The interview clearly states that they started in the early fifties long before Pigmeat Markham. Many in Jamaica may not have heard of Count Machuki so it isn’t surprising that Rappers in the USA don’t quote him as an influence. He influenced those who influenced them. Let us celebrate the true history.
Winston Dawes I agree with your second point. Count Machuki,Stitt,Sir Lord Comic,Prince Buster etc.and later on U Roy should be recognized as unsung predecessors of rap. That said Machuki was born in '39,began his career in the 50s and didn't have any published recordings until '69 I believe. Pigmeat on the other hand was born in 1904,began his career in the 20s and began publishing albums in the early 60s.What's more is Pigmeat's vocals were structurally much closer to modern rapping than what the early Jamaican deejays were doing. In my view records like "Here Comes the Judge" are the first "rap " if not proper "hip hop" records whereas the Jamaican sound system deejays represent the formal template upon which hip hop would be based--namely stylized talk and party rocking over an instrumental beat played by a dj/selector.
@@kevinscott59 'Rapping' over an instrumental especially on vinyl is the definitive factor. 2nd...Kool Herc style of sound system and playing breaks while Coke La Rock spitting jive like Sir Lord Comic or I Roy is also definitive...JA played a majority influence based on these 2 facts and many more!!!
Mark Maker I agree. Jamaican sound system culture is the godfather of US hip hop. I was simply stating it's my opinion that Pigmeat Markham's record was the first rap record in the modern sense.
@@markmaker4551 rapping over MUSIC is the definitive factor. And they have been doing that almost everywhere in Africa-I've seen traditional singers do it in Senegal, Angola and Mali up to this day with all the complex writing and delivry structure. Trying to find an inventor to rap isn't really fair.
"No matter what the people say, these sounds, lead the way, it's the order of the day,from your boss dj, king stitt, hot it from the top, to the very last drop"
Count Machuki one of the original Spanglers: the man passed without not even a posthumous OD, no honor Jamaica's 1st DJ. Sad... these men should get ODs/OMs whatever before David Rodigan, straight! Worry dem a worry dem foreign mind ⚡
No need to drag Rodigan name. The blame is directly on the doorstep of the Jamaican government. After all Rodigan never beg fi de award. We need to love our own
@@sinaolowoake8142 My beef is with our Government, not Rodigan; but at the time that I made this original post, Rodigan was given an award and our local icons were not.
@@bundown5463 Exactly. The government has let down a lot of icons. From 1996 I have been petitioning the JA government to declare an international year of dancehall because they still treat dancehall as poor man ting but us dancehall that actually showcase the real Jamaica. I am Nigerian but dancehall taught me that Jamaica has 14 parishes. Jubilee is a hospital where nuff baby born. Ackee and Salt fish ah de national dish. You have RjR and JBC. And Skate land is in half way tree. I know Constant Springs, Cross Roads. All from dancehall....So dem better show some respect to de real icon dem
@@sinaolowoake8142 Seen. I went to college with many Africans in Jamaica and dancehall taught them our culture: language and all. It's a shame how JA's culture is virtually neglected by our government.
the historical significance of this interview cannot be understated , we are hearing from a person who actually created a music genre , this small island (JAMAICA) has created two genres of music that are now categories at the grammy awards , it is truly astounding .
Heard About this guys from a cousin of mines, also Saw King Stitt on the street once with my dad when I was a small child, he was walking by us! Love hearing the Music
Count Machuki stated about the origins of this craft... “I was walking late one night about a quarter to three. Somewhere in Denham Town. And I hear this guy on the radio, some American guy advertising Royal Crown Hair Dressing. ‘You see you’re drying up with this one, Johnny, try Royal Crown. When you’re downtown you’re the smartest guy in town, when you use Royal Crown and Royal Crown make you the smartest guy in town.’ That deliverance! This guy sound like a machine! A tongue-twister! I heard that in 1949. On one of them States stations that was really strong. I hear this guy sing out ‘pon the radio and I just like the sound. And I say, I think I can do better. I’d like to play some recordings and just jive talk like this guy.” All this stuff these Jamaicans say they created were done first and inspired by African Americans..They come across like Culture vultures and history revisers.
@@maxwellbrisk5622 How blk Americans influenced blk americans? 🤣 EVERYONE gets influenced by a previous nation of ppl. U dont just wake up and say "Look we just made up this music". Lol thats NOT how it works.
@@M0schin00 We created our own genres and were influenced by us..Jazz, Blues, Rock & Roll, Doo Wop, R&B, Pop, Disco, Rap, Soul/Funk, House and even Country derives from us...Where do you think Reggae was inspired from? lol better do your research.
Toasting is an African American oral tradition that goes back at least to the beginning of the 20th century. Machuki literally emulated "Jive Talk" that he heard from Black American radio DJs and even copied from a Jive Talk book that he purchased. Hip Hop didn't take no damn influence from some guy who was copying what Black Americans were already doing. These sloppy lies need to END.
@TenderViddlez What was it ? Is not black music. Jamaica always had black American influences in the music but the founded an art form off it and you people get vibes from it. Acknowledge Machukie, Stitt and Kool Herc. Manners.
@@leonramsay21 Nobody in American even knows who Machukie or Stitt is... How tf can Black Americans (who create all the vibes that everyone else copies) get a "vibe" from them? It makes no sense. Toasting is a Black American ORAL TRADITION going back over a century. Toasting isn't an oral tradition in Jamaica, it was barely started by Machukie who copied it from us in the 50's. Kool Herc didn't bring any "jamaican toasting" into Hip Hop culture... he even admitted this himself and its DOCUMENTED. Why would Americans need to find inspiration when our inspiration is right here in our own culture already? Why would we be inspired by people who are copying what we're already doing? And how could we be inspired when we don't even hear Jamaican radio, or experience Jamaican culture since we're in a completely different country. None of this even makes sense. lol😂
Nice interview, but I wouldn't call Count Machuki the progenitor of rap, that would go to black american radio dj's, comedians, and poets. I never heard the first rappers mention Count Machuki as their influence, BUT they did say Pigmeat Markhams' "here come the judge", last poets,James Brown, and radio dj's as their influence. If you listen to "here come the Judge" it is clear as day as why he is considered the first modern rapper as that song has the rhythm, and rhyme flow of early rappers. Its no coincidence that the song was released in 1968, and people started emulating that flow a few years later. The same for his song "who got the number". And you can tell they listened to radio dj's, because the early rappers had their flow as well! Props to King Stitt, and Count Machuki, but they aren't the fathers of rapping, at least in the states. Just wanted to keep the truth of hip hop history to be told, if not, down the line none of the early fathers will get their due respect. The same should be done with Dancehall, I love both genres! Here comes the judge(1968): ruclips.net/video/NRS62nccwmw/видео.html Who got the number(go to 2:23) ruclips.net/video/O4xCBlyUV68/видео.html
I see you can't read, because the first line said exactly that, and I explained why! You must have a heart filled with hate if you can't even see what is in front of you
RealDeal the songs that you mentioned from pigment Markham are funk and old school rhyming. but yes Jamaicans created hip-hop culture, and I'll stress the word CULTURE. Before dj Kool Herc a Jamaican, who did what Kool Herc did? Who had street parties with tower high speakers with two turn table and a microphone, rhyming and live mixing of records at that time? I have never heard of any credible dj debating that they were the first or challenge Dj Kool herc, all dj in his era said they were influenced by dj Kool Herc. Afrika bambaataa said it best, many genres rhyme in their music before rap inception including African musicians, dancehall, jazz, funk, soul, even country musicians rhymed that sounds like rap in the 50s. So your confusing rhyming exclusive only to hip hop when the truth is many other genres have been "rapping" before hip-hop. Now lets talk about culture. Dj Kool Herc was influenced by Jamaican dancehall sound system from the early 50s and 60s. Dancehall sound systems would pack up there equipment play around different part of the city with tower speakers two turn tables and a microphone. A selector play the music and several resident DJ/ (rapper) will "rap" or sing over instrumentals, two decades before the birth of rap. I know it bruise some people ego but Jamaicans are trend setters. not only hip-hop, Jamaicans invented and influenced many EDM genres too, just look up Dub music but that's another debate.
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Count Machuki is my fathers second cousin, when my father came to England he also built a sound as he missed the sound systems back home.
Have you taken up the torch ?🔥
The interview clearly states that they started in the early fifties long before Pigmeat Markham. Many in Jamaica may not have heard of Count Machuki so it isn’t surprising that Rappers in the USA don’t quote him as an influence. He influenced those who influenced them. Let us celebrate the true history.
Winston Dawes
I agree with your second point.
Count Machuki,Stitt,Sir Lord Comic,Prince Buster etc.and later on U Roy should be recognized as
unsung predecessors of rap.
That said Machuki was born in '39,began his career in the 50s and didn't have any published recordings until '69 I believe.
Pigmeat on the other hand was born in 1904,began his career in the 20s and began publishing albums in the early 60s.What's more is Pigmeat's vocals were structurally much closer to modern rapping than what the early Jamaican deejays were doing.
In my view records like "Here Comes the Judge" are the first "rap " if not proper "hip hop" records whereas the Jamaican sound system deejays represent the formal template upon which hip hop would be based--namely stylized talk and party rocking over an instrumental beat played by a dj/selector.
@@kevinscott59 'Rapping' over an instrumental especially on vinyl is the definitive factor. 2nd...Kool Herc style of sound system and playing breaks while Coke La Rock spitting jive like Sir Lord Comic or I Roy is also definitive...JA played a majority influence based on these 2 facts and many more!!!
Mark Maker
I agree.
Jamaican sound system culture is the godfather of US hip hop.
I was simply stating it's my opinion that Pigmeat Markham's record was the first rap record in the modern sense.
@@markmaker4551 rapping over MUSIC is the definitive factor. And they have been doing that almost everywhere in Africa-I've seen traditional singers do it in Senegal, Angola and Mali up to this day with all the complex writing and delivry structure. Trying to find an inventor to rap isn't really fair.
Jamaica's Government should recognizing these pioneers.
"No matter what the people say, these sounds, lead the way,
it's the order of the day,from your boss dj, king stitt, hot it from the top, to the very last drop"
...... I King Stitt..
This is transcribed in the book Im reading. Great to actually hear this anecdote. The book is Reggae The Rough Guide. Wow its like verbatim
Undercut and underrated. This was the greatness that started it all!
Legends, both of them
Count Machuki one of the original Spanglers: the man passed without not even a posthumous OD, no honor Jamaica's 1st DJ. Sad... these men should get ODs/OMs whatever before David Rodigan, straight! Worry dem a worry dem foreign mind ⚡
No need to drag Rodigan name. The blame is directly on the doorstep of the Jamaican government. After all Rodigan never beg fi de award. We need to love our own
@@sinaolowoake8142 My beef is with our Government, not Rodigan; but at the time that I made this original post, Rodigan was given an award and our local icons were not.
@@bundown5463 Exactly. The government has let down a lot of icons. From 1996 I have been petitioning the JA government to declare an international year of dancehall because they still treat dancehall as poor man ting but us dancehall that actually showcase the real Jamaica. I am Nigerian but dancehall taught me that Jamaica has 14 parishes. Jubilee is a hospital where nuff baby born. Ackee and Salt fish ah de national dish. You have RjR and JBC. And Skate land is in half way tree. I know Constant Springs, Cross Roads. All from dancehall....So dem better show some respect to de real icon dem
@@sinaolowoake8142 Seen. I went to college with many Africans in Jamaica and dancehall taught them our culture: language and all. It's a shame how JA's culture is virtually neglected by our government.
@@bundown5463 Big up mi bredda. Dancehall ah de real Culture Teacher
the historical significance of this interview cannot be understated , we are hearing from a person who actually created a music genre , this small island (JAMAICA) has created two genres of music that are now categories at the grammy awards , it is truly astounding .
Heard About this guys from a cousin of mines, also Saw King Stitt on the street once with my dad when I was a small child, he was walking by us! Love hearing the Music
All are worth waiting for, waiting for part 2 now. Great
Hello Reuben! Here's part 2: ruclips.net/video/DVRypNGJYos/видео.html&index=32&list=PLqPQjqWYYLlLzWc9pc762QCHMSOKDyaVH Enjoy!
PALM Pictures allready checked it out, really great, thank you so much for these classic interviews. Bless up
Count Machuki stated about the origins of this craft...
“I was walking late one night about a quarter to three. Somewhere in Denham Town. And I hear this guy on the radio, some American guy advertising Royal Crown Hair Dressing. ‘You see you’re drying up with this one, Johnny, try Royal Crown. When you’re downtown you’re the smartest guy in town, when you use Royal Crown and Royal Crown make you the smartest guy in town.’ That deliverance! This guy sound like a machine! A tongue-twister! I heard that in 1949. On one of them States stations that was really strong. I hear this guy sing out ‘pon the radio and I just like the sound. And I say, I think I can do better. I’d like to play some recordings and just jive talk like this guy.”
All this stuff these Jamaicans say they created were done first and inspired by African Americans..They come across like Culture vultures and history revisers.
And who u think influenced Blk Americans?
@@M0schin00 uhhh Blk Americans wtf kinda question is that?
@@maxwellbrisk5622 How blk Americans influenced blk americans? 🤣 EVERYONE gets influenced by a previous nation of ppl.
U dont just wake up and say "Look we just made up this music". Lol thats NOT how it works.
@@M0schin00 We created our own genres and were influenced by us..Jazz, Blues, Rock & Roll, Doo Wop, R&B, Pop, Disco, Rap, Soul/Funk, House and even Country derives from us...Where do you think Reggae was inspired from? lol better do your research.
He was inspired by the jive of a hair pomade advert (a hair pomade typically used by whites at that time) targeted at them
HONOR!! Original SPANGLERS.....Matches Lane...Salute! Fada BAYSEE n KING of KINGS KING Stit
Two great great legends
Count & king real pioneers of Jamaican sound systems .from Tom great Sebastian & legendary sir coxsone downbeat
Long LIVE REGGAE MUSIC.
Foundation!!
Up...
Without these two men, there wouldn't be rap music or hip hop.....Real talk🤔
Rapping is deeply embedded in african tradition. It was eventually gonna get modernized in africa or the diaspora no matter what.
Absolutely not true
That's false. Machuki was influenced by Black American DJs. We were already rapping way before the 1970s.
@@apexone5502 Lies...Maybe R&B..but def not RAP
@@M0schin00 I need to breakdown that wrong answer of yours in order to get the full gist of your erroneous beliefs.
Foundation!
👍👍Legends.
Historical marker! Needed for the record.
Hey bloke you wunt a cuppa rosie lee & a slice of cake. 💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥💣💣💣💯💯💯
Count machuki got that from black Americans
No
@@kofi5964 count machuki created toasting
@@washonmontgomery946 He did.
@@kofi5964 ah he actually said in the interview he did 😂😂
@@kas3583 Did what?
This is a marvellous interview. Is there any recording of Tom the great Sebastian?
Barry Quinnell I doubt there is. I think there are a couple pictures of him
Grassroots n Foundation POW!
They were the founder and inventors of toasting. Even hip hop took influences.
Toasting is an African American oral tradition that goes back at least to the beginning of the 20th century. Machuki literally emulated "Jive Talk" that he heard from Black American radio DJs and even copied from a Jive Talk book that he purchased. Hip Hop didn't take no damn influence from some guy who was copying what Black Americans were already doing. These sloppy lies need to END.
@TenderViddlez What was it ? Is not black music. Jamaica always had black American influences in the music but the founded an art form off it and you people get vibes from it. Acknowledge Machukie, Stitt and Kool Herc. Manners.
@@leonramsay21 Nobody in American even knows who Machukie or Stitt is... How tf can Black Americans (who create all the vibes that everyone else copies) get a "vibe" from them? It makes no sense. Toasting is a Black American ORAL TRADITION going back over a century. Toasting isn't an oral tradition in Jamaica, it was barely started by Machukie who copied it from us in the 50's. Kool Herc didn't bring any "jamaican toasting" into Hip Hop culture... he even admitted this himself and its DOCUMENTED. Why would Americans need to find inspiration when our inspiration is right here in our own culture already? Why would we be inspired by people who are copying what we're already doing? And how could we be inspired when we don't even hear Jamaican radio, or experience Jamaican culture since we're in a completely different country. None of this even makes sense. lol😂
The originators of deejay!!!!
History ..
Y'ALL EVER HEAR OF LOUIS JORDAN; BY THE WAY, THAT'S CHECKMATE!!!
Boogie woggie
I know King Stitt
Is Count Machuki still alive?
kbenn Ben He passed away in 1995
They both passed away RIEP
@@markgordon9018 thanks
No he's dead now a few years ago
sir coxsone round beat🎶
So basically this was all hip-hop just under jamaican 🇯🇲 name
Subtitle please.
No subtitles!
We can translate for you.
貴重な映像だな。誰かジャマイカ先輩方訳してくれませんか。訛りで良く聞き取れないのです。
Nice interview, but I wouldn't call Count Machuki the progenitor of rap, that would go to black american radio dj's, comedians, and poets. I never heard the first rappers mention Count Machuki as their influence, BUT they did say Pigmeat Markhams' "here come the judge", last poets,James Brown, and radio dj's as their influence.
If you listen to "here come the Judge" it is clear as day as why he is considered the first modern rapper as that song has the rhythm, and rhyme flow of early rappers. Its no coincidence that the song was released in 1968, and people started emulating that flow a few years later. The same for his song "who got the number". And you can tell they listened to radio dj's, because the early rappers had their flow as well!
Props to King Stitt, and Count Machuki, but they aren't the fathers of rapping, at least in the states. Just wanted to keep the truth of hip hop history to be told, if not, down the line none of the early fathers will get their due respect. The same should be done with Dancehall, I love both genres!
Here comes the judge(1968):
ruclips.net/video/NRS62nccwmw/видео.html
Who got the number(go to 2:23)
ruclips.net/video/O4xCBlyUV68/видео.html
I see you can't read, because the first line said exactly that, and I explained why!
You must have a heart filled with hate if you can't even see what is in front of you
No problem
RealDeal the songs that you mentioned from pigment Markham are funk and old school rhyming. but yes Jamaicans created hip-hop culture, and I'll stress the word CULTURE. Before dj Kool Herc a Jamaican, who did what Kool Herc did? Who had street parties with tower high speakers with two turn table and a microphone, rhyming and live mixing of records at that time? I have never heard of any credible dj debating that they were the first or challenge Dj Kool herc, all dj in his era said they were influenced by dj Kool Herc. Afrika bambaataa said it best, many genres rhyme in their music before rap inception including African musicians, dancehall, jazz, funk, soul, even country musicians rhymed that sounds like rap in the 50s. So your confusing rhyming exclusive only to hip hop when the truth is many other genres have been "rapping" before hip-hop.
Now lets talk about culture. Dj Kool Herc was influenced by Jamaican dancehall sound system from the early 50s and 60s. Dancehall sound systems would pack up there equipment play around different part of the city with tower speakers two turn tables and a microphone. A selector play the music and several resident DJ/ (rapper) will "rap" or sing over instrumentals, two decades before the birth of rap.
I know it bruise some people ego but Jamaicans are trend setters. not only hip-hop, Jamaicans invented and influenced many EDM genres too, just look up Dub music but that's another debate.
Rap started in jamaica not america period.know the history.
@@ajax7296 Teach Dem. Enviously I wish I could have said it as well as you did. You should publish a short paper with the same premise.