We're LOSING The Right To Repair BATTLE... NHTSA Punches Down
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
- Right to repair has been decimated in a single swoop by new guidance from the NHTSA. You may never be allowed to connect to your own vehicle in future models to help "secure" the vehicle.
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Louis Rossmann has been working hard to pass laws in states protecting the consumer's right to repair.
Louis is swimming upstream against a very fast flowing current. This is another agenda of the globalists, they wont be denied.
RUclips has beeeeen tryin to clamp down on him
Whats sad is, Other than Rossman, only a handful or two others are too. ...when it should be EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US!
THATS MY BOY!!! 🙌
@@playablueThat is separate from his lobbying and fighting for Right to Repair. While he has made strides in the Right to Repair battle, there is just as many companies fighting back using bogus claims knowing that the bulk of their money isn't made on the sales of the vehicles/products but on the fact they are the only ones who can repair it while inflating the price of parts and labor cost.
That is the real fight for Right to Repair, which is a pro-consumer movement to insure not only can we continue to repair our own purchased property, but also do it at a reasonable price and through any parts supplier or service shop. The same thing that WatchJRGo is trying to explain the importance of. I fully support right to repair as I would much rather be able to work on my own vehicle rather than have to take it to a 'specialist' or 'technician' where they only thing different is they have proprietary equipment to fully access the brain running everything.
Your explaination of the complexity cars are becoming is why many of us don't want new vehicles.
My most recent vehicle is 1999. I won't bother buying anything newer.
My 92 Chevy 1500 is the standard.
15 minute heater core, no hidden bolts, basic fuel injection. I will even go back to the carburetor days before I buy anything.
Spot on. I run a business repairing car electronics modules. I don't want a new car, I really don't. We spend a lot of time reverse engineering this stuff so we can repair it. I hope the consumer bites them hard on the ar5e. A disaster for sustainability too.
@@ryurc3033that's exactly the way I feel too!
My 2004 Volvo is too new. It is Canbus throughout - fortunately, no wireless to it (like newer ones) - but I can plug my laptop in and roll windows up and down, move the seats, open the trunk, turn on and off individual light systems, wipers, etc etc etc - basically every sensor and actuator on the vehicle is tied in to it. And everything works from it as well. I had a driveshaft issue (a loose center bearing on a half shaft wasn't pressed tight enough) caused me to lose power to the wheels... after we got it fixed, the awd system kept acting - uh - funny - it was working then it wasn't and it was odd.... AFTER plugging in and "talking to it" - and clearing the DSTC and other codes, the AWD system now works perfectly again.
NOT having this level of capability would mean this car would not be mine.
Frankly, the last 3 cars we've purchased after this one are all older and my next one will hopefully be earlier still. I'll build my own.
I own a crown Vic with all the lovely computer carp that they came with. Whatever, it's turn key and parts are a dime a dozen. My other one is an old pickup with carburetor ranFord inline six.
Farmers have this problem already, especially with John Deere
They sued John Deer and won.
@@imrfyes they won but JD still won’t let us access anything…
#NoFarmersNoFood movement is getting bigger by the day esp in EU
The other side of this is some state/gov agencies trying to tell you what you can and can’t repair in your own residential garage.
It's time to quit buying new cars and stuff. Go retro or don't go at all. At least stay with stuff that is repairable.
I remember people (mostly computer nerds) asking "why can't car companies be more like technology companies?" Well, you got your wish. You don't own the car, you just own a license to a copy of their car. ...which of course, also kills privacy even further (which is a huge concern).
Like Microsoft Windows with around 70%+ of the global market share. Starting in October 2025, basically any computer prior to 2018 will not be allowed run their Windows 11 Spyware OS - with advertising.
Imagine all the electronic waste, from all the corporations and home users that's going to create globally! So much for green.
This, but without the cost-drop curve year on year of tech, the worst of both industries.
Exactly. I’ve been against this all along, but even as I’m working in the car industry, there’s nothing I (or anyone else) can do about it. The complexity is a consequence of increasing customer requirements, customers being lease companies, car rental companies, company car buyers and governmental organisations. The individual car owner or mechanic has no impact on car development.
That’s why you have to hoard old cars.
Vote with your dollar
For now, but for example kalifornia commy newsom passed law to eliminate gas vehicle use by 2035.
They will make them illegal. It is already happening in Europe. The USA is 5-10 years behind in our socialist system. They tried several years ago to make parting out cars illegal when done by a private seller. As well, currently we have LBZ zones, which are low emissions zones where cars are labeled with a sticker on the windshield and a letter identifying the cars emissions category and are not allowed into city centers. Cars before 2004 can't currently enter LBZ zones. I think next year it will be cars built before 2010 or so. This is all the 2030 Agenda. Vote these fuckers out.
I'm am thinking its a good time to start a business 3d printing and reproduce old parts...maybe start with printing all the BMW plastic pieces in metal...
@@ChrisLee66That why California having fires every year. Governments ruin people's life by increasing the cost of life.
Take away my right to fix my own stuff and the manufacturers can reserve their right to sit on their inventory
I work at an auto parts store and i can absolutely say i LOVE this video. No other auto-influencers are even talking about this which is a shame
This should be pinned, SEMA has been fighting this battle for years. You can join them as a no cost member now as well.
Rich rebuilds frequently brings this issue up as well
If it wasn't for poor people parts stores would lose tons of money we can't afford shops
Most of those “influencers” dump their new cars 3 months after buying them
"Right to repair" is a myth. A consumer needs to exercise their "Right not to buy".
ABSOLUTELY
They are working hard on how you can`t afford to own something they can`t control. my 2009 volvo worth $3000, but the basic insurance $600/ year! many cars discount and perfect record. ONLY PROBLEM, I HAD ONSTAR ON MY NEW TRUCK FOR 1 MONTH= INSURANCE GOT THE MEMO!!! GOT SIGNED UP BY THE SALESMAN IN MY BACK. FOUND OUT AND DISCONNECTED THE ANTENNAS
terrible
no more new cars. son as they fixed the truck under warranty (waiting for part over 2 months. can`t drive it. GM don`t care) will be sold and then buying a 1994 truck.
Right not to buy a new vehicle?
The overwhelming majority of people have the access to credit and need reliable, modern motor vehicles to function in society.
Now most of the pre 90's death traps are gone things are much better. Post 2000 things really improved, side/curtain bags, fuel efficiency etc.
@@ctdubbin2then budget for big repair bills. I think it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t.
@kristof4890 OK but thier are fewer and fewer surviours left.
My dad in the early 30s depression bought a used stop watch from a pawn shop. In the mid 1970s it stopped working..he took it to a local guru repair guy who said he never heard that low cost brand and it was not worth fixing.
But he said he will look at it .
So the watch guy fixed the stopwatch for a reasonable price.
The watch had a spare parts inside. A mainspring. Couple jewels 2 hands.
Louis Rossman is a strong advocate for the Right To Repair. He started with Apple, and the issues have grown!
You missed one HUGE issue moving forward too.. analytics....
New vehicles are also monitoring how the vehicle is driven, and they are selling thst information to companies like LexisNexis, who then sell it to your insurance company. So if someone cuts you off and yoy slam the brakes, that "hard brake" is effectively sent to your insurance company, and your rates go up accordingly.
Throttle usage, brake usage, speed, idle time, do tou park with the windows open.. your car has GPS too. Im sure it can report where the vehicle is parked, and thst can be compared against crime stats in the area, and a "theft risk" will be added to your insurance. On and on... I know everyone loves having everything connected, but who is listening?
ALSO, lets talk about "subscriptions".. i believe BMW is playing with makong their heated seats a subscription option? Thats right, a physical mechanism in the vehicle, can be enabled and disabled via software from a cellular link, depending on what subscription you buy.
All the parts to make it work are already in the vehicle, its just disabled in the software unless you pay more money.....
They sure are, but you can usually control sharing the telematics, at least to third parties. 💯
Just unplug the telematics module. You don't need to start the car from your phone. We do it all the time on Fords, because their modems cause parasitic drains, and the car doesn't care in the slightest.
@@Ulrich_Wolf
I am old enough to remember when not fastening your seatbelt wasn’t monitored. Then it made a light go on until buckled. After that a buzzer sounded until buckled. Now some cars (e.g.: 2020 and newer Traverse) can be prevented from exiting Park gear until buckled.
Like that creeping change, eventually the cars won’t work unless certain modules are on-line. Just wait.
@@briandeschene8424and someone will design a bypass for any of those modules 😁 just like they do for O2 sensors and tunes.
Make Hackers Great Again!
The Patriot Act embedded in every driveway in America. Give up rights to access basic info... for a monthly fee. Guess I'll step out to the garage and throw in a set of points and plugs for a spring tune up on my Henry J. ..with no political intervention.
J.R - I remember back in the day when I used to get my hands dirty,any car I got the 1st thing I used to do was get the Haynes Service Manual for the make model and year of the car I bought, that Service Manual was based on a full strip down and rebuild of the vehicle with pics and full wiring diagrams of everything
The parts store doesn't carry them anymore because lowlife would find the page they needed and rip it out of the books instead of buying it !! He said look it up on the computer it should be on there ! I left and went to another store and found one !!
@@JohnRuhlJr-wf1on Yeah, so tired of the "Just look it up on Google" answers everyone gives nowadays.
Newsflash: Google doesn't have everything you want, nor is it always accurate.
I've also noticed with my classic cars, every time the parts stores update their computer databases, errors creep in, thus giving bad information or no information at all.
Haynes was a waste of money. Factory service manuals are much better. Even digital versions are available.
@@josefeibl8230 I always found them very helpful ! Helped keep my vehicles on the road and running !!
Not always, the factory manual for my Nissan frontier was $290 and only available on disk. My dealership refused to sell me one as I'm not a licensed mechanic.
Crank windows have no wires, computer chips and engineering degree required
im glad that toyota still offers vehicles with very few electronics! the land cruiser 70 series even still has the antique AC control still today.
Sometimes manual window regulators are impossible to find
The wife’s daily is a 56 Willys wagon. This time next year mine will be a 52 Henry J. Both on modern frames with disc brakes and efi. No BCM to fail, no Trans module to fail, no power windows to die.
So how come all my friends can't fix them lol
Electric windows are easy.
The government cares about whoever gives them campaign cash. And you're right JR, its not a D or R thing, it's that political corruption has been fully legalized and nobody really cares. It was always kind of this way in the past, but now it's just loud and proud. This is America, everything and everyone is for sale.
Bingo
It is a progressive thing (not DEM/REP). But most progressives are DEMS
I’ve come to the conclusion that the government doesn’t really care about us the citizens.. great video as always
Literally just a illusion. They want to burn the constitution.
They care about the corporations that are stuffing wads of cash in their pockets..
They care alright. They need wage slaves and everything the government does leads to the people being wage slaves tethered to the treadmill. Freedom is what they fear. A person who doesn't rely on the government is more difficult to control.
Genuinely curious... what does this issue have to do with the government? This is greedy companies screwing people
@@frotobaggins7169 Freedom is what the brainwashed think they need, supplied by gov, Humans need sovereignty from gov not freedom. Freedom comes with taxation, restrictions, and expectations from gooberment, sovereignty from gov is the only way forward. The "elites" hate that word so maybe we should be using sovereignty instead of freedom because they're not the same thing. But I've been saying this for decades and here we are ZERO people are using it. We get what we tolerate.
Louis Rossman has been fighting the good fight.
This is why I will keep my 450,000 mile 2002 VW tdi running as long as I possibly can.
Unless you live in a rust area you can keep it forever. My Saturns 1997-2001 will all be running when I die All in purchase, tax, tag, insurance, repairs, fuel , etc $.11/mile no way a new car can compete. Though it does cost more to run(about .34/mile), my 1999 Dodge truck with a Cummins diesel will share the same fate
This is why I don’t want to buy a new car.
To anyone out there that has the means, this is time to shine... how? Restoration and modernisation of older cars. If we can figure out how to kill rust and prevent it all from coming back, many older cars can survive. Then it's just metal fabrication of some key parts for the engine, drive train and body and people can maintain their older cars and not give a flying rat's butt about the newer, rubbish cars.
And shit like this is why I won't bother with newer cars. I love cars, but if I'm forced to have a price of junk that depends on some mechanic with proprietary systems to work on it, I'll just walk.
THAT'S THE PLAN!
Get some good walking shoes, because those might be banned eventually too!
The problem is they can take our old car parts away
And, just gotta add, we allow “counterfeit” parts to come from parts unknown/ off-shore.
Wife gets the new car… its safe reliable and she doesn’t want me near it with a tool… 😂
That's fine until the old cars are rare and desirable. Ever price out a 60s Porsche? The problem is we built our cities to depend on cars - talk about a captive market!
This is old news, NHTSA walked back their letter advising Massachusetts not to enforce their right to repair law. in August of last year. Their position now is that they support right to repair.
For now. NHTSA is starting to sound a lot like the ATF.
@@jefftuckercfii As are all departments under this out of control admin.
AND YET, they also came out with new regs to lock out people working on newer cars through OBD2 (and follow-on) AND when asked about VIN tagging parts electronically (which then means you can't swap out a part without having the dealer OK it via computer connection of some sort) , they've been one of the groups pushing for it "for the public good".
@@CaptainSeamusyes they care so much for the environment that we must scrap perfectly fine cars because of greedy bastards.
They switched strategy to gaslighting and malicious compliance
Auto makers have been trying to remove your right to repair for a LONG time. The very first hard push that I remember happened back in the mid 90s. It has been seriously downhill ever since.
I've seen a video of some guy with a hacker in the passenger seat and they parked alongside a Lexus, and the hacker logged into the Lexus's computer using a laptop and opened the door from that. Scary what they can do these days.
Wireless obd port. If these fucktards cared about safety and security, make the obd port analog like the "old" cars, just plug in a connector, dont take much iq to figure that out.
Preventing us or telling us that we can't repair our own cars without right to repair is more than insane, it's just....... I'll say it, it's flat out bullshit. I have a diagnosis tool that I always use in repairing my own cars. I prefer to do my own repairs. Take away that right, and we will be spending more money for pointless repairs at dealerships that we probably don't even need anyway
At least it is better than parts of Europe where it is illegal to work on your car in some countries, period. I just changed the engine wiring harness on my newer Mustang GT500; no information in any manuals on replacing the entire wiring harness, so I just had to figure it out connection to connection. Some wiring harness parts were hidden under covers on the heads, which had to be unbolted to get to them.
I’d drive old cars forever but rust is a real concern long term.
Speed holes.
Use a protective corrosion inhibiting wax coating, apply every 1-2 years.
Homemade cosmoline
Learn to Weld. The harder part is on a lot of older cars, the plastics are failing from the elastomers boiling out - gotta figure out ways to make new ones. Or drive ugly.
@@CaptainSeamus I did learn to weld. I took a basic welding course offered at my local college. I undercoat my car every year but even with a good quality product like krown, you’re still just delaying the inevitable.
Louis Rossman..... pretty much calls this out, will strongly advise to check this gentleman's content.
My library offers an online service for vehicle repair information. Its pretty basic, but has wiring diagrams available. Library is not free, taxpayers pay for them to be open.
Manufactures, I can purchase access for a few days for a small fee. About $20. I have had to do this for real in depth wiring diagnostics to find connector locations/views.
Honestly, I would be VERY happy if vehicles stay unconnected to the internet. I see little no benefit for me for any vehicle to be internet connected.
They dont do it for your benefit. They do it for theirs, so they can track you, and then later prevent you to do certain things. Nothing other than keys should be secret knowledge, and when the car hits like ten years old, these codes to program the keys should be public too, i wont even mind paying 10-30 $ for access -- but maintenance and swapping of modules and fix modules and stuff should be free and possible without dealer permission, if i buy a car i own it and should be able to fix it, the company can then sell parts and make money, they dont have to be such nazi shady tyrants types to make money, fixing stuff and not throw it away is what we need to do in this world where we are drowning in trash and e waste etc etc --- but apperently the eco terrorists is only out for control and dont really give a shit beside what their globalist masters demand.. - enslave zhe untermench, make zhem eat zhe bugz and steal zhe everything from zhem so they can own zhe nothing and be "Happy"
Even with the tools, some intelligence is needed. My wife had an accident in her VW ID.4, took ages to fix because parts took a while. When it came back, the horn wasn’t working (took a while to realise). Dealer couldn’t fix it and wanted to replace the front harness. It took me 30 seconds to find the disconnected horn wire, and 15 mins to get the front valance cover off and reconnect it. Dealers are just parts swappers, this is about as not “green” as it gets.
The worst of it is automakers are withholding repair info. Tesla and Chrysler/ Stalantis are 2 examples n of automakers withholding info. Tesla won’t give up any info forcing owners to go to dealers for repairs. JR already touched on the crap Chrysler is pulling. It’s really messed up and sad.
Stop buying those vehicles
The EU has fined Tesla millions of dollars for not sharing this repair info, as they have stronger right to repair laws. Tesla just laughs, picks up some pocket change from under their sofa and throws it at the judge.
That's wrong. I'm a technician for Chrysler. All service information is on all data and Mitchel. What you won't find is any service information for BMW or Mercedes. All that's listed is fluid types and maintenance
@@Tech-ez1qj I thought you had to subscribe to something to get Chrysler's, Rams anyway, to get repair info and updates. You say no I believe you. I did know about the German makers holding their info for ransom. Just a shame. That’s why I love my Cougar and Mustang. Easy to diagnose and work on.
@@gregdiamond6023 yeah, it's subscription - Alldata and Mitchell are both subscription services... but they are "aftermarket" so, TECHNICALLY, you can get into them. But you're right, dropping $100 a year to be able to talk to my car is BS.
I won't buy a newer car. All gonna be older stuff. "Antiques and Collectables" from here out.
People dont buy cars based on reliability or repairability. They buy based on looks and the car companies know this
I've been with you since basically the beginning, great to see you grow.
The Car Care Nut recently fixed a Camry that the dealer couldn't figure out. It was an older car, and the newer techs were lost at diagnosing it. As modern tech ages out newer service technicians will not be trained to work on it. It sucks cars will be totaled because the dealer can't repair a car and the manufacturer holds diagnostic information hostage. Between this and subscription services for heated seats, remote start and other functions to work proves you never really own your car. No matter how much you pay for it.
Techs probably couldn’t figure it out because they don’t actually know how to fix cars. They just know how to plug in a code scanner, pull a code, and then replace whatever part it says it faulty
In the near future, shoelaces will be digitally encrypted so you can't put them in a new pair of shoes without the code from the dealer.
@@Jonny2by4exactly. And when your new car with proprietary technology has an issue that isn't simple, no one will be able to fix it. If a scanner can't figure it out, no one else will be able to.
It would be one thing if you couldn't fix your own car, so long as someone could. But anything out of ordinary will mean car has to be scraped.
@@noseboop4354
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@@Jonny2by4 When dealers send their techs in for factory training, what do they teach them?
I just bought a 2024 CFMoto motorcycle and it has all the bolt and screw specs in the owner's manual.
Back in the 80's we brought 1975/76 cadillac GM shop manuals. I think they were only 40 or 50 bucks. And like all GM stuff I was able to use that manual to troubleshoot the HEI distributor (no spark issue) Hint: it was the chip that replaced the points. The thermal paste had dried up and killed the chip.
Had that same issue with my '76 El Camino........
That wasnt a chip. That is an ignition module. The other component is a reluctor wheel and a Hall-effect pickup which sends a signal to the module.
just drive older cars.
Soon enough they won't be legal either. They already started in parts of Europe
@@adamdion7574 It's not even the "legal" - it will be "legal" to own, but the cost of insuring it (or finding fuel for it) will be so outrageous, you might as well buy a new car.
Great brief on the car state of the union, reminds me of the late 60's early 70's when generators were passed over for alternator technology, and the fuel pumps were no longer rebuildable because the were sealed units. My grandpas garage and gas station complex was furnished to rebuild starter, generators adjust voltage and rebuild fuel pumps - I got exposure and hands on out of all that, then migrated into telecommunications as my carrier.
Car audio systems were "basically flawless" apart from headunits being non standard form factor and being antiquated before the car even made it into the showroom. The latest trends are to put some mediocre system in since buyer surveys show that 95% of people aren't willing to pay for a better stereo. I remember the 1970s and 1980s where every house had a stereo rack with a cassette player, record player, tuner, amplifier and speakers. People mass bought CD players to add to those in the 2nd half of the 1980. Now all you see are crappy bluetooth speakers and milk carton surround systems that sound like, well, milk cartons. This is happening in new cars too, especially the lower budget range. Unfortunately, there is no longer a slit in the dash where you can bolt in your Alpine, put some JBL GTO 6x9 in the parcel shelf and rock hard to bohemian rhapsody, because no manufacturer bothers about the standard, since nobody stopped buying cars when they omitted that option.
I am already there with my Audi. SQ8……it is so complex that i would never attempt any deep dive repairs, luckily it is a CPO car with 5 years of warranty, but i have been thinking of selling it and getting something like an old Grand Wagoneer, that i can easily maintain.😄
BMW already has subscription for options, soon these cars will self drive away if you miss a payment, or be pulled over by itself if you don't renew your tags, or speed.
So much for freedom of travel or maintaining your own cars.
Again, people still dreaming in never land till all the rug has been pull from their feet and they will never notice.😁😁😁
The problem is people that want all this foo-foo nonsense in their cars.
The ONLY purpose of a vehicle is to get from point A to point B.
Government has been requiring kill switches be manufactured in all vehicles for years now
@@champspec Anyone want to bet that I cant deactivate or get rid of it?
I have an early 2000s era Sony home stereo unit, the CD player stopped reading discs a few years ago. I was able to pull up a service manual for that exact model stereo and find the part number for the laser disc reader in a matter of minutes. I found a brand new oem part on ebay for like $12, took the stereo apart, replaced the part, now the CD player works flawlessly. And I'm not a technician by any stretch, but I wish things weren't getting so ridiculous to fix and made so cheaply that you're better off just throwing it away and buying a new one.
Remember the days when there were tv repair shops still? Now everything is disposable.
Wish I could still get new laser pickups for the old Sony car changers I have...all spares long gone :(
as a long time electronics repair tech, everything cost more back when schematics were included. Profit margin was 30% and they could afford to do that. Now with margins being 5-10% because everyone wants "cheap", they need you to buy new every 3-5 years. I owned a retail computer store as well for decades, anything consumer Windows related stopped being profitable 20+ years ago. ( was great in the late 80's and thru the 90's ) Apple products and Networking/business clients are the only places for any real profit now. This applies to all electronics, cars are different though.
EX TV and Radio tech, did my apprenticeship in the 80s. Had several businesses repairing then renting equipment in the 90s
Got out while it was still somewhat profitable, rent business was when the money was.
People treated equipment as disposable by then and most of the quality Japanese companies disappeared , market flooded with china crap. It destroyed the repair market.
Yup, personal computers/laptops/cell phones are basically throwaway items now.
Boring comment: on the Walker mower, those little screws are for safely. So if you hit something while mowing, you don't break the PTO or the gear boxes that drive the blades.
This all stems from one thing the birth of the internet and mobile phones
Wait hear me out!
Most late 90's People spent more time indoors playing video games looking at mobile phones etc rather than being outside pulling push bikes apart or building go carts or helping their parents fixing stuff! My kids when needing anything repaired come to me yer great your saying you can teach them well i try but they have no interest whatsoever its heart breaking to know my skills wont be passed down!
Hoovies last video sums up right to repair too.
"Government is the problem." Reagan. Get them out of everything.
It's been downhill for working people since ronnie
It’s going to look like Cuba around the US someday. Everybody broke and driving 50 year old cars they can keep running
I have a fairly simple Autel that can read pretty much everything on the older cars we have. Newest one is a 08 PT Cruiser, and my car is a 06 Charger RT.
My other cars are antique now, the 69 Dart and a 78 Dodge van plus a 99 300m I haven't decided what to do with yet that lost oil pressure, but oil change and it came back.
They want to force us to pay them to fix things and never be able to modify anything. I do just about anything here I can handle electronics, hvac, plumbing etc. Depends on who is running things as to whether we're going to continue to fix our stuff.
You have to rent crap now so we can do anything.
And this is prime example why i never bought a new car. I'm in my 30's and my newest car i own was built in 1971.
You're still young enough that at some point during your driving years the government in concert with manufacturers are going to grab those jewels of yours and squeeze and twist forcing you to buy an EV. I have vehicles that if I don't total them should last me the rest of my driving years and parts should be available during that time. Good luck.
BTW my first car was a 1971 Datsun 510.
Yeah I drive a 03 yukon. Easy to work on. Just now had to replace a water pump and front wheel wheel bearings at 236.000 miles and it's running great still. I love old cars there not all plastic like the new cars.
It’s funny, when that car came out people were complaining about how complicated they are and how they wouldn’t last 10 year because no one could fix them. I remember because I was there. 😂
To be fair, they sold a shitload of cars on that platform so parts and info are plentiful.
While I 100% agree - never underestimate the ability for the secondary market to produce replacements for things like a BCM - right now / today there's not enough demand for something like a BCM ore even user replaceable ECU/ECMs but I can see a future where the manufacturer would actually be incented to allow 3rd parties to build replacement modules after a set period of time - remember that in most industries if a manufacturer wants to have a high level of control of "their" stuff they also have to make those proprietary parts available for X number of years beyond the last sale of the product. They can't have it both ways - either provide replacement parts OR allow 3rd party companies the ability to produce those parts.
Another option is for companies not bound by stupid laws (and arguably unconstitutional anyway) in other places will just reverse engineer or "hack" those modules/devices and sell them direct to consumers.
There are hobbyists creating new parts to interface with old computers like Apple ][s, old Macs, Commodores, Ataris, TRS 80s, and old PCs. Anything can be reverse engineered. We're already seeing cars like Hoovie's Bentley that have electronic parts that are no longer made, or marked up ridiculously at the dealer. As more cars with these systems age, the more incentive will be to reverse engineer them.
The problem is the whole concept of intellectual property, and the level to which we have made copyright holders so powerful.
Copyright never protected artists - it was always to make printing presses viable, for some reason people conflate it with plagiarism protection, which it has never been.
YOu talk about Libraries, you dont mention the internet archive being sued for their (fully paid for) library
I don’t think the dealerships, and repair shops can handle the influx of vehicles, if we fully lost the right to repair.
Truth.
Speaking about the vehicle mobile/cell connectivity, this is why I bought a 2023 Hyundai i30N (Elantra N over there) and it has no talk back or telematics, just the way I want it.
4:10 - It should be ILLEGAL to deny repair options, especially for certain products -- such as a CAR.
"Oh what about security?"
If they have access to the canbus.... security is already compromised.... but even then... you can just encrypt the messages with a key the vehicle + part are aware of when you put the vehicle into "pair mode" so it can generate a new secret and public key so module communication is encrypted.
But it's EASY to just enable "repair mode" if the vehicle is unlocked and key present, and just use unencrypted traffic, and then when you exit that mode, the car should be aware of every module (or if a module makes a request because it was never paired -- it gets a request to pair). Sure, during pairing, the device encryption is vulnerable (as you're not using a root CA store), but that's fine.
Not every module needs to be encrypted.
The only modules that need encryption are infotainment, the security system, immobilizer, fobs/keys, and maybe any "at rest" monitoring modules (cameras, mics, human presence detector devices)
Just going to keep my current cars I guess. No need for a replacement, but I'll have to cave in for my wife's vehicle!
Pathetic
Is it just me or is there a skull in the headlight
The Ram/Stellantis secure gateway can be bypassed with a $20-30 cable. I realize that isn’t the greatest solution for a tech that may be working on multiple vehicles at a time, but if you only have to worry about a coupe, it’s a very cost effective solution.
My 1971 Ford f250 with a nicely built 460 CID just keeps going up in value!!!
You have old info, NHTSA back tracked, rightfully so, please update this video
I'm also surprised the mower deck wasn't thoroughly cleaned... are you feeling okay? hah
Why make a mess in the garage, when you can clean it in outside and blend it back into the landscape?
You know what it sounds like to me we're reaching a new age of modification where we aren't just swapping out parts for performance we're swapping out parts to be able to have reliability and be able to fix our things ie we might be downgrading some of our parts in order to consistently repair them and be using aftermarket pieces to these technological puzzles
Back in the 60's my dad went to Buick School and he said the instructor openly stated that it was their goal to make all cars in the future that would have to be returned to the dealer for service or repair.
Don't buy new cars.
Absolutely! Old cars for the win. The aftermarket will meet the need of old parts. Shut the new car industry down until they make more realistic.
The way to go as far as windshield washer fluid is Rain-X. I used to use the blue stuff, but now even in a torrential downpour, the power of the wind and Rain-X washer fluid do most of the work. I know you can buy the bottle and apply to your windshield and still use the blue stuff, but I am sold. I have sold a few friends on the orange as well.
Project Farm did testing - RainX is best
him and most youtubers are to cheap to spend the extra dollar or 2
I've been using the RainX washer fluid exclusively in everything I own for years. That's good stuff.
Yeah, I remember those days on the modular TV's. They had all those modules. They had to replace to get different things to be fixed. If it lost the color control, would you get the horizontal board to get the vertical boand then I remember the days of tube radios where the diagram was right on the side on the inside of The case.
Telling you which Cube was what
John, please contact Louis Rossmann to help in this fight. He is a famous RUclipsr fronting a foundation that fights for Rights to Repair and they actually have some funding and legal support.
The dealerships aren't fixing the cars or won't fix them right.
The automakers don’t want independent shops let alone diy repairs, so they spend millions on politicians who are ignorant of why we work on stuff. Fewer and fewer people do work on their own stuff now, but the problems you speak about are the same for a shop. The software for Ford I had was offered a single vin for $100 or multiple for $1000
I think people have been trained not to work on their stuff, houses and cars have gotten so expensive but made with such awful materials. We need to go back to a simpler time where us men would fix our own cars and fix our own houses.
There are many words in the English language, but for lack of a better word, I'll say I love what you do on RUclips. I needed you to know that.
My Truck is a 1958 Chevrolet . 261 six with 3 speed manual . 7 external parts on engine. Very easy to work on .
Factory Car audio flawless? Cmon . That’s not setting the bar very high.
For the average person that has never known what good car audio sounds like it is flawless.
@@docgiggles130 is like saying bose factory audio is flawless .. I have an F30 BMW with the 16 speaker Harmon kardon. It was pretty harsh and not clean sounding at all from factory. I did the Bavsound upgrade and it was a huge improvement . Car Manufactures put very tight price restrictions on what the sound systems designers like Bose or Harmon have to work with . No matter what comes from the factory you can be certain that anything sold aftermarket is going to be significantly better that what the car manufacturer put in their bulk order design
@@kef103 I agree. It's shocking how bad the factory systems can be. I replaced a factory unit in a car with a $50 chinese unit that sounded better. I would have installed a better unit, but it was a cheap flip car that just needed a working radio that had bluetooth.
It's sad that the average car owner doesn't know how good car audio can be.
Aftermarket ecu and wiring specialties.
I remember when cars had a manual plunger sticking out of the dash that actuated a small pump that squirted the washer fluid onto the windshield. The worst that could happen with those is a hose could leak and you would spray the liquid inside your car.
An old beetle use the air in the spare tire i think. So dont have a flat after you clean to much ..
@@homeistheearth I've been an auto tech for 30+ years and have never run across this system. That is a wild set up, leave it to the Germans, hahahaha! One thing is certain in the auto repair industry: you learn something new every day!
@@bullitthead7853i think it was used on the earlier models, to make it cheap.
Right to repair doesn’t mean someone needs to provide you a free service manual. If you want to repair, you’ll need the tools, skills, and information. None of that is free. I don’t have a problem with that. Not everyone is suited to repair some systems. The barrier to entry keeps the reckless and clueless from executing an improper repair. We currently have access to vehicle repair data and the OBD II port. As far as Stellantis is concerned, don’t buy one. Vote with your feet.
Anyone discouraging others to contact their legislators, I give a side eye to. Just giving up and quitting is why things are as bad as they are.
Correction: Automakers are making a ton of money selling cars. A ton. Where have you been for the past few years?
P21S WINDSHIELD WASH BOOSTER
As someone trying their best to work on new cars, and doing it without the fancy scan tools, it’s very not fun
If you get a fuel efficient gas car like a Honda Fit you have no problem. My Fit gets 40+ miles per gallon on the highway and will hopefully last well above 200,000 miles.
The Fit is shit.
Idea for new game “JR Drink” - take a sip every time JR says “can bus.”
Find your local representative and dump your broken junk that can't be repaired in their yard
I live in Colorado's third district. That would probably be an improvement to her yard.
I was with you all the way up until about a minute before the end of the video... when you mention that EVs (aka: battery powered vehicles) are better than ICE vehicles.
While there may be less to go wrong on an EV, they are 100% NOT less expensive to maintain.
Many EV people (of 5+ years of EV ownership) are finally finding out that even just to simply replace their car's main battery will easily eclipse what the car is actually worth!
I could go on and on, but EVs may have a niche market for them right... but EVs (battery powered vehicles) WILL NEVER become our mainstream mode of transportation.
I'm all for Right To Repair, but through price gouging, integrated electronics, etc., it's pretty much a losing game. I often go a lever deeper, for example your washer fluid pump. Often things like that can be taken apart and repaired at the component level. Takes more time, knowledge and skill, but I've done it countless times and any built-in electronics don't have a clue. Inlaws $1100 fridge died from a nearby lightning strike. "Technician" said compressor is blown, get a new fridge. I pulled the PC board, and found a blown 50¢, 5v zener diode. Replaced it 5 years ago, and the fridge is still going strong. I'm starting to see a trend to simpler is better in several products. If there's a void, some opportunistic entrepreneur will fill it 👍
The last couple minutes nail it - no government agency is ever going to have the people’s back. They’re going to lookout for the corporations every single time because that’s who ultimately ensures their reelection and lines their pockets
This is why I am still driving a 2005 model truck. No one is connected to my truck. I can plug my own devices into the OBD2 and read codes or change parameters that I want to change. I can repair just about anything on it and the few things I can't do (lack of specialized tools) the local independent mechanics can do for me.
To change parameters on GM OBD2, you need a GM Tech2 scan tool.
There are still exceptions but a LOT of car brands had key systems that only a dealer could program or replace a key fob to - for $80 now I can get a ODB II dongle and download an app and can add an additional key and remove old ones that I no longer have to my wife's MINI Countryman. Sure, the newer ones still require about a $600 investment for a "scan tool tablet" and the new key fobs are about $100 but that's a far cry from having to spend $500-800 at the dealer....
The reason for this is the "killswitch bill". They want to make sure you can't disable the remote disable.
CAN BUS wiper / washer activation is in the past, already exists, JR. Ten years ago, most vehicles electrical systems are far beyond average owners abilities. OEM's limiting access as they decry "security" is the fight for technicians.
The NHTSA sent letters out to manufacturers to protect RTR. They're more on our side than the manufacturers.
Sure. If you say so.
Don't forget to ascribe part of the blame for this to those tuners who use the same access we want in order to mess with emissions controls.
I wouldn't give up on the Massachusetts legislature. They are a persistent bunch who usually gets their way. LOL
Great video....sucky thing NHTSA is doing. Car Manufacturers need to better secure their stuff so DIYers can still repair their vehicles without access to hackable areas. It can and should be done. of course hackers will try to get in to places they shouldn't.
The longer we can hang onto our own cars the better, we have a 2010 Hyundai Getz and a 2003 Mazda 323 Astina, No ABS No ESC, no cruise. Just airbags.
I say write to your representative on matters that are important to you. If nothing happens, at least you can say you tried, and you have a voice in future debates with others who never bothered their bother (if you don't complain, to me you kinda lose your right to complain. I tell my Dad this all the time who complains about his pension, but never joins the yearly protest march about the issue ). Sounds like post 2000 cars will be verboeten. Note : I know nothing
I have to disagree JR Tesla's suck and burn down alot! And won't work in
the north where I live.
Ummm Norway has nothing but electric vehicles and last I checked it's not a warm place.
Here in ohio I see teslas parked outside all winter and damn they work fine.
Haven't seen one explode yet.
Do see plenty of semi trucks burning though.....
Throwaway car nightmare. My friend has a 2005(?) Volvo XC90 T6. The security module that cuts the starter, fuel, and plugs (if it thinks the car is being stolen) has gone bad, so he cannot start the car. The module is coded to the VIN of the car, and Volvo has stopped making the module. Swapping the module from another car won't work, because of the VIN coding. Volvo won't release the technology to 3rd part manufacturers. So, this is a giant paperweight.
Agree that nobody on either side of the political aisle really seems to care about right to repair. EVs may also suffer from right to repair issues, but may need fewer complicated repairs.
This is why I try to encourage everyone to prioritize repair and reuse ahead of recycling.
I drive a 1979 Subaru DL. Half the parts are retrofitted from different brands of cars because everything is so basic. Most of the time it's easier to custom retrofit a part than to find the original that may not be made anymore. I have a 1960 Ford 1 barrel carb, a GM HEI ignition module, Ford TFI coil, Suzuki Samurai alternator, Fiat fan temperature switch, Ford 90 degree oil filter adapter, Ford 4.6 oil filter, and more, all on the same car that starts up every time and I can drive it 1500 miles whenever I want. The back seat is held on with hardware store door hinges. I don't even have a radio. I will never buy a newer car. My friend has a 1982 Oldsmobile Toronado with a 5.7 diesel engine, it has almost 700,000 miles on it. It's a diesel so the engine is almost all mechanical. I think there might be one car with no cellular connection. The Mitsubishi Mirage. Or at least it didn't have one a few years ago. A very simple car that more people should buy. And the cellular connection can be disabled on many cars like GM by unplugging the antenna, it won't set a code, it will just always think there is no signal.
There are microcomputers that can replace automotive control units. The more used car dealers replace the ECMs ECUs and whatever, the more right to repair is floated.
The "Government" taught other smaller corporations to do that stuff/how to do it more effectively. It's one of the facets of Fascism Government and Big Business being in bed together. Not actually owning what you purchased and paid for in full. (Property Tax)
What's probably sad about "right to repair" being a thing is that the profits made from repairs aren't going to drop that much because most people would rather pay a dealership/authorized service center to do the repair.
What is happening is that it's being/could be used to widen the disparity of wealth.
You said how amazing the expectation of reliability is. Anti right to repair is setting a stage for furthering built in obsolescence and lemon quality where the wealthy can perpetually pay for repairs and the lower class will not be able to afford to own a car because of maintenance costs, quite possibly.
Also anti right to repair has been around far longer than has been being discussed at large, as a point in semi mainstream media/culture.
Think of how long you've needed a specific type of socket to remove a bolt or particular wrench or screw driver bit to work on any particular car and that's not even considering metric or standard.
I had to spend a couple hundred dollars on specialized tools for my car that and that's only basically the essential ones.
If you can't service a car with a basic mechanics tool set there was probably some anti right to repair type agenda that went into it's design.