Of course the Talion wins! It's basically the basher version of a racing truggy! I've got a Version 1 Talion that is pretty dialed. Love seeing Talion videos, great subject. 100k center diff 6k front 6k rear 90mm tekno pink front springs 90mm tekno orange rear springs 80wt shock oil all around Stock roll bar in front No roll bar in back Slight toe out in front No Ackerman angle Barely any camber front and back Rear camber links set to slope from low to high from center to wheel. Duratrax X cons 1/2 offset wheels/tires.
Great video mark. I like that you put in the video that the talion was on stock esc settings. You know someone would say to bump up the punch to backflip. Both cars are nice and I would love to have both. But I gotta wait. Trying to get my race rigs race ready. Keep up the good work. Love the videos
Very impressive running footage of both rigs but more so damn fine control on the track🍻 I don't mean this in a negative way at all (more so the opposite) when I say you boys sure know how to be so precise and consistent which obviously comes from much practice on that track, almost like your driving skills are at their best on the track more than say free running or bashing in general. I would have been all over that track or any track of that size/difficulty but I've also never raced competitively at all but watching this sure makes me want to give it a try soon. Must say I enjoyed this vid alot and the editing/music really meshed well for sure. Thanks for showing how the fast basher triggers perform on track with/without stock tires both entertaining and educational.
Great comparison but I do have to say it seemed like the sledge was able to dig into the corners better, pretty sure you said that though . Great video, looking forward to the live stream 👍✌️
Thanks for the great content as always. I have the Sledge with response pro tires and i test it on the track also. I think that only issue is that car is really heavy. Because with the new 0,06s servo and responsive tires its ok for fun or hobby race, but it is not really competitive. Friend suggested me take some second hand race truck for not destroy Sledge on the track :-D I will do LCG conversion to my 5years old Slash 4X4 and also i bought cheap second hand TLR22 SCT 2.0 which i completing right now and we will see. I think that Sledge can go only on 4S some small capacity battery on track, and it will be weight difference better than remove T bar.
Great video!! Good comparo too. My bro just picked up a sledge last week. I am impressed. Drives pretty damned well!! I do wonder how much better the talion would drive without the lsd..we have 3 exb models between us(bro and I) and seems to me like the lsd in the exb models really kills the handling.
Seems like the sledge is geared more for us Bashers w original tires and the Talion was more geared for the track w the race tires. I am sticking w the sledge as there aren’t any tracks around here in OH. Been bashing it like my XMAXX and love it!! Thanks for the comparison!
When I first took my Kraton to the track, I learnt that nobody runs Arrma or Taxxas at the track (not around here anyways :P) I Got a 2nd hand buggy to get me started and just got my 1st kit, a Tekno truggy so I can enter 2 classes. Love it and will upgrade my Buggy to Tekno soon too so they can share parts and because my old one is actually heavier than this Truggy. My Kraton is an M2C bash monster and I save my Tekno for the track. :) Thanks for the vidz
Another problem with the Talion is the LSD diffs , much easier to tune with open diffs and the diff fluid . You don't see any of the big name brand race kits with LSD's . Love my Talion V4 with open diffs !!!! Next thing is a sensored motor to really feel smooth and controlled !!!
Hello, don't forget to balance Response pro tires. I balanced it few hours for reach the perfect balance(some wheel has up to 4 different places for the balancing material). Because they are light very much and that's reason why it is not really easy. Balance stock Sledgehammers taken only few minutes.
My bro did like his Slegde over his Talion. Until I put my Kraton tires on it and turned it into a wild animal upping the punch to 9. That got his attention and pretty much game over for the Sledge at that moment. He bought Backflip tires and now the Talion is his #1 car. He didn’t stair at the Slegde, like he does the Talion. Lol. I have to get Tires now for my Kraton, because his Talion is sick now from stock form.
Did you run the talion with the stock belted katars? Just a small gearing change makes the talion stupid fast and it loves the dirt!! Can’t wait to get my hands on a sledge. Love the video as always. Thank you MSM!!!
Are you in my brain LOL the comparisons you’ve done lately are exactly my future purchase decisions Haha next up it’s going to be either the sledge or the talion exb THANK YOU!! Love your Chanel man
Great video as always mark, still want me and X-01, i wanna see someone take that for a speedbreaker car...everyone seems to use arrma,and i do like the limitless however i just love the look of the X-01. Hey u should do a speed build car??? Try and break the world record
I would like to see them running on 4s I put my sledge on 4s and now I can really let the truck eat on the track . Compared to 6s we're I could bearly touch throttle.
Hey Mark, been watching the vlog constantly since I found it some months ago. Bought a Traxxas Bigfoot last November and got the RC bug. Now have two plus a Slash, a GT40 & a Hoss. A SILVER STINGRAY showed up at the door after your trip to the Traxxas store. My wife says I'm out of control. When the Vette showed up, I told her I won it, that flew for about 30 seconds. Now I've got some of the neighborhood kids coming out to play. Keep up the mix you have going pard. Was looking for an older vlog and can't find it. What is the difference between a truggy and a buggy. Can't get a clear answer on the web. Blessings to you and the family. Love it when they show up once in a while. Tommy
I was in the same boat as you when I started 2 years ago. Now I have 14 cars and still want more. Bought my first 5 in the first 5 months of being in the hobby. Trying to get into racing now. Truggy is bigger than buggy. Longer and wider.
@@adrianlifts1838 either is great choice. And a lot of the pets between the 2 are interchangeable. I was given the slash vxl 4x4 and that’s what started me in the hobby. I think the rustler is a little more stable than the slash out the box. With all that said, if I were in the market for a slash or rustler, I would probably by a rustler just because of the looks. It’s why I bought the erevo 2.0 even though a lot of people were telling me to buy the maxx. Regardless of what you get, enjoy the hobby
lol... i've never tried to "I won it" trick... hahahaha! Glad to have you in the hobby. I will do a video between truggy and buggy soon. With all the changes in the truggy recently they almost look like the same thing.
@@bwilRC if you have 2 3s batteries that means they’re equivalent to a 6s because they are wired in series which means the voltage of one of the 3s lipos is doubled so it’s equivalent to a 6s. Think of it this way using 2 3s batteries is like using one 6s that’s been cut in half. Hope that makes more sense.
@@chargelead9429 hel yes that makes more sense to me now. Followed up by the video someone referred me to watch. But really appreciate the time you took for this, thanks a bunch!
I remember in one of your videos a while back you were at your folks house I believe you were shooting a lipo, Made some comments during a video in with those comments I’m wondering if you ever have any plans to start a gunTube channel?
Couple things: 1) MSM isn't sponsored by Traxxas...he does bash with Traxxas cars but he isn't compensated by them 2) if you're looking to get him to a) respond to you and b) try a vehicle out, you could be a whole heck of a lot more respectful
My expectation was that the Talion would take it, I'm surprised in stock form that it didn't do better than the Sledge though. Bad tires are a great equalizer LOL!
I give you a lot of credit for your driving man. I would have been all over the place. You have a lot of control.
Of course the Talion wins! It's basically the basher version of a racing truggy!
I've got a Version 1 Talion that is pretty dialed. Love seeing Talion videos, great subject.
100k center diff
6k front
6k rear
90mm tekno pink front springs
90mm tekno orange rear springs
80wt shock oil all around
Stock roll bar in front
No roll bar in back
Slight toe out in front
No Ackerman angle
Barely any camber front and back
Rear camber links set to slope from low to high from center to wheel.
Duratrax X cons 1/2 offset wheels/tires.
Tires, suspension dialed in, punch setting, weight savings. You know, the typical racing checklist. Great job Sir👍🏾💯🔥
I agree, Armma looked good. More responsive in the turns.
I absolutely love my talion exb. One of the best trucks I have bought to date
Very cool comparison. I figured, once the tires were switched, it would make a huge difference. 😁 Can't wait for Wicked Weekend this year!!
Hell yeah! Let’s see more of these this! Always cool to see bashers on the track. Thanks!!
Wow! That’s a sick track. Great video as always brother!
Great video mark. I like that you put in the video that the talion was on stock esc settings. You know someone would say to bump up the punch to backflip. Both cars are nice and I would love to have both. But I gotta wait. Trying to get my race rigs race ready. Keep up the good work. Love the videos
Great video Mark … we had similar experiences at our grass track sessions
Cool video mate. Watching from Australia. Mabuhay!
Good driving and nice shop I love drivin them 160 mph cars
I am a Traxxas fan but the Talion is bad ass...such a cool R/C.....
Very impressive running footage of both rigs but more so damn fine control on the track🍻 I don't mean this in a negative way at all (more so the opposite) when I say you boys sure know how to be so precise and consistent which obviously comes from much practice on that track, almost like your driving skills are at their best on the track more than say free running or bashing in general. I would have been all over that track or any track of that size/difficulty but I've also never raced competitively at all but watching this sure makes me want to give it a try soon. Must say I enjoyed this vid alot and the editing/music really meshed well for sure. Thanks for showing how the fast basher triggers perform on track with/without stock tires both entertaining and educational.
Your driving is awesome
Great comparison but I do have to say it seemed like the sledge was able to dig into the corners better, pretty sure you said that though . Great video, looking forward to the live stream 👍✌️
Always enjoy watching your videos. You are one of the main reasons why I got into Rc. ..now my new talion is on its way to Guam. ..
Great video Mark, been waiting for this comparison. I do love my talion, but I'd like to get a sledge too at some stage. Thanks for sharing. John
I love how you pass your rc passion to your kids, and the quality time you spend with them, awesome father.
Thanks for the great content as always. I have the Sledge with response pro tires and i test it on the track also. I think that only issue is that car is really heavy. Because with the new 0,06s servo and responsive tires its ok for fun or hobby race, but it is not really competitive. Friend suggested me take some second hand race truck for not destroy Sledge on the track :-D I will do LCG conversion to my 5years old Slash 4X4 and also i bought cheap second hand TLR22 SCT 2.0 which i completing right now and we will see.
I think that Sledge can go only on 4S some small capacity battery on track, and it will be weight difference better than remove T bar.
Talion is no slouch. Great comparison thanks for sharing.
Good Stuff. Thanks for sharing!
Those are the 2 I'm looking into so I appreciate this comparison
I love it....Keep it up with the good work...I have my son and grandson whiting this all the time
Nice circuit, nice car😊
Great video!! Good comparo too. My bro just picked up a sledge last week. I am impressed. Drives pretty damned well!! I do wonder how much better the talion would drive without the lsd..we have 3 exb models between us(bro and I) and seems to me like the lsd in the exb models really kills the handling.
Love the vid these platforms are excellent for people to start out on track and bashing
Really nice track have fun enjoy the week
85 degree iced coffee/tea? Mad respect!
lol.... love it!
Soo where exactly is this awsome track?
Can’t decide if I should get the talion or sledge this weekend
Seems like the sledge is geared more for us Bashers w original tires and the Talion was more geared for the track w the race tires. I am sticking w the sledge as there aren’t any tracks around here in OH. Been bashing it like my XMAXX and love it!! Thanks for the comparison!
You cant go wrong with either... you can def make the sledge a track beast.
Use the v4 arms on the Talion and it will make it so much better. Also remove the center brace and move to plastic braces as well
Man, dat salad look bomb bra!
It's cool ~~ I'm going to watch the video well ~ ^^
Hey man. Why would you want to take the chassis brace off ? Wouldent it be stronger if you kept it on ?
Did they change the track layout?
Good evening brother great video cool cars always great information
Nice review
When I first took my Kraton to the track, I learnt that nobody runs Arrma or Taxxas at the track (not around here anyways :P) I Got a 2nd hand buggy to get me started and just got my 1st kit, a Tekno truggy so I can enter 2 classes. Love it and will upgrade my Buggy to Tekno soon too so they can share parts and because my old one is actually heavier than this Truggy. My Kraton is an M2C bash monster and I save my Tekno for the track. :) Thanks for the vidz
Getting a sledge for Christmas. Already have a Revo and a merv. Been enjoying your videos, finally subbed. Where are you located?
Was it on stock gearing?
Another problem with the Talion is the LSD diffs , much easier to tune with open diffs and the diff fluid . You don't see any of the big name brand race kits with LSD's . Love my Talion V4 with open diffs !!!! Next thing is a sensored motor to really feel smooth and controlled !!!
Finally got the response tires for my Sledge. Also the wheelie bar from Traxxas. Put the 70mph speed gears in. Going to see if it will do it.
Hello, don't forget to balance Response pro tires. I balanced it few hours for reach the perfect balance(some wheel has up to 4 different places for the balancing material). Because they are light very much and that's reason why it is not really easy. Balance stock Sledgehammers taken only few minutes.
I count 41 sec/ lap for both of the cars in the first run 🏃♂️!!!
Wow pit lane drainage ditch!
My bro did like his Slegde over his Talion. Until I put my Kraton tires on it and turned it into a wild animal upping the punch to 9. That got his attention and pretty much game over for the Sledge at that moment. He bought Backflip tires and now the Talion is his #1 car. He didn’t stair at the Slegde, like he does the Talion. Lol. I have to get Tires now for my Kraton, because his Talion is sick now from stock form.
Where is this track?? Looks like a lot of fun!
Dude you are a great dad!! 🤬. Lol
Can you do a review of the Arrma typhon 6s?
Food looks good
Did you run the talion with the stock belted katars? Just a small gearing change makes the talion stupid fast and it loves the dirt!! Can’t wait to get my hands on a sledge. Love the video as always. Thank you MSM!!!
Are you in my brain LOL the comparisons you’ve done lately are exactly my future purchase decisions Haha next up it’s going to be either the sledge or the talion exb
THANK YOU!! Love your Chanel man
haha thanks man!
Your boys a getting so big and good at racing 🏁 😁
Evan is going to crush Silver State next year ;)
Great video as always mark, still want me and X-01, i wanna see someone take that for a speedbreaker car...everyone seems to use arrma,and i do like the limitless however i just love the look of the X-01. Hey u should do a speed build car??? Try and break the world record
I would like to see them running on 4s I put my sledge on 4s and now I can really let the truck eat on the track . Compared to 6s we're I could bearly touch throttle.
Great content and music selection. Amazing track, the UK sucks for tracks by comparison!
I would say the sledge had better control
0:02 😂
Hey Mark, been watching the vlog constantly since I found it some months ago. Bought a Traxxas Bigfoot last November and got the RC bug. Now have two plus a Slash, a GT40 & a Hoss. A SILVER STINGRAY showed up at the door after your trip to the Traxxas store. My wife says I'm out of control. When the Vette showed up, I told her I won it, that flew for about 30 seconds.
Now I've got some of the neighborhood kids coming out to play. Keep up the mix you have going pard.
Was looking for an older vlog and can't find it. What is the difference between a truggy and a buggy. Can't get a clear answer on the web. Blessings to you and the family. Love it when they show up once in a while. Tommy
I was in the same boat as you when I started 2 years ago. Now I have 14 cars and still want more. Bought my first 5 in the first 5 months of being in the hobby. Trying to get into racing now.
Truggy is bigger than buggy. Longer and wider.
I just bought my first traxxa bandit. I want another one too. Which one should I get? I’m thinking either the 4x4 slash vxl or rustler 4x4 vxl
@@adrianlifts1838 either is great choice. And a lot of the pets between the 2 are interchangeable. I was given the slash vxl 4x4 and that’s what started me in the hobby. I think the rustler is a little more stable than the slash out the box. With all that said, if I were in the market for a slash or rustler, I would probably by a rustler just because of the looks. It’s why I bought the erevo 2.0 even though a lot of people were telling me to buy the maxx. Regardless of what you get, enjoy the hobby
lol... i've never tried to "I won it" trick... hahahaha! Glad to have you in the hobby. I will do a video between truggy and buggy soon. With all the changes in the truggy recently they almost look like the same thing.
So question for me is, does two 3s batteries make it a 6s?
Yes.
@@cnb2606 I kinda understand but can you make it make sense 🤔 & thanks for answering my question 💯💯💯
@@bwilRC if you have 2 3s batteries that means they’re equivalent to a 6s because they are wired in series which means the voltage of one of the 3s lipos is doubled so it’s equivalent to a 6s. Think of it this way using 2 3s batteries is like using one 6s that’s been cut in half. Hope that makes more sense.
@@chargelead9429 hel yes that makes more sense to me now. Followed up by the video someone referred me to watch. But really appreciate the time you took for this, thanks a bunch!
2nd🥳🥳😎
I remember in one of your videos a while back you were at your folks house I believe you were shooting a lipo, Made some comments during a video in with those comments I’m wondering if you ever have any plans to start a gunTube channel?
youtube doesnt like guns... hahaha
Run 3.8lp badlands on the talion I switched and glad I did
Of courses arrma mate 😂 ok I'm a one eyed arrma guy 👍🦘😁🤣🤪
That's big tr
I love traxxas but they definitely copied arrma on this one 😅 but seems like everyone is copying eachother these days
mr sponsored traxas man try hobao and team corally hobao vt2e just hit 200 uk mph on an airfield better tha traxas shite
Couple things:
1) MSM isn't sponsored by Traxxas...he does bash with Traxxas cars but he isn't compensated by them
2) if you're looking to get him to a) respond to you and b) try a vehicle out, you could be a whole heck of a lot more respectful
@@RCVictoryLane spot on.
No one in my area stocks Hobao or Team Corally. That would suck if i broke something.
My expectation was that the Talion would take it, I'm surprised in stock form that it didn't do better than the Sledge though. Bad tires are a great equalizer LOL!
Tires are a huge impact... hahaha