses or sabotage your artillery, so you'd still have to leave some guys behind. 4 - Population per location / province with details about their ages, cultures, religions and skills (or profession). Mobilising different groups for war would have certain effects on the location, province, nation and the army itself. 5 - A completely different culture conversion mechanism, based on population management. Having the ability to move people of a culture from a place (location, province, state, etc) to another. Having the ability to promote certain cultures (not just your primary one) in certain places. Having the ability to move certain radical people in or out of a place, bribe them, reform them, imprison them or even execute them, with each action having an effect on the populace. And I think there shouldn't be a promoted culture menu at all, but these should be done through stuff like official language, opening of schools, promoting of officials and population management.
I’ve been saying for years that the ultimate strategy game would have the character elements of CK, the nation managing and balance elements of EU, and the battle elements of Total War series. Seriously I would pay 100$ without hesitation.
I do not agree. I believe they chose hours rather than days because of the length of battles in eu4, the battles lasted weeks and months, and it was possible to recruit and add new units to the battle because they lasted so long. With the new system, battles will be much shorter in days. No total war battles sorry.
I think those mechanics will lead to years and decades of ongoing wars with months and years where no engagement happens. And I like this idea very much, because a more stable country might be able to out-wait a stronger attacker if they have internal problems...
What I really really want (but is probably a bridge too far) is to *actually* be able to pull off a Cannae and encircle your enemy's army if you have a god-tier general and better flanks even if your centre is weaker and outnumbered. Having flanks who hopefully can wheel around, smash into the sides of your enemies' centre and scatter/break his reserves is already an enormous step forward compared to EU4's "two static lines shooting at each other WW1-style" system though, so as long as the flanks can actually, you know, FLANK, I will be beyond happy.
I'm at work just listening with earbuds and yelled "oh fuck yeah" when you said food can be taken from defeated enemies. All of this sounds fantastic. I really enjoy realistic logistics and army movement.
also good about instant gaming is if the key in really really really rare instances doesn't work you get you money back, i bought dozens if not hundreds of games and especially DLCs through it and it only happened twice to me and i always got my money back
i believe that they go to counting hours to not do something unrealistic with travel time, if crossing each part of province would take few days army would need maybe years to cross through dense regions, so counting down to hours can fix that
I am a bit sceptical about the hours. How are things going to evolove in multiplayer. If some players are at war it might slow down the entire game to hours to let them properly play their battle at the expense of other players not doing anything. Also this all trade goods and replenishement part is very very unforgiving for small nations. I don't really understand yet how a small nation in the game will be able to compete with a larger nation. To me it seems a smaller nation can no longer access quality to match the quantity of larger nation because of the trade goods. A large nation will be able to produce so much more trade goods to reinforce its armies whereas the smaller nation will have no trade goods, very few levies and a super small place to replenish. I would suggest a centralisation mechanic which boost commerce, mercenary availability and prices for smaller nation with less than 10 locations to boost them a little bit and avoid a seal clubbing situation. Don't get me wrong big nation will most likely win but at least they have a small fighting chance if mercenaries and economics is a little boosted to compensate. Furthermore i would like to see how the will manage naval combat.
Itd be nice if Paradox and Creative Assembly collaborated on a game. CA can do combat really well, and Paradox can do the political/storytelling side of things better.
All in all, my biggest hope for EU5 is late game being decently playable. Having a top of the line rig assembled this year and EU4 speed 5 still slows down to an unfun degree during lull phases of the game when you're just building up and managing your provinces and economy around the early 1600's. CK3 speed 5, for comparison, just flies off the rails. Fingers crossed the later stages of the game get some attention in terms of mechanical functionality, so far the diaries look good and it might even be a playable Paradox game on launch, which is a paradox in an of itself.
so i dot mind the reinforce system but i feel like there needs to be more possibilities to reinforce cause think about it you hold and enemy province with access to a port and then you also have control of the sea area you should be able to reinforce or if you occupied a province that either has a land connection to you or another allied war participant or if it over seas along as you have sea control and a port and a province bordering completely controlled territory you should be able to but it shouldn't be available till more modern combat cause that wasn't really a thing till you start to get closer to the Napoleonic era also it should have a malice to account for reinforcing troops traveling over the seas or even though it's completely occupied enemy lands its still enemy territory and you have hostile locals unfamiliar territory or enemy remnants causing some slight issues like the resistance system in hoi4
I'm really hoping for the flanking by reinforce on the map but a comment from johan said something like "an army reinforcing another goes to reserve. Reserve use the skill correct section chance to get instantly in the right place on the battle rather waiting another tick"
I'll pretend to have understand everything, this game is going to be so complicated omg. Waiting for Ludi videos when the game is out, before anything else.
there is no information about manually moving a unit in a separated screen of the battle, there is no performance impact in 12 ticks per day, because this ticks are ONLY for units moving to another location or battle calculations, the rest only uses day ticks or monthly tick
There should be literal supply lines implemented, like a series of connected controlled provinces to represent the supply line where the reinforcement is comming from. Be able to reinforce in a controlled province makes no sense if its not connected to your capital through neutral, allied or cored provinces where your pops could go through to reinforce.
Not sure if this is a good idea for playability but I can see how having shorter days, thus, shorter combat in winter could be enjoyable because you need to apply different strategies depending on the time of the year.
I hope that armies will also require guns, clothes and whatnot to replenish, therefore supply depots will also serve to hold other important war supplies, as they are in real life, imagine you capture a supply depot and gain a big stockpile of weapons, food, cannons and clothing for your army
I think we won't have manpower as in EU4 anymore, which I like. Instead, I think there will be a system where basically EU4's manpower recovery rate is distributed among armies being enforced.
I feel like the whole thing with morale loss with moving armies is going to make defensive playstyle the norm and punish anyone going in any offense. I can see the AI abusing this quite a bit.
Imagine the game with the economy system fron Victorya, the diplomacy from EU, the battle system from Total War. I guess we will forget who the women are (I doubt we ever know) and what a touch of the grass is (some of us might remember it even now)/
I would like to point out that there were a few historical occasions of armies having to fight eachother at night but I suppose it's too rare to be implemented as a consistent feature
Ah Paradox, you can make it even easier. Just make the same game in different periods and sell them as separate games. Then add dlc titled "diplomacy", "economy", "warfare" for 30 bucks each.
I know its early to ask me being only 1/3 through the video, but will combat initiate when both troops land on the same tile, or will their be like fighting between armies on tiles, perhaps with a contesting effect on the province being attacked. Or is it just the EU4 style where combat starts when an army moves onto a location hosting an enemy army. Im just thinking, with a map so detailed, microing units on the tiles themselves might be all thats needed (instead of some kind of battle/combat screen, which i suppose also could be cool) Like defending tiles could be contested, you could implement flank bonuses etc. idk. But lets be honest, the biggest downside of a more detailed combat system like this is the impact it will have on Multiplayer performance. I get the sense any TW style battle would have to be auto-simulated similar to the TW option to simulate/autoresolve the battles.... The battles need to be done in a way that wont make gameplay too slow for others in MP. I also really like them dedicating a certain amount of time to rest, this should hella slow down expansion, which is good i think.
If they do that, we should have a limit on the amount of fortresses, or at least make them super unaffordable. with so many MORE provinces, battlefield losses causes pop losses, and the whole supply chain requirements for military we cant let mid/late game Europe turn into forts everywhere like we do now in eu4.
The problem with this complex combat system is, that the KI will never ever been able to use it successfully! There is no KI that will be able to deal with this.... sad but true...
I really doubt we'll see anything more than Ck3's combat system. Some kind of multi-faceted system with armies coming from each side and battle orders has never been Paradox's way, and seems to me that it would enormously slow down the gameplay, and make the game way too micro intensive for most players
there is absolutely no evidence to suggest anyone should be hyped for this game. paradox has fumbled so many projects in a row that we should be approaching this only with skepticism. I will not preorder or buy this goose right out of the bag. I'll be waiting for reviews from people who aren't fanboys who stop in the middle of their videos to say "I NEED TO PLAY IT I NEED IT I NEED IT" like a baby shouting for a rattle. that's harsh. I like Ludi and his coverage, but jesus man. the shill is strong with this video
I think they should consider some realism like you cant fight with 30-40 regiments in a line in limited space e.g. narrow mountain passes, etc. Also seiging should be made better than eu4...we dont want to be stuck on just 74% atleast increase it every turn for a whole year (right ludi?😅) maybe a constant bombardment button that will consume 'stuff' (something important) on regular basis to keep on like forced march button in eu4 that consumes mil mana every tile. On the other hand a siege of a fort adjacent to sea tile should go on for 'years' if not blocaded navaly. Also not just infantry,cavalry, artillery but specialised forces like light infantry for hilly terrains, heavy artillery for seiging, light cavalry and heavy cavalry... Presence of some kind of artillery in a province adjacent to which sea tile a naval battle is occuring should also give a negative modifier to enemy fleet. Also not that time is slowed down, there should be no pause button but maybe swap it for really slow time like 1minute in game time for 1sec irl time thus time never stops for anyone and battles will be very interesting cuz if you are not fast enough, you can lose a winning battle. Also i WANT forced march...i too want to defeat my enemies just by marching like Napoleon 😅
Personally, I find it silly for 2 armies who are in the same province to immediately fight each other. While the Victoria 3 army system can give me a small heart attack when it suddenly redeploys my 100 regiment army to a front a continent away, I do like that armies must advance inside the province before a battle begins.
in the Middle Ages, every battle was called a divine judgement, because the outcome was uncertain even for the stronger party. man to man combat should have been avoided every time. So a total war like system would be much better suitied with a flavor of general personality, than the eu4 system.
bizarre to have (i think) supply lines but also zone of control? zone of control is just a shitty abstraction for the fact that both foraging and supply lines are untenable near enemy fortifications. just remove zone of control and use the less abstract supply mechanics. he can't say zone of control is for the AI's sake since it's already in the game that it disappears with tech.
people make their own multiplayer rules, if you NEED to play at 1 speed to play out the battles properly, then multiplayer will just force the ai to handle all of it to keep the speed above 1.
30:16 When I saw Płock on this screenshot I was afraid how you will butcher it. And yet, you surprise me, because it is worse than I could imagine. Płock is pronounce [pwotsk] - if you know how to read IPA then it is [pwɔt͡sk]
do the AI also suffer from the moral and food costs as the player? as the ottomans, having half of Europe WALK all the way to the Balkans during an early game crusade would be less likely to happen, or they would and just be dead by the time they get there. likewise, allies being farther away without fleet support would be nearly impossible. bohemia can get to and fight Austria or Brandenburg, but would be extremely difficult to go fight Russia, France, or the ottomans. while England/GB could be able to strike any costal province without nearly as much a problem.
history knows of forced recruitment in areas not belonging to the state, Frederick the Great during the Seven Years' War incorporated Saxon prisoners into the Prussian army. He also kidnapped recrutiers from Poland. I think there should be such a decision, e.g. at the cost of temporarily lowering morale in the army, manpower from the territory belonging to the enemy can be used
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The left flank, center, right flank system actually makes me think of Crusader Kings 2's combat since they had the same setup.
Reinventing the wheel to be honest
Same as Imperator, too, but yeah, CK2 was before
@@SirBalageGliterally just borrowing, not reinventing
i liked it, especially when playing nomads, but even when playing tribal it was so satisfying to look at all these arrows beating feudal heavy infantry, it made me feel so powerful at times.
Ludi, what you said in the beginning of being able to choose the "weapon" of the regiment. I think it will apply, kinda. Because they said there will be many kinds of units. And those units could be people armed with bows, swords, lances, flintlocks. Because there will be the "production methods" for the buildings that you will create in order to create regiments. So while they may not differenciate the goods, being weapons for all of units, for example, the more powerful units probably consume more material. So if your economy can't handle 10 k flintlocks units, you may create 5 k flintlock units and 5 k archers, for example.
bro that;s what i hope so too
Considering salpeter & lead are resources, maybe you'll also need considering how much ammo you can produce, lest your troops lose much of their effectiveness
That would be a good way to promote playing tall too; develop your economy to support much better troops in decent quantity.
Maybe it's tied to where an army's HQ is, e.g., if your space marine regiment 1 was recruited in Berlin, it will be equipped with whatever is available through said location/province
@@realpatrik yeah, that is what I hope is the case
I’m glad they’re making warfare more alike imperator, i think a lot of people simply don’t play late game eu4 because army management is hell
i honestly love imperator combat
We could call it a character's power level to make Johan happy. The power level impacts the amount of mana - uh, I mean Ki - a character has.
I think that they said that the tick will move per hour, because there are many more, smaller locations on the map compared to EU4 and days are just not precise enough. But the system will be exactly the same as EU4, but because the map is made out of smaller location, you need to have more frequent ticks to get the same level of control as in EU4. At least that is how I understood it. I didn't see anything suggesting you could actually manage the your troops at the unit level during the battle like total war.
I love how imperator is used as a good example so many times, yet, its mostly abandoned and still the most underated game from paradox.
"Almost a copy of eu4"
That's the only thing I wanna hear, to hell with Vicky 3
As a player that never played Vicky 2 and dont know even what it looks like, and has started Vicky 3 after 1.5, its a good game you know? Its only getting better
fax vicky 3 has the worst war system
@@simoncolin5939 The game is not bad but the war system is just dog shit it makes no fun and its buggy especially when the fronts split or when you do a naval invasion
@simoncolin5939 then play vic2 and see why warfare is a lot more fun in 2
The funiest shit are people on Vicky 3 forum and reddit that constantly cope that Victoria 3 warfare system is good and "iT's nOT A GaMe about wARfeR bUT eConOmy!!11". Tell them that warfare sucks and they will downvote you to oblivion.
I actually dont think that paradox will let us do anything to our units mid-combat, as paradox themselves said, they choice of hourly ticks is explained by reduced province size, meaning that you probably are able to travel through multiple provinces within a single day which requires to adopt hourly ticks instead of daily ticks. Management of battles is also very difficult to imagine or do, especially when there are several battles going on at the same time and/or in multiplayer.
I love how they're taking inspiration from older titles like March of the Eagles
I am more interested in the logistics and sieges dev post
Ludi, "Płock" should sound a bit like "Puotsk". In Polish, you roughly say each letter separately (except these: 1) "rz" like French "j", 2) "sz" like "sh", 3) "cz" like "ch" in "chat" and 4) "ch" is "h")
Bro that shits to complicated man 😭 just speak portuguese already
21:05 you can, and Johan knows you can, because that IS the plan. The purpose of this change is to not let you teleport a good general from Spain to China and back every 5 seconds
Though, only 1 year of cooldown shouldn't be that much of a problem...
Dang this sounds really good. Thx for covering this Ludi!
Not the same combat system as Vic 3?
Praise the heavens for this blessing
Feels like its gonna be a much more of a challenge finally for those who like to play wide
The best part of hour ticks is combat not taking weeks and allowing enemy armies from across their country to reinforce.
Day 16 of actualizing the reality of the fact that there is no EU5 - only Project Cesar!
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hopefully this project doesn't get stabbed in the back by a million dlcs
@@Idontknowwhattocallmyself et tu paradox?
Some things I'd like to see :
1 - Real units for garrisons, therefore three maintenance levels for forts, mothballed, empty, full. Also, whenever, you take a fort from an enemy, you should have to leave a garrison there in order to control the zone of control.
2 - Ability to intercept enemy logistics and to raid storage depots / supply ships.
3 - Instead of infantry / cavalry / artillery to have a total number of soldiers, a total number of horses / camels / elephants, and the number of specialised units (cavalry, artillery, medics, etc). This way every cavalry and artillery unit would be able to become a regular infantry, but not necessarily the other way around. Let's say you have breached the walls of a castle but don't have enough infantry. Simply dismount the horses and let the cannons rest while everyone takes a sword, spear or a rifle. That could of course give the enemy the ability to steal your horses or sabotage your artillery, so you'd still have to leave some guys behind.
4 - Population per location / province with details about their ages, cultures, religions and skills (or profession). Mobilising different groups for war would have certain effects on the location, province, nation and the army itself.
5 - A completely different culture conversion mechanism, based on population management. Having the ability to move people of a culture from a place (location, province, state, etc) to another. Having the ability to promote certain cultures (not just your primary one) in certain places. Having the ability to move certain radical people in or out of a place, bribe them, reform them, imprison them or even execute them, with each action having an effect on the populace. And I think there shouldn't be a promoted culture menu at all, but these should be done through stuff like official language, opening of schools, promoting of officials and population management.
This game is going to roast my macbook air. This is going to be the most expensive game ive ever going to buy since ill have to get a PC
Why are you playing on a MacBook in the first place 😅😅?
I’ve been saying for years that the ultimate strategy game would have the character elements of CK, the nation managing and balance elements of EU, and the battle elements of Total War series.
Seriously I would pay 100$ without hesitation.
That's base game and 2 dlc only 😉
March to the Sound of the Guns is a feature from the Paradox title March of the Eagles
this game is going to be the game of all games
Your room looks nice. It's a good upgrade, Ludi.
Having ticks represent different lengths of time depending on game speed is crazy. I love how dynamic this engine is!
I do not agree. I believe they chose hours rather than days because of the length of battles in eu4, the battles lasted weeks and months, and it was possible to recruit and add new units to the battle because they lasted so long. With the new system, battles will be much shorter in days. No total war battles sorry.
I think those mechanics will lead to years and decades of ongoing wars with months and years where no engagement happens. And I like this idea very much, because a more stable country might be able to out-wait a stronger attacker if they have internal problems...
I like that too. I was worried the 100 years war would last only 10 years if the player is fighting It.
What I really really want (but is probably a bridge too far) is to *actually* be able to pull off a Cannae and encircle your enemy's army if you have a god-tier general and better flanks even if your centre is weaker and outnumbered. Having flanks who hopefully can wheel around, smash into the sides of your enemies' centre and scatter/break his reserves is already an enormous step forward compared to EU4's "two static lines shooting at each other WW1-style" system though, so as long as the flanks can actually, you know, FLANK, I will be beyond happy.
6:37 "urugurubaraguruburu" 🐒
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Thank you, Ludi, for the video!
This was literally what was needed for historical wars/campaigns. Cant wait to test it out
I have been waiting one week for this video and you finally upload it on my birthday! Thanks ludi.
Happy birthday!
Love you Ludi!!
I have been asking ! (Commenting at 10 second video) Thank you !
Great channel I love it
I'm at work just listening with earbuds and yelled "oh fuck yeah" when you said food can be taken from defeated enemies. All of this sounds fantastic. I really enjoy realistic logistics and army movement.
also good about instant gaming is if the key in really really really rare instances doesn't work you get you money back, i bought dozens if not hundreds of games and especially DLCs through it and it only happened twice to me and i always got my money back
i believe that they go to counting hours to not do something unrealistic with travel time, if crossing each part of province would take few days army would need maybe years to cross through dense regions, so counting down to hours can fix that
It would be really cool to see some kind of supply or food mechanic also in besieged castles.
Damn I'm early glad to be here love to hear your insights on the tinto talks.
I am a bit sceptical about the hours. How are things going to evolove in multiplayer. If some players are at war it might slow down the entire game to hours to let them properly play their battle at the expense of other players not doing anything. Also this all trade goods and replenishement part is very very unforgiving for small nations. I don't really understand yet how a small nation in the game will be able to compete with a larger nation. To me it seems a smaller nation can no longer access quality to match the quantity of larger nation because of the trade goods. A large nation will be able to produce so much more trade goods to reinforce its armies whereas the smaller nation will have no trade goods, very few levies and a super small place to replenish. I would suggest a centralisation mechanic which boost commerce, mercenary availability and prices for smaller nation with less than 10 locations to boost them a little bit and avoid a seal clubbing situation. Don't get me wrong big nation will most likely win but at least they have a small fighting chance if mercenaries and economics is a little boosted to compensate.
Furthermore i would like to see how the will manage naval combat.
I will listen intently while I’m at work tomorrow morning
the first 30 seconds is all I needed to hear, this is a victory for all eu4 enjoyers out here!
Itd be nice if Paradox and Creative Assembly collaborated on a game. CA can do combat really well, and Paradox can do the political/storytelling side of things better.
All in all, my biggest hope for EU5 is late game being decently playable. Having a top of the line rig assembled this year and EU4 speed 5 still slows down to an unfun degree during lull phases of the game when you're just building up and managing your provinces and economy around the early 1600's. CK3 speed 5, for comparison, just flies off the rails. Fingers crossed the later stages of the game get some attention in terms of mechanical functionality, so far the diaries look good and it might even be a playable Paradox game on launch, which is a paradox in an of itself.
Eu4 gestion + Total war Real time battle = the ultimate map staring video game.
so i dot mind the reinforce system but i feel like there needs to be more possibilities to reinforce cause think about it you hold and enemy province with access to a port and then you also have control of the sea area you should be able to reinforce or if you occupied a province that either has a land connection to you or another allied war participant or if it over seas along as you have sea control and a port and a province bordering completely controlled territory you should be able to but it shouldn't be available till more modern combat cause that wasn't really a thing till you start to get closer to the Napoleonic era also it should have a malice to account for reinforcing troops traveling over the seas or even though it's completely occupied enemy lands its still enemy territory and you have hostile locals unfamiliar territory or enemy remnants causing some slight issues like the resistance system in hoi4
Super excited for this game
I'm really hoping for the flanking by reinforce on the map but a comment from johan said something like
"an army reinforcing another goes to reserve. Reserve use the skill correct section chance to get instantly in the right place on the battle rather waiting another tick"
I'll pretend to have understand everything, this game is going to be so complicated omg. Waiting for Ludi videos when the game is out, before anything else.
What about looting food? Many armies lived largely by pillaging well into the renaissance.
there is no information about manually moving a unit in a separated screen of the battle, there is no performance impact in 12 ticks per day, because this ticks are ONLY for units moving to another location or battle calculations, the rest only uses day ticks or monthly tick
There should be literal supply lines implemented, like a series of connected controlled provinces to represent the supply line where the reinforcement is comming from. Be able to reinforce in a controlled province makes no sense if its not connected to your capital through neutral, allied or cored provinces where your pops could go through to reinforce.
No foraging for food mechanic? That’s huge and normal part of war.
Not sure if this is a good idea for playability but I can see how having shorter days, thus, shorter combat in winter could be enjoyable because you need to apply different strategies depending on the time of the year.
I knew you'd get around to instant gaming one day
I'd like battle plans (drawing on the map) like hoi4 so you can both micro and automate
The job is simple, make eu4 but better. Although many quadriple A companies failed to understand this.
I hope that armies will also require guns, clothes and whatnot to replenish, therefore supply depots will also serve to hold other important war supplies, as they are in real life, imagine you capture a supply depot and gain a big stockpile of weapons, food, cannons and clothing for your army
0:56 paradox selling us on the dlc subscription system over buying dlcs
If this game comes as Johan claims than it will be legendary
"that's just how i think will work" so is basically official information becouse ludi is right the 100% of the time he's not wrong
I think we won't have manpower as in EU4 anymore, which I like. Instead, I think there will be a system where basically EU4's manpower recovery rate is distributed among armies being enforced.
A mod allows playing CK3 battles in Bannerlord. I hope a similar mod is made for EU5.
I feel like the whole thing with morale loss with moving armies is going to make defensive playstyle the norm and punish anyone going in any offense. I can see the AI abusing this quite a bit.
Hours because the realistic travel time between locations would be hours
Imagine the game with the economy system fron Victorya, the diplomacy from EU, the battle system from Total War. I guess we will forget who the women are (I doubt we ever know) and what a touch of the grass is (some of us might remember it even now)/
I would like to point out that there were a few historical occasions of armies having to fight eachother at night but I suppose it's too rare to be implemented as a consistent feature
Ah Paradox, you can make it even easier. Just make the same game in different periods and sell them as separate games. Then add dlc titled "diplomacy", "economy", "warfare" for 30 bucks each.
Isn't that just the CK2 combat system?
with extra steps!
I know its early to ask me being only 1/3 through the video, but will combat initiate when both troops land on the same tile, or will their be like fighting between armies on tiles, perhaps with a contesting effect on the province being attacked.
Or is it just the EU4 style where combat starts when an army moves onto a location hosting an enemy army.
Im just thinking, with a map so detailed, microing units on the tiles themselves might be all thats needed (instead of some kind of battle/combat screen, which i suppose also could be cool) Like defending tiles could be contested, you could implement flank bonuses etc. idk.
But lets be honest, the biggest downside of a more detailed combat system like this is the impact it will have on Multiplayer performance. I get the sense any TW style battle would have to be auto-simulated similar to the TW option to simulate/autoresolve the battles.... The battles need to be done in a way that wont make gameplay too slow for others in MP.
I also really like them dedicating a certain amount of time to rest, this should hella slow down expansion, which is good i think.
I would like the siege of good fortresses to take years as history has shown us!
that likely will happen
If they do that, we should have a limit on the amount of fortresses, or at least make them super unaffordable. with so many MORE provinces, battlefield losses causes pop losses, and the whole supply chain requirements for military we cant let mid/late game Europe turn into forts everywhere like we do now in eu4.
Ludi could you please link the tinto talk/map when talking about it going forward? thankss
Amazing features. But will it be fun? 🤔
The problem with this complex combat system is, that the KI will never ever been able to use it successfully! There is no KI that will be able to deal with this.... sad but true...
I Just Hope eu5 will be released right between the end of 3rd World War and the start of the Alien Invasion...so we can really enjoy it
Can we talk more about the Vic 3 combat system first? I feel like they NEED to fix that
@@Da__goat i agree
Your conclusion for why they would use hours as smallest tick is pretty abstract
A simple but nice battle system could be found in the game spartan from 2004. This system could be scaled down into a fun minigame?
Ludi Bro! Are you going to have Paradox remove the +70% siege progress minimum for you, personally, to win the siege 1,000 days later?
I was waiting for this
I really doubt we'll see anything more than Ck3's combat system. Some kind of multi-faceted system with armies coming from each side and battle orders has never been Paradox's way, and seems to me that it would enormously slow down the gameplay, and make the game way too micro intensive for most players
there is absolutely no evidence to suggest anyone should be hyped for this game. paradox has fumbled so many projects in a row that we should be approaching this only with skepticism. I will not preorder or buy this goose right out of the bag. I'll be waiting for reviews from people who aren't fanboys who stop in the middle of their videos to say "I NEED TO PLAY IT I NEED IT I NEED IT" like a baby shouting for a rattle.
that's harsh. I like Ludi and his coverage, but jesus man. the shill is strong with this video
I think they should consider some realism like you cant fight with 30-40 regiments in a line in limited space e.g. narrow mountain passes, etc.
Also seiging should be made better than eu4...we dont want to be stuck on just 74% atleast increase it every turn for a whole year (right ludi?😅) maybe a constant bombardment button that will consume 'stuff' (something important) on regular basis to keep on like forced march button in eu4 that consumes mil mana every tile.
On the other hand a siege of a fort adjacent to sea tile should go on for 'years' if not blocaded navaly.
Also not just infantry,cavalry, artillery but specialised forces like light infantry for hilly terrains, heavy artillery for seiging, light cavalry and heavy cavalry...
Presence of some kind of artillery in a province adjacent to which sea tile a naval battle is occuring should also give a negative modifier to enemy fleet.
Also not that time is slowed down, there should be no pause button but maybe swap it for really slow time like 1minute in game time for 1sec irl time thus time never stops for anyone and battles will be very interesting cuz if you are not fast enough, you can lose a winning battle.
Also i WANT forced march...i too want to defeat my enemies just by marching like Napoleon 😅
Hey, could make a comment on why South America is cut in half?
The supply depots system is great. Does this mean if you take the enemy supply depots they will start attritioning more? Mybe lose morale too
But can you wall off your provinces using supply depots and can they be lowered or raised to allow units to pass?
Wait. The reinforce stuff means that allied armies are gonna consume resources in your lands to reinforce their armies. Right?
No, but they'll consume food just being in your territory if you've agreed to it
1:36 SPACE MARINE !!!
Needing buildings to create units is a very TW thing.
yup
@@LudietHistoria next step would be different buildings supporting different units.
The battles taking weeks and months have to end. Hours long to improve the tactic side of the game
Personally, I find it silly for 2 armies who are in the same province to immediately fight each other. While the Victoria 3 army system can give me a small heart attack when it suddenly redeploys my 100 regiment army to a front a continent away, I do like that armies must advance inside the province before a battle begins.
in the Middle Ages, every battle was called a divine judgement, because the outcome was uncertain even for the stronger party. man to man combat should have been avoided every time. So a total war like system would be much better suitied with a flavor of general personality, than the eu4 system.
The video is here 🥳
bizarre to have (i think) supply lines but also zone of control? zone of control is just a shitty abstraction for the fact that both foraging and supply lines are untenable near enemy fortifications. just remove zone of control and use the less abstract supply mechanics. he can't say zone of control is for the AI's sake since it's already in the game that it disappears with tech.
Makes me a bit scared to play multiplayer. Wont the game take ages if people will always play on the slowest speed in wars?
people make their own multiplayer rules, if you NEED to play at 1 speed to play out the battles properly, then multiplayer will just force the ai to handle all of it to keep the speed above 1.
30:16 When I saw Płock on this screenshot I was afraid how you will butcher it. And yet, you surprise me, because it is worse than I could imagine. Płock is pronounce [pwotsk] - if you know how to read IPA then it is [pwɔt͡sk]
I want Eu4 ludi please
coming bro
trust the plan
do the AI also suffer from the moral and food costs as the player? as the ottomans, having half of Europe WALK all the way to the Balkans during an early game crusade would be less likely to happen, or they would and just be dead by the time they get there. likewise, allies being farther away without fleet support would be nearly impossible. bohemia can get to and fight Austria or Brandenburg, but would be extremely difficult to go fight Russia, France, or the ottomans. while England/GB could be able to strike any costal province without nearly as much a problem.
dont think Ludi will have a 50 years german borders as brandenburg in EU5
history knows of forced recruitment in areas not belonging to the state, Frederick the Great during the Seven Years' War incorporated Saxon prisoners into the Prussian army. He also kidnapped recrutiers from Poland. I think there should be such a decision, e.g. at the cost of temporarily lowering morale in the army, manpower from the territory belonging to the enemy can be used