VESC is now better than a Onewheel
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2022
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It's great that the float community is steadily becoming free from the shackles of FM. Knowing that you'll have readily available repairs and upgrades without the proprietary FM shenanigans is a huge plus. Keep these improvements coming!!
Yup, not only that but you could have spare parts for weekend trips, it makes more risk to board tricks available, im 100% sure I could land an impossible on onewheel, but not making the entire rotation = brain of the board taking a direct Smash.. so i don't try ( often )
Yep F ‘eM
Free of the shackles, you just gotta own one of their completes. 🤷
@@decipheringtruth3896 So, to build a VESC, we need to get a One Wheel first?
@@BellyUpFish You could buy one with a broken controller but Third Parties are starting to sell their own kits. In the near future we'll be able to continue the sport we love without having to deal with Future Motion and its scummy practices at all
I'm really looking forward to a vesc build guide. The thing that's had me hesitant about vesc is I want my hobby to be riding, and not tinkering with a build.
half of the fun is putting it together. if you dont like it, maybe playing with dolls is more your style
@@Blox117 Wow. Why ahole for no reason. He wants to ride, not build.
@@Blox117 Half of playing with dolls is putting them together
@@Juiceboxer0 is it? I don't play with dolls
@@Blox117 we could do with a lot less of you in this world
I rode a VESC last weekend and all I can say is WOW, what a beast that XR was. You can crawl up steep, uneven terrain from a dead stop! An amazing riding experience! Can't wait to get mine.
This is the future for certain for all serious riders. Good on you for also calling out FM and their relentless BS
I can't wait to build my own VESC, my XR's battery and BMS are dead, I'm french and I don't want and don't have the money to send it back to FM. I'am so frustrated and disapointed by FM's politic, and GT got so much problems that I don't trust it. I'am waiting for some money to make the convertion and go back to shredd my board !! :D
How many miles on your XR?
I am so glad that we live in the future.
I am trying my best to break my bords to have the excuse to VESC it and give one WTF rails.
What a beautiful glimpse into the future!
Wow Jake! That was awesome riding and a great speech about vesc
Great video! I'm super geeked to try "VESC'ing" my spare XR one day. The ideas you mentioned like hot swapping batteries, ultra customized ride specs, it's just amazing. Float on!
Thanks for the video Jake. Well laid out and very exciting to see it and hear it from you. I agree with your opinions and am excited to try VESC! Good work!!!
Thanks Jake. Preciate the honestly and all your time researching I know this is a lot of work.
I’ve never thought about how the XRs are tuned to only a Vega🤯 I mean it makes complete sense. That’s what’s great about custom wheels, tuning them depending on exactly how they’re built. Rad video Jake, Thanks!
so great... thank you tons for your content as always jake! can't wait to see more vesc breakdowns and builds. currently rocking with Pint + GT40 mod since my XR broke over a year ago. just biting my time until its go time for VESC!
Really happy to see how VESC has grown this year to offer a competent alternative. We really need that and I can't wait to try it! I'd love to fine-tune my setup. And things like posi should have been available as options via software all along.
Looking forward to the “VESCing an XR” video! Great content on this video!
Dude, your narration has gotten so much better! Love it!
Thanks man this one was actually scripted and recorded with a microphone, lotta the recent ones are off the cuff and recorded into my phone or laptop
4:10-4:20 is what I do like 70% of the time lol. Love riding that edge! You can almost dance with the thing!
@@erikagrey1384 absolutely. I'm on to 720s and 1080s lol. Future motion firmware doesn't allow stuff like that, ur nose would hit the ground almost immediately...
I actually posted on Facebook about the smallest figure 8 record (not an established record i dont think but i sure wanted to try ha), and I was using a "vesc cheat" apparently 😆
@@erikagrey1384 go to 40:25 on this video and Wren talks about it a bit more
ruclips.net/video/PcVFjQUQwG0/видео.html
Welcome to the club Jake 😁
Been stock piling all these motors for exactly this!
muahahaha
You should totally do a break down of the parts of your vesc. Also cost break down and possibly how to build one.
I would love a video like you describe
Wow Jake, those are REALLY great news!
I just started following for your balance and foot health videos but I've also been considering an PEV for the first time and learning about this open source modding community has me even more stoked about the one wheel. Thank you!
I just started and feel like I got into onewheel at exactly the right time.
I rode a VESC yesterday briefly for the first time. It had me cackling like a madman, mostly because of the tight turning Jake mentions. I'm not ditching my GT, but I am looking at my XR thinking hmmm....
I fkin love this video, your commentary of truth & I Love the quickly blooming potential of VESC❗️
I'm glad you changed your mind on VESC.
Thank You! I need to have this, there's no question! Thanks for turning me on to this!!
This is an amazing video, makes me want to start building a VESC for the future
but how?
Love the video dude, we're definitely at a turning point, it's exciting stuff! I've always been one to avoid trying to overhype things out of bias, and instead try to stay realistic and critical where I can be. And after Mitch's fix and dialing my tune, I can very confidently say that I enjoy VESC firmware more than FM, by a decent margin. It's not just hype. Stoked to see where things are headed and be along for the ride 🤙
Side note, because of some obscure issue, we haven't even been able to get the TFL board up and running with my preferred tune (using Yaw P set to 0.6), which for me was a game changer in allowing all my FM muscle memory for things like bonks and what not to transfer over. So I'm stoked for you to get to try that out when you get your board up and running.
Ohh I’ll have to try that setting. Thanks again for helping me make this video and trail blazing for the rest of us!
Likely due to gyro signal noise.
Where can I purchase a VSEC?
Stoked!!
This is great, amazing that it’s almost to the point of switching the controller and boom, you’re set.
Best summary Jake, let’s go vescwheel !
I’m so glad I found your channel.
Nice one Jake, hopefully you'll have your own VESC soon :)
Good stuff, brother! I am finally getting into VESC myself, with Makers PEV being my local homies. I’m ordering the 84v CBCSO battery and starting all my homework learning how to step into this arena. Love seeing vids like this from well known community pillars like the professor!
where do you buy these things?
@@reazmonrow8690 Makers PEV sells the controller, the Little FOCer, in different bundles depending on your price point and technical skill level. Fully assembled flowglider box bundle is easiest but most expensinve. Batteries can be sourced from multiple places now, but you can use stock XR battery and extended range (CBXR, JWXR) without modifying the battery box. I went with highest power possible but had to modify my box a bit. There are many options out there to get started!
@@onedadonewheel Thank you so much. I have ridden for a while now I would say I am in the low range. I can mount curbs, jumps, below 5 feet. Right now, I just want to ride. My BMS fried on my XR so, anything with range and a built in BMS would be ideal. I got my XR right b4 they did away with them but never got to ride it as the board came faulty. Can you provide me with a website to order from?
Nice. Well I am still at a loss... The only thing wrong with my board other than it never really working correctly is the original BMS is fried. I thought JW batteries was going to sale me one as they said they had them however when I go to inquire on price the story changed. Now all I want and need to know is what do I need to bypass the bms all together or what setup I can buy under 500 hopefully. Any thoughts or suggestions?
That was a really well-done and informative voice-over.
like with everything open-source is the way to go, love that type of video, keep it up !
Glad I found this video. Thanks for alerting me to an open source alternative! Perfect!
so stoked on this!
Looking forward to the follow up video 👊❤
Great vid man!
Great video and comments. I'm lurking on those boards since long here in Europe, but i was resigned of getting one because of the contemptuous Future Motion's policy towards its customers. I'm super enthousiast to learn there is now an open source alternative 😃🥳
Thank you! A non biased review finally! New subscriber right here in the UK. Cheers ears 👂
Well said Jake. You’re spot on -o-
This looks sick!
You wanna try one?
Love your videos, this one is amazing like the others. Please show how you work your vesc/settings when you do get around to it... I really want to see how you tackle it and test your new config.
Will do! Coming soon when I get my VESC
Open source? Hell yeah. On it on it. Thanks for the headsup.
LOOOOVE that its open source. Collaboration is one of our most powerful assets, no matter what you ride.
Sweet, psyched. Well done on the constructive criticism too.
The VESC is essentially a controller upgrade NOT specific for the onewheel but for many applications including long boards, scooters or anything electric with motors. The software is the hard part as its open sourced for any applications, in this case the onewheel. The XR may have more power than the GT (with Vesc) but the GT is capable of putting out as much or more power with a vesc. The more heat you can disipate, the more power you can run, this is the limiting factor although the more power you run, the faster your battery will drain so this is important to note if you like that raw torque, it comes at a cost.
If they can get the software to a good spot, itll be a fairly easy upgrade and software upload. I cant wait to see where this goes, i wanted to put a VESC in my scooter but they dont currently have any good display options and few ports for necessary buttons/switches. I would love to put one in my GT when they get this dialed in...
Did you put one in your GT? Just ordered one today lol
@@yodojo3493 Nah, my GT has enough power for my 140lb frame. I would be more interested in using the Vesc or similar to upgrade my scooters rather than my onewheel tbh
Glad to see when I wanna upgrade my XR when necessary I’ll have options
The problem with FM is that they are a product driven company, not an innovator or engineering focused innovator. Their product is what it is. It is not going to drastically change so all they can do a this point is exactly what you said: keep others out of the space. Looking forward to see where VESC goes. I refuse to buy a OneWheel due to all of the safety issues I have heard about.
👍🏾🙏🏾 Love it!😎
" VESC is the NOW "
Going on Tshirt with onewheel board on bottom, selling it on Etsy 😁
The person who makes VESC easy to install is going to make a lot of money if they decide to sell there expertise, the onewheel community will jump on this so quickly because we really want other options.
The metal controller boxes will make it very easy to assemble. Settings up the firmware will always in an in progress aspect.
Well said Jake, long live the xr 👊
Awesome! Time to hunt down scrap parts to assemble my own!
You can literally make a belt drive ow out of junk
One of the things I love about the GT is no more range anxiety. I'm hoping I can get a vesc setup that gives all these features with good range for the heavy guys like me.
Yea I'm a big guy I had to give up my xr after a couple nose bites it wasn't worth it to me.
@@ClintByrne yeah I haven't nosed dive by accident ever since I got the GT. The XR I was doing it all the time at my weight
@@DJCheLu that's good to hear but I've been burnt already!
I'm still with my boosted for now.
Maybe one day I'll try again.
I’ve been thinking about getting a One Wheel but after hearing about the “Ejection Problem” have held off. I’m 79 years old and just had my right shoulder replaced and don’t want to try an ejection. Thanks for letting me know there may be options.
Shout out to The Float Life!
THE STOKE IS REAL!!!!!! im bout to get on my VESC ish
Very nice camera work. That person is a pro.
That’s Jeff! We took turns, I filmed him doing his ride on @TheFloatLife channel
Here's to Shredwheelz
Nice that more and more riders agree this is it now! Also, with some additional mods you can make your VESC XR legal to fly and join events anywhere!
How would you go about making it legal to fly with? I mean, don't you have to remove the battery as airlines don't allow lithium batteries in planes?
@@maynarddrivesfast804 Check out the VXwheel design. It features easy to remove splittable battery packs. Till now this was a totally custom board design, while recently I made this feature to fit the XR for easy conversion. Many details are yet to be uploaded on youtube shortly..
VESC LFG!!!
Hope you will get to that vesc build series by winter. Not sure I want to breakdown my board in the summer/fall. Big fan of your videos!
It’s like maybe onewheel/FM will see this and listen…. But they just don’t seem to care at all. It’s like once you pay them for the board they see you as obsolete. It’s sad really, they have such a passionate community but they don’t appreciate it.
So rad to think about the future. I agree with a lot of your comments but don't agree with a few. I have an XR and am looking forward to your build vids. There will always be room for FM as they offer a warranty and have a good name in the community.
Warranty hahaha! It's such low mileage it's pointless. I'd rather buy a used onewheel than hive them any money too
As for a good name, you must be new. Most hate them for their practices attacking the community and preventing us from repairing our stuff. Great to leave them behind
I chose not to purchase the GT being that I could not justify spending the money for what seemed like minor improvements with the new model. I am stoked that the community has given me something to look forward to in improving my XR. Excited to here the VESC will improve the carvability and range. The only other things I would like to see improve is the acceleration, top speed and torque. Im sure that will improve in time with better batteries coming out in the future.
Looks like my future upgrades may be vesc
I’m waiting for my vesc controller I’m hyped as F
Great video, something a little counter intuitive, but if you slow down your torque tiltback (increase the filtering), it will actually allow you to get over pump track bumps without triggering it. Tho i can't promise you'll be able to find a perfect sweet spot. i doubt that you can make engage/disengage fast enough to actually help on a pump track.
If you want more nose up on transition ramps, you best bet is increase the mahony kp, as that will convert forwards deceleration into a temporary tail down, and your axis of movement changes as ride a transition.
Also pretty much all the the things you requested are in the works. Tho it won't be plug and play, I do want any idiot to be able to get through a config process from scratch while following an external guide. Similar to how the motor config is now, you might need help knowing how many pole pairs you have, and what gear ratio to input, but you can do it without a day of study. But this of course does not need to be the end of all progress, just the next step.
=-O
This warms my heart guys! 🥰
Originally Kyle at FM was a hero when he invented the onewheel. But then he "shat the bed" real bad by becoming greedy, lawyer hungry, and oppressive against customer needs and legitimate criticism.
Now YOU GUYS are the heroes! Users updating the VESC code and parameters, selling replacement batteries and controllers, and we are close to the point where people can buy all the parts they need to build a one wheeled board without needing to buy a single part from FM.
Since we can't really call these new boards "Onewheel" maybe we should think of an exciting new name? Like a new branding for user created and developed wheels?
VESCwheel?
UserWheel?
NotEvilWheel?
fFMwheel? 😁
An exciting, open source branding that is owned by EVERYBODY (not by one greedy company) could really help to popularise the new DIY boards and make people feel more confident that this is a REAL BOARD... not just some DIY guys making different weird versions for themselves but instead is something that can be known and trusted as an alternative to the FM product.
I guess that what I am saying is we need a beginner friendly, standardised, DIY wheel that people will know what they are getting (and how it will ride) when they buy the parts and bolt it together... 🤔👍
VESCwheel would be bad, as VESC is trademarked and can lead to issues.
Monowheel? Wheelboard?
@@Jdb63 ... Superwheel!
BETTERwheel! 😎
UniWheel or MonoWheel
I knew I was on the right track when I said VESC will be preferable.
Super interested in vesc. I'd love some extra torque going up uphill on trail rides. Tired of having to carry my board when it gets steep. Seems like it would be worth the price just for that. Looking forward to your install video.
Wicked. 😎👍
⚡ *I've been hearin the VESC is now "better" couple of times, as much as I think VESC is the future, I will wait and see* 😂⚡
Awesome to see how far it's come so quickly 🤙🏼🤙🏼
I've been more critical than most of how VESC rides, because you need to be critical to push it forward and so many people were constantly sugar coating it. And as someone who hated how it rode 2 months ago and was sketched by how it rode 2 weeks ago, I can confidently say I now enjoy it (with my tune) better than any FM board I've ridden. It's there.
@@nicoaleman Really great to hear stuff like this!!!
R.I.P FM☠
Good riddance
I'm with ya Jake, i have my XR and support right to repair, something FM has an issue with
Just built mine and default settings were better than the xr. Have a blast
Been waiting for a better OneWheel for awhile now.
It would be very helpful if you video’d the entire VESC modification from start to finish - not as good as a simple app, but still very nice.
So hyped for VESC!
Also curious what you think about the spiked Clark rear and sensor pads from the Clark guy making the euc pads. Have you seen them? Thought they were a joke but after trying them on Mitch's board I kinda dig them.
Oh wow! I had never heard of those Clark sensorless pads, so thanks! I'm just wondering if both front and rear pads are exactly alike? I'm wondering if they're interchangeable so a rider who rides goofy could still use them properly.
I love this.
I mean, every sport requires innovation. FM is an echo chamber and as fun, as it is to vilify them, they're the only game in town for this type of ride. So anything that opens the playing field and makes them rethink stuff is excellent. If I had any money? I'd be looking at making kits / full-built boards that don't use the FM hub or parts. Until you can buy a kit that isn't a Frankenstein board and is all new parts, completely free of FM patents... we're still not "there" yet. If I was Chi or JW, I'd be looking into designing your own hubs and motors. Hell... I wouldn't be surprised that if in a year the TFL of C&R has a kit with FM free hub, TFL rails, JW or other battery and the VESC controller. Thats the future. Give the normies (guys like me) who want a polished off the shelf board a place to get it, but also the die hards and tinkiers a place to express themselves too. There's a market for both.
I know fungineers and tech rails are working on hubs/motors and I’m surprised no one else has made one so far!
@@JakeLeary Seriously... imagine being able to walk into the shop and do a version "build a bear" but its off the shelf onewheel parts.
@@normie26 ..Like a build your own complete from the local skateshop? Uh, yes please! 🙏
@@yoshi8706 I mean why not? Like I said, until we get to a place where you're riding a Onewheel (gonna need a new name too) thar has no FM IP things are still in the infant stage.
Once we get good aftermarket hubs and motors?
FM suddenly will handing out partnerships all over for parts and service.
@@normie26 yeah they finally opened an eu service centre, years too late. See ya FM!
This is good. Not at all into onewheel stuff but totally into the community telling companies to stuff it, this needs to happen everywhere, Apple, Tesla, car companies who charge monthly fees for remote starters when your car already has the hardware (and a fee for cellular service so you can use your phone isn't unreasonable but I'm talking even from your key), all the companies refusing repair parts or schematics when products used to have this stuff printed on big labels inside the product..we are letting 1984 happen but stuff like this gives me a tiny bit of hope. Keep it up!
Yes yes yes! That is what we need! Greedy FM has to go away!
Please do the VESC install / build vid! I want to do this badly but im not great with stuff like this hahaha
love open source!!!
Backyard tracks for Onewheel and RC cars are great fun. You can build all from scratch.
yesssssssss its happening
This solves my problem! I love the one wheel product but hate the compamy
Great news... But tbh I want a Pint VESC 😅 either or I can live with a growler VESC if I can't fix my Plus 🤙🏽
Will there be new TFL products specifically made for vesc? Like as you said a less squirrelly version of enduro, or new rail design that can take advantage of the firmware and go beyond the 4 degree tilt of WTF, etc?
New versions of enduro are coming regardless. (To add to the roster, not replace the current enduro.) I’d imagine there’ll be a center steeze with greater angles coming soon now that VESC allows for it
Future Motion lost me when they make your board DEAD for changing your battery
Jake, when will you post a VESC conversion video(s)? I’ve been watching the whole open source project for a while, but you’ve peaked my interest and I will be following your channel closely.
Hopefully in a couple weeks or so
@@JakeLeary Thanks, looking forward to it so much!
U know.. U guys promoted FM onewheels like crazy, and I went out and bought my pint last year and a GT this year. And now y'all over here wit this vesc, and I'm supposed to jump and get one of these now🤣🤔 I'm good bruh!
I'm a just get a electric scooter and keep it pushin 💯
I literally have only heard but about VESC. Was wondering (if anyone here knows) how compatible it is with the GT? I know that with the GT being as new as it is and all the changes FM made there's still a good amount work to get it to XR level of after market support. Not looking to make any changes yet mind you, but I'm keeping my eyes and ears open for info and trying to educate myself on VESC and what not so I'll be more prepared when I do get to that point.
Yeah if you wanted you could use a gt, pint, or anything with a vesc. Crazy carts can run vesc, RC cars, cordless tools. All of that, just needs some tinkering.
Future Motion rn… 😰😰😰
So does anyone have any suggestions for finding a used XR so I can build a VESC? Unless somebody is going to start producing frames and motors outside of Future Motion.
Fungineers makes the motors and companies like The Float Life make rails. But way easier to buy used, Facebook marketplace, eBay, etc
So, hold on to any XR's I have? The only reason I like the GT is the power for my weight. Would love to have a powerful XR
Been looking into VESC more since my brother and I both had our onewheel XRs get an E16 and finding corrosion on the BMS and pretty much the cheapest option is replacing it with a used one for 500+ dollars. I'd be really interested in a video where you go over your build and why you used the parts and optio s that you used. Thanks for the video
As an EUC rider, i've always been skeptical of the One Wheel. I love the concept, but I've heard how sketchy Future Motion can be, which has made me reluctant to try a One wheel. However, watching you carve and send it on that VESC makes me see that particular platform in a whole new light. You are an awesome rider. Great video!
EUC seems objectively better in every aspect other than board tricks, and weight. And with a trolley handle the weight is rarely actually an issue for people without stairs.
I'd probably rather wait for Float wheel to work out the kinks, and challenge the patents to accept regular money before I support an anti consumer company like fm
@DarthTinderalla-qm9zw I agree, I don't expect FM to hang in there much longer. I just feel bad for the people who have already paid $2,000 + for something that will no longer be supported at all.
EUC has really changed my life in ways that i never conceived before learning how to ride one. I suffer from depression and anxiety, but when I'm riding, I don't even think about that. It's just me and my trusty 16X on the street. However, I respect all PEV riders regardless of what they choose to ride. I started out on a Dualtron Ultra 2, and later, I got an Ariel Rider Grizzly ebike. I bought my first wheel (16X) out of sheer curiosity this past summer. I just love them all. Maybe someday I'll end up adding a VESC/Float Wheel to my collection, but first I have to save some more moooolah. Lol
Looks like it handles the thicker grass better than my XR. Generally boggs out, then nose dives, making it hard to ride flat trails, which is why I decided on the XR in the 1st place.