@@topolinofarm9343 is there a riding instructor handy to you? How did your horse scare you? How long have you been riding? How long have you had your horse? Age? Training? A riding instructor and a trainer can make assessments of skill levels of you both and may see an issue. Thats a good place to start.
That poor 🐎 dam that shit ain't cool..... His back has to be hurting with that big ole lady on him .... Let the 🐎 ride HER back and see 👀👀 how she feels... Wow
I really love that you do these full length videos with real people and real horses and real problems! They're so much easier to relate to. A lot of us are told how to "fix" certain problems with very broad phases, such as "ground work," but it's much better when we can actually watch horses be worked on with specific steps, tools, and adjustments. PLEASE keep doing these videos!
@@ryanrosehorsemanship This is such a great video and your advice/guidance concerning leadership and presence (I've watched ALL your videos) is dead on! While watching this, I noticed that Horse is Dead-Set on paying attention and following YOU! Natural Born Leader! Or is Natural Born Horseman? Anyways, in the U.S. Army (yes, we still have horses), we have some Charts and Field Manuals that are just Standard Operating Procedure,, even to the particular horse and they've been developed over many Centuries and one thing that I think was not addressed that I was wondering if you could answer if it is applicable is: Maybe the rider's weight is a problem? Seriously, I think judging by how easy your interaction was and even the rider's interaction was is that this is really the ONLY issue here. Am I wrong?
Actually, I'm sorry....I rewatched and think I caught the subtext you were implying about not having seen her ride him......perhaps you brought that up off video?
Felt I just had to add a thought, as watching the owner work the horse in canter on a line, you were talking to camera and totally missed seeing when the horse first broke into canter he was disunited. Same on both reins, and she really didn't seem to notice and let him carry on, which had him very unbalanced and not at all happy. He appears to strike off with the correct lead in front each time, with his hinds wrong. I find that an unridden horse will usually quickly sort itself out when this happens as it is uncomfortable, but this chap was continuing and getting more stressed. No disrespect to the owner, but with her and the saddle I could imagine this horse, being so unbalanced, getting upset and the resulting behaviour occurring. Just my thoughts, loving the videos.
I saw that too - might need a Chiropractor. Couldn't hurt to get him checked. Especially since he was so underweight - you don't know where he came from...
My first thought is that the horse is uncomfortable. Disunited and kept breaking on the incorrect lead, working on too small circle and unbalanced. I would get a chiro and physio to first work on him before going forward with the other work.
@@viviennewoollon3702 Yes! (as I said in my comment below), we're on the same page. Horse looks uncomfortable and needs to be checked - especially since he came from a rescue and was very thin when she got him, so you don't know what happened to him prior. I'd definitely have him checked by a Chiro - First!
@@KC-pw7vr totally agree - the poor horse is trying to communicate how uncomfortable he is! She will be a better rider for losing weight, harsh as it sounds. It's not fat shaming at all - its a sensible health decision for her and will be kinder for her horse. She can stay however obese she wants too, but if she chooses to do that, she should take up another hobby or buy a draught horse with more bone. This seems to be an american disease = fat riders are rarely seen in UK, and if they are, they are suitably horsed. For those that are going to start ranting on about how we shouldn't mention her weight, then she should have not made the decision to publicise it via video and you tube. I have no concerns whatsoever about how big she is, just that she chooses to inflict that weight on that poor horse.......
I am wondering if the weight of both these riders is close to equivalent although their heights are obviously different. Although you may think you are being helpful, your comment displays a bias perhaps that should be taken into consideration.
I give that woman a ton of credit for getting back on 10 times. I had a horse wreck and that was it. I eventually got a horse that was more on my level of experience.
Yes you definitely need the right horse it's all to do with levels what the rider's levels are I started rideing on a little Welsh mountain pony 30 years ago now I have a Arabian beautiful horses but I still learn things all the time no rider is a perfect rider we learn all the time
Very wise! My concern watching this vid is that this horse may be more horse than this woman is ready for... I've trained working Border Collies and their owners for over 35 years, all breeds and problem "dogs" (usually the people!), for 55 years... I've had to assist people in re-evaluating if the dog they had met their skill level and/or possessed the work type/style they needed for their farm--cattle, dairy cows, sheep, goats, fowl, etc. Hard evaluations and hard decisions...
@Sunchine4evr. Getting back on 10 times shows willpower in Kelly, for sure. She's much helped when she learns to direct that power to her own issues first.
You are kind. The owner means well and wants to learn. Confidence is a fragile thing and your way of suggesting taking lessons on a broke/ gentle horse was to the point and very tactful. I hope she gets back in the saddle and reaches her goals!
What I took from Ryans suggestions is perhaps she needs a different horse altogether. One that is not so reactive, a nice quiet less sensitive mount that is quite happy on the trail, walking and a few bursts of trotting here and there. He lookss to be a good sport horse type - with a different feed regime and more muscle, he does seem a bit podgy - for a more confident rider.
Yes, she needs the right horse. She can reach her goals on a perfect fit horse. No matter how much she loves this one, she will find success with lessons on the right one & then will know how to then move forward to fulfill her dreams. I’ve seen it many times! Wishing her the very best!
@@lmp8932 This horse needs to be started from scratch. He acts exactly like a very green horse that has never been properly started at all. And also like a horse that may have never been kept in a large pasture where it learned to move properly. As another commenter mentioned, he doesn't go into the correct lead front and back even on a line. He doesn't know the cue to stop. And he doesn't know his leads. He was not trained when she got him. And she doesn't know that. (That happens more often than most realize because people assume if they don't buck you off right away that they were started correctly.) Green horse and rider who isn't yet in shape is a bad combination. An older, quieter horse that is perhaps less attractive, but has a lot more experience, would be much better for her.
I completely agree with the trainer and you, about her taking lessons on an older horse who is broke and gentle, for the experience if nothing else it will teach her also how to connect with her beautiful palomino, I hope they can correct this problem as he looks as if he can be a wonderful horse and we all need to pray that the trainer can fix his problem. As he is too beautiful a horse to end up not learning this or should I say to stop throwing her.🙏🏾🙏🏻🙏🏿🙏🙏🏼🙏🏽🕊️
Chrisinabarnesful, you are perceptive and emotionally intelligent for making that comment. Obviously you come from the same tribe as Ryan Rose. I like you and I haven’t even met you!
Such Respect for the owner who is willing to learn and take whatever suggestions that Ryan makes. Ryan, you are a true gift to the owner, the horse and the rest of us. I sincerely hope that Kelly (owner) is able to level up and follow your suggestions. *MAJOR PROPS* to Kelly for toughing it out after being dumped so many times.
The core of all the difficulties is Kelly's issue with self-worth, hence her obesity, indulgence, and not having grown up yet. But it was great to hear her say "Maybe it's me you have to address" when Ryan asked her why she didn't ask for a saddlemaker and decided to ask him for help.
She’d enjoy the journey on a more expensive, very well broke, larger breed horse that SHE can learn on. He needs a lot of work, at best, and he has gait issues that are noticeable. Probably why he ended up as auction/rescue. Something that is seen in most injury/conformation problems, very common in inbred horses. I started out showing quarter horses, the old type that were well balanced, athletes. What has happened due to intensive inbreeding is a shame.
She'd "enjoy the ride" much more if the horse wasn't trying to tell HER that it was in pain.Seriously that woman in much too heavy to get on any animal.And the horse's breeding has nothing to do with pain tolerance.
@@millvalleymary When I say the “breed”, I’m talking about any warm blood. She can learn on a large draft, like a Clydesdale or a Percheron, while she contemplates the load. Horses were not designed to be our beasts of burden or playthings. Everything we do with them, factually breaks their bodies down. Even the lightest trail riding, and the fact that almost all of the animals for sale are babies bred for money, or horses beginning to break down, or
And for me, horses are a sanctuary from the insanity of our “civilization”. I always know and respect them, and never forget that they would never choose to be captive in our world.
Being disunited in the canter everytime is a good indicator there is something going on there and pain has to be the first thing ruled out before being able to train or figure anything out. It's a little sad to not at least see that brought up considering the amount of knowledge is being spread. Please if there is any question about a horse being unbalanced and showing clear biomechanic issues through gait analysis. Get a vet first and have everything thoroughly checked. Training through pain is dangerous for everyone. A lot of horses will bottle up to a point but everyone including stoic horses have their limits. I have nothing else to say about the ideas or training you have Ryan. You know well enough and that's clear to see.
I absolutely adore his knowledge, can only wish to be half as good as him. But I did question this horses hind end. He seemed to carry his tail off to the side, and his left hind end looked like it didn’t extend as much as it could when loping to the left. But everytime I would get a good look at it, it would be out of view. I would hope though that a full vet check would be done prior to having behavioral training.
Thank you! Always look for pain cause first. He needs a good equine chiropractor for sure. I'd also like to see a shot of him from behind his hips may be uneven. He definitely has an issue cantering to the right. He's consistently on the left lead and cross firing to the right which is really awkward, but not to the left. To me that's a good indicator more is off besides just being a little stiff or left handed.
I agree. To me, he looks sickle hocked and weak behind. Also, people forget that the whole anatomy can be weak but only shows when they start struggling when in motion, carrying a rider. It's too bad Ryan couldn't get the rider to look past the tack possible problems for solutions. I think this rider needs to learn more about position and a balanced seat riding. Probably no one's ever bothered to teach her. She appears to be willing to solve problems. She is willing to learn and is probably a good student. She needs good instruction. With no disrespect, I'm going to say that the heavier the rider, the more important her balance is. It's quite easy to throw a horse off his feet.. The rider has to be balanced and the horse needs to be strong enough to do the job.
It could also be because he doesn't find her important and he wants his buddies. A horse that hardly spends time connecting with the owner can easily get buddy sour. When he's doing his circle he's coming inwards on the far side and leaning on the line on the closer side (where the gate is) and where he keeps looking. He needs to learn a bit of respect, but she needs to know how to get it. They may be unmatched here. She wants a quiet trail horse and he may be better off as a performance horse. Every trail ride is going to be a second away from either one of them getting hurt
He might be out in the back end. Look at its tail position it's off to the left. Also the horse stumbles in the hind end, which might be an indication his out of alignment. The guy did a great job.
Indeed. The horse looks like it is out of balans in the body (and between the ears, but that will be ok with a good leadership and mental health), that's the reason it is overcrossed in the galop. Leadership and good equipement are important but first you need the body in good shape. Nice and beautful horse! Greetings from Holland!
@@samgould9930he needs a chiropractor because his owner is obese. He needs regular treatments and perhaps the chiropractor needs to explain how her weight affects his spine.
It appears to me, as the viewer, that this horse acts very different once the trainer starts to handle him. I’m always amazed to see the way animals respond to a human who has innate understanding of how to approach and lead animals, whether it be a horse , a dog, or even a child. Too many inexperienced, unknowing people decide to own animals and actually cause harm to themselves and people around that animal. Thanks much to this really talented trainer who demonstrates what is possible.
I saw the difference immediately. It made me feel sad for this horse as he seemed to need some reassurance and confidence from Ryan. With the owner, he’s completely disconnected. He tried to connect to Ryan almost immediately. Also, the weight of this woman. Does she not understand that the spine of this horse feels pain when she adds unnecessary weight and doesn’t know how to sit on his back?
Has she consulted a large animal vet? Why didn’t she call a vet? I’m plus size person and I wonder if it’s a combination of variables. Rider skill, rider weight and horse health.
I was going to say in a nice way that she may be way overweight for that horse and the could be why is bucking her off. I've wanted to ride horses for a while now and went to book a ride at a place I've trail ridden before and it says no one over 240lbs is allowed to ride their horses, they now have a weight limit. Then another barn I looked up had a weight limit of 180. I need to lose about 10-15 lbs to be able to ride again, which is for the horse' comfort so it is understandable.
She needs a baby sitter horse. She is not a leader and she needs to lose weight. She would be more adgile on a horse, have better balance. She needs a horse that will teach her how to ride. Looks like a gentle, Quarter Horse. She should never wear spurs until she learns how to use them and her feet. I would like to see how she is saddling this horse? Look at her pad, girth, saddle blanket and bit and headstall. In my opinion, she isn't physically fit enough to ride.
So glad see your comment, I was definitely wondering about her weight, and wanted to mention that without being rude… what is the maximum weight for a horse to hold on their back ???
The first thing I noticed were the stirrup were unequal, if this was her usual riding length then she must be unbalanced in the saddle which for a larger rider can cause back pain for the horse
Very good video. He was pushy with her the whole time, creeping forward into her space. She needs to be more assertive, but I really like her. She seems committed.
Great advice about the cantering - we picked up a horse and all he was conditioned to do, was going the fastest speed possible, the minute you placed a foot in the stirrup. For an entire year, all we did was walk, trot and practice standing still when getting on and off. He became one of the gentlest horses on the farm.
When I was a kid, we had several friends that had horses. I never felt confident around them. As you say, they figure that out in seconds and would exploit that lack of confidence. I got bit, bucked off, stepped on, rubbed off on trees till I gave up even attempting to get along with them. Always thought they were beautiful creatures, though.
I give her a lot of credit for asking for help and being open to advice. This video has generated some very unkind comments regarding her weight. Most of us could improve our state of health. I wish her luck with her horse and hope they can solve the problems.
Yes she is doing all the right things except the one thing that would help. Lose weight...its not about fat shaming its about being too heavy for a particular horse, which in this case she certainly is.
@@rachelr3113 Right. If she wants to stay that weight, get a bigger, sturdier horse. Its not unkind, it is reality and it would be better for horse and human.
It's a matter of math. If horse & tack adds up to more than 20% of the horse's own body then for most horses it's going to be too much load for safe function. A larger Quarter Horse like this tops out at about 1,200 lbs, which means horse + rider shouldn't be more than 240. I would estimate her closer to 300. The math says she needs a draft/cross or a tall cob breed like an Irish Cob if she's going to stay at this weight. A horse that weighs at least 1500 lbs in good condition. Nobody's saying she can't ride at this weight. Everybody's saying she probably shouldn't ride THIS horse at this weight.
What I got from this is the horse is needing a job. Seems like he needs to be more actively ridden and given more time in the saddle then just a pokey trail horse. He has potential for something bigger. Some horse do better when they are being worked consistently and perhaps he is not getting that now.
He is a beautiful palameno i think something like barrel racing all some sort of stock work on a farm or something he would go fantastic my Cobb pony was like him then I started barrel racing and he loved it racing around the barrel's he was good at it to
Yes, he's probably bored, all animals like a job, to varying degrees. There would be a more suitable laid back horse for her that just wanted no more than to plod around and be happy doing it.
@@cowgirl.4363 yes this one looks like his full of Life definitely needs a experience rider the best horse I've ever owned was a Welsh Cobb I've found all palameno horses like this one to be very high sprited my cousin had a palameno named Mister Ed he was beautiful but not a horse for a nervous rider but he youse to love doing barrel racing
Kudos to the owner here. I feel ya, hun. My OTTB has scared me a couple times and broken my confidence with her. Working on getting that back is like climbing a cliff with no safety ropes. You got this!
Don't encourage her she's too big for that horse and lacks confidence and SKILL AND EXPERIENCE, additionally she bought a 6 year old!? Too young for her meager abilities, you need to get assistance now for yourself before your horse runs roughshod over you.....I've been a horse woman for 60 years to the day tomorrow, learn from the knowledge of others and get things professional sorted out for you and your horse before one of you is badly injured, I've rode injured race track thoroughbreds that are rehabilitating from injuries for a friend because I weigh 116 pounds and am extremely experienced as a rider, however I'd never ridden a horse right off the track and definitely needed guidance and instruction before I mounted and began, what's your experience with ott horses? What do you plan to use this horse for? How much and what type of groundwork are you doing and how often? Hopefully you do the ground work before you ride, how many race horses have you retrained to become a saddle horse? You be careful, that horse will stomp you into the dirt if you don't know what you're doing and don't do right by this horse😢
@@bethewalt7385I agree this horse and rider are a bad combination. Watching them together made me cringe. That said, I purchased a 4 year old thoroughbred (OTTB) named Hawaiian Diablo, Bold Ruler lines, very dominant and pushy with me as an amateur rider who didn’t know what I was doing. I went through hell the first year- bucked off several times, etc. Did the saddle changes (wasted $$$$), went to a few clowns who said they were trainers, went to the natural horsemanship courses and spent more money- finally put my horse into training with a neighboring ranchers training facility. He was a cutting horse trainer. First thing he discovered was my horse (I called him Harley) had a lot of cow in him. We did turnback and then cutting. I began learning how to ride by taking lessons from him and riding for him for 8 to 10 hours a day. I also started working for an equine veterinarian and learned as much as I could from him. 20 years later, I still think that thoroughbred horse was the best thing that ever happened to me. By the time he died, we had done cutting shows together, Buck Brannaman clinics and tons of trail riding adventures. We had done everything I had dreamed about. So sometimes green riders can train a young OTTB to become a saddle horse if they have the heart to hang in there. But there were a lot of times I was told to get rid of him and get an easier horse. I ignored the naysayers. I also did all of that while I was going through RN school. I do think, however that this particular woman is not likely to have the same success with this horse. Her physical condition (obesity) speaks volumes about her inability to overcome large problems in her life and if she can’t overcome her physical problems, she won’t be able to give this horse what he needs and deserves.
Your videos are simply the best! When I know someone is having behavioral issues with their horse I give them your name every time. Thank you for generously sharing your knowledge!
This woman and this horse are not right for each other. I hope she gets him vetted (for the gait issues), and if he is sound that she either loses some weight or finds him a more appropriate rider. She seems like a lovely lady, but she is simply too large for that horse as she is right now.
Broadening her horizons at what cost? She's inexperienced, lacks confidence and just really doesn't yet understand horses from a behavior, horse psychological point of view, this horse knows her fear and I think she's too big/heavy for this horse, I'm not being mean, I'm being observationally factual, a rider such as herself needs an easy, bombproof horse to build her confidence, work on her skill set, her seat her hands, everything, then she can move onto more of a challenge, I've been a horse woman for 60 years this year, tomorrow actually to the day, I've spent decades of summers training bad habits and behaviors out of horses whose owners screwed them up because the horse was too much for them, too young, too hot, too green, whatever because often times the parents bought the wrong horse for their spoiled child, she needs to get down to basics, keep going to lessons, leasing a horse would probably be better and there are bigger horses for bigger riders, percheron/friesan belgian/appaloosa, Clydesdale/ gypsy vanner, plus she bought a 6 year old! Outrageous and ill advised, she's got alot to learn but not at the expense of the WRONG HORSE, poor palomino, pretty horse, wrong owner in my opinion
@@mynamename5172absolutely and Ryan needs to tell her that, I think she weighs more than he does, there are bigger horses for bigger riders, something half draft 17 hands and stout, I'm petite but I love big, tall horses, additionally she needs years of experience and skill building, leasing would be a good option for her, she'll probably go out and buy a 4 year old Arabian after this and wonder what the problem is then😂😂
We in Sweden says it depends on the Shit IN The saddle. Get a old tired horse if you arent experienced. Dont weigh just The Horses feed. Get in shape together.
I'm a horse shoer and watching this horse go he does not want to pick up that right lead I would check him for a navicular problem on that right front just my opinion
Eh.. that or he needs chiro work on his shoulders especially if he was being ridden in narrower tree than he needed. The only horse I've had with navicular also had a head bob... he didn't seem to have that at least. Granted we also don't know if she's got him shod at all
Great video! I really like Kelly, she’s refreshingly humble and willing to learn. And thank you Ryan, you’re a great teacher. The way you break down your evaluation and explain your thought process is so helpful.
Leading isn't the same as being bossy or controlling. Herd animals like horses naturally look for a leader, someone who calls the shots, and if you don't appoint one... they will. It's not out of malice or anything, it's just the way their social groups are structured, and it makes more sense to adhere to their structures than to expect them to adhere to ours.
Ryans is SOOO patient and gentle with owners! What remarkable restraint!! Good gravy, I don’t think I could be so gracious. Coddling and making excuses (bad saddle?? neoprene vs fleece saddle pad? Really??) just gave her horse license to problem behavior. Glad the lady wasn’t seriously hurt, though cracked tailbone is no fun. Ryan may save her life!
In listening to Ryan's advice, and based on what was told of the owner's experiences, my takeaway is that the horse may be more than she needs; that a mellower horse would be suitable for her use. If I were the owner, I'd be looking for more leadership lessons and that different horse, at least for a while. JMHO
A draft horse would be good for trails. Drafts are very forgiving. My Belgian did great on trails. Required very little training. Maybe they should try riding without a bit. Seemed to me the horse was fighting it. I would try Bosal.
Ryan, you continue to be my favorite trainer to watch. As other posters have said, you use real people AND real horses where they are at. You provide an amazing amount of information without being 'too chatty' and going off topic. Additionallly, I too have a horse that can be spooky. Cannot figure out the whys. But I'm learning more about reading his mood (he's an anxious type). I have been told numerous times that I need to be the leader, but this advice rarely comes with specifics. We're are learning together, thanks in part to your videos....Thank you!
He's swapping his back lead at the canter and not self-correcting quickly. First thing I noticed. If your horse can't canter correctly on a lead rope, they have no chance at all under saddle.
Thanks for posting this video, as it addresses some issues I am having with a recently acquired mare. She is four years old and flighty, extremely sensitive, and previously owned by an inexperienced person so I have a lot of work to do. The remark you made about commotion in the feet resonated with me, as it seems to correspond with commotion in the brain. Thanks for the tips, it’s been awhile since I have worked with such a tender horse and this video is helpful.
May I ask why he is wearing what looks like shipping boots? I know they protect the legs but look rather loose. He said it is 90 degrees and the horse is sweating so is probably creating heat on his legs. Just an observation.
Ryan I honestly don’t know how you put up with the absolute crap in the comments. I have watched numerous videos of yours and absolutely everyone out there is an expert on training, tack, weight, lameness, chiropractic , dental care ad nauseam. I don’t know why people of such brilliance bother watching since they know everything! I really enjoy your work!
I feel you! The amount of times a horse in Ryan’s videos is distance diagnosed as ‘misaligned‘ and needs a chiropractor is nuts. These quacks and their RUclips videos really brainwashed people. There’s no such thing as misalignment that can be fixed with cracking. It’s complete pseudoscience. And Ryan constantly states that these horses were always first checked by vets and also his wife who is an equine physical therapist before he even starts recording any video. Ugh.
I hope you keep working with Ryan! You are a wonderful lady and the horse looks like he’d be a great partner once you learn what he needs. I really hope you can be there for each other. Great team once you get him to a safe place but your safety comes first. Ryan has the experience to help you both. Good luck to you.
If the horse has a physical problem that is exacerbated by the weight of a rider on his back, he would naturally associate the rider with the pain and try to dislodge that person. I don't know if that's the case here but I guess it's possible.
36:00 my dog all the way crossed the room started lightly woofing when you started talking about telling dogs "no" . I can't tell if she is agreeing or getting offended.
I love your instruction videos Ryan. I don't have horses anymore but did for about 20 years...really miss them. I loved bush riding, clinics & a bit of local barrel racing. Thanks so much for taking me back to what I've been missing. Just one thing. Could you put a mic on your clients...would love to hear their responses to your advice. "Cheers" Ryan!
I am shocked by the amount of weight americans expect horses to carry. I am below 60 kgs and this would be the size of horse I would ride. I always find it upsetting to see small horses, sometimes even ponies with grown men on them. There must come a point where it either breaks their spirit or destroys their back.
Great video story. Loved this little guy who looks like he’s still learning a bit about taking responsibility for picking up his feet and thinking about collected motion that will keep him balanced. Did it feel that way riding? Just wondered how much his stumbles and sideways movements were playing a part in his confidence? Could his lack of concentration, especially if his owner was perhaps a bit unbalanced or tight herself be one of the things that got him a bit worried? Wishing all good things for this partnership. She seems a lovely lady, with a beautiful horse and a willingness to learn and develop.
Horses do a lot of tripping and stumbling when they are actively resisting pressure. Their focus is on protecting their face, resisting against the pressure because they don't know or trust there will be a release, so they aren't paying attention to their feet, and it's also causing their body to move in a way that doesn't lend itself well to good mechanics. So yes, if your horse is tripping, they aren't soft enough to pressure, which in turn means they don't fully see you as a leader, and are therefore typically more spooky and more in the mindset of needing to fend for themselves.
I trained my arabian stallion from the time he was a 6 year old who had never been successfully haltered. He is very well behaved and rides anywhere tackless. One of the few things he will lose his mind over is steady pressure on his lead. A friend thought it would be helpful if she helped hold him for the farrier because I had injured my upper back. I allowed the unneeded help assuming someone who gave lessons knew what she was doing. She wouldn't give release although I kept telling her to loosen her lead. He naturally misbehaved pretty badly while getting his feet trimmed which is something he would never normally do. I had to stop the farrier for a few minutes while I explained to her that I needed to be able to give him release so I asked her to remove her lead although I didn't want to hurt her feelings. My horse settled right down and quietly cooperated with the farrier.
With all due respect, your horse should weigh 3 times more than their rider. This horse appears to be about 16 hands and probably weighs about 1300 lbs, higher end of his breed. She is very large. I am really big on big heavy riders ride draft crosses or drafts. The stockier work horses are more appropriate for her size. Maybe he is hurting Tripping during loping and trotting could be him having trouble with the weight on his joints, back and his legs.
I don't think he really cares that shes too heavy for this horse that's why he doesnt bring it up or care that hes agreeing to even post this video. He doesn't care about the harm done to horse by putting way too much weight on him. Its obvious!
Ok, so it is not just me. She is a large woman and can you imagine what that amount of weight on the horse's back is like? Indeed. That horse needs an outlet besides just an occasional excruciating ride.
Agreed. She’s likely 300#, I’d say. If the horse is 1300#, that’s well within tolerances, weight wise (@ 3x the rider). However, a draft/draft cross would be better to carry her at her current weight, for sure. If he does have some problems, her weight will only create/exacerbate pain issues for him every time she rides him, leading to being thrown repeatedly. As a formerly fat person (63# pounds lost), I understand she likely knows very well that she needs to lose weight, and I feel bad saying it…but yes, she should lose the weight for her horse, if not for her own sake.
Did we ever talk about saddle fit and especially saddle fit with someone who is very heavy like the owner? For if the saddle is already a tight fit, then ad the weight of a clearly overweight rider this can cause pain henceforth bucking off the rider. Uncomfortable topic but it should be addressed. No disrespect intended at all.
Your approach is logical and kind. Kudos to you for your common sense and showing how patience, understanding and connection are key to partnering with our equine friends.
Thank you for this video! It has so many excellent take always for training and how to work consistently with your horse. Ryan you explain techniques and ideas well with plenty of different examples to help people better understand what you are communicating.
really great video, would love to see more like this. horses really need to be confident in their riders - there is so much at stake when we ride them. we need to be able to trust their confidence in us. thanks for all the great advice!
I loved watching your video because you are a clear thinker and communicate in an organized and logical way so it's easy to understand what you are saying. Having ridden all my life, I learned something today after watching your video. Thank you!
I love that you don’t need to ask people to subscribe like some of the others do which is every two seconds. I really like your style. You are exceptionally connected to your people’s are connecting with them on a level that non of the here do. For yo not to be in the middle of a ring demonstrating your superior horsemanship. Really really happy to find you in the pipeline. I am subscribed! 🤗🤗🤗🤗
This horse seems like he’s probably having to do the work balancing for both of them. The difference between his mess of a canter on the lunge and with the trainer on was night and day. It’s like Dakota suddenly remembered where his feet were meant to go. Because he could focus on just his body. If she will get more conditioned for riding and be able to maintain her own balance, that will help her horse a ton.
@@elenasweden9184 It’s we’ll know that people that make negative comments about others’ appearance usually have a very low self esteem themselves. Could it be that you’re overweight or have some other physical trait you’re unhappy about yourself? Rhetorical question, so no need to answer. Just food for thought.
@@albertledesma5173 newsflash: thats not a rhetorical question. That's you feeling good when you try to make other people feel bad. You feel good when youre mean. Sad. It doesnt fit me tho. So you lose.
@@albertledesma5173 This lady looks too heavy for this horse. I think she is a really lovely person from what I see here, but ignoring her size relative to her horse makes zero sense. It is part of the problem. Of course the guy making the video won't say it on camera, but he does kindly suggest a different horse for her. I agree with that.
I have been reading all these comments about this woman's weight. So the average healthy low weight for a man 5' 11" is about 180 lbs. The average weight for a quarter horse is around 1000 lbs. Add a leather western saddle 45lb. If you go by the 20% of the horses body weight. No adult male should be riding a quarter horse.
What's your opinion on horses that it seems are bred with a different genre of riding in mind? There's definitely some overlap but that horse doesn't appear that it was bred with the intention of trail riding. That horse is probably bored, around here we'd say he's "too much horse for her". Interested in your opinion on that.
He does look like a lot of horse high sprited beautiful palameno i think he would make a fantastic barrel racing horse in my 30 years of rideing I've never owned a palameno my cousin owned a palameno and same thing with her's she could not handle the horse he was to high sprited for her I rode him a few Times and he would jump at his own shadow
I’m really impressed with this video. I like you really listened to the rider, and I love the way you worked with her horse. I learned a lot from this video.
I agree with a comment below. This horse doesn't know how to canter properly, he cross-fires, -he canters in one lead in front and the other lead in back. Horrible habit. I have a horse who had that problem. He didn't know how to canter properly and when I initially got him I didn't know that was his problem. He started to run away at the canter because he was afraid, being unbalanced made him fearful. So I lunged him at the canter and made him stop when he cross-fired and we practiced canter-trot-canter on the lunge line. When I rode him I would just ride him at the canter for a few steps in the beginning and gradually would canter him a little longer, always stopping him when he cross-fired and adjusting him. Gradually he got more confident in cantering properly with the same lead front and back and I could stop lunging him every day and just rode him and cantered him gradually longer and longer. Now he can even do nice cadenced counter canter work. Seriously I used to think all horses were born knowing how to canter, but some aren't. Wierd..huh? (Mine is half-draft, which sort of explains his issue. He never had to do much cantering in his life... when he was loose, cantering was his "whoo hoo gallop time" and he never paid attention to his feet.) Teach this horse to canter properly and he won't be worried and scared to canter. He doesn't need flag work.... this is silly, you didn't even watch him cross-firing on the lunge line. I have seen other people who I thought were knowledgeable horse people ignoring it too with their horses... watch their effing feet, for heaven's sake!!! Cross-firing makes them unbalanced and uncomfortable. It's horrible to ride on too... like riding a freaking blender. It made me get a new saddle too.... for me, not him! (deep seated dressage saddle tho! - the most secure seated saddle I've ever ridden in - Custom Saddlery saddle) It took my horse about 6 months to get confident at the canter with the specialized work.
I owned a ex pacer and trying to get him from a trot to a Canter was so hard hard to teach him being a ex pacer all he ever wanted to do was trot LoL but my Arabian he would rather canter then trot I used to ride the pacer First then I would jump on the Arabian I must say it's always a adventure
Love the explanations, Ryan! Really great video. That horse looks stout enough for her to me! She seems to bring a lot of nervous energy (and after being her horse being so disrespectful to her, no wonder!) I don’t blame her a bit for feeling that way. This horse also seems to have a lot of pent up energy. Sometimes that doesn’t go away no matter how much ground work or training is put into them. That makes me feel like they’re mismatched. She bought him at age six at an auction. I wonder if she knew any of his background in training when she bought him. Did she get professional help when she bought him? She obviously is at a beginner level. I say this with all kindness, I just don’t think they click. Her horse would probably be better off being a ranch or barrel horse and have consistent daily work . It seems she wants a weekly or bi-weekly trail horse. Those are two different jobs. If she insists on keeping this one, she needs to put him with a trainer for a few months and have an instructor give her weekly lessons on this horse. I also think she needs to do ground work with him before every ride and in between rides. He definitely needs help on that right lead and she probably doesn’t know it or doesn’t know how. I give her a ton of credit for sticking with this. Most would have given up after the first incident. I had a farrier/trainer come out to show a horse I had owned for about eight months and it wasn’t goi no well. He looked at me and said “Do you really like this horse because y’all don’t seem to click.” He was right. We didn’t click and I wasn’t good enough to fix his problems. That gelding ended up at a barn where he could be used which matched his need. I got a different horse that matched me so much better. I took my time looking and passed on several horses. I had my trainer help me look for months and we would both test them out. I still take lessons and I put three to four days a week on my horse and try to expose him to different situations, but no way could I have done that without getting years of lessons and professional help. Thank you for the video. Very enjoyable to watch and very helpful.
At the end you mentioned the reason: rider skills... There the questions are. But horse itself is not balanced under rider at any gate. So, horse needs to be riden more often and the best is if by owner. They both then will get needed skills :)
I appreciate the leadership and guidance that you demonstrated in addressing what seemed to be a lil bit of a hot-spot/soft-spot issue for them to help them
Ryan, another great video! I noticed the horse has a blue right eye early in the video and wondered if that could be a part of the issue of the horse wanting to spook sideways. I know that people with "light" eyes can often suffer from vision problems relating to light, glare, etc. I'm not certain, but I imagine this is probably similar for horses. It was striking to me when you mentioned the horse was more comfortable on it's right side when you did the hind-leg rope pressure test. I thought, "Ah HAH!" lol. Your insight and logical techniques are impressive and great to learn from.
He does look unbalanced in his rear end. He is pretty, but I think he has issues that are going to take the fun out it for. Also, his tail tends to move to the left most of the time. Back issues?
This is so helpful. My horse seems similar to him in personality and that he gets a little nervous on occasion. Thankfully he and I have an awesome relationship as far as leader/follower and I have seen his confidence grow like crazy in the last year that I've been working with him. I'm hoping that once I start riding him he will realize that he can trust me as a leader there too
@@ryanrosehorsemanship one question for you, do you have a good place to purchase a flag? I've been trying to find one for a few years but all the ones I come across seem very flimsy.
We could be looking at a "heavy load" situation here with the owner on this horse. The horse looks very hefty, but the owner looks even heftier. This can be an issue sometimes.
I agree. Between her weight and the tack, I'll bet it is over the 20% rule. Personally, at my present weight, I love horses too much to ride. Of course, it would be a bit awkward for Ryan to point this out to the owner .
My thoughts exactly, maybe Ryan knew as well too but didn't want to say anything. I think though maybe he tried to get Kelley to say it by saying what he did but she wouldn't. The horse was maybe trying to tell Kelley to get off you're hurting me, I may be wrong.
I LOVE that you talk about training the horse for the person. I need mine to canter off easily and roll back etc etc but some of my clients don’t need one reactive like that. Thank you! That has been my philosophy and I’ve seen so many trainers train the horse on their level instead of working with the horse appropriately for his/her rider. ❤️🙏🏼
I'm glad you were successful with this horse. Question - he has a disjointed canter (opposite leads front and back) on the ground with no saddle and no pressure. She also says he has started bucking on the ground. Wouldn't you have him checked by a Chiropractor even before the saddle fitter?
Just found your channel and am really enjoying your video's. I have owned a Tennessee Walker for 20 yrs and I have always believed that there is only one boss in our relationship and that boss is me!!
Great session, Its eerie how similar this horse and rider duo are to a client of mine from 2019. I would try to discuss the weight issue, advocate for the horse, it's not personal. We want to make sure that the rider's weight is not going to be harmful for the horse's short & long-term health but rather, be beneficial. The horse doesn't seem bucky here - but maybe it comes later. I did notice he seemed to counter canter a lot in the tighter circles, I think they quickly realize counter-cantering helps them comfortably counter a heavier riders weight in circles/corners, and end up building muscle-memory to support it. He looked focused and engaged under saddle, especially once you got his barrel up and hind legs pushing. Anyway, great video & I agree with so much of what you said in here.
I broke my tailbone falling from my horse too. We were riding through a field, and he scooted to the side because a rabbit startled him, and down I went. That was my transition year into high school, and I had to carry around an inflatable donut to sit on the whole freshman year as a 14 year old. I'm 60 now, and I still have problems if I sit too long or on a hard chair.
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@@topolinofarm9343 is there a riding instructor handy to you?
How did your horse scare you? How long have you been riding? How long have you had your horse? Age? Training?
A riding instructor and a trainer can make assessments of skill levels of you both and may see an issue.
Thats a good place to start.
Why is it acceptable to move your feet when lunging..
That poor 🐎 dam that shit ain't cool..... His back has to be hurting with that big ole lady on him .... Let the 🐎 ride HER back and see 👀👀 how she feels... Wow
@@josecruz2701 really? She is not too big for that horse. Size is not the issue here. Balance is.
@@josecruz2701 you know alittle kindness she’s a ball it has to distrubited at the knees calves ankles and balls of feet.
I really love that you do these full length videos with real people and real horses and real problems! They're so much easier to relate to. A lot of us are told how to "fix" certain problems with very broad phases, such as "ground work," but it's much better when we can actually watch horses be worked on with specific steps, tools, and adjustments. PLEASE keep doing these videos!
Thanks!
I love everything you said here!
@@ryanrosehorsemanship This is such a great video and your advice/guidance concerning leadership and presence (I've watched ALL your videos) is dead on!
While watching this, I noticed that Horse is Dead-Set on paying attention and following YOU! Natural Born Leader!
Or is Natural Born Horseman?
Anyways, in the U.S. Army (yes, we still have horses), we have some Charts and Field Manuals that are just Standard Operating Procedure,, even to the particular horse and they've been developed over many Centuries and one thing that I think was not addressed that I was wondering if you could answer if it is applicable is: Maybe the rider's weight is a problem? Seriously, I think judging by how easy your interaction was and even the rider's interaction was is that this is really the ONLY issue here.
Am I wrong?
Actually, I'm sorry....I rewatched and think I caught the subtext you were implying about not having seen her ride him......perhaps you brought that up off video?
@Ryan- how do problem horses get on your channel?
Felt I just had to add a thought, as watching the owner work the horse in canter on a line, you were talking to camera and totally missed seeing when the horse first broke into canter he was disunited. Same on both reins, and she really didn't seem to notice and let him carry on, which had him very unbalanced and not at all happy. He appears to strike off with the correct lead in front each time, with his hinds wrong. I find that an unridden horse will usually quickly sort itself out when this happens as it is uncomfortable, but this chap was continuing and getting more stressed. No disrespect to the owner, but with her and the saddle I could imagine this horse, being so unbalanced, getting upset and the resulting behaviour occurring. Just my thoughts, loving the videos.
I saw that too - might need a Chiropractor. Couldn't hurt to get him checked. Especially since he was so underweight - you don't know where he came from...
My first thought is that the horse is uncomfortable. Disunited and kept breaking on the incorrect lead, working on too small circle and unbalanced. I would get a chiro and physio to first work on him before going forward with the other work.
@@viviennewoollon3702 Yes! (as I said in my comment below), we're on the same page. Horse looks uncomfortable and needs to be checked - especially since he came from a rescue and was very thin when she got him, so you don't know what happened to him prior. I'd definitely have him checked by a Chiro - First!
@@KC-pw7vr totally agree - the poor horse is trying to communicate how uncomfortable he is! She will be a better rider for losing weight, harsh as it sounds. It's not fat shaming at all - its a sensible health decision for her and will be kinder for her horse. She can stay however obese she wants too, but if she chooses to do that, she should take up another hobby or buy a draught horse with more bone. This seems to be an american disease = fat riders are rarely seen in UK, and if they are, they are suitably horsed. For those that are going to start ranting on about how we shouldn't mention her weight, then she should have not made the decision to publicise it via video and you tube. I have no concerns whatsoever about how big she is, just that she chooses to inflict that weight on that poor horse.......
I am wondering if the weight of both these riders is close to equivalent although their heights are obviously different. Although you may think you are being helpful, your comment displays a bias perhaps that should be taken into consideration.
I give that woman a ton of credit for getting back on 10 times. I had a horse wreck and that was it. I eventually got a horse that was more on my level of experience.
Yes you definitely need the right horse it's all to do with levels what the rider's levels are I started rideing on a little Welsh mountain pony 30 years ago now I have a Arabian beautiful horses but I still learn things all the time no rider is a perfect rider we learn all the time
She needs to go back to basics
Same here. Love horses, but one and done for me!
Very wise! My concern watching this vid is that this horse may be more horse than this woman is ready for... I've trained working Border Collies and their owners for over 35 years, all breeds and problem "dogs" (usually the people!), for 55 years... I've had to assist people in re-evaluating if the dog they had met their skill level and/or possessed the work type/style they needed for their farm--cattle, dairy cows, sheep, goats, fowl, etc. Hard evaluations and hard decisions...
@Sunchine4evr. Getting back on 10 times shows willpower in Kelly, for sure. She's much helped when she learns to direct that power to her own issues first.
You are kind. The owner means well and wants to learn. Confidence is a fragile thing and your way of suggesting taking lessons on a broke/ gentle horse was to the point and very tactful. I hope she gets back in the saddle and reaches her goals!
What I took from Ryans suggestions is perhaps she needs a different horse altogether. One that is not so reactive, a nice quiet less sensitive mount that is quite happy on the trail, walking and a few bursts of trotting here and there. He lookss to be a good sport horse type - with a different feed regime and more muscle, he does seem a bit podgy - for a more confident rider.
Yes, she needs the right horse. She can reach her goals on a perfect fit horse. No matter how much she loves this one, she will find success with lessons on the right one & then will know how to then move forward to fulfill her dreams. I’ve seen it many times! Wishing her the very best!
@@lmp8932 This horse needs to be started from scratch. He acts exactly like a very green horse that has never been properly started at all. And also like a horse that may have never been kept in a large pasture where it learned to move properly. As another commenter mentioned, he doesn't go into the correct lead front and back even on a line.
He doesn't know the cue to stop. And he doesn't know his leads. He was not trained when she got him. And she doesn't know that. (That happens more often than most realize because people assume if they don't buck you off right away that they were started correctly.)
Green horse and rider who isn't yet in shape is a bad combination. An older, quieter horse that is perhaps less attractive, but has a lot more experience, would be much better for her.
I completely agree with the trainer and you, about her taking lessons on an older horse who is broke and gentle, for the experience if nothing else it will teach her also how to connect with her beautiful palomino, I hope they can correct this problem as he looks as if he can be a wonderful horse and we all need to pray that the trainer can fix his problem. As he is too beautiful a horse to end up not learning this or should I say to stop throwing her.🙏🏾🙏🏻🙏🏿🙏🙏🏼🙏🏽🕊️
Chrisinabarnesful, you are perceptive and emotionally intelligent for making that comment. Obviously you come from the same tribe as Ryan Rose. I like you and I haven’t even met you!
I've said many times most horses don't need to go to a trainer, but most riders do. I like the idea of her getting lessons on a calmer horse.
Herd and pack animals always have a leader. Without one they’ll usually get either very bossy, very insecure or sometimes both!
Exactly, Kim gets it.
Such Respect for the owner who is willing to learn and take whatever suggestions that Ryan makes. Ryan, you are a true gift to the owner, the horse and the rest of us. I sincerely hope that Kelly (owner) is able to level up and follow your suggestions. *MAJOR PROPS* to Kelly for toughing it out after being dumped so many times.
The core of all the difficulties is Kelly's issue with self-worth, hence her obesity, indulgence, and not having grown up yet. But it was great to hear her say "Maybe it's me you have to address" when Ryan asked her why she didn't ask for a saddlemaker and decided to ask him for help.
Kelly is too fat to ride. Lose the pounds. Do NOT expect a horse to haul a person’s girth around. START WALKING!
@@devonseamoor amazing you figured out all her personal issues from just this short video. Where do you practice psychology? Sarcasm by the way
It's amazing to me how many people feel entitled to make all sorts of negative judgements about her simply from how she looks.
Continually disunited generally means that something needs to be looked at, chiro work or vet. Pity this wasn't mentioned and if in pain, he will buck
My first thoughts too!
She is probably too heavy for him or he was ridden too young and with a heavy rider and this has made him tender in the back
She’d enjoy the journey on a more expensive, very well broke, larger breed horse that SHE can learn on. He needs a lot of work, at best, and he has gait issues that are noticeable. Probably why he ended up as auction/rescue. Something that is seen in most injury/conformation problems, very common in inbred horses. I started out showing quarter horses, the old type that were well balanced, athletes. What has happened due to intensive inbreeding is a shame.
Another horse doesn't need to be "more expensive," lmao.
@@ponygirlusa I think they just mean more training and more training costs, right?
She'd "enjoy the ride" much more if the horse wasn't trying to tell HER that it was in pain.Seriously that woman in much too heavy to get on any animal.And the horse's breeding has nothing to do with pain tolerance.
@@millvalleymary When I say the “breed”, I’m talking about any warm blood. She can learn on a large draft, like a Clydesdale or a Percheron, while she contemplates the load. Horses were not designed to be our beasts of burden or playthings. Everything we do with them, factually breaks their bodies down. Even the lightest trail riding, and the fact that almost all of the animals for sale are babies bred for money, or horses beginning to break down, or
And for me, horses are a sanctuary from the insanity of our “civilization”.
I always know and respect them, and never forget that they would never choose to be captive in our world.
Being disunited in the canter everytime is a good indicator there is something going on there and pain has to be the first thing ruled out before being able to train or figure anything out. It's a little sad to not at least see that brought up considering the amount of knowledge is being spread. Please if there is any question about a horse being unbalanced and showing clear biomechanic issues through gait analysis. Get a vet first and have everything thoroughly checked. Training through pain is dangerous for everyone. A lot of horses will bottle up to a point but everyone including stoic horses have their limits.
I have nothing else to say about the ideas or training you have Ryan. You know well enough and that's clear to see.
I absolutely adore his knowledge, can only wish to be half as good as him. But I did question this horses hind end. He seemed to carry his tail off to the side, and his left hind end looked like it didn’t extend as much as it could when loping to the left. But everytime I would get a good look at it, it would be out of view. I would hope though that a full vet check would be done prior to having behavioral training.
Thank you! Always look for pain cause first. He needs a good equine chiropractor for sure. I'd also like to see a shot of him from behind his hips may be uneven. He definitely has an issue cantering to the right. He's consistently on the left lead and cross firing to the right which is really awkward, but not to the left. To me that's a good indicator more is off besides just being a little stiff or left handed.
I agree. To me, he looks sickle hocked and weak behind. Also, people forget that the whole anatomy can be weak but only shows when they start struggling when in motion, carrying a rider.
It's too bad Ryan couldn't get the rider to look past the tack possible problems for solutions.
I think this rider needs to learn more about position and a balanced seat riding. Probably no one's ever bothered to teach her. She appears to be willing to solve problems. She is willing to learn and is probably a good student. She needs good instruction.
With no disrespect, I'm going to say that the heavier the rider, the more important her balance is. It's quite easy to throw a horse off his feet..
The rider has to be balanced and the horse needs to be strong enough to do the job.
It could also be because he doesn't find her important and he wants his buddies. A horse that hardly spends time connecting with the owner can easily get buddy sour. When he's doing his circle he's coming inwards on the far side and leaning on the line on the closer side (where the gate is) and where he keeps looking. He needs to learn a bit of respect, but she needs to know how to get it.
They may be unmatched here. She wants a quiet trail horse and he may be better off as a performance horse. Every trail ride is going to be a second away from either one of them getting hurt
It needs round pen work and suppliing
He might be out in the back end. Look at its tail position it's off to the left. Also the horse stumbles in the hind end, which might be an indication his out of alignment. The guy did a great job.
I agree...seeing same thing...hmmm...sweet video.
Indeed.
The horse looks like it is out of balans in the body (and between the ears, but that will be ok with a good leadership and mental health), that's the reason it is overcrossed in the galop.
Leadership and good equipement are important but first you need the body in good shape.
Nice and beautful horse!
Greetings from Holland!
Yes definitely needs to see a chiropractor or similar, will only bend left
@@samgould9930he needs a chiropractor because his owner is obese. He needs regular treatments and perhaps the chiropractor needs to explain how her weight affects his spine.
Am I dreaming? A 48 minute Ryan rose video in the middle of the week? 🤤
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It appears to me, as the viewer, that this horse acts very different once the trainer starts to handle him. I’m always amazed to see the way animals respond to a human who has innate understanding of how to approach and lead animals, whether it be a horse , a dog, or even a child. Too many inexperienced, unknowing people decide to own animals and actually cause harm to themselves and people around that animal. Thanks much to this really talented trainer who demonstrates what is possible.
I saw the difference immediately. It made me feel sad for this horse as he seemed to need some reassurance and confidence from Ryan. With the owner, he’s completely disconnected. He tried to connect to Ryan almost immediately.
Also, the weight of this woman. Does she not understand that the spine of this horse feels pain when she adds unnecessary weight and doesn’t know how to sit on his back?
Has she consulted a large animal vet? Why didn’t she call a vet? I’m plus size person and I wonder if it’s a combination of variables. Rider skill, rider weight and horse health.
I was going to say in a nice way that she may be way overweight for that horse and the could be why is bucking her off. I've wanted to ride horses for a while now and went to book a ride at a place I've trail ridden before and it says no one over 240lbs is allowed to ride their horses, they now have a weight limit. Then another barn I looked up had a weight limit of 180. I need to lose about 10-15 lbs to be able to ride again, which is for the horse' comfort so it is understandable.
@9:34- horse almost totally ignored her. Lack of leadership and respect is an understatement
She needs a baby sitter horse. She is not a leader and she needs to lose weight. She would be more adgile on a horse, have better balance. She needs a horse that will teach her how to ride. Looks like a gentle, Quarter Horse. She should never wear spurs until she learns how to use them and her feet. I would like to see how she is saddling this horse? Look at her pad, girth, saddle blanket and bit and headstall. In my opinion, she isn't physically fit enough to ride.
So glad see your comment, I was definitely wondering about her weight, and wanted to mention that without being rude… what is the maximum weight for a horse to hold on their back ???
@@mirellawentz4688 20% of their weight (with tack)...let's just say he's 1200...so thats 240....She is WAAAAY over that...poor horse....
She needs a draft
Lol yall would be really shocked by how many people are a bit thick and ride, she is not unique at all in that
The first thing I noticed were the stirrup were unequal, if this was her usual riding length then she must be unbalanced in the saddle which for a larger rider can cause back pain for the horse
Very good video. He was pushy with her the whole time, creeping forward into her space. She needs to be more assertive, but I really like her. She seems committed.
Great advice about the cantering - we picked up a horse and all he was conditioned to do, was going the fastest speed possible, the minute you placed a foot in the stirrup. For an entire year, all we did was walk, trot and practice standing still when getting on and off. He became one of the gentlest horses on the farm.
When I was a kid, we had several friends that had horses. I never felt confident around them. As you say, they figure that out in seconds and would exploit that lack of confidence. I got bit, bucked off, stepped on, rubbed off on trees till I gave up even attempting to get along with them. Always thought they were beautiful creatures, though.
I know it's an old video but it's never too late to say: what a beautiful horse!!!!
Loved the Border Collie vs Labrador mode descriptions of the differences in your intent! Perfect!! And funny 😆
They’re not shipping boots, they’re shoo fly leggings, not meant for working a horse in or riding them in.
Aw :-) she kept saying she was terrible at speaking on the fly but I thought she really did a great job.
I hope that she got a horse that is a better fit for her, and a rider that is a better fit for that horse.
I give her a lot of credit for asking for help and being open to advice. This video has generated some very unkind comments regarding her weight. Most of us could improve our state of health. I wish her luck with her horse and hope they can solve the problems.
Yes she is doing all the right things except the one thing that would help. Lose weight...its not about fat shaming its about being too heavy for a particular horse, which in this case she certainly is.
@@rachelr3113 Right. If she wants to stay that weight, get a bigger, sturdier horse. Its not unkind, it is reality and it would be better for horse and human.
Not unkind at all! Get a grip she needs to lose weight period!
It's a matter of math. If horse & tack adds up to more than 20% of the horse's own body then for most horses it's going to be too much load for safe function. A larger Quarter Horse like this tops out at about 1,200 lbs, which means horse + rider shouldn't be more than 240. I would estimate her closer to 300. The math says she needs a draft/cross or a tall cob breed like an Irish Cob if she's going to stay at this weight. A horse that weighs at least 1500 lbs in good condition. Nobody's saying she can't ride at this weight. Everybody's saying she probably shouldn't ride THIS horse at this weight.
It is also hard for the horse. She can do groundwork. What is the problem?
What I got from this is the horse is needing a job. Seems like he needs to be more actively ridden and given more time in the saddle then just a pokey trail horse. He has potential for something bigger. Some horse do better when they are being worked consistently and perhaps he is not getting that now.
He is a beautiful palameno i think something like barrel racing all some sort of stock work on a farm or something he would go fantastic my Cobb pony was like him then I started barrel racing and he loved it racing around the barrel's he was good at it to
Yes, he's probably bored, all animals like a job, to varying degrees. There would be a more suitable laid back horse for her that just wanted no more than to plod around and be happy doing it.
@@cowgirl.4363 yes this one looks like his full of Life definitely needs a experience rider the best horse I've ever owned was a Welsh Cobb I've found all palameno horses like this one to be very high sprited my cousin had a palameno named Mister Ed he was beautiful but not a horse for a nervous rider but he youse to love doing barrel racing
@@jennyrules2694 “Palomino.”
Kudos to the owner here. I feel ya, hun. My OTTB has scared me a couple times and broken my confidence with her. Working on getting that back is like climbing a cliff with no safety ropes. You got this!
Thanks
I have noticed that rock climbers are very physically fit.
Don't encourage her she's too big for that horse and lacks confidence and SKILL AND EXPERIENCE, additionally she bought a 6 year old!? Too young for her meager abilities, you need to get assistance now for yourself before your horse runs roughshod over you.....I've been a horse woman for 60 years to the day tomorrow, learn from the knowledge of others and get things professional sorted out for you and your horse before one of you is badly injured, I've rode injured race track thoroughbreds that are rehabilitating from injuries for a friend because I weigh 116 pounds and am extremely experienced as a rider, however I'd never ridden a horse right off the track and definitely needed guidance and instruction before I mounted and began, what's your experience with ott horses? What do you plan to use this horse for? How much and what type of groundwork are you doing and how often? Hopefully you do the ground work before you ride, how many race horses have you retrained to become a saddle horse? You be careful, that horse will stomp you into the dirt if you don't know what you're doing and don't do right by this horse😢
@@bethewalt7385I agree this horse and rider are a bad combination. Watching them together made me cringe.
That said, I purchased a 4 year old thoroughbred (OTTB) named Hawaiian Diablo, Bold Ruler lines, very dominant and pushy with me as an amateur rider who didn’t know what I was doing.
I went through hell the first year- bucked off several times, etc. Did the saddle changes (wasted $$$$), went to a few clowns who said they were trainers, went to the natural horsemanship courses and spent more money- finally put my horse into training with a neighboring ranchers training facility. He was a cutting horse trainer. First thing he discovered was my horse (I called him Harley) had a lot of cow in him. We did turnback and then cutting. I began learning how to ride by taking lessons from him and riding for him for 8 to 10 hours a day. I also started working for an equine veterinarian and learned as much as I could from him.
20 years later, I still think that thoroughbred horse was the best thing that ever happened to me. By the time he died, we had done cutting shows together, Buck Brannaman clinics and tons of trail riding adventures. We had done everything I had dreamed about. So sometimes green riders can train a young OTTB to become a saddle horse if they have the heart to hang in there. But there were a lot of times I was told to get rid of him and get an easier horse. I ignored the naysayers. I also did all of that while I was going through RN school. I do think, however that this particular woman is not likely to have the same success with this horse. Her physical condition (obesity) speaks volumes about her inability to overcome large problems in her life and if she can’t overcome her physical problems, she won’t be able to give this horse what he needs and deserves.
Your videos are simply the best! When I know someone is having behavioral issues with their horse I give them your name every time. Thank you for generously sharing your knowledge!
Good for you! So proud that you are sticking to your commitment to this horse. NO ONE learns with an easy horse. You are broadening your horizons😊
This woman and this horse are not right for each other. I hope she gets him vetted (for the gait issues), and if he is sound that she either loses some weight or finds him a more appropriate rider. She seems like a lovely lady, but she is simply too large for that horse as she is right now.
If only she could lift herself upon a Clydesdale.
Broadening her horizons at what cost? She's inexperienced, lacks confidence and just really doesn't yet understand horses from a behavior, horse psychological point of view, this horse knows her fear and I think she's too big/heavy for this horse, I'm not being mean, I'm being observationally factual, a rider such as herself needs an easy, bombproof horse to build her confidence, work on her skill set, her seat her hands, everything, then she can move onto more of a challenge, I've been a horse woman for 60 years this year, tomorrow actually to the day, I've spent decades of summers training bad habits and behaviors out of horses whose owners screwed them up because the horse was too much for them, too young, too hot, too green, whatever because often times the parents bought the wrong horse for their spoiled child, she needs to get down to basics, keep going to lessons, leasing a horse would probably be better and there are bigger horses for bigger riders, percheron/friesan belgian/appaloosa, Clydesdale/ gypsy vanner, plus she bought a 6 year old! Outrageous and ill advised, she's got alot to learn but not at the expense of the WRONG HORSE, poor palomino, pretty horse, wrong owner in my opinion
@@mynamename5172absolutely and Ryan needs to tell her that, I think she weighs more than he does, there are bigger horses for bigger riders, something half draft 17 hands and stout, I'm petite but I love big, tall horses, additionally she needs years of experience and skill building, leasing would be a good option for her, she'll probably go out and buy a 4 year old Arabian after this and wonder what the problem is then😂😂
We in Sweden says it depends on the Shit IN The saddle. Get a old tired horse if you arent experienced.
Dont weigh just The Horses feed. Get in shape together.
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Ty for representing our country, I totally agree w you
I'm a horse shoer and watching this horse go he does not want to pick up that right lead I would check him for a navicular problem on that right front just my opinion
Eh.. that or he needs chiro work on his shoulders especially if he was being ridden in narrower tree than he needed. The only horse I've had with navicular also had a head bob... he didn't seem to have that at least. Granted we also don't know if she's got him shod at all
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Great video! I really like Kelly, she’s refreshingly humble and willing to learn. And thank you Ryan, you’re a great teacher. The way you break down your evaluation and explain your thought process is so helpful.
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As always, spot on!
Can't wait to see this lady grow in her skills! Good luck to her!
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I Agree' She seems like she really wants to solve the problem and be a partner to her horse.
Leading isn't the same as being bossy or controlling. Herd animals like horses naturally look for a leader, someone who calls the shots, and if you don't appoint one... they will. It's not out of malice or anything, it's just the way their social groups are structured, and it makes more sense to adhere to their structures than to expect them to adhere to ours.
Well said
Ryans is SOOO patient and gentle with owners! What remarkable restraint!!
Good gravy, I don’t think I could be so gracious.
Coddling and making excuses (bad saddle?? neoprene vs fleece saddle pad? Really??)
just gave her horse license to problem behavior.
Glad the lady wasn’t seriously hurt, though cracked tailbone is no fun. Ryan may save her life!
In listening to Ryan's advice, and based on what was told of the owner's experiences, my takeaway is that the horse may be more than she needs; that a mellower horse would be suitable for her use. If I were the owner, I'd be looking for more leadership lessons and that different horse, at least for a while. JMHO
I thought so, too.
Beautiful horse and with the right rider/trainer...
@@ole9186 that gal is too heavy for this particular horse.
A draft horse would be good for trails. Drafts are very forgiving. My Belgian did great on trails. Required very little training. Maybe they should try riding without a bit. Seemed to me the horse was fighting it. I would try Bosal.
@@zsigzsag I was thinking yes, a draft horse would be wonderful for her size.
Ryan, you continue to be my favorite trainer to watch. As other posters have said, you use real people AND real horses where they are at. You provide an amazing amount of information without being 'too chatty' and going off topic. Additionallly, I too have a horse that can be spooky. Cannot figure out the whys. But I'm learning more about reading his mood (he's an anxious type). I have been told numerous times that I need to be the leader, but this advice rarely comes with specifics. We're are learning together, thanks in part to your videos....Thank you!
He's swapping his back lead at the canter and not self-correcting quickly. First thing I noticed. If your horse can't canter correctly on a lead rope, they have no chance at all under saddle.
Yes, yes, yes to leadership! Can't agree more with that.
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This has to be one the most gorgeous horses I have ever seen.
Yay! I love the longer videos! Thanks Ryan!
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Thanks for posting this video, as it addresses some issues I am having with a recently acquired mare. She is four years old and flighty, extremely sensitive, and previously owned by an inexperienced person so I have a lot of work to do. The remark you made about commotion in the feet resonated with me, as it seems to correspond with commotion in the brain. Thanks for the tips, it’s been awhile since I have worked with such a tender horse and this video is helpful.
You bet, glad it was helpful
May I ask why he is wearing what looks like shipping boots? I know they protect the legs but look rather loose. He said it is 90 degrees and the horse is sweating so is probably creating heat on his legs. Just an observation.
Their actually fly boots.
Thank you for the clarification.
Ryan I honestly don’t know how you put up with the absolute crap in the comments. I have watched numerous videos of yours and absolutely everyone out there is an expert on training, tack, weight, lameness, chiropractic , dental care ad nauseam. I don’t know why people of such brilliance bother watching since they know everything! I really enjoy your work!
I feel you! The amount of times a horse in Ryan’s videos is distance diagnosed as ‘misaligned‘ and needs a chiropractor is nuts. These quacks and their RUclips videos really brainwashed people. There’s no such thing as misalignment that can be fixed with cracking. It’s complete pseudoscience. And Ryan constantly states that these horses were always first checked by vets and also his wife who is an equine physical therapist before he even starts recording any video. Ugh.
Horses are well aware of who's educated and who is not. Uneducated folks tend to scare horses. Great video !!
I hope you keep working with Ryan! You are a wonderful lady and the horse looks like he’d be a great partner once you learn what he needs. I really hope you can be there for each other. Great team once you get him to a safe place but your safety comes first. Ryan has the experience to help you both. Good luck to you.
He needs her to care about how much weight she is putting on her horse...
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If the horse has a physical problem that is exacerbated by the weight of a rider on his back, he would naturally associate the rider with the pain and try to dislodge that person. I don't know if that's the case here but I guess it's possible.
36:00 my dog all the way crossed the room started lightly woofing when you started talking about telling dogs "no" . I can't tell if she is agreeing or getting offended.
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I love your instruction videos Ryan. I don't have horses anymore but did for about 20 years...really miss them. I loved bush riding, clinics & a bit of local barrel racing. Thanks so much for taking me back to what I've been missing. Just one thing. Could you put a mic on your clients...would love to hear their responses to your advice. "Cheers" Ryan!
I am shocked by the amount of weight americans expect horses to carry. I am below 60 kgs and this would be the size of horse I would ride. I always find it upsetting to see small horses, sometimes even ponies with grown men on them. There must come a point where it either breaks their spirit or destroys their back.
This horse is like 16 hh lol he is not small
That looks like a very nice area of Wisconsin. That countryside is beautiful.
Great video story. Loved this little guy who looks like he’s still learning a bit about taking responsibility for picking up his feet and thinking about collected motion that will keep him balanced. Did it feel that way riding? Just wondered how much his stumbles and sideways movements were playing a part in his confidence? Could his lack of concentration, especially if his owner was perhaps a bit unbalanced or tight herself be one of the things that got him a bit worried? Wishing all good things for this partnership. She seems a lovely lady, with a beautiful horse and a willingness to learn and develop.
It definitely all works together for better or worse.
Horses do a lot of tripping and stumbling when they are actively resisting pressure. Their focus is on protecting their face, resisting against the pressure because they don't know or trust there will be a release, so they aren't paying attention to their feet, and it's also causing their body to move in a way that doesn't lend itself well to good mechanics. So yes, if your horse is tripping, they aren't soft enough to pressure, which in turn means they don't fully see you as a leader, and are therefore typically more spooky and more in the mindset of needing to fend for themselves.
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I trained my arabian stallion from the time he was a 6 year old who had never been successfully haltered. He is very well behaved and rides anywhere tackless. One of the few things he will lose his mind over is steady pressure on his lead. A friend thought it would be helpful if she helped hold him for the farrier because I had injured my upper back. I allowed the unneeded help assuming someone who gave lessons knew what she was doing. She wouldn't give release although I kept telling her to loosen her lead. He naturally misbehaved pretty badly while getting his feet trimmed which is something he would never normally do. I had to stop the farrier for a few minutes while I explained to her that I needed to be able to give him release so I asked her to remove her lead although I didn't want to hurt her feelings. My horse settled right down and quietly cooperated with the farrier.
Arabians are beautiful intelligent horses they learn very Quick my Arabian is so soft in the mouth fantastic to ride
With all due respect, your horse should weigh 3 times more than their rider. This horse appears to be about 16 hands and probably weighs about 1300 lbs, higher end of his breed. She is very large. I am really big on big heavy riders ride draft crosses or drafts. The stockier work horses are more appropriate for her size. Maybe he is hurting
Tripping during loping and trotting could be him having trouble with the weight on his joints, back and his legs.
Yes Anna you are absolutely right. Also her weight makes her unbalanced which contributes to her falling off so many times.
Exactly but, he cant tell her that, but we can !! Lady its time to get healthy !!
I don't think he really cares that shes too heavy for this horse that's why he doesnt bring it up or care that hes agreeing to even post this video. He doesn't care about the harm done to horse by putting way too much weight on him. Its obvious!
Ok, so it is not just me. She is a large woman and can you imagine what that amount of weight on the horse's back is like? Indeed. That horse needs an outlet besides just an occasional excruciating ride.
Agreed. She’s likely 300#, I’d say. If the horse is 1300#, that’s well within tolerances, weight wise (@ 3x the rider). However, a draft/draft cross would be better to carry her at her current weight, for sure. If he does have some problems, her weight will only create/exacerbate pain issues for him every time she rides him, leading to being thrown repeatedly. As a formerly fat person (63# pounds lost), I understand she likely knows very well that she needs to lose weight, and I feel bad saying it…but yes, she should lose the weight for her horse, if not for her own sake.
Did we ever talk about saddle fit and especially saddle fit with someone who is very heavy like the owner? For if the saddle is already a tight fit, then ad the weight of a clearly overweight rider this can cause pain henceforth bucking off the rider. Uncomfortable topic but it should be addressed. No disrespect intended at all.
Just recently found your videos and really appreciate your teaching and training style! I can’t wait to learn more and apply to my horses!
Horse talk……..Human, if you can’t lead me……..I need to take over!
Your approach is logical and kind. Kudos to you for your common sense and showing how patience, understanding and connection are key to partnering with our equine friends.
Thank you for this video! It has so many excellent take always for training and how to work consistently with your horse. Ryan you explain techniques and ideas well with plenty of different examples to help people better understand what you are communicating.
You’re very wise Ryan! That was nice to watch, well done
really great video, would love to see more like this. horses really need to be confident in their riders - there is so much at stake when we ride them. we need to be able to trust their confidence in us. thanks for all the great advice!
Great video lesson. I love this series of you helping people with their problems/problem horses. Wonderful straightforward advice.
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Impressed with how thorough the video was. Thank you!!
I loved watching your video because you are a clear thinker and communicate in an organized and logical way so it's easy to understand what you are saying. Having ridden all my life, I learned something today after watching your video. Thank you!
Nice hands, great seat, enjoyed watching a good horseman!
I love that you don’t need to ask people to subscribe like some of the others do which is every two seconds. I really like your style. You are exceptionally connected to your people’s are connecting with them on a level that non of the here do. For yo not to be in the middle of a ring demonstrating your superior horsemanship. Really really happy to find you in the pipeline. I am subscribed! 🤗🤗🤗🤗
I’m a trainer also international and it’s really hard to see this big as horse with no respect for his owner at all. But you too already know that.
This horse seems like he’s probably having to do the work balancing for both of them. The difference between his mess of a canter on the lunge and with the trainer on was night and day. It’s like Dakota suddenly remembered where his feet were meant to go. Because he could focus on just his body. If she will get more conditioned for riding and be able to maintain her own balance, that will help her horse a ton.
What a wealth of knowledge in this video! Thanks for sharing this with us!!
Excellent video.. seems to be a common recipe for horse/ rider problems. This is a nice horse in the right hands, like staying in training with you!
As he is so stiff to the right do you think pain in his back may be playing a role in his misbehavior?
It is. She is too heavy and he hurts even more.
@@elenasweden9184 It’s we’ll know that people that make negative comments about others’ appearance usually have a very low self esteem themselves. Could it be that you’re overweight or have some other physical trait you’re unhappy about yourself? Rhetorical question, so no need to answer. Just food for thought.
@@albertledesma5173 haha nice try.
@@albertledesma5173 newsflash: thats not a rhetorical question. That's you feeling good when you try to make other people feel bad. You feel good when youre mean. Sad. It doesnt fit me tho. So you lose.
@@albertledesma5173 This lady looks too heavy for this horse. I think she is a really lovely person from what I see here, but ignoring her size relative to her horse makes zero sense. It is part of the problem. Of course the guy making the video won't say it on camera, but he does kindly suggest a different horse for her. I agree with that.
I have been reading all these comments about this woman's weight. So the average healthy low weight for a man 5' 11" is about 180 lbs. The average weight for a quarter horse is around 1000 lbs. Add a leather western saddle 45lb. If you go by the 20% of the horses body weight. No adult male should be riding a quarter horse.
Brilliant! Teach Horse the signal for “No.” Clear boundaries create confidence. Thank you Ryan!
What's your opinion on horses that it seems are bred with a different genre of riding in mind? There's definitely some overlap but that horse doesn't appear that it was bred with the intention of trail riding. That horse is probably bored, around here we'd say he's "too much horse for her". Interested in your opinion on that.
He does look like a lot of horse high sprited beautiful palameno i think he would make a fantastic barrel racing horse in my 30 years of rideing I've never owned a palameno my cousin owned a palameno and same thing with her's she could not handle the horse he was to high sprited for her I rode him a few Times and he would jump at his own shadow
I agree!
He looked like he wanted to bolt!
Oh my.. I really hope there is coming update about this horse :) Would love to see how you "train" owner as well...
I’m really impressed with this video. I like you really listened to the rider, and I love the way you worked with her horse. I learned a lot from this video.
I agree with a comment below. This horse doesn't know how to canter properly, he cross-fires, -he canters in one lead in front and the other lead in back. Horrible habit. I have a horse who had that problem. He didn't know how to canter properly and when I initially got him I didn't know that was his problem. He started to run away at the canter because he was afraid, being unbalanced made him fearful. So I lunged him at the canter and made him stop when he cross-fired and we practiced canter-trot-canter on the lunge line. When I rode him I would just ride him at the canter for a few steps in the beginning and gradually would canter him a little longer, always stopping him when he cross-fired and adjusting him. Gradually he got more confident in cantering properly with the same lead front and back and I could stop lunging him every day and just rode him and cantered him gradually longer and longer. Now he can even do nice cadenced counter canter work.
Seriously I used to think all horses were born knowing how to canter, but some aren't. Wierd..huh? (Mine is half-draft, which sort of explains his issue. He never had to do much cantering in his life... when he was loose, cantering was his "whoo hoo gallop time" and he never paid attention to his feet.) Teach this horse to canter properly and he won't be worried and scared to canter. He doesn't need flag work.... this is silly, you didn't even watch him cross-firing on the lunge line. I have seen other people who I thought were knowledgeable horse people ignoring it too with their horses... watch their effing feet, for heaven's sake!!! Cross-firing makes them unbalanced and uncomfortable. It's horrible to ride on too... like riding a freaking blender. It made me get a new saddle too.... for me, not him! (deep seated dressage saddle tho! - the most secure seated saddle I've ever ridden in - Custom Saddlery saddle) It took my horse about 6 months to get confident at the canter with the specialized work.
I owned a ex pacer and trying to get him from a trot to a Canter was so hard hard to teach him being a ex pacer all he ever wanted to do was trot LoL but my Arabian he would rather canter then trot I used to ride the pacer First then I would jump on the Arabian I must say it's always a adventure
Love the explanations, Ryan! Really great video.
That horse looks stout enough for her to me!
She seems to bring a lot of nervous energy (and after being her horse being so disrespectful to her, no wonder!) I don’t blame her a bit for feeling that way.
This horse also seems to have a lot of pent up energy. Sometimes that doesn’t go away no matter how much ground work or training is put into them. That makes me feel like they’re mismatched.
She bought him at age six at an auction. I wonder if she knew any of his background in training when she bought him. Did she get professional help when she bought him? She obviously is at a beginner level.
I say this with all kindness, I just don’t think they click. Her horse would probably be better off being a ranch or barrel horse and have consistent daily work . It seems she wants a weekly or bi-weekly trail horse. Those are two different jobs.
If she insists on keeping this one, she needs to put him with a trainer for a few months and have an instructor give her weekly lessons on this horse. I also think she needs to do ground work with him before every ride and in between rides. He definitely needs help on that right lead and she probably doesn’t know it or doesn’t know how.
I give her a ton of credit for sticking with this. Most would have given up after the first incident.
I had a farrier/trainer come out to show a horse I had owned for about eight months and it wasn’t goi no well. He looked at me and said “Do you really like this horse because y’all don’t seem to click.” He was right. We didn’t click and I wasn’t good enough to fix his problems. That gelding ended up at a barn where he could be used which matched his need. I got a different horse that matched me so much better. I took my time looking and passed on several horses. I had my trainer help me look for months and we would both test them out. I still take lessons and I put three to four days a week on my horse and try to expose him to different situations, but no way could I have done that without getting years of lessons and professional help.
Thank you for the video. Very enjoyable to watch and very helpful.
At the end you mentioned the reason: rider skills... There the questions are. But horse itself is not balanced under rider at any gate. So, horse needs to be riden more often and the best is if by owner. They both then will get needed skills :)
I appreciate the leadership and guidance that you demonstrated in addressing what seemed to be a lil bit of a hot-spot/soft-spot issue for them to help them
Very good , I enjoyed your picking apart to see exactly what the horses problem areas are 👍
Ryan, another great video! I noticed the horse has a blue right eye early in the video and wondered if that could be a part of the issue of the horse wanting to spook sideways. I know that people with "light" eyes can often suffer from vision problems relating to light, glare, etc. I'm not certain, but I imagine this is probably similar for horses. It was striking to me when you mentioned the horse was more comfortable on it's right side when you did the hind-leg rope pressure test. I thought, "Ah HAH!" lol. Your insight and logical techniques are impressive and great to learn from.
He does look unbalanced in his rear end. He is pretty, but I think he has issues that are going to take the fun out it for. Also, his tail tends to move to the left most of the time. Back issues?
This is so helpful. My horse seems similar to him in personality and that he gets a little nervous on occasion. Thankfully he and I have an awesome relationship as far as leader/follower and I have seen his confidence grow like crazy in the last year that I've been working with him. I'm hoping that once I start riding him he will realize that he can trust me as a leader there too
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@@ryanrosehorsemanship one question for you, do you have a good place to purchase a flag? I've been trying to find one for a few years but all the ones I come across seem very flimsy.
Great video!!! I personally like these long videos with you working with a horse and it’s owners.
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Good for you Kelly, Dakota and Ryan-nice video and kudos to Kelly for hanging in there and requesting guidance!
We could be looking at a "heavy load" situation here with the owner on this horse. The horse looks very hefty, but the owner looks even heftier. This can be an issue sometimes.
I agree. Between her weight and the tack, I'll bet it is over the 20% rule. Personally, at my present weight, I love horses too much to ride. Of course, it would be a bit awkward for Ryan to point this out to the owner
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@@user-qt2xc7bu9lif he truly loves these horses he needs to get honest with these people in denial.
My thoughts exactly, maybe Ryan knew as well too but didn't want to say anything. I think though maybe he tried to get Kelley to say it by saying what he did but she wouldn't. The horse was maybe trying to tell Kelley to get off you're hurting me, I may be wrong.
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Yep we all know what having a bad leader can end up with. Even horses know
Great video and love the idea to help Kelly get her confidence back by riding a steady Eddie
I LOVE that you talk about training the horse for the person. I need mine to canter off easily and roll back etc etc but some of my clients don’t need one reactive like that. Thank you! That has been my philosophy and I’ve seen so many trainers train the horse on their level instead of working with the horse appropriately for his/her rider. ❤️🙏🏼
She DID call a saddle fitter before calling him. He glossed over that.
I'm glad you were successful with this horse. Question - he has a disjointed canter (opposite leads front and back) on the ground with no saddle and no pressure. She also says he has started bucking on the ground. Wouldn't you have him checked by a Chiropractor even before the saddle fitter?
Great video! Also that horses eye is beautiful!
Just found your channel and am really enjoying your video's. I have owned a Tennessee Walker for 20 yrs and I have always believed that there is only one boss in our relationship and that boss is me!!
Great example of leadership with Dakota. The little things getting chiseled away at definitely helped in this session. Loved watching this session.
How did you comment 3 months ago on a video that was posted just 30 minutes ago?
@@mrtech2259 either this video was re released or he had it on his PATRON CHANNEL 1ST,,,then put it out on his reg channel
@@conniepitts8392 thanks man
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Great session,
Its eerie how similar this horse and rider duo are to a client of mine from 2019. I would try to discuss the weight issue, advocate for the horse, it's not personal. We want to make sure that the rider's weight is not going to be harmful for the horse's short & long-term health but rather, be beneficial. The horse doesn't seem bucky here - but maybe it comes later. I did notice he seemed to counter canter a lot in the tighter circles, I think they quickly realize counter-cantering helps them comfortably counter a heavier riders weight in circles/corners, and end up building muscle-memory to support it. He looked focused and engaged under saddle, especially once you got his barrel up and hind legs pushing.
Anyway, great video & I agree with so much of what you said in here.
Awesome Ryan, cool and Collective and to-the-point
I broke my tailbone falling from my horse too. We were riding through a field, and he scooted to the side because a rabbit startled him, and down I went. That was my transition year into high school, and I had to carry around an inflatable donut to sit on the whole freshman year as a 14 year old. I'm 60 now, and I still have problems if I sit too long or on a hard chair.
Beautiful horse ....
Absolutely gorgeous....
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Looks arent everything.
@@ryanrosehorsemanship does she want to sell him? She shouldn't be riding him at her weight...
A particular valuable video, exposing the concept of intention through very subtle body language. Also the use of the flag on the ground c high up.
I LOVE what you were saying about border collie vs lab, and your intention