This tells the tale of France's deal with the EU- a lifestyle, unproductive farming methods, payment for fields left fallow and fixed price produce. Anyone remember when the words, New Zealand Lamb were common?
He was defending the subsidies paid to farmers. And people (usually business owners like him) moan about people being on Social Welfare that are "sponging off the government".
Why oh why I ask my self am I watching this video at 04:10 Hours in the morning when I'm up for work at 08:45 Hours! Lol this is the wonderful thing of RUclips! :). Regards.
Yeah, damn the EU for protecting industry and jobs and not flooding our markets with cheap foreign imports, killing our locally produced produce and putting people out of jobs, and sending our hard earned money to countries outside the EU. How about you learn basic economics first before preaching?
@Richard L Oh I do pity the multi millionaire landowners who for decades have been swallowing up the CAP subsidies. What about the small farms who can't make a living because EU subsidies favour the farmers in Europe. Don't get me started on the CFP and the detrimental effects on our coastal communities. Try living in a rural coastal community before you start spouting your nonsense.
The French farmers quickly twigged on that they would get paid even if they produced next to nothing every year. The EU needs surpluses to be able have a fixed higher price.
I was a teenager back then. I remember the anguish of my parents at us joining and remaining in the Common Market, amd raging food prices that resulted.
@@arnoldrimmer9161 well they have. they largely abandoned direct link to production after GATT in the 90s and WTO rules, there is some intervention but nothing like what used to happen in the 70s and 80s. anyway what does it matter, we're out of the EU now anyway.
True, my first job was in a food shop in 1977 and every Monday we received a booklet from head office with all the latest price increaes. So my task was to go round peel off the old price stickers and put on the newer higher price. I felt guilty like I was stealing from people but at that age I thought it was normal.
@Dave Coyle Yes we should lower wages of all people down to 10% where they are now, the result will be a glorious boom. Why don't you start with that and send 90% of your wages back to your employer?
"[...] there needs to be reform..." I remember back in the mid-90's seeing a C.A.P. debate where they were *still* talking about milk lakes & butter mountains. If you can't change them, leave them.
I do actually remember some of this, I would’ve been around 15/16 years old. My parents were up in arms over the Common Market price fixing. I remember seeing scenes of butter mountains being bucket loaded into wagons for landfill before lower the price. Beef was canned, then stored in warehouses, it was eventually distributed amongst the unemployed. And yes, TV was much more truthful. I remember watching war documentaries with my father, he was a war veteran. The differences in the stories, and the way narration is done, is a world apart from what we see today. The older narrative was more matter of fact, also giving some respect to the enemy, this is reflected in older movies, such as Battle of the Bulge. Today, the narrative is much more sneering, with constant snide remarks. I find today’s history documentaries unwatchable.
Very interesting. No dumbing-down! I was 6 in 1977, and I remember this apparent obsession with grocery prices in the 70s and early 80s, doubtless on the back of the high inflation of the mid-70s.. It seems a bit strange now, nobody seems to care if their bread goes up by 3 or 4 pence a loaf now. This is also a great explanation of the butter mountain and wine lake!
The adoptive use of the Metric system by the British in 1985 Pay more Get less programme contributed to slow growth economical output.With the surplus Weights and Measures act the UK Was formulating a division of surplus that could never be attached to the British consumer.We were losing and the continent was gaining.I am glad this 1977 vault of information has been discovered and released.
UK Politicians had their snouts in the EU trough decades ago and have been feasting well on it ever since. Remainer politicians must feel heartbroken at losing such a lucrative income
@steve gale Actually, Napoleon said both. He said first that they were a nation of shopkeepers, but this was misinterpreted as an insult, he later clarified that he meant it as a compliment, as Britain was a nation of merchants.
@C -Where did you get your diploma or degree in being brainwashed? Woke University? Hahaha. Learn history and see that the time English and the British empire had slaves and slave trade is a blip in time compared to other people, cultures and nations. You need a better education. There is more slavery now in the world than ever before and none of this done by white Europeans either. Like I say though you need to learn history and current happenings in the world and why not oppose slavery and support humanitarian and equality in other nations? They need your help. British slaves also existed. There is so much you need to learn in this area. Totally brainwashed and know so little.
Why? It's 43 years out of date and turned out to be totally wrong in reality we have the cheapest food in Europe and food prices have halved in real terms since 1977 www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45559594
Crazy thing is that now we all want cheapest prices and more and more things. How on earth is butter for example, about the same price now as 40 years ago??? No wonder farmers can't make any money... Except for massive conglomerates...
The resentment this caused has simmered for decades. At last the UK has got shot of this nonsense. The UK government must not replicate the policy after Brexit.
Dude the resentment has been building since anglo saxon days when we fled the mainlanders and their nonsense to become islanders. We even left em alone and their raiding turned into 2 world wars, the price we pay is in blood to these degenerates.
@@opus_workshop What exactly is the point of your question? The population of the UK needs imports to live. Literally. Anything which makes imports more expensive is negative for the people who live and work in the UK. Tariffs have the same effect as undue transport costs.
I'm in Canada and I remember my mother saying even here in Canada around the same time (1977) food prices took a big jump in price. Then in the early 1980s another jump in prices mortgages were in the 15% range now in 2019 mortgages are about 3%.
This just confirms what I always thought that food prices rocketed on joining the EEC this after ripping up trade deals with NZ & AUS which provided us with cheaper meat and dairy products. It also has to be remembered CAP represented 60% of the EEC expenditure at the time of this video and I also remember there was an influx in the 70's of day trippers from the continent to the south of england to take advantage of cheaper goods in the stores. This of course is all contrary to what we have been told over the last 5 years or so.
Had to laugh at Ralph Howells lie of there of butter mountains having only 5 weeks supply, If that was the case, why was it given away, along with tins of minced beef, to those who were in receipt of benefits for months on end in the mid 80s. Those mountains and lakes were massive.
We were lied to when we went in,we were lied to when we tried to get out.If our polititions do a half decent job in the negotiations next year we will prosper coming out,the young generation should to old 50 something old bastards like myself for a change !!!!!
The free market came up with futures and options. This is a voluntary mechanism and does not rely on farmers' subsidies. Farmer's subsidies means the tax payer is paying the farmer regardless if he produces or not. And then centralised controls tell the farmer what he can and can't grow and how. Cheaper produce comes only from competition.
I agree. But if competition means small farmers get taken over by 'efficient' corporations with mechanised production this is bad... Bad for our food, for animals and for the environment - not to mention bad for farmers and farming communities. Monopoly isn't competition.
Host: "Its alright you saying the prices are not high but what about those who can`t afford to pay those prices surely the prices are too high for them?" Pro Common Market farmer: "No!"
@@Eddiecurrent2000 no, we wernt screwed, we got loads of immigrants who cut us out of jobs for shorter pay and longer hours.. and we was still paying Germany to rebuild. ..and india!, well, don't get me started...
Roger Cliftonville-Acton ....errrrr. I think you’ll find we were on our knees when we joined. We had to borrow money from the IMF and our industries were at the mercy of unions. We ran out of power and resorted to a 3 day week and poverty was the highest in Europe. So if you think Britain would have been richer without the EU... you need to remove your rose-tinted glasses. But also, remind yourself of the facts... that the EU doesn’t control our economy it’s internal government... The EU agree laws for things like working conditions, employees rights, food standards. But I can’t expect Brexiteers to comprehend or worry about the facts... Clearly Boris doesn’t 😂
@@bens1972 how do you work that out? The EU paid JLR to build a plant in Slovakia, the UK can't fund JLR because of EU regulations, jobs lost , the EU paid €2.2 billion to an Asian car manufacturer to build a plant in Slovakia, they no supply British police force with cars, the UK government tried to bail out vauxhall Ellesmere port with £50 million, the EU said no
This should been shown the night before the referendum, as normal french farmers costing us uk taxpayers well no more lets get that cheap wine and cheese flooding in. While were at it take back your people so we have room here.
Except you're completely wrong, food prices have halved in real terms since 1977. They give the cost in the video of an average basket of food at £28 the average wage then was £60, you could feed yourself perfectly well today for a week for £28.
@@primitivo4604 You haven't factored in the vast improvements to farming and food processing efficiencies during the last 40 years, so your statement is meaningless. It's nearly always the case that over time the real cost of any product decreases in terms of equivalent purchasing power because of advancements in technology and so forth. Regulation has the effect of retarding those developments through restrictive practices, statism, and red tape.
@@davelowe1977 EU food standards and quality are the highest in the world. I´d much rather have clean fresh food than whatever the fuck americans are getting obese on
@Peter it's already rising? The EU have always wanted to ruin our car industry, and we the UK are actually paying the EU to ruin it, not to mention the £500 million we paid to join it
@Peter Landslide victory? The fact is, is that Europe needs the UK far more than we need the EU. We trade at a huge deficit with them. If they put high tariffs, we will do the same. Millions of jobs in the EU rely on markets in the UK. 100000 jobs in the German car market alone.
Except it's just speculation and turned out to be totally wrong, in reality we have the cheapest food in Europe and food prices have halved in real terms since 1977 www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45559594
I'm about 40 don't think I've seen food prices come down in my adult years. Remember it as a kid though. Believe it or not we used to get deflation as well as inflation. Evidence is on the screen. All the items shown are now about three times the price. That would be consistant with 20 years of inflation. There was less lorry's grid locking the roads. Less cattle transported live across Europe. Your food had a much smaller carbon footprint too. But you won't see any of these facts on proremain BBC.
This type of debate will be unthinkable of happening today, a mainstream media company allowing criticism of their beloved EU to be aired on public television.
At that time the breadwinner earned enough to keep their family leaving one to bring up the children in a decent way, now both parents need to work...shame
@@primitivo4604 But could be cheaper once we've left. Most of our food comes from the UK, and with FTA with other countries prices may be even cheaper, especially for Australian meat.
@@garyl5128 Around 80% of our food is imported, food will never be as cheap again after leaving the collective bargaining power of the worlds largest trading bloc.
@@garyl5128 It's around 80%, the figure of 50% includes things imported as raw materials then repackaged here, and given we currently have the some of the cheapest food in the world and would have to import from further afield the logistics involved in that combined with the end of frictionless trade through our land border to the continent it's clearly going to increase in price.
It was in about 1981 that decided that I thought the UK had made a big mistake in joining the EEC. At the time it was a distinctly minority view based on what I knew of farming as a farmer's son. I thought that the longer we stayed in the EEC/EU that harder would it become to leave until we would never be able to. It seems that the intractable situation today rather shows that suspicion was correct. Perhaps this is our last chance to leave. If Brexit is abandoned then we are in the EU for the foreseeable future.
@@martinhawes5647 Dear Martin, It is clear that leaving the EU was a tremendous mistake. My view is still EU-skeptical, but the results speak for themselves. I did not foresee that leaving would be so impractical. I was wrong to vote leave, and I am not so proud as to double down on my mistaken view. On the other hand [and I did not vote Tory] I can think of no politician less capable than Boris Johnson to undertake the task effectively. One does wonder how it would have worked if if Mrs May had been able to get her idea of the Brexit through Parliament. Thank you for probing on this point. Best wishes from George
Wait … last time I was in the UK food was MUCH more expensive than here in Germany. Why? Because in the UK big companies just rip you off while in Germany, ALDI and LIDL have pushed prices down to the lowest in the developed world. All being part of the EU… Too many people in these comments fall for the “it’s the bad EU” instead of realizing “it’s big companies allowed to rip of customers”
Old news is sometimes VERY revealing. It actually tries to explain things to viewers that it assumes have enough intelligence to understand what is going on, if someone just bothers to explain it properly. There is also no arguments, and opinions are treated as just that. A point of view, not a fact. AND, more importantly, people are actually listening to what other people are saying. giving the viewer a sense of progress and the notion that there understanding of the situation and what is going on is improving.
One has to wonder! When Boris did his 'deal' it was very disconcerting to see the 27 EU members enthusiastically patting him on the back. He had clearly done a great deal for them. We can only hope that he is leading them up the proverbial garden path and will soon reveal his hand. Is Boris a Churchill or a Chamberlain? All will come clear soon enough.
@@cicero2 Agreed, he isn't stupid like May, let's hope he genuinely realises the people who voted him in now need him to live up to their expectations. I think he knows what the British people want, he just needs to make it happen, if that means NO DEAL then so be it, bring it on and bye EU
Well us here in Australia arent part of any economic union and we get rorted like no one else with prices. There is always someone or corporations rorting the people. Greed is everywhere with or without a union. I always slaid brexit or no brexit, nothing will change unless someone smashes the financial system and levels inequality.
Even in 1977 people knew joining the EU was a bad idea. Then for decades the anger simmered and simmered and finally we saw sense and voted to leave the EU and the Common Market. Our food prices and prices on other important thing are going to fall - drastically. And hopefully Remoaners will stop calling me a racist lol.
Green Pound clearly was a precursor for the Euro but not for public use. This video shows just how the EU manipulated food prices and disadvantaged the developing world in the process keeping them poor so they all wanted to move to a continent which had locked them out of providing cheaper food to Europe.
Have you noticed that supermarkets are gradually raising prices, that way, when they are forced to drop prices, they will only be bringing them down to what they were a little while ago, dirty cheats.
As a kid in the 70s I remember my poor mam struggling with these ridiculouse price rises. We had little money and this built my resentment to the European master plan. We have been getting screwed ever since. Roll on Brexit
So a big EU cartel like we thought all along and why we voted out and we are a charity case to the rest of the EU having to bail them out via high membership fees and high prices. TV as honest as this is very rare now in UK. Remoaners should be watching this. That housewife sounds middle class and even she is complaining about prices. Nowadays they have buy to let's and are fleecing working class people with high rents to offset the high prices.
Working class families like ours quickly went from eating beef two or three times a week, including large rib joints on Sunday, and eating chicken maybe once or twice a year, to beef becoming a luxury only bought occasionally. The use of ‘Common Market’ to describe the EEC, EC, EU was propagated to disguise the fact the it was intended from the outset to be a political union (C in the correct titles refers to community.) Ted Heath who took Britain in without a referendum did not disguise the fact; Harold Wilson portrayed the block as a Common Market in order to win support in the first referendum, called by him to silence objections from Labour rebels such as Michael Foot and Dennis Skinner. By the time of the second referendum called by David Cameron, to quell Conservative rebels, the political union cat was so far out of the bag that Eurocrats routinely referred to it as ‘The Project.’ The EU will always drive up consumer prices because it is inherently protectionist.
Paul Illingworth I was ten at the time and theuk farms were not protected but the french farmers were costing us eu citizens.All I want is gnickuf out The government then and now are as bent as a corner.Im voting Brexit Party no quibbles ...did you know hitler set up the EEC in1942 after he conquered continental Europe and then called Conveinently The EU and the EU commission is the faceless European industrialists who run our lives and we didn't vote them in the EU parliament is a fucking joke they can only order the coffees for the EU commission and wipe there arses and EU parliament get paid to shout at each other and extravagantly paid to tow the EU line Nigel hopefully will take us the Fck out
And as we are not members anymore prices should drop? The CAP was reformed in 2006 and look prices didn't drop at the shops! Prices gone up and still going up.
Anthony Roberts I’m not sure where you get your facts from but British food tends to be predominantly fresh, seasonal and local. Obviously we still buy some processed foods like bacon and some families eat a lot of frozen, cheap foods because they are counting every penny. Even now most family meals are cooked at home using fresh ingredients.
@@JulieWallis1963 I'm wondering the same about you. 😄 The programme showed a "typical" weekly shop then. Have a look in checkout trolleys next time you shop and you'll see the same, as I did, 20 minutes ago. And yes, the raw food is available, even cheaply, but most people don't buy it.
Exellent video, but you have to consider that the E.E.C members where much fewer than today, so the dynamics were different, today this creation which is called the E.U is all of Europe so the space of manoeuvring is Zero, so it is not a matter of leaving, in my opinion either the E.U reforms or break up
Surely Ralph Howell is the epitomy of what is wrong with policy and politics. What I mean is the OBVIOUS conflict of interest. he is a farmer and an MP as well as a MEP ! So, he can pull strings and vote on what is best for HIM . I am sure if he was the CEO of a British Motorcycle company as well as an MP and MEP we would have been manufacturing and exporting British Bikes all over the place alot longer that we did ! . Politicians only look after themselves and their cronies and sod the general public.
So this is where the food mountains came from. My left wing teachers used to tell me back in the day that it was because European farmers were so efficient under EU socialist rule. This is the sort of information that can burst a remainiac bubble.
You could name and shame the knowledgable teachers that told you so.Get a few fellow pupils to confirm it first. Of course you can expect an applause from the opposition.
Oh for the days of half-way honest reporting.
But it's proven nonsense
But only half nonsense.
They didn't have to try so hard because there was no competing news on the telly
BBC not involved.
We need this today. Presenters who are easy on the ears and more honest journalism...
Classic. This should be broadcast on the BBC as part of their punishment for being biased.
@@Dparkes26 I know, facts are biased. Sorry your party lost.
@@Dparkes26 There is always the choice of moving to the EU in case prices of commodities fall in the UK because of Brexit.
@@Dparkes26 No, U.. R more biased than me.
@@Dparkes26 In this video they were discussing facts. How is that biased ?
This tells the tale of France's deal with the EU- a lifestyle, unproductive farming methods, payment for fields left fallow and fixed price produce. Anyone remember when the words, New Zealand Lamb were common?
What a surprise - Farmer Ralph Howell defends the CAP and high food prices.
I was at a public (i.e. private) prep school in the mid 70s and many of the boys there were the sons of farmers, living it up on the CAP.
He was defending the subsidies paid to farmers. And people (usually business owners like him) moan about people being on Social Welfare that are "sponging off the government".
Why oh why I ask my self am I watching this video at 04:10 Hours in the morning when I'm up for work at 08:45 Hours! Lol this is the wonderful thing of RUclips! :). Regards.
4:33 am for me....
Frank Keller I think more people suffer insomnia that we believe
good old ThamesTv, i wish it was like that now on TV
Every remainer needs to see this to find out where it all started
Ok, boomer.
Yeah, damn the EU for protecting industry and jobs and not flooding our markets with cheap foreign imports, killing our locally produced produce and putting people out of jobs, and sending our hard earned money to countries outside the EU. How about you learn basic economics first before preaching?
Oh you boomer fool. How they have duped you.
Wait and see just how poor you get.
Frankly you deserve Brexit.
@Richard L Oh I do pity the multi millionaire landowners who for decades have been swallowing up the CAP subsidies. What about the small farms who can't make a living because EU subsidies favour the farmers in Europe. Don't get me started on the CFP and the detrimental effects on our coastal communities. Try living in a rural coastal community before you start spouting your nonsense.
@Richard L the borders?
Look real Journalists!
Except they got it completely wrong, food prices have halved in real terms since 1977
They support my opinion they must be true and honest.
The French farmers quickly twigged on that they would get paid even if they produced next to nothing every year. The EU needs surpluses to be able have a fixed higher price.
How does oversupply cause higher prices? Makes no sense.
@@g0801215 Oversupply is set at a 'limit' that creates a fixed price but at a higher level. It is all carefully balanced.
Brilliant, a nice up to date comment on the EU, (sorry EEC), from an unbiased source. 👍
I was a teenager back then. I remember the anguish of my parents at us joining and remaining in the Common Market, amd raging food prices that resulted.
Has anyone considered the UK leaving the common market? Can’t be that hard to do.
maybe they should put it to a vote
@@innesdundas6487 Just the one?..... or should we make it best of three ?
@@johntowers1213 why not make it an annual decision
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@@zava5025 - Thanks for sharing your lack of knowledge on our situation
This clip would be burned down some dark alley if it were made today never to be seen again!
It's not relevant. The EU abolished minimum prices in the 00s. Keep up.
@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe if that's what you think 😂
@@arnoldrimmer9161 well they have. they largely abandoned direct link to production after GATT in the 90s and WTO rules, there is some intervention but nothing like what used to happen in the 70s and 80s. anyway what does it matter, we're out of the EU now anyway.
@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe yep were out and prices are coming down
No wonder there was a lot of industrial action during that time period. The price for basics were on a price escalator. up, Up and UP !
True, my first job was in a food shop in 1977 and every Monday we received a booklet from head office with all the latest price increaes. So my task was to go round peel off the old price stickers and put on the newer higher price. I felt guilty like I was stealing from people but at that age I thought it was normal.
@Dave Coyle
Yes we should lower wages of all people down to 10% where they are now, the result will be a glorious boom.
Why don't you start with that and send 90% of your wages back to your employer?
@Dave Coyle
Ment wages, but not to have any loans is very irresponsible, you need to take loans and pay them back in order to get good credit scores.
"[...] there needs to be reform..."
I remember back in the mid-90's seeing a C.A.P. debate where they were *still* talking about milk lakes & butter mountains.
If you can't change them, leave them.
Wow, when people on the TV told the truth!
Yes - and it ain't really that long ago in the bigger picture of things
I do actually remember some of this, I would’ve been around 15/16 years old.
My parents were up in arms over the Common Market price fixing.
I remember seeing scenes of butter mountains being bucket loaded into wagons for landfill before lower the price.
Beef was canned, then stored in warehouses, it was eventually distributed amongst the unemployed.
And yes, TV was much more truthful.
I remember watching war documentaries with my father, he was a war veteran.
The differences in the stories, and the way narration is done, is a world apart from what we see today.
The older narrative was more matter of fact, also giving some respect to the enemy, this is reflected in older movies, such as Battle of the Bulge.
Today, the narrative is much more sneering, with constant snide remarks.
I find today’s history documentaries unwatchable.
MAGA anti-globalist Trump called it. Maybe it will return some day. Unlikely. Orwell’s 1984 is happening right before our eyes now.
Very interesting. No dumbing-down! I was 6 in 1977, and I remember this apparent obsession with grocery prices in the 70s and early 80s, doubtless on the back of the high inflation of the mid-70s.. It seems a bit strange now, nobody seems to care if their bread goes up by 3 or 4 pence a loaf now. This is also a great explanation of the butter mountain and wine lake!
oh, how times have changed in a year or so
Wow the journalists used to tell the truth?!?! MAD
The adoptive use of the Metric system by the British in 1985 Pay more Get less programme contributed to slow growth economical output.With the surplus Weights and Measures act the UK Was formulating a division of surplus that could never be attached to the British consumer.We were losing and the continent was gaining.I am glad this 1977 vault of information has been discovered and released.
UK Politicians had their snouts in the EU trough decades ago and have been feasting well on it ever since. Remainer politicians must feel heartbroken at losing such a lucrative income
Including Farage don't forget
@@danellis-jones1591 Well at least that turkey voted for Christmas
This should be shown on TV now.
Fast forward 40 years later, we're having the same debate about the now European Union!
eu closed shop dictatorship - always has been always will be. It's good to know how our taxes are being syphoned into someones offshore account
steve gale napoleon also said history is all lies agreed upon I researched history he was right and part of it 👍💸
@steve gale Actually, Napoleon said both. He said first that they were a nation of shopkeepers, but this was misinterpreted as an insult, he later clarified that he meant it as a compliment, as Britain was a nation of merchants.
steve gale the Tartarian empire
@C -Where did you get your diploma or degree in being brainwashed? Woke University? Hahaha. Learn history and see that the time English and the British empire had slaves and slave trade is a blip in time compared to other people, cultures and nations. You need a better education. There is more slavery now in the world than ever before and none of this done by white Europeans either. Like I say though you need to learn history and current happenings in the world and why not oppose slavery and support humanitarian and equality in other nations? They need your help. British slaves also existed. There is so much you need to learn in this area. Totally brainwashed and know so little.
This needs to be show as a reminder to the remainers as to why we want to leave, part of the reason anyway.
Why? It's 43 years out of date and turned out to be totally wrong in reality we have the cheapest food in Europe and food prices have halved in real terms since 1977 www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45559594
Why can’t we get programmes like this in modern days. This is the Briton I saw when I was young.
😂😂😂 How much does that old guy sound like Zippy??
Oh! Jeffrey ;)
SO much! :D xx
Crazy thing is that now we all want cheapest prices and more and more things. How on earth is butter for example, about the same price now as 40 years ago??? No wonder farmers can't make any money... Except for massive conglomerates...
The resentment this caused has simmered for decades. At last the UK has got shot of this nonsense. The UK government must not replicate the policy after Brexit.
Dude the resentment has been building since anglo saxon days when we fled the mainlanders and their nonsense to become islanders. We even left em alone and their raiding turned into 2 world wars, the price we pay is in blood to these degenerates.
Ok bye
Bred for the yoke serfs choking on their own shitty propaganda.
Common EU market is great, too bad it is package deal with all the bullshit regulations that EU bureaucrats spew on us.
@@opus_workshop What exactly is the point of your question? The population of the UK needs imports to live. Literally. Anything which makes imports more expensive is negative for the people who live and work in the UK. Tariffs have the same effect as undue transport costs.
Ralph Howell mp was absolutely hilarious! He obviously thought that a few statistics would win the argument of the day.
No, he knew it was going to happen no matter what the public thought. It was all agreed in the Conferences after the War.
This was an effort to fight against the Price and Demand system. It is and was doomed to failure.
I'm in Canada and I remember my mother saying even here in Canada around the same time (1977) food prices took a big jump in price. Then in the early 1980s another jump in prices mortgages were in the 15% range now in 2019 mortgages are about 3%.
This was the real effect of joining the EU, higher prices
That MP was shocking. Nothing much changed there regardless of party.
Even in 1977 Range Rovers were expensive, what did people think the poor farmers would drive if they didn't pay through the nose? A tractor?
8am Christmas Day.... why am I watching this 🤔
It's now 10am...
GET THIS THING DONE #BREXIT
Why am I watching it at 08.10am on Boxing Day?
What the Hell is going on in this video they seem to be talking sense talking about the facts not their opinions
This just confirms what I always thought that food prices rocketed on joining the EEC this after ripping up trade deals with NZ & AUS which provided us with cheaper meat and dairy products.
It also has to be remembered CAP represented 60% of the EEC expenditure at the time of this video and I also remember there was an influx in the 70's of day trippers from the continent to the south of england to take advantage of cheaper goods in the stores.
This of course is all contrary to what we have been told over the last 5 years or so.
Had to laugh at Ralph Howells lie of there of butter mountains having only 5 weeks supply, If that was the case, why was it given away, along with tins of minced beef, to those who were in receipt of benefits for months on end in the mid 80s. Those mountains and lakes were massive.
In the late 70s - early 80s the company I worked for put thousands of tons of high quality milk powder into animal feed every year !
Who dealt with drinking the EU wine lake ?
Animal feed, which ironically is what milk is supposed to be.
@@philhealey449 Jean-Claude Juncker, Phil.
@@philhealey449 my wife and I can account for a large part of it.
@@Jungleland33 Well I try to do my bit myself, but it's a struggle !
If the EU was a company it would get done for price fixing something the EU regularly do to actual companies.. ironic!!
We were lied to when we went in,we were lied to when we tried to get out.If our polititions do a half decent job in the negotiations next year we will prosper coming out,the young generation should to old 50 something old bastards like myself for a change !!!!!
They just call us boomers or gammons because they think they know better, even though generally they know FA.
The free market came up with futures and options. This is a voluntary mechanism and does not rely on farmers' subsidies. Farmer's subsidies means the tax payer is paying the farmer regardless if he produces or not. And then centralised controls tell the farmer what he can and can't grow and how.
Cheaper produce comes only from competition.
I agree. But if competition means small farmers get taken over by 'efficient' corporations with mechanised production this is bad... Bad for our food, for animals and for the environment - not to mention bad for farmers and farming communities. Monopoly isn't competition.
I watched this program in 1977. Its one of the reasons I have always been a leaver.
I was a leaver as soon as I knew we had joined e the EEC because I don't remember being asked to vote - the paperwork obviously went astray!
*programme. We're not American.
Very interesting and informative - thanks!
Host: "Its alright you saying the prices are not high but what about those who can`t afford to pay those prices surely the prices are too high for them?"
Pro Common Market farmer: "No!"
Thank goodness we left. Even in 1977 this sounded mad.
When I lived in the UK I was always anti EEC because of programs like this, if I was still there I would be a brexit supporter
I am Italian and I assure you that brexit was the best thing ever
Imagine how much richerer we would be had we never joined!
We were fucked when we joined, ever remember being called the sick man of Europe?
@Thierry Mercadier exactly! So many people forget how utterly screwed the UK was before we joined!
@@Eddiecurrent2000 no, we wernt screwed, we got loads of immigrants who cut us out of jobs for shorter pay and longer hours.. and we was still paying Germany to rebuild. ..and india!, well, don't get me started...
Roger Cliftonville-Acton ....errrrr. I think you’ll find we were on our knees when we joined. We had to borrow money from the IMF and our industries were at the mercy of unions. We ran out of power and resorted to a 3 day week and poverty was the highest in Europe.
So if you think Britain would have been richer without the EU... you need to remove your rose-tinted glasses. But also, remind yourself of the facts... that the EU doesn’t control our economy it’s internal government...
The EU agree laws for things like working conditions, employees rights, food standards.
But I can’t expect Brexiteers to comprehend or worry about the facts... Clearly Boris doesn’t 😂
@@bens1972 how do you work that out? The EU paid JLR to build a plant in Slovakia, the UK can't fund JLR because of EU regulations, jobs lost , the EU paid €2.2 billion to an Asian car manufacturer to build a plant in Slovakia, they no supply British police force with cars, the UK government tried to bail out vauxhall Ellesmere port with £50 million, the EU said no
National Housewives Association!!!!, I never knew there was such an organisation before.
they will be taking this down soon!- I am downloading it!
This should been shown the night before the referendum, as normal french farmers costing us uk taxpayers well no more lets get that cheap wine and cheese flooding in. While were at it take back your people so we have room here.
SYNTAX ERROR
Ok, boomer.
@@quigonalix eh 38 years old. Remouner
Except in reality we have the cheapest food in Europe and food prices have halved in real terms since 1977 www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45559594
The only guaranteed outcome of regulation is higher price.
David Lowe yes
.... and the continuing employment of those who do the regulating....
Except you're completely wrong, food prices have halved in real terms since 1977. They give the cost in the video of an average basket of food at £28 the average wage then was £60, you could feed yourself perfectly well today for a week for £28.
@@primitivo4604 You haven't factored in the vast improvements to farming and food processing efficiencies during the last 40 years, so your statement is meaningless. It's nearly always the case that over time the real cost of any product decreases in terms of equivalent purchasing power because of advancements in technology and so forth. Regulation has the effect of retarding those developments through restrictive practices, statism, and red tape.
@@davelowe1977 EU food standards and quality are the highest in the world. I´d much rather have clean fresh food than whatever the fuck americans are getting obese on
This is the reason why we should have never joined the CM and being in Europe is a disaster for England 🏴
@Peter it's already rising? The EU have always wanted to ruin our car industry, and we the UK are actually paying the EU to ruin it, not to mention the £500 million we paid to join it
You say England. Not the UK.
Peter we’ll just trade with their rivals. If they don’t want our business they won’t get it.
@Peter Landslide victory? The fact is, is that Europe needs the UK far more than we need the EU. We trade at a huge deficit with them. If they put high tariffs, we will do the same. Millions of jobs in the EU rely on markets in the UK. 100000 jobs in the German car market alone.
Except it's just speculation and turned out to be totally wrong, in reality we have the cheapest food in Europe and food prices have halved in real terms since 1977 www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45559594
Whoever thought this nonsense would ever work?
Half-witted politician ...still plenty like him.
I think you are being too kind!
That all worked out well didn’t it ☹️☘️💚😉
I'm about 40 don't think I've seen food prices come down in my adult years. Remember it as a kid though.
Believe it or not we used to get deflation as well as inflation.
Evidence is on the screen.
All the items shown are now about three times the price.
That would be consistant with 20 years of inflation.
There was less lorry's grid locking the roads. Less cattle transported live across Europe.
Your food had a much smaller carbon footprint too.
But you won't see any of these facts on proremain BBC.
This type of debate will be unthinkable of happening today, a mainstream media company allowing criticism of their beloved EU to be aired on public television.
At that time the breadwinner earned enough to keep their family leaving one to bring up the children in a decent way, now both parents need to work...shame
Except in reality we have the cheapest food in Europe and food prices have halved in real terms since 1977 www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45559594
@@primitivo4604 But could be cheaper once we've left. Most of our food comes from the UK, and with FTA with other countries prices may be even cheaper, especially for Australian meat.
@@garyl5128 Around 80% of our food is imported, food will never be as cheap again after leaving the collective bargaining power of the worlds largest trading bloc.
@@primitivo4604 More like 50%, and for the reasons given show why the EUs food isn't always necessarily the cheapest.
@@garyl5128 It's around 80%, the figure of 50% includes things imported as raw materials then repackaged here, and given we currently have the some of the cheapest food in the world and would have to import from further afield the logistics involved in that combined with the end of frictionless trade through our land border to the continent it's clearly going to increase in price.
It was in about 1981 that decided that I thought the UK had made a big mistake in joining the EEC. At the time it was a distinctly minority view based on what I knew of farming as a farmer's son. I thought that the longer we stayed in the EEC/EU that harder would it become to leave until we would never be able to.
It seems that the intractable situation today rather shows that suspicion was correct. Perhaps this is our last chance to leave. If Brexit is abandoned then we are in the EU for the foreseeable future.
I’m curious how you are finding it now we’ve left.
@@martinhawes5647
Dear Martin,
It is clear that leaving the EU was a tremendous mistake. My view is still EU-skeptical, but the results speak for themselves. I did not foresee that leaving would be so impractical. I was wrong to vote leave, and I am not so proud as to double down on my mistaken view.
On the other hand [and I did not vote Tory] I can think of no politician less capable than Boris Johnson to undertake the task effectively. One does wonder how it would have worked if if Mrs May had been able to get her idea of the Brexit through Parliament.
Thank you for probing on this point.
Best wishes from George
People could talk common sense and even the *English language* then!!
When the term "butter mountain" was born. God what a bad decision it was to join the Common Market. I personally vote NO!!
Ok, boomer.
@@quigonalix Thanks Butthead!!😁😁😁🖕🖕
QuiGonAlix You love that dead meme don’t you 😂
The 1975 referendum was to stay or leave as we had joined on 1/1/73. 8 million voted to leave. Now 17.4 million want to leave!
@Razorback73 haha well said.
Wait … last time I was in the UK food was MUCH more expensive than here in Germany. Why? Because in the UK big companies just rip you off while in Germany, ALDI and LIDL have pushed prices down to the lowest in the developed world. All being part of the EU… Too many people in these comments fall for the “it’s the bad EU” instead of realizing “it’s big companies allowed to rip of customers”
What is the rate of inflation in Germany?
Old news is sometimes VERY revealing. It actually tries to explain things to viewers that it assumes have enough intelligence to understand what is going on, if someone just bothers to explain it properly. There is also no arguments, and opinions are treated as just that. A point of view, not a fact. AND, more importantly, people are actually listening to what other people are saying. giving the viewer a sense of progress and the notion that there understanding of the situation and what is going on is improving.
Random wah pedal at 14:28.
The Leave campaign should have latched onto this footage.
SPOILER ARLERT. Food prices halved in real terms after 1977 and we had the lowest food prices in Europe prior to brexit.
Mr Howell is obviously blue and gold through and through.
Sadly I think Boris will keep us in the EU looking at the crap deal, makes you wonder what's in it for him
I think there's far far more in it for him to get us out.
One has to wonder! When Boris did his 'deal' it was very disconcerting to see the 27 EU members enthusiastically patting him on the back. He had clearly done a great deal for them. We can only hope that he is leading them up the proverbial garden path and will soon reveal his hand. Is Boris a Churchill or a Chamberlain? All will come clear soon enough.
@@cicero2 Agreed, he isn't stupid like May, let's hope he genuinely realises the people who voted him in now need him to live up to their expectations. I think he knows what the British people want, he just needs to make it happen, if that means NO DEAL then so be it, bring it on and bye EU
Well us here in Australia arent part of any economic union and we get rorted like no one else with prices. There is always someone or corporations rorting the people. Greed is everywhere with or without a union. I always slaid brexit or no brexit, nothing will change unless someone smashes the financial system and levels inequality.
Even in 1977 people knew joining the EU was a bad idea.
Then for decades the anger simmered and simmered and finally we saw sense and voted to leave the EU and the Common Market.
Our food prices and prices on other important thing are going to fall - drastically.
And hopefully Remoaners will stop calling me a racist lol.
Commercial sugar notices prices are property as property in that farm farming sugar as a hotel as an extension
Watching this in September 2020 - we are nearly free from this madness !!
Green Pound clearly was a precursor for the Euro but not for public use. This video shows just how the EU manipulated food prices and disadvantaged the developing world in the process keeping them poor so they all wanted to move to a continent which had locked them out of providing cheaper food to Europe.
Roll on the cheap prices then after Brexit.
Can’t wait, eh
I will bet a Scarface sized desk full of Coke against that ever happening. Blissfully live the ignorant.
I don't think its the same today.
ahdb.org.uk/dairy/world-wholesale-prices
Have you noticed that supermarkets are gradually raising prices, that way, when they are forced to drop prices, they will only be bringing them down to what they were a little while ago, dirty cheats.
Don’t be so sure that prices will, inevitably drop back down
I’m surprised You Tube have allowed this video to stay up😂
As a kid in the 70s I remember my poor mam struggling with these ridiculouse price rises. We had little money and this built my resentment to the European master plan. We have been getting screwed ever since. Roll on Brexit
My Grandad before he passed away used to make good money before the common market
So a big EU cartel like we thought all along and why we voted out and we are a charity case to the rest of the EU having to bail them out via high membership fees and high prices. TV as honest as this is very rare now in UK. Remoaners should be watching this. That housewife sounds middle class and even she is complaining about prices. Nowadays they have buy to let's and are fleecing working class people with high rents to offset the high prices.
Honesty!
We should have been out of it 3 years ago.
Make Brexit Great Again.
You’ll be out soon enough. Enjoy that economic collapse lmao
Working class families like ours quickly went from eating beef two or three times a week, including large rib joints on Sunday, and eating chicken maybe once or twice a year, to beef becoming a luxury only bought occasionally. The use of ‘Common Market’ to describe the EEC, EC, EU was propagated to disguise the fact the it was intended from the outset to be a political union (C in the correct titles refers to community.) Ted Heath who took Britain in without a referendum did not disguise the fact; Harold Wilson portrayed the block as a Common Market in order to win support in the first referendum, called by him to silence objections from Labour rebels such as Michael Foot and Dennis Skinner. By the time of the second referendum called by David Cameron, to quell Conservative rebels, the political union cat was so far out of the bag that Eurocrats routinely referred to it as ‘The Project.’ The EU will always drive up consumer prices because it is inherently protectionist.
Commodity Prices: When Central Bank printer goes BRRrrrrrrrrrrr
This is why UK opted out
Pity they didn't show this in the run up to the referendum, would have been 70% leave. 'They' still wouldn't let us leave, we're fucked!
What lovely accents, a loss.
I love hearing her speak. So soothing.
Ultimate!
How much did wages change?
Just shows it was a disaster from the start ffs! This video was well before my time, we need to leave!
Paul Illingworth I was ten at the time and theuk farms were not protected but the french farmers were costing us eu citizens.All I want is gnickuf out The government then and now are as bent as a corner.Im voting Brexit Party no quibbles ...did you know hitler set up the EEC in1942 after he conquered continental Europe and then called Conveinently The EU and the EU commission is the faceless European industrialists who run our lives and we didn't vote them in the EU parliament is a fucking joke they can only order the coffees for the EU commission and wipe there arses and EU parliament get paid to shout at each other and extravagantly paid to tow the EU line Nigel hopefully will take us the Fck out
Bloody well happened didn’t it, lol.
Who trod on the wah wah pedal at 14:28?
Who's playing the guitar
I thought that by 1977 UK was on metric system,like Kilogram for weight not a Lbs.
And as we are not members anymore prices should drop? The CAP was reformed in 2006 and look prices didn't drop at the shops! Prices gone up and still going up.
Jeez, I remember watching this!! WOW how times have changed... BRING ON THE BREXIT, WTO!!!
Wait, there was a time when food prices dropped over years?
0.48 The British diet of processed foods! 😱
Anthony Roberts I’m not sure where you get your facts from but British food tends to be predominantly fresh, seasonal and local. Obviously we still buy some processed foods like bacon and some families eat a lot of frozen, cheap foods because they are counting every penny.
Even now most family meals are cooked at home using fresh ingredients.
@@JulieWallis1963
I'm wondering the same about you. 😄
The programme showed a "typical" weekly shop then. Have a look in checkout trolleys next time you shop and you'll see the same, as I did, 20 minutes ago.
And yes, the raw food is available, even cheaply, but most people don't buy it.
Joining the EU WAS the worst thing we did you join a club to get things cheaper. Could do with this type of program now. Brxit
You think our shopping will get cheaper after 5 - 10 years of Brexit?
It won't!
Wow the relative cost of food has dropped massively since the late 70's.
Exellent video, but you have to consider that the E.E.C members where much fewer than today, so the dynamics were different, today this creation which is called the E.U is all of Europe so the space of manoeuvring is Zero, so it is not a matter of leaving, in my opinion either the E.U reforms or break up
Now we’re out, prices are higher than when we were in and there’s less food 🤔
Food is much cheaper today
Surely Ralph Howell is the epitomy of what is wrong with policy and politics. What I mean is the OBVIOUS conflict of interest. he is a farmer and an MP as well as a MEP ! So, he can pull strings and vote on what is best for HIM . I am sure if he was the CEO of a British Motorcycle company as well as an MP and MEP we would have been manufacturing and exporting British Bikes all over the place alot longer that we did ! . Politicians only look after themselves and their cronies and sod the general public.
It's a pity they didn't bring that up during this TV programme.
Enough is enough. Time we left this corrupt organisation
@Mr Olsen yeh piss off back to eu land if you dont like it,
So this is where the food mountains came from. My left wing teachers used to tell me back in the day that it was because European farmers were so efficient under EU socialist rule. This is the sort of information that can burst a remainiac bubble.
European farmers were not more efficient which is why at the time of joining the EEC the British farmers were the wealthiest in Europe
You could name and shame the knowledgable teachers that told you so.Get a few fellow pupils to confirm it first. Of course you can expect an applause from the opposition.