Just started Winging. Good to see a demo from another "Clydesdale" body shape. It's a lot harder for us than the 165lb'ers out there that just pop up all the time. Thanks!!
thanks so much, these tips were super beneficial for me today on a new small board in over my head conditions. The foot hook is so crucial on a narrow board. Much gratitude from Maine, USA!
Transitioned from a 145l fanatic to my own gong hipe perf setup with 110l for my 3rd ever wingfoil session and this thing was SO unstable 😅 had to learn what you teach here in 3hrs the hard way - would have been easier when i had watched that vid before 😂 thanks a lot for teaching!
Hey buddy - totally understand where you are coming from. I had the same process! Please send this to anyone who you think will benefit - that's the goal :-) I have several videos in the works which cover the simple stuff that we all learned the hard way, but could help others progress so much faster, so please share those to anyone you see on the beach who could benefit. Hopefully "WingFoilDiary" is easy to remember and pass along :-)
Found this through your link on Facebook and tried it today. It worked well in some decent chop and swell here in the Gorge, getting me on my knees with wing overhead and moving quickly. Still having difficulty at times getting from knees to in balance on feet in either light wind or when overpowered in swell, I do better once I'm actually on foil. This is on a pretty short and wide 120L board and I weigh about 86kg.
Hey DC - glad to hear it helped a bit! The bit about your rear foot 🦶 on its side is the key to getting up easily. Also, I think the front strap helps too…
Diggin’ your tricks. I’m right there. Got my first 10 foot slug ride today (day7). Bend the knees I tell myself on the ride home. 8’8”x26” DWer on the way
Hey Henry! Thanks for the feedback - sounds like you're doing great! I do remember one really excellent description from @DamienLeroyRUclips - Damien says get into a position as if you're about to wrestle! I think that's a great description of a solid wingfoil stance when you're learning the balance.
It is almost what I found out myself. Will try holding the front handle instead of the leading edge handle. Must be far more efficient. Until now I swapped from the LE handle to the second front handle and then to the front handle. Why? What you do is so much better. Will also try the overboard foot. I just started on a sinker (56L) and also have a 20" wide 6'6" downwind board, which gets exponentially more difficult to mount when the chop/waves get higher.
Cool video! Thank you. It would be nice to include info on the gear you were riding and the wind conditions in the description, if it is not too much trouble.
Hey there - I can't quite remember the wind conditions, but the board is a 105L GONG Hipe Pro, the wing is the Droid 6m from 2023, and the foil is the Veloce v2 1500cm with a Fluid H stab of 290cm. Hope that helps!
Is it possible to do a windsurfing style water start or wakeboard style? Lying on your back with your feet on the board and allowing the wing to pull you up??
In theory for sure. But with wing, the "sail" size is generally smaller, and therefore less powerful, and it lacks the direct connection with the board. So it's harder, and I've not seen it done at my spots.
Wind I don't recall - it certainly wasn't massive! The smaller board is 105L, the long board is 135L, I'm around 100kg here, and the foil is the Veloce v2 with 1500cm2.
Thank you for sharing, it's very helpfull ! I am a beginner, it was very difficult for me to standup in the hipe 110L. Right now I can standup easily, even if there are waves. Do you think it will be easy for me to standup on the cruzader board ( if I decide to buy one ) or it's more difficult than standup on the hipe ? A new challenge for be ? What is your foil and stab to this ride ? Same combo for the ride with hipe and with cruzader ? What about compatibility ? Thanks
Hey buddy... firstly, if you can manage the HIPE in waves, then you are ready for a Cruz. Only take it 20 more litres than you would take a regular board. And if you are not Pro level, take one of the XL sizes - it is just a little more steady. It's never easy to stand up on such a narrow board, and that is why this technique is really important - then it becomes easy. With the Cruz, honestly most often I am riding the Veloce v2 XXL, but I am sure that I could ride smaller. But for me I like to use the Cruz to be able to use a smaller wing - so I keep a bit of size on the foil, and the slip of the Cruz lets me launch with a smaller wing. I use the Fluid H45 with this foil normally, although recently I start to use the Veloce H47, and it's more sensitive in pitch but the glide is ++... I do ride the same set-up on the HIPE Pro - in this video actually everything is with the Veloce v2 XXL, HM85 and Fluid H45 - the same on both boards. The mast setting in the foil tracks is also the same - for me the front edge of the mast foot at 4.5... No problem with compatibility - in GONG everything works together. Basically, if you take your same foil set-up, and wing, and set it up on a Cruz, you will launch in MUCH lighter conditions than before, because the board speed up SO easily. That's the best way to understand it - if you change nothing else than the board, suddenly you can ride in MUCH lighter conditions, because the launch comes so easy. The balance will come - learn this technique on your HIPE, and you'll adjust to the Cruz within a session. Enjoy man - it's the BEST single thing I've bought for wingfoil in terms of how many more days I've been able to ride and enjoy. If I had to have one board only, it would 100% be a Cruz.
Hey buddy… when I run the v2 Veloce, v2 Curve, X-Over or Ypra S I have the front edge of the mast plate on 4.5… the Sirus I have it all the way forward at 7… this is more because I want to ride the board flatter on the water when starting the Sirus, and I tend to ride the Sirus with my back foot much further forward as it seems to facilitate pumping better for me. I’m in strapless as you can see, but I think my front foot tends to be in a similar place. Hope that helps.
Hey brother - congrats on starting an awesome sport! Gong just released some gear that looks SO fantastic for beginners in inflatable... for your wing I'd probably take the Droid Perf in 6m, along with the 8'0 HIPE Learn - this board will be amazing for beginning on! Very innovative and although I haven't ridden it, I have ridden enough to think this will be incredible for you. Foil wise, no question, take any of the 85cm masts - if you are happy to spend a bit, take the HM86, if not then just take the V2 Aluminium mast system, and finally for the foil take the X-Over XXL in v2 along with the XL X-Over stab - perfect! The SUPERCOOL thing about the board is that you can ride is without the foil at first, but it has a great system to help keep you upwind. Just great.
Interesting approach. Have you tried this on a small board in big swell? That caddy corner approach seems like it would be tough in those conditions. I prefer laying flat on the board before starting the stink bug. But this seems like a cool trick for downwind style boards. Completely agree with you about the inflatables. I used to start my 120 I-Fly in super light wind before anyone else was on foil. And that thing is shaped like a door.
Dude! Thanks for watching my channel - I'm stoked that you're here, as your channel has been massively helpful to me :-) you have a great video on the same topic - actually you're the "you know who you are" guy I refer to in the intro! But yes, the corner bit really works better for me than laying flat on the board, especially for the new narrower boards. With regard to big swell, man, I must confess my spots are ALL about wind chop - we very rarely get proper swell, so I'll defer to your experience on that!
I’ll have to try your method maybe this afternoon. Your foot hook is cool. Sometimes if it works out I actually hook my toes around the back footstrap haha
Hey buddy… it’s a 7 with 135L for my 97kg… Wing pumping…. I found having rigid handles a big help but of course not a necessary. I like to think of the motion as: lean forward a bit to scoop air while lifting wing up and forward, scoop down and back whilst standing up again from your lean. Repeat. This tends to get the board oscillation going as well and that’s a bit part of this.
@@wingfoildiary ... after looking at this comment, i think my downwind board is a little undersized. Im attempting this on a 8'2" xt dragonfly 121 liters and Im 97 kg. feeling the horse throwing me at any moment. Ive only managed to get to my knees so far.
Looking at that downwind board, and I got a new plane for wing learning. I am 93kg, we have light thermal wind most of the time. Most closest to me 8-11kts onshore with waves, more remote is 11-14kts cross onshore with waves. I asked you before and you suggested to start with the zuma + xxl foil. So I am thinking to learn separatly - to learn wing with sup (it has dagger fin) and to learn foil with dock start... Did you try dock start? Anyway, maybe when I know foil and know wing, I would be able to start straight with the downwind board in the light wind...while using this Stink Bug Start! because downwind board will enable me to start with the lowest wind , if I know how to pump foil and I used wing, it will help... What do you think ? 😁
Hey buddy! I think that my first advice is still right… everybody tries to find some way to make a short cut to learn wing without the big board, big foil, big wing stage. But this stage is so necessary. Then you can learn without spending all your time swimming 😊 Zuma plus XXL X-Over with X-Over H48 stab is really perfect.
I do it nearly the same way. The difference: i grap from under with my fronthand, so i could see the palm of my hand. The wing catches the wind sooner…
You are right! :-) gotta work with whatever turns up on the session. I'd love to have had some bigger chop to demo it better, but that's what we got that day :-) hopefully it shows the technique well enough though!
Just started Winging. Good to see a demo from another "Clydesdale" body shape. It's a lot harder for us than the 165lb'ers out there that just pop up all the time. Thanks!!
haha brilliant!
Im with you on that one.
great to see the downwind board realistically at this launch moment, how it angles etc.
Love that camera… it’s filmed with the FlyMount 130… great system!
thanks so much, these tips were super beneficial for me today on a new small board in over my head conditions. The foot hook is so crucial on a narrow board. Much gratitude from Maine, USA!
Ah man that's brilliant! Dude I've been in love with Maine ever since I saw it in a National Geographic magazine as a kid... Still never been though!
Great spots here to ride waves and flat water! Bring your Gong and we can ride maybe next summer! Gong fan here too.
Thanks brother!
Well game changer, thank you! It took me a few tries to learn and I was able to get up on 3/4 foot waves, amazing
hey buddy - that's awesome to read! Thanks for letting me know!
Thank you so much! I was struggling with stink bug start on my narrow dw board. Tried this today and it works like a charm!
Great tip. Used in last time out in very choppy conditions.
Ah that’s great man! Thanks for letting me know! Pass it on ;-)
Transitioned from a 145l fanatic to my own gong hipe perf setup with 110l for my 3rd ever wingfoil session and this thing was SO unstable 😅 had to learn what you teach here in 3hrs the hard way - would have been easier when i had watched that vid before 😂 thanks a lot for teaching!
Hey buddy - totally understand where you are coming from. I had the same process! Please send this to anyone who you think will benefit - that's the goal :-) I have several videos in the works which cover the simple stuff that we all learned the hard way, but could help others progress so much faster, so please share those to anyone you see on the beach who could benefit. Hopefully "WingFoilDiary" is easy to remember and pass along :-)
It seems a good tip. I''ll try on my next session.
Great! Hope it helps you out 🤙🏻😎
Found this through your link on Facebook and tried it today. It worked well in some decent chop and swell here in the Gorge, getting me on my knees with wing overhead and moving quickly. Still having difficulty at times getting from knees to in balance on feet in either light wind or when overpowered in swell, I do better once I'm actually on foil. This is on a pretty short and wide 120L board and I weigh about 86kg.
Hey DC - glad to hear it helped a bit! The bit about your rear foot 🦶 on its side is the key to getting up easily. Also, I think the front strap helps too…
Solid tips! I also hook my foot on the rail for more stability & control. I like your content. Subscribed 🤙
Hey Jerome! Thank you brother! Good sessions 🤙🏻😎
Diggin’ your tricks. I’m right there. Got my first 10 foot slug ride today (day7). Bend the knees I tell myself on the ride home. 8’8”x26” DWer on the way
Hey Henry! Thanks for the feedback - sounds like you're doing great! I do remember one really excellent description from @DamienLeroyRUclips - Damien says get into a position as if you're about to wrestle! I think that's a great description of a solid wingfoil stance when you're learning the balance.
Thanks for that. I'll try today at the Gold Coast
Awesome - hope it helps 🤙🏻
It is almost what I found out myself.
Will try holding the front handle instead of the leading edge handle.
Must be far more efficient.
Until now I swapped from the LE handle to the second front handle and then to the front handle. Why? What you do is so much better.
Will also try the overboard foot.
I just started on a sinker (56L) and also have a 20" wide 6'6" downwind board, which gets exponentially more difficult to mount when the chop/waves get higher.
Great tip thanks for sharing. 👍🏄🏼♂️
Thanks buddy!
On dirait que c'est facile ,merci 🙏🙏🙏
Mega - merci aussi :-)
Cool video! Thank you.
It would be nice to include info on the gear you were riding and the wind conditions in the description, if it is not too much trouble.
Hey there - I can't quite remember the wind conditions, but the board is a 105L GONG Hipe Pro, the wing is the Droid 6m from 2023, and the foil is the Veloce v2 1500cm with a Fluid H stab of 290cm. Hope that helps!
Is it possible to do a windsurfing style water start or wakeboard style? Lying on your back with your feet on the board and allowing the wing to pull you up??
In theory for sure. But with wing, the "sail" size is generally smaller, and therefore less powerful, and it lacks the direct connection with the board. So it's harder, and I've not seen it done at my spots.
What wind were the videos shot in, and what volume boards are you on, your weight, wing and foil size? thanks!
Wind I don't recall - it certainly wasn't massive! The smaller board is 105L, the long board is 135L, I'm around 100kg here, and the foil is the Veloce v2 with 1500cm2.
Great vid! how did you secure the camera onto the wing? I presume flymount? and camera insta360 go 2? THanks
Hi - yes - I used the FlyMount and the Insta Go2. Absolutely great system from both of them! Thanks for watching!
awesome, thanks for your tips!
Very nice video!! Thank you!
Thank you Louise :-) glad you enjoyed it...
amazing video, thank you! is safe to use that inflatable cruzader board in surfing?
Yes certainly but it’s for the small stuff where nothing else will ride…
Thank you for sharing, it's very helpfull !
I am a beginner, it was very difficult for me to standup in the hipe 110L.
Right now I can standup easily, even if there are waves.
Do you think it will be easy for me to standup on the cruzader board ( if I decide to buy one ) or it's more difficult than standup on the hipe ? A new challenge for be ?
What is your foil and stab to this ride ? Same combo for the ride with hipe and with cruzader ? What about compatibility ?
Thanks
Hey buddy... firstly, if you can manage the HIPE in waves, then you are ready for a Cruz. Only take it 20 more litres than you would take a regular board. And if you are not Pro level, take one of the XL sizes - it is just a little more steady. It's never easy to stand up on such a narrow board, and that is why this technique is really important - then it becomes easy. With the Cruz, honestly most often I am riding the Veloce v2 XXL, but I am sure that I could ride smaller. But for me I like to use the Cruz to be able to use a smaller wing - so I keep a bit of size on the foil, and the slip of the Cruz lets me launch with a smaller wing. I use the Fluid H45 with this foil normally, although recently I start to use the Veloce H47, and it's more sensitive in pitch but the glide is ++... I do ride the same set-up on the HIPE Pro - in this video actually everything is with the Veloce v2 XXL, HM85 and Fluid H45 - the same on both boards. The mast setting in the foil tracks is also the same - for me the front edge of the mast foot at 4.5... No problem with compatibility - in GONG everything works together. Basically, if you take your same foil set-up, and wing, and set it up on a Cruz, you will launch in MUCH lighter conditions than before, because the board speed up SO easily. That's the best way to understand it - if you change nothing else than the board, suddenly you can ride in MUCH lighter conditions, because the launch comes so easy. The balance will come - learn this technique on your HIPE, and you'll adjust to the Cruz within a session. Enjoy man - it's the BEST single thing I've bought for wingfoil in terms of how many more days I've been able to ride and enjoy. If I had to have one board only, it would 100% be a Cruz.
Thank you very much for answer....waaah cruzader...one day it will be mine 😊
Enjoy !
The new Diamond looks brilliant. A really cool concept at the rear.
What‘s your take on mast position on the Cruzader?
Hey buddy… when I run the v2 Veloce, v2 Curve, X-Over or Ypra S I have the front edge of the mast plate on 4.5… the Sirus I have it all the way forward at 7… this is more because I want to ride the board flatter on the water when starting the Sirus, and I tend to ride the Sirus with my back foot much further forward as it seems to facilitate pumping better for me. I’m in strapless as you can see, but I think my front foot tends to be in a similar place. Hope that helps.
Great video! 🙌😊 Which gong set will you recommend for a guy that weigh 115 kg and are a complete beginner? It needs to be inflatable.
Hey brother - congrats on starting an awesome sport! Gong just released some gear that looks SO fantastic for beginners in inflatable... for your wing I'd probably take the Droid Perf in 6m, along with the 8'0 HIPE Learn - this board will be amazing for beginning on! Very innovative and although I haven't ridden it, I have ridden enough to think this will be incredible for you. Foil wise, no question, take any of the 85cm masts - if you are happy to spend a bit, take the HM86, if not then just take the V2 Aluminium mast system, and finally for the foil take the X-Over XXL in v2 along with the XL X-Over stab - perfect! The SUPERCOOL thing about the board is that you can ride is without the foil at first, but it has a great system to help keep you upwind. Just great.
Interesting approach. Have you tried this on a small board in big swell? That caddy corner approach seems like it would be tough in those conditions. I prefer laying flat on the board before starting the stink bug. But this seems like a cool trick for downwind style boards.
Completely agree with you about the inflatables. I used to start my 120 I-Fly in super light wind before anyone else was on foil. And that thing is shaped like a door.
Dude! Thanks for watching my channel - I'm stoked that you're here, as your channel has been massively helpful to me :-) you have a great video on the same topic - actually you're the "you know who you are" guy I refer to in the intro! But yes, the corner bit really works better for me than laying flat on the board, especially for the new narrower boards. With regard to big swell, man, I must confess my spots are ALL about wind chop - we very rarely get proper swell, so I'll defer to your experience on that!
I’ll have to try your method maybe this afternoon. Your foot hook is cool. Sometimes if it works out I actually hook my toes around the back footstrap haha
Awesome! Hope it helps man - again, stoked to have you here brother! Thanks for all your help from your channel 🤙🏻😎
What size downwind board were you riding and any tips on light wind wing pumping?
Hey buddy… it’s a 7 with 135L for my 97kg… Wing pumping…. I found having rigid handles a big help but of course not a necessary. I like to think of the motion as: lean forward a bit to scoop air while lifting wing up and forward, scoop down and back whilst standing up again from your lean. Repeat. This tends to get the board oscillation going as well and that’s a bit part of this.
@@wingfoildiary ... after looking at this comment, i think my downwind board is a little undersized. Im attempting this on a 8'2" xt dragonfly 121 liters and Im 97 kg. feeling the horse throwing me at any moment. Ive only managed to get to my knees so far.
Sorry for the late reply! I guess you have it figured by now!
Looking at that downwind board, and I got a new plane for wing learning.
I am 93kg, we have light thermal wind most of the time. Most closest to me 8-11kts onshore with waves, more remote is 11-14kts cross onshore with waves.
I asked you before and you suggested to start with the zuma + xxl foil.
So I am thinking to learn separatly - to learn wing with sup (it has dagger fin) and to learn foil with dock start...
Did you try dock start?
Anyway, maybe when I know foil and know wing, I would be able to start straight with the downwind board in the light wind...while using this Stink Bug Start!
because downwind board will enable me to start with the lowest wind , if I know how to pump foil and I used wing, it will help...
What do you think ? 😁
Hey buddy! I think that my first advice is still right… everybody tries to find some way to make a short cut to learn wing without the big board, big foil, big wing stage. But this stage is so necessary. Then you can learn without spending all your time swimming 😊
Zuma plus XXL X-Over with X-Over H48 stab is really perfect.
Great tip - Thankyou!
PS How is your Insta camera mounted to your wing? Thanks!
Hey Paul - I use the FlyMount 130 - great piece of kit 🤙🏻
awesome - thanks!@@wingfoildiary
Merci beaucoup ! :) cheers mate
What volume boards are you riding ? Whats your weight ?
Hey buddy… sorry for the late reply! My short board is the same as my weight - 105, and my downwind is 135
I do it nearly the same way. The difference: i grap from under with my fronthand, so i could see the palm of my hand. The wing catches the wind sooner…
Either works great! Thanks for watching :-)
Excellent !
Thanks bro!
That's mini chop
You are right! :-) gotta work with whatever turns up on the session. I'd love to have had some bigger chop to demo it better, but that's what we got that day :-) hopefully it shows the technique well enough though!