You can be great without a championship. There's no way anyone can tell be Charles Barkley and Allen Iverson weren't great. If they aren't great due to lack of championships, should they be taken out of the Hall of Fame? I'm just saying. You can be great without a championship, but winning that ring definitely makes you elite.
100% agree. John Stockton, Karl Marlone, James Harden, Patrick Ewing etc these dudes are just basketball legends even without a ring in their resumes, they did it all
I total agree with you can be great without a chip. I would even go further to say one can be elite without winning a chip because a chip is also dependent on timing. If AI doesn't run into the Shaq & Kobe he gets a chip. If Barkley doesn't run into MJ he has a chip. If Malone or Stockton don't run into MJ twice they have 2 chips. I would even go as far as to say Brown and Tatum just won a chip but as of now they have not had the career that Harden has had even with Harden's decline in the last couple of years
Tatum the proof that you are not (or are even close to being) greater than an absolute legend like the long list of players in the HOF without rings. They werent to blame for their teams and administrations not being up to par and Tatum isnt to "blame" for his team being beyond elite in all parts of the floor.
@@StayTru101Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle (1988 Olympics Silver) w/ Charles MVP my PHX lost Finals during MJ era. *Drexler & Olajuwon '94/95 Champs. *Only because MJ retired i.e. NBA ban in his prime. Spurs' **Duncan & Robinson '99/03. **Only in MJ second Bulls & final retirements post-2002. Carmelo Anthony #3 was promised to 2004 Pistons as rookie but Detroit lied re draft #2.
@@louislittleton5655 The top 75 of all time is the highest level. There have been THOUSANDS of NBA players. Being considered 1 of the top 75 all time is the top level and several guys on that top level don’t have a ring. Just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about.
0:06 - You could tell Tatum wasn't cool with just throwing away all-time greats like Patrick Ewing, Steve Nash, Karl Malone, John Stockton, and so on...
There are definitely levels to greatness that a championship can cement you into it but no that isn’t the deciding factor or great James harden, Westbrook, Stockton, AI, Barkley, Ewing, etc. all greats that didn’t win not to mention how hard it is to win when some of the competition they faced were superteams.
Given how much playoffs are impacted by random things like injury and matchups, it’s too luck based for me to say it’s a meaningful part of an individuals accomplishments. Great players are still great without accolades. The only time awards make a difference is if you’re foolish enough to go deep into the GOAT debate (spoiler: all your candidates played different games w different rules and found different results. It’s not subjective, a truly decisive comparison is impossible)
To be the 🐐you have to win a championship probably multiple championships but you don’t have to win a championship to become a great player. Rings can also become overrated depending on the context that you win them in. I understand what Aja is saying but it’s not that black and white.
No you don’t thats narrative talk, anyone looking at the situation objectively will see that there are too many variables for this to be a realistic standard. I’ve seen people argue that the luck of being in fortunate enough situations is apart of greatness not sure how I feel about that but unless you agree with that I don’t see how you can say you need rings.
A championship is an organizational feat. There are teams who might never see a championship cause it’s not in the cards for that market. The Kings probably won’t win a chip for another 10-20 years cause the organization is eons behind. You can be a great player without a ring.
We can argue about whether Tatum is great or not but I know as of know he has not had a better career than AI, Harden, Barkley, Stockton, Ewing or Malone. Therefore, if Tatum is great, those other names are great as well
Jayson Tatum resume 5x All-Star games 3 all nba first team 1 all nba third team All star game MVP All rookie first team 1x gold medal 1x ECF MVP NBA champion Yeah that’s great player just because you don’t want accept that fact doesn’t mean he isn’t great This doesn’t even get into the statistically categories too.
So the bench players that on the championships team are great too, it's a team game esp if you are on the pack team like UCONN, SC, Aces. That championship is why they say CC is not better than them, sorry if you both played in IOWA we all know you will not win championship too.
I’ll just say it. The answer is yes for WNBA and no for NBA. Statistically, you have a much larger chance to win a title in the WNBA at the moment due to the amount of teams.
That's a fallacy. Less teams means the talent is much more condensed. If the WNBA added 18 more teams, do you think any of those additional teams would compete? No. If the NBA only had 12 teams then the talent pool would be compromised of the absolute elite players. There are so many non-factor teams in the NBA who don't have a chance at a championship.
@@Username2521hh Exactly. A dynasty team full of the world's best talent would be insurmountable which would actually make it MORE difficult to win unless you played for that one team. Was any team going to beat the 16-17 GSW? No, why not? Because of how condensed the latent was on one team. If every team had that level of talent then it becomes much more difficult to win because you essentially eliminate players and teams that aren't elite.
Amazing.how when Bron was.in search if his first.ring rhe haters all.said "He ain't gon be shytt until he get a ring!" Now he has 4 and thise same haters still try.to say he's nothing. Bottom line Jordan IS the goat but this type of BS is why I hate people. 😅 of course a player can be great without a ring.
What a brain dead take. No one has ever won a championship cause one player was great and carried the entire team of bums. Amongst the plethora of variables roster construction may be the biggest factor. If you put lebron on the current wizards for his whole career he probably would not have won a chip, but he’d still be just as good.
Of course somebody, who nobody sees as great, creates a stipulation for greatness that she fits into. She couldn’t make a G league team, she can’t talk about greatness.
@@patrick05Morgan ok and? He’s taller and bigger and faster and more athletic. That’s why there’s a women’s league and a men’s league. Men and women are biologically built different. That doesn’t take anything away from her greatness. Like I said she’s the best woman’s player in the world. She’s great.
@@brendanbloom3366 the point is that it’s much harder to be an all time great as a man considering that being her size, speed, and skill would make her a below average player in male leagues. Hence, it’s a false equivalency to compare the wnba championship to the difficulty of winning an NBA championship. She discredits several players that had a much higher bar/standard to meet than she did.
What a brain dead take. No one has ever won a championship cause one player was great and carried the entire team of bums. Amongst the plethora of variables roster construction may be the biggest factor. If you put lebron on the current wizards for his whole career he probably would not have won a chip, but he’d still be just as good.
You can be great without a championship. There's no way anyone can tell be Charles Barkley and Allen Iverson weren't great. If they aren't great due to lack of championships, should they be taken out of the Hall of Fame? I'm just saying. You can be great without a championship, but winning that ring definitely makes you elite.
100% agree. John Stockton, Karl Marlone, James Harden, Patrick Ewing etc these dudes are just basketball legends even without a ring in their resumes, they did it all
I total agree with you can be great without a chip. I would even go further to say one can be elite without winning a chip because a chip is also dependent on timing.
If AI doesn't run into the Shaq & Kobe he gets a chip.
If Barkley doesn't run into MJ he has a chip.
If Malone or Stockton don't run into MJ twice they have 2 chips.
I would even go as far as to say Brown and Tatum just won a chip but as of now they have not had the career that Harden has had even with Harden's decline in the last couple of years
💯💯 facts
They were greats but not champs.
It definitely takes a team to win a championship, 1 person isn't a champ without their team.
the people who have rings gonna always say yea, rings are a team accomplishment. u dnt get in the hof bc of rings
Tatum the proof that you are not (or are even close to being) greater than an absolute legend like the long list of players in the HOF without rings. They werent to blame for their teams and administrations not being up to par and Tatum isnt to "blame" for his team being beyond elite in all parts of the floor.
Not true. Jrue Holiday will be a HOFer because he has two chips. Great player but his stats alone won’t carry him into the HOF
@@Marshmallow-ht8me Only a stat-watcher would say that lmao Jrue won some games in the finals by himself. His defense is a game changer.
@@Marshmallow-ht8mehe still rich who cares
Blud put JT in the thumbnail and everyone else was just yapping instead of him
Yeah, fking clickbait
barkley, iverson, cp3, westbrook, nash, and howard just to name a few. you don't have to win a chip to be great. if you're great, you're great
Which Howard? Dwight won in 2020, Juwan Howard has 2 with Miami but not a hall of fame career.
@@PK2190 oh yes i forgot dwight won
Who’s Howard?
Can’t believe you skipped over Harden like that
@@StayTru101Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle (1988 Olympics Silver) w/ Charles MVP my PHX lost Finals during MJ era. *Drexler & Olajuwon '94/95 Champs. *Only because MJ retired i.e. NBA ban in his prime. Spurs' **Duncan & Robinson '99/03. **Only in MJ second Bulls & final retirements post-2002. Carmelo Anthony #3 was promised to 2004 Pistons as rookie but Detroit lied re draft #2.
Plenty of guys in the top 75 with no ring. How is this a question?
Cuz they using girl math bro
It’s Levels. Nobody in that top Level without a Chip Period!!
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The top 75 of all time is the highest level. There have been THOUSANDS of NBA players. Being considered 1 of the top 75 all time is the top level and several guys on that top level don’t have a ring. Just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@louislittleton5655 Don't yap.
0:06 - You could tell Tatum wasn't cool with just throwing away all-time greats like Patrick Ewing, Steve Nash, Karl Malone, John Stockton, and so on...
So A'ja wasn't great until she won the title ? Jordan was great before he won the title .
There are definitely levels to greatness that a championship can cement you into it but no that isn’t the deciding factor or great
James harden, Westbrook, Stockton, AI, Barkley, Ewing, etc. all greats that didn’t win not to mention how hard it is to win when some of the competition they faced were superteams.
What kind of bs 6th grade topic is this? I thought this was a channel for hoop heads and this is what they’re talking about?
Given how much playoffs are impacted by random things like injury and matchups, it’s too luck based for me to say it’s a meaningful part of an individuals accomplishments. Great players are still great without accolades.
The only time awards make a difference is if you’re foolish enough to go deep into the GOAT debate (spoiler: all your candidates played different games w different rules and found different results. It’s not subjective, a truly decisive comparison is impossible)
I couldn't be on a podcast next to Tatum cause I'll just stare at him the whole time 😫🙈😍❤️🙆🏻♂️
Aja played on the most stacked women’s team of all time with the Aces wasn’t that hard to win
Stacked!! Her, Plum and J Young were drafted. Chelsea was a FA pickup. They developed
Bro why isn’t Tatum talking he’s the reason I’m here
i read the title in paul georges charles barkley voice 😂😂
Allen Iverson, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, John Stockton, Karl Malone are all time greats
It’s Levels!! It Is what it is 🤷🏾♂️
Any bench player can get into a championship team. So no
Strike One
You don't have to win a ring to be great but you will be greater if you win rings.
To be the 🐐you have to win a championship probably multiple championships but you don’t have to win a championship to become a great player. Rings can also become overrated depending on the context that you win them in. I understand what Aja is saying but it’s not that black and white.
You can be "GREAT" without a title. But you can only become "ALL-TIME GREAT" with winning championships. Rest Well, Bill Russell
No you don’t thats narrative talk, anyone looking at the situation objectively will see that there are too many variables for this to be a realistic standard. I’ve seen people argue that the luck of being in fortunate enough situations is apart of greatness not sure how I feel about that but unless you agree with that I don’t see how you can say you need rings.
A championship is an organizational feat. There are teams who might never see a championship cause it’s not in the cards for that market. The Kings probably won’t win a chip for another 10-20 years cause the organization is eons behind. You can be a great player without a ring.
Bro let Jayson Tatum talk
I don’t think there’s a correlation between greatness and titles - for example, Jayson Tatum isn’t great, and he HAS won a title.
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He is great lmao, just review his current career how can you say that he’s not great
We can argue about whether Tatum is great or not but I know as of know he has not had a better career than AI, Harden, Barkley, Stockton, Ewing or Malone.
Therefore, if Tatum is great, those other names are great as well
Jayson Tatum resume
5x All-Star games
3 all nba first team
1 all nba third team
All star game MVP
All rookie first team
1x gold medal
1x ECF MVP
NBA champion
Yeah that’s great player just because you don’t want accept that fact doesn’t mean he isn’t great
This doesn’t even get into the statistically categories too.
@@collllllllthey all rich so what
So the bench players that on the championships team are great too, it's a team game esp if you are on the pack team like UCONN, SC, Aces. That championship is why they say CC is not better than them, sorry if you both played in IOWA we all know you will not win championship too.
he was way too emotional 😂
I’ll just say it. The answer is yes for WNBA and no for NBA. Statistically, you have a much larger chance to win a title in the WNBA at the moment due to the amount of teams.
That's a fallacy. Less teams means the talent is much more condensed. If the WNBA added 18 more teams, do you think any of those additional teams would compete? No. If the NBA only had 12 teams then the talent pool would be compromised of the absolute elite players. There are so many non-factor teams in the NBA who don't have a chance at a championship.
@@Gymantismathematics isn’t a fallacy. You can play for every team during a career in the WNBA. Your odds of joining a dynasty are much higher.
@@Username2521hh Exactly. A dynasty team full of the world's best talent would be insurmountable which would actually make it MORE difficult to win unless you played for that one team. Was any team going to beat the 16-17 GSW? No, why not? Because of how condensed the latent was on one team. If every team had that level of talent then it becomes much more difficult to win because you essentially eliminate players and teams that aren't elite.
Everybody they put in the top 10 has Rings!!
With that logic.. the more rings you have the greater. Which isn’t true. If it were.. Robert Horry would be damn near the GOAT.
Dude in black talks a lot
Bruh jj really fucked over the original fans doing this now we got people who don't even know Tommy alter and are disrespecting him
AI didn’t win a ring & is a bigger influence on the culture than anyone in this video
There are so many great names that didnt win, from Charles, cp3, stockton, baylor, harden, ect.
Why A’ja throwing up gdk?
Amazing.how when Bron was.in search if his first.ring rhe haters all.said "He ain't gon be shytt until he get a ring!" Now he has 4 and thise same haters still try.to say he's nothing. Bottom line Jordan IS the goat but this type of BS is why I hate people. 😅 of course a player can be great without a ring.
No
Mfs say anything
What a brain dead take. No one has ever won a championship cause one player was great and carried the entire team of bums. Amongst the plethora of variables roster construction may be the biggest factor. If you put lebron on the current wizards for his whole career he probably would not have won a chip, but he’d still be just as good.
Tatum looks like a middle school kid with his legs shaking all interview.
Asking Jason “1in3” Tatum?
Rename this video woman wont shut up or make seperate Channel for WNBA videos and dont use Tatum as click bait. Channel gome to trash now JJ gone
This channel is dead.
AJ kinda talking non sense ngl
Of course somebody, who nobody sees as great, creates a stipulation for greatness that she fits into. She couldn’t make a G league team, she can’t talk about greatness.
She couldn’t dominate the best highschool players
She’s the best woman’s player in the world. She’s great. She’s wrong tho. Rings are a team accomplishment.
@@brendanbloom3366 cooper Flagg could 11-0 her in 1v1
@@patrick05Morgan ok and? He’s taller and bigger and faster and more athletic. That’s why there’s a women’s league and a men’s league. Men and women are biologically built different. That doesn’t take anything away from her greatness. Like I said she’s the best woman’s player in the world. She’s great.
@@brendanbloom3366 the point is that it’s much harder to be an all time great as a man considering that being her size, speed, and skill would make her a below average player in male leagues. Hence, it’s a false equivalency to compare the wnba championship to the difficulty of winning an NBA championship. She discredits several players that had a much higher bar/standard to meet than she did.
She said some stupid junk
Is that a man?
What a brain dead take. No one has ever won a championship cause one player was great and carried the entire team of bums. Amongst the plethora of variables roster construction may be the biggest factor. If you put lebron on the current wizards for his whole career he probably would not have won a chip, but he’d still be just as good.