I really like how his comment about luring in Mol by letting her win also applies to the PC in that moment. By helping Mol to win, the PC also is lured in with the idea of being able to best him. They did a great job writing him as a manipulative bastard.
Yes BUT the fun thing about Raphael is that he genuinely IS a bit of a loser who completely underestimated the situation he was trying to "take advantage" of. Made even better that it's Gortash, a person he raised, who set all this into motion in the first place after getting one over on Raphael's much more powerful father. Raphael is running to keep up the whole time, and whoa boy is he loosing. =p
No matter what you do, if you help Mol win the game or cause her to lose it, Raphael wins. By winning, Mol's confidence is bolstered to a level where she thinks she can outwit Raphael again and again. Which of course is false, it just makes her cocky and easy to manipulate. By losing, it shakes her confidence, sows doubt in her own abilities and cleverness, which makes it all the easier for Raphael to find an opening to exploit.
Raphael telling Mol to "guard your Mystra or come for my Cyric" is such a wonderful little moment of writing I completely missed. Cyric is the one who murdered Mystra and caused the Spellplague that undid magic for a period of time. Cambion Raphael using Cyric to attack Tiefling Child Mol's Mystra is a wonderfully satisfying irony
When I found him on my recent playthrough, I destroyed the chair he was sitting on as a prank. Not only was it hilarious, it also triggered the second dialogue instead of the first one.
The after Isobel fight is a reference to one of the souls in the House of Hope I think! I recognized it when he mentioned Kethorics army from a long time ago. The Moonrise Towers' architect.
Yup. He built the towers so tall they could "dry the tears of Selune" but when the land was attacked by Shar and Ketheric defected he begged Raphael to give him an army of demons to kill the Sharrans. They worked too well, yet Ketheric's contingency plan came into effect and the land was subsumed by shadow (also somewhat explains why the Harper and Sharran corpses you find in the shadowlands are both killed at the same time, why Yurgir is still in the mausoleum trying to hunt down the last Justiciars that fled into the Shar Gauntlet and that he probably sucked the souls of the Harpers, Sharrans, Selunites and the architect's soul value itself).
Pretty sure this broke recently? Every time I get to Last Light Inn now, even if its the first time I'm getting there on that playthrough, Mol is already standing up telling me to leave her alone and Raphael proceeds with the "After Isobel Fight" variant...
Glad it’s not just me lmao, I was so confused about Mol’s deal, took me until I found it in the House of Hope to actually realise they made one at the inn instead of just standing conveniently clsoe
_My dear _*_nothing_*_ is collateral._ _Drivers trouble themselves with "free wheels"... As if their sellers had not molded _*_every_*_ premium insurance package ahead!"_
@@stellargravitywell1828 a dumbass kid who is also annoyingly cocky for no reason to back the cockiness up. Kagha was right, she just targeted the wrong child instead of Mol
@@GhalanSmokeScale yes, but sadly, it's not the same, although you have to wonder how Larian could put it in the game. However, it just irks me that you can be with Mizora & not with Raphael. Nothing against the people who love Mizora. She is pretty cool. Not a nice lady, but still.
My humble Monk named Aang punched tf out his smug face just after telling him that I wanted to kill him the moment I met him. Simply got tired of his constant passive-aggressive insults. His VA did a phenomenal job portraying him all proud/narcissist. Also, stunning strike goes brrrr in this fight.
The Emperor telling me not to go to the House of Hope.. lmao.. like bro stfu.. he asked for smoke now I'm gonna smoke him in his own house, I don't give a damn about no hammer.
My bard just wanted to go f@ck him up, I always saw Raphael as an evil bard, the way he was always rhyming, and quoting… Then of course, the song. Cackled so much
No matter how many playthroughs, I've never been able to get the first scene to play. I'll come to him before talking to Isobel, while Mol is still across the table from him, but it only ever plays the second cutscene for some reason. No idea why.
I got the scene on my first playthrough as a rogue, but not this time around. The only difference between the two is that this time, I actually gave money to Mol as an investment for her to reach the Gate. My guess is that with the extra money, she feels confident enough in herself that she won't give Raphael the time of day, so he is just sitting alone in the table on my second playthrough and thus I can only do the second version as well
Wow this guy really does you hot and cold, first he's polite and then suddenly he's like "YOU WILL BEG ON YOUR BARE KNEES IN THE DIRT" for seemingly no reason. Is he trying to neg you or something?
I think the second one is actually more interesting. Calling himself our "better" is surprisingly candid of him, and he hints at the fact that he used Yurgir to defeat Ketheric's army of dark justiciars before trapping the orthon. The architect of moonrise sold his soul to Raphael for it. I'm actually a bit stunned he mentions it. I felt so proud finding this out throughout the game lol
You need to talk to Raphael at the Last Light Inn. He's only there if Mol is still alive and if you haven't yet explored a certain other part of the Act 2 map. But according to recent comments this scene no longer works as it should since the last patch so you might only get the second version of this scene 🙂
i’ve only gotten it once, and that was in my first play thru, which was before the latest patch. i’m thinking it was either removed or is somehow bugged
Out of all my interactions with this, this one had him seeming his most benevolent. Maybe he actually has to contract with someone, before he can help them. Contracts are a Devils law & order in this universe. I personally dont see how any contract he signs with Mol could amount to anything. What use would he have for a pickpocket? He wont make a deal unless you have something he wants.
According to other commenters this scene is a little bit different now, maybe one of the patches changed it. I haven't started a new game since the patches so I can't confirm it. Did you interact with him while he was playing chess with Mol? This used to trigger the first scene
Mol is probably the stupidest tiefling I ever saw. Acting like a adult but getting outsmarted by a devil. I thought she genuienly cares for the other kids but no she doesnt. If you go the guild in Act 3 you can meet her again. She acts like she got herself free from Moonrise towers, letting us feel like a fool and says she will run things in the future. When you meet some other tiefling kids some of them sell newspapers to get by and they are like "Mol is busy and we have to work." She is really a fcking tyrant thats why I went to Raphaels House in the first place not bc of the Orphic Hammer but more to take her contract and say in her face that Raphael is dead and wont be helping her anymore. DAMN THAT FELT GOOD!
Gaunter - less cartoon villain-like, had a more sinister vibe but still likeable, and far more powerful. Still enjoy Raphael though, voice actor did a good job.
"she still has the unconditional freedom to choose the only option she has left." God I love that line
Me, being a dumbass in real life, would probably end up selling my soul to Raphael in exchange for him reading my favourite book to me or something.
Especially if it is a spicy book...
Raphael wouldn't obtain your soul then, it would probably be a lesser devil under his service that would
FUN FACT. his voice actor has done a ridiculous amount of audio book narration so. ...
@@atlatia7470 .... OP actually did it the mad lad.
I'll probably do that and ask him to read me a comic.... with all the effects like wooshh, swing, clank, etc.
I could listen to Raphael talk for hours.
His VA really has an amazing voice 😳
Hell yes 0w0
lucky for you, his VA does audiobooks! i believe a lot of them are romance focused as well
:O Nice >///< @@aNotoriousPhD
I know right!
They nailed the charming devil character. I enjoyed smiting him.
😂😂😂 me too!!
same using smite never felt more fitting
I really like how his comment about luring in Mol by letting her win also applies to the PC in that moment. By helping Mol to win, the PC also is lured in with the idea of being able to best him. They did a great job writing him as a manipulative bastard.
Yes BUT the fun thing about Raphael is that he genuinely IS a bit of a loser who completely underestimated the situation he was trying to "take advantage" of. Made even better that it's Gortash, a person he raised, who set all this into motion in the first place after getting one over on Raphael's much more powerful father. Raphael is running to keep up the whole time, and whoa boy is he loosing. =p
No matter what you do, if you help Mol win the game or cause her to lose it, Raphael wins. By winning, Mol's confidence is bolstered to a level where she thinks she can outwit Raphael again and again. Which of course is false, it just makes her cocky and easy to manipulate. By losing, it shakes her confidence, sows doubt in her own abilities and cleverness, which makes it all the easier for Raphael to find an opening to exploit.
Raphael telling Mol to "guard your Mystra or come for my Cyric" is such a wonderful little moment of writing I completely missed.
Cyric is the one who murdered Mystra and caused the Spellplague that undid magic for a period of time. Cambion Raphael using Cyric to attack Tiefling Child Mol's Mystra is a wonderfully satisfying irony
When I found him on my recent playthrough, I destroyed the chair he was sitting on as a prank. Not only was it hilarious, it also triggered the second dialogue instead of the first one.
Lol
The after Isobel fight is a reference to one of the souls in the House of Hope I think! I recognized it when he mentioned Kethorics army from a long time ago. The Moonrise Towers' architect.
Yup. He built the towers so tall they could "dry the tears of Selune" but when the land was attacked by Shar and Ketheric defected he begged Raphael to give him an army of demons to kill the Sharrans. They worked too well, yet Ketheric's contingency plan came into effect and the land was subsumed by shadow (also somewhat explains why the Harper and Sharran corpses you find in the shadowlands are both killed at the same time, why Yurgir is still in the mausoleum trying to hunt down the last Justiciars that fled into the Shar Gauntlet and that he probably sucked the souls of the Harpers, Sharrans, Selunites and the architect's soul value itself).
@@TheKnightOfSmite Wouldn't it have been an army of devils since Raphael is in Avernus? Thank you for the information.
@@Suzanne_sfyeah devils is probably right. It was Yurgir and his legion of merregons that you see in the game when you get there.
@@abduljah9355 thank you! :)
Pretty sure this broke recently? Every time I get to Last Light Inn now, even if its the first time I'm getting there on that playthrough, Mol is already standing up telling me to leave her alone and Raphael proceeds with the "After Isobel Fight" variant...
Same here 😊
Same
Same.
Still an early access game
Glad it’s not just me lmao, I was so confused about Mol’s deal, took me until I found it in the House of Hope to actually realise they made one at the inn instead of just standing conveniently clsoe
I love how he sounds like a car salesmen when he says " you will consider my offer though"
_My dear _*_nothing_*_ is collateral._
_Drivers trouble themselves with "free wheels"... As if their sellers had not molded _*_every_*_ premium insurance package ahead!"_
Mol thought that selling her soul to the man who easily outplays her in a chess variant is a good idea?
9 year olds getting groomed by extremely charismatic devils is their own fault, yes
She is just a kid
And then she wins, best way to buff a kid’s ego is to let them win.
She knew I'd end up killing Raphael, Mol is out there playing 4D lanceboard
@@stellargravitywell1828 a dumbass kid who is also annoyingly cocky for no reason to back the cockiness up. Kagha was right, she just targeted the wrong child instead of Mol
I just realized that the bread and bloody butter comment is also referenced later on in a certain ending with a certain wizard achieving godhood
He is so good with kids
Marriage material ❤
Yes. But my Eladrielle's heart is already taken :D@@vnsynnyg
Except Raphael made her a deal
@@Crystalthewolf1000 Mh nah, she'd never leave her first in her heart ❤️
@@Crystalthewolf1000 thatsthejoke.jpg
No matter how much I’ve played this game, I’m floored by the insane amount I haven’t (and likely never will) see
him mentioning us being on our knees in the dirt…i…need therapy 🥵
weirdo
@@ulysses988 thx
People got the weirdest kinks
@@ulysses988aren’t we all, playing this game
@@mikey4617 nope, just a good game for me. Not making it weird like you guys
i'm so gay for this man...
Raphael flirts with Tav the *entire* time, but there's no romance yet with Raphael? Not fair! Thank you for the video!
closest you get to fucking Raphael is with a certain Incubus in the House of Hope.
@@GhalanSmokeScale yes, but sadly, it's not the same, although you have to wonder how Larian could put it in the game. However, it just irks me that you can be with Mizora & not with Raphael. Nothing against the people who love Mizora. She is pretty cool. Not a nice lady, but still.
4:35 that foreshadowing is insane
He’s my fav character in the game because he’s the most intelligent. He’s a devil you can fight with logic.
I'll beg with my knees in the dirt for him 😩 I could listen to Raphael forever
LETMEROMANCERAPHAELFORHELLSAKE
Thats what I've ben sayinggg. We need to be able to romance him
Too bad he's a one pump chump. Pretty fucking pathetic if you ask me.
@@lenakingsleighhe's canonical bad in bed 🤣
@@LordAxiomVarojust like me fr
I am afraid, if you would do such a thing, he will feel nothing but contemption to you) What could be more boring than a loyal dog?😁
My humble Monk named Aang punched tf out his smug face just after telling him that I wanted to kill him the moment I met him. Simply got tired of his constant passive-aggressive insults. His VA did a phenomenal job portraying him all proud/narcissist.
Also, stunning strike goes brrrr in this fight.
My open hand monk with radiate punches and reverberation gloves let Raphael neither move nor see
Who knew a devil would be a proud narcissist.
I don’t think this chess scene works anymore… sad bc it was fun interaction
yeah it only ever triggered for me just once on my first playthrough that got to act 2, i think a patch busted it.
I've never seen the scebe honestly. I didnt know this was even a thing
The chess scene still works, considering you can get an inspiration in the sage background by relaying Gale's advice to Mol while he's in your party.
Weird, I always got the later part despite not having done the isobelle part yet
The Emperor telling me not to go to the House of Hope.. lmao.. like bro stfu.. he asked for smoke now I'm gonna smoke him in his own house, I don't give a damn about no hammer.
My bard just wanted to go f@ck him up, I always saw Raphael as an evil bard, the way he was always rhyming, and quoting… Then of course, the song. Cackled so much
No matter how many playthroughs, I've never been able to get the first scene to play. I'll come to him before talking to Isobel, while Mol is still across the table from him, but it only ever plays the second cutscene for some reason. No idea why.
Might only trigger for wizards
I got the scene on my first playthrough as a rogue, but not this time around.
The only difference between the two is that this time, I actually gave money to Mol as an investment for her to reach the Gate. My guess is that with the extra money, she feels confident enough in herself that she won't give Raphael the time of day, so he is just sitting alone in the table on my second playthrough and thus I can only do the second version as well
Well, they actually took out the first scene.
@@lepoblak Wait, they Why would a cutscene, much less one with Raphael, be removed?
@@aidankeogh9994he’s wrong, it wasn’t removed
Mol is the actual main character of bg3
Wow this guy really does you hot and cold, first he's polite and then suddenly he's like "YOU WILL BEG ON YOUR BARE KNEES IN THE DIRT" for seemingly no reason. Is he trying to neg you or something?
I talked to him and Mol before the Isobel fight, yet got the after Isobel fight dialogue...have no idea why.
Is this scene still broken in recent patch?
I never get this interaction between them, neither before or after saving isobel
me neither, not sure how they are getting it, Mol just without Raphael entering the dialogue.
Did they cut the chess scene un the update
Seems so
No, chess scene is before meeting cleric, this is what you get if you talk after meeting cleric.@@ghostgirl6746
In my honor mode Mol bugged and stays above chair hope this wont breack my game(sadly that Honor mode gole is just to beat it)
Never had a scene like this when/how does this happen?😮
I’ve never seen this scene before!
Anyone got data on what % of players correctly chose 'trap ... opening'. ?
I don't think so, I had the second one before the Isobel fight
The second one seems a bit unstructured and rushed. It made little sense to me.
I think the second one is actually more interesting. Calling himself our "better" is surprisingly candid of him, and he hints at the fact that he used Yurgir to defeat Ketheric's army of dark justiciars before trapping the orthon. The architect of moonrise sold his soul to Raphael for it. I'm actually a bit stunned he mentions it. I felt so proud finding this out throughout the game lol
Two play throughs, and had no idea this was a thing
so sad i didnt get the chess even before
is the second variant for both winning or losing the fight?
For some reason i didnt get this cutscene
Am I the only one to only get the second version without doing the Isobel fight?
Me.
Me. I didn’t know the first version existed
i talked to him before the fight but got the 2nd scene?
One day they'll fix this scene so I can actually see it. :(
How can i get these lines? I've met him plaing chess with Mol but his lines were different, also he talked less....
"A BLUSHING" WHAT?! "BEGGING TO" HUH???? Keep this man away from schools
?
@@D4NTHEDANCER he calls Mol, a child a "A blushing red apple begging to be plucked".... gross
@@ivycass9529 maybe because she's red...yknow...like an apple
@@D4NTHEDANCER explain the rest of the quote then, what does "begging to be plucked" mean in this circumstance?
Yeah huge creeper vibes.
How and where do you get this scene to trigger?
how can you get this scene? cant seem to find it
You need to talk to Raphael at the Last Light Inn. He's only there if Mol is still alive and if you haven't yet explored a certain other part of the Act 2 map. But according to recent comments this scene no longer works as it should since the last patch so you might only get the second version of this scene 🙂
How did you get this interaction?
i’ve only gotten it once, and that was in my first play thru, which was before the latest patch. i’m thinking it was either removed or is somehow bugged
Out of all my interactions with this, this one had him seeming his most benevolent. Maybe he actually has to contract with someone, before he can help them. Contracts are a Devils law & order in this universe. I personally dont see how any contract he signs with Mol could amount to anything. What use would he have for a pickpocket? He wont make a deal unless you have something he wants.
Depends on what that pickpocket grows up to be.
mhh i had the after isobel fight dialogue before even talking to isobel o.0
but mol is alive and my friend nonetheless
According to other commenters this scene is a little bit different now, maybe one of the patches changed it. I haven't started a new game since the patches so I can't confirm it. Did you interact with him while he was playing chess with Mol? This used to trigger the first scene
@@vnsynnyg mol didnt even played chess with him she was standing next to the table and neither she nor raphael triggered the first conversation
@@yibrahimovic569 Ohh, then it's probably a bug. Sometimes the patches break things. Maybe a future hotfix or patch will fix it!
Is he moving twice in a row?
I... never got this cutscene? She's always standing nervously near him not wanting to be talked to. I took it that he was a paedo...
its bugged
Mol is probably the stupidest tiefling I ever saw. Acting like a adult but getting outsmarted by a devil.
I thought she genuienly cares for the other kids but no she doesnt. If you go the guild in Act 3 you can meet her again. She acts like she got herself free from Moonrise towers, letting us feel like a fool and says she will run things in the future.
When you meet some other tiefling kids some of them sell newspapers to get by and they are like "Mol is busy and we have to work." She is really a fcking tyrant thats why I went to Raphaels House in the first place not bc of the Orphic Hammer but more to take her contract and say in her face that Raphael is dead and wont be helping her anymore.
DAMN THAT FELT GOOD!
She gets her eyesight back for one
Ach, yes, this dude. I can't say who is my favourite devil-like being in games: Raphael or Gaunter o'Dim from Witcher 3 DLC 💘
Gaunter - less cartoon villain-like, had a more sinister vibe but still likeable, and far more powerful. Still enjoy Raphael though, voice actor did a good job.
They have same vibe! When I met Raphael, I immediately remembered Gaunter o'Dim