Would love to see planet wide enemy overhaul. Like red legion replaced with Calus loyalist, house dusk replaced with house salvation, and either Savathun’s lucent hive or Xivu’s dark hive.
Isn’t house of salvation exclusively only on Europa tho & calus’s loyalists aren’t in our system. Maybe a few are doing certain things but I’m pretty sure the majority of his army aren’t here. Also I don’t think left over hive broods integrate with the left over one (xivu araths). So lorewise replacing the enemies like that wouldn’t make sense since we don’t have enough of those enemy forces in the system (calus’s army isn’t in the system, the house of salvation is on Europa & is mostly destroyed, & the other hive broods didn’t integrate with xivu arath’s army) I could be wrong tho
Wasn't House Salvation pretty thoroughly destroyed by the players? Sure there might be survivors but I don't think there is enough survivors to spread across the system.
Honestly, it breaks the immersion so much when we go to Mars and fight "Caitl's cabal" meanwhile they're the same red legion we've been fighting for years
Seeing all these alliances and sides being chosen truly makes me excited for Lightfall. And it makes me wonder who will be left standing by the end of it; at the Final Shape.
I mean. For gameplay purpose, only the Witness will be dead. As we have to survive and the Traveler has to as well so we can use the light. And then all the races in the system have to stay.
@@TheAHuman I mean if you look at it this way, maybe we find a way to Seperate ourselves from the traveler but still be able to use the light? 🤷🏻♂️no idea though. Can’t wait to find out what happens though
I mean we don’t need a dark shard to wield darkness as proven in beyond light. So why would we need the traveler to wield the light if it resides within us. In the red war we didn’t need the traveler to wield the light we got it from the shard which is separate from the traveler.
Regarding the voices on the Glykon, I think they make more sense now that we understand the key theme underpinning the Witch Queen DLC. "The Light makes you forget, the Dark helps you remember." Every sentence spoken, every line of dialogue, was all from the Guardian's own past. These were words spoken to the Guardian. (Because, well, recycled dialogue, yes, but let's set that aside). The same can be said for Caiatl and "Osiris", both of whom were haunted by voices from their own pasts. Caiatl is implied to have heard her once trusted general Umun'arath, and Savathun mentioned "the ignorance of youth", so perhaps the old whispers of her siblings before their transformations back on Fundament. Left alone in the dark, the mind tends to wander towards unpleasant things. The fear of death being the most obvious. So voices of the dead, or presumed dead, conjured up from lingering memories makes sense, no? If we're to take Savathun at her word (again, biiiig if) from the Alters of Reflection, that Mars was examined by the Witness during its' time in captivity, things make more sense. Those temporal rifts that cover Mars' surface now, they're the living memory of the planet, the deep sight power taken to its' grandest scale. And remember where the Glykon vanished? Near the Mars anomaly. So it's possible that it... soaked up whatever power was being used to uncover the memories of Mars' collapse, and as a result, residual traces of deepsight plague the Glykon, awakening memories within whoever comes near it. Also remember that we never found Gilgamesh, Katabasis' ghost who betrayed him and left him for dead on the Glykon. But we did find a 'memory fragment' of the ghost. A trace of where the Ghost had been, made manifest somehow. Which again, fits with deepsight and our (admittedly limited) understanding of it. This also fits what we experienced in Shadowkeep. The Nightmares defending the Pyramid, conjured from the past trauma of Guardians. Old foes. Old memories. The Darkness weaponised them and manifested dopplegangers out of memory. So there's a consistent through-line here of darkness using memory fragments, both passively and with intent.
This would be an excellent idea as to what one of the Darkness elements could be, perhaps some kind of offensive psychic subclass. Some ppl have speculated a gravity-themed subclass but Bungie basically lumped that in with Void.
Actually you did find Gilgamesh. He's lying on the ground in the spore puzzle that links to the final boss where the platform lowers for your jump and two scorn crossbow enemies are.
@@loserinasuit7880 No that's the memory fragment I mentioned. The mission dialogue specifically states that the Ghost hasn't been found. Ontop of which, the item you find is a generic Ghost shell, whereas Gilgamesh's shell, unlocked by finding all the lore book pages, looks different.
It would be interesting if the Traveller (or its entity if that’s different) has little to no memory whereas The Witness seems to be almost nothing but memory. It would explain why the Traveler is so bad at communication and falls to the Witness (Winnower) backstabbing it every time. The light might grant paracausal powers that add energy into the now at the cost of sucking the energy to do so from memories. The darkness might grant paracausal powers to remove energy from the now by displacing it with memories. It would limit both powers, with them being balanced as time ticks on until someone can figure out how to introduce memories the other can’t access. That might mean the Vex, while starting as the thing the Gardener/Traveler wanted to be rid of, could become the solution to permanently stopping the Winnower from winning thanks to their ability to possibly infinitely generate new memories.
I can't wait to see Calus return and Caiatl go toe to toe with him. Lightfall will be an awesome expansion. I hope I can actually play all of the stuff between, during, and after it launches😅
What if the voices of those past that we hear are some sort of use of the darkness powers like the relic on Mars? Dealing with memory, etc. That would explain Calus not being dead but us hearing him, as well as the others
My thoughts exactly, the fact that most of the voices belong to the dead is just coincidence, but rather they were used as a means to mess with us because they were the voices of people we knew.
@mynameisbyf so, I had a light bulb moment; thinking about the way ghosts work - aren't they essentially sentient 3D printers? It explains why guardians don't remember anything before, and why once the ghost is gone they can't return.
Bungie has done a really good job imo of replayable missions in a lore sense; emphasizing that each run of the mission is technically a new form of it and not “lost in time” moment. The mission each week is different because the base was straight up rebuilt which I love😂
Its a good laff. I find it much funner to think the bases just sorta rise out of the ground from the ashes of the old base (like halo wars UNSC bases) within a minute of the guardian leaving orbit
This is a personal accomplishment for myself. Since the release of witch queen. I have binged listened to all of byf's lore videos. From d1 to now. And I have been a long time subscriber to byf. Yay...
I just got to say, your call out to "keeps," legitimately made me laugh. Sadly it's far to late for me, but I would pay good money to see the Traveler powering up by growing a mullet for the final confrontation with the Witness! Also, the line about Calus being "not dead" in all the ways that matter made me chuckle It's interesting, your mention of the Psion hatred for Zavala. You would think there would be more hatred for us, the player Guardian. Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lack of anonymity aimed at us through out a lot of Destiny? Caiatl 's yelling at us about spilled Cabal blood on Europa is the only time I remember recently. I mean the hate Zavala, they fear Saint 14, etc - but us? The one that goes around actually slaying Gods and Dragons? How come there hasn't been a plot directed toward taking us out of the equation? Something that just occurred to me, and might make an interesting season, is a storyline based specifically on someone trying to neutralize our guardian, through means both direct and nefarious.
I think it would mostly be because we are young. Our guardian has only been around a few years. And we'd definitely made waves and were recognised by Savathun. Savala and Saint have been around for a long time having generations building hate towards them
@@GrayvesX They aren't God killers though. You'd want to pay attention to the psycho who has butchered Hive God's and a Cabal Emperor (Red Legion) as well as continuously dismantling Fallen Houses.
"How come there hasn't been a plot directed toward taking us out of the equation?" Because everyone knows it'd be impossible, or they're straight up terrified of us to the point that if their plan happens to fail, they fear being wiped out by us. We are, after all, a walking force of nature who routinely kills gods, breaks armies and lays waste to entire factions alone (in the lore). It wouldn't surprise me if Caiatl arrived in Sol ready to destroy Humanity, only to see that Ghaul and the Red Legion, along with all the other Cabal forces sent to Sol, in ruins, and decided to try and diplomatically assimilate the Guardians into her ranks, knowing that a straight up fight would result in the Cabal's extinction. Not to mention I can't see a good plan that'd even feasibly work on us; Their Light-suppressing tech? It requires the Guardian to have their Ghost out. We never have ours out save for when we're surrounded by the Vanguard. Also, our Ghost is aware, and has seen, other Guardians' Ghosts getting their Light suppressed. No way is our Ghost dumb enough to show himself in the situation where there is a possibility he'll get suppressed or killed. Even if he was to get suppressed, our Guardian, while Lightless, is still able to fight as well as he could when being empowered by the Light, as seen during the base campaign of Destiny 2. We had our Light taken from us, fell from a ship that was stationed very high in the sky, and survived. We then, almost immediately, trekked hundreds of miles into the mountains, killing countless Cabal as we went, all the while Lightless. We then decimated Fallen all the way to the shard of the Traveller. We'd be able to take out a lot or all of the conspirators and free our Ghost. However, I'm only using the base Destiny 2 Guardian in that scenario. Our current Guardian would just use Stasis, the Darkness, until we could free our Ghost and restore our Light. This plan wouldn't work due to the existence, and the Guardians mastery of Stasis. Orbital bombardment? Good luck being able to hit us when we can just escape due to how long orbital bombardments actually take to fire. We'd have cleared the area of enemies and escaped the area by the time the bombardment hits. This plan flops. Assassination? Good luck trying to arrange a meeting where we're not on-guard. Try to fake a summons from the Vanguard? Our Ghost just contacts Zavala or Ikora, also the Vanguard would've contacted us directly. Every meeting we've ever attended we either shot our way there, or always had our guns at the ready. A random, suspicious summons to a random, desolate location? Yeah, because that's not odd /s. We'd be able to figure out that something wasn't quite right about the summons, and would prepare ourselves for the trap. This plan also fails. There's no feasible plan that could work on our Guardian because of how busted we are in terms of power.
Crazy head cannon theory: what if Calus was somehow able to get control and even assimilate those fleshy plant things that was on the glykon onto himself and use them as a way to indulge himself on everything including other living beings As well as "gifting" his most loyal underlings with said fleshy plant things
Idk if this has been talked about, but in the final encounter for the raid when we’re in the DPS portion of the boss fight, we have four different symbols we can dunk it. Light, Darkness, Traveler and Pyramid. As know throughout the raid all the symbols are actually telling a story. And I believe that goes for the DPS portion of Rhulk as well. You see, the symbols are placed in a way that follows the same ideology of what Bungie is trying to tell us in the story. There’s the light and darkness, and eventually we will have to choose what side. This is obviously the most clear comparison of the two symbols as both are even on the right side of the platform when you walk up the stairs. Now what really changes it up is on the left side. The left consists of the other two symbols, pyramid and traveler. If we were to follow the same idea and logic behind the right side on that there’s the light and dark, wouldn’t it make sense if the left side had the Traveler and the Witness? Unless what we’re led to believe about the Traveler is wrong. Maybe it’s not what’s behind the Light like we believed it to be for so long. Maybe what the raid is trying to tell us is that the Traveler is in fact the lights equivalent of the Pyramids. Something that is merely a vessel and not a being itself (that we know of, obviously). Now I know the idea of the Traveler not being the true being behind the light is not new. But I feel with this revelation this further points into the direction of that theory to be true. Especially when we put into consideration with what Savathun said about there being more Travelers out there. Now obviously we don’t know if that’s 100% true or not, but it would make sense if it were true if what I stated were to be true. Because, if the Traveler were the equivalent to the Witness, wouldn’t it make sense to have the Witness symbol be there instead of the Pyramid symbol? One last thing to add on that could be a stretch but it’s interesting nonetheless. What if the reason behind the banking of these four symbols is because it symbolizes the idea that the line between light and dark is very thin. Because if we look at the raid, we can bank at only light symbols, or only dark, or a mix of both. The outcome will be the same no matter what is correct (the outcome being that we are able to damage Rhulk).
Psions are my favorite Destiny race and I'm so excited to see them coming more to the forefront of the story. I find it interesting that Qabix could seemingly use elemental attacks akin to the Light (Solar meteors, Arc Lightning strikes, Void cage) as though he is channeling them via their Flayer (?) powers.
On the note of the voices on the glykon; I think you're right about how the witness using calus's voice. Remember, we can hear uldren sov on the glykon as well, when he was corrupted by Riven. But now we have crow--and the voice was specifically named Uldren Sov in the glykon mission. I feel like this lends supporting evidence to your theory there.
I like how the cabal alliance is developing but I’m hoping we return to focus on house light next season and maybe hopefully see the foreshadowed return of eramis and see a showdown between her and mithrax for the final proof that mithrax is the kell of kells.
I feel as though the strange plants everywhere aboard the Glykon were once a single plant or just a few plants, but due to The Darkness' temporal distortion abilities, caused them to spread and grow at an alarming rate, infusing them with darkness in the process. I'd love a darkness subclass surrounding the concept of temporal acceleration or reversion much like deepsight but on a more organic level, like a grenade bringing back where a tree once grew or rapidly growing vines after bringing them back from where they once stood
I feel the voices on the glykon were just deepsight. On luna we fought deepsight villains from out past, on Europa Clovis used deepsight to put human memories into exo bodies, and now we use deepsight for our own purposes
When you mentioned Garden of Salvation’s bare minimum lore it made me so sad that we never got any explanation for what the deal was with the consecrated and sanctified minds. I remember scouring your channel and the lore archive sites for anything on them. I want to know why they were all rocky! I remember when the raid came out someone had spinfoiled a theory that the consecrated mind was a male harpy and even though the Vex are genderless it’s a cool theory nonetheless
oh, I always just thought it was kind of an explanation of D1’s black garden. Like the Black Heart brought three stone Vex statues back to “life” or whatever you’d call it. So they were trying to become like those reverent statues. Now I want to know why they’re all rocky too!!
I very much like the opening of the mission. It reminds me of halo 3's mission "the ark" when you land upon the deserts of the ark only in night time. I love desert and tropical themed biomes for games wished the were used more. One gives off a air of vast mystery the other a sense of adventure and curiosity, both at least to me very asthetically pleasing.
I was hoping Bungie would expand on the Cabal in a sense that they would introduce more enemy diversity. Technically they enslave/recruit other races into the Cabal right? Like Psions? So why stop there? It would be a cool way to introduce new alien races that's not the Vex, Hive, Eliksni, Psion, etc. Hell, I would even really enjoy it if the story was retconned if the true core of the Cabal are a new, different race of aliens that we've never seen. That's one of the main things that's keeping the Destiny universe feel small, because like Star Wars or Star Trek or Doctor Who, there are countless alien races in the universe. I don't see why Destiny should limit themselves.
It's hard to imagine Calus having earned a higher position with the Witness than the Hive Gods, I just don't see it. A Psion on the other hand - Now that makes more sense knowing what we do of Rhulk. A sufficiently powerful Psion is exactly the kind of being that the Witness would target for Conversion, conquered by another race and forced into servitude while possessing a unique power. Exactly the type of person to be susceptible to Salvation, hardened by oppression and suffering, intelligent with an axe to grind. Much better Disciple than Calus.
It always bothered me that we see dead cabal inside the Europa pyramid which no one in game seems to acknowledge. It just makes me wonder how did they die?
I'd like to imagine Calus high or drunk out of his gourd off in the corner on some lavish coach reveling in the Witness' apocalyptic actions. To further add to this Calus is in the main room of the Witness' flagship (the giant pyramid ship presumably ) with the witness giddy as a school girl. Lastly when the Witness commands Calus to do battle with us guardians he fights us half drunk but still manages to be a formidable foe.
would be cool to see an alliance of unaligned powers, the Cabal, Fallen (especially Spiders' fallen), and maybe some humans/awoken. that bargain with both sides.
Could the "thing that spoke with many dead voices" have been an Ahamkara, somehow? I know they're supposedly all dead, but there is a similarity with how Riven spoke to us and this...and there is still that Ahamkara egg in Mara's throne world...
No, the thing that spoke with many dead voices was what we fought against during the presage quest. It was a scorn that looked similar to the Hanged Man Baron from Forsaken. When Calus used the Crown of Sorrows, nearly all the scorn except for one all suffered neuron death, the survivor would be studied.
So is something going on between Crow and Amanda Holiday? The lore on the sweet sorrow autorifle and the ivory empress sparrow seem to be hinting at something. Has anyone else's noticed this or is there more info I've missed somewhere. Between Zavala and the cabal empress and this it seems like there might be some romance going around in the tower.
I do think that the last raid for light and dark saga is going to have all six factions in it in some form. For the Cabal it would be Calus' Loyalist, for the Fallen it would be the house of salvation, for the vex it would be the sol divisive and for the rest, they are already heavily tied to the darkness.
I think it's interesting the dynamic between the Psion Conclave and Caitals Loyalists. The Psion Conclave are the old Psions who want power and independence, while the Loyalist psions have been granted freedom and equal rights in the Empresses empire. I wonder what's happening there, in the minds of those psions who wonder about their loyalty.
Well the Witness has many faces, so maybe whenever something dies to an entity of darkness ie the hive, scorn, or Rhulk, they essentially absorb their soul in essence
Calus can still be dead (well, formerly dead). The Darkness/Witness have never a spoken to us with the voice of someone who hasn’t been dead EXCEPT for Calus and maybe Rhulk. Rhulk was “remade” by The Witness iirc, which could mean he died and was resurrected. If Calus is a disciple now, part of that could include dying and being resurrected by The Witness.
Whether we wanted it or not, we stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars, so let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Qabix and Calus; from what I can gather, they command a legion of Psions outside of Freehold to perform a Mutiny. He's well protected, but with the Right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out and break their grip on Caiatl's army.
There is something a bit like that. The lore tab of the Piece of Mind pulse rifle details a short conversation between Mithrax and our late Psion friend.
Bit of an off-topic tangent, all these divides and alliances are cool, but we genuinely haven't ever had a new faction or race, only variants like the Scorn or Taken. I just want new things to shoot, not the same things again but a bit different. Rhulk is cool, great art design, but it's just a singular entity you only encounter at the end of a raid. Hope that when the Darkness does actually come, it's not just orange and black Cabal/Fallen/Scorn.
Perhaps the voices in the Glycon work through the power of the darkness in regards to memory - as we have seen through our discovery and usage of Deepsight
Wait, so if Calus is able to become a disciple, would it be likely that Vlovis Bray may be as well? The Witness communicated with him before and both Bray and The Witness both value knowledge but idk if that would mean anything relevant to becoming a disciple.
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Would love to see planet wide enemy overhaul. Like red legion replaced with Calus loyalist, house dusk replaced with house salvation, and either Savathun’s lucent hive or Xivu’s dark hive.
Isn’t house of salvation exclusively only on Europa tho & calus’s loyalists aren’t in our system. Maybe a few are doing certain things but I’m pretty sure the majority of his army aren’t here. Also I don’t think left over hive broods integrate with the left over one (xivu araths). So lorewise replacing the enemies like that wouldn’t make sense since we don’t have enough of those enemy forces in the system (calus’s army isn’t in the system, the house of salvation is on Europa & is mostly destroyed, & the other hive broods didn’t integrate with xivu arath’s army) I could be wrong tho
Wasn't House Salvation pretty thoroughly destroyed by the players? Sure there might be survivors but I don't think there is enough survivors to spread across the system.
Golden boys on some planet fighting the red legion boys who are allied with us would be amazing
I wish House of Kings was still active. That's literally the only house we haven't thoroughly interacted with that was active in our system.
Honestly, it breaks the immersion so much when we go to Mars and fight "Caitl's cabal" meanwhile they're the same red legion we've been fighting for years
I think a twisted and mangled Calus would fit very well with an equally twisted and mangled Leviathan.
Also i remember didnt the leviathen have an ascendant realm for bad juju???
@@Zerba- Yes it did, but if I remember that was the Taken trying to get the gun, they punched a hole into the Ascendant Realm with help from Savathun
Ooooo that would be a really cool way to bring back Leviathan
Haha. Haha. HAHAHA That’s funny.
well this aged well
You can actually see Caiatl's face in the hologram. I can see why the messenger lore tab says her smile is terrifying.
Cabal mouths are genuinely horrid. Always have been.
I hate cabal mouths. Also why does Saladin look bald in the holograms lol
Seeing all these alliances and sides being chosen truly makes me excited for Lightfall. And it makes me wonder who will be left standing by the end of it; at the Final Shape.
I mean. For gameplay purpose, only the Witness will be dead. As we have to survive and the Traveler has to as well so we can use the light. And then all the races in the system have to stay.
@@TheAHuman I mean if you look at it this way, maybe we find a way to Seperate ourselves from the traveler but still be able to use the light? 🤷🏻♂️no idea though. Can’t wait to find out what happens though
I mean we don’t need a dark shard to wield darkness as proven in beyond light. So why would we need the traveler to wield the light if it resides within us. In the red war we didn’t need the traveler to wield the light we got it from the shard which is separate from the traveler.
Honestly shocked at how the factions and almost everything we knew about destiny has or is changing. I’m so hyped for lightfall.
@@eu.stacio there's that traveler shard in the edz we used back during the red war
Regarding the voices on the Glykon, I think they make more sense now that we understand the key theme underpinning the Witch Queen DLC. "The Light makes you forget, the Dark helps you remember."
Every sentence spoken, every line of dialogue, was all from the Guardian's own past. These were words spoken to the Guardian. (Because, well, recycled dialogue, yes, but let's set that aside). The same can be said for Caiatl and "Osiris", both of whom were haunted by voices from their own pasts. Caiatl is implied to have heard her once trusted general Umun'arath, and Savathun mentioned "the ignorance of youth", so perhaps the old whispers of her siblings before their transformations back on Fundament.
Left alone in the dark, the mind tends to wander towards unpleasant things. The fear of death being the most obvious. So voices of the dead, or presumed dead, conjured up from lingering memories makes sense, no?
If we're to take Savathun at her word (again, biiiig if) from the Alters of Reflection, that Mars was examined by the Witness during its' time in captivity, things make more sense. Those temporal rifts that cover Mars' surface now, they're the living memory of the planet, the deep sight power taken to its' grandest scale. And remember where the Glykon vanished? Near the Mars anomaly. So it's possible that it... soaked up whatever power was being used to uncover the memories of Mars' collapse, and as a result, residual traces of deepsight plague the Glykon, awakening memories within whoever comes near it.
Also remember that we never found Gilgamesh, Katabasis' ghost who betrayed him and left him for dead on the Glykon. But we did find a 'memory fragment' of the ghost. A trace of where the Ghost had been, made manifest somehow. Which again, fits with deepsight and our (admittedly limited) understanding of it.
This also fits what we experienced in Shadowkeep. The Nightmares defending the Pyramid, conjured from the past trauma of Guardians. Old foes. Old memories. The Darkness weaponised them and manifested dopplegangers out of memory. So there's a consistent through-line here of darkness using memory fragments, both passively and with intent.
This would be an excellent idea as to what one of the Darkness elements could be, perhaps some kind of offensive psychic subclass. Some ppl have speculated a gravity-themed subclass but Bungie basically lumped that in with Void.
Actually you did find Gilgamesh. He's lying on the ground in the spore puzzle that links to the final boss where the platform lowers for your jump and two scorn crossbow enemies are.
@@loserinasuit7880 No that's the memory fragment I mentioned. The mission dialogue specifically states that the Ghost hasn't been found. Ontop of which, the item you find is a generic Ghost shell, whereas Gilgamesh's shell, unlocked by finding all the lore book pages, looks different.
It would be interesting if the Traveller (or its entity if that’s different) has little to no memory whereas The Witness seems to be almost nothing but memory. It would explain why the Traveler is so bad at communication and falls to the Witness (Winnower) backstabbing it every time. The light might grant paracausal powers that add energy into the now at the cost of sucking the energy to do so from memories. The darkness might grant paracausal powers to remove energy from the now by displacing it with memories. It would limit both powers, with them being balanced as time ticks on until someone can figure out how to introduce memories the other can’t access. That might mean the Vex, while starting as the thing the Gardener/Traveler wanted to be rid of, could become the solution to permanently stopping the Winnower from winning thanks to their ability to possibly infinitely generate new memories.
This.....is very intiguing....
traveler with long hair, witness gets upset because its bald, i didn't know i needed this mental image in my head but i have it now and i love it.
I can't wait to see Calus return and Caiatl go toe to toe with him. Lightfall will be an awesome expansion. I hope I can actually play all of the stuff between, during, and after it launches😅
That art of Calus in the thumbnail goes hard. WH40K vibes.
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What if the voices of those past that we hear are some sort of use of the darkness powers like the relic on Mars? Dealing with memory, etc. That would explain Calus not being dead but us hearing him, as well as the others
My thoughts exactly, the fact that most of the voices belong to the dead is just coincidence, but rather they were used as a means to mess with us because they were the voices of people we knew.
2:09 that omnigul scream caught me off guard
@mynameisbyf so, I had a light bulb moment; thinking about the way ghosts work - aren't they essentially sentient 3D printers? It explains why guardians don't remember anything before, and why once the ghost is gone they can't return.
Bungie has done a really good job imo of replayable missions in a lore sense; emphasizing that each run of the mission is technically a new form of it and not “lost in time” moment. The mission each week is different because the base was straight up rebuilt which I love😂
Its a good laff. I find it much funner to think the bases just sorta rise out of the ground from the ashes of the old base (like halo wars UNSC bases) within a minute of the guardian leaving orbit
This is a personal accomplishment for myself. Since the release of witch queen. I have binged listened to all of byf's lore videos. From d1 to now. And I have been a long time subscriber to byf.
Yay...
I just got to say, your call out to "keeps," legitimately made me laugh. Sadly it's far to late for me, but I would pay good money to see the Traveler powering up by growing a mullet for the final confrontation with the Witness!
Also, the line about Calus being "not dead" in all the ways that matter made me chuckle
It's interesting, your mention of the Psion hatred for Zavala. You would think there would be more hatred for us, the player Guardian. Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lack of anonymity aimed at us through out a lot of Destiny? Caiatl 's yelling at us about spilled Cabal blood on Europa is the only time I remember recently. I mean the hate Zavala, they fear Saint 14, etc - but us? The one that goes around actually slaying Gods and Dragons? How come there hasn't been a plot directed toward taking us out of the equation? Something that just occurred to me, and might make an interesting season, is a storyline based specifically on someone trying to neutralize our guardian, through means both direct and nefarious.
I think it would mostly be because we are young. Our guardian has only been around a few years. And we'd definitely made waves and were recognised by Savathun.
Savala and Saint have been around for a long time having generations building hate towards them
@@GrayvesX They aren't God killers though. You'd want to pay attention to the psycho who has butchered Hive God's and a Cabal Emperor (Red Legion) as well as continuously dismantling Fallen Houses.
"How come there hasn't been a plot directed toward taking us out of the equation?"
Because everyone knows it'd be impossible, or they're straight up terrified of us to the point that if their plan happens to fail, they fear being wiped out by us. We are, after all, a walking force of nature who routinely kills gods, breaks armies and lays waste to entire factions alone (in the lore). It wouldn't surprise me if Caiatl arrived in Sol ready to destroy Humanity, only to see that Ghaul and the Red Legion, along with all the other Cabal forces sent to Sol, in ruins, and decided to try and diplomatically assimilate the Guardians into her ranks, knowing that a straight up fight would result in the Cabal's extinction. Not to mention I can't see a good plan that'd even feasibly work on us;
Their Light-suppressing tech? It requires the Guardian to have their Ghost out. We never have ours out save for when we're surrounded by the Vanguard. Also, our Ghost is aware, and has seen, other Guardians' Ghosts getting their Light suppressed. No way is our Ghost dumb enough to show himself in the situation where there is a possibility he'll get suppressed or killed. Even if he was to get suppressed, our Guardian, while Lightless, is still able to fight as well as he could when being empowered by the Light, as seen during the base campaign of Destiny 2. We had our Light taken from us, fell from a ship that was stationed very high in the sky, and survived. We then, almost immediately, trekked hundreds of miles into the mountains, killing countless Cabal as we went, all the while Lightless. We then decimated Fallen all the way to the shard of the Traveller. We'd be able to take out a lot or all of the conspirators and free our Ghost. However, I'm only using the base Destiny 2 Guardian in that scenario. Our current Guardian would just use Stasis, the Darkness, until we could free our Ghost and restore our Light. This plan wouldn't work due to the existence, and the Guardians mastery of Stasis.
Orbital bombardment? Good luck being able to hit us when we can just escape due to how long orbital bombardments actually take to fire. We'd have cleared the area of enemies and escaped the area by the time the bombardment hits. This plan flops.
Assassination? Good luck trying to arrange a meeting where we're not on-guard. Try to fake a summons from the Vanguard? Our Ghost just contacts Zavala or Ikora, also the Vanguard would've contacted us directly. Every meeting we've ever attended we either shot our way there, or always had our guns at the ready. A random, suspicious summons to a random, desolate location? Yeah, because that's not odd /s. We'd be able to figure out that something wasn't quite right about the summons, and would prepare ourselves for the trap. This plan also fails.
There's no feasible plan that could work on our Guardian because of how busted we are in terms of power.
Crazy head cannon theory: what if Calus was somehow able to get control and even assimilate those fleshy plant things that was on the glykon onto himself and use them as a way to indulge himself on everything including other living beings
As well as "gifting" his most loyal underlings with said fleshy plant things
Would be a cool way of making his cabal minions more unique. Those small details go a long way for the vex for example.
Idk if this has been talked about, but in the final encounter for the raid when we’re in the DPS portion of the boss fight, we have four different symbols we can dunk it. Light, Darkness, Traveler and Pyramid. As know throughout the raid all the symbols are actually telling a story. And I believe that goes for the DPS portion of Rhulk as well.
You see, the symbols are placed in a way that follows the same ideology of what Bungie is trying to tell us in the story. There’s the light and darkness, and eventually we will have to choose what side. This is obviously the most clear comparison of the two symbols as both are even on the right side of the platform when you walk up the stairs. Now what really changes it up is on the left side. The left consists of the other two symbols, pyramid and traveler. If we were to follow the same idea and logic behind the right side on that there’s the light and dark, wouldn’t it make sense if the left side had the Traveler and the Witness? Unless what we’re led to believe about the Traveler is wrong. Maybe it’s not what’s behind the Light like we believed it to be for so long. Maybe what the raid is trying to tell us is that the Traveler is in fact the lights equivalent of the Pyramids. Something that is merely a vessel and not a being itself (that we know of, obviously).
Now I know the idea of the Traveler not being the true being behind the light is not new. But I feel with this revelation this further points into the direction of that theory to be true. Especially when we put into consideration with what Savathun said about there being more Travelers out there. Now obviously we don’t know if that’s 100% true or not, but it would make sense if it were true if what I stated were to be true. Because, if the Traveler were the equivalent to the Witness, wouldn’t it make sense to have the Witness symbol be there instead of the Pyramid symbol?
One last thing to add on that could be a stretch but it’s interesting nonetheless. What if the reason behind the banking of these four symbols is because it symbolizes the idea that the line between light and dark is very thin. Because if we look at the raid, we can bank at only light symbols, or only dark, or a mix of both. The outcome will be the same no matter what is correct (the outcome being that we are able to damage Rhulk).
Beef, when is the Skrank Gang lore video? I need this
Love that you are getting more and more sponsorships :) you deserve it!
Psions are my favorite Destiny race and I'm so excited to see them coming more to the forefront of the story. I find it interesting that Qabix could seemingly use elemental attacks akin to the Light (Solar meteors, Arc Lightning strikes, Void cage) as though he is channeling them via their Flayer (?) powers.
You should hold a contest for a few hour game sesh with you to have a lore chat and play the game. Love the content brother!
Ahh yes 🙌 time to listen to some relaxing content while I recover from food poisoning lol 😂
No no, that's Dark Cabbage*.
Lol the Promotion material was hilarious keep up the good work byf
Awesome video. I’m enamored with the story lately. Your lord videos have always been so great at making me feel like im a big part of destiny’s world
In the hospital, waiting for results, bored outta my mind, perfect timing thanks byf!
Yeah good luck
Everything's fine, just a chest muscle tear, can't workout for a couple weeks
These Keeps spots that you do are gold, Byf. :D
On the note of the voices on the glykon; I think you're right about how the witness using calus's voice. Remember, we can hear uldren sov on the glykon as well, when he was corrupted by Riven. But now we have crow--and the voice was specifically named Uldren Sov in the glykon mission. I feel like this lends supporting evidence to your theory there.
I like how the cabal alliance is developing but I’m hoping we return to focus on house light next season and maybe hopefully see the foreshadowed return of eramis and see a showdown between her and mithrax for the final proof that mithrax is the kell of kells.
I feel as though the strange plants everywhere aboard the Glykon were once a single plant or just a few plants, but due to The Darkness' temporal distortion abilities, caused them to spread and grow at an alarming rate, infusing them with darkness in the process.
I'd love a darkness subclass surrounding the concept of temporal acceleration or reversion much like deepsight but on a more organic level, like a grenade bringing back where a tree once grew or rapidly growing vines after bringing them back from where they once stood
I feel the voices on the glykon were just deepsight. On luna we fought deepsight villains from out past, on Europa Clovis used deepsight to put human memories into exo bodies, and now we use deepsight for our own purposes
When you mentioned Garden of Salvation’s bare minimum lore it made me so sad that we never got any explanation for what the deal was with the consecrated and sanctified minds. I remember scouring your channel and the lore archive sites for anything on them. I want to know why they were all rocky! I remember when the raid came out someone had spinfoiled a theory that the consecrated mind was a male harpy and even though the Vex are genderless it’s a cool theory nonetheless
oh, I always just thought it was kind of an explanation of D1’s black garden. Like the Black Heart brought three stone Vex statues back to “life” or whatever you’d call it. So they were trying to become like those reverent statues. Now I want to know why they’re all rocky too!!
The Veil…
4:59 seconds caital’s mouth is able to be seen moving through her mask.
Regarding the Kentarch 3, I thought there's info in the Altar of Reflection lore that suggests Lisbon survived
I very much like the opening of the mission. It reminds me of halo 3's mission "the ark" when you land upon the deserts of the ark only in night time.
I love desert and tropical themed biomes for games wished the were used more. One gives off a air of vast mystery the other a sense of adventure and curiosity, both at least to me very asthetically pleasing.
I was hoping Bungie would expand on the Cabal in a sense that they would introduce more enemy diversity. Technically they enslave/recruit other races into the Cabal right? Like Psions? So why stop there? It would be a cool way to introduce new alien races that's not the Vex, Hive, Eliksni, Psion, etc. Hell, I would even really enjoy it if the story was retconned if the true core of the Cabal are a new, different race of aliens that we've never seen. That's one of the main things that's keeping the Destiny universe feel small, because like Star Wars or Star Trek or Doctor Who, there are countless alien races in the universe. I don't see why Destiny should limit themselves.
It's hard to imagine Calus having earned a higher position with the Witness than the Hive Gods, I just don't see it. A Psion on the other hand - Now that makes more sense knowing what we do of Rhulk. A sufficiently powerful Psion is exactly the kind of being that the Witness would target for Conversion, conquered by another race and forced into servitude while possessing a unique power. Exactly the type of person to be susceptible to Salvation, hardened by oppression and suffering, intelligent with an axe to grind. Much better Disciple than Calus.
I love all these dissolutions and formations of factions recently
Dark Calus reminds me of the aliens from the movie,
The Fifth Element
rise of the Shadow Cabal against guardians of Earth 2
It always bothered me that we see dead cabal inside the Europa pyramid which no one in game seems to acknowledge. It just makes me wonder how did they die?
I don't think I ever thought about that. I just assumed it was scenery
I'd like to imagine Calus high or drunk out of his gourd off in the corner on some lavish coach reveling in the Witness' apocalyptic actions. To further add to this Calus is in the main room of the Witness' flagship (the giant pyramid ship presumably ) with the witness giddy as a school girl. Lastly when the Witness commands Calus to do battle with us guardians he fights us half drunk but still manages to be a formidable foe.
would be cool to see an alliance of unaligned powers, the Cabal, Fallen (especially Spiders' fallen), and maybe some humans/awoken. that bargain with both sides.
Defectors: Who are you supposed to be?
The guardian: Vengance
That sponsorship was absolute gold
Gah dang Byf, that was the smoothest commercial yet. 😎
"At least, not dead in all the ways that matter." Is this a subtle reference to a certain meme about mushrooms?
Add skip at 2:50
Thank you
Careful, your herecy may stay your feet
Freaking love the jokes in the sponsor clips, just amazing
I wonder.... Where is Otzot in all of this Cabal mess?
Thanks for this video Byf!
So what you're saying is that whether we wanted it or not, we stepped into war with the Cabal on Mars?
99% of people: actually talking about the video and Calus lore
Me: Aha, I see you took Datto’s advice and made a build for your Fatebringer 😏
I'm pretty sure Calus has more gifts for us. I think he envies us and wants us to beat the darkness
Could the "thing that spoke with many dead voices" have been an Ahamkara, somehow? I know they're supposedly all dead, but there is a similarity with how Riven spoke to us and this...and there is still that Ahamkara egg in Mara's throne world...
No, the thing that spoke with many dead voices was what we fought against during the presage quest. It was a scorn that looked similar to the Hanged Man Baron from Forsaken. When Calus used the Crown of Sorrows, nearly all the scorn except for one all suffered neuron death, the survivor would be studied.
@@WrathNebula321 I see, I guess I never made the link between that thing and the voices for some reason
So is something going on between Crow and Amanda Holiday? The lore on the sweet sorrow autorifle and the ivory empress sparrow seem to be hinting at something.
Has anyone else's noticed this or is there more info I've missed somewhere. Between Zavala and the cabal empress and this it seems like there might be some romance going around in the tower.
I don’t know about you guys, but I can’t wait until we get the first Cabal and Eliksni Guardians
Came for the lore, stayed for the Keeps ad.
I really want to know which scout rifle he is using when the video transitions to vox obscura background
Amazing video as always what's your load out and build?
Can you show us? I saw devour procked?
Grow thicc from Streingth!
Dummy thicc
"Yo dudes. The Witness is pretty chill, you should, like, join them or something."
I do think that the last raid for light and dark saga is going to have all six factions in it in some form. For the Cabal it would be Calus' Loyalist, for the Fallen it would be the house of salvation, for the vex it would be the sol divisive and for the rest, they are already heavily tied to the darkness.
That would be sick. Have friendlies and enemies from each race (except taken and maybe hive)
Byf: mentions april fools video
Me: not remembering what the video was about
I can't wait for a massive battle between the Forces of the Light and the Forces of the Darkness. Lightfall is the expansion I can't wait for
WHHHHHY CALUS. YOU WERE CHILL. WE WERE CHILL DUDE.
Based on my theory, it's likely that we might face a Cabal equivalent of the Scorn from those who serve the Witness alongside Calus.
I think it's interesting the dynamic between the Psion Conclave and Caitals Loyalists. The Psion Conclave are the old Psions who want power and independence, while the Loyalist psions have been granted freedom and equal rights in the Empresses empire. I wonder what's happening there, in the minds of those psions who wonder about their loyalty.
Well the Witness has many faces, so maybe whenever something dies to an entity of darkness ie the hive, scorn, or Rhulk, they essentially absorb their soul in essence
Calus can still be dead (well, formerly dead). The Darkness/Witness have never a spoken to us with the voice of someone who hasn’t been dead EXCEPT for Calus and maybe Rhulk. Rhulk was “remade” by The Witness iirc, which could mean he died and was resurrected. If Calus is a disciple now, part of that could include dying and being resurrected by The Witness.
Whether we wanted it or not, we stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars, so let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Qabix and Calus; from what I can gather, they command a legion of Psions outside of Freehold to perform a Mutiny. He's well protected, but with the Right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out and break their grip on Caiatl's army.
Gotta ask what rocket is it that byf is using?
Man I really want an interaction between the house light and our cabal allies
There is something a bit like that. The lore tab of the Piece of Mind pulse rifle details a short conversation between Mithrax and our late Psion friend.
Man, I really should grind out a few more power levels so I stop getting stomped trying to solo the Vox Obscura mission. Eventually.
Bit of an off-topic tangent, all these divides and alliances are cool, but we genuinely haven't ever had a new faction or race, only variants like the Scorn or Taken. I just want new things to shoot, not the same things again but a bit different. Rhulk is cool, great art design, but it's just a singular entity you only encounter at the end of a raid.
Hope that when the Darkness does actually come, it's not just orange and black Cabal/Fallen/Scorn.
I had to leave a like after that joke with keeps😂😂 the trailer was once part of the long hair don't care tribe
Throw on the Solar charged with light mod godslayer warheads (5 cost)
THE COLLAPSS TOOK MY FUCKING HAIRLINE!!! 👨🦲
Perhaps the voices in the Glycon work through the power of the darkness in regards to memory - as we have seen through our discovery and usage of Deepsight
What if in Lightfall we have to leave Sol and we follow Caiatl to Torobotl and reclaim it from Xivu and fight alongside our ally faction.
What was the orbital bombardment targeting?
Everything
Could the voices on the Glycol be that of memory?? Leading into all this plot based off memory
Hate to be that guy, but what scout rifle are ya using starting at 3:02, while on mars
I want to see Xivu's hive pop stasis supers
Been waiting for this video
Which Mission you play in the last part of the video, against cabal inside a pyramid
Communion.
Off topic question: How did the Fatebringer in the footage sometimes have the void element?
adept version i think?
@@bandithm7784 Got the answer from another comment, it’s just the Osmosis Perk
Wait, so if Calus is able to become a disciple, would it be likely that Vlovis Bray may be as well? The Witness communicated with him before and both Bray and The Witness both value knowledge but idk if that would mean anything relevant to becoming a disciple.
Just here for the hunters huffing copium because you said that the voices from the glykon weren’t all necessarily dead and that “maybe cayde-8???”
What happened with Spider? Seems like there was building tension with Mara and then nothing. Shore is gone. What happened?
He left. This has been planned for a while in the lore
I think way down the road, "Psionics" will be considered a paracasual power like Light or Darkness.
Byf the Goat
Byf, why zavala and ikora did not have hair despite using keeps
This is what I wanted to know about for sure.
I just gotta know how he gets his grenade back so fast
Next seasons dungeon HAS to be calus/leviathan related
I love and hate your ads. Get that money Byf.
It may be a amall thing but i love how you advertise. Most people just say heres the stuff buy I say so or read off a pre scripted sale line sent to you, but you actually put some work into making a unique little advertisement....the hilarious way you actually use destiny to promote it is pretty awesome, a l0t more effective than the lazy way most people do it.
Best ad ever
istg these Keeps/ManScaped ads are fucking haunting me jUST LET ME LIVE MY SILLY LITTLE TRANS GOBLIN LIFE
I was curious if Calus was trying to become a disciple...
i thought the thumbnail was a Fifth Element reference at first